As a person who is trying to learn from UA-cam they both have lots to learn from you Allen ! ( I am talking about HOW to pass knowledge to a third party).
About debunking: There was a German HiFi magazine that tested LAN-cables about 10-15 years ago, and they actually stated that they could hear a difference depending on which LAN cable was used for a digital audio stream, which is totally ridiculous, because the 1s and 0s of a digital signal are always the same, and as long as a LAN cable doesn't lose any data (which would make it rather unfit to be a LAN cable), the signal is exactly the same. It was a great LOL among the electronics and computer community, because it was so laughable, they actually tested the more expensive cables to have a better sound than the cheaper ones. We all rolled on the floor laughing when that one came out, and it was a running gag long time after...
It’s extremely difficult to debunk politics related bad science because the people that believe it need to believe it to support other beliefs they hold, and big money takes advantage of them for capital gains by playing into this. I live in the southern United States were this problem is prevalent and the result is devastating, it’s becoming a near 3rd world area, no healthcare, no jobs because education is shunned and people are actually voting against their own interests willingly. The biggest problem is the assault on trust, making everyone with an opinion equal and discounting the true authorities in their respective feilds is the most egregious attack on humanity.
Gentlemen, thank you so much for those videos. This is the kind of discussion that I absolutely love to have with learned people and in a way I wish I had been there! I am an electrical engineer by training but have left the field over 25 years ago for a career in various networking and datacenter software companies. When I found Dave's channel, I slowly got sucked back in to electronics to the point today, where I'm working on open source designs that are being used by a few 100 people. I even start getting into what used to be completely out of my domain: analog electronics. (hey, it's not even as hard as I thought). I'm still watching the signal path in awe, slowly getting the idea that RF might not be magic in the end, but can be controlled by engineers :-) So, thank you both for the depth of content. I'm learning a huge amount! As for depth of content: I rather watch a longer video that takes the time to explain concepts than 7 minute vids that stay at a high level.
Shahriar is good in the electronics field but once he leaves it, his lack of understanding shows through. Example: Free health care. Look at all the issues on his YT video regarding his giving away of a $20 chinese component tester.
If it were in a country were the average citizen is healthy? Sure... But here in the states, with the past several decades of fast food bullshit food being shoved down a significant portion of the US via ignorant parents following the guidelines put forth by our bullshit FDA. *Zoom in on the food pyramid* Come on... Chronic health issues have been systematically worked into American society for decades, and now EVERYONE is paying for it while the medical industry, pharma industry, and now insurance industry are all lining their pockets.
Shahriar, It really helps when we can get to know at least a little about one real normal person from Iran when we may be getting exposed to propaganda designed to direct our reactions. No, it is not your job to represent a whole country of various types of people but it is too easy to be lead down the path of "those others" when we don't have experience with another group. Thanks to both of you for all of your hard work putting videos together for us.
I see Flat Earthers as a weird religious movement and nothing to do with hard science, and of course there is the conspiracy it's a psy-ops to spread misinformation which may or may not be true. The collective unconscious as Carl Jung said is a very powerful thing and can even sway even the most logical people.
This is amazing content, I really love it! I think you both should be talking about these subjects much more, especially Shahramian who seems to be very knowledgable (to avoid saying "wise" because of the negative connotation of this word). Please continue!
Thank you for doing more videos like this. It eases a lot of my anxiety to see that people I look up to and watch often share my beliefs so strongly, there are times I feel quite isolated and alone. I've been trying to stop friends from believing in unscientific woowoo but it gets harder every day. A big trend I am seeing is that when people in my generation are losing their religion they are turning towards pseudoscience, alternative medicine, homeopathy, Reiki, Chakras, etc. Usually I think it is because they don't have a strong scientific background so once they lose their faith, it is easy to use that flawed logic and logical fallacies to latch onto something else. Often it feels like an uphill battle to try and debate, and the anxiety makes me afraid to talk to friends or get on social media in fear of telling people they are wrong, upsetting them, or ruining the reputation of my character as just a grumpy asshole. It bothers me to see pseudoscience leave such a profound impact on people and how it can keep them from learning real science because they now have a "illusion of knowledge" as Hawking says. This illusion of knowledge keeps them from doing basic internet searches or solving problems to gain a larger understanding of a topic. Also when people learn something incorrectly through pseudoscience, it is much harder to relearn because you need to make new connections that can logically deduce why the previous information is wrong. I think the large appeal is because pseudoscience is often intuitive and is accompanied by graphical animations and videos like Spirit Science. Don't get me started on how Sacred Geometry has been taken over by the woowoo world. Pseudoscience lacking the formal mathematical descriptions that take many hours of practice appeals to a wide audience who want things to be easy and as lazy as possible. One of the things I try and do is debunk the pseudoscience while trying to bring up the real science and why that fascinates me. For example, a friend was talking about the magical healing properties of Quartz because it vibrates at many frequencies which are somehow intune with pseudoscientific vibrations of humans. While saying this has no evidence and crystal healers are fake, I brought up that Quartz oscillators are in all sorts of electronics and many of them do save lives like Pacemakers. Blows my mind, but I think the "healing properties" left a stronger impression on them than reality. Reality is much more beautiful and amazing than some people's woowoo writings. It might be more difficult to understand, but the reward is so more much humbling and satisfying. Sorry for the rant, but thanks for all you do Dave. These videos really do help. The electronics videos help keep me passionate about my career and hobbies, and these videos help me maintain my sanity and ensure that I'm doing the right thing.
I see the attention seeking children are out in force here. Maybe one day they will grow up but I am not holding my breath. Good balanced video. Well worth watching.
Hey guys... I want to thank you that you recorded this free talk :D this was the thing i needed to finally take the step to start recording videos what i like to do!!!!! For sure i do not have the knowledge yet about electronics to make videos about how some thing have to be done yet.. and maybe will never acquire that knowledge cuz im not a do things the proper way if you want to make it right... my style of living is 100% improvisation at the given moment.. what i mean is that i want to do something that i know i dont have the resources and the full knowledge to do it but try to do it with what i have on hand at that moment... most of the time the result is 100% WIN but when something put me to the "challenge" and just dont want to happen my way i feel like im looosing very much time to keep trying.. time that i cloud invest in learning how to do it by the book.... but in the long run these are the things from witch i have REALLY learned most about certain thing.. not that i dont after a fail i dont start from the beginning and invest again time to learn it properly ... but i already know what NOT to do and when i receive the full knowledge how i should do the certain thing and the resources that are needed my subconsciousness mind starts to think and how to optimize thing and ending up finishing the "job" a lot easier with less thing.. I dont know why i blab about this things right now :D maybe because when i start to learn a new thing most of the time there is some things that i cant find as proper information why and spending again alot of time searching info about some stupid thing that is skipped in most of the resources because everyone assume that if you look certain thing you have to know in :D:D:D:D:D Thats the main reason why i like the eevblog so much.... it doesent matter what is the topic it start not from the beginning but from what caused that beginning :D and from a lot of time i am thinking should i start to record videos not explaining theory or explaining examples or this kind of stuff but explaining what i do WRONG what errors i realised that i do and what i actually learn my own way... And you guys with this conversation make to do it already D:D:D:D just wondering should i make some kind of plan or just go with the flow :D buuut as i know my self that is stupid question :D Thanks again! Regards Rose V. bla bla bla i have booooored my self already that i for a second i have a thought for pressing CANCEL buuuut..
Re: General educational vids, It is something that is sorely missing, videos from tubers like yourself that teach tough subjects without resorting to tough maths or things like that, something to sit along side the up coming generations favourites for the rest of us.
Can you explain why burning the tree is OK? If you let it decompose and don't burn it then surely what was burned would not have been released into the atmosphere?
Great conversation. What you are discussing are the values of education particularly in Science, Mathematics, Engineering. What a shame it is that so many people today learn about Mathematics or Science, for example, as a collection rules to be followed rather than as a way of thinking about things. In high school, where, unfortunately, many will take no more courses in Mathematics, they rarely learn about the fact that logic and mathematical facts are being used to deepen understanding. And these are the very skills that are needed all the time to make sense of what one hears or reads in today's world. Engineering classes, and others, then take this notion to a whole new level.
"If the kids watch this stuff it says more about the kids than it does about me" news presenter in Harvester, an old PC DOS game, I do agree that the up coming generation are having all kinds of difficulties detecting lies.
Although I agree with most of what you guys are saying, I'm sorry to debunk one of your debunks, but I had terrible allergies for most of my life and, to my amazement, Homeopathy actually got rid of my allergies. I was finally able to breathe through my nose properly like everyone else and actually experience a real sense of smell. It'was not immediate. It took about six months. It's been about 20 years now and I am still fine.
One of the best talks I've seen since years, on the spot for so many important topics. I will make a "Science should not be based on authority" sticker for my car. ;o) As you talked about feelings, I feel the mean peaked somewhen in the 90s. Since then humanity seems to degenerate somehow.
Shahriar Shahramian appears to be a very smart and wise person. 10:28 "Question everything." Investigate what you are being told. (Shahriar Shahramian from The Signal Path)
Critical thinking skills are probably the best thing to teach kids along with reading and math skills IMO. I am so glad my parents taught me critical thinking, because as a kid my schools did not.
One thing about teaching is the lack of a person's willingness to learn. I work at an small town ISP and deal with many different customers asking for support. I have 70 year old's that are almost there but just can't quite figure it out, and when I show them how to do it, they write it down and learn (my favorite customers). Then on the complete opposite of the scale we have 20 year old's that come in and just want us to do it and don't have any concern about learning. Then two weeks later they call in for the same exact thing. So frustrating for me some days.
imo? and that's where science starts: First: Can you find data to back your claim? How much methane is being injected? (should be an easy number to get) and how much of an impact does it make (much harder) But in the end, you'll come up with a hypothesis of how bovine methane impacts the atmosphere and with data to back your claim. Imo just says "I have done nothing of this, but it feels good to think this way". Second: Unless the proven impact of your stated effect is larger than the CO2 effect by order of two or three magnitudes, it does not invalidate reducing CO2 emissions. It would just prove it's a problem with multiple man made and natural causes and if that''s the case, we would be wise to work on reducing all those sources that we can impact rather than just saying "oh, it's the other one, let's wait for a little while longer". Science is about getting out of your cosy "I know it already" zone and tackle the unknown, however uncomfortable it might turn out to be.
This is UA-cam comment section... I didn't realize I was presenting a thesis on the current research into the implications of increasing atmospheric methane on our biosphere. Ofcourse I can find data to back up my opinion or 'claim'. science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/03/09/science.aad2705 www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-is-there-more-methane-in-the-atmosphere/ animres.edpsciences.org/articles/animres/abs/2000/03/z0305/z0305.html Are putting for the notion that 'CO2 is worse for our atmosphere than methane'? www.edf.org/methane-other-important-greenhouse-gas?gclid=Cj0KEQjw6LXIBRCUqIjXmdKBxZUBEiQA_f50PkZgdqGaHz43bx8ur0eNd_8ExGnavuveNA4aq0Svm4YaAjLW8P8HAQ
Question there is, what makes a climate scientist? Seemingly a qualification or job in meteorology does not, so what is the criterion? As for methane, the absorbtion spectra of the various gases are readily available online, and seem to indicate that methane would not be a major greenhouse gas. Now I might not be a climate scientist but I do understand spectroscopy and have used such equipment, so I think I'm qualified to comment on that aspect of climatology. If the facts don't add up then it's up to the proposer of the theory to account for that. If they cannot, the theory gets filed in the round filing tray on the floor. It matters not who points out the discrepancy or what their qualifications are (or are not). I think the repetition of this methane 'extreme potency' claim also underlines the issue that if something is repeated often enough on the Internet, people start believing it without even checking the facts. They just assume that because it's printed everywhere, it must be correct. In this case the facts are readily available for anyone willing to seek them out.
Methane has an atmospheric half life of only 10-15 years. It is degraded by many factors including bacteria and fire. If the farms weren't there wild animals would be. On the other hand simply coating all the roofs in warm climates white would offset the heating effect of the CO2 released by every car in the USA. Not paving vast areas or running billions of street lamps all night for cars that already have headlight would have similar impacts.
Hi Dave, you proposed the question if we would live in a society where all the bullshits gone and I think it should happen. Look at the Amazon Echo. Its safe to assume that within 10 years that PA devices will be used to tutor kids and maybe even outright teach them. And they'll be able to help debunk sources of wrong information by doing the legwork in finding articles.
I went and listened to 5 minutes of one of his podcasts. His guest stated that the Russians hacked the election but offered not one piece of proof. There is no proof because it did not happen. Hillary was a bad candidate.
Aren't there quite some double-blind studies about audio-mishearings? I'm shure there's one of tube vs. transistor. Great Video btw., I didn't realize that money doesn't really exist in Star Trek (besides for the Ferengi).
A fascinating discussion between two clever blokes. Electronic engineering and science in general can improve our lives, however it can be the cause of some of the problems we are experiencing at the present. For instance the manufacture of gadget's ( hells bells, how many Arduino development boards do we need! : ) ) and the gross consumerism that as a result contributes to climate change. The invention of more and more chemical's that cause harm to the environment, and of coarse the invention of the internet; a great tool for learning, but also a potential tool for social control and manipulation. It's all about application. It would be better if a lot more scientist's responsible for discoveries could spare more thought to their eventual application. This does seem to happening, with some companies using anthropological studies as part of the design process. It was good to see that you touched on politics Dave. Couldn't agree more that voters have a responsibility to educate themselves instead of believing the BS politician's spout. Peter Joseph makes some good points, though I don't agree with all he sais in his series of lectures, a Culture in Decline - ua-cam.com/video/bTbLslkIR2k/v-deo.html BTW Dave, you didn't link in was it Sam Harris's "lecture" Thanks again for an excellent video.
What happens when the Authority becomes Political? That is the dilemma we are faced with today. Who gets to say who or what the Authority is? As much maligned as Capitalism is these days it has proven with Free Markets to be the one method of sorting out what works from what does not work. In the truest sense it is the one proven method of establishing Authority.
It was shot as one long continuous discussion jumping back and forth about stuff. We did not have a plan before we pressed record. I thought it better to separate into topics.
As technical people you should know plants consist of chemical substances and therefore can be used as medicins. Homeopathy is a science not less (or even more) then electronics. research is being done to use plants as memory cells as the ability of miniaturing of transistors (Moor's law) is reaching an end.
Without the profit motive how could humanity be assured of innovative research into improved weapons of mass destruction, and what nutcase said "Beware the Military Industrial Complex."
The wonderful thing about being a human is having the right to choose whatever crazy beliefs that help one through the day. Can you imagine, some people don't even believe in god! The fools, everyone knows God is an eleventh dimension humanoid living right here on earth, right next to us. God is all around.
Outstanding discussion. I am late watching this but love the dialog. Especially the climate change. To me it is common sense that burning fossil fuels is bad and am not sure how anyone can oppose that. However I am so dismayed at the political aspect of it that I am an anti climate change person. Not because of the science, I believe most of it is true but the idiotic way in which politicians leverage it to their own gain and not to scientific solutions. Also the amount of money in that arena is so great that corruption and cronyism is rampant. I would love to see scientific reviews of real life solutions not just the doomsday scenario's always presented.
WRONG. You can trivially debunk audiophiles by doing a double-blind trial with the first willing audiophile you can get your hands on. The problem is with the "willing" part for you I suppose.
santicomp search for the signal path on UA-cam. his channel is the BEST electronics channel if you want to learn real things as he goes trough both theory as well as practical measurements.
rbutr is an un-verified plugin. Emsisoft (a very reputable AV authority is blocking it). Even firefox is not allowing it to be installed. I can't get it's source code, so my scientific thinking is telling me it may not be safe. . Has anyone who has personally used it determined whether it's safe?. Is there anyone here from the CS field who can tell me with reason this is safe?.
Nahh ridicule just makes them fight harder for their stupid point of view - now they need to prove they are not worthy of your ridicule (which becomes more important to them then the original argument).
EEVblog In the Batteroo/ Solar road cases it wouldn't make a difference as they have no choice but to stick to their claims. They are hardly going to agree that they misled their investors! I suppose ridicule warns potential customers but it would still be better without it IMHO
Speaks of people who advocate action due to their low EQ, then making the statement that they feel there is a harmful growing wealth gap... priceless. The wealth distribution in every free or semi free market adheres to the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution,[yes the thermodynamic hoopajoop] even those societies that have been artificially started with very flat distributions revert to the M-B dist within about three generations. The thing that has happened recently is that the whole of society has had a large increase in wealth that lifted all parts of the curve and gives the impression of a widening gap when it effectively nothing more than multiplying each level.(eg 2 and 6 becomes 2*2 and 2*6) This is not to say that there is no distortion happening ,but that the distortion is not simply the product of some being born into wealth. Rather the main distortion is direct manipulation of the central monetary systems via purposeful inflation, regulatory capture, and various tax funded financial instruments.(the details are far too long to list here) IOW the "regulating" bodies themselves are created and operated by those the bodies superficially pretend to dampen, much the same as voting is used to give an illusion of control and thus prevent peasant uprisings. Econ is a subject very poorly taught and understood in the general population but, thanks to slick political types, everyone parrots lame propaganda soundbite and imagines themselves well qualified. When I say general population I do mean general, all levels of IQ and income, unlike many other subjects where there are some strong statistical correlations.
Guys loving the conversation! Im feeling compelled to comment on the $100k watch/$1m car. The $1m car. If you look at the cars being produced in that range, its the crazy hybrid drive hyper cars. These companies are pushing the limits of what can be done with gas and driving gear heads into magic pixie land (ie something that is ultimately more eco friendly). The use of carbon for chassis design and the stability tech are also fascinating. All of this tech eventually works its way down market (Remember Teslas are currently $100k, but coming down to $30ish soon). You may not love the guy showing off his status symbol, but you could at least appreciate that knowingly or not he supported the practical application of science. The watch and the property are slightly different stories. I would maintain that these purchases enable a transfer of wealth from the rich guy to others in the economy. Large estates require people to keep them running. Watches, jewelry or art require people with deep pockets to support the craftsman. Or luxury products that might not employ "craftsmen" still have deep supply chains that employ many people. Think about it as a scale problem. As a person becomes more successful, they typically generate wealth at an increasing rate. If we want that wealth to flow around the economy, the way the wealthy person spends their money also needs to change. I am not trying to make some larger argument about taxation, inequality or anything like that. I'm just trying to point out there are advantages to people with money spending it in large chunks.
The renewable energies building at Curtin Univeristy was a barren wasteland for years, now its securities office... I guess due to no funding. BP has know about climate change for years...
Hi Dave. I'm not trying to be rude here. I know this was just a conversation between you two, and you wanted to share it with us, so thanks for that! These videos was however "unwatchable" for me, as you were "interrupting" the other guy mid-sentence way to often for my liking. I know this is my problem. But I just wanted to let you know how I felt about the videos. Other than that; keep up the good work! :)
"Free" in this case means everyone has access to it regardless of their circumstances. Like universal health care. The "someone" is the people, just like the people's taxes pay for everything a government provides.
first 10 years in school was free for me. i didnt pay for it so it was free for me. now im at work and i pay taxes so kids from 6-16 years old can go to school for free. its free for them. books, pencils, paper, food, they dont have to pay for any of that.
Hooray, I love your socialistic view. Totally in tuned with you. Which is why I am pissed with people like the US Republican and their pro-rich tax policies.
EEVblog Should it be mandated that (politicians) only listen to authorities in the field. Hell no. I am telling that living in a socialist communist country, Brazil, where we are been destroyed by this communist LOW IQ populist politician! The thing is, democracy only works when we have a good and solid set of laws. Democracy is tyranny, it is good when the land have a good moral set of laws that restrict! - > Government and state power < -. Letting government listen to "authorities" only gives you more tyranny (in my country we have a lot of "authorities!" We are fighting now a working law from Fascist Mussolini era call CLT Consolidation of labor laws, and a lot of "authorities" say to the brasilian people that this laws are good... I wander if in US or Australia have something lake we have here.. The media is full of them... "authorities"), one good example is the IPCC. Complete FAKE and wrong in a lot of things BUT they give the WORLD a set of rules about a lot of thing that difficult or blocks human development. Can you think human society now days with out petrol?
theory of evolution is made of different pieces, rejecting it at a hole is wrong, same as accepting it. ask a mathematician about it, probability isn't at it side.
Homeopathy ain't fake Dave. Don't talk like ur a doctor now!. Homeopathy, physiotherapy, yoga & ayurveda actually work. Now for asking for homeopathy to work like allopathy is like asking a multimeter to be an oscilloscope!.
You and Shahriar have certainly influenced me and my channel!
As a person who is trying to learn from UA-cam they both have lots to learn from you Allen ! ( I am talking about HOW to pass knowledge to a third party).
Incredible, my three favorite youtubers all involved in one video. keep up the fantastic work, all three of you.
About debunking: There was a German HiFi magazine that tested LAN-cables about 10-15 years ago, and they actually stated that they could hear a difference depending on which LAN cable was used for a digital audio stream, which is totally ridiculous, because the 1s and 0s of a digital signal are always the same, and as long as a LAN cable doesn't lose any data (which would make it rather unfit to be a LAN cable), the signal is exactly the same. It was a great LOL among the electronics and computer community, because it was so laughable, they actually tested the more expensive cables to have a better sound than the cheaper ones. We all rolled on the floor laughing when that one came out, and it was a running gag long time after...
It’s extremely difficult to debunk politics related bad science because the people that believe it need to believe it to support other beliefs they hold, and big money takes advantage of them for capital gains by playing into this. I live in the southern United States were this problem is prevalent and the result is devastating, it’s becoming a near 3rd world area, no healthcare, no jobs because education is shunned and people are actually voting against their own interests willingly. The biggest problem is the assault on trust, making everyone with an opinion equal and discounting the true authorities in their respective feilds is the most egregious attack on humanity.
Thank you, guys! It is always pleasure to listen to a clever people. EEV and SP are my favorite youtube channels :)
The world definitely needs more Shahriars and Daves. Cheers guys for the informal talks over these 3 parts!
Gentlemen, thank you so much for those videos. This is the kind of discussion that I absolutely love to have with learned people and in a way I wish I had been there!
I am an electrical engineer by training but have left the field over 25 years ago for a career in various networking and datacenter software companies. When I found Dave's channel, I slowly got sucked back in to electronics to the point today, where I'm working on open source designs that are being used by a few 100 people. I even start getting into what used to be completely out of my domain: analog electronics. (hey, it's not even as hard as I thought). I'm still watching the signal path in awe, slowly getting the idea that RF might not be magic in the end, but can be controlled by engineers :-)
So, thank you both for the depth of content. I'm learning a huge amount!
As for depth of content: I rather watch a longer video that takes the time to explain concepts than 7 minute vids that stay at a high level.
One of my favorite episodes: TSP #10 Tutorial on Waveform Shaping and Signal Constellation in an Optical Link
Shahriar for president :) Seriously, what an inspiring and down to earth person, made my day...
Shahriar is good in the electronics field but once he leaves it, his lack of understanding shows through. Example: Free health care. Look at all the issues on his YT video regarding his giving away of a $20 chinese component tester.
Some people don't comprehend the laws of economics very well.
Being good at science and understanding "how the world works" are often on opposite ends of the spectrum lol.
Most of the developed world has free healthcare. I came from a country with free health care. I don't see the connection with giving away things.
If it were in a country were the average citizen is healthy? Sure... But here in the states, with the past several decades of fast food bullshit food being shoved down a significant portion of the US via ignorant parents following the guidelines put forth by our bullshit FDA. *Zoom in on the food pyramid* Come on... Chronic health issues have been systematically worked into American society for decades, and now EVERYONE is paying for it while the medical industry, pharma industry, and now insurance industry are all lining their pockets.
You influenced me to start my channel, so I cannot agree more.
Wonderful wide-ranging discussion, you guys are making the web a better place, THANKS!
Shahriar, It really helps when we can get to know at least a little about one real normal person from Iran when we may be getting exposed to propaganda designed to direct our reactions. No, it is not your job to represent a whole country of various types of people but it is too easy to be lead down the path of "those others" when we don't have experience with another group. Thanks to both of you for all of your hard work putting videos together for us.
there are flat earthers all around the globe
I see Flat Earthers as a weird religious movement and nothing to do with hard science, and of course there is the conspiracy it's a psy-ops to spread misinformation which may or may not be true. The collective unconscious as Carl Jung said is a very powerful thing and can even sway even the most logical people.
It was a joke about flat earthers around the GLOBE. #freekekistan
Yeah flat earth normies.
This is amazing content, I really love it! I think you both should be talking about these subjects much more, especially Shahramian who seems to be very knowledgable (to avoid saying "wise" because of the negative connotation of this word). Please continue!
I watch both of you guys channels . I always learn something and enjoy watching the videos.
Thank you for doing more videos like this. It eases a lot of my anxiety to see that people I look up to and watch often share my beliefs so strongly, there are times I feel quite isolated and alone.
I've been trying to stop friends from believing in unscientific woowoo but it gets harder every day. A big trend I am seeing is that when people in my generation are losing their religion they are turning towards pseudoscience, alternative medicine, homeopathy, Reiki, Chakras, etc. Usually I think it is because they don't have a strong scientific background so once they lose their faith, it is easy to use that flawed logic and logical fallacies to latch onto something else. Often it feels like an uphill battle to try and debate, and the anxiety makes me afraid to talk to friends or get on social media in fear of telling people they are wrong, upsetting them, or ruining the reputation of my character as just a grumpy asshole.
It bothers me to see pseudoscience leave such a profound impact on people and how it can keep them from learning real science because they now have a "illusion of knowledge" as Hawking says. This illusion of knowledge keeps them from doing basic internet searches or solving problems to gain a larger understanding of a topic. Also when people learn something incorrectly through pseudoscience, it is much harder to relearn because you need to make new connections that can logically deduce why the previous information is wrong. I think the large appeal is because pseudoscience is often intuitive and is accompanied by graphical animations and videos like Spirit Science. Don't get me started on how Sacred Geometry has been taken over by the woowoo world.
Pseudoscience lacking the formal mathematical descriptions that take many hours of practice appeals to a wide audience who want things to be easy and as lazy as possible. One of the things I try and do is debunk the pseudoscience while trying to bring up the real science and why that fascinates me. For example, a friend was talking about the magical healing properties of Quartz because it vibrates at many frequencies which are somehow intune with pseudoscientific vibrations of humans. While saying this has no evidence and crystal healers are fake, I brought up that Quartz oscillators are in all sorts of electronics and many of them do save lives like Pacemakers. Blows my mind, but I think the "healing properties" left a stronger impression on them than reality. Reality is much more beautiful and amazing than some people's woowoo writings. It might be more difficult to understand, but the reward is so more much humbling and satisfying.
Sorry for the rant, but thanks for all you do Dave. These videos really do help. The electronics videos help keep me passionate about my career and hobbies, and these videos help me maintain my sanity and ensure that I'm doing the right thing.
I see the attention seeking children are out in force here. Maybe one day they will grow up but I am not holding my breath. Good balanced video. Well worth watching.
I read that as *Maybe one day they will grow some balls* regardless I concur. XD
Again. I have to let you both know that you guys are awesome. Love your videos.
As they say, I don't necessary agree with everything, but the conversation and the thinking process is definitely great to see
Hey guys... I want to thank you that you recorded this free talk :D this was the thing i needed to finally take the step to start recording videos what i like to do!!!!! For sure i do not have the knowledge yet about electronics to make videos about how some thing have to be done yet.. and maybe will never acquire that knowledge cuz im not a do things the proper way if you want to make it right... my style of living is 100% improvisation at the given moment.. what i mean is that i want to do something that i know i dont have the resources and the full knowledge to do it but try to do it with what i have on hand at that moment... most of the time the result is 100% WIN but when something put me to the "challenge" and just dont want to happen my way i feel like im looosing very much time to keep trying.. time that i cloud invest in learning how to do it by the book.... but in the long run these are the things from witch i have REALLY learned most about certain thing.. not that i dont after a fail i dont start from the beginning and invest again time to learn it properly ... but i already know what NOT to do and when i receive the full knowledge how i should do the certain thing and the resources that are needed my subconsciousness mind starts to think and how to optimize thing and ending up finishing the "job" a lot easier with less thing..
I dont know why i blab about this things right now :D maybe because when i start to learn a new thing most of the time there is some things that i cant find as proper information why and spending again alot of time searching info about some stupid thing that is skipped in most of the resources because everyone assume that if you look certain thing you have to know in :D:D:D:D:D
Thats the main reason why i like the eevblog so much.... it doesent matter what is the topic it start not from the beginning but from what caused that beginning :D
and from a lot of time i am thinking should i start to record videos not explaining theory or explaining examples or this kind of stuff but explaining what i do WRONG what errors i realised that i do and what i actually learn my own way... And you guys with this conversation make to do it already D:D:D:D just wondering should i make some kind of plan or just go with the flow :D buuut as i know my self that is stupid question :D
Thanks again!
Regards Rose V.
bla bla bla i have booooored my self already that i for a second i have a thought for pressing CANCEL buuuut..
Re: General educational vids, It is something that is sorely missing, videos from tubers like yourself that teach tough subjects without resorting to tough maths or things like that, something to sit along side the up coming generations favourites for the rest of us.
Can you explain why burning the tree is OK? If you let it decompose and don't burn it then surely what was burned would not have been released into the atmosphere?
Great conversation. What you are discussing are the values of education particularly in Science, Mathematics, Engineering. What a shame it is that so many people today learn about Mathematics or Science, for example, as a collection rules to be followed rather than as a way of thinking about things. In high school, where, unfortunately, many will take no more courses in Mathematics, they rarely learn about the fact that logic and mathematical facts are being used to deepen understanding. And these are the very skills that are needed all the time to make sense of what one hears or reads in today's world. Engineering classes, and others, then take this notion to a whole new level.
Thanks for the video. Same here in bad Germany. I fully agree to you. Thank you.
"If the kids watch this stuff it says more about the kids than it does about me" news presenter in Harvester, an old PC DOS game, I do agree that the up coming generation are having all kinds of difficulties detecting lies.
Although I agree with most of what you guys are saying, I'm sorry to debunk one of your debunks, but I had terrible allergies for most of my life and, to my amazement, Homeopathy actually got rid of my allergies. I was finally able to breathe through my nose properly like everyone else and actually experience a real sense of smell.
It'was not immediate. It took about six months.
It's been about 20 years now and I am still fine.
Politician != Scientist
One of the best talks I've seen since years, on the spot for so many important topics. I will make a "Science should not be based on authority" sticker for my car. ;o) As you talked about feelings, I feel the mean peaked somewhen in the 90s. Since then humanity seems to degenerate somehow.
Great discussion. Very inspiring. More of this stuff, Dave. Thanks. Cheers! :)
Shahriar Shahramian appears to be a very smart and wise person.
10:28 "Question everything." Investigate what you are being told.
(Shahriar Shahramian from The Signal Path)
Regarding rebutr, look into web annotations. In Feb this year W3C published recommendations, eventually it will be built in the browser.
Let's just hope it doesn't go the way of Verisign's Internet Keywords project...
It's not so much the teaching but encouraging the wish to learn.
Critical thinking skills are probably the best thing to teach kids along with reading and math skills IMO. I am so glad my parents taught me critical thinking, because as a kid my schools did not.
One thing about teaching is the lack of a person's willingness to learn. I work at an small town ISP and deal with many different customers asking for support. I have 70 year old's that are almost there but just can't quite figure it out, and when I show them how to do it, they write it down and learn (my favorite customers). Then on the complete opposite of the scale we have 20 year old's that come in and just want us to do it and don't have any concern about learning. Then two weeks later they call in for the same exact thing. So frustrating for me some days.
Methane from our industry of farms, is a much bigger issue than CO2, imo.
imo? and that's where science starts:
First:
Can you find data to back your claim? How much methane is being injected? (should be an easy number to get) and how much of an impact does it make (much harder) But in the end, you'll come up with a hypothesis of how bovine methane impacts the atmosphere and with data to back your claim. Imo just says "I have done nothing of this, but it feels good to think this way".
Second:
Unless the proven impact of your stated effect is larger than the CO2 effect by order of two or three magnitudes, it does not invalidate reducing CO2 emissions. It would just prove it's a problem with multiple man made and natural causes and if that''s the case, we would be wise to work on reducing all those sources that we can impact rather than just saying "oh, it's the other one, let's wait for a little while longer".
Science is about getting out of your cosy "I know it already" zone and tackle the unknown, however uncomfortable it might turn out to be.
Unless you are climate scientist, no one should care what your opinion is.
This is UA-cam comment section... I didn't realize I was presenting a thesis on the current research into the implications of increasing atmospheric methane on our biosphere.
Ofcourse I can find data to back up my opinion or 'claim'.
science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/03/09/science.aad2705
www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-is-there-more-methane-in-the-atmosphere/
animres.edpsciences.org/articles/animres/abs/2000/03/z0305/z0305.html
Are putting for the notion that 'CO2 is worse for our atmosphere than methane'?
www.edf.org/methane-other-important-greenhouse-gas?gclid=Cj0KEQjw6LXIBRCUqIjXmdKBxZUBEiQA_f50PkZgdqGaHz43bx8ur0eNd_8ExGnavuveNA4aq0Svm4YaAjLW8P8HAQ
Question there is, what makes a climate scientist? Seemingly a qualification or job in meteorology does not, so what is the criterion?
As for methane, the absorbtion spectra of the various gases are readily available online, and seem to indicate that methane would not be a major greenhouse gas. Now I might not be a climate scientist but I do understand spectroscopy and have used such equipment, so I think I'm qualified to comment on that aspect of climatology.
If the facts don't add up then it's up to the proposer of the theory to account for that. If they cannot, the theory gets filed in the round filing tray on the floor. It matters not who points out the discrepancy or what their qualifications are (or are not).
I think the repetition of this methane 'extreme potency' claim also underlines the issue that if something is repeated often enough on the Internet, people start believing it without even checking the facts. They just assume that because it's printed everywhere, it must be correct. In this case the facts are readily available for anyone willing to seek them out.
Methane has an atmospheric half life of only 10-15 years. It is degraded by many factors including bacteria and fire. If the farms weren't there wild animals would be. On the other hand simply coating all the roofs in warm climates white would offset the heating effect of the CO2 released by every car in the USA. Not paving vast areas or running billions of street lamps all night for cars that already have headlight would have similar impacts.
Excellent discussion. I wish I could have been there to add my own supporting comments.
I am in the Pro Audio Service Industry... the Audiophile... I have some stories on this topic! especially when related to audio path modifications....
great video, as always, however the links "down below" promised aren't there. Maybe I missed something?
Hi Dave, you proposed the question if we would live in a society where all the bullshits gone and I think it should happen. Look at the Amazon Echo. Its safe to assume that within 10 years that PA devices will be used to tutor kids and maybe even outright teach them. And they'll be able to help debunk sources of wrong information by doing the legwork in finding articles.
This stuff is gold dust, you guys should do this more often. Thanks Dave for sharing this guy with us, I will be following him.
Surprise (un-surprising) plug for Sam Harris's podcast. I totally agree - it's a constant example of courageous conversations.
I went and listened to 5 minutes of one of his podcasts. His guest stated that the Russians hacked the election but offered not one piece of proof. There is no proof because it did not happen. Hillary was a bad candidate.
Aren't there quite some double-blind studies about audio-mishearings? I'm shure there's one of tube vs. transistor. Great Video btw., I didn't realize that money doesn't really exist in Star Trek (besides for the Ferengi).
A fascinating discussion between two clever blokes. Electronic engineering and science in general can improve our lives, however it can be the cause of some of the problems we are experiencing at the present.
For instance the manufacture of gadget's ( hells bells, how many Arduino development boards do we need! : ) ) and the gross consumerism that as a result contributes to climate change. The invention of more and more chemical's that cause harm to the environment, and of coarse the invention of the internet; a great tool for learning, but also a potential tool for social control and manipulation. It's all about application.
It would be better if a lot more scientist's responsible for discoveries could spare more thought to their eventual application. This does seem to happening, with some companies using anthropological studies as part of the design process.
It was good to see that you touched on politics Dave. Couldn't agree more that voters have a responsibility to educate themselves instead of believing the BS politician's spout.
Peter Joseph makes some good points, though I don't agree with all he sais in his series of lectures, a Culture in Decline - ua-cam.com/video/bTbLslkIR2k/v-deo.html
BTW Dave, you didn't link in was it Sam Harris's "lecture"
Thanks again for an excellent video.
What happens when the Authority becomes Political? That is the dilemma we are faced with today. Who gets to say who or what the Authority is? As much maligned as Capitalism is these days it has proven with Free Markets to be the one method of sorting out what works from what does not work. In the truest sense it is the one proven method of establishing Authority.
Oh Arrival is cool in so many aspects. I did enjoy it, too.
The audiophile argument...or the law of diminishing returns...or why a pair of Magico Q7s can't be that much better than a pair of B&W 803s...
Why does this video seem to start so abruptly? I just finished the first video of this series and this one seems out of sequence.
It was shot as one long continuous discussion jumping back and forth about stuff. We did not have a plan before we pressed record. I thought it better to separate into topics.
Ah, ok. Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss a second :)
As technical people you should know plants consist of chemical substances and therefore can be used as medicins. Homeopathy is a science not less (or even more) then electronics. research is being done to use plants as memory cells as the ability of miniaturing of transistors (Moor's law) is reaching an end.
You can debunk audiophile bunk with double-blind studies. Let the person making the claim be the subject.
Without the profit motive how could humanity be assured of innovative research into improved weapons of mass destruction, and what nutcase said "Beware the Military Industrial Complex."
rebutr appears to be dead - at least it cannot be installed from the link on their homepage into Firefox on WIndows 10.
The wonderful thing about being a human is having the right to choose whatever crazy beliefs that help one through the day. Can you imagine, some people don't even believe in god! The fools, everyone knows God is an eleventh dimension humanoid living right here on earth, right next to us. God is all around.
Don't be ridiculous, god is a flying spaghetti monster!
God is alive and well, but engaged on a less ambitious project.
Outstanding discussion. I am late watching this but love the dialog. Especially the climate change. To me it is common sense that burning fossil fuels is bad and am not sure how anyone can oppose that. However I am so dismayed at the political aspect of it that I am an anti climate change person. Not because of the science, I believe most of it is true but the idiotic way in which politicians leverage it to their own gain and not to scientific solutions. Also the amount of money in that arena is so great that corruption and cronyism is rampant. I would love to see scientific reviews of real life solutions not just the doomsday scenario's always presented.
WRONG. You can trivially debunk audiophiles by doing a double-blind trial with the first willing audiophile you can get your hands on. The problem is with the "willing" part for you I suppose.
Exactly. Not a single one of them was even willing to try and claim James Randi's $1M prize if they could hear the difference.
stop talking over him Dave, you invited him?
Politicians should be required to only listen to the church and not a nut case like 'Galileo Galilei'.
Where is Shahriar Science Video? Thanks
santicomp
search for the signal path on UA-cam. his channel is the BEST electronics channel if you want to learn real things as he goes trough both theory as well as practical measurements.
rbutr is an un-verified plugin. Emsisoft (a very reputable AV authority is blocking it). Even firefox is not allowing it to be installed. I can't get it's source code, so my scientific thinking is telling me it may not be safe. . Has anyone who has personally used it determined whether it's safe?. Is there anyone here from the CS field who can tell me with reason this is safe?.
Shahriar said it was a great piece of software. Another line of BS out of his mouth.
Nahh ridicule just makes them fight harder for their stupid point of view - now they need to prove they are not worthy of your ridicule (which becomes more important to them then the original argument).
IME it works great.
EEVblog In the Batteroo/ Solar road cases it wouldn't make a difference as they have no choice but to stick to their claims. They are hardly going to agree that they misled their investors! I suppose ridicule warns potential customers but it would still be better without it IMHO
Speaks of people who advocate action due to their low EQ, then making the statement that they feel there is a harmful growing wealth gap... priceless.
The wealth distribution in every free or semi free market adheres to the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution,[yes the thermodynamic hoopajoop] even those societies that have been artificially started with very flat distributions revert to the M-B dist within about three generations. The thing that has happened recently is that the whole of society has had a large increase in wealth that lifted all parts of the curve and gives the impression of a widening gap when it effectively nothing more than multiplying each level.(eg 2 and 6 becomes 2*2 and 2*6)
This is not to say that there is no distortion happening ,but that the distortion is not simply the product of some being born into wealth. Rather the main distortion is direct manipulation of the central monetary systems via purposeful inflation, regulatory capture, and various tax funded financial instruments.(the details are far too long to list here) IOW the "regulating" bodies themselves are created and operated by those the bodies superficially pretend to dampen, much the same as voting is used to give an illusion of control and thus prevent peasant uprisings.
Econ is a subject very poorly taught and understood in the general population but, thanks to slick political types, everyone parrots lame propaganda soundbite and imagines themselves well qualified. When I say general population I do mean general, all levels of IQ and income, unlike many other subjects where there are some strong statistical correlations.
All you have to do to know that you are not being lied to is to only watch Fox News. That's what I do.
Perception is different science field it is rather psychology than electronics :)
Thanks for the video. Extremely inspiring. keep up the good work guys. thanks.
Oooh, Trust no one, question everything... nice...
Guys loving the conversation! Im feeling compelled to comment on the $100k watch/$1m car. The $1m car. If you look at the cars being produced in that range, its the crazy hybrid drive hyper cars. These companies are pushing the limits of what can be done with gas and driving gear heads into magic pixie land (ie something that is ultimately more eco friendly). The use of carbon for chassis design and the stability tech are also fascinating. All of this tech eventually works its way down market (Remember Teslas are currently $100k, but coming down to $30ish soon). You may not love the guy showing off his status symbol, but you could at least appreciate that knowingly or not he supported the practical application of science.
The watch and the property are slightly different stories. I would maintain that these purchases enable a transfer of wealth from the rich guy to others in the economy. Large estates require people to keep them running. Watches, jewelry or art require people with deep pockets to support the craftsman. Or luxury products that might not employ "craftsmen" still have deep supply chains that employ many people.
Think about it as a scale problem. As a person becomes more successful, they typically generate wealth at an increasing rate. If we want that wealth to flow around the economy, the way the wealthy person spends their money also needs to change.
I am not trying to make some larger argument about taxation, inequality or anything like that. I'm just trying to point out there are advantages to people with money spending it in large chunks.
"science".... the Bill Nye kind of "Science"...
If Jesus appears in 20 to 30 years and god fixes everything. Do we need science? I agree its a dangerous position to have.
We should be driving tesla cars, not being polluted with NOx fumes, not flogging coal and slagging off wind and solar.
The renewable energies building at Curtin Univeristy was a barren wasteland for years, now its securities office... I guess due to no funding. BP has know about climate change for years...
but things that fact check stuff is also not right because these people also have bias and who will fact check the fact checkers
Hi Dave. I'm not trying to be rude here. I know this was just a conversation between you two, and you wanted to share it with us, so thanks for that!
These videos was however "unwatchable" for me, as you were "interrupting" the other guy mid-sentence way to often for my liking. I know this is my problem. But I just wanted to let you know how I felt about the videos.
Other than that; keep up the good work! :)
Hey Dave, did you vote for Julia Gillard? #justasking
No, but I thought it was a pretty cool that we had a female red headed atheist Prime Minister.
Even cooler if she is a lesbian. I sure hope she is a lesbian.
Look at the non-verbale movement!
yeah right. it's very apparent from minute 9:02 onwards ...
Is that good or bad?
Joop: There was a lot of non verbal antics going on. Crossing of arms is a dead give away by both of them was very interesting.
teemo hentai.
"Free Education" . . . . *someone* has to pay for it.
"Free" in this case means everyone has access to it regardless of their circumstances. Like universal health care.
The "someone" is the people, just like the people's taxes pay for everything a government provides.
first 10 years in school was free for me. i didnt pay for it so it was free for me. now im at work and i pay taxes so kids from 6-16 years old can go to school for free. its free for them. books, pencils, paper, food, they dont have to pay for any of that.
Cable lifters... lol
do you know what they call homeopathy that works?? Its called medicine!
Hooray, I love your socialistic view. Totally in tuned with you. Which is why I am pissed with people like the US Republican and their pro-rich tax policies.
rbutr doesn't work. won't load the plugin on any browser no matter what I do. waste of time. God how i hate this kind of s/w garbage...
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EEVblog Should it be mandated that (politicians) only listen to authorities in the field.
Hell no. I am telling that living in a socialist communist country, Brazil, where we are been destroyed by this communist LOW IQ populist politician! The thing is, democracy only works when we have a good and solid set of laws. Democracy is tyranny, it is good when the land have a good moral set of laws that restrict! - > Government and state power < -. Letting government listen to "authorities" only gives you more tyranny (in my country we have a lot of "authorities!" We are fighting now a working law from Fascist Mussolini era call CLT Consolidation of labor laws, and a lot of "authorities" say to the brasilian people that this laws are good... I wander if in US or Australia have something lake we have here.. The media is full of them... "authorities"), one good example is the IPCC. Complete FAKE and wrong in a lot of things BUT they give the WORLD a set of rules about a lot of thing that difficult or blocks human development. Can you think human society now days with out petrol?
theory of evolution is made of different pieces, rejecting it at a hole is wrong, same as accepting it. ask a mathematician about it, probability isn't at it side.
Complete crap. Water is wet. BS is bad. Wow, genius.
Homeopathy ain't fake Dave. Don't talk like ur a doctor now!. Homeopathy, physiotherapy, yoga & ayurveda actually work. Now for asking for homeopathy to work like allopathy is like asking a multimeter to be an oscilloscope!.
Please explain to us how Homeopathy works and go right ahead and embarrasses yourself some more....