As Böhm points out, the very notion of "be-lieve" is related to "be-loved", in other words what we'd love to be (the case). If we merely believe what we desire to be true, then it must be false. It's wishful thinking, quite literally.
Everything in reality is an interpretation of truth. Therefore the essence of nothingness could never exist in reality only the limited thought of its interpretation.
"Not A Thing" K says. Not a thing ... not a thing of thought created- manmade can enter that side? Nothingness! But that side is full of something called silence and space that is brimming with endless movement .... While I am made up of the things myself has created ... So ... K says, "Don't" even think about the other side. It is a pathless land not anyThing can enter. Just leave it alone. But work on the reality without any hint of reward or punishment while the other is "hopefully" attracted in the way I live or carry on, regardless ... my ignorance
There’s a problem here that goes on for some time in the discourse: K is actually complicating something that is obvious; desire is born of perception and the two cannot be separated if the thing is not immediately accessible. Even if an apple is right in front of you there may still be a moment of desire. I’ve listened to what might be hundreds of hour of K and Bohm, and others in the conversations, yet, as much as I respect K and see him almost as a father figure, I occasionally see some obtuseness. But that doesn’t mean I will stop listening, and Bohm didn’t stop either. You see, we must each approach the conversation critically and not make ourselves akin to ideological sycophants. I think K would be happy to hear this. Let’s go on then.
Hey Papa, Desire is not born of perception! Perception is without memory--when memory(or ego or habits etc)gets in the way of perception, then desire arises. Example --When you are enjoying cool air on a lovely day, for the first few seconds,there is almost no memory working, after a bit you exclaim, what a lovely day! Memory enters, and then thinking about it,then trying to be in the position where you can again get the same experience. Even if there is no new perception (say for example one shuts down all senses as sannyasis try to do), thought,memory,desire,fantasies goes on. Perception plays no role in it. The thing which goes on, goes on, with or without perception. It just keeps adding and subtracting new things perceived as per its tendencies and structure. I may be wrong, but this is what I have understood. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Go deeper sir. Don’t stop there. Desire is born of thought, from its movement when it sees the apple/object it starts its game. Those movements are subtle, but happen.
to the foundation: is ti possible to divide each section in the summary to parts in the video? Much of it is repetitive, especially is one has watched almost all talks and discusions, yet, from the summary there is almost something new in each discussion. Thank you
I am afraid that would be a bit beyond the scope of what's possible, as we host over a thousand between full-length audio and video recordings. But for each Q&A meeting, where the demarcation between questions is more defined, there are separate extracts for each.
We are all fragments of GOD -the Big Bang occurred when God decides to splinter himself into fragmentation's so he/she could feel the infinite through each fragments and live forever and end the loneliness of the before.❤
I think they are referring to a series of 8 seminars held just before these meetings, whose participants were J. Krishnamurti, David Bohm, David Butt, Bryan Goodwin, Robin Monro, T.K. Parchure, David Peat, David Shainberg, Harsh Tanka, Maurice Wilkins, Joe Zorskie. However these haven't yet been produced, but we expect to release them next year.
@@lokeshparihar7672 That series in from 1974; we are pretty sure they are rather referring to another series of seminars that took place in 1975, only a few days before this conversation.
They haven't been released yet. They aren't in the pipeline for short-term release, but they will be published eventually, possibly later this year or the next.
At 24:14 k is saying that if God created this universe then why he created it....isn't god himself beautiful?.....in book of genesis it is written "God created man in his own image" means we have the same desires as God has before he created this universe.......you are God.
"The truth of the world of reality is it's falseness" incredible insight
is in its falsness
As Böhm points out, the very notion of "be-lieve" is related to "be-loved", in other words what we'd love to be (the case). If we merely believe what we desire to be true, then it must be false. It's wishful thinking, quite literally.
The questions are born of the answers. When we accept the answer, there is no other question.
This is the closest we'll ever get to hearing Socrates in a dialogue with the Buddha.
Quantas respostas a disposição da humanidade, para nosso viver; pena não fazermos às perguntas.
Love is all that matters.
Everything in reality is an interpretation of truth. Therefore the essence of nothingness could never exist in reality only the limited thought of its interpretation.
"Not A Thing" K says.
Not a thing ... not a thing of thought created- manmade can enter that side? Nothingness! But that side is full of something called silence and space that is brimming with endless movement ....
While I am made up of the things myself has created
... So ... K says, "Don't" even think about the other side. It is a pathless land not anyThing can enter. Just leave it alone. But work on the reality without any hint of reward or punishment while the other is "hopefully" attracted in the way I live or carry on, regardless ... my ignorance
The Actually and the Reality is having their discussion pls. Listen and MEDITATE UPON ❤🙏
Could any one tell me the title or link of the video about the discussion with scientist David Bohm was talking about?
There’s a problem here that goes on for some time in the discourse: K is actually complicating something that is obvious; desire is born of perception and the two cannot be separated if the thing is not immediately accessible. Even if an apple is right in front of you there may still be a moment of desire. I’ve listened to what might be hundreds of hour of K and Bohm, and others in the conversations, yet, as much as I respect K and see him almost as a father figure, I occasionally see some obtuseness. But that doesn’t mean I will stop listening, and Bohm didn’t stop either. You see, we must each approach the conversation critically and not make ourselves akin to ideological sycophants. I think K would be happy to hear this. Let’s go on then.
Hey Papa, Desire is not born of perception! Perception is without memory--when memory(or ego or habits etc)gets in the way of perception, then desire arises.
Example --When you are enjoying cool air on a lovely day, for the first few seconds,there is almost no memory working, after a bit you exclaim, what a lovely day! Memory enters, and then thinking about it,then trying to be in the position where you can again get the same experience.
Even if there is no new perception (say for example one shuts down all senses as sannyasis try to do), thought,memory,desire,fantasies goes on. Perception plays no role in it. The thing which goes on, goes on, with or without perception. It just keeps adding and subtracting new things perceived as per its tendencies and structure.
I may be wrong, but this is what I have understood. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Go deeper sir. Don’t stop there. Desire is born of thought, from its movement when it sees the apple/object it starts its game. Those movements are subtle, but happen.
to the foundation: is ti possible to divide each section in the summary to parts in the video? Much of it is repetitive, especially is one has watched almost all talks and discusions, yet, from the summary there is almost something new in each discussion. Thank you
I am afraid that would be a bit beyond the scope of what's possible, as we host over a thousand between full-length audio and video recordings. But for each Q&A meeting, where the demarcation between questions is more defined, there are separate extracts for each.
We are all fragments of GOD -the Big Bang occurred when God decides to splinter himself into fragmentation's so he/she could feel the infinite through each fragments and live forever and end the loneliness of the before.❤
💥🧡🌻
Hi, is the scientists conference they mention at the beginning available somewhere?
I think they are referring to a series of 8 seminars held just before these meetings, whose participants were J. Krishnamurti, David Bohm, David Butt, Bryan Goodwin, Robin Monro, T.K. Parchure, David Peat, David Shainberg, Harsh Tanka, Maurice Wilkins, Joe Zorskie. However these haven't yet been produced, but we expect to release them next year.
ua-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus6lqcng-EQBCVhSuBUcIEWX.html
@@lokeshparihar7672 That series in from 1974; we are pretty sure they are rather referring to another series of seminars that took place in 1975, only a few days before this conversation.
@@KFoundation Hello! Has the series of these 8 seminars been published yet? If yes, would you kindly give a link to it.
They haven't been released yet. They aren't in the pipeline for short-term release, but they will be published eventually, possibly later this year or the next.
17:34 JK forgot what that was like lol
At 24:14 k is saying that if God created this universe then why he created it....isn't god himself beautiful?.....in book of genesis it is written "God created man in his own image" means we have the same desires as God has before he created this universe.......you are God.
God is your idealized projection of yourself.