BRS-3000Ts are available on Amazon from US shippers for $16-$18 if you need it in 3 days. Out of China or GearBest, they range from $9 to $14 including shipping (maybe varying due to the exchange rate?) and take 8 to 20 days to arrive. I order 2-3 at a time a few times each year and hand them out to friends (and occasionally strangers).
The BRS Ultralight Camping Gas Stove is now on amazon prime, just so people know, though BF did link the cheaper long ship and the prime link. Now one of the best cheap light weight cook sets are the BRS + a TOAKS Titanium 750ml Pot + a mini bic, which cost ~$55 if you are in a rush or ~$50 if not. And coming in with a total weight about about 6oz if it crazy light alone with the low price tag. It is less then half the weight and about half the cost of a classic jetboil system.
@@Autonomous15 Yeah ... Um, I bought a jetboil knockoff for $39 to try, and it did boil the water in a MUCH shorter time. If time, not weight, was the limiting factor for some reason, I'd consider taking it.
I always count an empty canister as part of base weight, but not the fuel itself. Empty 110g fuel canisters are about 100g. Good luck on your FKT attempt.
I can bring two cups of water to a boil exactly 12 times on a small canister of fuel using my BRS stove. My old pocket rocket must burn a little more efficiently because I can get 14 boils, but it weighs 3 ounces more. If I'm going camping I take the pocker rocket, but on a long section hike I will take the BRS. Also, the BRS stove fits nicely into my titanium cook pot with my fuel canister and mini Bic lighter and the pocket rocket I have to pack separately which takes up more space.
I’m a ‘traditional’ heavy hiker transitioning to lightweight and I have just moved from a gas cooker with windshield weighing 670 grams to the Toaks titanium siphon stove with the pot stand and with a homemade foil base and windshield, my small titanium pot and fuel bottle comes in at less than 200 grams total. For a predominantly cold soak hike with the odd hot drink when it rains, this is a good option for me personally and remember I’m just going lightweight and not Ultra. I’ve followed your videos for well over a year now Bigfoot and Gained a lot of tips and inspiration - thank you man! But let’s try and turn the tables; don’t give up on the lightweight alcohol setup, research and try another system. After all, think about all those empty fuel canisters not to mention the weight difference. I hope I can contribute and inspire you to give it another go with a different alcohol stove. I’ll let you know next week how my new system works for me. Thanks again for all of the great content. Charlie mike - continue mission!!
Depending on how long you are between resupplies it may make sense to carry two small canisters rather than one large one even with the weight penalty because these canisters DO sometimes leak and more than one hiker has tried to fire up his or her stove only to discover the canister which they have used only once is empty...always unscrew your stove. Make it a habit to feel and listen for leaks when you attach the stove. Use a little bar soap on the threads.
Thanks for the advice. Mostly I always carry a lightweight wood/alcohol stove just in case (40 grams). But if you want to use it for alcohol you need fuel and a burner too. It works fine with wood. I will make a video on it later on.
I'd like to see that vid. Maybe it's time to update my stove. I've used a titanium Vargo Hexagon for six or seven years now years now. It weighs a lot more than 40g, even with the additional holes I drilled in it for ventilation.
I saw one video where a similar stove was shipped in 2 days from Amazon and I ordered this same stove you have a Month ago from eBay and thought it was WAY too long and told them so , I guess now I'll apologize that this was the normal time for this but that other user got his in less than 2 days, perhaps it was a brand name, but I really like this as I can hardly wait to try it out. the only concern is those canisters and too bad much larger ones are available
+Tony Rueb very nice. There are two different links so I put both of them in the description box. the cheaper one takes longer, but if you're cool with spending a extra 3-4 bucks you'll have it in 2 days time
I have the Stainless Steel Vargo BOT. mine does not have the measurement graduations though. It's has to be one of the best recent additions to my system. Extremely versatile! It's like a 1 quart canteen cup, only you can seal the lid to pack water too!
Hey Brother, love the post on the stove. When you get back I should be close to chat about my AT Gear List. Still in the buying, checking things out and sometimes returning phase. Fortunately so many hikers the past two seasons have carried or worn such a vast array of gear that I think I am starting with a much narrower and more focused list. It's just the Winter Gear for a February 1 Start that still has me spinning. I am certain on the tent, Zpack Duplex, certain on both my quilts for Winter/Early Spring Katabatic Elite Sawatch 15 deg. Late Spring/Early Summer Katabatic Flex 30 deg. I have picked up both the Osprey Aether and Osprey Exos 58 for winter and summer. Hoping I can carry all my winter gear in the Exos. It's just the extra bulk of clothing. Thanks again, be good, be safe, be careful. Breeze
The Elite has the foot box, I'll be sleeping in IceBreaker 260's and using a Thermarest NeoAir XTherm MAX Pad. Pretty sure that the 15 deg. is going to keep me warm enough with the pad. Most who started early this year were in 20 deg quilts and bags and didn't have an issue with the cold.
Exactly. I use Lighterpack and I have two entries for my alcohol - the containers which get counted as baseweight, and the fluid which I put as consumable.
It's funny I just got the BRS stove for my trip up to Vermont. Never used a stove like that, only the jet boil and a twig burning stove, so I'm excited.
Trail Designs has a new titanium windshield cone with beer can stove set-up that fits into a titanium cup. Very light and faster cook times. I do not have one. I have an earlier version Ti-Tri Caldera that also works as a gasdifying wood stove (the best?), but it does take up a lot of space. Anyway, that wind screen set-up retains a lot of heat, speeding the cook time.
I have a Vargo Triad and an Evernew. The Evernew is now packed away never to be used again. It's very robust and quick to use, but it DRINKS fuel. By all accounts it works better at very high altitude but it's not efficient. Fast though.
Darwin (On The Trail) came over to Scotland to do the TGO Challenge. Technically he failed it because he had to use public transport - to take a train journey from the town he arrived in to a larger town, and back, to get a gas canister. (They didn't hold it against him though and said he did it). And that's why I don't like them - availability. So you get this amazing ultralight burner but people end up carrying two cans of gas with their gas weight and the metal weight. Meths you can get everywhere in the UK, and cheaply. Heck you can knock on a farmer's door for a cup of it. Of course in the US on the main trails there are enough gas places.
Have you ever tried to use it like a nalgene hot water bottle in your sleeping bag? Do you think it would stay warm all night? I know Ti loses heat quickly.
I have the Vargo Triad Gen 1 with the small filling hole and the crappy legs/pot support and use it every day. With "difficult to light" I suppose you mean it took a long time to bloom? Put a piece of tin foil or the cut out bottom of a soda can or a bottle cap with some alcohol underneath it and light that first. The Triad stove will bloom in no time.
+Bruce Matson I don't know if I understand your question. Do you mean how do I pour the hot water from the BOT into the bag I'm rehydrating my dehydrated or freeze dried food?
Sorry to be unclear, but basically, yes. If you use the Bot to boil water do you have to use a bandana or some pot grabber to pour water out of the Bot (I assume the sides of the Bot would be very hot)? Thanks - I'm intrigued by the multi=purpose aspect of the Bot.
+Bruce Matson They have some UL pot grabbers you can get that don't weight much. When i used them last weekend I was able to grab the very top of the BOT with my bare hand without my bandana and poured the hot water in the food bag. I think because it is a larger pot at 1L, the titanium doesn't have enough time to heat the entire BOT and for me, was only warm to the touch instead of hot as it would be lower on the BOT
Have you ever considered a "twig" burner? I switched from gas (sort of) to a twig burner this year, mostly because of fuel weight and availability on the trail. I was using an alcohol stove years ago but the cost of food grade alcohol was just getting too expensive. Just curious
I use the aqua mira drops, but they feel like its a slowing me down. Do you have a strategy for mixing the liquid for a few minutes and save you that time waiting by the water source? Also, why not include the canister as base weight?
+Tony Perez-Carpenter yes, I have a small .1oz mixing bottle I got from anti-gravity gear that I'll mix the droplets in while I am hiking before I get to the water source. By the time I'm there it's ready to be mixed. I will count the canister as base weight. Some people do, some don't. You will always have that weight but the fuel is a consumable
Question about the vargo bot: I realize a bit on the small side, but can the lid conceivably be used as a small coffee cup? How many oz can it hold? It would be nice to have that as my cup/pot combo...
It can indeed. But it's a bit of a pain to clean because of the threads and what would be the lip of the cup curves inside, a nice little crevice for bacteria. It holds approx. 1 cup of water BTW
@@bivvybagger5760 if your pouring boiling water or nearly boiling water into the lid you’re using as a cup, there’s no need to be too worried about bacteria. Any heat over 168° F will kill any bacteria. The ONLY real concern about using Titanium as a coffee cup is that Titanium transfers heat remarkably well so there’s a distinct possibility of burning your lips by drinking hot fluids from a Titanium vessel. To mitigate that possibility, slap some tape on the edge of your cup where your lips will be touching the metal.
+Warren Davidson I will be using my foam air pad for a wind screen to save weight and block hr majority of the wind. BRS stove is a great pick when you are just boiling water and want a UL option. Can't believe what a great deal that stove is
+matanuska high yes, it's great. Went with the 1L because I was going to use it sometimes to perhaps do my aqua Mira treatment but since I am bringing the BeFree filter I probably could have gone with that
There is some pretty compelling data compilations (Google it) that indicate alcohol fuel stoves are only advantageous on long distance treks where a person has to pack in the total fuel supply needed for the extent of the trip.
Rory, I really would like to see an indepth review of the BOT. I've read that it can be not so hot in cold weather. That it can be difficult to open, and doesn't seal as well in really hot weather either. I've been looking at this for the very reason you state for a PCT thru attempt in a year or so. BUT...I've been reluctant to pull the trigger due to the negative reviews I've read. Also, a wile ago I stopped looking at weight as much as functionality. I'll bear the weight penalty if the item has multi-functions. And I'm not talking about multi-tools either. :-) So, I'd carry the extra weight of something like the BOT since it can also act as an extra water container, food hydrator, cup, and of course cook pot. As someone else said you can also look into something like the Fancee Feast or Zelph stoves, or even the Trail Designs Caldera Cone systems which are heavier than what you have as a system, but will boil your water as fast as the BRS and will come with a container that can as as a cup and bowl. Just something ot look at for maybe a future hike. Like the setup you have now. Good luck and Cheers! DonP
+lostagain Thanks Don. I will be doing a full review after. I won't get a chance to see it in cold conditions until this winter though. It will be humid and pretty warm when I hike the SHT so I will put it to the test. I can see it not sealing well if you try and screw the top on like you screw a peanut butter bottle top. With it titanium you need to make sure the pot top is screwed on perfectly or it won't make the seal. I experimented on the trail and learned the to take my time when screwing it on instead of just jacking it on in a hurry. More to come when I get some more use out of it
lostagain I've never seen one before but it's a great idea if it deals well. It'd be nice if it had handles. It get really hot here though so thanks for brining up the weather considerations.
Does the fuel canister nest inside the 1L BOT? If you want to try another alcohol stove try a fancee feast stove by Zelph. Best alcohol stove I've used and you don't need a stand for it. Thanks for the videos.
No, I tried it out but didn’t like lighting the alcohol stove. I currently use the BR stove ($18 on Amazon) with a small fuel canister. If I don’t feel like cooking I just ditch the fuel and hold on to the BR stove that only weighs .88oz and when I feel like cooking then I buy a canister the next time I’m in town.
I'd never use a windscreen with a canister stove. Too risky. The screen could easily reflect heat back onto the canister and increase temperatures inside of the canister to a dangerous degree. It's not common, but a canister explosion is no fun.
Don’t believe the crap about a BRS melting. Do your research. Titanium melts at such a high temperature that it’s impossible to melt it with propane being the heat source with an open flams. Try things yourself so you’ll be absolutely informed. Or don’t, your choice totally.
This video just popped up for me to watch. Wish I saw it earlier. I know a better way to light alcohol stoves (and wood stoves...and campfires...Isbit fuel...smoke products...etc.). I put this on another of BF's video comment section. It is called a HEMPLIGHTS. It is a lightweight (8g for the Bic version), durable hemp wick dispenser that fits over Bics, Mini Bics and Crickets. (The Mini version is not ideal for packing/camping.) To use, you simply lead out a section of the hemp wick, light it with the lighter flame, extinguish the lighter flame and then use the lit hemp wick to light your stove, campfire and so forth. The keys are that 1) Hemplights wick is coated with bee's wax so it won't soak up alcohol, and 2) the wax makes the wick stiff enough to extend 4" from the lighter, so you can easily reach whatever you are lighting. This product was designed for smokers of smoke product as more preferrable than inhaling lighter fumes, but I realized it is ideal for backpacking and camping. You can see a demo video at www.Hemplights.com. Full disclosure, I happen to know the president of the company and told him he should market this to hikers and campers. I have since helped him get them into some stores. It is something I do to help promote I great idea. My career is actually commercial solar. One more thing, it makes your lighter last a long time. I have been using it on a Bic for a while and the lighter flint is wearing out, but there is still plenty of fuel. So this is a really good product for through-hikers. I have been getting away from cannister stoves because I do not like all the trash of the canisters. So I use alcohol, Isbit, or gassifying wood stove set-ups from Trail Designs.
As for the BRS stove if you don't mind paying a few extra dollars ($3-4) I found a US based seller via amazon back in the day I am sure you can find it as well and link it Bigfoot if not I can search it up in my order history and see if they are still around/selling it and pass it your way. I love my BRS Stove too but in the winter time I tend to use a "bush craft" camping stove. Have you tried a "bush craft" type cooking system yet? The best thing about them is you don't need to carry the fuel because you can just use sticks etc to get it going. I know some of them are expensive but you can find pretty cheap decent ones on amazon (Bush Buddy Stove, Bushbox). The titanium ones aren't that much more if you are concerned about weight as well. They also make some great pieces to go with them (like a grill for the top of the Bushbox). Oh and I know you don't want to add more weight to your pack; but I never go camping without a scraper for my cookware. It helps a ton with getting the caked on food out. They are pretty light weight and a luxury item probably in your eye but give them a try makes clean up easier. I snagged the two pack (Lodge Scraper) off amazon but there are others ones out there that are probably better or just as good.
+momo Thanks momo. After I filmed I found a US link and put it in the description box for those that don't mind paying a few extra bucks. I haven't tried a bush craft stove at all, thanks for the advice!
momo Have you tried Solo Stove? (rocket stove) I like mine. (the light model) You can use liquid fuel or solid fuel tabs as well as biomass. They are more bulky than bushcraft stoves, but burn cleaner/longer, and are less affected by wind. The bushbox ultralight is a great choice though, if you go the bushcraft route. And, thanks for the scraper suggestion.
No I haven't tried that. I have funnily enough used one of those cheap fuel pellet stoves as well as a bush stove; you know the cheap squareish ones you can snag at walmart for like $10 when I had a ditzy moment and forgot my Bushbox at home. It wasn't that bad. If I was hands on I'd make my own little mini grill for it but I tend to just eat rice when I camp..I know exciting stuff. LOL
+Wristworm I'll have some zip lock bags with me so I may do that. Depends on whatever is easier for me at the time. I will definitely be trying a cat stove down the road as the weight is next to nothing!
RT Steele Of course it is weight too. It seem like you miss the point of baseweight, to be able to compare between different set ups without taking into account ever changing parameters. For example, if you have two packs of equal weight, but one have 5 days of food and 2 liters of water, and the other have one liter of water and food for an overnight hike, those packs are not the same to carry, at least not after the first 24 hours out. Because in the afternoon the second day, pack number one will continue to have weight removed for another three days. So, how do we compare them? By baseweight. If you are not interested, it's fine. If you find it hilarious that someone who want to compare the weight of his or her hiking setup use a system that make them able to compare weight between different setups, I guess it's because you don't get it. I guess that is fine too, but it make you come across as a bit... challenged on understanding a simple concept. But it's fine too, those who understand why the use of baseweight is useful need a good laughter too.
Someone else's base weight has no relevance to "your" base weight. We're all built different, carry things differently and each of us will have different needs. The term "base weight" was invented so ounce-counting knuckle heads can see who can spend the most money for the lightest gear. (Then suffer painfully on the trail and make a youtube video about it).
RT Steele So if two (or more) persons will compare who has the lightest pack, then the weight of the packs is irrelevant? Or if a person wan't to carry a lighter pack knowing the weight of the old pack and the new pack is irrelevant? THAT was really hilarious, joke of the day! And it's even more funny, because it seem you think you really have made a point! Thank you. Of course, nobody have to participate in this, but I truly believe every single hiker do a sacrifice in comfort to reduce weight, to a bigger or lesser degree. Even you. But I don't find that hilarious, only practical. If someone like to take it to a level beyond pure practicality, why does that matter in a grand scale, and more particular, why does it matter to you? And no, this is not a trick question or anything, I'm just genuinly interested why people look up videos about saving pack weight just to point out that they think it's pointless?
@@MrDanAng1 Daniel H, don't bother trying to argue with RT Steele. He's looking to be part of a problem, not a solution. Your initial reply was excellent; comprehensive and well-boundaried.
Milwaukee Dan So true, that BRS looks like a great stove but you gotta love that Cat Can. So easy to make, so easy to light and use, single digits in grams.
I can't seem to find heet in any gas stations here in CA, but you can order them pretty cheap (especially if you buy a case). The plastic bottle is so light!
question about AguaMira. do you prefix the drops and store in a small bottle for when needed. I am good on a hike and don't want to take both bottle if I don't need to.
Love the BRS stove. It has been amazing to use. Strong burn, light weight.
Great little stove the BRS and with it's cheap price it's just a no brainer!
I love that you are out trying all this different gear so I don't waste time and money buying and returning things . I feel I can trust your opinions.
Thanks man, Ive watched quite a bit of your videos in the past. Inspiring
BRS-3000Ts are available on Amazon from US shippers for $16-$18 if you need it in 3 days. Out of China or GearBest, they range from $9 to $14 including shipping (maybe varying due to the exchange rate?) and take 8 to 20 days to arrive. I order 2-3 at a time a few times each year and hand them out to friends (and occasionally strangers).
The BRS Ultralight Camping Gas Stove is now on amazon prime, just so people know, though BF did link the cheaper long ship and the prime link. Now one of the best cheap light weight cook sets are the BRS + a TOAKS Titanium 750ml Pot + a mini bic, which cost ~$55 if you are in a rush or ~$50 if not. And coming in with a total weight about about 6oz if it crazy light alone with the low price tag. It is less then half the weight and about half the cost of a classic jetboil system.
+Loathomar Toaks 750ml is a great pot, I have the same pot. That has been my cook system before I went stoveless
@@Autonomous15 Yeah ... Um, I bought a jetboil knockoff for $39 to try, and it did boil the water in a MUCH shorter time. If time, not weight, was the limiting factor for some reason, I'd consider taking it.
Jetboil is a neat luxury feature to have. I recommend it if one has a camper van and no stove/oven.
Also it's great for canoeing.
I always count an empty canister as part of base weight, but not the fuel itself. Empty 110g fuel canisters are about 100g. Good luck on your FKT attempt.
About to say the same thing.
+Russell in the Bush Thanks Russell!
I can bring two cups of water to a boil exactly 12 times on a small canister of fuel using my BRS stove. My old pocket rocket must burn a little more efficiently because I can get 14 boils, but it weighs 3 ounces more. If I'm going camping I take the pocker rocket, but on a long section hike I will take the BRS. Also, the BRS stove fits nicely into my titanium cook pot with my fuel canister and mini Bic lighter and the pocket rocket I have to pack separately which takes up more space.
I’m a ‘traditional’ heavy hiker transitioning to lightweight and I have just moved from a gas cooker with windshield weighing 670 grams to the Toaks titanium siphon stove with the pot stand and with a homemade foil base and windshield, my small titanium pot and fuel bottle comes in at less than 200 grams total. For a predominantly cold soak hike with the odd hot drink when it rains, this is a good option for me personally and remember I’m just going lightweight and not Ultra. I’ve followed your videos for well over a year now Bigfoot and Gained a lot of tips and inspiration - thank you man! But let’s try and turn the tables; don’t give up on the lightweight alcohol setup, research and try another system. After all, think about all those empty fuel canisters not to mention the weight difference. I hope I can contribute and inspire you to give it another go with a different alcohol stove. I’ll let you know next week how my new system works for me. Thanks again for all of the great content. Charlie mike - continue mission!!
I have the same stove, really perfekt. Did not think of getting smaller canister tough, must reconsider that. Thanks!
+Kevin Mcdonnell That's the best part!
Depending on how long you are between resupplies it may make sense to carry two small canisters rather than one large one even with the weight penalty because these canisters DO sometimes leak and more than one hiker has tried to fire up his or her stove only to discover the canister which they have used only once is empty...always unscrew your stove. Make it a habit to feel and listen for leaks when you attach the stove. Use a little bar soap on the threads.
Thanks for the advice. Mostly I always carry a lightweight wood/alcohol stove just in case (40 grams). But if you want to use it for alcohol you need fuel and a burner too. It works fine with wood. I will make a video on it later on.
I'd like to see that vid. Maybe it's time to update my stove. I've used a titanium Vargo Hexagon for six or seven years now years now. It weighs a lot more than 40g, even with the additional holes I drilled in it for ventilation.
I am sorry typed wrong, its 70 grams. The product is "Bushcraft Essentials Bushbox Ultralight". When the video is done you find it at my UA-cam.
I saw one video where a similar stove was shipped in 2 days from Amazon and I ordered this same stove you have a Month ago from eBay and thought it was WAY too long and told them so , I guess now I'll apologize that this was the normal time for this but that other user got his in less than 2 days, perhaps it was a brand name, but I really like this as I can hardly wait to try it out. the only concern is those canisters and too bad much larger ones are available
I ordered a BRS last week, it was prime eligible so it only took 2 days, so time is not that big of an issue now.
+Tony Rueb very nice. There are two different links so I put both of them in the description box. the cheaper one takes longer, but if you're cool with spending a extra 3-4 bucks you'll have it in 2 days time
I have the Stainless Steel Vargo BOT. mine does not have the measurement graduations though.
It's has to be one of the best recent additions to my system. Extremely versatile! It's like a 1 quart canteen cup, only you can seal the lid to pack water too!
+VanishingNomad so far I have been very happy with it. Glad to hear some other feedback about this product
Hey Brother, love the post on the stove. When you get back I should be close to chat about my AT Gear List. Still in the buying, checking things out and sometimes returning phase. Fortunately so many hikers the past two seasons have carried or worn such a vast array of gear that I think I am starting with a much narrower and more focused list. It's just the Winter Gear for a February 1 Start that still has me spinning. I am certain on the tent, Zpack Duplex, certain on both my quilts for Winter/Early Spring Katabatic Elite Sawatch 15 deg. Late Spring/Early Summer Katabatic Flex 30 deg. I have picked up both the Osprey Aether and Osprey Exos 58 for winter and summer. Hoping I can carry all my winter gear in the Exos. It's just the extra bulk of clothing. Thanks again, be good, be safe, be careful. Breeze
The Elite has the foot box, I'll be sleeping in IceBreaker 260's and using a Thermarest NeoAir XTherm MAX Pad. Pretty sure that the 15 deg. is going to keep me warm enough with the pad. Most who started early this year were in 20 deg quilts and bags and didn't have an issue with the cold.
The weight of the empty canister is part of your base weight, just as the empty bottle would be if you were using alcohol.
Exactly. I use Lighterpack and I have two entries for my alcohol - the containers which get counted as baseweight, and the fluid which I put as consumable.
It's funny I just got the BRS stove for my trip up to Vermont. Never used a stove like that, only the jet boil and a twig burning stove, so I'm excited.
+Tori Peltier 👍👍👍👍
to me the best is the evernew stove,it is basically a titanium trangia.
it is lightweight,cheap and effective.
or do a beer can stove.
Trail Designs has a new titanium windshield cone with beer can stove set-up that fits into a titanium cup. Very light and faster cook times.
I do not have one. I have an earlier version Ti-Tri Caldera that also works as a gasdifying wood stove (the best?), but it does take up a lot of space. Anyway, that wind screen set-up retains a lot of heat, speeding the cook time.
I have a Vargo Triad and an Evernew. The Evernew is now packed away never to be used again. It's very robust and quick to use, but it DRINKS fuel. By all accounts it works better at very high altitude but it's not efficient. Fast though.
please try the esbit titanium fuel system !
Does the msr fuel bottle fit into the bot with the stove?
What windscreen do you use (weigh)? or do you make our own?
I just posted this above: Check out Trail Designs new alcohol/Isbit set-up. It fits into a titanium cup. They sent me an email offer in it last week.
Darwin (On The Trail) came over to Scotland to do the TGO Challenge. Technically he failed it because he had to use public transport - to take a train journey from the town he arrived in to a larger town, and back, to get a gas canister. (They didn't hold it against him though and said he did it). And that's why I don't like them - availability. So you get this amazing ultralight burner but people end up carrying two cans of gas with their gas weight and the metal weight. Meths you can get everywhere in the UK, and cheaply. Heck you can knock on a farmer's door for a cup of it. Of course in the US on the main trails there are enough gas places.
How do you keep track of fuel level in canisters? I always know exactly how much alcohol I have.
At least a dozen boils with the BRS and 14 say 15 boils with a pocket rocket per canister
Have you ever tried to use it like a nalgene hot water bottle in your sleeping bag? Do you think it would stay warm all night? I know Ti loses heat quickly.
Weight of a small iso cannister is 7.4 ounces full, 3.9 oz of which is actual fuel.
This dude is hella consice and to the point. That's what I can appreciate about Bigfoot. ✌️👍
I have the Vargo Triad Gen 1 with the small filling hole and the crappy legs/pot support and use it every day. With "difficult to light" I suppose you mean it took a long time to bloom? Put a piece of tin foil or the cut out bottom of a soda can or a bottle cap with some alcohol underneath it and light that first. The Triad stove will bloom in no time.
+SFSideburns I'll try that, thank you
Still curious as to how to pour off hot water if you use a Bot for boiling water for a dehydrated meal, etc. Thanks
+Bruce Matson I don't know if I understand your question. Do you mean how do I pour the hot water from the BOT into the bag I'm rehydrating my dehydrated or freeze dried food?
Sorry to be unclear, but basically, yes. If you use the Bot to boil water do you have to use a bandana or some pot grabber to pour water out of the Bot (I assume the sides of the Bot would be very hot)? Thanks - I'm intrigued by the multi=purpose aspect of the Bot.
+Bruce Matson They have some UL pot grabbers you can get that don't weight much. When i used them last weekend I was able to grab the very top of the BOT with my bare hand without my bandana and poured the hot water in the food bag. I think because it is a larger pot at 1L, the titanium doesn't have enough time to heat the entire BOT and for me, was only warm to the touch instead of hot as it would be lower on the BOT
The BOT /BRS stove combo has been flawless on the AZT and backcountry Alaska....100% recommend !
Have you ever considered a "twig" burner? I switched from gas (sort of) to a twig burner this year, mostly because of fuel weight and availability on the trail. I was using an alcohol stove years ago but the cost of food grade alcohol was just getting too expensive. Just curious
How was the BOT with the BRS on the JMT? I'll have the same set up when I do my hike this July. Was stability a concern?
Do you count the weight of the empty full canister in your base weight?
+bphilips009 I never have, very few do though. I guess it depends how technical you want to be.
I use the aqua mira drops, but they feel like its a slowing me down. Do you have a strategy for mixing the liquid for a few minutes and save you that time waiting by the water source? Also, why not include the canister as base weight?
+Tony Perez-Carpenter yes, I have a small .1oz mixing bottle I got from anti-gravity gear that I'll mix the droplets in while I am hiking before I get to the water source. By the time I'm there it's ready to be mixed. I will count the canister as base weight. Some people do, some don't. You will always have that weight but the fuel is a consumable
Question about the vargo bot: I realize a bit on the small side, but can the lid conceivably be used as a small coffee cup? How many oz can it hold? It would be nice to have that as my cup/pot combo...
It can indeed. But it's a bit of a pain to clean because of the threads and what would be the lip of the cup curves inside, a nice little crevice for bacteria. It holds approx. 1 cup of water BTW
Bivvy Bagger thank you, good point!
@@bivvybagger5760 if your pouring boiling water or nearly boiling water into the lid you’re using as a cup, there’s no need to be too worried about bacteria. Any heat over 168° F will kill any bacteria.
The ONLY real concern about using Titanium as a coffee cup is that Titanium transfers heat remarkably well so there’s a distinct possibility of burning your lips by drinking hot fluids from a Titanium vessel. To mitigate that possibility, slap some tape on the edge of your cup where your lips will be touching the metal.
Missing your vids! Hope you are well.
I really like my BRS couple with a aluminum foil windscreen.
+Warren Davidson I will be using my foam air pad for a wind screen to save weight and block hr majority of the wind. BRS stove is a great pick when you are just boiling water and want a UL option. Can't believe what a great deal that stove is
have you seen the Bot 700 that has a handle? im looking into getting one myself
+matanuska high yes, it's great. Went with the 1L because I was going to use it sometimes to perhaps do my aqua Mira treatment but since I am bringing the BeFree filter I probably could have gone with that
There is some pretty compelling data compilations (Google it) that indicate alcohol fuel stoves are only advantageous on long distance treks where a person has to pack in the total fuel supply needed for the extent of the trip.
There's some youtube clips that go through the detail of that, too.
i sold my vargo because i had the same issue, can't light it quick now i go with a fancy feet stove
Rory, I really would like to see an indepth review of the BOT. I've read that it can be not so hot in cold weather. That it can be difficult to open, and doesn't seal as well in really hot weather either. I've been looking at this for the very reason you state for a PCT thru attempt in a year or so. BUT...I've been reluctant to pull the trigger due to the negative reviews I've read. Also, a wile ago I stopped looking at weight as much as functionality. I'll bear the weight penalty if the item has multi-functions. And I'm not talking about multi-tools either. :-) So, I'd carry the extra weight of something like the BOT since it can also act as an extra water container, food hydrator, cup, and of course cook pot. As someone else said you can also look into something like the Fancee Feast or Zelph stoves, or even the Trail Designs Caldera Cone systems which are heavier than what you have as a system, but will boil your water as fast as the BRS and will come with a container that can as as a cup and bowl. Just something ot look at for maybe a future hike. Like the setup you have now. Good luck and Cheers! DonP
+lostagain Thanks Don. I will be doing a full review after. I won't get a chance to see it in cold conditions until this winter though. It will be humid and pretty warm when I hike the SHT so I will put it to the test. I can see it not sealing well if you try and screw the top on like you screw a peanut butter bottle top. With it titanium you need to make sure the pot top is screwed on perfectly or it won't make the seal. I experimented on the trail and learned the to take my time when screwing it on instead of just jacking it on in a hurry. More to come when I get some more use out of it
lostagain I've never seen one before but it's a great idea if it deals well. It'd be nice if it had handles. It get really hot here though so thanks for brining up the weather considerations.
The titanium bot can be difficult to open.
Does the fuel canister nest inside the 1L BOT? If you want to try another alcohol stove try a fancee feast stove by Zelph. Best alcohol stove I've used and you don't need a stand for it. Thanks for the videos.
+Adam Holbrook Yep, fits perfectly right in. I'll put the stove and canister with the lighter inside. Heard great things about the fancee feast
I just had a thought. I know, what are the odds.
At that price and weight, just carry a backup BRS in the kit...
do you still use this set up? if so does the fuel sit inside the BOT?
No, I tried it out but didn’t like lighting the alcohol stove. I currently use the BR stove ($18 on Amazon) with a small fuel canister. If I don’t feel like cooking I just ditch the fuel and hold on to the BR stove that only weighs
.88oz and when I feel like cooking then I buy a canister the next time I’m in town.
I'd never use a windscreen with a canister stove. Too risky. The screen could easily reflect heat back onto the canister and increase temperatures inside of the canister to a dangerous degree. It's not common, but a canister explosion is no fun.
The empty canister weight isn’t counted either?
It should be. There's a lot more dishonest base weights out there than you'd think.
Thanks for the info B.F.
I've read too much about BRS stoves failing and even melting. I'll stick with my Pocket Rocket, thanks.
Don’t believe the crap about a BRS melting. Do your research. Titanium melts at such a high temperature that it’s impossible to melt it with propane being the heat source with an open flams. Try things yourself so you’ll be absolutely informed. Or don’t, your choice totally.
This video just popped up for me to watch. Wish I saw it earlier.
I know a better way to light alcohol stoves (and wood stoves...and campfires...Isbit fuel...smoke products...etc.). I put this on another of BF's video comment section.
It is called a HEMPLIGHTS. It is a lightweight (8g for the Bic version), durable hemp wick dispenser that fits over Bics, Mini Bics and Crickets. (The Mini version is not ideal for packing/camping.)
To use, you simply lead out a section of the hemp wick, light it with the lighter flame, extinguish the lighter flame and then use the lit hemp wick to light your stove, campfire and so forth.
The keys are that 1) Hemplights wick is coated with bee's wax so it won't soak up alcohol, and 2) the wax makes the wick stiff enough to extend 4" from the lighter, so you can easily reach whatever you are lighting.
This product was designed for smokers of smoke product as more preferrable than inhaling lighter fumes, but I realized it is ideal for backpacking and camping. You can see a demo video at www.Hemplights.com.
Full disclosure, I happen to know the president of the company and told him he should market this to hikers and campers. I have since helped him get them into some stores. It is something I do to help promote I great idea. My career is actually commercial solar.
One more thing, it makes your lighter last a long time. I have been using it on a Bic for a while and the lighter flint is wearing out, but there is still plenty of fuel. So this is a really good product for through-hikers.
I have been getting away from cannister stoves because I do not like all the trash of the canisters. So I use alcohol, Isbit, or gassifying wood stove set-ups from Trail Designs.
As for the BRS stove if you don't mind paying a few extra dollars ($3-4) I found a US based seller via amazon back in the day I am sure you can find it as well and link it Bigfoot if not I can search it up in my order history and see if they are still around/selling it and pass it your way. I love my BRS Stove too but in the winter time I tend to use a "bush craft" camping stove. Have you tried a "bush craft" type cooking system yet? The best thing about them is you don't need to carry the fuel because you can just use sticks etc to get it going. I know some of them are expensive but you can find pretty cheap decent ones on amazon (Bush Buddy Stove, Bushbox). The titanium ones aren't that much more if you are concerned about weight as well. They also make some great pieces to go with them (like a grill for the top of the Bushbox).
Oh and I know you don't want to add more weight to your pack; but I never go camping without a scraper for my cookware. It helps a ton with getting the caked on food out. They are pretty light weight and a luxury item probably in your eye but give them a try makes clean up easier. I snagged the two pack (Lodge Scraper) off amazon but there are others ones out there that are probably better or just as good.
+momo Thanks momo. After I filmed I found a US link and put it in the description box for those that don't mind paying a few extra bucks. I haven't tried a bush craft stove at all, thanks for the advice!
Should 100% give it a try! I also added to my post about snagging a scraper for your cook set as well.
momo Have you tried Solo Stove? (rocket stove) I like mine. (the light model) You can use liquid fuel or solid fuel tabs as well as biomass. They are more bulky than bushcraft stoves, but burn cleaner/longer, and are less affected by wind. The bushbox ultralight is a great choice though, if you go the bushcraft route. And, thanks for the scraper suggestion.
No I haven't tried that. I have funnily enough used one of those cheap fuel pellet stoves as well as a bush stove; you know the cheap squareish ones you can snag at walmart for like $10 when I had a ditzy moment and forgot my Bushbox at home. It wasn't that bad. If I was hands on I'd make my own little mini grill for it but I tend to just eat rice when I camp..I know exciting stuff. LOL
Why not rehydrate in a bag? Then you don't need to clean up the pot every time. Also, cat can stove works great and super light.
+Wristworm I'll have some zip lock bags with me so I may do that. Depends on whatever is easier for me at the time. I will definitely be trying a cat stove down the road as the weight is next to nothing!
Follow Bigfoot Just make sure it's a freezer bag. Regular zip locks will melt or so I'm told.
Does the fuel canister fit into the Vargo?
You ounce counters crack me up. "It doesn't count as base weight". If it's on your back, it's weight. LOL!
RT Steele
Of course it is weight too.
It seem like you miss the point of baseweight, to be able to compare between different set ups without taking into account ever changing parameters.
For example, if you have two packs of equal weight, but one have 5 days of food and 2 liters of water, and the other have one liter of water and food for an overnight hike, those packs are not the same to carry, at least not after the first 24 hours out.
Because in the afternoon the second day, pack number one will continue to have weight removed for another three days.
So, how do we compare them?
By baseweight.
If you are not interested, it's fine.
If you find it hilarious that someone who want to compare the weight of his or her hiking setup use a system that make them able to compare weight between different setups, I guess it's because you don't get it.
I guess that is fine too, but it make you come across as a bit... challenged on understanding a simple concept.
But it's fine too, those who understand why the use of baseweight is useful need a good laughter too.
Someone else's base weight has no relevance to "your" base weight. We're all built different, carry things differently and each of us will have different needs. The term "base weight" was invented so ounce-counting knuckle heads can see who can spend the most money for the lightest gear. (Then suffer painfully on the trail and make a youtube video about it).
RT Steele
So if two (or more) persons will compare who has the lightest pack, then the weight of the packs is irrelevant?
Or if a person wan't to carry a lighter pack knowing the weight of the old pack and the new pack is irrelevant?
THAT was really hilarious, joke of the day! And it's even more funny, because it seem you think you really have made a point! Thank you.
Of course, nobody have to participate in this, but I truly believe every single hiker do a sacrifice in comfort to reduce weight, to a bigger or lesser degree. Even you.
But I don't find that hilarious, only practical.
If someone like to take it to a level beyond pure practicality, why does that matter in a grand scale, and more particular, why does it matter to you? And no, this is not a trick question or anything, I'm just genuinly interested why people look up videos about saving pack weight just to point out that they think it's pointless?
@@MrDanAng1 Daniel H, don't bother trying to argue with RT Steele. He's looking to be part of a problem, not a solution. Your initial reply was excellent; comprehensive and well-boundaried.
numbereightyseven Thank you!
Cat can stove (I have and use the BSR too)
Milwaukee Dan cat food can is super easy to light, iv used mine now almost 1400 miles on the trail.
Milwaukee Dan So true, that BRS looks like a great stove but you gotta love that Cat Can. So easy to make, so easy to light and use, single digits in grams.
and you can find yellow bottle heat at every gas station
I can't seem to find heet in any gas stations here in CA, but you can order them pretty cheap (especially if you buy a case). The plastic bottle is so light!
Tony Perez-Carpenter yeah I take it for granted here in the Midwest .... you can burn 190 proof everclear plus you can drink it too
I have had water bottles bust on me so another way to carry water if u had too ...
+April H Yep, don't think you would have that problem with this 😊
Follow Bigfoot :)
You should look into the Evernew AT set.
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+Tom Martin I will do that. Thanks
Wow
🚶🏻 👣 🌙 💪 😎 👍 Love innovative modifications to a good hikers gear. cheers
Uh, not a good idea to use a wind screen, at least not one that surrounds the canister. Overheat those little canisters and BOOM!
+OldPackMule I use my butt pad in the direction of the wind, does not surround the canister, just blocks enough wind to extend my fuel life
Follow Bigfoot excellent. Good idea. Just figured I'd let the newbies know.
+OldPackMule Great point, glad you mentioned it
question about AguaMira. do you prefix the drops and store in a small bottle for when needed. I am good on a hike and don't want to take both bottle if I don't need to.
I don’t understand the alcohol stove fad. It’s dangerous and not efficient and more weight and cost in fuel overtime
8-10 bucks on ebay