Tear-Down of NZXT Kraken X63 Liquid Cooler

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  • Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
  • Taking apart NZXT's Kraken X63 liquid cooler revealed that it's significantly improved in one key area versus its predecessor, but otherwise mostly the same.
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    We've previously disassembled Asetek Gen5 and Gen6 pumps with the NZXT Kraken X62 and Corsair H150i Pro, respectively, and now it's time to take apart the Asetek Gen7 pump. Asetek is the supplier to NZXT's Kraken series, and is also a popular supplier for NZXT's direct competitors. Not many other suppliers exist, but the notables are CoolIT, Apaltek, Dynatron, and a few smaller ones. In this disassembly, we also learned that it's relatively easy to replace the NZXT logo sticker in the Kraken X63 liquid cooler (also applies to the X73 and X53), but also that the other core internals are about the same.
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  • @GamersNexus
    @GamersNexus  4 роки тому +34

    Watch the review here: ua-cam.com/video/DDYr5DG6lAk/v-deo.html

    • @bepbep7418
      @bepbep7418 4 роки тому +3

      Camera Guy while trying to film the cold plate inside must've been like STOP F**KING MOVING IT!!!!! 😆

    • @kwindzy
      @kwindzy 4 роки тому

      Those squarish bumps on the new gasket may be there to make the gasket more sturdy and prevent its bulging away from the fins.

    • @ph7neutral
      @ph7neutral 4 роки тому

      i hope you will do the same with new Arctic liquid coolers!!

    • @anasevi9456
      @anasevi9456 4 роки тому

      Hiya GN, just wanted to give another warning about teflon AIO's from past experience. Teflon cracking has another big issue, if you crack it it goes straight to gunking up the microfins and thus bricking the AIO. Imagine what happened with Enermax, but white gunk rather than pond scum. It takes surprising little bend in the lines for it to start flaking off over time.

    • @KarsonNow
      @KarsonNow 4 роки тому

      How about to test other brands... Just for diversity.
      Arctic Cooling Liquid Freezer II is since few months on the market.
      No advertising contract or WHAT is here the problem?

  • @Pravinoz
    @Pravinoz 4 роки тому +325

    Steve: "I would need a microscope to check"
    Cameraman: *Zooms in to attempt to count*

    • @blze0018
      @blze0018 4 роки тому +27

      An attempt was made

    • @Zarcondeegrissom
      @Zarcondeegrissom 4 роки тому +8

      @@blze0018 Andrew tried, some times a slight optical zoom works, like when we had seen the pads and traces on the Ryzen interposer for the second chiplet. Lots of respect to the GN crew for trying to show us stuff that no one else will or that Asetek will let them.

    • @liberatorkramit
      @liberatorkramit 4 роки тому +2

      lol. I read your comment before I saw it, I expected him to just get close to try and compensate. I did not expect the full send into madness that I got.

    • @ouzaitheronin
      @ouzaitheronin 2 роки тому

      @@liberatorkramit I’m just starting the video and checking the comments first lol 😂

  • @FrankLeeMadeere
    @FrankLeeMadeere 4 роки тому +355

    I still can't believe Asetek was allowed to patent the idea of a pump in the block. That's like patenting the idea of having the engine in the front of the car!

    • @ThisIsAGoodUserNameToo
      @ThisIsAGoodUserNameToo 4 роки тому +36

      You mean this one? patents.google.com/patent/US20160368359A1/en

    • @arachnophillic9709
      @arachnophillic9709 4 роки тому +2

      @@ThisIsAGoodUserNameToo please tell me that isnt what i think it is

    • @FrankLeeMadeere
      @FrankLeeMadeere 4 роки тому +70

      @@ThisIsAGoodUserNameToo HA! Nice find..... Fortunately if you scroll down you'll see it was rejected.... As the Asetek one should have been!

    • @BenjaminSodos
      @BenjaminSodos 4 роки тому +8

      I never understood, why inline wasn't always just proffered, like sure its a little less pretty but by putting it inline you could sell different pressure pumps, different noise levels, and do quick disconnects builtin so you could even extend pipe length for larger cases.

    • @granolatimes7185
      @granolatimes7185 4 роки тому +4

      @@BenjaminSodos perhaps theres a benefit to having the pump directly on the block. It may allow greater constant pressure at the cold plate, with a lower load on the pump which would increase overall efficiency, noise levels etc.

  • @ywsx6489
    @ywsx6489 4 роки тому +177

    If my room is -40 degrees Celsius, I would just use the stock cooler.

    • @GeneralPose
      @GeneralPose 4 роки тому +13

      And your display among other components would freeze and most likely get bricked aswell.

    • @AdamLeuer
      @AdamLeuer 4 роки тому +45

      If your room were -40 degrees you wouldn't need to specify Celsius :p

    • @wale9d
      @wale9d 4 роки тому +4

      You would struggle to live like normal humans let alone caring about a pc.

    • @granolatimes7185
      @granolatimes7185 4 роки тому +9

      Just start playing star citizen, that should raise the ambient temperature a good 20 degrees celcius.

    • @MrMaltelein
      @MrMaltelein 4 роки тому +21

      @@AdamLeuer You shouldnt need to specify Celcius cause Fahrenheit is a unit for imbeciles.

  • @AaronAverett
    @AaronAverett 4 роки тому +65

    That waffle pattern in the gasket looks like it's meant for locating the gasket in the plastic housing. I'd speculate that this is meant to help improve the speed of assembly.

    • @mrdr9534
      @mrdr9534 4 роки тому +1

      Good thinking, as I was thinking along the same lines ;) as well as possibly making the gasket more "rigid" and thus ((very slightly)) more efficient when "redirecting" the fluid.
      Brgds.

    • @alexskywalker888
      @alexskywalker888 4 роки тому +1

      And for added noise dampening as it anchors the plate and housing to the gasket more so than the gen 6 does.

    • @tacticalcenter8658
      @tacticalcenter8658 4 роки тому +7

      I would assume it keeps the rubber gasket in place when water moves below it. Without it the water could push it up. I'm assuming this.

    • @AaronAverett
      @AaronAverett 4 роки тому +5

      @@tacticalcenter8658 Also a possibility. You can see in the earlier designs where the reinforcing ribs in the plastic housing press it into the cold plate, but maybe it wasn't rigid enough before to prevent some leakage around the fins?

    • @tacticalcenter8658
      @tacticalcenter8658 4 роки тому

      @@AaronAverett that would be my assumption.

  • @startedtech
    @startedtech 4 роки тому +56

    Really interested in how the microfins are manufactured. I can't think of any way to make fins that small.

    • @Qyngali
      @Qyngali 4 роки тому +7

      I think they show it in one of the previous factory tours, they basically shave sheets of copper IIRC.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  4 роки тому +71

      Skiving! We show it in a "how liquid coolers are made" video - ua-cam.com/video/y16azp7Wh14/v-deo.html

    • @startedtech
      @startedtech 4 роки тому +8

      @@GamersNexus thanks! Guess I missed that video when it was uploaded.

    • @formdoggie5
      @formdoggie5 4 роки тому +6

      @@startedtech basically, imagine shaving the surface metal into a fin as you would press a wood chisel to shave bark or a cutout where a saw isnt appropriate. Now imagine doing that for a millisecond with a pneumatic chisel on a both industrial yet microscopic scale so you get the fins about .001mm in width and the same distance apart from each other.
      Its basically just giving a really quick tap instead of creating a long shaving in this analogy.

    • @rcrotorfreak
      @rcrotorfreak 3 роки тому

      How do they make transister in cpu smaller then that? I think it's easier making microfins then millions of transister of cpu.

  • @jonathanellis6097
    @jonathanellis6097 4 роки тому +59

    So if my Modmat cost more than the table its on, should I put my table on top of the Modmat to protect it!? Instructions unclear.

  • @I_NeedCoffee
    @I_NeedCoffee 4 роки тому +33

    Although I would never take it apart to try and mod it, it's cool to see the inner workings of these things.

  • @markorakijas1110
    @markorakijas1110 4 роки тому +7

    I'm new on this channel... I just want to say thank you... I am tired of those youtubers that don't know shit about anything, they just say:"Buy it, buy it"... And that's how i got screwed so many times... This channel is honest and i admire that... Keep on the good work, we are here!

  • @0101_root
    @0101_root 4 роки тому +181

    Wonder what Tom's Hardware think about this product, brb gotta go find their review. Don't want any trolls or liars telling me lies.

    • @brazilpaes
      @brazilpaes 4 роки тому +4

      The earth ins't flat dude!

    • @ZahirUddin89
      @ZahirUddin89 4 роки тому +60

      Just buy it

    • @OlettaLiano
      @OlettaLiano 4 роки тому +38

      Apparently Tom's Hardware wasn't happy with the Verge being the only tabloid tech site. BREAKING: Bigfoot likes his MSI X570 Pro Carbon motherboard, says the VMR's never gets hot.

    • @th3realmuri399
      @th3realmuri399 4 роки тому +13

      I have installed my Kraken Z73 two days ago, it is replacing my beQuite Dark Rock Pro 4.
      It has to cool a Ryzen 3800X in the H710i. I am testing since I got it. My conclusion is, that it has the same cooling performance as my aircooler.
      The thing is, CAM is absolut bullshit, the display freezes every second start up.
      You can not setup any sort of delay into the fan-configuration, so with the Ryzens just boosting up out of nothing, the fans are just crazy and trying to speed up to compensate every temperature spike. Also with CAM running, I am losing 0,8 to 1,6% in Cinebench R20. Aaaaand hitting 55 dB!
      I then tested without CAM, I just lost 2°C T_Die_average after five runs of R20 but only hitting 44dB.
      Also, you can not install it on AM4 with 4 ramsticks with the orientation shown on NZXTs page, but turning it 90° clockwise, you have to bend the micro-usb cable.
      BUT, when you are turning the pump into orientation of the tubes to 0° and 270°, there is no way to correct the display orientation, because you can only retate it from 90° to 180° tube orientation.
      btw, the pump is noisy, I am reading reviews, where they say they cannot hear the pump! - Lie or deaf!
      Thank god I got the Z73 for free, but paying 280 $/€, wow.
      It looks perfect, the look is astonishing, the preset designs are nice also.

    • @chillabaua
      @chillabaua 4 роки тому +3

      @@th3realmuri399 Are you telling me this thing costs 280$?? Thats almost a EKWB custom loop..

  • @Murph9000
    @Murph9000 4 роки тому +7

    Propylene glycol is also mildly antibacterial and antifungal. It should help inhibit growth of stuff, although I don't know for sure if just PG would be sufficient for that purpose.

    • @teddygoboom1
      @teddygoboom1 4 роки тому

      Chuck some ethylene glycol in there and I doubt anything will want to grow

    • @SuviTuuliAllan
      @SuviTuuliAllan 4 роки тому

      Polyethylene glycol is a lifesaver.

    • @coopergates9680
      @coopergates9680 4 роки тому

      @@teddygoboom1 Diethylene glycol dinitrate. That's more oily, though, and would be soluble in ethanol or isopropanol but not much in water

  • @Spartan536
    @Spartan536 4 роки тому +2

    Looks like a nice pseudo-side upgrade, it kept all of the good changes from Gen 6 and then made some nice additional assembly/disassembly changes which I can assume is for warranty repair. I do wonder if the tubing is the same and I highly suspect it is from Gen 6 - Gen 7.
    As for the smaller fin stack, they may have made it smaller but more focused to force the coolant through there at a higher flow rate to help with heat exchange while reducing manufacturing cost, but that's just my 2 cents.

  • @iamdarkyoshi
    @iamdarkyoshi 4 роки тому +21

    I've got one of those "pump in the radiator" NZXT coolers that has stopped working. Want to do a teardown? It seems to make noise but doesn't actually seem to move fluid

    • @TheSLSAMG
      @TheSLSAMG 4 роки тому +5

      I wonder if failure rates for those are higher than Asetek based coolers. That could spell some issues for the NZXT H1 considering its' included AIO uses the in-radiator pump design.

    • @coolinbeatsaber
      @coolinbeatsaber 4 роки тому +1

      I don't know if the NZXT M22 is what you mean, but they actually already have a tear-down of that cooler. Hope this helps! ua-cam.com/video/aTXYKaf949Y/v-deo.html

    • @m8x425
      @m8x425 4 роки тому

      File an RMA with NZXT. I heard NZXT is pretty good about honoring their warranty.

  • @baddog9188
    @baddog9188 4 роки тому +13

    I would love to see a video where you test a variety of AIO liquid coolers, with the focus being the fans, and how much of an improvement there is going from the stock fans to Noctua fans, with your usual 40 dB noise limit. You could also add some ridiculously expensive Corsair RGB fans for the lolz, to prove the point how insanely expensive fans aren't always that good, and you pay a massive premium for the aesthetics. Or heck maybe the Corsair RGB fans are within striking distance of the Noctua fans, and I'm 100% wrong.
    Love your content, thanks!

    • @suadmemo2412
      @suadmemo2412 4 роки тому +2

      If you have the money buy Noctua fans, they will change your life. You are welcome.

    • @baddog9188
      @baddog9188 4 роки тому +2

      Suad Memo yep already done! Problem is, people don’t believe how much of a difference good fans make.
      I wish they would sell AIO coolers without fans so we could buy our own.

  • @KyleP133
    @KyleP133 2 роки тому +1

    "If you saw the review I did before this, then you know more than I do right now", that's such a mind fuck of a statement for a second.

  • @tworiverspete
    @tworiverspete 4 роки тому +1

    Impeller pumps are refereed to as "suction and discharge". That looks like the mini version of the 250gpm trash pumps we use in mining. I am guessing to be efficient they have to slow the flow down at point of contact to optimize thermal transfer but it all comes down to how quickly the radiator sheds the heat before the fluid makes its return loop which is always a problem in smaller units.

  • @granolatimes7185
    @granolatimes7185 4 роки тому +2

    The shocking part to me, is learning how LITTLE coolant is in a 240mm aio. I have a 120mm aio, and I never would have guessed it operates with such a miniscual amount of fluid. Custom loop systems with reservoirs must have an insane amount of increased heat soaking capacity compared to an aio.

    • @YlkevanSpankeren
      @YlkevanSpankeren 4 роки тому

      It will take a while longer to reach the equilibrium, yes.

  • @nemisizz
    @nemisizz 4 роки тому +4

    Im pretty sure the "pattern" on the new design is to hold the gasket down while its under load and pressure, so the flow wont go above the microfins but through them, if that makes any sense...

  • @pperentes
    @pperentes 4 роки тому +5

    A performance and tearddown of the deepcool castle 360ex would be awesome

    • @dtantsikian
      @dtantsikian 4 роки тому

      Panagiotis Perentes I second this!

  • @valdius85
    @valdius85 4 роки тому +1

    It looks like sensible design changes. Good to see a company listening to their engineers ;)

  • @ZepG
    @ZepG 4 роки тому

    My recently retired gaming pc is still running an Asetec 550LC 120mm from 2011 with an overclocked i7 2600k. No leaks or performance problems ever, hopefully my new H115i PRO will last as long.

  • @onceagain77
    @onceagain77 4 роки тому

    I still use my Cooler Master Aquagate that I got around 2008 and it still works. When the pump takes a shit all I have to do is find the matching fish tank pump that's used in the system and replace it. I've been using distilled water in it for years now changing it 2-3 times a year and the fins on the cold plate are clean. Also its modular so I can replace any part on the system.

  • @mrdr9534
    @mrdr9534 4 роки тому

    Thx for another great video.
    As someone who has refilled older models a number of times I really appreciate the move from Philips to Torqx for the coldplate assembly. And I expect that this will make the previously most "tricky" part of the disassembly (removing the "torqued down" "softheaded" coldplate screws) a lot easier.
    Best regards.

  • @wing0zero
    @wing0zero 4 роки тому +7

    3:35 some kind of messed up time loop there.

  • @BR0KK85
    @BR0KK85 4 роки тому +1

    I think those square bumps on the back of the gasket are there to keep the gasket straight and in place.

  • @Excalabur50
    @Excalabur50 4 роки тому +1

    My X62 has been brilliant and nice to see NZXT make some good improvements to their refresh.

    • @immortaljack_
      @immortaljack_ 3 роки тому

      What kind of temps do you get idle and under load to this day. nearly a whole year after?

    • @Excalabur50
      @Excalabur50 3 роки тому

      @@immortaljack_ I had mine for nearly three years and due to two years with 40+ degree days and very hot days over the summers mine ended up with permeation and I had to replace it but in the early days I'd get around the 43C at idle and 67C under load, and I get similar temps with my Coolermaster ML360 that I replaced it with, so they're very good and I have no hesitation of recommending them to anyone.

  • @BobsShadow
    @BobsShadow 4 роки тому

    for liquid flow, a good rule of thumb is the holes near the center of the impeller are inlets, and the holes near the edges of the impeller are outlets.

  • @Lonesurvivor_40
    @Lonesurvivor_40 4 роки тому

    I always enjoy your very in depth videos Steve. Your reviews and tear downs are exactly what i followed to build my machine and i couldn't be happier! You have a subscriber for life my guy!

  • @gearcheck101
    @gearcheck101 4 роки тому

    I used stainless steel braided fully convoluted PTFE lined fuel lines on my race car, and the manufacturer I picked showed their hose basically tied into a knot with out collapsing or cracking, so I think perhaps something similar is possible for coolers, but I'd imagine cost is significant. Since, ~2.5 meters of it and fittings was more than this cooler costs.

  • @josephweeks3063
    @josephweeks3063 4 роки тому +4

    The notification on my phome said significantly improved ass. Brilliant.

  • @mikael2670
    @mikael2670 4 роки тому

    The plate gaskets form is likely to even out pump pressure differentials to even out flow rates (and that brings loads of benefits like more even load on pump motor and less sound)

  • @bengrogan9710
    @bengrogan9710 4 роки тому

    I would assume the additional rubber is to make the gasket seal better to the vanes of the fin array - They mean the gasket has contact all over the housing where as before they could flex the rubber in the unsupported areas - once there is a gap of any thickness then flow in the vanes would drop

  • @TheQuikMix
    @TheQuikMix 4 роки тому

    0:59 I'm not even upset at that epic cosby sweater

  • @_mytube_
    @_mytube_ 3 роки тому

    The corrugated tubing is what causes the air bubbles that people complain about, and that makes sense.

  • @JD-xs7os
    @JD-xs7os 3 роки тому +1

    Hi! Can you please tell me which hose on the pump is the intake? I can't find that info anywhere and you're the only channel I know of that took the kraken apart

  • @572089
    @572089 4 роки тому +3

    hey Steve, can you get the pin layout on that internal header connection between the green and white PCBs? if it's what i think it is, being a combination of sensors and pump PWM, it should be possible to control the pump from your mobo without CAM if you get in there. might make for some awesome hybrid mod projects.

  • @user-kk4bq7mb8u
    @user-kk4bq7mb8u 4 роки тому +13

    PSA: there's actually an issue with this AIO. You can't control the fan speeds based on liquid temps. Apparently the fans now plug straight into the motherboard and controlling them through CAM (based on liquid temps) requires the NZXT Hub. Otherwise your fans will ramp up and down based on your immediate CPU temps, and not the heat level of the coolant.

    • @Erevos85
      @Erevos85 4 роки тому +1

      I don't find an issue with that. Controlling RPMs based on CPU temps is the correct way to go.

    • @user-kk4bq7mb8u
      @user-kk4bq7mb8u 4 роки тому +15

      @@Erevos85 it is the incorrect way for liquid cooling. Having your fans constantly ramp up and down completely negates most of the reasons to liquid cool. You remove the advantage of the water absorbing heat. It's bad and it should be noted for those that do not know.

    • @th3realmuri399
      @th3realmuri399 4 роки тому

      @@user-kk4bq7mb8u But I can set Liquid Temp to be the fan-controlling temperature.

    • @user-kk4bq7mb8u
      @user-kk4bq7mb8u 4 роки тому +2

      @@th3realmuri399 via the motherboard? No you can't. The motherboard doesn't have access to the liquid temp.

    • @th3realmuri399
      @th3realmuri399 4 роки тому

      @@user-kk4bq7mb8u Not via motherboard but in CAM. It works pretty good.

  • @aaaarrrg3773
    @aaaarrrg3773 4 роки тому

    My guess is the pump cover pattern breaks up vortices that cause cavitation. That should make the impeller more quiet and efficient.

  • @Th3StrangeQuark
    @Th3StrangeQuark 4 роки тому +3

    Does anyone know how easy it would be to extend this setup? I love the X62 CPU block design, but considering water-cooling my 1080 as well. Could I just use the X62 and add a reservoir and extra pipes?

  • @xaytana
    @xaytana 4 роки тому

    It's hard to tell from the shots and not having one in-hand, but I believe the 'bumps' on the gasket match the molding on the plastic piece it sits under. If you look at the shot of the gen 6 and gen 7 gaskets side by side, you'll see that the gen 6 has lines in the same pattern from it's mold, though these lines are caused by wet/dry sections rather than the gasket being molded to match the plastic.
    My best guess would be isolating the water in a different way compared to gen 6. This comes from, again the side by side shot of the two gens, the old gen had an entire channel for the dual-hole in/outlet, where the new gen does not but is instead flush with the lower portion of the gasket and has a small lip around it's perimeter to, probably, act as an o-ring with it's mating section of plastic. Other than that, the 'bumps' would locate the piece within the plastic piece, and there may even be enough friction for the two to stay as a sub-assembly while the assembly is being assembled, potentially making the production process simpler, as the piece only plugs in one way; this would also be why the pump portion is rotated by 45 degrees, as between the inlet, outlet, grid, and the cutout for the plate that is now in the sub-assembly for the pump (see gen 6 having a ridge for that portion where gen 7 does not), this ensures that the gasket only goes in one way, whereas gen 6 could have easily been put in incorrectly due to the 'key' of the mold being small ridges at most. It could also have tertiary effects of vibration and noise isolation, but I'm skeptical of that, as isolation typically isn't one solid piece on top of another solid piece, typically vibration isolation is decoupled pieces, and this design with the plastic-rubber keying only adds to the coupling of the materials, and this wouldn't do much for noise isolation, as you would want foam for the noise range you're trying to isolate, not a mass-loaded solution

  • @jwiz1911
    @jwiz1911 2 роки тому +2

    Enjoyed the review and the teardown...very happy with my X62 after two years. Any thoughts on the fans they use? Is there performance to be gained with different fans?

  • @nathangabrielriegler5553
    @nathangabrielriegler5553 4 роки тому

    Wow really loved the disassembly video! really cool to vicariously experience the hands on understanding and tear down!

  • @the360gaming5
    @the360gaming5 4 роки тому +2

    Amazing video

  • @jonathanellis6097
    @jonathanellis6097 4 роки тому +3

    My god there are so many cables coming off the the water block!

  • @NightWolfx03
    @NightWolfx03 4 роки тому

    I have a PC in storage that's nothing special, but the coolant hasn't been taken out for 8+ years, I should see if it did anything weird. I put the machine away when the pump started squealing.

  • @theq4602
    @theq4602 4 роки тому

    I hope Asateck makes thier pumps with intakes for both sides of the centrulifugal impeller soon. It would allow for a reduction in motor speed and reduce sound while increasing pump bearing life.

  • @bigsportsman
    @bigsportsman 4 роки тому +2

    Steve have you had a chance to watch the hardware unboxed video concerning the MSI X570 motherboards VRM temps? Do you have any testing on those? I am very interested because my MSI X570 board had issues with my R9 3900. Did I do something wrong? (I eventually returned it for an ASUS X570)

  • @jaras9404
    @jaras9404 4 роки тому +1

    Will you test ek-aio before it comes to market or is it impossible. (by that I mean that you won't get testing sample before launch). I'm asking cause when I asked EK they answered that EK-aioo does not use asetek pump.

    • @ValkyrieStarTV
      @ValkyrieStarTV 4 роки тому

      EK "AIO" is just a custom loop pre-built and packed up. The pump is not in the block. It's seperate.

  • @neoqueto
    @neoqueto 4 роки тому

    The bumpy pattern on the gasket, seeing that it matches the bottom of the impeller cover piece, is probably there to reduce rattle noise

  • @Maikurosofuto
    @Maikurosofuto Рік тому

    Asetek 8th Gen Pump just dropped recently, any plans in reviewing it any time soon?

  • @JustinAlexanderBell
    @JustinAlexanderBell 4 роки тому +1

    Any chance for a teardown of the EVGA 360 CLC?

  • @e2mustang
    @e2mustang 4 роки тому

    watching the video at half speed, it cracks me up

  • @Mr_Meowingtons
    @Mr_Meowingtons Рік тому

    watching this in 2023 still running the Corsair Hydro Series H115i first gen.
    What stinks is they do 0 Lapping of the cold plate you can see the turning from the CNC @9:12 that center point you see from the light is a high spot

  • @WildkatPhoto
    @WildkatPhoto 4 роки тому +3

    Cant believe you passed on the new impeller "is supposed to have better impelling"

  • @RicardoSantos-yn4wy
    @RicardoSantos-yn4wy 4 роки тому +2

    Hey Steve, make a review abou the arctic liquid freezer ii 280!!

  • @RentableSocks
    @RentableSocks 4 роки тому

    I think with the new gasket features you're overlooking rigidity and gasket>cold plate mounting pressure stability

  • @huri9946
    @huri9946 4 роки тому +1

    I love everyone at GN

    • @teddygoboom1
      @teddygoboom1 4 роки тому +1

      Same, Steve, Patrick, Patrick, Patrick and Patrick are the best

  • @Pixelwave90
    @Pixelwave90 3 роки тому +1

    Is it possible to get the pump propeller from NZXT out and fit the inlet/outlet to corsair water cooling? I wanna use the NZXT display so badly, because I've got new pc build and it would looks much much better.

  • @teddygoboom1
    @teddygoboom1 4 роки тому

    Hey steve, you should get a cheap refractometer to determine the freezing point of the liquid in each cooler. They're only $20 and super easy to use, and designed for glycols

    • @teddygoboom1
      @teddygoboom1 4 роки тому

      Also impressed you know about pozidriv, guess making that toolkit came with some new knowledge too

  • @infinitelyexplosive4131
    @infinitelyexplosive4131 4 роки тому

    It looks like the blocks on the gasket fit into the plastic grid in the housing, either making assembly easier or creating more even pressure?

  • @weltenkrank7807
    @weltenkrank7807 4 роки тому

    Looks to me that the older impeller has deeper profiles than the new one. I could imagine with the change come some more positive flow effects into play.

  • @UNKA757
    @UNKA757 4 роки тому

    the pump cold plates cover, seems like it was designed to keep it in place with the all the grids.

  • @sebastianmuller1210
    @sebastianmuller1210 4 роки тому

    The rubber bumps have to be primarily to stabilise the space above the micro flow channels, and prevent bending of the rubber gasket. They ensure that the water, which enters in the middle, must flow through and not above the micro channels. The flow is from the middle out to the sides, and from one end to the other for in and out. Thats good. So cooling should be better with that design. If the rubber gasket is flexible, the water could just flow above the micro fins. Absorbing some vibration is only an nice secondary feature.
    The very small distance between the fins seams very flow restrictive, so a lot of pressure is necessary to push the water through. I personally would prefer a design with only every second fin, so the flow would improve and the resistance decrease dramatically. Yes then its not that much contactsurface, but i guess that would not be that important, due to supperb heat flow in copper and water and due to the increased waterflowrate. Heatflow is very dependent on temperature gradient, and that would be steeper with stronger waterflow.
    When they double the fin distance they could make every fin double in hight, that should be much better for waterflow. With then the same surface it should be better in cooling performance. (provided the radiator is not that flow restrictive, and can operate on low pressure and high flow) If you have contact to their engineers, ask them if they can show you the heat copper/water-transmission simulations. That would be another interesting "factory tour". If they claim the simulations are propriatary, tell them, that their outcome is allready in the video visible for everyone. Another improvement: I would not bend the fins upright, only to something like 30° instead of 90°, that would reduce production time massively (in one of your vids it was a second movement of the machine (one to push in, second to pull the fins upright, third to push out and restart)), and not matter or even improve performace. If the water is coming in from one side and still in the middle, the fins could catch it and force it downwards into the channel. It would be more with the flow, instead of bending the flow 90° from the top providing channel into the fin channels.
    So only every second fin is a 50% cost improvement, and the 30° bend instead of 90° should bring another 30% for tooling cost by simultaniously improving cooling performance. That could bring watercooling aio's in reach for a much broader customer base.

  • @DaveAtUofL
    @DaveAtUofL 4 роки тому +1

    Steve, any interest in installing the coldplate from the old one on the new one to see if we get any DeltaT variance outside of error if it will fit?

  • @Willhemmens
    @Willhemmens 4 роки тому

    My guess is the bumps on the gasket are just space fillers, less coolant means less to expand and cause issues.

  • @hannesboesch
    @hannesboesch 4 роки тому

    I wonder if you could solder a regular PWM fan cable to the green PCB as it has GND,12v,RPM and PWM solder pads and ditch the NZXT crap mounted on top of it?!
    Also maybe one can desolder the thermalprobe, add a cable and connect it to a motherboard header

  • @NedeljskiH
    @NedeljskiH Рік тому

    Very informative video thank you so much. Is there a possibilty that liquid will evaporate in years and I will need to change it? How do I change it and where can I buy liquid? I have NZXT Kraken X63 Liquid Cooler.

  • @cedricwang7524
    @cedricwang7524 4 роки тому +2

    I'm waiting for your NZXT H1 review!

  • @LunchBXcrue
    @LunchBXcrue 4 роки тому

    You guys should get a setup like Louis Rossman has so you can put it under a camera and zoom in really close for when you do tear downs on stuff like this or cards. It would be cool to see the micro fins up close.

  • @dastarddizaster
    @dastarddizaster 3 роки тому

    Nice work Steve and GN, I really like the OLED screen.
    With that said, how serviceable are the barbs fittings and can they be swapped allowing config changes?

  • @garyt6931
    @garyt6931 4 роки тому +7

    Me jus chillin here waiting for h1 review

  • @Qyngali
    @Qyngali 4 роки тому +1

    Good vid, I am wondering though, are the motor sealed in so you can't get to it? Might be a good question to ask Asetek if the motor changed from gen5/6 to 7.

    • @blahorgaslisk7763
      @blahorgaslisk7763 4 роки тому +2

      The motor in these is an interesting design. Part of it is submerged in the cooling liquid and part is sealed off. The impeller is actually part of the motor and the metallic ring on the bottom is the permanent magnet. The winding is in the hub sealed off with the plastic. So you are already seeing most of the motor and what may have changed. This kind of pump is extremely robust as there is no rotating shaft that has to be sealed. The only seals needed are the one for the top cover and the inlet and outlet. It's also not going to burn out if the impeller were to jam for any reason. There still is a shaft and what appears to be ceramic bearings which should last for a very long time. Even if I'm wrong and they are delrin, teflon or something else they should still have a very long life expectancy.
      What can easily be seen are the impeller and the shaft and bearings. AFAICR the windings weren't shown and may very well be potted so they aren't easy to get at, but it's not likely they has been changed in any major way. The drive circuitry might be hidden away with the windings or integrated on the pump and LED controller. If it's the later it might be possible to see if any major changes has been made, but I doubt there's anything revolutionary going on there. If anything has been changed it's most likely in the materials and design of the pump chamber, impeller and the shaft and bearings.

  • @plestes
    @plestes 6 місяців тому

    So the kraken can be refilled like this an also. Do they make replacement gaskets.

  • @jpthsd
    @jpthsd 3 роки тому

    I remember you once said Steve,,,most of these AIO are Asetek pump,,,they are almost the same in performance if the same size otherwise differences are bundles, cosmetic designs :)
    I am moving away from Asetek to CoolIT and other such Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 :)
    240 works but still not cool pretty good ,,,280mm Arctic must be very good then!

  • @dinosoarskill17
    @dinosoarskill17 4 роки тому

    The best cooler I have used so far in my opinions are the Cool IT brands

  • @schmudge
    @schmudge 4 роки тому

    Curious to see all 3 pumps side by side just pumping water over a set time to see which has best efficiency, Wet drag race.

  • @lukehenderson6338
    @lukehenderson6338 2 роки тому

    By eye I can tell the fin density on gen 7 was significantly more dense, I'd say at least 5% more.

  • @guywhoknows
    @guywhoknows 4 роки тому

    That's helpful.
    They look to have changed the swirl . This would reduce noise and they have increased volume of coolant at the plate..
    There a lot different from old skool ones with 12mm of copper...
    Least it's not a diagram pump.lol..
    Seems.like if you pull the three screws you can change the front plate.
    So really aside from the clear fun difference, which would be a little small IMO this seems to the main difference between "brands".
    Oh well it's just down to the name then...

  • @jeffm2787
    @jeffm2787 4 роки тому +1

    Wait what, they went with Torx instead of Pozidrive PZ1 screws? Happy change IMO, although I own the proper screwdrivers for Pozidrive. You stripped the screws previously because you were using Phillips in a Pozidrive screw. Why not just admit it. The square rubber blocks appear to just push against the pump housing and provide distributed pressure for better sealing. They don't appear to be flow related at all. Steve is no AvE.

    • @vapidwords
      @vapidwords 4 роки тому

      the ifixit bits toolkit is pricey but can save you a world of headaches from stripping screws.

    • @jeffm2787
      @jeffm2787 4 роки тому

      @@vapidwords Pretty sure they don't include Pozidrive. Steve says Poizidrive is close enough to Phillips. WOW.

  • @KrMaHo
    @KrMaHo 4 роки тому

    Could the aio manufacturers use varying degree of car cooling fluids?
    Prolypropyline is common in long life car coolant...

  • @Xiorx71
    @Xiorx71 3 роки тому

    How exactly is the liquid distributed throughout the radiator/fan section? I’m curious how it works.

  • @Saintinkz
    @Saintinkz 4 роки тому +1

    the new impeller looks like a mini version for a pool pump

    • @theq4602
      @theq4602 4 роки тому

      It kinda makes sense that its the design they would hit upon seeing how most other centrifugal water pumps are like that.

  • @CaveyMoth
    @CaveyMoth 4 роки тому +2

    7:29 NO, DON'T DRINK IT! -Oh, thank God.

    • @bananya6020
      @bananya6020 4 роки тому +1

      tech jesus gotta get his holy water yknow

    • @CaveyMoth
      @CaveyMoth 4 роки тому

      @@bananya6020 I wanna see him turn it into wine.

  • @BatXDude
    @BatXDude 3 роки тому

    What was the weird pattern thing on the gasket then? Was it for noise?

  • @Ghxzt2161
    @Ghxzt2161 2 роки тому

    This might be a dumb question and I know this video is old but is there a possible way to remove the pump and use it in a water cooling loop?

  • @eplanti
    @eplanti 2 роки тому

    i was wondering why the kraken has such a low fluid temp while the proc is 20' celcius higher

  • @BetterBiomedChannel
    @BetterBiomedChannel 4 роки тому

    Propylene glycol doesn't have much to do with cold usage and freezing but it does deal with dissimilar metals and galvanic corrosion.

  • @maxnichtmoritz
    @maxnichtmoritz 8 місяців тому

    Hey
    Can you tell me, which hose on a z73 is the inlet and which is the outlet?
    Im about to take my z73 apart and use the pump/display together with 2x420 rad and a watercooled 3090ti

  • @Frietpan
    @Frietpan 4 роки тому +1

    did he say lifespan of 5 years? my H110 has been running + - 8 years nearly 24/7.
    *chuckles* am i in danger?
    (what gen pump do they use?)

    • @xithalius
      @xithalius 4 роки тому

      Wow, that's long. 😳

    • @Frietpan
      @Frietpan 4 роки тому

      @@xithalius yeah i really stretch things lol, also had a cooler master m600 silent pro psu for + - 10 years also used non stop. i replaced it cause i was really getting afraid it might blow and take out the new system i build (it works 100% tho and voltages are as shitty as the day it came out the store hehe ), and after my corsair h50 died and got the h110 it was doa so i was not expecting this cooler to run for this long. (it still cools pretty good and the pump doesnt make that anoying rattling sound)
      oh and i might have the most stubborn last samsung spinpoint f1/f3 hard drives running for atleast 10 years. (2 out of 5 tho)

    • @paulanderson929
      @paulanderson929 3 роки тому

      I was thinking about this. I’m about to install x63 in my system and it made me have second thoughts.

  • @MrALenCar321
    @MrALenCar321 4 роки тому

    I am planning to get an air cooler soon. Is there any risk of leakage and will it damage the processor? Should I just stick to a beefy air cooler?

  • @mariomolina4716
    @mariomolina4716 Рік тому

    You could put a Z73 lcd screen on a X53 pump?

  • @ivanv754
    @ivanv754 4 роки тому

    I demand to see your review of the NZXT H1 and the vacuum cleaner.

  • @vollkerball1
    @vollkerball1 4 роки тому

    And here i am seing a tear down of a product i will not buy, but still i have interest on seeing its guts.

  • @rapermenas
    @rapermenas 4 роки тому

    I have an x73 and I suppose the pump is the same as x63? I hate it being controlled by usb. Does anynone know what the asetec pcb pinout (8 pins connector)? Im thinking about the possibility of crafting and programming a custom chip that could control the pump and make it controllable from the motherboard. I can't find any information on what parts can I disassemble without voiding the warranty. As from the video it was quite clear that the top part can be replaced easily without any physical damage.

  • @christopherlenahan3906
    @christopherlenahan3906 2 роки тому

    Old video but the fill port screw being in the last 30seconds was a bit late ;)

  • @AnthondeVries
    @AnthondeVries 4 роки тому

    my bequiet! 360mm clc has a fill port on the pump. not sure if available were you are.

  • @DNAReader
    @DNAReader 4 роки тому

    Isn't the fin density bigger ? I do notice Moiré patterns on it in the video

  • @JhustineProvido
    @JhustineProvido 4 роки тому

    GN in the morning at work. This is new.

  •  4 роки тому +2

    Wow, when I saw the thumbnail I though finally he has done the arctic liquid freezer II. But apparently another asatek iteration is more interesting.

  • @WR3ND
    @WR3ND 3 роки тому

    Can I remove the SATA power wiring and repurpose the pump header for use with a 4-pin PWM motherboard fan header? I do not intend to use the RGB lighting, USB, nor fan connectors other than for the pump itself.