Darth Vader's Successor: Lumiya, the Dark Lady of the Sith | Manda-LORE

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 103

  • @lordvader1993ger
    @lordvader1993ger 3 роки тому +81

    That is my girl.

    • @kevinbridgman8701
      @kevinbridgman8701 3 роки тому +5

      Lmao 🤣

    • @LordVader066
      @LordVader066 3 роки тому +10

      Impostor! I’m the real Vader!

    • @zBMatt
      @zBMatt Рік тому +3

      Na, she’s for the galaxy.

    • @NatHazel
      @NatHazel 6 місяців тому +1

      So which one of you is the real Vader?
      Both: I AM!
      Vader 2: don’t fooled by this imposter! He’s clearly trained to mimic my every move and is an agent of evil emperor zurg-
      Vader 1: *pulls off second Vader’s helmet as he pretends to gag then lifts his foot showing the name ‘Andy’ in sharpie written on the underside of his foot*
      Vader! I knew it was you all along

    • @DARTH_COMiX
      @DARTH_COMiX 3 місяці тому +1

      NO! i am the real dork lord of the sith, and i shall prove it!
      the two impostors: how?
      me: *force chokes them to death while they beg for mercy*
      me: like THIS.

  • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
    @grandadmiralzaarin4962 3 роки тому +65

    I think this statement from Darth Tyranus sums up Lumiya perfectly, "A failed apprentice makes for a foolish master."

  • @magnenoalex2
    @magnenoalex2 3 роки тому +35

    I love how characters like asharad and Lumnyia span a long period of time.

    • @znmckague
      @znmckague 3 роки тому +7

      A'Sharad is best non-Bane-ite sith

  • @bluehero-96
    @bluehero-96 3 роки тому +33

    A Force Unleashed style video game about Luke Skywalker kicking Lumiya's and Shadowspawn's asses would be just... perfect.

  • @starwars90001
    @starwars90001 3 роки тому +22

    She's one of those characters I know exist but never knew much about. Gald to learn more about her.

  • @wolfpredator1000
    @wolfpredator1000 3 роки тому +6

    All these dark siders have such rich background worthy of a novelization per each

  • @sergioruiz733
    @sergioruiz733 3 роки тому +21

    I never really got into the SW 70s-80's Marvel comics, but these panels and stories are kinda neat. Im also starting to read the Legacy of the Force books so this video came out at a nice time for me. Thanks

    • @sonofluke3172
      @sonofluke3172 3 роки тому +1

      I really recommend them. I was very hesitant to get into them at first, but they can be really good.

    • @sergioruiz733
      @sergioruiz733 3 роки тому +1

      @@sonofluke3172 Im on the fence as I am interested in Lumiya, The Mandalorians, Fenn Sysha along with Cronal and the comprehensive list he leaves for Lumiya makes it easy to collect those stories. Im intrigued for sure.

    • @ImTheReverse
      @ImTheReverse 3 роки тому +2

      @@sergioruiz733 readcomicsfree.com I’d recommend reading them. The early issues are very good in my opinion. After you move past Empire Strikes Back, they get stale and the creativity of the stories goes down. It gets better near the end of the run with Lumiya and the Nagai-Tof war but overall, I think it’s worth the read.

    • @90skidcultist
      @90skidcultist 2 роки тому +1

      @@sergioruiz733 Darth Caedus is what Kylo Ren should have been. So is Darth Krayt. I recommend them as well. Very good reads, I just dislike Darth Sidious return during the Dark Empire.

  • @whitephoenix4230
    @whitephoenix4230 3 роки тому +31

    This entire story should have been the damn Sequel Trilogy. Not whatever the hell Disney gave us.

    • @reaperking7748
      @reaperking7748 3 роки тому +10

      Facts. What Disney gave us was just trash.

    • @theketaminefrog6366
      @theketaminefrog6366 2 роки тому +1

      As far as I know, The Legacy of the Force was no better than Disney Sequels

    • @torgan
      @torgan 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@theketaminefrog6366 it was worse. Far worse than the sequels. An abomination that misunderstood the philosophy of NJO and the characters of Jaina, Luke, and ESPECIALLY Jacen.

    • @theketaminefrog6366
      @theketaminefrog6366 6 місяців тому

      @@torgan Haven't read it yet, but I've heard that some retcons it introduced are akin to making Yoda a sith lord

  • @canderousordo8271
    @canderousordo8271 3 роки тому +4

    Glad you're back with such a long and interesting topic!

  • @MattmanDude44
    @MattmanDude44 3 роки тому +6

    You should do Darth Caedus soon.

  • @darthprime1990
    @darthprime1990 3 роки тому +10

    Lumiya could've continued the Sith legacy even after Palpatine and Vader's deaths. Granted, the Force would still be out of balance because of this scenario.

    • @jediknightjameslunagazer7632
      @jediknightjameslunagazer7632 3 роки тому

      well...there's Darth Krayt, so yeah, I think the sith would still continue to exist and come back.

    • @znmckague
      @znmckague 3 роки тому +4

      To be fair, the Force has been out of balance since the Je'Daii became the Jedi sooooo

    • @daniellongsworth4484
      @daniellongsworth4484 2 роки тому +1

      @@znmckague That's true.

    • @darkmoon8960
      @darkmoon8960 2 роки тому +2

      @@znmckague and balance was restored thanks to anakin and Its luke's destiny is to maintain the balance

  • @NateIsCorrupt
    @NateIsCorrupt Місяць тому

    I’m loving these lore videos, this continuity if better than Disney

  • @DarthBalsamic
    @DarthBalsamic 3 роки тому +2

    This was fantastic. Good stuff.

  • @mrsmith5114
    @mrsmith5114 Місяць тому

    Very Jedi of him to spare her life so she could kill MANY more. Blood on Lukes hands.

  • @Revali69
    @Revali69 3 роки тому +3

    Good video

  • @magnenoalex2
    @magnenoalex2 3 роки тому +5

    I refuse to believe she wanted Jacen to be a Sith (Vergere) we only have lumnyias word. I believe vergere worked with lumniya but not that she was grooming him. I believe her unique philosophy was her view of things.

    • @GreaterGrievobeast55
      @GreaterGrievobeast55 3 роки тому +1

      So what would vergere want of jacen then?

    • @magnenoalex2
      @magnenoalex2 3 роки тому +2

      @@GreaterGrievobeast55 for him to see the world as she does.

    • @magnenoalex2
      @magnenoalex2 3 роки тому +2

      Look I'm not saying that my idea is perfect but it's really frickin frustrating to retcon her motivations. And again we really only have Lumnyias word. We have no one else to verify her story. Bit Vergere is a hot Button for Jacen. It makes sense for lumniya to twist the truth with half truths as all sith Do to get Jacen closer to the dark side. I mean it wasn't even really vergeres teaching that got him closer to the dark side.

    • @magnenoalex2
      @magnenoalex2 3 роки тому +2

      @@GreaterGrievobeast55 I believe vergere saw the hypocrisy of the Jedi and left. And then came upon palps trained with him. Realized how crazy he was and went to run away. So now she's seen both light and dark side operations. Palps of course wants her dead because loose end. However she then lives with the vong for Decades. Beings outside the force. I think that would change her perspective as it seems to have in Traitor. She dies in NJO. Maybe she got into contact with lumnyia for what purpose idk we only have Lumnyia to verify. So we only have her word and her word alone. However vergere seemed to not believe in light side or dark aide anymore. Sith don't think like that. So I'm completely willing to accept the fact that lumnyia is simply telling half truths and we will never know the full story.

  • @user-wl5en4qw8n
    @user-wl5en4qw8n 3 роки тому +1

    I think a video on Mace Windu would be awesome

  • @independentscope6470
    @independentscope6470 3 роки тому +3

    Tadd this is some good stuff I myself have been an expanded universe fan since I was 8 years old so I know the difference between Legends and Canon I love Legends more than anything the stories are deep and you keep the continuity together the people I like to listen to on the UA-cam channel is Matt Wilkins and Ryan from RK Outpost but mostly if I really want to hear more deep expanding universe stories I think your channel's number one

    • @emzonik8851
      @emzonik8851 2 роки тому +3

      Well, Ryan does different stuff now unfortunately. You should also check out bigger channels like Eckhardsladder (he does some stuff from new canon but he's mostly about legends), Corey's Datapad and evanova95. I'm kinda pissed off however that none of them has mentioned the EU webside, which deffinitely deserves more popularity, so does Matt.

    • @independentscope6470
      @independentscope6470 2 роки тому +1

      @@emzonik8851 very true and I do watch his channel sometimes Ryan now is doing other stuff now but Matt Still does the expanding universe a lot of these UA-camrs. Eventide mention Matt Wilkins before so these two are actually the ones keeping the expanding Universe alive Buffalo other UA-cam channels I don't even know what they're doing right now because some of them don't even know Darth Maul's origin story

    • @emzonik8851
      @emzonik8851 2 роки тому +1

      @@independentscope6470 Well the EU is pretty much fine, I don't think they're keeping it alive. I guess that all of aware fans at least know that there are 2 sw universes, one inactive. Even Disney keeps Legends sort of alive, thay have this epic collection and relaunch some books every now and then. But I hope somebody will allow to continue it, maybe in 2024, 10 years after the creation of new continuity.

  • @amethyst7084
    @amethyst7084 Рік тому

    Interesting story arc - I had heard of Jacen and Jaina Solo, but not of Lumiya. 👏🏾

  • @darthdragonborn1552
    @darthdragonborn1552 3 роки тому +8

    Wait a second. There were no female Star Wars characters before Disney gave us Rey.🤔

  • @raphaelhanna8345
    @raphaelhanna8345 2 роки тому +2

    I'm personally curious to know if there are any people that like the stories that take place after the Yuuzhan Vong I don't know what to think myself but I'm just curious about other people's opinions

  • @polyman6859
    @polyman6859 11 місяців тому +1

    If Disney was competent in getting people to actually make shows or films I'd suggest one with Lumiya, Mara, and Galen as the main trio for their new canon.

  • @seekerofnothingness
    @seekerofnothingness 11 місяців тому +1

    Jacen "Cheated"? The duel was in a tunnel system which Mara had time to familiarise with and she was used to fighting like this thanks to her "Emperor's Hand" training. And Jacen is the one who cheated?

    • @Manda-LORE
      @Manda-LORE  11 місяців тому

      He used the force to change his face to resemble Ben's in order to distract Mara, then stabbed her with a poison dart. Mara was ready to land the killing blow when this happened, so yeah, I'd say Jacen cheated.

    • @seekerofnothingness
      @seekerofnothingness 11 місяців тому

      @Manda-LORE
      1. He just used all he had
      2. IT'S A BATTLE TO THE DEATH. I don't consider anything as cheating then ( Accept maybe outnumbering)
      Also, when you say cheated (especially without starting the other factors), it sounds like Jacen is weaker than Mara, which she herself says isn't true

    • @Manda-LORE
      @Manda-LORE  11 місяців тому +1

      @seekerofnothingness the book portrayed otherwise, seems to me she kicked his ass. She collapsed a tunnel on top of him, shot him, cut him up pretty bad and depleted most of his energy.
      Maybe by your standards, he didn't "cheat" but when you're making a half hour video about a character who wasn't even present for the duel (remember this video is about Lumiya) and are just explaining the duel to provide context, "he cheated" is a sufficient simplification. I didnt need to go full in depth on the duel for this video, the mention of it is to provide context. I go more in depth on the Kavan duel in my Mara Jade video and eventually, when I make a Jacen Solo video.

    • @seekerofnothingness
      @seekerofnothingness 11 місяців тому

      @Manda-LORE Mara kicked his ass because she had the advantage like I said earlier. That's why they were in the tunnels because it was a trap, that's why I don't think it's cheating if someone uses a trap against someone who used a trap first

  • @DoriansPortrait
    @DoriansPortrait 3 роки тому

    See.....THIS is the Star Wars we should have got!!

    • @emzonik8851
      @emzonik8851 2 роки тому +3

      We have. Legends exists, it is the old canon, I don't give a shit about the new one. I hope they will continue legends some day.

  • @spartacus936
    @spartacus936 3 роки тому +2

    In the sources you’ve put in the description there are the original Marvel comics. But the original Marvel comics weren’t in the Secondary Canon?

    • @Manda-LORE
      @Manda-LORE  3 роки тому +10

      Lumiya is C canon because of her appearance in Legacy of the Force, the marvel stories she appears in don't conflict with most c canon material either

  • @pilotamurorei
    @pilotamurorei 3 роки тому

    Hey tadd, watching this, it brought up a major question in terms of the lore heirarchy:
    You use the old marvel comics for most of her early stories and for the stuff in between ESB and ROTJ, but doesnt Shadows of the empire conflict with a lot of the stuff involving rogue squadron and Luke's relationship with her?

    • @Manda-LORE
      @Manda-LORE  3 роки тому +1

      The marvel comics are S Canon however the issues Lumiya appear in are C Canon as they are mentioned in the Legacy of the Force books. The issues lumiya appear in don't seem to inherently conflict with SOTE or the Rogue Squadron games when I was reading them.

    • @pilotamurorei
      @pilotamurorei 3 роки тому

      @@Manda-LORE that makes sense, if the LOTF books actually refer to her specific background story that would raise them up in the heirarchy. Thanks.

  • @Brendan-kx8iy
    @Brendan-kx8iy 3 роки тому +1

    I know it’s kind of irrelevant, but how legends friendly would you say a game like Jedi Fallen Order is, and how could it fit into the EU with what TCW references it may have?

    • @Manda-LORE
      @Manda-LORE  3 роки тому +1

      I haven't played fallen order so I have no clue

    • @znmckague
      @znmckague 3 роки тому +1

      @@Manda-LORE exactly, why give Disney or EA any money

    • @emzonik8851
      @emzonik8851 2 роки тому

      I have played some part of it and watched it on YT, so here's my anwser: It woyldn't fit well. As far as I know there are many refferences to rebels, the disney's trilogy (it's not a sequel for me) as well as to the stuff new Marvel comics do, but the biggest contradiction are Inquisitors. The Inquisitors in the new canon are nothing like what they are in Legends, in the old canon they don't wear any official armour and have different lightsabers whatever each of them wants to use (those spinning things are kinda cool but don't exist in legends). Their structure and hierarchy is different as well as far as I'm concerned. Actually I don't think that disney's version of inquisitors is worse, but overall I follow legends canon, so no Rebels or Fallen order.

  • @stranglestrong
    @stranglestrong 3 роки тому +2

    I forget why jacen wanted to hide his family from people knowing. The new jedi order didn't care about relationships. Was it political?

    • @Manda-LORE
      @Manda-LORE  3 роки тому +7

      Yeah, Jacen and Tenel Ka weren't married and Jacen wasn't royalty so their relationship was super scandalous to the Hapans. If their relationship got out, they would have diposed Tenel Ka or at least Alana wouldnt be recognized as a legitimate heir.

    • @stranglestrong
      @stranglestrong 3 роки тому

      @@Manda-LORE appreciate it. I wrote a fan fiction book if you want to check it out. I worked very hard to try and make it fit in the old eu and make it good. It's free on deviantart but you still have to make an account to read it because it's r rated. I'll be posting a new chapter every Friday.

    • @stranglestrong
      @stranglestrong 3 роки тому

      @@Manda-LORE it's called mandalorian rising. I put cad bane in it. But it's not the same cad bane from the clone wars. I did what filioni would do when he brought in eu characters but reversed. Cementing the fact that tcw is s Canon.

    • @jediknightjameslunagazer7632
      @jediknightjameslunagazer7632 3 роки тому

      @@stranglestrong Interesting, I would still have Cad Bane during the clone wars as a recurring antagonist, and maybe a rival to Durge the character who Bane replaced for his debut.

    • @stranglestrong
      @stranglestrong 3 роки тому

      @@jediknightjameslunagazer7632 not a bad idea. Mine is set during 16 bby. It takes a little bit to get going because I had to set up the story. Pretty much like any novel. But once it gets going it's fast pace and brutal. I wanted to get back to the kinetic energy of the clone wars 03. Pacing was important as well so it doesn t get boring. And having tension during the fights. I really wanted to get away from side kicks and protecting a child. I didn't want to get away from him bounty hunting. So you gotta build a story around that.

  • @marshalllatta2073
    @marshalllatta2073 3 роки тому +3

    Lumiya could be in star wars movie some day

    • @yrooxrksvi7142
      @yrooxrksvi7142 3 роки тому +4

      She should have been in place of Snoke. Period.

    • @ximthedespot4673
      @ximthedespot4673 3 роки тому +1

      @@yrooxrksvi7142 I think the First Order should have Thrawn as the Supreme Leader.

    • @yrooxrksvi7142
      @yrooxrksvi7142 3 роки тому +5

      @@ximthedespot4673 Then just adapt the Thrawn trilogy altogether instead of that trash.

    • @ximthedespot4673
      @ximthedespot4673 3 роки тому +4

      @@yrooxrksvi7142 That would sense and would overshadow Kathleen Kennedy's, I mean Darth Bitchnugget's, self insert Rey.

    • @fredbuchanan3060
      @fredbuchanan3060 Рік тому

      She had a similar wound to Snoke, at the top of the forehead.

  • @yrooxrksvi7142
    @yrooxrksvi7142 3 роки тому +6

    Imagine if we got her in the Sequel trilogy instead of the complete joke that was......Snoke. Oh right, Jar Jar and Roundhead and KK hate good content, only OT rehashes and woke politics are accepted.

    • @bluehero-96
      @bluehero-96 3 роки тому +1

      To be honest, I don't like Lumiya that much and think she overstayed her welcome by escaping Luke for so long.

    • @yrooxrksvi7142
      @yrooxrksvi7142 3 роки тому +1

      @@bluehero-96 Why is that ? What's wrong ? And while she did stay hidden for a long time, keep in mind Luke would also refuse to take lives.

    • @bluehero-96
      @bluehero-96 3 роки тому +1

      @@yrooxrksvi7142
      Yeah, Luke's compassion is what makes him so great, despite him having an insta-kill weapon like a lightsaber. However, he could have incapacitated and taken Lumiya alive several times, at least in my opinion.

    • @yrooxrksvi7142
      @yrooxrksvi7142 3 роки тому +1

      @@bluehero-96 His lightsaber ??? What about his freakishly immense power in the Force ? And it wouldn't have served any good to lock her up

    • @bluehero-96
      @bluehero-96 3 роки тому +1

      @@yrooxrksvi7142
      I mentioned his lightsaber because it's both a more standout feature of his character at a glance, and because it's a voluntarily part of his character. It's much easier for Luke to renounce a lightsaber than the Force, which is as much a part of him as his own limbs. Also, "it wouldn't have served any good to lock her up" is a bit contradictory to your earlier point about Luke not wanting to take a life. At which point, the only deliberate option is to willingly let her go, which would also be antithetical to Luke's cause.

  • @darthknightwingphoenix2081
    @darthknightwingphoenix2081 3 роки тому

    Why are you saying "su cuy" instead of "su cuy'gar"? Isn't that an incomplete greeting?

    • @Manda-LORE
      @Manda-LORE  3 роки тому +5

      Its interchangeable. Su'cuy Gar is formal while Su'cuy is informal. Its like saying "hi" instead of hello. There are instances of characters using just "su'cuy"

    • @darthknightwingphoenix2081
      @darthknightwingphoenix2081 3 роки тому

      @@Manda-LORE I see