We tend to think that beam routines "back then" were so much better because there are so many wobbles nowadays. But by watching your videos I wonder if this has to do with the immense pressure gymnasts have today. I mean, a beam routine in the 80's could get a 10 with cowboyed legs, flexed knees in acro series, and small wobbles/adjustments; but now THEY HAVE TO BE PERFECT, the code is relentless and they know that.
They don't have to be perfect, they just have to minimize deductions. Beam in this COP is more demanding than any COP in the past. Beam under the COP demands continue and fluid movements. So many routines in the past could absolutely killed by pause and adjustment deductions nowadays. Many dance elements would've been downgraded. Also, wobble is better than badly executed dance element (see Sara Yamaguchi's beam at worlds).
I've been waiting for this video! Thank you! You're doing the work the FIG should be doing themselves, transparency when it comes to scoring! I didn't think Jess was overscored either, so if the FIG produced more content like this there'd be less controversy.
Flip Fly Tumble is what's keeping the gymternet sanity through this and last quad lol. If only the FIG would post scoring breakdowns of at least the most relevant routines, maybe more people wouldn't have a problem with the scoring. It's obvious artistry deductions have been applied more heavily this quad compare to the last, even Donatella acknowledged it, so the confusion by the public is very understandable.
I would love to see a floor breakdown. I think what is causing the issues there (with floor) is a misunderstanding about what is now graded as the highest level dance. It's so much higher than before. It is embodiment, flow, nuanced and subtle and almost professional dance technicality alongside perfectly modern expressive choreography. Because so many people don't have a necessary depth of understanding, and experience, to know what is brilliantly communicated contemporary dance they are not able to distinguish between average and near perfect performances and this is causing so many issues. Lots of youngsters are looking at the final floor mark and screaming 'unfair' and 'biased' because of this reason and it might help everyone to sort it out. If you look at the criteria it's pretty obvious. Thanks again!
Clear explanation from judge, especially artistry and the deductions on dance elements which people often ignore. I thought Jessica's beam score was a bit higher, even though I think her floor score is right. Thank you for the video which helps me understand her score on beam!
This judge is a brilliant video editor and communicator, but she has not applied the same standard of judging that she did in the video she recently made evaluating Sun Xinyi. After watching the Sun Xinyi video it’s clear Jessica should also be getting a precision deduction on the switch 1/2 too. Between everything else she already gave Jessica it should really be a 0.5 deduction rather than 0.3. She also gave Sun Xinyi a bent knees deduction on her front aerial when Jessica’s aerial is no better and in fact worse (-0.1). We have already discussed how we disagree on the deductions on the Korbut (-0.2), the wolf turn prep (-0.1), and the releve (-0.1), but there is also the dismount. Jessica was only deducted in this video -0.3 for one large step when in fact her front moves as well. That should also be getting a -0.1 under a strict caller. That’s between 0.3-0.8 in additional deductions which would have been applied if the strictness of the Sun Xinyi routine was applied here.
@@Plaspos Sun's "split 1/2" is obviously deviated from horizontal, whereas Jessica's switch half is along the beam direction. Jessica's front aerial is better because her second leg doesn't look bent in real time when being perpendicular to the beam. I just don't see how Korbut is deduction trap like some suggested, unless you suggest Korbut should be treated like we need to deduct RO / FHS / BHS for "lack of amplitude", as Korbut belongs to the same element class with RO / FHS / BHS (and then no one would do Korbut). I think the judge has clearly stated the preparation issue of the wolf turn. Releve issue has been addressed. The problem of the dismount is the major step back which is all covered in the 0.3 deduction. Overall, Jessica's score is accurate based on this video analysis, even though I thought her beam score was a bit too high before this video.
@@cocoroni1031 are you really trying to say that Jessica is parallel to the beam on the switch half? Look at her upper body and it will be obvious she is not facing the end of the beam, in addition to the lower body. Sun's split 1/2 is probably 25-30 degrees off center whereas Jessica's is 15-20, both should definitely get a deduction. How is Sun's front aerial visible in real time? Jessica's Korbut bent knees are much more visible and apparently those are not enough to count. Speaking of Korbut, it is in the same class of elements as BHS and RO. but unlike those it is explicitly supposed to have a "high flight" phase per the code which is where the amplitude deduction comes in. As for the bent knees, again - much worse than Sun;s front aerial, and both legs rather than just one for Sun (not that that's a greater deduction but should be extra obvious). The fact that elements have deductions does not mean people stop performing them (see Eaker, Kara). And it's not like no one can do Korbuts without any deductions (again see Eaker, Kara and many other gymnasts). Jessica's Korbut is just unfortunately below average. The Releve issue has not been addressed. if you search "FIG cop" and look at the first result for the page flipflytumble was talking about (section 12 page 4), you will see the language is what I quoted: "poor work in releve" rather than "lack of releve." it says at the top of this document it was approved by the FIG executive committee, so does that mean it's the final version? It's unclear since they don't number their versions. the major step back is covered, yes, but are you saying there is no minor step back? or that the movement of the front leg is not a deduction? my point is overall this is a generous judging compared to SXY. I don't expect flipflytumble to publish a result very different from anything the FIG gives out since she needs to maintain her judge status and naturally doesn't want to cause controversy.
@@leykimayri who brought in racism? FIG hates China but they love Japan. makes sense when you look at their former president. nothing about racism, just favored vs. unfavored nations and gymnasts.
I have something to say, and this is not from a place of hate or anything of that sort. However, I just got my Judges license for Team Gym gymnastics this year and it is quite impossible to see every little deduction. Even the most experienced judges cant see everything. In my opinion, videos like these are a little misleading to the general gymnastics enjoyer mainly because OVERSCORED was in the thumbnail and not everyone can reads the description. I completely agree, she did not get overscored because the judges simply can't see everything. Just so you know, i really enjoyed this video and loveeeeeee your editing skills. keep up the great work!
The problem is the standard of judging. In the other videos this channel makes such as Sun Xinyi or Nastia Liukin’s beam routines, she is giving deductions for knee bend and jump position issues that are much less visible in real time than Jessica’s errors on the switch 1/2 and Korbut here, among other skills. If that strict standard was applied to Jessica (as it was applied to Shilese and Rebeca among others) this would not be the top E-score of the competition.
Thank you for doing this Emily! I hope all of those who have been saying awful things in public about her scoring will now apologise, but sadly, I won't hold my breath...
@@bgreen5234 For name calling and bullying, but obviously online mobs 100% won't apologize. There's a distinct difference between (1) disagreement of her score from judges and (2) hating, name calling and bullying her.
The people saying awful things about her should have apologized from day 1. However the people who disagree with her score do not need to apologize just because a *BREVET* judge puts out a video about it.
@@cocoroni1031 sweetheart, you know full well that was not the context of my response, nice pivot attempt tho. The majority of fans was calling out her score and her score alone. No sane person would attack her, just the score of a subjective sport.
Great video as always!!! I got a 7.9 E For me her score was fair. Being very strict, I’d just swap E scores between her and Shilese, with shi deserving a bit higher E score than her.
I love your work, so clear and professional! Could we have your take on a dilemma? Carey vs Ferrari Olympics FX final 2021. I was surprised Carey got the gold, as it contained impressive tumbling but not much else…thank you!
Thank you. Thank you! I too would love to see a floor breakdown. I think what is causing the issues there (with floor) is a misunderstanding about what is now graded as the highest level dance. It's so much higher than before. It is embodiment, flow, nuanced and subtle and almost professional dance technicality alongside perfectly modern expressive choreography. Because so many people don't have a necessary depth of understanding, and experience, to know what is brilliantly communicated contemporary dance they are not able to distinguish between average and near perfect performances and this is causing so many issues. Lots of youngsters are looking at the final floor mark and screaming 'unfair' and 'biased' because of this reason and it might help everyone to sort it out. If you look at the criteria it's pretty obvious. What do you think?
Dance and dance elements are surely overlooked by many. Each person can have their own breakdown, but it would be helpful from REAL judge's breakdown because that matters the most.
I disagree strongly, there is just no way anything Jessica is doing would pass for professional or near professional. As I said in another comment, Jade is one of the best tumblers in the world and does tumbling on the artistic floor more difficult than even Jia Fangfang, 10x world tumbling champ, was capable of. And sure Jade is a poor dancer with no e of the technicality and choreography of Gadirova. So Jade gets an A+ in tumbling and an F in artistry. Meanwhile Gadirova is a strong tumbler albeit with technique and form issues compared to Jade at her best as well as a difficulty deficit so well give her an A-. But Gadirova’s dance is frankly a joke compared to previous artistic titans (Oksana Omelianchik), a rhythmic gymnast like Kudratyseva, or any actual professional dancer not to mention the best in the world (ex. Natalia Osipova). She gets a C+ in dance. The Olympics is about being the best of the best, not just very very good. They should be rewarding someone with an A+ in tumbling even with an F in artistry, not an A- and a C+
@@tambam6744 Her answer is better than anyone here lol. At least she knows the cop well, has training under the code, and has experience to execute the code in real time, unlike some online mobs.
There’s never going to be a fully correct answer because gymnastics if judged in real time by human beings. Also there is an element of subjectivity. But this video shows that the judging of Jessica’s beam was reasonable and fair, which is all we can ask for.
Great editing and analysis, top notch content! I personally would've added 0.1-0.2 more in deductions for a couple of long pauses/hesitation in between elements but your assessment is very fair
If you're listing that many things on the Switch 1/2, it should be more than .3 deduction. I agree with others who say the Korbut needs a deduction, there are several things if you're being strict - bent leg, adjustment, wasn't a fast connection. The straddle jump also doesn't have both legs above horizontal to me. Wolf turn deductions here should really be swapped, that was a big balance check, and her foot was not flexed.
There was no momentary pause nor excessive arm swing which breaks the rhythm from switch half to Korbut. Also, there wasn't a bent leg / adjustment on her Korbut. Her straddle jump was clearly above 180 from another angle. A 0.3 balance on wolf turn means some weird move on her arms or body to balance. In this case, she didn't.
I could see a time in the near future where AI takes over the determination of most of the execution score, with a human judge's eye relegated to evaluations of artistry and choreography exclusively. And if that happens, it will make scores much more fair and objective.
Love this breakdown. But at 1:40 I can't believe anyone would be deducting .2 because a gymnast's knees are a little bent while beginning a back handspring. They're jumping. You can expect knees to be straight in the middle - - - but while entering a back handspring? Are judges really deducting for that?
Actually she was pretty generous on the bent knees deductions in this video. In her other videos such as for Sun Xinyi or Nastia Liukin she gave bent knees deductions to front aerials with much less obvious knee bend than Jessica’s Korbut (which got off deduction-free in this video).
1. Clearly not excessive preparation. She's doing choreography with releve work right before dismount, as clearly mentioned in the video. 2. No issue with body posture before dismount. Only flexed feet and bent knees which have been deducted already. 3. Squat? Clearly this is not a squat position. She has too many power which leads to the big step, nothing else. 4. Yes, balance check on the wolf turn is 0.1, not a medium wobble. Her arms don't weirdly move like others with medium wobble.
@@liukin95 they're not random, we know from the judges webinar that the preparation deductions are being hammered this quad as is posture in general. they actually put out a disgusting webinar where a bunch of thin gymnasts with long legs and necks and prepubescent waists were shown as "correct posture" and a bunch of muscular gymnasts with shorter limbs were given all sorts of body deductions. Gadirova usually falls into the first category and although I wouldn't have deducted for the posture in this case it's a fair question. the only deduction they're pulling. out of thin air is the squat on landing since it was clearly overrotated rather than underrotated. The other ones are plausible although I think overly strict.
it does not to be held for 2s. just a “marked” position. I chose not to take excessive prep because it was only a slight arm movement, not a body movement so not “excessive” imo but it does cut it close..
There is nothing written in the code about holding position. Instead of repeating stupidities that other write it would be better to spend that time actually reading the code
My analysis: 1) Candle mount -No deduction- 2) Switch leap + Switch 1/2 + Korbut - .1 lack of balance - .1 slow connection - .5 body shape/position - .1 slow connection - .1 bent knees 3) Double Wolf turn - .1 excessive preparation - .3 body shape/position - .1 balance 4) Front Aerial + Split Jump + Straddled Jump - .1 flexed foot - .1 slow connection - .1 body shape/position 5) BHS + LOSO - .1 bent knees - .1 bent arms - .1 bents knees 6) Side Aerial - .1 flexed feet 7) Double Pike DMT - .1 bent knees - .1 flexed feet - .3 big hop back *Artistry Deductions* - .1 insufficient amplitude (maximum elongation of the movements * Not enough stretch and range of movements in the choreography, especially the legs - .1 insufficient variation in rhythm & tempo in movements * Same quick, choppy movements throughout routine except when approaching dismount (supposedly to catch a breath) Execution Score: 7.2 (!!!) P.S. I was even being a little lenient.
Some Nina haters can also "score" her Olympics qual floor to mid 7. Unless you have the qualification to judge, your scoring is irrelevant compared to one who has trained to judge.
@@cocoroni1031 judges' scoring is irrelevant when they give Eaker a 15.266 at Pan Ams and then a 13.466 at Worlds two months later. How can they expect us to take their scoring seriously when that happens? It's one thing to question Gadirova's floor scores - after all her execution was fairly in line with what she received previously (albeit without stuck landings this time) and her difficulty was much higher. This beam routine was the highest execution score of the whole final and I believe Jessica's highest ever, again with a fairly poor landing albeit good connections throughout. It's definitely eyebrow-raising
@@cocoroni1031 So judges are the almighty, infallible scores on gymnastics routines??? As @Matan alludes to above, they are NOT perfect and can and ARE quite inconsistent in their scoring. A HUGE portion of the gymnternet thought Jessinflation Gadirovascored was given unfairly high marks. You can’t tell me this was THE CLEANEST routine *of the top group* in the AA final. We may not be judges, but we aren’t blind either.
@@KT-mj9kf This routine was not executed the same as other routines of hers that have scored well internationally. Do you have eyes? Or you just blindly accept the opinion of a “qualified person”?
After watching the Sun Xinyi video it’s clear Jessica should also be getting a precision deduction on the switch 1/2 too. Between everything else you already gave her it should really be a 0.5 deduction. You also gave Sun Xinyi a bent knees deduction on her front aerial when Jessica’s aerial is no better. Then 0.2 on the Korbut (amplitude and bent knees, not deducting for bent arms or poor landing because those are harder to see in real time). A strict caller would also call a pause deduction before the wolf turn, a releve deduction for ankle angle, and a deduction for first a small hop on dismount then a larger step instead of just the larger step, considering her front foot is not remaining in place. All in all that’s an extra 0.4-0.8 deductions that a Chinese gymnast performing this exercise probably would have gotten considering how they are explicitly not favored by FIG leaders in past comments.
Imma need a breakdown on her and rebe FX cause a 14.4 should’ve been 13.9 to 14.1 it’s the fact that there better performances didn’t even reach that high
No break of rhythm in Korbut. This is a smooth transition from switch half to kobut. Even in the video with slower speed, flexed feet in the front aerial is not at the regime for deduction. Flexed feet on side aerial however can be spot by human eye with training.
@@cocoroni1031 you would had better argument if you had went with the “she had more Artistry” angle. Those leaps and jumps left a lot to be desired and doesn’t make up for those landings.
@@bgreen5234 It does give her an edge (+0.5) relative to the medal podium winners like Jordan. Jordan's switch side 1/2 and attempted split 3 / 2 are at least 0.3 deduction each. Jessica's leaps and jumps don't have above 0.2 deduction for each. Her switch ring is only -0.1 and no deduction for Popa jump.
@@cocoroni1031 friend, you were speaking as if Jessica’s dance elements were in a class of their own. You admitted her dance elements are not textbook literally proving my point. Then you add those landings, let’s not kid ourselves and say that score didn’t raise eyebrows. Twitter was on fire across the globe.
@@bgreen5234 It's a comparison to the podium winners. Other podium winners made mistakes that incur some 0.3 deductions on the dance elements, while Jessica did not. So Jessica did stand out on the component of dance elements in the competition, not to mention her artistry. Again, COP matters way more than any opinion from online platform.
I now understand why no one cares if their knees are bent during layouts. Ony a tenth for that bent knee which was practically bent like she was sitting in a chair? The code is a joke. Can you do Jade Carey because she had a better execution score than Ou Yushan (7.733 to 7.700) If you somehow come up with Jade having a better execution score than Ou and the same as Skye, (who I know made mistakes but still does things overall, better) then this sport should be disbanded.
Acro elements are always not deduction heavy on beam than dance elements. They are just more risky to perform on beam. Jade surely didn't have better execution. Her dance elements were deducted heavily!
This seems disingenuous on the ignorance of the poorly performed Korbut as well as the discussion of releve work. We both know that releve is not required, but if it IS performed it must be done well. You make it seem like she gets a check box for doing releve at all which is not true. In fact the fact she attempts releve but does it poorly (weak ankle angle compared to Chinese gymnasts) should be a deduction rather than a check mark. Whereas someone who does no releve at all would not get a deduction. The “code-savvy” approach is to never attempt releve
Her releve is good enough not to be deducted. The box is for whether the releve is good enough, not excellency. Since she did releve with choreography (not just small arm wave to buy time) right before the dismount, that didn't qualify for a pause deduction like some wanted lol.
I see! Since you agree with this judge can I hear your thoughts on the Korbut flip? I would give -0.1 for bent knees and -0.1 for amplitude but what are your thoughts?
What I’ve seen from the judges webinar that Pamchenkova posted is that releve judging is about the angle of the foot and the duration of the hold not about what choreo occurs during it. Do you have any resources indicating it is about the choreo? I don’t think her foot clears a 45 degree angle much less 60 degrees
@@FlipFlyTumble maybe I am looking at an earlier version of the 22-24 code but what I see on section 12 page 4 is "insufficient artistry of performance throughout the exercise --> poor foot work --> poor work in releve" rather than "lack of work in releve." I assume you have a more updated version of the code though so I will take your word for it. Thanks for the correction.
No offense to you, this is informative content but I find FIG’s artistry requirements for beam extremely outdated. Next they’re going to make female gymnasts dance on the runway before they vault. There is no reason gymnasts should be dancing on the beam in between elements. It adds nothing to the routine, it doesn’t improve the flow in my opinion, even in this case when she has obviously more intricate choreo. The vast majority of gymnasts just swing their arms and legs expressionless and it’s not their fault, it’s because there is no time and no room for some happy dancing when they’re trying their best to execute their moves. I find it also hypocritical and misogynistic from FIG that they’re making female gymnasts do this when male gymnasts have ZERO choreography requirements, further solidifying gender stereotypes in the sport. But hey, people are gonna reply with “iT’s a DiFfErEnt sPort” again so what do I know.
It is very much a different sport, MAG came from ancient warrior skills, WAG evolved from dance. Without dance, women’s floor would just be an inferior version of men’s floor. It’s not misogynistic. Plus men and women have different bodies, I’m glad there is a sport that recognises that. In everything else, women compete the same as men, but inferior. It’s refreshing that gymnastics does not pretend physical differences between men and women don’t exist. Balance beam is one of only two sports on the world were women are naturally better than men. Meanwhile, MAG is perfectly suited to showcasing men’s strength. I’m glad it remains different sports. I agree that I don’t like this era’s dance requirements on beam, it ironically compromises natural artistry. There is a limit to what choreography can be performed on a four inch beam, and forcing it is having the opposite effect. It mostly looks stupid. A clean, simple and graceful routine will always be more artistic than endless redundant arm flailing.
Her answer is way way more knowledgeable than many random online name-calling mobs. At least she didn't deduct for something not in the code of point like "Koburt landing", or earlier, "shape deduction on double double".
Let's forget all d editing,we know d Truth,no body can fool us, this has been in gymnastics for long, u do video to cover dis right, so don't tell me she has more artistry than urazova ? Because she is no where close to urazova,yet fig did not reward urazova artistry over d American, no body can fool us.
Your editing skills are top notch. Best gymnastics analysis channel on the internet!
thank you it means a lot!!
We tend to think that beam routines "back then" were so much better because there are so many wobbles nowadays. But by watching your videos I wonder if this has to do with the immense pressure gymnasts have today. I mean, a beam routine in the 80's could get a 10 with cowboyed legs, flexed knees in acro series, and small wobbles/adjustments; but now THEY HAVE TO BE PERFECT, the code is relentless and they know that.
They don't have to be perfect, they just have to minimize deductions. Beam in this COP is more demanding than any COP in the past. Beam under the COP demands continue and fluid movements. So many routines in the past could absolutely killed by pause and adjustment deductions nowadays. Many dance elements would've been downgraded. Also, wobble is better than badly executed dance element (see Sara Yamaguchi's beam at worlds).
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Could you do a Jade Carey beam or floor one
OH my gosh this artistry breakdown is amazing! Thank you so much!
I've been waiting for this video! Thank you! You're doing the work the FIG should be doing themselves, transparency when it comes to scoring! I didn't think Jess was overscored either, so if the FIG produced more content like this there'd be less controversy.
Flip Fly Tumble is what's keeping the gymternet sanity through this and last quad lol. If only the FIG would post scoring breakdowns of at least the most relevant routines, maybe more people wouldn't have a problem with the scoring. It's obvious artistry deductions have been applied more heavily this quad compare to the last, even Donatella acknowledged it, so the confusion by the public is very understandable.
I thought her beam score was a bit higher before this video. I reconsider it after seeing her insightful video analysis.
@Victoria Coria it's a woman. She's made history by becoming the youngest Brevet judge in history and her online content is so great!!
@@carlosvalentin9670 Artistry deductions don’t give you the highest execution score with a crap routine like the one of Gadirovascored.
I would love to see a floor breakdown. I think what is causing the issues there (with floor) is a misunderstanding about what is now graded as the highest level dance. It's so much higher than before. It is embodiment, flow, nuanced and subtle and almost professional dance technicality alongside perfectly modern expressive choreography. Because so many people don't have a necessary depth of understanding, and experience, to know what is brilliantly communicated contemporary dance they are not able to distinguish between average and near perfect performances and this is causing so many issues. Lots of youngsters are looking at the final floor mark and screaming 'unfair' and 'biased' because of this reason and it might help everyone to sort it out. If you look at the criteria it's pretty obvious. Thanks again!
This is so clear and helpful, thank you for this!!
Amazing!!! Thank you so much!! Would love to see artistry deductions on a beam routine from Jade Carey.
yes I'd be very interested too and @flipflytumble did a great jo with the artistry deductions here
Me too and Jade floor
Your videos just keep getting better, thank you!
Could you do one of her floor routine from the floor final? Vs Jordan and Jade?
Oooooo yes please, i hope they see this comment
UP! PLEASE DO! Her score was way too OVERSCORED UGHHHHHHHH
@@daniela.7631 that's why she wont do lol
@@daniela.7631 she wont do for either aa final or fx final
That’s what I thought. Is she also British? The owner of the video? They’re the only ones who think she deserved the gold medal. 😳
I loved all of your previous analyses... and here you are, creating an even more detailed and yet comprehensive video. Thank you! 👏😍
This is top quality content. Thank you
Clear explanation from judge, especially artistry and the deductions on dance elements which people often ignore. I thought Jessica's beam score was a bit higher, even though I think her floor score is right. Thank you for the video which helps me understand her score on beam!
This judge is a brilliant video editor and communicator, but she has not applied the same standard of judging that she did in the video she recently made evaluating Sun Xinyi.
After watching the Sun Xinyi video it’s clear Jessica should also be getting a precision deduction on the switch 1/2 too. Between everything else she already gave Jessica it should really be a 0.5 deduction rather than 0.3.
She also gave Sun Xinyi a bent knees deduction on her front aerial when Jessica’s aerial is no better and in fact worse (-0.1).
We have already discussed how we disagree on the deductions on the Korbut (-0.2), the wolf turn prep (-0.1), and the releve (-0.1), but there is also the dismount. Jessica was only deducted in this video -0.3 for one large step when in fact her front moves as well. That should also be getting a -0.1 under a strict caller.
That’s between 0.3-0.8 in additional deductions which would have been applied if the strictness of the Sun Xinyi routine was applied here.
@@Plaspos Sun's "split 1/2" is obviously deviated from horizontal, whereas Jessica's switch half is along the beam direction. Jessica's front aerial is better because her second leg doesn't look bent in real time when being perpendicular to the beam. I just don't see how Korbut is deduction trap like some suggested, unless you suggest Korbut should be treated like we need to deduct RO / FHS / BHS for "lack of amplitude", as Korbut belongs to the same element class with RO / FHS / BHS (and then no one would do Korbut). I think the judge has clearly stated the preparation issue of the wolf turn. Releve issue has been addressed. The problem of the dismount is the major step back which is all covered in the 0.3 deduction. Overall, Jessica's score is accurate based on this video analysis, even though I thought her beam score was a bit too high before this video.
@@cocoroni1031 are you really trying to say that Jessica is parallel to the beam on the switch half? Look at her upper body and it will be obvious she is not facing the end of the beam, in addition to the lower body. Sun's split 1/2 is probably 25-30 degrees off center whereas Jessica's is 15-20, both should definitely get a deduction.
How is Sun's front aerial visible in real time? Jessica's Korbut bent knees are much more visible and apparently those are not enough to count.
Speaking of Korbut, it is in the same class of elements as BHS and RO. but unlike those it is explicitly supposed to have a "high flight" phase per the code which is where the amplitude deduction comes in. As for the bent knees, again - much worse than Sun;s front aerial, and both legs rather than just one for Sun (not that that's a greater deduction but should be extra obvious).
The fact that elements have deductions does not mean people stop performing them (see Eaker, Kara). And it's not like no one can do Korbuts without any deductions (again see Eaker, Kara and many other gymnasts). Jessica's Korbut is just unfortunately below average.
The Releve issue has not been addressed. if you search "FIG cop" and look at the first result for the page flipflytumble was talking about (section 12 page 4), you will see the language is what I quoted: "poor work in releve" rather than "lack of releve." it says at the top of this document it was approved by the FIG executive committee, so does that mean it's the final version? It's unclear since they don't number their versions.
the major step back is covered, yes, but are you saying there is no minor step back? or that the movement of the front leg is not a deduction?
my point is overall this is a generous judging compared to SXY.
I don't expect flipflytumble to publish a result very different from anything the FIG gives out since she needs to maintain her judge status and naturally doesn't want to cause controversy.
@@Plaspos Oh, is that another case of someone being racist? 😂 Let me remind you that this girl has Azerbaijani origins, 😝
@@leykimayri who brought in racism? FIG hates China but they love Japan. makes sense when you look at their former president. nothing about racism, just favored vs. unfavored nations and gymnasts.
congrats! U deserve at least 100k subs just for the content
thanks for watching!
I like to see the judging score breakdown. Thank you so much!
The breakdown is excellent and I love how well explained everything is. You did an amazing job!!
Thank you so much!
This is the best E Analysis I’ve seen! 👏🏼👏🏼
I've started following WAG after a bit of a break and it's videos like these that are so useful
Great work. All those who demonised this wonderful gymnast should watch this.
You're British. Shhh!
@@daniela.7631 lol... Im on the other side of the world.
@@bluejhaygrl me too. love her!
This is so clear and helpful. Excellent job!
I have something to say, and this is not from a place of hate or anything of that sort. However, I just got my Judges license for Team Gym gymnastics this year and it is quite impossible to see every little deduction. Even the most experienced judges cant see everything. In my opinion, videos like these are a little misleading to the general gymnastics enjoyer mainly because OVERSCORED was in the thumbnail and not everyone can reads the description. I completely agree, she did not get overscored because the judges simply can't see everything. Just so you know, i really enjoyed this video and loveeeeeee your editing skills. keep up the great work!
The problem is the standard of judging. In the other videos this channel makes such as Sun Xinyi or Nastia Liukin’s beam routines, she is giving deductions for knee bend and jump position issues that are much less visible in real time than Jessica’s errors on the switch 1/2 and Korbut here, among other skills. If that strict standard was applied to Jessica (as it was applied to Shilese and Rebeca among others) this would not be the top E-score of the competition.
Love the analysis and how the music seemed to sync with the arm movement for a second
Thank you so much for this!
Thank you for doing this Emily! I hope all of those who have been saying awful things in public about her scoring will now apologise, but sadly, I won't hold my breath...
They would never apologize, and continue to blame others for their lack of knowledge.
@@cocoroni1031 apologize for what love? Isn’t this sport subjective, nothing is ever set in stone.
@@bgreen5234 For name calling and bullying, but obviously online mobs 100% won't apologize. There's a distinct difference between (1) disagreement of her score from judges and (2) hating, name calling and bullying her.
The people saying awful things about her should have apologized from day 1. However the people who disagree with her score do not need to apologize just because a *BREVET* judge puts out a video about it.
@@cocoroni1031 sweetheart, you know full well that was not the context of my response, nice pivot attempt tho. The majority of fans was calling out her score and her score alone. No sane person would attack her, just the score of a subjective sport.
Great video as always!!!
I got a 7.9 E
For me her score was fair.
Being very strict, I’d just swap E scores between her and Shilese, with shi deserving a bit higher E score than her.
I love your work, so clear and professional! Could we have your take on a dilemma? Carey vs Ferrari Olympics FX final 2021. I was surprised Carey got the gold, as it contained impressive tumbling but not much else…thank you!
Fascinating video, thanks
Could you also do this for Kyla Ross' 2013 worlds beam event final routine? Would be really interesting to see the deductions with the new code!!
Thank you. Thank you! I too would love to see a floor breakdown. I think what is causing the issues there (with floor) is a misunderstanding about what is now graded as the highest level dance. It's so much higher than before. It is embodiment, flow, nuanced and subtle and almost professional dance technicality alongside perfectly modern expressive choreography. Because so many people don't have a necessary depth of understanding, and experience, to know what is brilliantly communicated contemporary dance they are not able to distinguish between average and near perfect performances and this is causing so many issues. Lots of youngsters are looking at the final floor mark and screaming 'unfair' and 'biased' because of this reason and it might help everyone to sort it out. If you look at the criteria it's pretty obvious. What do you think?
Dance and dance elements are surely overlooked by many. Each person can have their own breakdown, but it would be helpful from REAL judge's breakdown because that matters the most.
I disagree strongly, there is just no way anything Jessica is doing would pass for professional or near professional. As I said in another comment, Jade is one of the best tumblers in the world and does tumbling on the artistic floor more difficult than even Jia Fangfang, 10x world tumbling champ, was capable of. And sure Jade is a poor dancer with no e of the technicality and choreography of Gadirova. So Jade gets an A+ in tumbling and an F in artistry. Meanwhile Gadirova is a strong tumbler albeit with technique and form issues compared to Jade at her best as well as a difficulty deficit so well give her an A-. But Gadirova’s dance is frankly a joke compared to previous artistic titans (Oksana Omelianchik), a rhythmic gymnast like Kudratyseva, or any actual professional dancer not to mention the best in the world (ex. Natalia Osipova). She gets a C+ in dance.
The Olympics is about being the best of the best, not just very very good. They should be rewarding someone with an A+ in tumbling even with an F in artistry, not an A- and a C+
Floor final, please!!
Can you do Shilese jones in the AA final?
So no, she wasn’t over scored! So good to show everyone how things are actually scored, rather than judge without experience or expertise.
She just said to her analysis wasn’t a “correct answer”, yet here you are using the argument from authority logical fallacy.
@@tambam6744 Oh, the ignorant troll is back!
@@tambam6744 Her answer is better than anyone here lol. At least she knows the cop well, has training under the code, and has experience to execute the code in real time, unlike some online mobs.
There’s never going to be a fully correct answer because gymnastics if judged in real time by human beings. Also there is an element of subjectivity. But this video shows that the judging of Jessica’s beam was reasonable and fair, which is all we can ask for.
Great editing and analysis, top notch content! I personally would've added 0.1-0.2 more in deductions for a couple of long pauses/hesitation in between elements but your assessment is very fair
If you're listing that many things on the Switch 1/2, it should be more than .3 deduction. I agree with others who say the Korbut needs a deduction, there are several things if you're being strict - bent leg, adjustment, wasn't a fast connection. The straddle jump also doesn't have both legs above horizontal to me. Wolf turn deductions here should really be swapped, that was a big balance check, and her foot was not flexed.
There was no momentary pause nor excessive arm swing which breaks the rhythm from switch half to Korbut. Also, there wasn't a bent leg / adjustment on her Korbut. Her straddle jump was clearly above 180 from another angle. A 0.3 balance on wolf turn means some weird move on her arms or body to balance. In this case, she didn't.
@@cocoroni1031 there literally was, watch closely again
@@kishmishkashmiri Because judges watch it in slow motion like you have been doing?
The bent legs on the Korbut are obvious in real time. I would even add an amplitude deduction too
@@Plaspos Same. It’s so low for an element made to look elegant and add airy flair to a connection, the antithesis of Gadirova(scored)’s “Korbut”.
Could you do this analysis for ellie black beam routine?
Could you do catalina ponor x aly raisman 2012 ?
Thank you
When it's slowed down at the end the audience screaming sounds like catshaha
You are amazing!!!
I could see a time in the near future where AI takes over the determination of most of the execution score, with a human judge's eye relegated to evaluations of artistry and choreography exclusively. And if that happens, it will make scores much more fair and objective.
Love this breakdown. But at 1:40 I can't believe anyone would be deducting .2 because a gymnast's knees are a little bent while beginning a back handspring. They're jumping. You can expect knees to be straight in the middle - - - but while entering a back handspring? Are judges really deducting for that?
Actually she was pretty generous on the bent knees deductions in this video. In her other videos such as for Sun Xinyi or Nastia Liukin she gave bent knees deductions to front aerials with much less obvious knee bend than Jessica’s Korbut (which got off deduction-free in this video).
@@Plaspos was she trying to match the score Jessica got? Because some of the deductions were.. interesting
@@thesovgc yes I think she was, there were too many deductions she didn't give that she gave to Sun/Nastia
@@Plaspos she said she wasn't, but I can't help but wonder if Jess' actual E-score caused her to subliminally miss things
Is it possible to just have straight audio with no music?
I wish I could see all these deductions... It happens so fast
what is arm position？I don't read it in cop
It's included in the shape deduction. Dance elements have more rooms for deduction than acrobatics.
I'm sorry if this is a silly question, but how do the judges work out the scores so quickly?
I never thought she was overscored I just felt some gymnasts were underscored or deducted more harshly. Also I would probably take 0.1 for fluidity.
excessive preparation before dismount? Body posture before dismount? Squat on landing? And the balance check on the wolf turn just 0.1?
1. Clearly not excessive preparation. She's doing choreography with releve work right before dismount, as clearly mentioned in the video.
2. No issue with body posture before dismount. Only flexed feet and bent knees which have been deducted already.
3. Squat? Clearly this is not a squat position. She has too many power which leads to the big step, nothing else.
4. Yes, balance check on the wolf turn is 0.1, not a medium wobble. Her arms don't weirdly move like others with medium wobble.
You can't just pluck random deductions out of thin air pal...
@@liukin95 Apparently you can when you are an ignorant wanting to play it clever, lol
@@liukin95 they're not random, we know from the judges webinar that the preparation deductions are being hammered this quad as is posture in general. they actually put out a disgusting webinar where a bunch of thin gymnasts with long legs and necks and prepubescent waists were shown as "correct posture" and a bunch of muscular gymnasts with shorter limbs were given all sorts of body deductions. Gadirova usually falls into the first category and although I wouldn't have deducted for the posture in this case it's a fair question.
the only deduction they're pulling. out of thin air is the squat on landing since it was clearly overrotated rather than underrotated. The other ones are plausible although I think overly strict.
@@Plaspos Yes I've seen that webinar. They used Eythora as the "good" example and Jordan as the "bad" example if I remember correctly!
What about the 2 second hold position requirement on the candle mount? Or the exessive preperation for the wolf turn?
Does any line on the COP require gymnasts to hold 2 seconds? The COP said "candle position" only.
it does not to be held for 2s. just a “marked” position. I chose not to take excessive prep because it was only a slight arm movement, not a body movement so not “excessive” imo but it does cut it close..
How long is the position for the candle mount supposed to be held
There is nothing written in the code about holding position. Instead of repeating stupidities that other write it would be better to spend that time actually reading the code
@@leykimayri get a life you are literally obsessed with this girl 🤮
it just has to be marked, not held
Sensational analysis! I bow down to your expertise! I do wonder why you didn't deduct for the form break on the Korbut.
omg this is an invredible analysis
can u do it with floor and bars in AA final?
Lol
My analysis:
1) Candle mount
-No deduction-
2) Switch leap + Switch 1/2 + Korbut
- .1 lack of balance
- .1 slow connection
- .5 body shape/position
- .1 slow connection
- .1 bent knees
3) Double Wolf turn
- .1 excessive preparation
- .3 body shape/position
- .1 balance
4) Front Aerial + Split Jump + Straddled Jump
- .1 flexed foot
- .1 slow connection
- .1 body shape/position
5) BHS + LOSO
- .1 bent knees
- .1 bent arms
- .1 bents knees
6) Side Aerial
- .1 flexed feet
7) Double Pike DMT
- .1 bent knees
- .1 flexed feet
- .3 big hop back
*Artistry Deductions*
- .1 insufficient amplitude (maximum elongation of the movements
* Not enough stretch and range of movements in the choreography, especially the legs
- .1 insufficient variation in rhythm & tempo in movements
* Same quick, choppy movements throughout routine except when approaching dismount (supposedly to catch a breath)
Execution Score: 7.2 (!!!)
P.S. I was even being a little lenient.
Some Nina haters can also "score" her Olympics qual floor to mid 7. Unless you have the qualification to judge, your scoring is irrelevant compared to one who has trained to judge.
@@cocoroni1031 judges' scoring is irrelevant when they give Eaker a 15.266 at Pan Ams and then a 13.466 at Worlds two months later. How can they expect us to take their scoring seriously when that happens?
It's one thing to question Gadirova's floor scores - after all her execution was fairly in line with what she received previously (albeit without stuck landings this time) and her difficulty was much higher. This beam routine was the highest execution score of the whole final and I believe Jessica's highest ever, again with a fairly poor landing albeit good connections throughout. It's definitely eyebrow-raising
@@cocoroni1031 So judges are the almighty, infallible scores on gymnastics routines??? As @Matan alludes to above, they are NOT perfect and can and ARE quite inconsistent in their scoring. A HUGE portion of the gymnternet thought Jessinflation Gadirovascored was given unfairly high marks. You can’t tell me this was THE CLEANEST routine *of the top group* in the AA final. We may not be judges, but we aren’t blind either.
@@tambam6744 but Jessica's scores have been similar to this at the Olympics, worlds and euros... so not sure how you're claiming inconsistencies here
@@KT-mj9kf This routine was not executed the same as other routines of hers that have scored well internationally. Do you have eyes? Or you just blindly accept the opinion of a “qualified person”?
Can you please explain how the switch 1/2 is medium instead of large deviation?
And how there is no deduction on the Korbut!
After watching the Sun Xinyi video it’s clear Jessica should also be getting a precision deduction on the switch 1/2 too. Between everything else you already gave her it should really be a 0.5 deduction.
You also gave Sun Xinyi a bent knees deduction on her front aerial when Jessica’s aerial is no better.
Then 0.2 on the Korbut (amplitude and bent knees, not deducting for bent arms or poor landing because those are harder to see in real time).
A strict caller would also call a pause deduction before the wolf turn, a releve deduction for ankle angle, and a deduction for first a small hop on dismount then a larger step instead of just the larger step, considering her front foot is not remaining in place.
All in all that’s an extra 0.4-0.8 deductions that a Chinese gymnast performing this exercise probably would have gotten considering how they are explicitly not favored by FIG leaders in past comments.
no u
Imma need a breakdown on her and rebe FX cause a 14.4 should’ve been 13.9 to 14.1 it’s the fact that there better performances didn’t even reach that high
The entire floor final was a joke. Jade Carey missed all 3 of her dance moves and still got credit. Rebeca was a mess.
@@SabrinaVoineaSStolenMedal she got a 14.4 on FX in AA not in Event Finals, this response doesn't make sense to the above comment.
@@CarissaHelmer88 The person didn't mention which part the score came from so the comment makes sense. The entire floor scoring overall made no sense.
Jessica's 14.4 in AA is right. Her floor score isn't difficult to understand. The video maker will surely make the breakdown.
@@cocoroni1031 she did a better on in TF and got less come on now.
Can you do her floor from ef…
but remember the judges don’t have slo mo
we can see it in real time but just slowing it down in the video to highlight the deductions
@@FlipFlyTumble great video though amaing editing!
Inguardabile!
isn’t there a deduction for not holding the candle mount? Or was Tim Daggett wrong again 💀
Wrong again!
She’s still awesome. She’s not the only one who was overscored.
I would add pause in front of the double wolf but everything else is fine
She literally broke rhythm during by the Korbut as well. Flexed feet in the front aerial
And a lack of amplitude in the Korbut
No break of rhythm in Korbut. This is a smooth transition from switch half to kobut.
Even in the video with slower speed, flexed feet in the front aerial is not at the regime for deduction. Flexed feet on side aerial however can be spot by human eye with training.
@@cocoroni1031 I meant as she comes down during the korbut her thigh hits the beam resulting in an awkward landing. That is a deduction.
The fact that ignorant internet trolls know more than certified and experienced FIG judge simply amazes me, lol
@@kishmishkashmiri No it's not.
1:47 choreo is a mess
Oh god the artistry part is so cringe and kind of boring. Is this code really helping gymnastics to evolve and be more artistic?
1:44 Wait, you cannot bend your arms? Where is the gymnast supposed to get the strength for the next handspring? Some rules are really absurd.
That wolf turn was practically a fall…
Because you say so? 🤦♀️
A fall? Are you blind?
Eh? Don't be so disingenuous!
I don’t like wolf turns but Jessica’s was average. I’ve seen way worse.
Sweetheart, hop on that floor final love, that’s where most of the “hate” is coming from.
Floor final scoring is actually easier to understand than beam. Jessica's execution on dance elements is where set her apart from other medal winners.
@@cocoroni1031 you would had better argument if you had went with the “she had more Artistry” angle. Those leaps and jumps left a lot to be desired and doesn’t make up for those landings.
@@bgreen5234 It does give her an edge (+0.5) relative to the medal podium winners like Jordan. Jordan's switch side 1/2 and attempted split 3 / 2 are at least 0.3 deduction each. Jessica's leaps and jumps don't have above 0.2 deduction for each. Her switch ring is only -0.1 and no deduction for Popa jump.
@@cocoroni1031 friend, you were speaking as if Jessica’s dance elements were in a class of their own. You admitted her dance elements are not textbook literally proving my point. Then you add those landings, let’s not kid ourselves and say that score didn’t raise eyebrows. Twitter was on fire across the globe.
@@bgreen5234 It's a comparison to the podium winners. Other podium winners made mistakes that incur some 0.3 deductions on the dance elements, while Jessica did not. So Jessica did stand out on the component of dance elements in the competition, not to mention her artistry. Again, COP matters way more than any opinion from online platform.
I now understand why no one cares if their knees are bent during layouts. Ony a tenth for that bent knee which was practically bent like she was sitting in a chair? The code is a joke. Can you do Jade Carey because she had a better execution score than Ou Yushan (7.733 to 7.700) If you somehow come up with Jade having a better execution score than Ou and the same as Skye, (who I know made mistakes but still does things overall, better) then this sport should be disbanded.
Acro elements are always not deduction heavy on beam than dance elements. They are just more risky to perform on beam.
Jade surely didn't have better execution. Her dance elements were deducted heavily!
This seems disingenuous on the ignorance of the poorly performed Korbut as well as the discussion of releve work. We both know that releve is not required, but if it IS performed it must be done well. You make it seem like she gets a check box for doing releve at all which is not true. In fact the fact she attempts releve but does it poorly (weak ankle angle compared to Chinese gymnasts) should be a deduction rather than a check mark. Whereas someone who does no releve at all would not get a deduction. The “code-savvy” approach is to never attempt releve
Her releve is good enough not to be deducted. The box is for whether the releve is good enough, not excellency. Since she did releve with choreography (not just small arm wave to buy time) right before the dismount, that didn't qualify for a pause deduction like some wanted lol.
I see! Since you agree with this judge can I hear your thoughts on the Korbut flip? I would give -0.1 for bent knees and -0.1 for amplitude but what are your thoughts?
What I’ve seen from the judges webinar that Pamchenkova posted is that releve judging is about the angle of the foot and the duration of the hold not about what choreo occurs during it. Do you have any resources indicating it is about the choreo? I don’t think her foot clears a 45 degree angle much less 60 degrees
the exact deduction in the code is “lack of work in relevé” (section 12 page 4) so you do need it..
@@FlipFlyTumble maybe I am looking at an earlier version of the 22-24 code but what I see on section 12 page 4 is "insufficient artistry of performance throughout the exercise --> poor foot work --> poor work in releve" rather than "lack of work in releve." I assume you have a more updated version of the code though so I will take your word for it. Thanks for the correction.
No offense to you, this is informative content but I find FIG’s artistry requirements for beam extremely outdated. Next they’re going to make female gymnasts dance on the runway before they vault. There is no reason gymnasts should be dancing on the beam in between elements. It adds nothing to the routine, it doesn’t improve the flow in my opinion, even in this case when she has obviously more intricate choreo. The vast majority of gymnasts just swing their arms and legs expressionless and it’s not their fault, it’s because there is no time and no room for some happy dancing when they’re trying their best to execute their moves.
I find it also hypocritical and misogynistic from FIG that they’re making female gymnasts do this when male gymnasts have ZERO choreography requirements, further solidifying gender stereotypes in the sport. But hey, people are gonna reply with “iT’s a DiFfErEnt sPort” again so what do I know.
It is very much a different sport, MAG came from ancient warrior skills, WAG evolved from dance.
Without dance, women’s floor would just be an inferior version of men’s floor. It’s not misogynistic.
Plus men and women have different bodies, I’m glad there is a sport that recognises that. In everything else, women compete the same as men, but inferior. It’s refreshing that gymnastics does not pretend physical differences between men and women don’t exist.
Balance beam is one of only two sports on the world were women are naturally better than men. Meanwhile, MAG is perfectly suited to showcasing men’s strength. I’m glad it remains different sports.
I agree that I don’t like this era’s dance requirements on beam, it ironically compromises natural artistry. There is a limit to what choreography can be performed on a four inch beam, and forcing it is having the opposite effect. It mostly looks stupid. A clean, simple and graceful routine will always be more artistic than endless redundant arm flailing.
Jessinflation Gadiroverscored
Thanks for sharing, but it is an ugly beam routine of her🤪
I don't buy that score.
Up to you, buy Emily is a qualified FIG brevet judge so she's more than qualified than anyone else on UA-cam to do this kind of analysis.
She just said to her analysis wasn’t a “correct answer”, yet here you are using the argument from authority logical fallacy.
Grammar police....
@@leykimayri Gadirovascored is that you?!?
@@tambam6744 Jerk is that you?
Her answer is way way more knowledgeable than many random online name-calling mobs. At least she didn't deduct for something not in the code of point like "Koburt landing", or earlier, "shape deduction on double double".
Emily is a qualified FIG brevet judge. She's more qualified to talk about this than you are, so sit down and put a sock in it!
you are a bit strict! lol
1:09 That was a slow connection. Clearly
Let's forget all d editing,we know d Truth,no body can fool us, this has been in gymnastics for long, u do video to cover dis right, so don't tell me she has more artistry than urazova ? Because she is no where close to urazova,yet fig did not reward urazova artistry over d American, no body can fool us.