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Same... For me, he can't be changed by anyone... even by John Bernthal. Maybe John was tring to follow the Thomas action.. the brutality.. as we saw in Dirty Laundry.. but it won't be same.
@kieron spiteri They made John into a wolverine if you think about it. He's trying to distance himself from his violent past, but problems keep cropping up that force him into action. And at the end a spark of compassion shows he can still pull away from being a monster. The Punisher loves killing criminal and hitmen, and doesn't hesitate, even when a child is in the same room with him, but John didn't kill a pedophile because a teen girl told him not to
@kieron spiteri The Punisher is a murderous psychopath with an arbitrary code of honor. He kills because he likes it, and uses his family's death as an excuse to cary out those murders. If you really are a Punisher fan, read any Punisher story by Garth Ennis. He gets the Punisher better than anyone
Wesley Thoman yup but dumbass that think they know so much forget stupid little details like this. The 2004 film was fine granted could of done with getting rid of the humour but hey unfortunately it seemed to make it's way their. Both the series and the 2004 film for me are the better punisher's but the film holds a special place and will always get watched atlest once a year 😀
Which comics was it in? Marvel Knights Ennis, or Marvel MAX Ennis? Because the entire MK series was a joke, nothing the character did in that series counts as canon. It's in it's own hilariously stupid dimension full of toilet humour. It had's it's moments (the conversation Frank has with DD in the netflix series is taken straight from the MK series), but it wasn't real, it was just Ennis joking around until he figured out how to write the character properly. Which he did with the MAX series. Like, nobody seriously counts the MK series do they?
Yup, it’s literally in the first edition of War Zone, but most retards tend to forget that fact. Also Dave and Joan are literally in the comics as well. And so is Mickey, the guy who he used the popsicle.
How Spider-Man got his powers: being bitten by a radioactive spider. How Green Lantern got his powers: wearing a power ring created by an all-powerful cosmic being. How The Punisher got his powers: The United States Marine Corps.
I think Thomas Jane was the best. Sure, the film from 2004 had its flaws and was a little campy at times but Jane as the character was great. The parts where he was officially dark and reborn as a vigilante showed potential for a dark portrayal which could have gone even further. Jane isn't to blame, it's the story and the director.
@@hioxd I feel like the dirty laundry short gave us a Punisher who was unsure of accepting his role, but only because he's trying to adjust to a new battlefield. If they gave us an exploitation film with Jane as the Punisher it would kick ass
It's funny, I genuinely enjoy the 2004 film but I actually agree with Rossatron that Thomas Jane's Punisher didn't feel quite like Frank Castle. It felt like another guy who took up the Punisher mantle. This is not to say he wasn't good in his role, but many things about him were distinct from Frank Castle. Also, the extended cut makes it a much better film. The theatrical cut left out some good scenes.
Yup i think thomas jane was the best frank castle, the 2004 story is not that bad at all, his acting is good too Jon and ray just like soulless character playing coldblood killer with full action..damn so boring!
I'm not sure if anyone's said it yet, but the Tom Jane Punisher movie was an origin story. He was still trying to maintain Frank Castle, for most of the movie. The action at the end was when he became The Punisher. And, apart from the skull made of car fires, he was efficient and brutal. You mentioned the popsicle. However, he was looking for an ally, not a victim. It was part of Frank Castle's plan to break Howard Saint, before killing Saint, himself.
The popsicle had me and my BF crying with laughter. My mom laughed and said, "That's not right." and my sister laughed and said, "He's f*cked up for that."
John Bernthal is the fiercest Punisher. He has a face like a Bull Terrier; One of the fiercest dog breeds around. Loyal to those it loves, deadly to anyone that threatens them.
he's the worst punisher, he spends more time getting tortured and getting fucked up by his enemies than actually punishing anything. whats more is that he's he Punisher that doesnt even want to be the Punisher
Robert Ban the first season was meant to build up a storyline. I have a feeling jigsaw (Billy Russo) is gonna bring a lot more action in the second season
the storyline they gave us was painfully long and most of the secondary character stuff was stuff i didnt want to be seeing, its 80% filler. i dont doubt hat he will be jigsaw, but i do doubt there will be any improvement, i can only see this show getting more boring and more disappointing
Robert Ban If you want to see a simple acts of revenge without any character development, then 2004s Punisher is perfect. Bernthal brilliantly portrays the mental anguish and confusion that comes with being a soldier at the crossroads; follow orders? or do the right thing? Is forgiveness effective? Or is retribution in fact, a way to accomplish peace? The moral and ethical narratives in this version are profound.
vultorus His point was the comic book version of the Punisher did it so it was in fact like the Punisher to do such a thing. The dude making the video was making fun of the movie for doing it.
I disagree with your assessment of Thomas Jane. He's not the worst punisher because you seem to discard the punisher comics before garth ennis as not having happened. Thomas Jane wasn't playing punisher max. He was playing classical punisher who wasn't as psychopathic, who still retained a semblance of humanity but who just didn't have any interesting comic book stories to his name. Just because it didn't come from.garth ennis' run doesn't mean it's not punisher. You forget something about punisher especially in garth ennis' run. He doesn't always kill bad guys immediately. He will stalk them, he will use gunfire to push them where he wants them to go and he will absolutely stake them out as long as necessary. If he misses a shot at you that means he's trying to get you some here else to kill you.
Agreed. Also, with Bernthal's Punisher, it's a series as opposed to a film. So they have more like 13 hours to develop the character (not including Daredevil Season 2) as opposed to 2 hours for the movie. A series gives more opportunity to cover the smaller details over a greater period of time. And all things considered, I still love the 2004 movie. Travolta plays a magnificent villain and always gives 100% to any role he's in. And Jane will always stand out to me as Frank Castle. Maybe not the quintessential Castle, but he's right up there. The way he plotted Saint's downfall was fantastic.
The housemates he complained about ruining the movie are taken straight from Garth Ennis' Punisher series. Ennis was already writing Punisher when the movie was made and they obviously used his comic as direct inspiration. Look up "Welcome Back Frank" it definitely inspired the movie, has characters taken straight out of that comic. Though. WBF was Ennis' first run at writing Punisher, which he did twice in two separate universes (Marvel Knights and Marvel MAX)... His run on MAX was praised, and is the best Frank has ever been in comic book form. Thomas Jane is based on the Marvel Knights Punisher run by Ennis, which is an incredibly light-hearted (though incredibly violent) take on the character and is full of humour. Lundgren is the only one based off of the original.
My favorite little character moment from him is the unnerving and menacing moment where he kills the pedophile nazi in the pawn shop. The first time we see his face in light is when the nazi mentions the child porn and you see his stone cold face with his eyes hidden in darkness. Right before killing him you finally get a glimpse of his eyes: wide, bloodshot, and focused. Its like a switch was turned on or something.
Fan Theory (ie: me): After being killed by Rick Grimes in "The Walking Dead", Shane rose from the dead as a zombie that become "the Punisher". He took on the name Frank Castle because he didn't know what happened in his previous life. That would also explain why he kills with such ease, and his hard to kill himself.
+Dk Soulstice Agreed,at first I was uncertain but when the season ended,I was surprised to see that all my favorites and heartwrenching scenes was with him.
I agree his portrayal is the best, but I'll always be partial to the Dolph Lundgren Punisher. The 1989 movie is what got me interested in the charachter.
Web Assassin The punisher is not a psychopath. The punisher should say things that Bernthal would say. The punisher should have emotions like Thomas Jane. The punisher should kill like Ray Stevenson.
You're wrong, Punisher is not a Psycopath, psycopaths act without any credible reason, the Punisher has a reason, he is not psycothic or neurotic, he is a tormented man who is drowning into a great hatred, and that hate its everything he has, the movies adaptations are too exaggerated, they make Frank Castle looks as an Evil James Bond and its not the case, Bernthal shows a Punisher way more human and obsessive, more credible, just a man with nothing more hate, and thats why he is the best Punisher.
The Punisher is an environmental psychopath, being 'manufactured' over genetics of birth, dehumanising military training, kinetic combat experience, loss of family, resulting in zero actual empathy, no moral compass save killing criminals, only an expediency for efficiency as ethics, hyper tolerance of antisocial hours and pain, along with a diminished capacity for fear and drive for physical strength; quick to anger. Psychopaths act with credibility in their minds and survival-logic-chains, it may seem incredulous to you in regards to their decision making, as being invariable unsustainable and self destructive, but there is method to the 'madness'... Bernthal's performance delivers this, a black and white narrative of logic and cause and effect violence, classic manufactured psychopath, take his hospital visit as a queue in the TV show...
the punisher in DareDevil was 10/10, there wasn't anything wrong with him, it was only the start of him becoming the punisher and some origin story too. if they made him do more, then it would've been more of a punisher show than a DareDevil one, and btw he is getting his own show.
I have to disagree, Bernthal's version has nearly no hair and Punisher clearly has black hair... appearance matters. But other than that he was great, I'd say 9/10
Brock to say that it takes away from his performance is just stupid, the producers wanting him to have shorter hair doesn’t take away from Bernthals adaption of the punisher.
To be honest jon bernthal is the best punisher for me. Movies were much about his fight against the under world in brutal ways but its the show which took his PTSD side in perspective, PTSD is oftenly ignored in the movies , punisher is not just a well built killing machine , there is much to the more to the character and the show's take on his character was brilliant.
Ray Stevenson was freakin' born for that role!Emotion, facial expressions, body language...I mean everything.Every true fan will consider this a FACT!😉
@@elijahlukejames There is a healthy way to have a discussion.Bring some light dude, even if it be in a yt comment section, you don't have to be so eager to insult.
I mean... Thomas Jane is best, he is calm, tactical, have plenty of gadgets and other stuff. Bernthal is just screaming and in your face with his rage and sadness... Those two guys/comic reliefs in 2004 adaptation are characters from comic books... He punishes Travolta with gaslighting him into killing his own bf and wife. Meanwhile struggles with grief and with his best friend betrayal which he convinces to kill himself in deleted scene... 1.Jane 2.Stevenson 3.Lundgren
oxyKILLdone Couldn't say. The sad truth is that their has never been much interest for someone to make a Punisher game. But we sure as hell have these Spiderman games coming out the ass.
+Jack Torrance Such a cool game, that was surprisingly faithful to the Marvel universe without stuffing too many reference's down your throat. I loved the mission in Stark Tower.
I don't get how you think Dirty Laundry was terrible. I thought it was an incredibly accurate portrayal. It's only second to Jon Beranthal in my opinion.
+Grayson It was implied he tried to leave the persona of the punisher behind; he realized there's no end to the filth, hence the reason he didn't have a gun and fought them with a bottle of jack.
Thomas Jane's punisher had so much potential if not for the whole family friendly crap that all these comic book adaptations have. It's like the whole stigma of comics being for children. Some of the most graphic and unsettling imagery ever conceived have been from comics yet I still talk to people who think comics are solely for children or the classic single unemployed virgin still living with their mom. Anyone remember the pedophile from Spawn...yeah. Spawn the movie, terrible forced family friendly. Even the rated R version is super tame but that's because from the start they aimed for pg-13 and had to cut some scenes to achieve the rating. I think it would have been terribly no matter what but it's definitely the best example of taking something definitely not for children and forcing it to fit the whole stigma of family friendly comic book movie.
There is something I feel needs to be said about the Punisher as a character. You often refer to him as a psychopath, and while many characters view him as such HE IS NOT A PSYCHOPATH. And HE IS NOT JUST ABOUT KILLING. The Punisher is a killer of the guilty but he is also a protector of the innocent. There are multiple instances both in the comics and various film and TV adaptations where he has gone out of his way to save people without hesitation. Frank Castle cares deeply about the innocent and whenever innocents are severely harmed, he almost always takes it personally. Probably one of the best examples of this is in the beginning of the "Kitchen Irish" story-line. Very early on a bomb goes off. Frank immediately begins trying to save the wounded and even states that at first he was acting without thinking. A psychopath goes through the motions of being a good person, but doesn't actually care or feel anything and would thus not likely have the immediate instinct to help, like Frank. If Frank were in fact a psychopath then he really wouldn't care much about anyone other than himself, incapable of empathy and forming strong attachments. Frank however is a very humble guy who frequently puts the needs of others ahead of his own. This is best displayed by his willingness to risk his life to save others and kill the bad guys, regardless of the risks to his own well-being. And, if the Daredevil TV show was any indication, Frank is very much capable of empathy. One of the best examples of this is the Diner scene with Karen Page, where he quickly picks up that she's in love with Daredevil and relates to how the ones you love can hurt you the most. One of the most interesting things about the Punisher is the fact that most people assume he is a murdering psychopath and, being a humble guy, he's not quick to correct people. He doesn't care if people praise him or not. He only cares about doing what he believes is right. It's only through being around him and interacting with him that you discover that he not a murdering psychopath, but rather caring and fearless protector with a cold outer shell. The further past the cold exterior you go, the more fascinating and complex he becomes.
Being a bit too hard Thomas dude. 2:26 Frank wasn't even the Punisher yet. Also I wouldn't call The Punisher a psychopath, he doesn't enjoying killing. He used a popsicle because he knew Benny would be of better use alive and on the inside, he did use a popsicle in the comics once. "Dirty laundry is terrible" and just like that you completely f****** lost me.
Fallen Knight Tyler 007 Bullshit he doesn't. In Nam' he spoke to either some higher power about giving up something and paying a dear price to keep killing, and he agreed. He was forbidden to go back to Nam' after 2 tours, and so changed his name to get a third. He loves killing.
2:50 So that's it? You're just going to say that and not back it up? Dirty Laundry is one of the best fan films ever made, Bernthal himself said he took queues from Jane in that short.
I thought John Berenthal was going to suck. He was awesome. So awesome, in fact, that the rest of the season kind of paled after he left. The actress playing Elektra was good and everything....but her character just wasn't nearly as interesting as Castle. Dude from War Zone was actually fine. That movie was a train wreck. So Berenthal wins.
I had the opposite reaction when he was cast , cause I saw him in walking dead and he plays a similar character to the punisher bernthal is brooding and seems like someone you don't wanna fuck with even in real life in interviews and such.
+snowsandrivers blackfyrestorm agreed i was skipping whenever elektra was on the screen i was like gimme more dat punisher XD i wanted more punisher less elektra
just finished season 1... Jon Bernthal is the best punisher hands down. They really get you to feel his torment and get an understanding of where he gets his strength. Watching Bernthal rage and scream has never ceased to amaze me making him the punisher was like asking him to come home
+TheAnanaki Exactly the way I felt, and of course Frank/Punisher would be second fiddle on that show, it IS called DAREDEVIL ya know. Instead appreciate the fact that we got to see the character introduced into the show and played by Jon Bernthal.
well it was at the end of the video so indeed it was a cue to exit. also it's funny how people get all triggered the second someone says anything even remotely negative about the thing they're fanboys about.
DonnaPalmer Wrong! I'm never a 'fanboy', being sycophantic over anything.The point here is making a vid bemoaning the Punisher "playing second fiddle" on a show that's not his (it's Daredevil's). It's akin to a Dracula/Bram Stoker, fan hating on Mary Shelley's Frankenstein novel because the 'Count' isn't in it! We can handle subjective opinions, this is not as such; it's an opinion that is wrong, because it is objective to say that this show isn't the Punisher (he'll have his own soon enough playing on Netflix).
dirty laundry is just a bunch of blood; what about story? (That's why the Netflix series is amazing; they can take their time with character development and gruesomeness is secondary to story and character development; I wished to see more Punisher and less DD-even though I love DD).
+Paul Moldovan The story is pretty obvious in the short. Frank is trying to mind his own business, but he just can't stay out of the trouble that's around him. He has to do something.
+john karol Dirty laundry is a fine short film about a recovering alcoholic beating a bunch of dudes to death with a bottle of Jack Daniels, but it's a shitty short about the Punisher because the Punisher would just fucking shoot those guys. Roll credits.
+Paul Moldovan We don't need the build because WE KNOW castle. We know the Punisher. We know what happened to him. Honestly I loved Thomas Jane as the punisher.
Dolphe Lundgren: The psychosis and sheer physical size of the Punisher Ray Stephenson: Brutal and the military combat skills of the Punisher Jon Bernthal: The constant Rage and drive of the Punisher Thomas Jane: All of the above plus his discipline and strategic capability. Jane wins as the one true Punisher.
I thnik, that you have to difference the Daredecil Punisher and the War Zone Punisher. The Punisher of DD is Frank Castle on his way to become the punisher and Bernthal did great, while STevenson did great, to play the more experienced Punisher.
+Motör Bembel Yeah I think they visually show it in the episode too when Karen tells him not to kill the colonel, Frank Castle goes into that shed...the Punisher is the one that comes back out.
+Th3Kingism He is badass, but I'm really hoping he won't stay in the Daredevil series for too long for them to screw him up. That's why I want him to have his own show, where he is in a world that has little to no individuals with superpowers. Look at what happened to Arrow in the last two season. Damien Darhk, Vixen, Constantine and other sorcery/superpower whatever. They ruined the realistic feel the show had and replaced it with repetitive, super power fueled soap opera cliché left and right. I would be really pissed if something similar happened to the Punisher, be it in Daredevil or in his own series.
Rohanzo 2K Jane is for people who don't understand or read the comics because if you do the Punisher. you'd know that Ray is and was the best hands down. hell, he even looks like frank right out from the comics.
War Zone is seriously underrated. It may be a bit over the top in every way possible, but the portrayal of Punisher as an efficient and brutal killing machine is so dope. The standout scene has to be the action in the hotel at the end. The way he holds the gun, checks ammo, drops weapons knowing full well they're empty is pro level stuff. If they had another go at a film I'd want Stevenson back. He owned the role for me. Berethal is good and the Netflix series is great, I just like Stevenson more in the skull vest.
I felt what really ruined the Story for War Zone, was the Weapon Choices used... A lot of Tiny Weapons, & everything went Boom... Punisher 2004, used different types & variety of weapons in different scenes, & it was great... But War Zone, everything felt the same, it was just some guy running acrobatic & gunning guys down, like an FPS Game or World War Z type thing... It I felt ruined the Movie... I honestly liked all the Actors who played the Character... They all did it perfect... But the War Zone & Netflix Show with those Actors? They to me are the Perfect look for a War Zone & Beyond into even the 2099 Arch. take of the Punisher... Again, I just wish all 4 takes of the films were good, though...
The thing I loved about Thomas Jane was that he happened to have just set up his own personal game of chess, he was toying with Howard Saint and actually made him kill his own wife and his best friend without him realise it was the Punisher that set it all up. In a way he was punishing Saint psychologically rather than physically which is his usual motto. He used a completely different method from the other Punishers but you have to admit he couldn't shoot for shit in the last part
Of the ones I've seen, I like Dolph Lundgren the best, because it was so dark very little humor in the movie and I thought that was a fairly decent portrayal of the Punisher.
Every show is flawed, and Daredevil's main one is pacing. Sometimes there are unnecessary characters, and that so much was going on that never even got a hint of explanation that I just don't even want to wait another year for a season of explaining the last season. DD is a very good show, but it is still flawed.
+TheLowCalCalZoneZone This second season was paced way better than than season 1, in my opinion. The second half started feeling a little stale due to the ninjas though. I mean, even Daredevil (who throws a hissy fit every time someone kills someone) doesn't care that they're killing ninjas. lol
he's my favorite too, but he's nothing like the source material, so he technically is the worst. i kinda wish the source material was more like the thomas jane version, because then i would actually enjoy it.
I was unconvinced until I saw him in the short "Dirty Laundry". I think the perfect Punisher is combination of all four: The "brick shithouse" build of Lundgren The shred of humanity of Jane The brutality and singlemindedness of Stevenson The rationale and psyche of Berenthal
I agree, but not by far, Ray Stevenson and Jon Berthnal are wicked too but I just think, if Thomas Jane's Punisher was set in the same sort of gritty New York setting like Ray Stevenson's was, it would have been incredible. And besides, I quite like the mid 00's game of The Punisher and Thomas Jane did the voice, sort of iconic.
Thomas Jane, to me, had the most realistic portrayal of The Punisher. He seems like a normal guy, who loves his wife and his son. Then all his family is taken from him and he's declared dead. So, he uses this to kick the asses of everyone involved with the murder of his family.
I think Josh Bernthal is the best Punisher, but Thomas Jane comes on second place. I think both of their portrayal where from the comics and I loved that they saw his family life in the Thomas Jane version of the character.
Probably a reference to "The Punisher kills the Marvel Universe", one of the best things Marvel ever made, right next to "Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe".
Thomas Jane did a brilliant job portraying Frank from a more psychological edge. He was the methodical Frank. He used psychology to screw with people's minds and saw it as equal to physical violence. He was cold, aloof, and dangerous. Jane also had the perfect voice Punisher isn't JUST about maiming his enemies. He likes to screw with their heads too.
You should do another take on Jon Bernthal's Punisher now that his show is out. Two episodes in and I was blown away and it gave me the chills multiple times. (may or may not have watched more than half the season on the first night)
+pitchfork lilton the problem wasn't the popsicle scene on its own... it was the fact that the entire movie until the end, was essentially a popsicle the entire time... utterly watered done, and in no way a Punisher movie. now, if you put that scene in for example War Zone, or DD it would have been a pretty amusing scene!
Then how the hell did this narrator miss that, and if so how is his word good on the subject. I still feel Thomas jane was the best, then the much darker warzone. Bernthal was cool, looking forward to his own series. Unfortunately I still haven't seen dolphs version but I always hated not seeing the skull on his chest, he looked like any other dude starting shit.
Thomas Jane wasn't the worst punisher, the popsicle interrogation comes from the comics, you should read punisher year one because there frank most of the time was depressed and until the end he becomes The punisher, it was just what they did in the 2004 movie
Thing is, Jon Bernthal's Punisher in Daredevil was like origins of Punisher, just the introduction (like you said). We have yet to see what Jon has to offer in his own Punisher series and I'd say he's is already the best Punisher we ever had.
My favorite scene from the Thomas Jane Punisher is when Castle is getting beaten by the Russian while the nerds are being goofy and cooking to La Donna e Mobile. Best Netflix Punisher scene is from Daredevil season 2 when Kingpin tries to kill Castle in prison. Castle fights his way down that corridor with epic violence. Don't remember any notable scenes from the Stevenson or Lundgren movies.
Great analysis, strongly disagree with you on Bernthal though, especially when you said that he plays second fiddle to a less-interesting charter. In my opinion, Daredevil is a very interesting character.
The Punisher (2004) is more human ... you can see alot of pain in his eyes The Punisher (2018) unpredictable, brutal and realistic both of the punisher actors did a great job imho
+Irelyn Whalen , I think its pretty much neck-and-neck with Jessica Jones, but yeah, I love Daredevil. Its got flaws here and there, but its still awesome.
+PlanetAMV I dunno, I feel JJ had several flaws throughout the show with pacing and the constant "plot is almost wrapped up, until one or more characters suddenly become incompetent", especially during the last couple episodes.
I have no doubt Dolph was the best and like i saw he is the only one who can really fight,all the others are terrible. The worst is John Bernthal,the Punisher is not some guy who spends the whole day in a chat with Micro waitting for enemies to attack,he goes there and hunts them,another thing he doesn't do is to scream like a barbarian when he fights,he kills stealthy and can fight too,no screams to alert enemies or too much injuries because he is just one man against many.
By my own thoughts, every version of my self is the best Punisher. They all represent different aspects: John Bernthal-Represents REALISTIC version of the Punisher. Bernthal has made an accurate appearance on the Daredevil series just like in Daredevil comics. His acting isn't convincing though. The Punisher shouldn't say word/talk no matter where he is. Still has allot of catching up to do later when they bring his series ti small screens. Thomas Jane-Represents main storyline how I became The Punisher. His costume wasn't great but ending scene was satisfying. Ray Stevenson-Represents my main storyline of Punisher Max comics. His the most accurate Punisher by the looks and design. Gotta give props to his movie director and him self. With great honor, The Punisher-Frank Castle.
Jon's cold performance of the Punisher is definitly the best so far. His attitude, his voice, his look, the brutality behind some of his kills (prison scene mainly) and especially his damn acting. The graveyard scene makes me tear up still and I watched it over 10 times. The moment he starts to think about their death other than their life, everything shuts down and he becomes emotionless, it's a beautiful scene, even perfect. The way he is portrayed in the show is perfect, he's a broken man that's just getting into the vigilanty business. His character evolves perfectly. Jon Berthnal is the fucking Punisher.
Who embodied The Punisher best? It’s my assertion that Charles Bronson’s fourth turn as Paul Kersey in Death Wish 4: The Crackdown is what Frank Castle should/could have been...at least on film in the 80s. With a slight re-write and re-casting of some villains, you’ve got the perfect Punisher film.
Lundgren wasn't bad, but wasn't anything real special, Stevenson was a cliche-addled bore, Jane(aside from his portrayal in Dirty Laundry) provided a refreshing and believably human take on the character, but Bernthal... he was perfect. You got the savage, ruthless side, you got the human side, you got some damn decent points and a couple witty lines... You got the whole package. Bernthal, in my opinion was not only a faithful representation of the character(before Ennis turned him into "bad guy who kills worse guys") but someone I think many could empathize with and understand.
Anyone who's a true die hard comic book nerd knows Thomas Jane's Punisher is the most accurate portrayal. Most people who choose Jon Bernthal are not even comic book readers. Their just going by his acting. But if your going by who really stays honest to the character down to the bone. Its Thomas all the way. If you ever read the Punisher War Journal, War Zone, Marvel Knights, & Max series. That's how hes portrayed. Thomas Jane is by far the best that portrays The Punisher most accurately. Staying true to his characteristics & personality. Hes stoic, nonchalant, ruthless, cold, calculating, manipulating, intelligent, strategic, tactical, vengeful, & obsessive. Dolph is to comedic & cartoonish Ray is to brutish & obtuse Jon is to emotional & psychotic In terms of who looks the most like Punisher? Ray would win. He has the exact height, build, & features of Frank Castle.
Thank you, someone who actually read the comics. Ray Stevenson was the most comic accurate punisher on screen, he was ripped out of the pages of the max series. Jon was too emotional and the yelling and grunting got annoying real fast.
+Marcos Lima yeah i agree, frank isnt a psychopath, im not sure how that's the essence of the punisher. psychopaths dont feel anything for anyone, good people, bad people. if anything he does care and feels extremely, his driven by pain and anger from the loss of his family but he tries hard to shut off all the other emotions, he doesnt let others get close or him getting close to them because its too dangerous and painful for him in the long run.
+Marcos Lima There were times in The Punisher comics, especially the ones from the late 80's to early 90's when Castle questioned his own sanity. He always made peace with the fact that if he was insane then so be it.
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Dolph: Psychopathy and Ruthlessness
Tom: Soulessness and Grief
Ray: Brutality and Experience
Jon: Rage and Lust for War
Hella rage
agreed
I think Dolph took it for grief. The man was living in a sewer cutting himself. That surpasses drinking Wild Turkey.
All combined is comic Punisher
Now we need a punisher that embodies all that and a actor that carry the role and convey it intensely.
The best Punisher is Frank Castle
+Khandar William You right
No, Frank Castle is dead he died with his family
I fucks with you
Nooo really.
FRANK CASTLE ONE MORE REASON TO WATCH DAREDEVIL.
I really enjoyed Thomas Jane especially after the dirty laundry short.
Same... For me, he can't be changed by anyone... even by John Bernthal. Maybe John was tring to follow the Thomas action.. the brutality.. as we saw in Dirty Laundry.. but it won't be same.
@@portraita2679 That short is the best Punisher movie there is . 2004 is as close as it get though !
@kieron spiteri They made John into a wolverine if you think about it. He's trying to distance himself from his violent past, but problems keep cropping up that force him into action. And at the end a spark of compassion shows he can still pull away from being a monster. The Punisher loves killing criminal and hitmen, and doesn't hesitate, even when a child is in the same room with him, but John didn't kill a pedophile because a teen girl told him not to
@kieron spiteri That's not the only thing that makes the Punisher at all
@kieron spiteri The Punisher is a murderous psychopath with an arbitrary code of honor. He kills because he likes it, and uses his family's death as an excuse to cary out those murders. If you really are a Punisher fan, read any Punisher story by Garth Ennis. He gets the Punisher better than anyone
The popsicle torture was in one of the comic books. That exact scene, in fact, was in a comic book.
Wesley Thoman yup but dumbass that think they know so much forget stupid little details like this.
The 2004 film was fine granted could of done with getting rid of the humour but hey unfortunately it seemed to make it's way their.
Both the series and the 2004 film for me are the better punisher's but the film holds a special place and will always get watched atlest once a year 😀
Which comics was it in? Marvel Knights Ennis, or Marvel MAX Ennis?
Because the entire MK series was a joke, nothing the character did in that series counts as canon. It's in it's own hilariously stupid dimension full of toilet humour.
It had's it's moments (the conversation Frank has with DD in the netflix series is taken straight from the MK series), but it wasn't real, it was just Ennis joking around until he figured out how to write the character properly.
Which he did with the MAX series.
Like, nobody seriously counts the MK series do they?
Wesley Thoman all the flatmates and the russian are from comics too
Punisher War Zone #1
Yup, it’s literally in the first edition of War Zone, but most retards tend to forget that fact. Also Dave and Joan are literally in the comics as well. And so is Mickey, the guy who he used the popsicle.
How Spider-Man got his powers: being bitten by a radioactive spider.
How Green Lantern got his powers: wearing a power ring created by an all-powerful cosmic being.
How The Punisher got his powers: The United States Marine Corps.
Hazy doesn't have powers
mpforeverunlimited Way to miss the point
He’s the most powerful heroes of all
And thick plot armor, the universal superpower.
Hazy Jon Stewart green lantern was also a marine
I think Thomas Jane was the best. Sure, the film from 2004 had its flaws and was a little campy at times but Jane as the character was great. The parts where he was officially dark and reborn as a vigilante showed potential for a dark portrayal which could have gone even further. Jane isn't to blame, it's the story and the director.
Yeah I still think Jane is was the best, if you saw his short "dirty laundry" convinced me even more that he was the best.
@@hioxd I feel like the dirty laundry short gave us a Punisher who was unsure of accepting his role, but only because he's trying to adjust to a new battlefield. If they gave us an exploitation film with Jane as the Punisher it would kick ass
It's funny, I genuinely enjoy the 2004 film but I actually agree with Rossatron that Thomas Jane's Punisher didn't feel quite like Frank Castle. It felt like another guy who took up the Punisher mantle. This is not to say he wasn't good in his role, but many things about him were distinct from Frank Castle.
Also, the extended cut makes it a much better film. The theatrical cut left out some good scenes.
Yup i think thomas jane was the best frank castle, the 2004 story is not that bad at all, his acting is good too
Jon and ray just like soulless character playing coldblood killer with full action..damn so boring!
@@goldgen7352 You are an idiot if you think Jon Bernthal's performance or show is boring or that he is soulless. Try actually watching the show
I'm not sure if anyone's said it yet, but the Tom Jane Punisher movie was an origin story. He was still trying to maintain Frank Castle, for most of the movie. The action at the end was when he became The Punisher. And, apart from the skull made of car fires, he was efficient and brutal.
You mentioned the popsicle. However, he was looking for an ally, not a victim. It was part of Frank Castle's plan to break Howard Saint, before killing Saint, himself.
The popsicle had me and my BF crying with laughter. My mom laughed and said, "That's not right." and my sister laughed and said, "He's f*cked up for that."
I thought Thomas Jane was the best Punisher until I watched Jon's performance.
John Bernthal is the fiercest Punisher. He has a face like a Bull Terrier; One of the fiercest dog breeds around. Loyal to those it loves, deadly to anyone that threatens them.
he's the worst punisher, he spends more time getting tortured and getting fucked up by his enemies than actually punishing anything. whats more is that he's he Punisher that doesnt even want to be the Punisher
Robert Ban the first season was meant to build up a storyline. I have a feeling jigsaw (Billy Russo) is gonna bring a lot more action in the second season
the storyline they gave us was painfully long and most of the secondary character stuff was stuff i didnt want to be seeing, its 80% filler. i dont doubt hat he will be jigsaw, but i do doubt there will be any improvement, i can only see this show getting more boring and more disappointing
Robert Ban If you want to see a simple acts of revenge without any character development, then 2004s Punisher is perfect.
Bernthal brilliantly portrays the mental anguish and confusion that comes with being a soldier at the crossroads; follow orders? or do the right thing?
Is forgiveness effective? Or is retribution in fact, a way to accomplish peace?
The moral and ethical narratives in this version are profound.
He doesn’t want to be the punisher. Frank castle doesn’t do what he does because he wants to. He does it because he needs to.
The punisher really did torture the guy with a popsicle in the comics
They also did it in the comics putz.
vultorus His point was the comic book version of the Punisher did it so it was in fact like the Punisher to do such a thing. The dude making the video was making fun of the movie for doing it.
I disagree with your assessment of Thomas Jane. He's not the worst punisher because you seem to discard the punisher comics before garth ennis as not having happened. Thomas Jane wasn't playing punisher max. He was playing classical punisher who wasn't as psychopathic, who still retained a semblance of humanity but who just didn't have any interesting comic book stories to his name. Just because it didn't come from.garth ennis' run doesn't mean it's not punisher. You forget something about punisher especially in garth ennis' run. He doesn't always kill bad guys immediately. He will stalk them, he will use gunfire to push them where he wants them to go and he will absolutely stake them out as long as necessary. If he misses a shot at you that means he's trying to get you some here else to kill you.
Agreed. Also, with Bernthal's Punisher, it's a series as opposed to a film. So they have more like 13 hours to develop the character (not including Daredevil Season 2) as opposed to 2 hours for the movie. A series gives more opportunity to cover the smaller details over a greater period of time. And all things considered, I still love the 2004 movie. Travolta plays a magnificent villain and always gives 100% to any role he's in. And Jane will always stand out to me as Frank Castle. Maybe not the quintessential Castle, but he's right up there. The way he plotted Saint's downfall was fantastic.
The housemates he complained about ruining the movie are taken straight from Garth Ennis' Punisher series. Ennis was already writing Punisher when the movie was made and they obviously used his comic as direct inspiration.
Look up "Welcome Back Frank" it definitely inspired the movie, has characters taken straight out of that comic.
Though. WBF was Ennis' first run at writing Punisher, which he did twice in two separate universes (Marvel Knights and Marvel MAX)... His run on MAX was praised, and is the best Frank has ever been in comic book form.
Thomas Jane is based on the Marvel Knights Punisher run by Ennis, which is an incredibly light-hearted (though incredibly violent) take on the character and is full of humour.
Lundgren is the only one based off of the original.
Grimmsect the one where he punches the polar bear 😊
Ok
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Jon Bernthal is hands down the best! Badass, charismatic, full of rage and unhinged. Love him
My favorite little character moment from him is the unnerving and menacing moment where he kills the pedophile nazi in the pawn shop. The first time we see his face in light is when the nazi mentions the child porn and you see his stone cold face with his eyes hidden in darkness. Right before killing him you finally get a glimpse of his eyes: wide, bloodshot, and focused. Its like a switch was turned on or something.
Thor Wolf Bernthal doesn't have the nose. His nose is Roman. I'd say he's more med.
Thor Wolf just looked it up RIP
Thor Wolf Ashkenazi
Fan Theory (ie: me): After being killed by Rick Grimes in "The Walking Dead", Shane rose from the dead as a zombie that become "the Punisher". He took on the name Frank Castle because he didn't know what happened in his previous life. That would also explain why he kills with such ease, and his hard to kill himself.
Jon Bernthal easily.
+Dk Soulstice Agreed,at first I was uncertain but when the season ended,I was surprised to see that all my favorites and heartwrenching scenes was with him.
Without a doubt
ray stevenson
Jon Bernthal's the best Punisher hands down!.. i know i'm not alone in thinking this!!
diuleiloumo chaohai yeah man!
I agree his portrayal is the best, but I'll always be partial to the Dolph Lundgren Punisher. The 1989 movie is what got me interested in the charachter.
your LouMo me too..but ill give daredevil's punisher a chance. I have high hopes for that and hopefully protrays that like jons charactor
your LouMo with a few fixes to it too
your LouMo I don't even like the DD series(despite loving Daredevil) and I don't like the actor, but that dude kills it. Best Punisher hands down..
"Dirty laundry is terrible."
*Spits coffee all over the screen.*
Bro WHAT??
It was flawed as shit but fun
Guess I'm the only one who likes Bernthal the best.
mrgoukimaster yeah idk what's up with this comment section. Berthnal's was by far the most badass
Web Assassin John Bernthal is my favorite Punisher too.
Web Assassin The punisher is not a psychopath. The punisher should say things that Bernthal would say. The punisher should have emotions like Thomas Jane. The punisher should kill like Ray Stevenson.
nah ß
I also think Bernthal is the best.
You're wrong, Punisher is not a Psycopath, psycopaths act without any credible reason, the Punisher has a reason, he is not psycothic or neurotic, he is a tormented man who is drowning into a great hatred, and that hate its everything he has, the movies adaptations are too exaggerated, they make Frank Castle looks as an Evil James Bond and its not the case, Bernthal shows a Punisher way more human and obsessive, more credible, just a man with nothing more hate, and thats why he is the best Punisher.
Nothing but hate***
So he's basically an anti hero
The Punisher is an environmental psychopath, being 'manufactured' over genetics of birth, dehumanising military training, kinetic combat experience, loss of family, resulting in zero actual empathy, no moral compass save killing criminals, only an expediency for efficiency as ethics, hyper tolerance of antisocial hours and pain, along with a diminished capacity for fear and drive for physical strength; quick to anger. Psychopaths act with credibility in their minds and survival-logic-chains, it may seem incredulous to you in regards to their decision making, as being invariable unsustainable and self destructive, but there is method to the 'madness'...
Bernthal's performance delivers this, a black and white narrative of logic and cause and effect violence, classic manufactured psychopath, take his hospital visit as a queue in the TV show...
A psycopath doesn't have emotions, so the Punisher cannot be a psychopath, he feels angry, and he once loved.
DrNanard Actually they do have emotions, anger is one, satisfaction of ownership is the other, love/empathy are faked.
Only Ray Stevenson wore Frank Castle with the pathos required
I'll take Thomas Jane's Punisher over Dolph Lundren's Punisher any day.
bernthall is THE punisher
A shame he couldn't factor in the spectacular first season of The Punisher on Netflix. Bernthal still rules.
the punisher in DareDevil was 10/10, there wasn't anything wrong with him, it was only the start of him becoming the punisher and some origin story too. if they made him do more, then it would've been more of a punisher show than a DareDevil one, and btw he is getting his own show.
I have to disagree, Bernthal's version has nearly no hair and Punisher clearly has black hair... appearance matters.
But other than that he was great, I'd say 9/10
Brock to say that it takes away from his performance is just stupid, the producers wanting him to have shorter hair doesn’t take away from Bernthals adaption of the punisher.
Bernthal needs more screen time to cement his greatness
Good news!
@@billgrey385 Bernthal is the goat now 😂
To be honest jon bernthal is the best punisher for me. Movies were much about his fight against the under world in brutal ways but its the show which took his PTSD side in perspective, PTSD is oftenly ignored in the movies , punisher is not just a well built killing machine , there is much to the more to the character and the show's take on his character was brilliant.
"a less interesting character and flawed show" im off.
Best Punisher is Frank Castle...
are you stupid
Bruce Wayne is the best Batman
TheMadPlatypus !
No he isn’t. You are for not realizing that it’s a joke.
im trying see how many people i can bait and yes i so see the irony no hard feelings
do you sniff queef
Ray Stevenson was freakin' born for that role!Emotion, facial expressions, body language...I mean everything.Every true fan will consider this a FACT!😉
Be quiet with the true fan bullshit. Bernthal is the best
@@elijahlukejames you don't have to be rude Daisy , it's called an opinion
@@donfabius2057 you literally said “this is a FACT” you mook
@@elijahlukejames There is a healthy way to have a discussion.Bring some light dude, even if it be in a yt comment section, you don't have to be so eager to insult.
@@donfabius2057 made my point adequately
Thank you! Finally, someone praises Ray Stevenson's performance. He was borderline perfect. "WAR ZONE," was underrated.
I actually like Thomas Jane's Punisher portrayal
That one person with a username Me too
Max William Lauf john wick sucks asssss
If you played the game, you'd agree even more
Xavier Abello John Wick killed a bunch of people with a pencil. A fucking pencil.
Assassino275 ya that IS The Punisher for me.
I mean... Thomas Jane is best, he is calm, tactical, have plenty of gadgets and other stuff. Bernthal is just screaming and in your face with his rage and sadness... Those two guys/comic reliefs in 2004 adaptation are characters from comic books... He punishes Travolta with gaslighting him into killing his own bf and wife. Meanwhile struggles with grief and with his best friend betrayal which he convinces to kill himself in deleted scene... 1.Jane 2.Stevenson 3.Lundgren
The best punisher is the one from the 2004 video game.
Why in the hell wasn't there a follow-up to that?
oxyKILLdone Couldn't say. The sad truth is that their has never been much interest for someone to make a Punisher game. But we sure as hell have these Spiderman games coming out the ass.
It was all QTE if I recall correctly
+Jack Torrance Such a cool game, that was surprisingly faithful to the Marvel universe without stuffing too many reference's down your throat. I loved the mission in Stark Tower.
Jack Torrance 200*5*
I don't get how you think Dirty Laundry was terrible. I thought it was an incredibly accurate portrayal. It's only second to Jon Beranthal in my opinion.
+Grayson
It was implied he tried to leave the persona of the punisher behind; he realized there's no end to the filth, hence the reason he didn't have a gun and fought them with a bottle of jack.
*”One batch.....two batch.....penny and dime....”*
It's official that The Punisher will have his own Netflix series.
+Cut To Black cite your sources bc i wanna know if its true
+Matt twitter.com/netflix/status/726041802080317440
Matt twitter.com/netflix/status/726041802080317440
+Cut To Black thank you so much omg
Daredevil Punisher is the best, but Tom Jane was the most fitting actor.
Thomas Jane's punisher had so much potential if not for the whole family friendly crap that all these comic book adaptations have. It's like the whole stigma of comics being for children. Some of the most graphic and unsettling imagery ever conceived have been from comics yet I still talk to people who think comics are solely for children or the classic single unemployed virgin still living with their mom. Anyone remember the pedophile from Spawn...yeah. Spawn the movie, terrible forced family friendly. Even the rated R version is super tame but that's because from the start they aimed for pg-13 and had to cut some scenes to achieve the rating. I think it would have been terribly no matter what but it's definitely the best example of taking something definitely not for children and forcing it to fit the whole stigma of family friendly comic book movie.
2:27 “this is not the punisher” yeah no shit that’s the beginning of the movie when he’s LITERALLY NOT THE PUNISHER YET your bias is exquisite
There is something I feel needs to be said about the Punisher as a character. You often refer to him as a psychopath, and while many characters view him as such HE IS NOT A PSYCHOPATH. And HE IS NOT JUST ABOUT KILLING.
The Punisher is a killer of the guilty but he is also a protector of the innocent. There are multiple instances both in the comics and various film and TV adaptations where he has gone out of his way to save people without hesitation. Frank Castle cares deeply about the innocent and whenever innocents are severely harmed, he almost always takes it personally. Probably one of the best examples of this is in the beginning of the "Kitchen Irish" story-line. Very early on a bomb goes off. Frank immediately begins trying to save the wounded and even states that at first he was acting without thinking. A psychopath goes through the motions of being a good person, but doesn't actually care or feel anything and would thus not likely have the immediate instinct to help, like Frank.
If Frank were in fact a psychopath then he really wouldn't care much about anyone other than himself, incapable of empathy and forming strong attachments. Frank however is a very humble guy who frequently puts the needs of others ahead of his own. This is best displayed by his willingness to risk his life to save others and kill the bad guys, regardless of the risks to his own well-being. And, if the Daredevil TV show was any indication, Frank is very much capable of empathy. One of the best examples of this is the Diner scene with Karen Page, where he quickly picks up that she's in love with Daredevil and relates to how the ones you love can hurt you the most.
One of the most interesting things about the Punisher is the fact that most people assume he is a murdering psychopath and, being a humble guy, he's not quick to correct people. He doesn't care if people praise him or not. He only cares about doing what he believes is right. It's only through being around him and interacting with him that you discover that he not a murdering psychopath, but rather caring and fearless protector with a cold outer shell. The further past the cold exterior you go, the more fascinating and complex he becomes.
savagenature1 I was just going to write my own rant about this until I saw your comment. Well done.
Thank you :)
exactly, which is why spider man doesn't go hunt him down, or wolverine or capn amurica.
Being a bit too hard Thomas dude. 2:26 Frank wasn't even the Punisher yet. Also I wouldn't call The Punisher a psychopath, he doesn't enjoying killing. He used a popsicle because he knew Benny would be of better use alive and on the inside, he did use a popsicle in the comics once.
"Dirty laundry is terrible" and just like that you completely f****** lost me.
Fallen Knight Tyler 007 Bullshit he doesn't. In Nam' he spoke to either some higher power about giving up something and paying a dear price to keep killing, and he agreed. He was forbidden to go back to Nam' after 2 tours, and so changed his name to get a third. He loves killing.
2:50
So that's it? You're just going to say that and not back it up? Dirty Laundry is one of the best fan films ever made, Bernthal himself said he took queues from Jane in that short.
I thought John Berenthal was going to suck. He was awesome. So awesome, in fact, that the rest of the season kind of paled after he left. The actress playing Elektra was good and everything....but her character just wasn't nearly as interesting as Castle. Dude from War Zone was actually fine. That movie was a train wreck. So Berenthal wins.
Well, he never left...?
+OH NO That Guy! Wonderful name and avatar
Fidelio Ah, that's right Susan! Your avatar is great as well.
I had the opposite reaction when he was cast , cause I saw him in walking dead and he plays a similar character to the punisher bernthal is brooding and seems like someone you don't wanna fuck with even in real life in interviews and such.
+snowsandrivers blackfyrestorm agreed i was skipping whenever elektra was on the screen i was like gimme more dat punisher XD i wanted more punisher less elektra
how dare you? dirty laundry was awesome
just finished season 1... Jon Bernthal is the best punisher hands down. They really get you to feel his torment and get an understanding of where he gets his strength. Watching Bernthal rage and scream has never ceased to amaze me making him the punisher was like asking him to come home
but the punisher in his own show wasn't the PUNISHER
"within a pretty flawed show" (Daredevil)... That's my cue to exit.
+TheAnanaki Exactly the way I felt, and of course Frank/Punisher would be second fiddle on that show, it IS called DAREDEVIL ya know. Instead appreciate the fact that we got to see the character introduced into the show and played by Jon Bernthal.
yup this guy is a fucking moron. you can tell when he talks he really has no idea what he's talking about
Definitely one of the best Comic Book shows on TV now.
well it was at the end of the video so indeed it was a cue to exit. also it's funny how people get all triggered the second someone says anything even remotely negative about the thing they're fanboys about.
DonnaPalmer
Wrong! I'm never a 'fanboy', being sycophantic over anything.The point here is making a vid bemoaning the Punisher "playing second fiddle" on a show that's not his (it's Daredevil's). It's akin to a Dracula/Bram Stoker, fan hating on Mary Shelley's Frankenstein novel because the 'Count' isn't in it!
We can handle subjective opinions, this is not as such; it's an opinion that is wrong, because it is objective to say that this show isn't the Punisher (he'll have his own soon enough playing on Netflix).
I'm sorry, but as soon as you said that dirty laundry was terrible you lost all credibility.
dirty laundry is just a bunch of blood; what about story? (That's why the Netflix series is amazing; they can take their time with character development and gruesomeness is secondary to story and character development; I wished to see more Punisher and less DD-even though I love DD).
+Paul Moldovan The story is pretty obvious in the short.
Frank is trying to mind his own business, but he just can't stay out of the trouble that's around him. He has to do something.
+Paul Moldovan Dirty laundry is a short film and Jane proved he was a good Punisher but is still 2nd best.
+john karol Dirty laundry is a fine short film about a recovering alcoholic beating a bunch of dudes to death with a bottle of Jack Daniels, but it's a shitty short about the Punisher because the Punisher would just fucking shoot those guys. Roll credits.
+Paul Moldovan We don't need the build because WE KNOW castle. We know the Punisher. We know what happened to him. Honestly I loved Thomas Jane as the punisher.
Dolphe Lundgren: The psychosis and sheer physical size of the Punisher
Ray Stephenson: Brutal and the military combat skills of the Punisher
Jon Bernthal: The constant Rage and drive of the Punisher
Thomas Jane: All of the above plus his discipline and strategic capability.
Jane wins as the one true Punisher.
I thnik, that you have to difference the Daredecil Punisher and the War Zone Punisher. The Punisher of DD is Frank Castle on his way to become the punisher and Bernthal did great, while STevenson did great, to play the more experienced Punisher.
agreed...
+Motör Bembel Yeah I think they visually show it in the episode too when Karen tells him not to kill the colonel, Frank Castle goes into that shed...the Punisher is the one that comes back out.
+Th3Kingism I loved that moment where he finds all those guns in the shed.
Saint X Same, then when he gets the spray can and shows up to kill Hand ninjas to help Daredevil out and you see him and skull, he looks badass.
+Th3Kingism He is badass, but I'm really hoping he won't stay in the Daredevil series for too long for them to screw him up. That's why I want him to have his own show, where he is in a world that has little to no individuals with superpowers. Look at what happened to Arrow in the last two season. Damien Darhk, Vixen, Constantine and other sorcery/superpower whatever. They ruined the realistic feel the show had and replaced it with repetitive, super power fueled soap opera cliché left and right. I would be really pissed if something similar happened to the Punisher, be it in Daredevil or in his own series.
Jon Bernthal is the best in my opinion. I just like his voice and his face is more like a soldier to me.
more like gangsta or punk to me,tom jane fits it
ivanda halimawan look at this 14 year old that probably weighs 75 pounds and 5.3
If killing murderers who kill innocent people is considered a "psychopathic act" then that's my kind of psychopath.
Ray Stevenson was the best till Berenthal came into town....
+dante bigguy I totally agree! I rank Bernthal at #1, then Stevenson, then Lundgren, and Jane ranked last.
Aaron Faagau
yup.
agree
+dante bigguy WHAT? Jane was the best.
Rohanzo 2K
Jane is for people who don't understand or read the comics because if you do the Punisher. you'd know that Ray is and was the best hands down. hell, he even looks like frank right out from the comics.
the punisher used a popsicle in the comics once
War Zone is seriously underrated. It may be a bit over the top in every way possible, but the portrayal of Punisher as an efficient and brutal killing machine is so dope. The standout scene has to be the action in the hotel at the end.
The way he holds the gun, checks ammo, drops weapons knowing full well they're empty is pro level stuff.
If they had another go at a film I'd want Stevenson back. He owned the role for me. Berethal is good and the Netflix series is great, I just like Stevenson more in the skull vest.
I felt what really ruined the Story for War Zone, was the Weapon Choices used...
A lot of Tiny Weapons, & everything went Boom...
Punisher 2004, used different types & variety of weapons in different scenes, & it was great...
But War Zone, everything felt the same, it was just some guy running acrobatic & gunning guys down,
like an FPS Game or World War Z type thing... It I felt ruined the Movie...
I honestly liked all the Actors who played the Character... They all did it perfect...
But the War Zone & Netflix Show with those Actors? They to me are the Perfect look for a War Zone
& Beyond into even the 2099 Arch. take of the Punisher...
Again, I just wish all 4 takes of the films were good, though...
Yeah
War Zone was badass!! Brutal fucking soundtrack too!!
The thing I loved about Thomas Jane was that he happened to have just set up his own personal game of chess, he was toying with Howard Saint and actually made him kill his own wife and his best friend without him realise it was the Punisher that set it all up. In a way he was punishing Saint psychologically rather than physically which is his usual motto. He used a completely different method from the other Punishers but you have to admit he couldn't shoot for shit in the last part
I think that’s the difference between them. Jane is calculating and Bernthal is unhinged and sloppy
"Bernthal's portrayal is close" - nah mate, it's perfect.
Punisher was not emotional. He's a psycopath that chooses to kill mobsters.
@@felathar1985dude, 💯
Of the ones I've seen, I like Dolph Lundgren the best, because it was so dark very little humor in the movie and I thought that was a fairly decent portrayal of the Punisher.
I agree. Dolph lundgren did it the best, Thomas Jane was second best.
Dolph Lundgren IS the punisher, man! No one will portray that character better than he did .
Michael Selakovic John berthnal did the best no doubt about it, dolph falls short with bad action and crap dialogue.
Truly agreed. Especially when he prayed you heard the punisher
@@gdog5798 jon berthal is shit
Damn I really wanna see a stand alone Punisher show
+Zachary Fiddle Well Netflix IS making one so you won't have to wait long
+TheAnanaki Source? Pls.
+Deadpool www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/netflix-plotting-punisher-spinoff-starring-856398
+Henrik Askestad Thanks!
+Henrik Askestad This is amazing :)
One Batch, Two Batch, Penny and Dime so Jon bernthal wins easily.
Thomas Jane, no questions asked.
Ray Stevenson
Try the 89 punisher
Wtf did he really just say daredevil is a flawed show?
+thesuperstickman87 Of course. Any show is flawed, to be honest.
+Ethan Fisher But not Daredevil.
Every show is flawed, and Daredevil's main one is pacing. Sometimes there are unnecessary characters, and that so much was going on that never even got a hint of explanation that I just don't even want to wait another year for a season of explaining the last season. DD is a very good show, but it is still flawed.
+thesuperstickman87 Well... It is. Doesn't mean it's not bad. I enjoy myself but it is flawed. I mean come on.
+TheLowCalCalZoneZone This second season was paced way better than than season 1, in my opinion. The second half started feeling a little stale due to the ninjas though. I mean, even Daredevil (who throws a hissy fit every time someone kills someone) doesn't care that they're killing ninjas. lol
Thomas Jane was the best ....just my opinion
he's my favorite too, but he's nothing like the source material, so he technically is the worst. i kinda wish the source material was more like the thomas jane version, because then i would actually enjoy it.
he was the early Punisher (80s and 90s), for me - i've red only 80s and early 90s Punisher - he was a very good and fitting one.
I was unconvinced until I saw him in the short "Dirty Laundry".
I think the perfect Punisher is combination of all four:
The "brick shithouse" build of Lundgren
The shred of humanity of Jane
The brutality and singlemindedness of Stevenson
The rationale and psyche of Berenthal
I agree, but not by far, Ray Stevenson and Jon Berthnal are wicked too but I just think, if Thomas Jane's Punisher was set in the same sort of gritty New York setting like Ray Stevenson's was, it would have been incredible. And besides, I quite like the mid 00's game of The Punisher and Thomas Jane did the voice, sort of iconic.
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Thomas Jane, to me, had the most realistic portrayal of The Punisher. He seems like a normal guy, who loves his wife and his son. Then all his family is taken from him and he's declared dead. So, he uses this to kick the asses of everyone involved with the murder of his family.
I think Josh Bernthal is the best Punisher, but Thomas Jane comes on second place. I think both of their portrayal where from the comics and I loved that they saw his family life in the Thomas Jane version of the character.
Thomas Jane's fight with the giant wrestler was the best action.
Jon Bernthal kills the netflix universe
Do you mean that in a good way?
Probably a reference to "The Punisher kills the Marvel Universe", one of the best things Marvel ever made, right next to "Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe".
rulo no jon berthal elimates all earth criminals
rulo I honestly don't see how there still violence where daredevil is if all the gangs were wiped out
Thor Wolf Jewish?
What are you talking about? Dirty Laundry is amazing
Bernthal is the best Punisher, without a question.
+tuberaider he is the born punisher
THis guy doing the video does not know what he was talking....
Thomas Jane did a brilliant job portraying Frank from a more psychological edge. He was the methodical Frank. He used psychology to screw with people's minds and saw it as equal to physical violence. He was cold, aloof, and dangerous. Jane also had the perfect voice
Punisher isn't JUST about maiming his enemies. He likes to screw with their heads too.
You should do another take on Jon Bernthal's Punisher now that his show is out.
Two episodes in and I was blown away and it gave me the chills multiple times.
(may or may not have watched more than half the season on the first night)
The punisher really needs his own show, it would be great with Jon playing him.
+The Punisher jon Hamm as the punisher
The part where Bernthal threatens to kill an innocent man on the roof to keep Daredevil quiet was so not Punisher
the popsicle scene was inspired by a same scene in a comic.
+pitchfork lilton was about to say so!nice ;)
+pitchfork lilton the problem wasn't the popsicle scene on its own... it was the fact that the entire movie until the end, was essentially a popsicle the entire time... utterly watered done, and in no way a Punisher movie.
now, if you put that scene in for example War Zone, or DD it would have been a pretty amusing scene!
Then how the hell did this narrator miss that, and if so how is his word good on the subject. I still feel Thomas jane was the best, then the much darker warzone. Bernthal was cool, looking forward to his own series. Unfortunately I still haven't seen dolphs version but I always hated not seeing the skull on his chest, he looked like any other dude starting shit.
Personally I like Ray Stevenson's version of the Punisher. He's the closest to actually physically looking like frank castle.
Thomas Jane wasn't the worst punisher, the popsicle interrogation comes from the comics, you should read punisher year one because there frank most of the time was depressed and until the end he becomes The punisher, it was just what they did in the 2004 movie
Thing is, Jon Bernthal's Punisher in Daredevil was like origins of Punisher, just the introduction (like you said). We have yet to see what Jon has to offer in his own Punisher series and I'd say he's is already the best Punisher we ever had.
Glad I checked the date. Just finished the Punisher Season 1 and it’s amazing!
Now season 2 came out
Do we gotta ask?
Bernthal.
@Zokersghost lol gtfo
@Zokersghost JANE!
@Zokersghost lmao, Bernthal is easily better
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I prefer Jane
@@y2123-l8c no way jane had the rugged look down. Not emotional at all basically emotionless and cool and composed like tom brady.
My favorite scene from the Thomas Jane Punisher is when Castle is getting beaten by the Russian while the nerds are being goofy and cooking to La Donna e Mobile. Best Netflix Punisher scene is from Daredevil season 2 when Kingpin tries to kill Castle in prison. Castle fights his way down that corridor with epic violence. Don't remember any notable scenes from the Stevenson or Lundgren movies.
Dave Biddle the one where Stevenson kills a parkour guy with a grenade launcher is funny.
Great analysis, strongly disagree with you on Bernthal though, especially when you said that he plays second fiddle to a less-interesting charter. In my opinion, Daredevil is a very interesting character.
+Ethan Reuben (Reubinator999) Agreed
Lobo The Main Man Oh, I see.
Ray Stevenson. Hands down. The best we will ever see. The others are Punisher lite, in my opinion.
Thomas Jane is the best punisher ever
solid snake agreed
The Best At Portraying The Punisher is Ray Stevenson & Dolph Lundren!
The Punisher (2004) is more human ... you can see alot of pain in his eyes
The Punisher (2018) unpredictable, brutal and realistic
both of the punisher actors did a great job imho
Did you say daredevil is a pretty flawed show ? Daredevil is the best superhero show to date it is amazing better than almost any superhero movie .
+Irelyn Whalen , I think its pretty much neck-and-neck with Jessica Jones, but yeah, I love Daredevil. Its got flaws here and there, but its still awesome.
+corvus1970 DD is better than JJ. JJ had a pretty bad start, not that the first half was bad, it just had more flaws than the second half.
+PlanetAMV I dunno, I feel JJ had several flaws throughout the show with pacing and the constant "plot is almost wrapped up, until one or more characters suddenly become incompetent", especially during the last couple episodes.
+corvus1970 Imo jj has nothing on daredevil
+Khorne5006 and let's not forget about the discount Chris Evans actor, he always spoke like he had DICKS in his mouth
Ray looks like the punisher. He's my favorite of all 4
I have no doubt Dolph was the best and like i saw he is the only one who can really fight,all the others are terrible.
The worst is John Bernthal,the Punisher is not some guy who spends the whole day in a chat with Micro waitting for enemies to attack,he goes there and hunts them,another thing he doesn't do is to scream like a barbarian when he fights,he kills stealthy and can fight too,no screams to alert enemies or too much injuries because he is just one man against many.
By my own thoughts, every version of my self is the best Punisher. They all represent different aspects:
John Bernthal-Represents REALISTIC version of the Punisher. Bernthal has made an accurate appearance on the Daredevil series just like in Daredevil comics. His acting isn't convincing though. The Punisher shouldn't say word/talk no matter where he is. Still has allot of catching up to do later when they bring his series ti small screens.
Thomas Jane-Represents main storyline how I became The Punisher. His costume wasn't great but ending scene was satisfying.
Ray Stevenson-Represents my main storyline of Punisher Max comics. His the most accurate Punisher by the looks and design. Gotta give props to his movie director and him self.
With great honor, The Punisher-Frank Castle.
Jon's cold performance of the Punisher is definitly the best so far. His attitude, his voice, his look, the brutality behind some of his kills (prison scene mainly) and especially his damn acting. The graveyard scene makes me tear up still and I watched it over 10 times. The moment he starts to think about their death other than their life, everything shuts down and he becomes emotionless, it's a beautiful scene, even perfect. The way he is portrayed in the show is perfect, he's a broken man that's just getting into the vigilanty business. His character evolves perfectly. Jon Berthnal is the fucking Punisher.
Who embodied The Punisher best? It’s my assertion that Charles Bronson’s fourth turn as Paul Kersey in Death Wish 4: The Crackdown is what Frank Castle should/could have been...at least on film in the 80s. With a slight re-write and re-casting of some villains, you’ve got the perfect Punisher film.
DW4 is my personal favorite of the series. I like how you think.
1. Jon Bernthal
2. Ray Stevenson
3. Dolph Lundren
4. Thomas Jane
Hands down.
Dolph lundren
This list here is solid. Ray was definitely the best when it came to hand to hand combat.
I'm 100% with you Jon played that role to a fucking T, my god was it beautiful
Incorrect
for me is stevenson.. look at his posture and you can feel his emotion..
I thought what the punisher originally did was take vengeance on those who killed his family and then became the punisher. Correct me if I am wrong.
+Alex Torres And we see that happen with Jon's portrayal.
he started being punisher after he killed blacksmith and burned his house down
"And keep your nose clean nicky" *immediately snorts coke*
Lundgren wasn't bad, but wasn't anything real special, Stevenson was a cliche-addled bore, Jane(aside from his portrayal in Dirty Laundry) provided a refreshing and believably human take on the character, but Bernthal... he was perfect.
You got the savage, ruthless side, you got the human side, you got some damn decent points and a couple witty lines... You got the whole package.
Bernthal, in my opinion was not only a faithful representation of the character(before Ennis turned him into "bad guy who kills worse guys") but someone I think many could empathize with and understand.
Dolph Fuckin Lundgren
Personal favorite is Dolph. I loved how unhinged he was and intimidating.
Thomas Jane is the best Punisher.
Say what you wnt, but the Thomas Jane Version is the best to me ...
mine to true punisher Thomas Jane
Absolutely
same
Did you see Jon Bernthal? He was phenomenal.
Yeah, the Thomas Jane version had his own theme song
Anyone who's a true die hard comic book nerd knows Thomas Jane's Punisher is the most accurate portrayal. Most people who choose Jon Bernthal are not even comic book readers. Their just going by his acting. But if your going by who really stays honest to the character down to the bone. Its Thomas all the way.
If you ever read the Punisher War Journal, War Zone, Marvel Knights, & Max series. That's how hes portrayed. Thomas Jane is by far the best that portrays The Punisher most accurately. Staying true to his characteristics & personality.
Hes stoic, nonchalant, ruthless, cold, calculating, manipulating, intelligent, strategic, tactical, vengeful, & obsessive.
Dolph is to comedic & cartoonish
Ray is to brutish & obtuse
Jon is to emotional & psychotic
In terms of who looks the most like Punisher?
Ray would win. He has the exact height, build, & features of Frank Castle.
Thank you, someone who actually read the comics. Ray Stevenson was the most comic accurate punisher on screen, he was ripped out of the pages of the max series. Jon was too emotional and the yelling and grunting got annoying real fast.
If he is a psycho, how do you explain the love for his family? He is a force of justice and he fells bad for every inocent killed in his way,
+Marcos Lima yeah i agree, frank isnt a psychopath, im not sure how that's the essence of the punisher. psychopaths dont feel anything for anyone, good people, bad people. if anything he does care and feels extremely, his driven by pain and anger from the loss of his family but he tries hard to shut off all the other emotions, he doesnt let others get close or him getting close to them because its too dangerous and painful for him in the long run.
Well said.
In the episode he said to the devil that was only part of the show.
+Marcos Lima There were times in The Punisher comics, especially the ones from the late 80's to early 90's when Castle questioned his own sanity. He always made peace with the fact that if he was insane then so be it.
Psychopaths are not crazy. They are fully aware of what they do and the consequences of those actions.If he is crazy he is not a psychopaths.
"Dirty laundry is terrible" Your taste is terrible can we agree on that lol
+Mauricio Ruiz I thought I was the only one
I think Dirty Laundry was great too
agreed.
Ray Stevenson was the closest we ever seen as The Punisher from the comics