Fake Japanese Knife Scams
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- Опубліковано 14 бер 2019
- How to spot a fake Japanese knife scam
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I just nearly bought HUUSK knife ...after seeing 50 % off .. priced at £30 ...and after hearing your talk, I looked at where it's made....
....well the contact details are based in LITHUANIA .
Do you know of HUUSK JAPAN KNIVES ?
Are they safe to buy from ?
Do you make these knives yourself ?
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@Braden Omar Thanks, I went there and it seems like a nice service :D Appreciate it !!
@Rudy Junior No problem :)
"The original retail price is $599.99."
Speech 100
Illusion 100
It does not mean anything except for the fact they would be happy if somebody paid them this much...
Not funny
Illusion 100 😂
😂😂😂
Thank you for your message. There are so many scams out there and you have a wide audience to spot light them. well done.
Thanks dude. I’ve been scammed (thankfully not very much money) and it’s a sickening feeling. Hope this stops at least some folks getting ripped off. Keep up the good work mate. Love your enthusiasm. My family tell me I’m mad! lol
Thanks for pointing this out to people, in the UK the shop TK max makes a shit ton of money with similar tactics in their knives, some of their knives are actually okay but there has been a lot of etched fake damascus blades coming in the last 6-8 months or so.
I am glad that you are doing this as the knife scam is out of control online and people need help from trustworthy sources to help them not to fall prey to these unscrupulous vendors. Great service and keep the good work!
yes, the damascus knife is not so cheap price🤣
I’m a little sad because I just bought Yamato Knife Sets before I saw this video ... I fell for it man. I’m glad you posted this video because now I can be more aware of the scams
I love your channel for the knowledge and respect the fact you demonetized for the reason of spreading good information being your priority.
Thx man, I literally was one click from completing my purchase when I thought, "I wonder if anyone has reviewed this online?"
if its too good to be true, it is
@@BillyBlaze7 That depends though. Morakniv sounds too good to be true as a $20 knife that you can use and abuse as an EDC, however, they are legit, and I swear by them. My Carbon Express arrows are also amazing in comparison to high priced arrows. A good price isn't always a scam, but seeing things 75% off definitely is. It just takes a little looking around, and common sense to figure out what is legit or not.
Same. Bought one of his knives to thank him for saving me from buying some trash. Will buy another later on, I’m sure.
“DAMASUkasu” lmfao 😂🤣 how much more blatant can it get?
Umm, damasukasu (ダマスカス) is Japanese for damascus. You must be making a joke.
@@angelus_solus Yes, he's making a joke that their name involves "Damasu" which roughly means "to trick"
The vast majority of people have no clue what to look for, and only look for markers of quality like "Japanese", "German steel", "Damascus" etc.
Thank you for sharing! I was saw a few knife ads too and I was curious about buying but it looked to good to be true.
Thanks Ryky appreciate the fact you’re looking out for us
thanks Candie! many more of these videos coming out in the future.
A few year ago I bought a "Damascus" steel chef knife off Amazon, it showed up without an edge and warped beyond use. Luckily it was only $50. You get what you pay for.
I saw an ad on instagram yesterday offering similar knife sets for $200 "marked down" from $1300, and then the exact same knife set at $100 "marked down" from $500. Pretty easy for me to see some of these scams, but unfortunately some people still fall for it
Great info as usual
I totally agree that someone is trying to sell fake Japanese Damascus knives and anyone buying these knives are being ripped off. I buy online but, I will always contact the buyer or buy from Amazon because I can return the item.
My advice for buying a japanese knife:
Travel to Japan, find a nice local knife store and buy a high quality knife there (do NOT think too much about money when making the decission though - buy the best you can afford). Years later you will always think back to your experience of visiting Japan when using the knife + your knife has a real story connected with you, not only 'I bought it on some random website in the internet'.
If you buy an expensive knife in a known shop in Japan, you can be absolutely sure you buy quality there. Probably no japanese store will ever trick you on buying quality, its part of their ethics.
thank you for sharing!
japanese knives themselves are very cheap from the manufactures. in shops prices wildly vary in japan and there ismuch scams and bullshit.. also japanese knives are not great quality.. i have sold them for years.. there is no dropforged blades in japan for example.. technology for cutlery just dosnt exsist ouside of europe.. in japan they take a blade and with a welder just weld the blade to a cast stainless steel bolster and tangthat they buy.. just like in china.. all the japanese made stainless fusion style western influenced knives are just rubbish... welded blades. brittle unergonomic ect.. fake laminated wood hanles ect on wholesale theyer cheap. retail.. high prices.. japanese traditional handmade knives are a different story.. they are made by small makers and are carefully made.. some can be quit cheap.. but theyer carbon steel and need to be oiled and cleaned every day. japanese hand sharpening on traditional knives is fantastic. but their knives are unergonomic, akward ect. if you want knivesjust for using then forged fdick, zwilling or wusthoff knives are unmatched by any other makers.. theyer stronger. more ergonomic. better shaped, finer edged ect ect than any products available. but price isthe issue. i can get a 18 cm bladed stainless laminate vg10 jap.. nikiri or santukou knife with plastic bolster (extra for horn) and bubinga handle from several makers for 25 bucks . but the good large german makers all have high wholesale prices and the cheaper spanish products are vastly inferior
Or, you go to a reputable cutlery store. I am fortunate enough to be able to commute to Manhattan, NY. My go to spot is JB Prince and Korin. JB Prince is when I go for Germans but they do carry other knives, Korin is specializes in Japanese Knives.
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 I was saying that some of these Japanese knives do look flimsy and people have Said it felt like a toy.. 🤣
Thia is great information. Thank you for looking out for all of us. It's always best to buy a quality knife once instead of buying something that is almost to throw away item. 👍
I mean knives are consumables it's just that quality ones you sharpen less often and last much longer.
Good observation ! It pays to do the research on what one might be interested in.
"Coated with 67 layers", LOL. Is that steel applied with a paint brush?
Is going to be laser edged
Actually it is 33 layers of damascus steel on each side of the knife folded with 1 core steel. The core steel is usually a lot harder and much easier to corrode. They layer it 33 times with damascus steel for the purpose of aesthetics and corrosion resistance. It has nothing to do with sharpness. The moment they said used layering like japanese blades, it's an obvious scam. With current generation steel there is no reason for layering at all as there are no impurities like in the old Japanese ores back then.
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But it is not layered steel and they never claimed that it was layered steel.
@@patrickriarchy6054 bruh wut. it says coated with 67 layers
@@tanmingsung9228
It's not though. I own a 16 troy oz. Gold bar. See anyone can lie.
This is rampant in the folding pocket knife world. Advertised as super steels like S30V, etc.
Dangerous One Less so than you might think, but the primary culprits are Eafengrow , YStart, and Fura. Pretty much any of the clones they sell as D2 are 8cr.
There are lots of low end knife makers laser etching inferior steels to make them appear damascus but at least most of them admit it.
I’ve seen these on Craigslist and let go. Laughed my ass off, especially if someone paid $200 for the knife/2knife set
Thank you. Much respect !
120 hours per knife, 3 knives, that's 360 hours of skilled craftsman labor (plus materials) you're supposedly buying for $300 (discounted to $70). If it was real, and each knife took 120 hours to make, the COST to make that knife set would probably be over $10,000.
Labor power in china costs 10 bucks/16 hours
@@PwnUrBadCock or sometimes less
Thank's for the update. 👍👍
The price is a glaringly obvious red flag. Quality knives cost a whole lot more than that.
From what I have been able to gather, true VG10 steel is not sold outside of Japan, however, it's not hard to approximate that alloy. So there are real Japanese trained knife makers set up in China, that do make hand made forged knives and on mass scale, and many reputable companies have contracts to make their knives in China because the cost is so much cheaper. For instance, I bought a Kyoko Nakiri that is my favorite knife for under 100 dollars, I then bought the Kenji knife from Kan, and it is also an absolute great knife! Here's the thing, the tear drop handles, the handle materials, the bolster, the slightly rounded spine...are the same....so same factory. Each one has minor differences, mainly cosmetic, probably what each company puts in their contract. I was curious about the Damascus....but I also bought 2 nakiris, one for my son, and the pattern is very different. So yes, these are made in China and Cheaper, but it doesn't mean they are not really good knives. Maybe some exporters do buy sub standard production and sell it even cheaper, so find a company you like with a good reputation and buy it directly from them. I highly recommend Kyoko and Kan. Those two knives came razor sharp and after many uses still maintain the same edge, haven't even had to hone them. It's also about knife care and maintenance. My knife roll is almost full but my next purchase will be an authentic Japanese petty knife I will buy from the Sharp Knife Shop in the 200 dollar range. I am eager to see the difference.
Thanks for sharing mate
I would like to see some actual specs: where the steel and knife were produced, the actual and steel composition (VG-10 or whatever). An actual cutting test for edge retention would tell much as well. I think this information by Ryky is useful, especially for those unfamiliar with these products. Good job.
@Burrfection can you give me any info regarding Regalia's "Emperor Series" knives? Are they looped in with this same scam? I purchased a few, on the website I purchased them from, they were advertised as: "Japanese knives," but when I unboxed them, the box said "made in china." If they were made in china, does that mean they could be questionable quality?
Haha awesome vid!! So crazy i do the same thing when i come across cheap deals i always google the item cuz i basically know its either counterfeit or what has happened here false marketing. Funny the exact couple things i look at first is similar price, then how many reviews from these supposed "different" websellers. False ads/marketing shld be banned more, somehow they are getting around it
Thanks man! Placed an order and was able to cancel it after watching your video
3 years later, Kamikoto
almost brought one today of amazon but i managed to cancel it in time, it had all the fancy words said it was made in japan and it being the first knife i didn't know better i really have no idea about knives, then on closer inspection i did the same thing here i searched it up and it came up with different pages but it was all the same knife and was from china, being from china is not was made me reconsider buying it on the contrary the reviews were honest saying its really sharp and holds its edge well all and all a knife that was quite decent, but i didn't like being lied to so i canceled and brought a good quality knife from a well know brand and couldn't be more happy, the Chinese knife i would've brought it had they been honest
Fight the fake !
Great video !
Thank you very much 😘
Very informative video. Thanks
so are these Paudin knives on amazon made in Japan ? I found a bunch of similar knives "stamped" different brands but look identical... thanks
It is truly horrible how almost everything that is easily available or thrown in your face is just an absolute garbage product.
Fell for this scam hard... lol. So needless to say I am now looking for a new set of knives. Hopefully I can find something of quality this time around.
I been getting all these ads too on my Facebook and ig ( thank god I found this channel)
hi, thx for the video. What do you think about the shan zu knives brand .? i've check all of the details of the knife itself, and for 70 euros, seems like a good knife, what do you think ?
Thank you for the warning, almost fell for them
SAME!...
Thanks for the vid. Although you didn't say how you know they are not actually Japanese?
Also have you heard of nanfang brothers knives? Any good?
what about kinzoku steel set? saw it on facebook but it has its own website and a disclaimer that their advertised knives are not damascus steel, but laser etched. they have a link to their damascus steel knives that are like $100 a piece
Love your content. What is that cuttingboard? Brand and material.
Last Christmas I was nearly sucked in by a similar ad on Facebook. Luckily I reseached before finally chosing a well respected brand instead. Got to thank the ad for the idea for a present though lol.
haha.... don't do it
passdasalt what brand? I’m trying to buy some too
What about Vertoku? It almost looks the same as this one in the video.
They are still doing this today - not this particular brand but hundreds of them! Every time I look for knifes online I get bombarded with these ads on instagram. And now they use the “ONLY 9 HOURS LEFT ON SALE! BUY NOW!!” Phrase too.. but it’s always the same time .. every day :’)
4 years later, but hope this might help. People should read and question , if it takes 120 hours to make 1 blade, who would sell 3 knives for $49?
Also, these knives are not Damascus steel, but the pattern is printed on. And the handles are plastic with a wood look.
Very interesting, Thank you.
i love my knives and have everything from aogami super made by master craftsmen in Japan, to knives bought from street markets in Thailand and i have a few thoughts.
1) the most important thing is not the steel, its how sharp a knife is kept. If you dont keep it sharp then frankly white paper #1, blue super, zdp 189, hap 40 or VG10...none if it matters. People buying these knives probably wont keep them sharp so a good knife is wasted on them anyway
2) for most people genuine damascus is a scam anyway, trading on the techniques used to make Japanese weaponry when smelting wasnt of today's standards and so layers were needed to achieve a homogeneous metal. It does nothing to change the performance of a knife these days, so unless you are knowledgeable enough to recognize and appreciate the complexity of the particular forging method used to produce it, then its just a question of the knife being pretty. Painted pretty or forged pretty...if you dont appreciate the latter then its all the same.
3) given that these knives wont be kept anywhere near the sharpness one can achieve with proper quality steel, then what matters is the fit, finish, weight, balance, comfort shape etc of the knife (i.e. everything other than the edge) and this can be achieved in china at a pretty low cost, and so these knives are not necessarily substandard in this respect.
I bought a knife like one of these, dirt cheap, keep it sharp and let the wife use it. Is it a collectors piece? no. Is it kept sharp? yes. Is the wife happy using it? Yes. Does it keep her away from my good knives? Yes.
If people buy these knives, feel they have a bargain, are happy with the feel of it and the look of it....well good luck to them and to the people selling them. Who is being hurt?
Telling people that they arent the real deal is like (and sorry to sound patronizing) like telling a child father christmas is also a sham. All it does is spoil the pleasure some people are getting from their knife.
rant over :-)
I want to buy an authentic japanese knife but there are so many fakes around, sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. If they were to put up a disclaimer that the knives are fake and that's the reason they are cheap, then people wouldn't complain or feel cheated. But they are marketing the fakes as the real thing. You might be ok with that. I am not.
Imagine if they were to sell authentic gold rings, only for it to be fake gold. The principle is the same, it is a scam.
Hi , I need your help , I never hear about Neseto knifes , I find one in Australia but totally confuse, is that Chanese manufactured or same fake ? Please help
As someone who works in online marketing this looks to me a like a PBN (paid blog network) paired with a drop shipper. Often times you will find the same sale and reviews across multiple sites with drop shipping as all of that information comes from the one warehouse / supplier. Thats not to say its a scam, your order will very likely get forfilled and sent to you.... but it is deceptive marketing you are correct.
Those knives look too good to cost 90% less than retail price. My initial guess was that the quality is far worse than Faberware.
I purchased these knives about 4 months ago. We use them nearly everyday and they are actually pretty good knives. Well balanced also. I also own a salesman set of the Cutco knives that we've had for going on 20 years (only reason why I bought these Damasukasu knives is because all my home is packed up in a storage container and I am waiting to move into a new place and in the mean time I needed some knives that weren't the aluminum Wal-Mart variety, thus this affordable and well advertised set peaked my interest). These fake Japanese knives have maintained their sharpness and we clean them, dry them and put them back in their case when we are done. Haven't seen any signs of wear, no rust, and they still cut very cleanly. I sharpen knives a lot and I haven't needed to sharpen these at all. So with all that said, they are inexpensive, designed to look like you are getting expensive knives, but what you get is a nicely designed blade that looks great and cuts well and doesn't cost $599. Maybe I was just lucky...
Hey Ricky, do u know any real vg10 knife selling on the aliexpress ? Or all of'em fake ? I check some and i think some sellers really use good quality steel like vg10 and aus10 . What do u think aliexpress knives?
Yup, and this isn't the only knife that is being sold as a Damascus knife, from Japan, and yet one doesn't receive one. Scams all over the net, especially on pop up adds.
Hello friend - can you let me know if Amazon brand Koi is a real Japanese knife please?
I am in the UK
thanks for the video
Thanks a lot. This video is like drinking fresh water on a hot day.
Thank you for the video. It is very important. I noticed some fake Bob Kramer Euro-lines came out in the second-hand markets (flea market & auction). They are simply wrong just judging from the photo. I think the scammer is also targeting a different market and there are more easy victims when it comes to the second-hand markets.
I maybe 2 years late but another way to check would be their office address, many drop shipping "scams" either have virtual offices or home based offices. Just do a google street view of those address and more often than not it will not look like a legit office of any legit business
Thank you!
That brown handled one from the homemade set in particular is everywhere on amazon, ebay and aliexpress. They're worth about 5 bucks each. Not a terrible knife at that price point, but worth nowhere near 50 for all three of them.
Exactly. Those sites selling them online are dropshippers. They ship the knives from aliexpress directly to the consumer, who never realizes they're being scammed.
Thanks for the info.....
What is the cheapest japanese made knives set Thanks for any info
It's very important to publish this scam! Handmade knife and cheap mass production knifes are a complete differnt thing. And nobody should beliefe these advertisements.
Hometownknives also sell garbage knives , so look out for those fake knives.
Any feedback on the Kutara knives?
Yay, finally.... This is the kind of thing I contacted you about months ago. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Can you recommend a good chef knife under $200? Not Carbon steel, I can't and so not have time to take care of it as it is needed.
Thank you so much.
Hi. What about "santoku Japanese knive" brand? Does anybody knows something about those knives? Thanks
what are your thoughts about the MAC MTH-80?
Also keep an eye out for knives sold on amazon. A coworker of mine ordered a wusthof and after a week it lost its edge and tried to sharpen it would lose its edge after a couple of days and after a week the wusthof logo was actually a sticker that came off after 2 weeks. He paid what u would pay retail at for example Williams Sanoma
The reviews on any wusthof knives show the fakes knives too, best way to really avoid fakes is buy from reliable retailers. Wusthof's main website show the retailers that sell their knives too.
you are second person who has mentioned fake wusthof, though, i find this VERY hard to believe. i'm sure it can happen, but making a "fake" knife is not easy. it costs less to design a whole new knife, with packaging, than to replicate an existing knife. either way, i'll try to buy one of these fake wusthofs and see if i can fool someone.
1 german steel does NOT hold an edge so losing it's edge after a coupple of days is NORMAL
2 the wusthof logo is etched and yes, that etchnig DOES wear off especially if people are stupid and put them in dishwashers. But you're right, they do not use stickers on the blade. But they DO use stickers on the handle.
3 Amazon is a reputable company and only sells authentic product itself, but it DOES sell stuff from third parties which might or might not be real.
they hold all third party retailers to strict anti-counterfeit measures. They work very closely with the FBI's intellectual property department.
4 When you buy from Amazon, think twice before buying from third parties unless "fulfilled by Amazon".
IF the sticker you mentioned is the blade logo, contact Amazon that it's a counterfeit. IF the sticker you are talking about is the handle sticker. that IS normal.
Good for you. 👍
Very well said. This kind of scam is BS.
hey, you know how it is. the bike business is being bombarded with budget carbon rims and frames too.
@@Burrfection yes, absolutely. The bike biz is rife with this kind of thing. You did the right thing by spreading the word. Educating others, and outing the scammers is the best way to put them out of business.
this is just the one of many.
Thank you...
I just bought a Shikisai Gyuto knife have you had any experience with these knives? I can post link if needed
Glad to see you have our backs, as always ! Thank you. Leonard
just doing what i can
Is the pocket knjife any good?
my sister recently got me a knife set for Christmas, they came in a leather holder with two buckles holding it closed, I asked where she got them and stuff but she did not tell me, So I don't know where they came from or who sold them... but they are "Damascus" knives....they also struggle to cut anything, I've sharpened one of them (I'm learning so...) but still cant cut through paper as I see people doing with their tests. I got a feeling they are a set from these scams, the knifes edge seems to be very weird too, unevenly sharpened
I just ordered a set but only paid 13 bucks for three knives. I am not expecting much. If they cut and do not crack in half I will be pleased.
Hi. I found your channel after searching to find out if the damascus chefs knife my girlfriend got me for Xmas is genuine damascus. The brand is Precision. 67 layers and all. watching this video now. Can you help me know or is there another video of yours that you could direct me towards to learn more. Many thanks. Subbed
Hey Ricky ! Do you have any videos on how to clean a full carbon Damascus knife ?
As always your tips are on point sir. As a chef I will pass on your info to my contemporaries. Thanks
So, are there any other ways to spot false advertising? eg like nickel content?
Thanks for the videos. Bought one knife off your site, will probably buy another soon. 👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you for supporting what i do
So the question is are they any good for $69 even though they are not the amazing $500 set. I didn't notice you actually had a set.
What amazes me is that amazon is in on it
They took a page from Kamikoto's play book.
I have been trying to find good information on Bokashi Steel Knives. They have a Facebook page but that means noting. I was wondering if they are worth the money they are asking... Thanks. Matt.
I've seen a big influx of "damascus VG10 core" steel and knives lately. Now I can get a bar of VG10 for about $200, but somehow there are all of these new makers putting out complete "handmade damascus/vg10" chef knives daily for under $150? Kills me how quickly they sell.
Tojiro makes a whole line of real Quality Knives - the DP series - that have a Vg-10 core and are priced in the low Hundreds category. They are NOT fake and are actually really good knives that I have been recommending for Years.
I was charged in February but as of today 6/21/21, I have never received anything. Awful
I'm out of the loop about that Kamikoto brand you keep mentioning in your video descriptions. What's up with them specifically and why are they lumped together with the more obvious scams like Grilladdicts and this Damasukasu brand? Kamikoto's website looks far more professional than the other two and at least appear to go through quite a bit more trouble than the other scams to present their products as legit. The knives also don't appear to cost that cheap, and nor do they currently have big slashed price discounts. What I do find a dead giveaway that they're not authentic is that they label what appears to be a single bevel deba as a santoku, and an usuba as a nakiri. But, and correct me if I'm wrong, aside from the use of false advertising, their level of quality and price appears comparable to companies like Dalstrong, which btw do currently display rather large but still reasonable slashed-price discounts on their store pages. So what exactly is the problem other than the pretense that Kamikoto are authentic Japanese knives? Is there any solid proof that they're at least not made in Japan? What am I missing here?
So whats the best knife dollar for dollar ?
Thanks
Thanks for the heads up Ryky! I hadn’t seen these yet but it’s good to know the best practices in spitting rip offs.
there's a lot more out there. more to go
they just want your credit card number guys, don't buy anything from suspicious ads on a random website. I can't explain the details but what they do is just copy-paste some code and put different ads in it hoping someone would put their credit card number etc and get easy money. if you got scam, just go to your bank to cancel the transaction.
great job
And what is wrong with the knives except that they are unlikely to be hand made (though it depends on exact definition -- human hand could have touched the knife indeed)? May I ask you to be more specific please?