hes not that unfamiliar - hes been around for 4+ years and is a Homestory Cup champion, 2x Dreamhack semifinalist and 2x SSL semifinalist. It's not like this was a nobody coming in and beating Maru/Inno.
After rewatching this, it's kind of gross how Patience gets to win after essentially trying nothing and doing nothing for 3 games straight then just a-clicking with gateway units. Cringe to read all the comments saying how Patience is the next champion in hindsight.
Don't scream "imba" guys, Maru screwed the last game up. Losing whole medivac full of marines (31:24) and unsiegeing when the stalkers are comming (31:04) has nothing to do with TvP balance...
So... at some point Blizzard HAS to nerf Protoss, right? Watching PvT now feels like it did back when mass adepts were all-powerful in early LotV. Not that the same strats are being used today, but the imbalance is similar. Game 3 might have turned out completely differently, though, if only Maru's first two mines hadn't gotten blocked by the marines on his ramp, allowing the stalkers to pick off one marine and one mine for free. With a second active mine at that point, I think Maru holds his natural.
Spoiler*** Does TvP need to be more balanced? Yes. But is literally no one going to appreciate the fact that patience came out first in the group? None of us could ever dream of beating inno and maru back to back with protoss, unbalanced or not. The game is never going to be perfectly balanced. That's impossible. Based on recent tournaments TvP definitely needs to be fixed, but lets at least try to enjoy the game we all love and lets give patience some credit, he is a badass player.
It is balanced. People need to quit whining. Terran throws away all their units trying to harass so they never work up a big army for the main fight, not Protoss's fault that Terrans don't get it.
@@kirko0176 you have no idea what youre saying. Terran MUST harass or toss will have 60+ workers in 6 minutes. And how big of an army can you possibly get when your opponent has 20-30 workers more than you?
@@ramil8029 you have reading comprehension problems. If you throw away your units while you harass... The harass was pointless. You'll have less units to fight with. Also Terran has mules. It's completely fine to be down workers as Terran. You can easily stay on the same number of bases. Having 4 workers per patch on 2 base does nothing for Protoss over Terran.
Kirko017 you’re as thick-headed as a goddam rhino. Terran has to harass. And it’s not hard for Protoss to pick off some units here and there. Maru’s harass in the first game killed 22 workers. It’s a trade off. Plus, he had a decent number of units at the second base with a wall-off and a bunker. Mules ain’t shit if you can’t land and keep your second base in place and mineral patches in the main aren’t infinite. “Harass is pointless”. My ass, are you stuck in 2010 when players would max out before moving out for the first time? If you don't harass, you're gonna have less economy and therefore less army anyway. How do you not get that? You really don't have a clue of how this matchup works. Just stop responding, you make yourself look silly. P.s. I was obviously speaking of 60+ workers on 3+ bases, as we saw in game 1.
@@ramil8029 you're a moron. Terran is a race you siege and pressure with. Not harrass. Anyone good Terran knows this. That's how they literally designed the race. Siege tanks, liberators, widow mines, bunkers, cyclones, banshees, maruaders, etc. If you throw away your units like a dumbass to kill workers. You lose. You're supposed to siege them and prevent them from expanding with Terran. 2-3 rax bunker rush. That's a siege. 2 rax medivacs. That's a siege with marine medivac. Hellion banshee. That's a siege. Marines tank push is a siege. Marine liberators. Also a siege. All good Terran builds are sieges. Terrans try to drop and harass and lose their units then lose to the counter attack. It was like this all throughout sc1 and sc2. Zerg is counter attacking and defending. Protoss is timing attacks and skirmishes. Hence warp in abilities. Learn to play.
The biggest bs about protoss is their macro. They can produce probes at 1.5x speed of terran AND they don't need to spend time building their structures. In 5 minutes of the game, they get to mine over 1k more resources, which allows them to hold off any incoming attacks. By the time terran arrives with a 2-base push, toss has secured 3 bases, fully saturated with workers AND enough army to defend. This is an RTS game - players need to be looking for a good balance between their army and workers to struggle to stay alive at any point of the game. Protoss gets both of those NO PROBLEM. It's insane that terrans ABSOLUTELY MUST harass toss to slow down their economy when it takes them exactly 45 seconds(!) to build 15 workers off of just 3 bases (which is the amount you can kill with INSANE luck during your harass). Furthermore, toss has this amazing ability to hide their tech and cheese the opponent. Sitting in your natural as terran, you are almost never sure of what is coming. Is it blink stalker? Is it warp prism? Or could it be DTs? Or maybe it's a goddam glaive adepts all-in (is it an all-in if you have 61 workers tho? hmmm). Oh, right, it could also be tempest rush with batteries just outside your natural. You're thinking of ways how to prevent any of those, but before your wall-off is done at the second base, a ton of chargelots arrive and rip everything to shreds... Please, Blizzard. Fix this goddam race. P.s. Before ppl respond: Yea, im a 4500mmr potato terran who knows nothing about balance, right? I get it. But I have 70% winrate in TvT, 55% winrate in TvZ and 24%(!!!!) winrate in TvP! I won 11 games and lost 32 games against protoss this season. This IS a balance issue EVEN at lower leagues, as it takes WAY LESS SKILL and APM for protoss to control their army efficiently and choose when to invest in economy or army.
Lol terrans harass to get easy wins, Maru could get 2:0 if didnt send away his army in crucial moments. Look at last game, how to hold mass gates with blink stalkers when you took some damage - Maru thinks that you should unsiege your tanks, and send away half of your army.
amai he was hoping for a window to move out and deal some counter damage because he knows Protoss is getting infinitely ahead, probably sitting on 3 bases, while Maru was having difficulties securing his natural. Just turtling on 2 bases letting Protoss macro their minds out will never end in a win. Also, tanks are a joke to blink stalkers. Sieged or not, they look sad if there isn’t enough bio protecting them
amai the unsiege at 31:07 was to reposition the tank in a safer and better position. If there was an obs, that tank would’ve been shot from the low ground.
@@ramil8029 to reposition the tank to a safer and better position at worst possible timing. He saw previous games, he saw waves tactics, but somehow he didnt expect same wave tactics at this game.
Idk within 2019 gsl's (S1 and supertournamen1) there's been a Terran meta of widowmine drops in the opponent's main or Nat.... Generally kills enough workers to be worth it, the game just never really got there. The widowmines are worth it for the economy as long as one of the first 3 drops actually kill like 15+ probes.
They 1-shot oracles, so they're fantastic if Protoss goes for them. That's why Terran was so strong against Protoss when the top Terrans were playing against Protoss.
@@peterchui1964 Yes but somehow Maru and Innovations thinks Patience is not a too good player. Having the possibility of Adepts rush on the front of the base and still playing drops and standard build instead of concentrating everything and build/APM everything to prevent. The priority should be in front of the base instead of it they just try to shave a few probes on another side of the map.
No when u can go through Trerrans race report and see 10% lower win rate against P and 10% higher win rate for P against T there's something wrong. Most T worst matchup is TvP most P best match up is PvT
So it was 7 tosses 1 terran and Maru who threw away his games, with weird experimental builds. And what we see? Terran steamrolled to finals, and could easily get the whole thing, if played a bit less sloppy, despite showing all his builds before that. And terrans still whine about balance. OMG.
![2019 GSL S2] Ro.32 Group A Match4 Armani vs INnoVation](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EZOdilb5EcU/mqdefault.jpg)
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He should rename himself, "Violence." With his GSL patch all hanging loose on his jacket. Insane work.
And soooooo funny after Maru clowning Innovation for losing to Patience. Incredible!
Tastetosis, my fave Terran and one of my top 3 'toss, what more could I ask for :) great start to S2 for GSL
I'm so glad we can finally move on and we will have a new champion born.
This guy is not fucking around, great job Patience!
Wow... just wow... glad I clicked on that video!
Beautiful. About time!
Don't understand these Terrans... 14 probes, for 0 energy, anywhere from 5 minutes onwards - How fast can you get Psi-Storm again?
Ok...hes my fav protos now....Stats Sos and now Patience.....
Patience & Classic :)
Some very zerglike play from Patience game 1 where he traded inefficently but just hammered with units and superior economy
Patience protoss world champ 2019
What's the song during game loading? (dnb)
Tension - Dance with the dead
@@jensengstfeld8089 Dance with the Dead is so damn good
he done well to be fair, maru take no notice u got this bro
What do you need to beat the best Terran in the world? Just some patience.
Holy shit 100% expected Maru and Innovation to get out of this group.
Same
Why strongly expect Maru to get out when Innovation is his kryptonite and Patience is known for upsets?
This plump unfamiliar guy just beat 2 best terran in the world in succession..
hes not that unfamiliar - hes been around for 4+ years and is a Homestory Cup champion, 2x Dreamhack semifinalist and 2x SSL semifinalist. It's not like this was a nobody coming in and beating Maru/Inno.
He's not a nobody, but he's definitely not expected to come out on top of the group
the tasteosis bants are on POINT in this one !
25:40 how does tasteless pump out his Gs so fast?!
After rewatching this, it's kind of gross how Patience gets to win after essentially trying nothing and doing nothing for 3 games straight then just a-clicking with gateway units. Cringe to read all the comments saying how Patience is the next champion in hindsight.
Nonsense
game starts at 2:00
In his deep child-voice is so proven at the end of this video/series!
Artosis stay objective plz.. Patience beated these 2 terrans with BRILLIANT plays! What do you have against him ? Agressive strats are part of SC
Patience is so good
Don't scream "imba" guys, Maru screwed the last game up. Losing whole medivac full of marines (31:24) and unsiegeing when the stalkers are comming (31:04) has nothing to do with TvP balance...
It was excellent play for Patience to kill that medivac
While I think tvp has serious issues, none of them were in this series. Fun matches to watch. Patience played well, Maru threw a bit.
He unsiege because of the blink
So... at some point Blizzard HAS to nerf Protoss, right? Watching PvT now feels like it did back when mass adepts were all-powerful in early LotV. Not that the same strats are being used today, but the imbalance is similar. Game 3 might have turned out completely differently, though, if only Maru's first two mines hadn't gotten blocked by the marines on his ramp, allowing the stalkers to pick off one marine and one mine for free. With a second active mine at that point, I think Maru holds his natural.
Yes it surely feels so, against lazy greedy and sloppy builds.
Clueless
Patience deserved those wins. It looked like Maru wasn't respecting him and decided to go easy and ended up being upended by Patience.
patience seemed super happy
nice toss
Jack: I think the bake on my Lady Baltimore just... something went wrong.
he might as well just eat that bottle... :):)
Spoiler***
Does TvP need to be more balanced? Yes. But is literally no one going to appreciate the fact that patience came out first in the group? None of us could ever dream of beating inno and maru back to back with protoss, unbalanced or not.
The game is never going to be perfectly balanced. That's impossible. Based on recent tournaments TvP definitely needs to be fixed, but lets at least try to enjoy the game we all love and lets give patience some credit, he is a badass player.
It is balanced. People need to quit whining. Terran throws away all their units trying to harass so they never work up a big army for the main fight, not Protoss's fault that Terrans don't get it.
@@kirko0176 you have no idea what youre saying. Terran MUST harass or toss will have 60+ workers in 6 minutes. And how big of an army can you possibly get when your opponent has 20-30 workers more than you?
@@ramil8029 you have reading comprehension problems. If you throw away your units while you harass... The harass was pointless. You'll have less units to fight with.
Also Terran has mules. It's completely fine to be down workers as Terran. You can easily stay on the same number of bases. Having 4 workers per patch on 2 base does nothing for Protoss over Terran.
Kirko017 you’re as thick-headed as a goddam rhino. Terran has to harass. And it’s not hard for Protoss to pick off some units here and there. Maru’s harass in the first game killed 22 workers. It’s a trade off. Plus, he had a decent number of units at the second base with a wall-off and a bunker. Mules ain’t shit if you can’t land and keep your second base in place and mineral patches in the main aren’t infinite.
“Harass is pointless”. My ass, are you stuck in 2010 when players would max out before moving out for the first time? If you don't harass, you're gonna have less economy and therefore less army anyway. How do you not get that?
You really don't have a clue of how this matchup works. Just stop responding, you make yourself look silly.
P.s. I was obviously speaking of 60+ workers on 3+ bases, as we saw in game 1.
@@ramil8029 you're a moron. Terran is a race you siege and pressure with. Not harrass. Anyone good Terran knows this. That's how they literally designed the race.
Siege tanks, liberators, widow mines, bunkers, cyclones, banshees, maruaders, etc.
If you throw away your units like a dumbass to kill workers. You lose. You're supposed to siege them and prevent them from expanding with Terran.
2-3 rax bunker rush. That's a siege.
2 rax medivacs. That's a siege with marine medivac.
Hellion banshee. That's a siege.
Marines tank push is a siege.
Marine liberators. Also a siege.
All good Terran builds are sieges.
Terrans try to drop and harass and lose their units then lose to the counter attack.
It was like this all throughout sc1 and sc2.
Zerg is counter attacking and defending.
Protoss is timing attacks and skirmishes. Hence warp in abilities.
Learn to play.
Patience!
Maru threw game 3 so hard
so disappointed that Brian didn't say "delineated"...
@29:18
please revert the feedback nerf.
You have enough overpowered stuff. This ability can be balanced. Just storm instead and never lose
Thx for nice balance blizzard !
Geeeeeeeee Geeeeeeeeeee!!!
The biggest bs about protoss is their macro. They can produce probes at 1.5x speed of terran AND they don't need to spend time building their structures. In 5 minutes of the game, they get to mine over 1k more resources, which allows them to hold off any incoming attacks. By the time terran arrives with a 2-base push, toss has secured 3 bases, fully saturated with workers AND enough army to defend. This is an RTS game - players need to be looking for a good balance between their army and workers to struggle to stay alive at any point of the game. Protoss gets both of those NO PROBLEM. It's insane that terrans ABSOLUTELY MUST harass toss to slow down their economy when it takes them exactly 45 seconds(!) to build 15 workers off of just 3 bases (which is the amount you can kill with INSANE luck during your harass). Furthermore, toss has this amazing ability to hide their tech and cheese the opponent. Sitting in your natural as terran, you are almost never sure of what is coming. Is it blink stalker? Is it warp prism? Or could it be DTs? Or maybe it's a goddam glaive adepts all-in (is it an all-in if you have 61 workers tho? hmmm). Oh, right, it could also be tempest rush with batteries just outside your natural. You're thinking of ways how to prevent any of those, but before your wall-off is done at the second base, a ton of chargelots arrive and rip everything to shreds... Please, Blizzard. Fix this goddam race.
P.s. Before ppl respond: Yea, im a 4500mmr potato terran who knows nothing about balance, right? I get it.
But I have 70% winrate in TvT, 55% winrate in TvZ and 24%(!!!!) winrate in TvP! I won 11 games and lost 32 games against protoss this season. This IS a balance issue EVEN at lower leagues, as it takes WAY LESS SKILL and APM for protoss to control their army efficiently and choose when to invest in economy or army.
Lol terrans harass to get easy wins, Maru could get 2:0 if didnt send away his army in crucial moments. Look at last game, how to hold mass gates with blink stalkers when you took some damage - Maru thinks that you should unsiege your tanks, and send away half of your army.
amai he was hoping for a window to move out and deal some counter damage because he knows Protoss is getting infinitely ahead, probably sitting on 3 bases, while Maru was having difficulties securing his natural. Just turtling on 2 bases letting Protoss macro their minds out will never end in a win. Also, tanks are a joke to blink stalkers. Sieged or not, they look sad if there isn’t enough bio protecting them
amai the unsiege at 31:07 was to reposition the tank in a safer and better position. If there was an obs, that tank would’ve been shot from the low ground.
@@ramil8029 to reposition the tank to a safer and better position at worst possible timing. He saw previous games, he saw waves tactics, but somehow he didnt expect same wave tactics at this game.
Fuck yeah!! Woo-hoo!
8:08
not saying widows are op, but they are a really dumb unit
gg's
Protoss op
Can't spell Protoss without CHEESE
as a protoss player that him is the protoss of protoss
Sean Roh You’re a fucking tool, Sean
monsanto protoss
ooommmmgggggggggggggggggggg
banana grapes
i hate when maru goes for widow mines it's so overrated....
Idk within 2019 gsl's (S1 and supertournamen1) there's been a Terran meta of widowmine drops in the opponent's main or Nat.... Generally kills enough workers to be worth it, the game just never really got there. The widowmines are worth it for the economy as long as one of the first 3 drops actually kill like 15+ probes.
it's actually worth it. And you can transition to tanks for defense easily while taking 3rd because of the low cost of the mines
They 1-shot oracles, so they're fantastic if Protoss goes for them. That's why Terran was so strong against Protoss when the top Terrans were playing against Protoss.
SHAMECRAFT
First inno, then maru. Blizzard fix the stupid TvP...!!!!
More Maru and Inno have to fix they build. Patience just abuses they greedy game style.
Maru beat every other protoss in season 1 but i guess that was like a month ago so thats irrelevant
@@peterchui1964 Yes but somehow Maru and Innovations thinks Patience is not a too good player. Having the possibility of Adepts rush on the front of the base and still playing drops and standard build instead of concentrating everything and build/APM everything to prevent. The priority should be in front of the base instead of it they just try to shave a few probes on another side of the map.
Don't worry when it's 7 protoss one Terran in the round of 8 again there will still be people denying balance issues .
No when u can go through Trerrans race report and see 10% lower win rate against P and 10% higher win rate for P against T there's something wrong. Most T worst matchup is TvP most P best match up is PvT
NO BALANCe AT STARCRAFT ONLY MONEY/ MONEY Of UNSKILLeD ToSS PLAYerS
Maru out wth
This is not knock out tournament. He still has to lose inno next match to be eliminated
Patchtoss needs a balance change. Aside from Gumhio, supertournament was ALL protoss. What kind of crap is that. What a joke
So it was 7 tosses 1 terran and Maru who threw away his games, with weird experimental builds. And what we see? Terran steamrolled to finals, and could easily get the whole thing, if played a bit less sloppy, despite showing all his builds before that.
And terrans still whine about balance. OMG.
JESUS CHRIST RETURNS, REPENT OF SIN AND CHANGE YOUR WA;;Y___ OF LIVING
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종빨봐라 ㅋㅋ 실력없으니 사도뽕이나 치고 앉아있네
Protoss is just overpowered, not even funny!
Oh, so thats why since 2017 there has been 6 terran winners and only 3 toss winners in GSL? 0.0 (and, for the record, no zerg winners...)
NO BALANCe AT STARCRAFT ONLY MONEY/ MONEY Of UNSKILLeD ToSS PLAYerS
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NO BALANCe AT STARCRAFT ONLY MONEY/ MONEY Of UNSKILLeD ToSS PLAYerS
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