Scalping and Dethatching After Killing The Lawn - Lawn Renovation Step 3
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- It's time for step 3 of the lawn renovation and I'm combining a couple things today and scalping and dethatching the lawn as one step. Scalping will cut the grass as short as the mower will go and then dethatching removes more of that dead grass and opens up the lawn so we can seed and get good seed to soil contact.
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You would think that 14mm socket would be drilled into your memory by now lol 😆
This is the most useful group Lawn reno videos I've found on this subject.... Subscribed months ago but, found this just recently MUCH THANKS!
Mega LOL Ryan.. Love that music you play when you're slow rollin' the Honda out.. Watched this video many times and laugh every time. Excellent video production as usual man.. lol
Recently subscribed after a binge of your lawn vids. I really like the straightforward no nonsense format, but the explanations are what hooked me. A logical explanation of "why" shows me you know your stuff.
I followed your link for a dethatcher and have been waiting over a week for it to be shipped. One week, and all they have managed to do is generate a label. Did some research to see if I could get one somewhere else, but that model seems to be in the works for discontinuation. I checked the manufacturer's site, and found this in the Q&A from 3 months ago:
Q "What is the difference between the Model 27022 and Model DT14B00 lawn dethatchers?"
A "Model DT14B00 is the most recent model. We have upgraded and reworked the internal electrics and transmissions to make it more efficient and more reliable. The newer model has a slightly different look and is designed to be more user friendly with no height adjustment options. As we found there's one ideal setting that works best."
Read into that what you will, but looks like they actually engineered it for the "lowest common denominator" consumer.
Thanks again for the great vids, Ryan, looking forward to learning the "why".
That's interesting. I had not heard they were updating but it appears Amazon doesn't have that updated version yet. I'll keep an eye out for it.
Not gonna lie, between you and the guys over in the LCN FB group, I couldn't resist and went ahead and bought the Greenworks Dethatcher. Everyone seems to hold it in this high praise of "It does exactly what it says it does, and that's amazing for the price". Should be here today or tomorrow, pretty pumped.
It has not let me down yet. Thanks for watching!
do you still like it? i was going to go with the sunjoe cause i was hearing issues of the greenworks prongs breaking and not being able to replace
The quality of this video was phenomenal!
I totally agree
Wow Ryan you guys neeeeeeed the three inches of rain that us in Cedar Rapids got last night, can't wait to see what the lawn looks like afterwards. ✌🏼👍
A couple of good soakings would be nice.
I put some Milorganite down the night before in Marion and was glad to see it get rained in but that was a bit much for an hour of rain.
I just did the same thing to my yard 75% was crabgrass Neighbors thought I was really weird when I watered my dead grass as well then they seen me mowing the dead grass lol I used a bagger as well to pickup and seeds from the weeds then got Pete Moss and mixed it in with top soil raked it in 👍 great video keep them coming
Sounds like a great process. Good luck!
I wish you showed us the lawn after you raked up the dead thatch and how it looked when you were finished. Show how exposed he soil was. Less of you looking into the camera talking to us and more footage of the Labor and your voice just speaking over it. Most of the footage on your page is like that. Just a tip/request. You do great stuff just wish you showed more.
Cool new logo! Can't wait to see how this part of your yard turns out.
A reel mower might give you the low cut you would like for scalping.
Eliet make a four horse, Honda powered, entry level vertical cutter.
I love mine!
even his dead grass lawn looks good lol
My front lawn is about 2 weeks behind yours. Following your lead.
Those are big shoes to fill. I'll do my best!
I used magic marker and wrote the nut size right on the side of the mower deck.
That's perfect.
That's a great idea. Thanks.
Great video! Don’t be ashamed of that spreader because I just bought the same one back in May. I’m from New England and I just want to give you our rainy weather and you can give us some dry weather.
If we could swap weather that would be perfect. However once I seed I then have to worry about too much rain. It's a never ending cycle!
I put green tape around the socket I use for the lawn mower blade. 👌🏼
I like that tip 👍
Great video Ryan, I would have worn a disposable face mask when dethatching and mowing after killing off the lawn with poison . There was a lot of dust being thrown up. Great information on your ongoing process.👍👍
trevor muggeridge you’re right if he used Monsanto’s poison who just lost a lawsuit for their products causing cancer. I will NEVER use roundup www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/08/10/health/monsanto-johnson-trial-verdict/index.html
have the same craftsman set.....very handy...until u open it upside down....twice!!! finally labeled it for dummies...myself...didnt lose any tho.
I like the intro and the new logo. 👍🏼
I put a piece of painter’s tape on the socket that fits the mower and you could write on them so that way you can easily spot them when you pop it open.
you know whats weird Ryan? when I was a kid, I hated mowing the lawn. Now that I am older and have a family and a house, my favourite thing to do is to take care of my lawn. I have Kentucky bluegrass as well. Im thinking of doing what you did because one side of my lawn is mixed with perennial grass along with my bluegrass and the right side is full of bluegrass. I really enjoy watching your videos and it really helps me understand better.
Glad to help!
A must own tool ...still need a hand thatch rake for edging , and renovations
Thank you for sharing.
Those Honda's are boat-anchors; I hate working with those, especially in the hot Summer sun...
Great video adding this to my playlist !
I like the new signature at the start of the video. Nice work.
Thanks!
I dethatch once a year and it's a great investment. If you consider the price to rent, the hassle of lugging it to and from the rental shop, it's a much better deal to buy it. I have the Sunjoe just because its available where I live in Canada. Its great. TIPS: do not run it over your edges or else you'll scalp your lawn, always use it on the surface of the lawn. Start with your higher setting first and then lower as you go - again to prevent ripping up (healthy) grass. As you move around corners, lift and reset it down. You'll get the hang of it. Do your first pass somewhere you dont care about as much - a back corner or boulevard and you'll quickly see how to work it. You're going to need a lot of yard bags, you'll be surprised. Dont bother using the mulch bag that comes with it - it fills up super quickly. The Sunjoe allows you to switch to a power rake and it helps to clean up after you've dethatched.
The best way to do this is to dethatch before seeding. Don't rely just on aerating. I tell folks this all the time and they still try to aerate and seed with not much success. You have to expose that soil for good seed to soil contact or at least top dress after seeding.
I watch a bunch of your vids and they are fantastic but this one in particular the music is spot on
Nice new logo and cinematic shots!
Just picked up the sunjoe aj801e for my fall renovation.😆
Hey Ryan. I’ve been following your very informative videos on lawn care. Splendid work as everyone mentions. Thanks for sharing your wisdom. Good luck!
The honda still striped good even on the dead grass.
Not bad actually.
I love a little cinematic dethatching!
Oh yeah!
This ain’t no joke.
Great video. Rather than writing the socket size down and then having to go read it just color the top and about a 1/4” with a permanent marker. Then when you open the case you know which one it is. If it rubs off with use just reapply.
Or I could write it down right on the case. :) .
Good idea though too. Thanks!
You can tell I'm adding comments as I watched but that's a sweet park job with the truck.
My GreenWorks dethatcher is pulling up grass, Thach, and dirt on the 0 settings and doing the same on -3/4. The ground is very uneven in some places and not in others. The previous owner had a large dog that created these. Should I keep using it and pull up all my grass to even out the dirt then replant seed?
Your new logo would look sweet on a snapback hat. I plan on doing a full reno next fall depending on how my grass looks between now and then. Thanks for the tips, heard great things about that dethatcher too.
I do hope to get hats in the future. Thanks!
I work in landscaping and my work rented a dethacher for a job. When we ran it it shook you like a bronco and went faster than jogging speed. thing kicked my ass and nearly ran into a tree. worst hunk of junk you could ever imagine, but it did it's job in the end.
Ryan throughout this video I'm thinking that I'm watching a PBS quality show. Nice job on all aspects!
I appreciate that! Thanks
I'd recommend topdressing with 70% sand 30% compost mix. The sand will do a much better job leveling and with the dead grass it will be much easier to apply. I know sand sounds counter intuitive when seeding but you are only adding a 1/4" or less and the sand will actually force the roots down.
I plan to add sand in the future but I need waaayyy more than 1/4 inch to get some of these holes filled so I'll be using topsoil which is the same soil structure as what I have. When I can start topdressing sand in small increments I will be doing that down the road.
Also, dirt is being delivered free from a friend and sand is well...not free. Haha
Ryan Knorr Lawn Care that's a win. I pay $55 a yard for sand compost mix...not cheap.
If you look at the Ariel view... you can tell which lawn belongs to the pro
I am going to try this. Great videos, huge help !! Thank you
Hey Ryan, could you just burn the lawn to completely remove everything?
Great music. Thumbs up for the fluid film too I use that stuff as well.
Man I am glad I came across your channel!!! Great content!!
Thanks!
Hey so that's a great idea. I sprayed large sections of my lawn infested with tall fescue and it'll need to be raked before seeding. I have a dethatcher/scarifier too but would not have thought to use it for that.
You are doing a fine job Ryan, in the lawn and behind your computer editing your video footages. That’s why it makes a “Ryan Knorr Lawn Care” video so fun to watch ... High Five 🙌 again buddy !!!
Thanks!
Nice shoes
Ooooohhhh Yeeeaahhhh!
Connor Ward oh hey it’s nice to see you here you have been answering a lot of my comments thank you btw
The head bolt is actually 14mm but 9/16 is just good enough.
Paint the Honda socket with a red mark, even nail polish and paint the bolt on the blade same color. Do your toro in yellow, etc. or buy a socket that doesn’t match your craftsman set.
Would this process be the same if you were to lay sod instead of seeding? The killing off existing lawn/weeds, dethatching, etc?
You should explain what side to lay the mower on when changing blades out .As always ..you do a great job .
Love your videos . Thank you
Not gonna lie! I think that dead grass looks nice.
Possible tip. You can spray paint the socket green..
Is there a good reason why you shouldn't dethatch BEFORE killing your lawn off for a full lawn rennovation? It seems like there would be less lawn to have to kill.
After this the same day I can water or put seed that is done after this process
Reading reviews on the dethatcher... people are saying it overheats very quickly. What say you? It's sitting in my amazon cart as we speak.
They must not be using the correct gauge cord for it. I have never had a problem.
Got my Greenworks detacher ordered should be here on Friday.
Do I need to kill my grass if I am going to scrape the landscape and relevel my lawn?
I don't understand the difference between scalping and dethatching. Can you just dethatch without scalping since the grass was already low?
I love your blonde lawn in the video
Right off the bat.. cool new logo man, I dig it!!
Thanks! I really like it as well.
T-shirt?
By the way, I just received my Greenworks dethatcher yesterday from Amazon. I only tested it to make sure it worked. Too hot and humid in Milwaukee yet. Will do in late September early October.
We might have a little different definition of hot weather. I would adore your weather. :)
did you end up liking it ? any issues?
This is the first appearance I've seen online with the electric power rake. How do you feel that electric power rake compares to a bluebird power rake? I've had a few people ask me about the electric power rake but I've never used one. Great footage.
I'd say it's a little less aggressive but yet seems to get the thatch without causing much damage to existing grass. Obviously here I have no existing grass I'm keeping but I did a video last fall and earlier this spring using this tool as well and the results are great.
Where's the before and after? Did grass come back?
Is the 801E good. Or should I wait to buy the 805E when they come back in stock. I’d prefer the cordless. I don’t have a big yard. And only will use it a few times a year.
Nice work, so much smarter than Grass Dummy.
I'm a little lost Ryan. Did u kill the lawn? I saw on another channel the guy stray the lawn to kill all the grass?? I'm in NJ, I want a perennial rye grass lawn, but in NJ, 3 main types. Have spots of other types of grass. Do I kill those areas, or can I mow low & overseed??
All that stuff to grow a blade of grass, fuck me, I'm not doing that. I'll keep on watching your show though. There's an end of winter weather forecast for a major drought this summer in Australia. It's already happening in Queensland and New South Wales, farmers are struggling. It's meant to spread down to Victoria where I live. If that's the case I think I will let my lawn die or go dormant. Water restrictions will be in place. Good luck to you.
Sorry to hear about the dry weather. Dormant grass can survive a while if you just very lightly water every couple weeks.
What is the name of the green machine you’re using
When can you seed after dethatching?
Should get yourself a flail blade power rake, set er low n tear the hell out of that grass down through thatch layer to the dirt. just be careful of flying rocks! But it will spit out a nice thin soil layer behind it as it goes. Afterwards seed it and plug it twice. Throw down some 10 10 10 as starter if its cool season grass. Water 10 to 15 mins 3 times a day, start mowing when the first blades hit 2.5 to 3 inches to thicken it up.hit it one more time with ten ten ten in 6 weeks, or before if its looking pale n ur good to go. Im really suprised your honda doesent go lower then that? Unless the vid didnt do it justice. Ive got one thats about ten years old no bells or whistles 3 speed self propelled, twin blade cheapo. It’l dam near retract its wheels past the deck and float on the blades.. its the lowest cutting mower ive ever had. Good thing its a honda, my toro recyclers briggs engine would never handle cutting as low.
Did you dethacher or scarifier ?
I’m in Southern California, and looking to do a complete lawn reno. If I till up my upper 6” of soil do I still need to do an additional top soil layer before seeding? I’ll do a soil test first to see if I need any amendments. Thanks!
I actually have a Honda lawn mower just like yours which I believe you have a HRR216VKA. I heard you say to remove blades you use a 9/16" socket? It's actually a 14mm or millimeter. Also suggest a torque wrench for 34 torque. I believe all nuts including wheel nuts are millimeters. I have replaced my wheels with new last year because of being worn especially back drive wheels.
Yep it's 14mm but 9/16 is like 14.3mm so with grass caked on there too it worked ok.
Ryan Knorr Lawn Care , ha. Okay. I can't wait to use my new Greenworks dethatcher, but darn Milwaukee is still near 90 degrees, hot and humid! Can't stand it. Will wait until cooler temperatures late next month or early October to use my new toy. I appreciate your comments on using your Greenworks dethatcher and made me decide to buy one rated better than a Sun Joe brand I was also looking at.
Don from Milwaukee
Great video Ryan, I've been following your channel for a couple months now and I have been interested in buying a dethatcher. I clicked on the link you provided and guess what!? It's 48% off!!! So I bought one LOL
Whoa! That's a great deal.
Hi Ryan, this may be a bit off topic, but have you ever used a slice/slit seeder on a renovation before? I have tried aerating, in the past and it works great but my yard took a beating from "water grass" and after killing it all, I have a lot of bare spots. We also just had rain for literally 4 days straight here in NW Illinois on the border of Illinois and Iowa. Not sure if I should let it dry out some before slice seeding. Thoughts? I haven't seen a video where you have used one yet, but maybe I missed something. Thanks for everything and all the great content as always.
I have not used one mainly because I'm dealing with leveling work and loose soil in most cases. You can use one if you have it available and obviously it provides great seed to soil contact
Love the new logo
Thanks!
So that’s where all the Milo is. Can’t find it here in NC.
I've only got 12 bags...haha
Did you kill the grass on purpose, or accidentally due to over fertilizing?
Have you ever used a power rake 6-1 blade for your mower? Bought one but have yet to use it. It's to late in the season to be doing any dethatching with it. Especially here in the Canadian prairies. I am about 10 min from North Dakota border.
Thanks for the very informative video. Is it better to do the dethatching on dry soil, or damp?
why did you not till it ?
If you do plan on topdressing with soil, would you want to mulch the dead stuff rather than bagging it?
You would still want to remove it all
Hello Ryan, I do really enjoy your videos. I had learn so much from them, thank you!
I’m preparing to do all this in my lawn but have few questions:
- I see you level your lawn after aerating.
Don’t you think by doing that after aerating it covers all the holes and compact the ground to much for the seed?
- I’m also planning to put down some new soil.
Would it be better doing before aerating? In order to mixed the different soil/ clay, etc..?
Thank you for all your help. I really like the opening/start of your videos, very professional and like the music.
Yes you will be covering the holes but idea is to open up the existing ground to let looser soil into those holes so the grass roots can grow into that space you created with the aerator.
Is that a normal blade setup for that mower deck?
I also never remember to write it down, no matter how much logical sense it makes to do so. Instead, I keep a dedicated wrench and nut in my lawn stuff box.
That's not a bad idea either.
why do you have multiple mowers
Hi Ryan. I plan on renovating my lawn using your steps this fall. I was doing some research and some say to completely remove the sod (even after killing it) and lay with top soil prior to putting in new seed. I was just wondering which way is better / provides a better success rate. I'd rather use your method because removing sod is a lot of manual labor :(
I have never removed sod in any of my renovations and no issues at all
what if you marked or taped (electrical or duct tape) the socket (is it called that?) so you remember the size for the honda blade
Would I need to scalp first if I know I am going to need and be renting a power rake or would you still have done both?
What did you use to kill your grass. I need to do my front this fall. I live in WA state hope what you used I can get here.
I'm chomping at the bit to get after my yellow lawn as well. Did you ever consider unleashing a sodcutter instead of scalping? I read your comment about tilling and would think cutting would be the best of both worlds. Can't wait to see the next vid!
I did consider it and maybe that was a good route to go as well but I was thinking I should make sure the tall fescue is killed off since those roots can go very deep.
Ryan Knorr Lawn Care : agreed. Im going two fold by sod cutting a glyphosated lawn. Planning going down 2.5 inches. Pray for me.
if my lawn if majority of weeds. Should I mow the weeds at the lowest height to get them out once they die?
Doesn't have to be the lowest. You should be able to continue to mow regularly at a normal height
I hope you got that rain you were talking about!
We actually got an inch last night!
How low did you set the detached to? Because I’m in the process of just hand raking all the weeds out before I used my detacher because mine is low enough to pick up the dirt
why remove the sparkplug wire
Fine job. I believe a power rake is in my future. Thanks Ryan.