ASOIAF Theories: Why We Can't Trust The Children

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  • Опубліковано 13 кві 2016
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    Just sharing my ideas one my favorite book series, A Song of Ice and Fire by George RR Martin. This video may contain spoilers for those of you who are not up to date with the series.
    I'm just speculating and guessing on some ideas that I have on how future events will transpire in the series. Keep in mind however, I know nothing.
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  • @donwilli
    @donwilli 8 років тому +404

    Maybe this is where the phrase "The north remembers" comes from.

    • @akaraniq
      @akaraniq 8 років тому +9

      Nice.

    • @QuinnsIdeas
      @QuinnsIdeas  8 років тому +18

      +Don Willi haha thats an awesome idea

    • @Setsunako6587
      @Setsunako6587 8 років тому +27

      WOW, that would totally fit with the colonial allegory here: first they take your land, then they take your slang...

    • @stephenlyon1358
      @stephenlyon1358 8 років тому +7

      The north remembers lord davos, the north remembers and the mummers farce is at an end

    • @XXXdalt64XXX
      @XXXdalt64XXX 8 років тому +3

      I thought the saying came to existence after Ned Starks death

  • @stephenlyon1358
    @stephenlyon1358 8 років тому +175

    White walkers are just 2 midget children in a walker costume #openyoureyes

  • @liyahStarlight1122
    @liyahStarlight1122 8 років тому +28

    Didn't Cersei tell you? Power is power.

  • @ramonalejandrosuare
    @ramonalejandrosuare 8 років тому +40

    Rereading Chapter 34 in a ADWD I am struck by this passage where Bran is thinking to himself about how sad the story of Children of the Forest's extinction is.
    "She seemed sad when she said it, and that made Bran sad as well. *It was only later that he thought, Men would not be sad. Men would be wroth. Men would hate and swear a bloody vengeance. The singers sing sad songs, where men would fight and kill.*"
    I don't think there's a passage in the entire series which lends more credence to what you're arguing here than this one.

  • @bocckoka
    @bocckoka 8 років тому +151

    if you defend your culture or property, you are not the aggressor.

    • @schmalzilla1985
      @schmalzilla1985 5 років тому +30

      Depends on perspective, after all the villain is just the hero for the other side.

    • @made-line7627
      @made-line7627 4 роки тому +9

      It's self defense.

    • @raynmanshorts9275
      @raynmanshorts9275 4 роки тому +22

      Eh... if the other side didn't know what they were doing, then it's reasonable to say that the rush to violence makes the aggressor.

    • @markharrison6498
      @markharrison6498 Рік тому

      Hate to be that guy but plenty of the nazis thought they were defending their culture against the Jews

    • @bocckoka
      @bocckoka Рік тому

      @@markharrison6498 please be more explicit when making a point.

  • @Anglomachian
    @Anglomachian 8 років тому +32

    The Children inadvertently brought about their own destruction. In their desperation to defeat mankind, they created the Walkers as a means to defeat them. But the Walkers are a Doomsday Machine. Mutually assured destruction.

  • @Eddn102
    @Eddn102 8 років тому +50

    "The men of the north chopped down the Veirwood trees"
    Go on...
    "The children appear to be the aggressors in this case"
    What?

    • @reyniknamyrion3557
      @reyniknamyrion3557 5 років тому +17

      They didn't know the weirwoods were important. Perhaps it would be more correct if he said "The men of the North chopped down the weirwood trees along with the other trees, probably for firewood."

    • @gcs7817
      @gcs7817 5 років тому +15

      He means to say physical aggressors with violence.
      The FM probably thought the Weirwood trees were scary and they knew they held significance to someone or something because trees like that don’t occur naturally
      Humans have a tendency til destroy that which scares us and that which we do not understand

  • @RobLucci3
    @RobLucci3 8 років тому +45

    I feel like this theory isn't true. Let me explain why. The children didn't attack first. It was their first contact with humans, they didn't know what was attacking their sacred grounds and habitats nor did they speak their language. You need only look at the human first contacts to see they in most cases result in bloodshed. It seems they took to the deep forests because that was their natural habitat. And I think you are looking far too much into the "wisest thing". Its a legend, and some people are indeed more wise than others (this is especially true when legends are concerned). I think the First Men adopted the Old Gods because they saw direct evidence of the magic stemming from them. Like shattering of the Arm of Dorne and creation of the Neck's swamps. They were granted powers by the Children (possibly via the Pact or after the others invaded). All this contributed to worship.

    • @QuinnsIdeas
      @QuinnsIdeas  8 років тому +7

      +RobLucci either could be true. Imo it's just how you look at it

    • @TinyTalesBookClub
      @TinyTalesBookClub 8 років тому +12

      +RobLucci yeah, this felt kind of like, we didn't wipe out the natives, they attacked us first, we were just peacefully invading and desecrating their lands:P

    • @gcs7817
      @gcs7817 5 років тому +4

      It is said that the Crannogmen might have bred with the COF such that they were given greensight.
      This doesn’t explain how the current Bran is such a powerful greenseer

    • @jonathonmatzke8463
      @jonathonmatzke8463 5 років тому +2

      Yes, I also think that when it says the "wisest of both races prevailed" it means that the wisest people on both sides convinced their sides to negotiate instead of continuing the war.

  • @williamjameslehy1341
    @williamjameslehy1341 8 років тому +9

    When you're invaded and your lands are settled without your permission, that IS the first act of aggression.

  • @blinkblink2446
    @blinkblink2446 8 років тому +20

    Using ice wall to stop the Others is like using fire to stop the dragons. In both cases, they will be strengthened instead. You are absolutely right, something is very wrong...

    • @lillypharaoh5945
      @lillypharaoh5945 Рік тому +4

      Fire can kill dragons (balerion has burned dragons before) the doom of valyria which is basically a volcanic eruption was strong enough to kill dragons

  • @kefkapalazzo1
    @kefkapalazzo1 8 років тому +10

    I love theory videos. I try not to take much stock in the theories but you guys definitely lay out a lot of lore

  • @peterhanes7333
    @peterhanes7333 8 років тому +19

    Also, if the Children were killed by the Andals, why aren't they in the North? Remember, no Andals made it North. You can bet the Northern Kings would have loved to have the Children backing them. I think the Children were driven out by both the Andals and the First Men working together. (This is somewhat hinted at in "The World of Ice and Fire".

  • @nebnebnosam
    @nebnebnosam 8 років тому +3

    the production on this video was awesome. I liked how you slowed down, and really highlighted you main points.

  • @jakecruz9828
    @jakecruz9828 8 років тому +14

    Of all the flashbacks i would like to see. It would be the age of hero's. I hope we get something of it this season or even better in the next book.

  • @theM4R4T
    @theM4R4T 8 років тому +10

    That's why I love aSoIaF, the backstory about the first men, thr children and the others is so mysterious and creepy. So will the story end with all of the Weirwood trees being burned and chopped?

    • @cancoonjoe8094
      @cancoonjoe8094 8 років тому +1

      or will it all be reclaimed by the Children as promised by the Others?

    • @theM4R4T
      @theM4R4T 8 років тому

      TotalWarTutorials maybe, but I think I wouldn't like that ending. I think it would be cool, because there's even a House that has a burning Tree as sigil.

    • @cancoonjoe8094
      @cancoonjoe8094 8 років тому

      +Marat grrm said it will be a bitter sweet victory, but for who?

    • @TheMurphsa1
      @TheMurphsa1 8 років тому

      think movie... Avatar...

  • @dorsal-qb5fr
    @dorsal-qb5fr 8 років тому +53

    Great job on this video. The narration was appropriately creepy!

    • @germanvisitor2
      @germanvisitor2 8 років тому

      +dorsal 2008
      Like a Lovecraft audiobook.

    • @germanvisitor2
      @germanvisitor2 8 років тому

      +dorsal 2008
      Like a Lovecraft audiobook.

  • @linwoodavenue4300
    @linwoodavenue4300 8 років тому +10

    You raised some good points. Particularly, what reason do the Children have to help mankind? But then my next question is who/what is Blood Raven working for?

  • @janniegurl05
    @janniegurl05 8 років тому +18

    The children of the forest were victims of mankind. They weren't the aggressors, they were defending their land, which they had great respect for. If they are the aggressors in the book i'm okay with this. Well maybe not. But i at least inderstand their pov. Nice work btw.

  • @300dionysius
    @300dionysius 8 років тому

    Excellent video! I love your Socratic approach to figuring out this story!

  • @moralhazard8652
    @moralhazard8652 8 років тому +4

    Haven´t watched all of your videos, but I have a (book only) theory about the weirwood trees. Remember that the wights could not enter the weirwood cave of bloodraven or cross the wall (which has some old gods/children of the forest magic in it) and remember, that every firstmen castle used to have a wearwood tree inside its walls. What if these trees were just another line of defense for the castles against enemies like the others?

  • @ionlymadethistoleavecoment1723
    @ionlymadethistoleavecoment1723 8 років тому +50

    "Nearly eradicated... But NOT eradicated"
    A more impactful way to say this would be "nearly eradicated... NEARLY"

    • @loooongneck
      @loooongneck 5 років тому +2

      Don't see how that's any better, they're both redundancies lol

    • @user-wl8mf3dq6f
      @user-wl8mf3dq6f 5 років тому

      Ionlymadethistoleavecoments how is that better? It means the same shit!

  • @EvieDragonborn
    @EvieDragonborn 8 років тому

    great video's and work. I like your calm voice, the music you choose for background and the pictures you're choosing are wonderful. :)

  • @grainnemckeown1681
    @grainnemckeown1681 8 років тому +39

    The split into others and the children is actually supported by the irish mythology thing. I've been looking more into the connection since your last video and there is an idea that the sídhe split into two races.The place where the ones which represent the dead actually live is literally called the otherworld.
    Agree that the children of the forest are little shits and not the good guys that everyone is maing out.
    But I don't think that the others are neccesarily evil. The others were likely involved in the pact and the building of the wall (we're seriously expected to believe that three races (humans, cotf and giants) who have no connection with ice built a giant wall made of ice to keep magical ice creatures out). The night's watch is roaming further into their territory more frequently. This could be viewed by the others as an act of war as it breaks the pact to keep to their own lands.

    • @99superjesus
      @99superjesus 8 років тому +2

      +Grainne McKeown I heard an interesting theory about this. Perhaps, powerful wargs and greenseers (the children have these powers as well, and humans likely got it from the children) pass into the Weirwood 'hivemind' once they die. Obviously, some of them would not want to stay there and they would want to get out.
      You could warg a human corpse, but the corpse decays. So they developed ice magic to slow or stop the decaying process. Now, we have the Others.

    • @grainnemckeown1681
      @grainnemckeown1681 8 років тому +1

      99superjesus Huh. Seems kinda plausible

    • @purwinrommel5568
      @purwinrommel5568 8 років тому +2

      +99superjesus Kinda plausible... For the TV Show. Remember, GRRM describes them as a "different kind of life," and as "beautiful and other-worldly." Not really rotting corpses if you ask me.

    • @InvaderTak176
      @InvaderTak176 8 років тому +1

      +Grainne McKeown Well the wall has to have help to be built. It is not just ice, it is magic. Meant to specifically keep the white walkers out.

    • @grainnemckeown1681
      @grainnemckeown1681 8 років тому +2

      Steward of Autumn Why would three races who have no power over ice build a wall to protect themselves from a race which has power over ice? The use of magic does not refute my point

  • @julioacceus253
    @julioacceus253 7 років тому +2

    Before season 6, I theorized that tensions were still amongst the pact between the Children and the First Men. A faction of the children defected and created a spell to create or become the first White Walkers and beyond their will set to destroy all man. Sort of how Sauron oppossed Middle Earth's mightiest with his obsession with the One Ring.

  • @bobbybee2975
    @bobbybee2975 8 років тому +25

    I hope you are wrong but fear you may be onto the last big plot twist in this story. My hope is that since the children made the pact with the first men and the Stark's are loyal first men worshipers of the old gods so maybe the children genuinely do want to help at least Bran and the Stark's, hopefully lol.

    • @maggyfrog
      @maggyfrog 8 років тому +2

      +Bobby Lyons
      yea, at the very least they do need a few humans on their side, like bloodraven and bran. what does it mean anyway to be the keeper of memories for centuries if they're not onto something?

    • @bobbybee2975
      @bobbybee2975 8 років тому

      +Maggy Frog Exactly, if there is any helpful knowledge in Westeros (besides maybe Old Town but that is why Sam is heading there) with regards to stopping the WW's the CotF/BR must have it, or they are evil...

    • @maggyfrog
      @maggyfrog 8 років тому +1

      Bobby Lyons
      i don't like that the show explicitly made the ww look like they are definitely the evil guys. they're not ugly at all in the books and the cotf are not explicitly described as the good guys either. and they killed jojen in the show, there's a very sick possibility that in the books the cotf might have done something to him for bran, won't spoil it if you haven't read the books

    • @bobbybee2975
      @bobbybee2975 8 років тому +1

      +Maggy Frog Yeah I totally agree, it would be more interesting to have seen them shown as described in the books. I suspect the WW's from the books posed too many visual issues for them to attempt (camouflaged ice armor for a start) so a rewrite/redesign of the character was easier and cheaper. Just a guess though GRRM was on the series at that point so it may be safe to assume he is/was okay with the change...or not.

    • @Akhibrass
      @Akhibrass 8 років тому

      +Maggy Frog I don't think the appearance of the white walkers necessarily makes them "evil". I do think they explicitly oppose humans and, as the video explains, may have good reasons for that.

  • @Spoonmancometogether
    @Spoonmancometogether 8 років тому +6

    Did the children do 9/11? Were the moon landings faked by Sansa Starks pet gerbil?

    • @QuinnsIdeas
      @QuinnsIdeas  8 років тому +1

      +Billy Bob Thorton's Pet Anchoive all true

    • @Spoonmancometogether
      @Spoonmancometogether 8 років тому +2

      All i want is Daenarys to sit on my face.

    • @XxMobileWizXx
      @XxMobileWizXx 8 років тому +1

      +Billy Bob Thorton's Pet Anchoive Find out on the next exciting episode of DRAGON BALL Z!

  • @anthonyhamel3497
    @anthonyhamel3497 8 років тому +3

    the first men cut down the weirwoods, so they were the aggressors. the children might have attacked first but that doesn't mean they started it.

  • @WHOAiitzTOM
    @WHOAiitzTOM 8 років тому

    Loving the vids mate, keep it up!

  • @belalsweepe1063
    @belalsweepe1063 8 років тому +2

    In a feast for crows they mentioned that the children of the forrest supports the nights watch with obsidian every year. Why would they do that?

  • @lyndsaycrawford
    @lyndsaycrawford 8 років тому +3

    I think the Stark words "winter is coming" are open to many interpretations as well as "the north remembers"

  • @georgesartiano3559
    @georgesartiano3559 8 років тому +4

    Yep you pretty much made the call on this one. Nice work.

  • @bob513993
    @bob513993 8 років тому +13

    Aren't the Children one with the Weirwoods? So, chopping one down would be like killing one of their own. That would make the First Men the unknowing aggressors.

    • @TheMurphsa1
      @TheMurphsa1 8 років тому +1

      agreed

    • @kothar6159
      @kothar6159 8 років тому

      I disagree the weirwoods across westeros are nothing but copies of thr original, like cctv cameras giving a live feed of whats going on, if one gets takeb out, the amount of information is just reduced.

    • @bob513993
      @bob513993 8 років тому +1

      +Kothar So you look at it a bit like a bug's compound eye? Except each individual fragment sees something different? If I understood you correctly, then that's the equivalent of a security guard watching a wall of camera feeds until the perfect cliche cinematic opportunity to cut the feed to one particular camera at a time without that guard noticing.

    • @kothar6159
      @kothar6159 8 років тому +1

      bob513993 Exactly, its the magic equivalent of a virtual simulator, but instead of making a fictional setting, it takes you back into the past in perfect detail, which will see evidence for this season.

    • @bob513993
      @bob513993 8 років тому +1

      +Kothar Well, we know that the destruction of weirwoods in the south is what instigated the Children into attacking. Why would losing a camera provoke equally as aggressive a response as attacking the Children directly presumably would have?

  • @19k92
    @19k92 8 років тому

    i really like the new style of your videos!
    i've been watching a lot of theory videos since i started watching game of thrones around season 2. i found your older videos kind of hard to watch, because it was just you in front of a camera, presenting something you didn't seem to have scripted or structured before.
    not only does the clearness of your theories benefit from the compression of your thoughts, but the videos are also much more interesting to watch due to the images. i somehow really wanted to tell you that. good job!

  • @MarcusLeonard307
    @MarcusLeonard307 8 років тому

    Great job bruh, really entertaining!

  • @mattconnell3970
    @mattconnell3970 8 років тому

    Great video Connor!

  • @Sawrattan
    @Sawrattan 5 років тому +1

    4:40 that pic and your sentence combined gives me the chills

  • @sofaloafable
    @sofaloafable 8 років тому

    Wow! That was deep. You have really opened my eyes.

  • @gheorghevasile1412
    @gheorghevasile1412 8 років тому

    you are brilliant man nice videos!

  • @ronmilavec3469
    @ronmilavec3469 8 років тому

    i never even thought about that! that makes really good seance! i think u are right about all of that and we will see that in the books if they ever come out or in the show. while watching this video i can't stop and think about that one seen in the new trailer with bran and the others!

  • @danielbarron8613
    @danielbarron8613 8 років тому

    Very interesting! Really enjoy your videos keep it up my friend! Salute!!

  • @HarlemSexyBlaqkat
    @HarlemSexyBlaqkat 8 років тому +1

    This sounds like GRRM "Seven times never kill man" Its one of his earlier works !
    New subscriber here!

  • @vlpinfinity9448
    @vlpinfinity9448 3 роки тому +1

    "There as many opinions as there are people because we are all individuals."
    Well said!

  • @drej1015
    @drej1015 8 років тому +1

    dude, after watching 5 minutes of your video of about Jon not being a Targareyen - I thought you were another wanna be game of thrones youtuber, but I gave you a chance anyway and now watch all your got videos and pretty much agree with you on almost everything or at least can see where you're coming from with your ideas......subbed

  • @RiceyReviews
    @RiceyReviews 8 років тому

    Just gunna leave a like before watching the video because I know it's gunna be a good one.

  • @King-CosmoAlpha1
    @King-CosmoAlpha1 2 місяці тому +1

    My theory on the white walkers ( others ) :
    I believe they were once part of the children of the forest but after the children made the pact with the first men they probably didn’t like the idea and hated how the first men had murdered most of their kin and cut down many of their trees and now they wanted peace, that is probably when a group of children left to the lands of always winter where they grew in numbers and in power thus becoming the white walkers, they later started attacking the first men and killing most of them until the last hero went in search of the children of the forest and he told them of the situation and they both found the white walkers and made a deal that would benefit all of them, the WW would stay in the lands of winter and not attack anyone, while the first men would offer their offsprings to the WW and not cut down any ware wood trees, years later this deal was broken when they killed the night’s king and his WW bride thus stopping the offerings and breaking the pact that was made, centuries later they are coming back for revenge and this time plan to destroy all the race of men with the long night.

  • @vegetableman7582
    @vegetableman7582 8 років тому

    well looks like you're on the right track with this one, concerning the show at least...I'm interested what the book side to this ends up looking like

  • @TheOliverthecat
    @TheOliverthecat 8 років тому +6

    Well it's confirmed now

  • @ColtonRainwater
    @ColtonRainwater 8 років тому

    I don't agree with most to all your theories, but you do bring up interesting points.

  • @boardwalkbarber
    @boardwalkbarber 8 років тому +1

    Just curious about your theory. Why would the others try to stop bran from entering under the tree if they are working together?

  • @JohnDoeTheGoodGuy
    @JohnDoeTheGoodGuy 8 років тому +8

    I'm rooting for the Children of the Forest and the Others.
    Fuck humans, their wars, their foolishness and they greed.

    • @NegativeNeutral
      @NegativeNeutral 8 років тому

      +John Doe What makes you believe that The Children and The Others are any less so?

    • @JohnDoeTheGoodGuy
      @JohnDoeTheGoodGuy 8 років тому +1

      TheTopHatManiac They're the offended party in this conflict, and they aren't human.
      That's all I need to know that they're better and need to win this.

    • @NegativeNeutral
      @NegativeNeutral 8 років тому

      John Doe They would probably be just as bad as humans. Power corrupted us. Power can corrupt everyone.

    • @JohnDoeTheGoodGuy
      @JohnDoeTheGoodGuy 8 років тому +1

      TheTopHatManiac Their brains may not work like humans. They might not have the same vile nature.
      Humans are corrupted since birth.

    • @NegativeNeutral
      @NegativeNeutral 8 років тому

      John Doe Humans are nothing more than another species walking this earth. No better than any other species and yet no worse. The key difference is our intelligence and power. If somehow, cows advanced faster than we did, I guarantee they would rule the world in no better fashion than humans. Humans are not evil. They are creatures like all the others in the animal kingdom.

  • @LaRosePetite
    @LaRosePetite 8 років тому

    I actually found a book in my attic called- Don't Tell the Grown Up's- it's a funny book explaining why kids like fairy tales, despite the violence. This was the first thing that I thought of after watching your video! I really think you're on to something. Children are in a developmental stage where they're still learning the consequences of their actions. This is probably why the Children of the Forrest are so inconsistent. They can't seem to grasp what their actions will cause, and the violence doesn't really register with them. This is one of my new favorite theories! I also like your Jon Snow theory!

  • @emmanuelmondesir1314
    @emmanuelmondesir1314 6 років тому +1

    what is the name of the music you use

  • @robbstark4135
    @robbstark4135 8 років тому +3

    this guy was actually right. GJ i will give this video a like

  • @ForbiddenMarketingSecrets
    @ForbiddenMarketingSecrets 8 років тому

    you nailed it with this one

  • @familyvideoacct
    @familyvideoacct 8 років тому

    I didn't realize the children had them keep a tree in each kingdom! i haven't read the books, but what an interesting twist! good observation!!

  • @cjpeterson2530
    @cjpeterson2530 8 років тому +6

    The videos are getting better and better, as are the theories. Keep up the great work. So if the Children are against man, then where does Blood Raven stand. Is he being manipulated or is he in league with them?

    • @cancoonjoe8094
      @cancoonjoe8094 8 років тому

      I think he is trying to win Bran over to THEIR cause. Even to see them in the show, these guys are weird as FUCK.

    • @bibbiana4Lyfe
      @bibbiana4Lyfe 8 років тому

      +TotalWarTutorials yeah but what's weird in a world with dragons, giants, direwolves, shadow babies and purple eyed people with silver hair?

    • @cancoonjoe8094
      @cancoonjoe8094 8 років тому

      true that sir

  • @sharonpoetry
    @sharonpoetry 8 років тому

    Wow u were right all the time! The new episode 5 season 6 explains everything!

  • @tjpm
    @tjpm 8 років тому +4

    and you were right!

  • @ericnatusch7658
    @ericnatusch7658 8 років тому +1

    Knowing the importance of weirwoods to the children it is fair to say that when the first men chopped the weirwoods down that could be seen as a first aggression. So I would disagree in that respect

  • @oultimonome
    @oultimonome 8 років тому +5

    We knew it!!! :D Those creepy things are the creators of the Others.

  • @rizzzzzzzzzzzz
    @rizzzzzzzzzzzz 8 років тому

    In the winds of winter these things will be revealed I'm so excited

  • @TerrySloane
    @TerrySloane 7 років тому +1

    No where in "A Song of Ice and Fire" is it said that the First Men gave up their gods. It is stated that they adopted the Old Gods however.

  • @carlfrisen7705
    @carlfrisen7705 8 років тому +4

    You absolute madman!

  • @Tobiemoss
    @Tobiemoss 8 років тому +1

    They seem suspicious now they're linked with Bloodraven (Bryden Rivers) who is a very dodgy character indeed. He's obviously got some game plan, is it revenge for being sent to the wall by King Aemon? Cant be self preservation as he's untouchable under the tree. The new series 6 shows Bloodraven flashbacks from his time in the nights watch, so i think hes got a big role in the story to come.

  • @KD-op4pb
    @KD-op4pb 8 років тому

    DUDEE You're SPOT ON!!!!

  • @ethnomusicologist1
    @ethnomusicologist1 8 років тому

    well done sir!!!

  • @qk-tb2df
    @qk-tb2df 8 років тому +1

    Do you all recommend that I read the books first or read the books as I watch the show? Is there a storyline issue where it will skip?
    I was thinking about getting into the series and I heard that reading the books makes it a lot more enjoyable.
    I am a big fan of JRR Tolkien and have heard great things about the series

    • @mikaelnielsen4607
      @mikaelnielsen4607 8 років тому

      the books arent written by him tho? theyre written by George R. R. Martin

    • @qk-tb2df
      @qk-tb2df 8 років тому

      Mikael Nielsen They are related right?

    • @QuinnsIdeas
      @QuinnsIdeas  8 років тому

      +qk1001 definitely read the books first

    • @1Dreamking
      @1Dreamking 8 років тому

      +qk1001 No they are not related.

    • @TexasWench
      @TexasWench 8 років тому +2

      Yes please read the books first, if you are having trouble getting through the first one...which I doubt you would, I recommend watching the first season of the show...ONLY, then stop and proceed with the rest of the books. I was introduced to the first season of the show before I read the books, and I immediately bought the books. It's good :) by far the best fantasy I have ever read.

  • @CW-wv1sl
    @CW-wv1sl 8 років тому

    have you done a vid about ice dragons???

  • @Macconator2010
    @Macconator2010 8 років тому

    What magical force was at work in this instance of unburnt? Is the temple of the Dosh Khaleen enchanted by the death of the Khal's? It's a great scene sure but understandably many book readers are confused.

  • @cathsaigh2197
    @cathsaigh2197 6 років тому +1

    The Singers/Children weren't the aggressors, the humans attacked first when they started to chop down the weirwoods.
    There are gods in the trees, if your definition of gods isn't so rigid that you disagree with the children when they call the ancient greenseers in the weirwoods their gods.

  • @DavidMacDowellBlue
    @DavidMacDowellBlue 8 років тому +1

    A perfectly okay theory--but like so many in ASOIAF depends mostly upon rumor.

  • @asheriko26
    @asheriko26 8 років тому

    you certainly have the freshest most interesting theories (which also makes most sense) of all the GOT you-tubers out there. I think you are dead-on about the origin of the others as well as to the true nature of the children of the forrest

  • @henryphillips1207
    @henryphillips1207 8 років тому

    this is really interesting really making me think hard now

  • @Alex-st8de
    @Alex-st8de 8 років тому

    Could be a nice twist, I'm calling Samwell Tarly to figure it out from his books.

  • @SabraKay
    @SabraKay 8 років тому

    So does this mean they are just using Bran? How does he figure into this scenario?

  • @Korky91
    @Korky91 7 років тому

    Could the Children of the forest have a link with Asshai? You say there are no kids/children in Asshai for some reason, and they have all kinds of magic to their hands. So what if they were drivven out of Asshai by some spell that doesn't allow children to be there?

  • @theredscary1
    @theredscary1 8 років тому

    This is excellent and begs for a follow up

  • @1shida1
    @1shida1 8 років тому

    wow your amazing.. i love your theories

  • @drd9136
    @drd9136 8 років тому +4

    Something bad is going to happen to bran at that cave I just know it.

  • @natkoori123
    @natkoori123 8 років тому

    not related to the video, but whoa that's a great family portrait of the Lannisters at 1:47

  • @user-kv4le9uu4k
    @user-kv4le9uu4k 7 років тому

    Song pls?

  • @hobs7392
    @hobs7392 8 років тому +1

    You called it ! From what I'm seeing online just now you're right about children O_O

  • @MetalGearChris1
    @MetalGearChris1 8 років тому +2

    YOU ARE THE BEST!!!!

  • @someguy7093
    @someguy7093 3 роки тому

    this is unrelated but when looking into these fairys i found out that they are sometimes called the aes sedhi and also Tuatha Dé Danann.. got some robert jordan naming vibes from that.

  • @FMonou
    @FMonou 6 років тому +2

    0:57 ~ 1:07 I don't agree with this, The children tend to be very Dryad in appeal. Men targeting weirwood trees could potentially be a child life not just far sight. In the minds of the children's humans attacked first. If anything its a huge disrespect when you know something is sacred to a neighbor and you decide to ignore that in favor of your own agenda. The children are magical and very trickster'ish like fay beings. They first tried to rationalize with a losing war with humans with religious notes sure. Did they make the walkers, yes but I have a feeling the walkers are out of their control now and they're just as much a problem as humans.

  • @morisonirrigation
    @morisonirrigation 7 років тому

    question
    who said valar morghulis first.
    the children of the forest said valar morghulis first when the first men came to cut down the weirwood trees.
    and then they make the white walkers out of a man (who was that man) what was his importance. is his his anger why he is attacking again. crastor made 99 male children now white walkers minus a couple that jon and sam killed.
    who is "the lord of light"
    the one holding the flaming sword -Azor Ahai?
    or maybe just a symbolical of someone great -Garth Greenhand

  • @cheriepynk8259
    @cheriepynk8259 8 років тому

    thanks for the video

  • @Hala10-7
    @Hala10-7 5 років тому +1

    The background music is depressing...the videos really good.

  • @ryandunster3454
    @ryandunster3454 8 років тому +4

    omg man you were right!!!

  • @genloulou
    @genloulou 8 років тому

    I don't know where your naysayers come from but you have been spot on with many of your predictions!

  • @fujirofujiro
    @fujirofujiro 7 років тому +1

    Great video!
    Ok the children of the forest have a master plan. But help me with this:
    1.Why would they permit Bran learn everything with BloodRaven (3 eyed raven)?
    2.Why would they help BloodRaven survive for so long to teach Bran?
    3.Why would they give their our life to protect Bran and BloodRaven?
    I don't think the Children have control over the White Walkers (at least not anymore). The WW must have their own plans I guess. Maybe they seek some kind of revenge? Maybe they want to bring balance to the world? Many believe that the birth of dragons come with the "revival" of magic and maybe this is not good for the world they live in.
    Anyone could answer me plz? xDDDD

  • @juantonio0788
    @juantonio0788 8 років тому

    I love how you are almost always right on the money about most theories except THE BIG ONE. lmao

  • @TheSpreadCoach
    @TheSpreadCoach 8 років тому +1

    I love your stuff, have you ever watched Teflontv? you and he where the first 2 I saw on UA-cam saying the Children of the Forest were not what they seem.His video actually was first it came 9 days before your original video on the Children. I was just thinking maybe the 2 of you could do a video together. You are both one of the very few blacks discussing Thrones on youtube and it would be nice to see you do something together

    • @Setsunako6587
      @Setsunako6587 8 років тому

      so...... We prefer to be called Black PEOPLE (emphasis added), not 'blacks.' Just calling someone a color and ignoring our personhood is *enormously* offensive. I'm only telling you because I don't think you did it on purpose. PLEASE inform your friends!! :)

    • @TheSpreadCoach
      @TheSpreadCoach 8 років тому

      +Setsunako6587 I am black! So are you really trying to tell me how I prefer to be identified? That's bold of you!

    • @Setsunako6587
      @Setsunako6587 8 років тому

      I'm blaq AND a woman! If a woman I don't know called me something I didn't like, I would say "please don't call me that." In both cases I'm just talking about how *I* want to be addressed. I am in no way the ambassador for All People of Color :) If you're okay with people calling us "blacks," I don't love you any less. Seriously, no shade! peace brother

  • @Dragon.um5tz
    @Dragon.um5tz Рік тому

    I do have a theory on both the books of the song of ice and fire and the Game of Thrones TV show I always saw that the maps just simply ends have like no borders but what if the world of ice and fire is a lot more bigger than we think it is

  • @eljefe9417
    @eljefe9417 8 років тому

    Do you think that Bloodraven and the other "souls" in the weirwood trees are trying to find a way to "get out"? And that they are responsible for much of what is going on?

  • @joolsgrommers1466
    @joolsgrommers1466 8 років тому +1

    Looks like you were pretty close here.. At least in the show we now have most of the (Frankenstein/nuclear) story..

  • @randomguy3139
    @randomguy3139 5 років тому

    The dynamic with the children of the forest and the weirwood trees is symbolism of the interconnectedness and symbiotic nature of all organisms and how the children like most native peoples can live with nature in peace and harmony and "man" destroys everything it comes into contact with by twisting nature to benefit them. The white walkers coming out and why... Well, it's "A Song of Ice and Fire". I think it's about restoring some type of balance and I really think GRRM should have a revelations type explanation and a new beginning and also write something detailing the mysteries of the ancient Ashai and Yi Ti, the shadow people and all that good stuff... The origins. Anyway, I'm rambling... I need the books btw which order do you recommend reading them ?

  • @Bl00dBl055um
    @Bl00dBl055um 6 років тому

    I so agree with you on the children! It seems to me like the Weirwood are kind of like a super organism that has a special symbiotic relationship through a psychic link with beings of species that protect them in exchange for knowledge. I think the trees are the great other. The children and others are protectors of the great other in a similar way some ants protect the trees in which they make their colony.

  • @sci-fi-night6241
    @sci-fi-night6241 8 років тому +1

    Very interesting point about the first men adopting the religion of the children of the forest, I never actually thought about that^^ I still wouldn't hold the first men unaccounted for as they did invade the lands of the children of the forest after all. I also think the children have an agenda of their own, just like everyone else. Great video! :)

  • @davidpower666
    @davidpower666 8 років тому

    im from Ireland and i think its cool that the mitos comes from here. love it