I wasn’t expecting to watch that the whole way through! They actually look really tempting. Especially the off road bikes that could then be used for the commute too. That’s what I’m doing with my old DRZ and I rarely do more than 50 miles at a time.
Nice to see a self-confessed petrol-head approach electric with an open mind. Good on ya! Alec, Oli, and Nathan are certainly a great crowd to get a rounded experience and view of the pros and cons of electric motorcycles. I've ridden a Zero DSR since 2016 and recently (end of April) finally took receipt of a shiny, new Energica EVA Ribelle. Last month I recreated the journey I did initially on my Zero DSR in 2017 to become the first person to ride an electric motorcycle from Land's End to John O'Groats (continuing to the top of Shetland). In 2017 on the DSR (and with only 3.3 kW charging), it took me four days to do the Land's End to John O'Groats stint. Last month, on my new Energica EVA Ribelle, it took me 29.5 hours to do the same journey in one journey, including charging stops, which do at least force you to have a break. One thing I'd say I'd echo from what Alec said in this though - the meeting people aspect of charging is quite enjoyable, especially because they're generally inquisitive about riding electric. The problem with the Energica and the luxury of DC rapid charging (CCS) is you're held up not by charging speeds, but by chatting speeds! Video on my channel of the journey last month, if you're interested. ua-cam.com/video/_flIPqnjeOI/v-deo.html I can tell I'm enjoying the bike. I work from home but have managed to stick just short of 4000 miles on the bike in the two months I've owned it! Admittedly, some of that is doing the IAM RoadSmart observer activities I do (electric is great for that), but most of it is just fun! :-D
Love this. Mega impressive buddy. I’m hoping to get on my own electric adventures at some point (I’m sure EEMC will be amenable) but I don’t think I’ll be smashing that distance in 29.5 hours! Fair play. I’ll check out that video sometime soon. Did you get and PR anywhere for it?
@@OllieMoto Thanks for the kind words. No big PR other than EEMC/Energica sharing the social media posts. I don't see it as quite as big a deal now. 5 years ago when I did it on the Zero DSR without a Charge Tank it was a bigger challenge, but this time on the EVA Ribelle, once the best approach was sorted in terms of charging and riding strategy (covered in the video), the biggest challenge was the human one. It wouldn't be too difficult to beat the that time really. There were two of us for a start, so it meant there were times we had to share one charge point and charge individually, though those were the exception rather than the norm and in quite a few places we ended up chatting to people. The main thing was to try to beat my time from 5 years ago and show the difference DC rapid charging makes. 👍
@@jtchivers I still think it's a great effort, and would make a good written story somewhere I'm sure. If and when I get on an adventure on an electric bike then I won't be looking to beat this 'record' at all! 😂
Ah mate it was crazy fun. It was a bit odd though, felt like an electric mountain bike a fair chunk of the time but then would kick the back out like a mx bike quite frequently. I really enjoyed riding it, and that track will be killer when it’s all completed.
Thanks buddy. Yes mate, they are bloody awesome machines to ride. Aggressively fast. I’d really like to actually try one out proper though, on an adventure or something.
Good job 👍 It’s a journey and it’s early days. But we’re not at the start any more! Nice rounded point of view. And that power off the start is a big plus point!
Thanks man. They were definitely “a hoot” to ride. Glad it came across as rounded too - I never want any of my stuff to be biased… there’s enough of that online already! 😉
I really like the ideal of electric bikes, especially for commuting / general daily use. I don't like the idea of having features and performance locked behind an extra payment though. The feature is there already... you just don't get it until you pay more? That doesn't seems like getting an "extra" to me, it feels more like holding features back until more money is paid. Especially given the bikes aren't exactly cheap to start with.
Yeah you could be right. As I said in the video I intentionally didn’t wanna get wrapped around the axels with money, I just wanted to concentrate on the riding experience and a bit of logistics, but maybe I should have done a bit more digging. I still don’t actually know what you can unlock and for how much! 😂
@@OllieMoto Sorry, that was more negative then I intended it. I should have started my comment with "that was a really good video, I especially enjoyed getting a quick glimpse of all the different bikes in one day, what a good idea." 😅 Video was great, if you're going to do more in depth ones there's loads to dig into I guess, but just as a summary of all the different types of bike available, it was really interesting. The "pay for extras" part just jumped out as an interesting point whilst I was in the middle of watching it.
52 minutes kept me interrsted the whole time, Im not new to electric but not ridden any of these yet but really need to get on them and try them out, ( need to buy all my motorcycle gear again though in order to do that as sold it all off years ago. ). I have convverted a few push bikes to electric and bought a frey ex pro and absolutely love riding them. I think a zero sr would be about my speed but price and charging when doing distance is a bit off putting, I nearly pulled the trigger on one that was ex demo for £8 but dily dalied too much and it sold lol.
Thanks for the kind words! As I said in the video, I really enjoyed my time on them. The riding experience is pretty ace to be honest, but I do have reservations about their "real world application" for the type of riding I do i.e. big adventures. If I rode a lot closer to home most of the time I'd seriously consider one.
Looks like you had a great time on those Ollie.. the torque is the best selling point on electric vehicles in my opinion. As far as the greenwashing goes though..I think hydrogen is the best bet for the future.
Yeah I had a really good day. I have to highlight just how welcoming and forward leaning EEMC we’re though - not all companies are! Hydrogen is definitely an interesting avenue. I’m rooting for mini nuclear! 😂
@@OllieMoto Now that Ive watched it, can say another great video! I was thinking though- out of all of the bikes you tried here, if you could pick one and one only- wich one would it be? Personally? I'd most likely go for the dirtbike.
Yeah, maybe. If I’m honest I’m still not convinced. Maybe for bikes - moped and the like - but for cars… hmm 🤔 Just take a look at recent EV sales figures.
@@OllieMoto I mean yeah they aren't selling well. Look at the stats for EV bike sales in the UK it's shocking. In Tawain they have battery swap stations, takes 60 seconds to swap out 2 batteries. FortNine reckons it is going to go EV but with Hydrogen. I just don't see how ICE fuel is sustainable cost wise.
@@KrisVickers-wn6dd I think the only people who know are Shell and BP. They’ll have ‘the next thing’ locked away in a cupboard somewhere until their profit margins make it worthwhile to unlock said cupboard… 😉
It would depend on what I needed it for. If I lived in a city and needed a run around then yeah, they’re great, and I’d even have one as a track bike. Not for ADV though.
Hmmm, I see what you’re saying but I disagree. Some of them are quite affordable. I’m sure people said this about the cars at first too… and now they’re everywhere.
But you can have a regular slower small box cheaper at home and use the fast charge when out when it’s more needed time wise and if I understand right? They’re dual charge able to use both systems?
@@Adameftube I believe so, again I'm not a complete electric expert though... and I hope that came across in the video! I can see no reason why not, seeing as they have the joint system on board.
No one is putting in a home DC charger. It's all cheaper AC, they even talked about this in the video. The CCS chargers take AC type 2. DC is just rapid chargers at services and starbucks etc
I've ridden to Azerbaijan via Cyprus on a Vespa 300 and get past Austria and any electric vehicle just becomes useless. We tend to forget that the majority of the world still runs on petrol and diesel and I personally don't think EV's are the future and if they are it won't be in my lifetime.
It’s a fair point. I wouldn’t consider one for an adventure bike - for hardcore, off road adventures I mean - but I certainly would if I lived in a city.
@@OllieMoto EV’s are not the miracle cure that everyone things they are. For a start the infrastructure is no-where near being able to cope if everyone was using them. Also where does the electricity come from? Given the rise in energy costs it will soon be as expensive to charge your EV as put petrol in the tank. Look how this country has failed year after year to get more people onto public transport. Ticket prices go up, but the service is still woeful. Plus the infrastructure is in dire need of updating. I have family in Denmark and they laugh at the UK and how we lurch from one disaster to another. Their train and bus networks (as with most in Europe) are so much better. On time, clean and affordable. They even offer free train travel into cities at Xmas time to reduce the congestion. BUT they can do that’s because the trains, buses and infrastructure are well maintained and of a high quality. For me covering a lot of business miles EV or public transport are not viable options. Public transport is OK if you are just going from A to B, but what about onward journeys? Plus the services are often subject to issues, delays, strike it is generally quicker (and cheaper!) to drive or ride. Plus for me electric cars would need to have significantly increased range for them to even be considered or I could not travel to the extent I need to for work. Hence my brief answer yesterday…
The infrastructure definitely needs to be in place before this will all work. I’m still not 100% sure if electric will be the future, but the car industry seems to be paving that way and biking tends to follow. I suppose a lot has changed in the past 6 months with rise in electricity costs and… Ukraine. As I said in the video though I just wanted to see if they were any good to ride, and they were. Whether we are definitely all going to be on them in a few years though, who knows 🤷🏼♂️ Thanks for the comments though buddy! 👍🏻
I wasn’t expecting to watch that the whole way through! They actually look
really tempting. Especially the off road bikes that could then be used for the commute too. That’s what I’m doing with my old DRZ and I rarely do more than 50 miles at a time.
Yeah the dirt bike I rode was good, and it was only the small version apparently. The one to look at is the Stark, apparently. Need to get me a go!
Nice to see a self-confessed petrol-head approach electric with an open mind. Good on ya!
Alec, Oli, and Nathan are certainly a great crowd to get a rounded experience and view of the pros and cons of electric motorcycles.
I've ridden a Zero DSR since 2016 and recently (end of April) finally took receipt of a shiny, new Energica EVA Ribelle.
Last month I recreated the journey I did initially on my Zero DSR in 2017 to become the first person to ride an electric motorcycle from Land's End to John O'Groats (continuing to the top of Shetland). In 2017 on the DSR (and with only 3.3 kW charging), it took me four days to do the Land's End to John O'Groats stint. Last month, on my new Energica EVA Ribelle, it took me 29.5 hours to do the same journey in one journey, including charging stops, which do at least force you to have a break.
One thing I'd say I'd echo from what Alec said in this though - the meeting people aspect of charging is quite enjoyable, especially because they're generally inquisitive about riding electric. The problem with the Energica and the luxury of DC rapid charging (CCS) is you're held up not by charging speeds, but by chatting speeds!
Video on my channel of the journey last month, if you're interested.
ua-cam.com/video/_flIPqnjeOI/v-deo.html
I can tell I'm enjoying the bike. I work from home but have managed to stick just short of 4000 miles on the bike in the two months I've owned it! Admittedly, some of that is doing the IAM RoadSmart observer activities I do (electric is great for that), but most of it is just fun! :-D
Love this. Mega impressive buddy. I’m hoping to get on my own electric adventures at some point (I’m sure EEMC will be amenable) but I don’t think I’ll be smashing that distance in 29.5 hours! Fair play. I’ll check out that video sometime soon. Did you get and PR anywhere for it?
@@OllieMoto Thanks for the kind words. No big PR other than EEMC/Energica sharing the social media posts. I don't see it as quite as big a deal now. 5 years ago when I did it on the Zero DSR without a Charge Tank it was a bigger challenge, but this time on the EVA Ribelle, once the best approach was sorted in terms of charging and riding strategy (covered in the video), the biggest challenge was the human one.
It wouldn't be too difficult to beat the that time really. There were two of us for a start, so it meant there were times we had to share one charge point and charge individually, though those were the exception rather than the norm and in quite a few places we ended up chatting to people.
The main thing was to try to beat my time from 5 years ago and show the difference DC rapid charging makes. 👍
@@jtchivers I still think it's a great effort, and would make a good written story somewhere I'm sure. If and when I get on an adventure on an electric bike then I won't be looking to beat this 'record' at all! 😂
Excellent. Thanks for the effort and detail within this vid. Was great hearing the explanations and seeing such a range.
You’re very welcome, and thanks to you for appreciating my efforts!
Top video 👍🏻 those little surron things looks like a lot of fun, fancy something like that for some stealthy green laning.
Ah mate it was crazy fun. It was a bit odd though, felt like an electric mountain bike a fair chunk of the time but then would kick the back out like a mx bike quite frequently. I really enjoyed riding it, and that track will be killer when it’s all completed.
Best thing about electric motors..Torque!!! Amazing.
Brilliant as ever mate. Really great run down on electric bikes and a top review of the pros and cons. I want an Energika now!
Thanks buddy. Yes mate, they are bloody awesome machines to ride. Aggressively fast. I’d really like to actually try one out proper though, on an adventure or something.
Good job 👍 It’s a journey and it’s early days. But we’re not at the start any more! Nice rounded point of view. And that power off the start is a big plus point!
Thanks man. They were definitely “a hoot” to ride. Glad it came across as rounded too - I never want any of my stuff to be biased… there’s enough of that online already! 😉
@@OllieMoto No lies here! ;)
English Electric used to be a train manufacturer I thought.
The massive increases in electric costs yet again in October in the UK are going to diminish the running costs argument I think.
Yeah. I think we’ll be a bit f……
I really like the ideal of electric bikes, especially for commuting / general daily use.
I don't like the idea of having features and performance locked behind an extra payment though. The feature is there already... you just don't get it until you pay more? That doesn't seems like getting an "extra" to me, it feels more like holding features back until more money is paid.
Especially given the bikes aren't exactly cheap to start with.
Yeah you could be right. As I said in the video I intentionally didn’t wanna get wrapped around the axels with money, I just wanted to concentrate on the riding experience and a bit of logistics, but maybe I should have done a bit more digging. I still don’t actually know what you can unlock and for how much! 😂
@@OllieMoto Sorry, that was more negative then I intended it. I should have started my comment with "that was a really good video, I especially enjoyed getting a quick glimpse of all the different bikes in one day, what a good idea." 😅
Video was great, if you're going to do more in depth ones there's loads to dig into I guess, but just as a summary of all the different types of bike available, it was really interesting.
The "pay for extras" part just jumped out as an interesting point whilst I was in the middle of watching it.
@@jnrduggan haha, no dramas at all buddy! I always welcome feedback. Glad you enjoyed some of it anyway... 😉🤣
Excellent informative video. I really enjoyed watching it and I learned something as well. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video as always Ollie!!
Thanks! 👊🏻
52 minutes kept me interrsted the whole time,
Im not new to electric but not ridden any of these yet but really need to get on them and try them out, ( need to buy all my motorcycle gear again though in order to do that as sold it all off years ago. ).
I have convverted a few push bikes to electric and bought a frey ex pro and absolutely love riding them.
I think a zero sr would be about my speed but price and charging when doing distance is a bit off putting,
I nearly pulled the trigger on one that was ex demo for £8 but dily dalied too much and it sold lol.
Thanks for the kind words! As I said in the video, I really enjoyed my time on them. The riding experience is pretty ace to be honest, but I do have reservations about their "real world application" for the type of riding I do i.e. big adventures. If I rode a lot closer to home most of the time I'd seriously consider one.
Excellent ....
Thanks 👍🏻⚡️
No, they're GREAT⚡
Looks like you had a great time on those Ollie.. the torque is the best selling point on electric vehicles in my opinion. As far as the greenwashing goes though..I think hydrogen is the best bet for the future.
Yeah I had a really good day. I have to highlight just how welcoming and forward leaning EEMC we’re though - not all companies are! Hydrogen is definitely an interesting avenue. I’m rooting for mini nuclear! 😂
Try your Nepal or Morocco tours on an electric bike or car.
It won’t work right now, I agree, but times change so who knows eh?
In my part of the world, to be 'pokey' is to be noticeably slow. Funny planet.
Yup, certainly is. It certainly wasn't slow... 😂
Cracking video mate, really enjoyed this one
Thanks dude. You good?
@@OllieMoto All good thanks mate. I'm in Poland at the min doing my Commercial Pilots Licences :)
Poland eh? Hopefully not the Eastern side… 😬
How much did he say the price of a charger was ??
Yeah, DC isn't cheap 😬 AC isn't bad though, and you get a subsidy with most bike purchases... apparently.
I have eMoto, theyre bloody good. Id never get an elecy car. But motorbike get a yes.
What bike do you have?
Unfortunately wont be able to watch it till after work... but still wanted to be the first to comment! :D
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@@OllieMoto Now that Ive watched it, can say another great video! I was thinking though- out of all of the bikes you tried here, if you could pick one and one only- wich one would it be?
Personally? I'd most likely go for the dirtbike.
@@Yangvar I really liked the little Zero FXE. It was only one of the 'small' bikes, but it was really good for nipping around on. Loved it 👍🏻
very good video.
Thanks. I unintentionally went very overboard with this one, but no one can complain it’s not detailed 😂😂
It has to be the future. I mean what other options are there?
Yeah, maybe. If I’m honest I’m still not convinced. Maybe for bikes - moped and the like - but for cars… hmm 🤔 Just take a look at recent EV sales figures.
@@OllieMoto I mean yeah they aren't selling well. Look at the stats for EV bike sales in the UK it's shocking.
In Tawain they have battery swap stations, takes 60 seconds to swap out 2 batteries.
FortNine reckons it is going to go EV but with Hydrogen. I just don't see how ICE fuel is sustainable cost wise.
@@KrisVickers-wn6dd I think the only people who know are Shell and BP. They’ll have ‘the next thing’ locked away in a cupboard somewhere until their profit margins make it worthwhile to unlock said cupboard… 😉
@@OllieMoto Yeah probably.
Would you not own an electric motorbike?
It would depend on what I needed it for. If I lived in a city and needed a run around then yeah, they’re great, and I’d even have one as a track bike. Not for ADV though.
Electric cars n bikes..great novelty toys for those with plenty of disposable income and home charging stations who don't want to travel far.
Hmmm, I see what you’re saying but I disagree. Some of them are quite affordable. I’m sure people said this about the cars at first too… and now they’re everywhere.
The main issue with all EVs are range, and recharging time
Hopefully the technology gets better.
@@OllieMoto until this happens, gas and diesel bikes are the crowned on the throne
@@ZGoddessLola diesel bikes ? didnt know such thing existed, i guess they existed many years ago but never heard of such thing in recent years
£10k for a home Rectifier!!! Bloody ell!!
Haha this was also my reaction behind the camera 😂
But you can have a regular slower small box cheaper at home and use the fast charge when out when it’s more needed time wise and if I understand right? They’re dual charge able to use both systems?
@@Adameftube I believe so, again I'm not a complete electric expert though... and I hope that came across in the video! I can see no reason why not, seeing as they have the joint system on board.
No one is putting in a home DC charger. It's all cheaper AC, they even talked about this in the video. The CCS chargers take AC type 2.
DC is just rapid chargers at services and starbucks etc
I've ridden to Azerbaijan via Cyprus on a Vespa 300 and get past Austria and any electric vehicle just becomes useless.
We tend to forget that the majority of the world still runs on petrol and diesel and I personally don't think EV's are the future and if they are it won't be in my lifetime.
It’s a fair point. I wouldn’t consider one for an adventure bike - for hardcore, off road adventures I mean - but I certainly would if I lived in a city.
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It's a motor, not an engine, ha ha
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Nope.
Short and sweet 😂😂
@@OllieMoto EV’s are not the miracle cure that everyone things they are. For a start the infrastructure is no-where near being able to cope if everyone was using them. Also where does the electricity come from? Given the rise in energy costs it will soon be as expensive to charge your EV as put petrol in the tank. Look how this country has failed year after year to get more people onto public transport. Ticket prices go up, but the service is still woeful. Plus the infrastructure is in dire need of updating. I have family in Denmark and they laugh at the UK and how we lurch from one disaster to another. Their train and bus networks (as with most in Europe) are so much better. On time, clean and affordable. They even offer free train travel into cities at Xmas time to reduce the congestion. BUT they can do that’s because the trains, buses and infrastructure are well maintained and of a high quality. For me covering a lot of business miles EV or public transport are not viable options. Public transport is OK if you are just going from A to B, but what about onward journeys? Plus the services are often subject to issues, delays, strike it is generally quicker (and cheaper!) to drive or ride. Plus for me electric cars would need to have significantly increased range for them to even be considered or I could not travel to the extent I need to for work. Hence my brief answer yesterday…
The infrastructure definitely needs to be in place before this will all work. I’m still not 100% sure if electric will be the future, but the car industry seems to be paving that way and biking tends to follow. I suppose a lot has changed in the past 6 months with rise in electricity costs and… Ukraine.
As I said in the video though I just wanted to see if they were any good to ride, and they were. Whether we are definitely all going to be on them in a few years though, who knows 🤷🏼♂️
Thanks for the comments though buddy! 👍🏻