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Better title: FromSoft's FIRST attempt at horror. The Echo Nights series is their oldest attempt at horror games, but its not their ONLY ONE. There is still Kuon, which is extremely hard to get your hands on and it's freaking obscure. On the topic of Echo Nights, I should mention that in future games they keep reusing several elements even when it makes no sense: - Haunted Location full of ghosts you have to help - Downfall is tied to that Dagger with the stone attached - Dagger = Cursed Philosopher's stone (some sort of wish granting bulls). - Protagonist of first game is same for all games - Female Lead will be the same in future games but relationship status will change.
Yeah, motifs and archetypes. Its right to treat each game as its own story with similar elements, not direct connects. but as much as he hates this story, he'll use it as another point for "overdone, trite fantasy tropes"
@@Tman2bard I think this game series suffers in the future cus they keep reusing the SAME protagonist and female lead even when history wise, they shouldn't be alive. They just happened to exist at the same time and the dagger is involved
Wait, hang on, I think this is a game I've been trying to track down for years now! I remember that there was a video game magazine I had that had an article on this game, and I have been trying on and off to figure out what the hell game it was for ages because I haven't been able to remember/track down what magazine it was actually featured in. This literally has all the things I remember in it, collecting the astral pieces, a boat as the primary setting, a mention that there were a limited number of curing potions, and a mention of three possible endings where you got the best ending by collecting all the astral pieces and not taking the knife... When I clicked on this video I was not expecting to answer a lingering question like this. I guess I too will be able to pass on and hand off an astral piece to you for this video.
Man you’re lucky to get an answer in a form of a video essay I remember searching of an old game myself from memories but the only thing I remember is that the game have an elf woman that eat a lot.
Personally- I don't see much of an issue with the Bad thing, Good thing plot element. Sometimes you just need a good pair of MacGuffins to write a tragedy for every victim involved in the chase for them- whether directly or just caught in the wake. BUT GOD FUCK THE CASINO FUCK IT TO HELL
If you're looking to lay the dead to rest with a stronger story, the Blackwell series is pretty great. They're basically mysteries where you need to discover the ghost's name and the circumstances behind their death to help them move on.
I was just trying to remember the name of these games, I had just a years old vague visual in my mind!! Thank you, stranger with great taste in games 🙏
i decided as soon as i saw your first video that any ben again upload would be an instant 'put everything down and watch' and i'm glad i did! i had a super long day today and this video came out at exactly the right time. it, like usual, was super entertaining and fun to watch - well done!
I had no idea FromSoft made a horror game. Kinda like you mentioned the concept is really interesting! I'm embarrassed honestly, I've had been working on a game myself and my concepts for gameplay are fairly similar. Still a pretty neat game though, story was weird, every time you said Henry and William I kept thinking of Fnaf. Anyways, great video, I really like the vibe of this one. It was super chill and just really nice to watch.
Feels very weird to harp on "overused" fantasy tropes in a game that came out in 1998. Especially while acknowledging the era when it comes to the control scheme. Going from your other videos to this, it felt very jarring how vehemently upset you were about fantasy tropes being overused in a game from 1998. Good video otherwise, though
Oh, now i know why this game sounded so familiar. It's because way back when the SBFP played the sequel Echo Night: Beyond for the the Halloween series they used to do. Seemed like an interesting game; Your heartbeat being a healthbar of sorts, it taking place on the moon, etc.
Words cannot express my shock hearing the words "collab with blue archive" after "world of warships" Anyway, great video! From's older library is always fun to explore
When you said that Echo Night is a horror mystery game and described the game play, it reminded me of the Spirit Hunter series (Death Mark, Spirit Hunter:NG, Shibito Magire/Death Mark 2)
Ben... based on what you said about Echo Night... you NEED to play Farewell Planet. It's a beautiful game where you go & fulfill the final wishes of all the robots (people? its never really made clear) in a village before taking them to pass on. It's a very short game (~4 hours I think), but its absolutely amazing. It has an incredible art style... It's just a really awesome game that is not talked about nearly enough!! (It's by the creator of BOKURA, by the way! That's how I found it :-])
Echo Nights is by far one of my favorite horror games. It has been in my mind since I was a child and I still love the concept of it. Thank you for your review. The King Section still is a personal enjoyment from me cause I quote Gwen Stefani 'I was talking Sh*T and I didn't think that he would hear me' *Breaks lights* 'Fair enough. I am no longer safe.'
Ben, when playing old games that were made literally before the 2000s don't expect an original plot XD literally most games, even back then, followed popular trends to get players to engage this is literally like the 2nd or 3rd time you get annoyed at an "unoriginal" plot when the game is so old
I honestly named every ghost i encountered after freeing them, and since there’s 26 of em, Yeah I used the alphabet. I’ll come back if I can find my old list
i can assure you the casino is far less difficult on actual hardware. you can literally just pause and unpause the game to stop the roulet wheel when you want
5:05 So it's the tired cliche of evil spirits being scared of the light. Although I guess it makes sense. If people are instinctually scared of the dark I suppose it's only fitting that the things that scare us would be afraid of the light.
LET'S GOOOOOOO us Echo Night fans eating with this! Echo Night is one of my favourite games of all time. I absolutely adore its sad and melancholic atmosphere.
Not sure if you’ve played any of the Clocktower games, but the third one is very similar. It has a lot of similar gameplay elements like lavender water as health and finding items to help ghosts move on.
i remember watching a playthrough of this game years ago, good game, about as scary as could be expected of a PS1 game (ambiguous origami foes), jfc tank controls (curse of the console, nothing to be done) narrative is a bit confusing at times but i still enjoyed it
I know how fromsoftware fans tend to over-speculate how every game they made was used to make the following ones but like to think that the dungeons in elden ring where you have to lure invincible shadow versions of basic enemies into a light in order to fight them was inspired by this game
Most games are very much learning lessons and adapting what you learned to your next game in production. Studios have obvious throughlines and quirks with their works. Fromsoft has had a Patches style character since Shadow Tower Abyss and it's been one of the funniest things to see people notice. Once you notice that, you start to notice a lot of the smaller things.
I’d love to see fromsoft take the engines they used for the dark souls games, bloodborne, Elden ring, and sekiro to make horror games i promise they’d either make bangers or a….admirable attempt
Great video as always! You should totally check out Dementium: the ward if you haven't! Short little survival horror on the DS thats far from perfect but surprisingly effective. It has a sequel too that I haven't played yet!
oh this is a game that just begs for a remake.... really sad it's near impossible for it to get one 😭. Will we be seeing vids ab the other games? tbh i'm curious if the story got better or not
Funnily Enough, Every other PS1 Fromsoft game shares these controls. Both Armored Core and Kings Field would keep them into the PS2 as well, with Armored Core 3 being the first to let you even use the left analog stick for movement, and later still till Armored Core Nexus to even give you proper dual analog control. Fromsoft did not want these games easy, even back then XD
This weirdly reminded me of at dead of night. Even though you don't exactly help the ghost, but more so they help you. Not sure if you've played it but that's a light suggestion for you if you're looking for something to make a video on. because even if we mention the other Echo nights, and even Kuon, we KNOW these games will be hard to come by, being that they are extremely rare games.
Hey hen I'm a huge fan, and I wonder if you could check out the forbidden siren duology for the ps2, its a great horror game and I consider it to be one of the best horror games
Will you consider making a video on the game "Antumbra"? its a text-based horror game that was so weird and interesting I spent way too long just trying to find a playthrough of it.(I couldn't remember the name). I recently remembered it and found out that the dev is working on a sequel. I hope that you at least consider checking it out, it's so unique and disappoints me that such a game will be forgotten after all these years.
Always good seeing some old horror games get some love. Funnily the ps1 had 2 eras without the joystick then with. Obviously the one with came later down the line due to the games like ape escape and Metal gear solid. Tho still charming seeing how it looks without
Nice job on this video! I enjoyed seeing this game from a different perspective. While I can't change how you feel, I personally disagree that popular tropes = bad story. It's a bit cartoon-y, sure, but I wouldn't say it's awful. I think it's important to note that this game is 26 years old, when some of these tropes weren't quite as overdone. In addition, I feel that cutting out a lot of the fluff in this game takes a lot away from the story.
I love seeing old PlayStation games!- makes me think about what I had missed since I was either too young or not born yet to play these games…I still can’t believe I am even an adult now at college and never played these old games!- …Third time- could you consider playing Purple from Scopophobia Studios?- it has a rating of 17+ but it isn’t even that bad- I know you have played games like The Hanging Man so I think it would be possible you could play this too!- I think you would like it and it’s from only two people!-
"Really overdone plot set up" Yeah, it was made in 1998. Its a trope that's been around. Just cuz its overdone doesn't make it boring. cutting out a lot of that fluff explains a shit ton of what the stone actually is. You'll see a lot of it in its 2 sequels. Also, I don't think you can call it survival horror when theres no actual survival mechanics and rationing of supplies
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Can you do Greggory Horror Show: Soul Collector (PS2) pretty please?
hopefully we see Kuon/Haunting Ground on here 🙏
Please talk about Don't Escape 4!!
this was awesome! do you plan to do reviews on the echo night sequels or maybe some underloved survival horror games like The Suffering? or Cold Fear?
instantly oh god a man named Henry trying to stop an evil man named William sounds all too familiar
Mattpatt intensifies.
I'm not saying a red and blue stone make a familiar color, but we may have just found the man behind the slaughter
At least there's no robot animals involved
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@@A__random__nerd Aside from that one mechanical crow lol
Better title: FromSoft's FIRST attempt at horror.
The Echo Nights series is their oldest attempt at horror games, but its not their ONLY ONE. There is still Kuon, which is extremely hard to get your hands on and it's freaking obscure.
On the topic of Echo Nights, I should mention that in future games they keep reusing several elements even when it makes no sense:
- Haunted Location full of ghosts you have to help
- Downfall is tied to that Dagger with the stone attached
- Dagger = Cursed Philosopher's stone (some sort of wish granting bulls).
- Protagonist of first game is same for all games
- Female Lead will be the same in future games but relationship status will change.
Yeah, motifs and archetypes. Its right to treat each game as its own story with similar elements, not direct connects. but as much as he hates this story, he'll use it as another point for "overdone, trite fantasy tropes"
@@Tman2bard I think this game series suffers in the future cus they keep reusing the SAME protagonist and female lead even when history wise, they shouldn't be alive. They just happened to exist at the same time and the dagger is involved
It’s more like the “Laura” situation from D than ACTUALLY being the same person.
@@adamvancleave9200 yeah, I always feel like they reused the same woman in later games
@@ladylunaginaofgames40 again, none of the games are in the same timeline. Names, items, concepts are reused
Babe, wake up, Ben Again is playing another criminally underrated game
Wait, hang on, I think this is a game I've been trying to track down for years now! I remember that there was a video game magazine I had that had an article on this game, and I have been trying on and off to figure out what the hell game it was for ages because I haven't been able to remember/track down what magazine it was actually featured in.
This literally has all the things I remember in it, collecting the astral pieces, a boat as the primary setting, a mention that there were a limited number of curing potions, and a mention of three possible endings where you got the best ending by collecting all the astral pieces and not taking the knife...
When I clicked on this video I was not expecting to answer a lingering question like this. I guess I too will be able to pass on and hand off an astral piece to you for this video.
Man you’re lucky to get an answer in a form of a video essay
I remember searching of an old game myself from memories but the only thing I remember is that the game have an elf woman that eat a lot.
Personally- I don't see much of an issue with the Bad thing, Good thing plot element. Sometimes you just need a good pair of MacGuffins to write a tragedy for every victim involved in the chase for them- whether directly or just caught in the wake.
BUT GOD FUCK THE CASINO FUCK IT TO HELL
Yeah, I don't really see an issue with it either. The magical/cursed MacGuffin(s) is less of a cliche and more of a convention.
Agreed!
2:37 Like how plush ben stares into your soul...
If you're looking to lay the dead to rest with a stronger story, the Blackwell series is pretty great. They're basically mysteries where you need to discover the ghost's name and the circumstances behind their death to help them move on.
I was just trying to remember the name of these games, I had just a years old vague visual in my mind!! Thank you, stranger with great taste in games 🙏
@mercermatcha4328 thank you 😁 glad it helped you out!
It's Ben!!! Again!!!
2:30 - THERE HE IS IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER
The true horror
AAAAAAAH
theres Ben, again.
You can run, but you can’t hide from plush Ben, again
Considering how old this game is, maybe the tropes it used weren't overused back then?
NEW BEN VIDEO LET'S GOOOO,
I sadly must sleep first, then watch it after my wake. To state though, never expected Echo Night to appear here! :D
With the amount of puzzle horror ghost games Ben has played and reviewed he might as well be in one of
He might as well make one of
i decided as soon as i saw your first video that any ben again upload would be an instant 'put everything down and watch' and i'm glad i did! i had a super long day today and this video came out at exactly the right time. it, like usual, was super entertaining and fun to watch - well done!
Always makes my day when I watch one of you in depth review on a game.
"Small red LEDs"...
Those are probably tiny bulbs like what you'll find in an oven. =P
wait, dark souls isn't a horror game? /j
Bloodborne definitely is a horror game
No, masochist game. Like "welcome to the game" or "crypt of necrodancer" (only the latter if you try 100%)
@@echothesilent4693No, no. Trying to 100% Crypt of the Necrodancer isn't masochism; it's a crime against humanity.
@@echothesilent4693 ah, i know! i was joking lol
Idk I'd say Dark Souls is pretty horrifying. Not just the monsters, but the concepts as well.
The idea of hopping around time and space to help people would be explored again by FromSoft in 2018's _Deracine._
I had no idea FromSoft made a horror game. Kinda like you mentioned the concept is really interesting! I'm embarrassed honestly, I've had been working on a game myself and my concepts for gameplay are fairly similar. Still a pretty neat game though, story was weird, every time you said Henry and William I kept thinking of Fnaf.
Anyways, great video, I really like the vibe of this one. It was super chill and just really nice to watch.
yoooo i was just watching some of your other videos and this one just popped up! instantly clicked
Feels very weird to harp on "overused" fantasy tropes in a game that came out in 1998. Especially while acknowledging the era when it comes to the control scheme. Going from your other videos to this, it felt very jarring how vehemently upset you were about fantasy tropes being overused in a game from 1998. Good video otherwise, though
He pulls this shit a lot honestly, and it makes you wonder why he plays them if he is just going to nitpick them like that
Oh, now i know why this game sounded so familiar. It's because way back when the SBFP played the sequel Echo Night: Beyond for the the Halloween series they used to do. Seemed like an interesting game; Your heartbeat being a healthbar of sorts, it taking place on the moon, etc.
Words cannot express my shock hearing the words "collab with blue archive" after "world of warships"
Anyway, great video! From's older library is always fun to explore
Indeed. I have been flabbergasted.
my bigger shock is hearing Ben Again talking about Blue Archive
love that echo night has the same default control scheme as armored core.
It’s the Echo night because there is an echo in the night!
When you said that Echo Night is a horror mystery game and described the game play, it reminded me of the Spirit Hunter series (Death Mark, Spirit Hunter:NG, Shibito Magire/Death Mark 2)
The most brtual and horrifying game Fromsoft ever made.
The Adventures of Cookie and Cream.
YOOO! I FUCKING LOVED WHEN NITRO RAD COVERED THIS! TIME TO WATCH!
As a huge from soft fan you have no idea how fast I clicked this video
Hell yeah, Echo Night mentioned
I only ever played Echo Night Beyond, the one on the moon
BEN AGAIN UPLOAD LETS GOOOOOOO
A new ben again video i love his content (and the group videos)
there he goes, ben again... killing it as always.
Yo Ben, I think you´ll really like "I´m Scared"
(also nice plushy at 2:28 of yourself)
Cool I love that more people are covering the More obscure fromsoft titles because they all look really interesting.
Ben... based on what you said about Echo Night... you NEED to play Farewell Planet. It's a beautiful game where you go & fulfill the final wishes of all the robots (people? its never really made clear) in a village before taking them to pass on. It's a very short game (~4 hours I think), but its absolutely amazing. It has an incredible art style... It's just a really awesome game that is not talked about nearly enough!! (It's by the creator of BOKURA, by the way! That's how I found it :-])
LOVE BEN AGAIN LETSS GOWW
Echo Nights is by far one of my favorite horror games. It has been in my mind since I was a child and I still love the concept of it. Thank you for your review. The King Section still is a personal enjoyment from me cause I quote Gwen Stefani 'I was talking Sh*T and I didn't think that he would hear me' *Breaks lights* 'Fair enough. I am no longer safe.'
I bought this as a used copy from Blockbuster Video as a kid. Never figured out what to do, but I loved it lol
The Ben has again has come from his den to bless us when we needed it, now rather than then
Ben, when playing old games that were made literally before the 2000s don't expect an original plot XD literally most games, even back then, followed popular trends to get players to engage
this is literally like the 2nd or 3rd time you get annoyed at an "unoriginal" plot when the game is so old
I honestly named every ghost i encountered after freeing them, and since there’s 26 of em, Yeah I used the alphabet. I’ll come back if I can find my old list
That sounds epic
i can assure you the casino is far less difficult on actual hardware. you can literally just pause and unpause the game to stop the roulet wheel when you want
Nice to see another hotel dusk room 215 enjoyer.
Late night binge! Lets go!!!
I LOVE YOU BEN YOU PLAY THE BEST UNDERRATED VIDEO GAMES (when you post once a blue moon)
5:05 So it's the tired cliche of evil spirits being scared of the light. Although I guess it makes sense. If people are instinctually scared of the dark I suppose it's only fitting that the things that scare us would be afraid of the light.
banger video ben from video games
You ever thought about doing a Famicom Detective Club game with the new one coming out soon?
Hey I was wondering if you have ever played The Count Lucanor or Yuppie Psycho
EARLY TO WATCH BEN ONCE AGAIN!!! LETSGOO!
LET'S GOOOOOOO us Echo Night fans eating with this! Echo Night is one of my favourite games of all time. I absolutely adore its sad and melancholic atmosphere.
5:39 Had LEDs been invented yet in 1913?
8:34
he sounds JUST like the radio announcer in P.T.
babe wake up new ben again video just dropped
Not sure if you’ve played any of the Clocktower games, but the third one is very similar. It has a lot of similar gameplay elements like lavender water as health and finding items to help ghosts move on.
i remember watching a playthrough of this game years ago, good game, about as scary as could be expected of a PS1 game (ambiguous origami foes), jfc tank controls (curse of the console, nothing to be done)
narrative is a bit confusing at times but i still enjoyed it
From soft before Miyazaki was so interesting
It's certainly a topic worth it's own video by someone
So... Echo Night 2 (alt) & Beyond are next I can assume?
I know how fromsoftware fans tend to over-speculate how every game they made was used to make the following ones but like to think that the dungeons in elden ring where you have to lure invincible shadow versions of basic enemies into a light in order to fight them was inspired by this game
Most games are very much learning lessons and adapting what you learned to your next game in production. Studios have obvious throughlines and quirks with their works. Fromsoft has had a Patches style character since Shadow Tower Abyss and it's been one of the funniest things to see people notice. Once you notice that, you start to notice a lot of the smaller things.
@@Tman2bard Indeed
Oh hell. I played Echo night beyond. I remember that frustrating pos now.
That's... Really weird. I just binge-watched a playthrough of Echo Night 1&2 three days ago out of the blue.
Now I simply wonder if youll be tackling the other games in the series as well
ECHO NIGHT VIDEO LETS GOO
I’d love to see fromsoft take the engines they used for the dark souls games, bloodborne, Elden ring, and sekiro to make horror games i promise they’d either make bangers or a….admirable attempt
You missed Demon Souls ,when talking about Dark Souls!
this is the darksouls of horror games **cue laugh track**
Wait till u talk about the other 2 Echo Nights
hang on... Henry? William?
Freddy Fazbear?
The peak fromsoft game is metal wolf chaos
Great video as always!
You should totally check out Dementium: the ward if you haven't! Short little survival horror on the DS thats far from perfect but surprisingly effective. It has a sequel too that I haven't played yet!
oh this is a game that just begs for a remake.... really sad it's near impossible for it to get one 😭. Will we be seeing vids ab the other games? tbh i'm curious if the story got better or not
Funnily Enough, Every other PS1 Fromsoft game shares these controls. Both Armored Core and Kings Field would keep them into the PS2 as well, with Armored Core 3 being the first to let you even use the left analog stick for movement, and later still till Armored Core Nexus to even give you proper dual analog control. Fromsoft did not want these games easy, even back then XD
Don’t forget they also made darks souls 2! Scariest run backs in the franchise.
YES ECHO NIGHT SERIES MENTIONED OUTSIDE OF A NITRO RAD VIDEO YES YES YES YES
This weirdly reminded me of at dead of night. Even though you don't exactly help the ghost, but more so they help you. Not sure if you've played it but that's a light suggestion for you if you're looking for something to make a video on.
because even if we mention the other Echo nights, and even Kuon, we KNOW these games will be hard to come by, being that they are extremely rare games.
Hey hen I'm a huge fan, and I wonder if you could check out the forbidden siren duology for the ps2, its a great horror game and I consider it to be one of the best horror games
Will you consider making a video on the game "Antumbra"? its a text-based horror game that was so weird and interesting I spent way too long just trying to find a playthrough of it.(I couldn't remember the name). I recently remembered it and found out that the dev is working on a sequel. I hope that you at least consider checking it out, it's so unique and disappoints me that such a game will be forgotten after all these years.
how many games can you find that are about solving mysteries by helping ghosts pass on
Bro the fact you haven't done Ib yet is crazy. Please play it trust me
I hope you do more sly cooper stuff.
I CAME IN HERE AS FAST AS I COULD YESSSSSS WOOOO
Always good seeing some old horror games get some love.
Funnily the ps1 had 2 eras without the joystick then with.
Obviously the one with came later down the line due to the games like ape escape and Metal gear solid.
Tho still charming seeing how it looks without
Cool another video😎
Nice job on this video! I enjoyed seeing this game from a different perspective. While I can't change how you feel, I personally disagree that popular tropes = bad story. It's a bit cartoon-y, sure, but I wouldn't say it's awful. I think it's important to note that this game is 26 years old, when some of these tropes weren't quite as overdone. In addition, I feel that cutting out a lot of the fluff in this game takes a lot away from the story.
Fromsoft is known for soulsborne
*cries in my Armored Core*
Armored Core mentioned. RISE UP.
Underrated 🤨🤨🤨
You should check out fear & hunger
Soooo ur gonna make a review in the other echo night games
Here have a phantom burger
what if u made a video about soma.......................... totally not begging for hyperfixation content from my favorite background noise youtuber
I love seeing old PlayStation games!- makes me think about what I had missed since I was either too young or not born yet to play these games…I still can’t believe I am even an adult now at college and never played these old games!-
…Third time- could you consider playing Purple from Scopophobia Studios?- it has a rating of 17+ but it isn’t even that bad- I know you have played games like The Hanging Man so I think it would be possible you could play this too!- I think you would like it and it’s from only two people!-
yayayya new ben video
When funni skeleton year 3 :(
"Really overdone plot set up"
Yeah, it was made in 1998. Its a trope that's been around. Just cuz its overdone doesn't make it boring. cutting out a lot of that fluff explains a shit ton of what the stone actually is. You'll see a lot of it in its 2 sequels. Also, I don't think you can call it survival horror when theres no actual survival mechanics and rationing of supplies
Video 3 of asking Ben to play OMORI.
Sign petition below me if want Ben to play OMORI.
With games like this this easy to forget. PS1 DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE A LIGHT SOURCE!.
this guy 8:34 sound more or less from nick on l4d 2
Wait a second- this video isn’t about Kuon