I don't think Homelander will be a threat in s3. The focus will be on Victoria and towards the end something will happen which will change the power dynamic back to Homelander. Atleast that's what I feel.
I agree he's great, and I know we all rightfully love Antony Starr but also Karl Urban is just hilarious and underrated, he really should be considered A-list at this point but somehow isn't.
Id put him below Karl urban but absolutely. I love Frenchie. That scene in season 1 where he tells hughie about his abusive dad then just walks away is one of my favorite
The thing I like about the Characters is, that they aren’t too Cliche badass and edgy. Like when Butcher recruits two badasses in season one, they aren’t mean to the “New guy“ and he doesn’t have to proof himself to get accepted. MM and Frenchie are just genuinely nice to him, while still being effective killers and badasses.
They also don't fetishize butcher, they push butcher's edginess to a point where you clearly realize he's an asshole with emotional issues, but you still kinda root for him.
@@peterbedford449 well, this was explained in the wise crack video of the boys, but stormfront’s edginess is very much a purposeful persona she puts on in order to make herself attractive to people who are disgruntled with society and once she reels them in she feeds them her far right rhetoric as an answer to their grievances. Which, funnily enough, is pretty similar to how people get radicalized on UA-cam.
@@2122Hellfire Ah yeah I don't just mean when she's acting though. I mean the whole secret nazi plotline I found to be pretty cliche. Especially when her true character is revealed and she just becomes out and out evil to all the other sups. She was just very angry evil person at that point. I think a better move from a character standpoint would have been to make her evil but to make her want to gain power or take over the superhero org, instead of turn all of America in to Nazi America. I just found that a bit much. It didn't really fit into one season in terms of time or pacing.
@@peterbedford449 I mean she only really lost her mind at the end when they revealed her to the public, which emotionally made sense cause that meant she was truly screwed. The rest of the time she was doing pretty much the goal of any Nazi, radicalize as many people as possible and hopefully start a fascist revolution. She was approaching this goal pretty intelligently by playing to Homelanders ego and hooking up with him because Homelander has a lot of trust among the American right who are going to be easier to radicalize. She has no real reason to take over vought when she has America’s sweetheart in her pocket.
As a New Zealander like him we were lucky to see him in shows like Outrageous Fortune where he kills it as a pair of twins: one a stoner and the other a lawyer.
Can't wait to see him act in something normal. Like he's just a normal dad with a teenage kid and they're arguing about ice cream. He'll probably be close to perfect, but part of me will still expect lasers from his eyes at any moment.
Now he's just a puppy on a leash... I will miss the almighty Homelander who could kill anyone and no one would stand up against him. Still, it will be fun to see him dealing with everything now that he's being blackmailed.
It's extra-scary that he's menacing in a... pathetic way? Like a toddler with poor impulse control and fucked-up fixations. He's clingy and gullible and self-absorbed, but in a very vulnerable way, and the entire mix is so volatile it's just... terrifying.
Homelander isn't even Evil Superman to me anymore. He is Homelander. It just so happens he has a similar style of outfit and powers to the man of steel. He is such a fantastic character.
in justice league, superman started killing everyone when they brought him back to life. even though it's a shitty movie, it shows what happens when someone with superpowers isn't raised right.
He is great as a kind of an antithesis to superman though. Representing the worst traits of humanity and brought up without the love and care that was afforded to clark kent. He is very much the anti superman. If superman is the best of us, homelander is the wordt of ud
I want him to have someone that actually loves him. He's evil but he was born in a lab full of mad scientists. He has never experience true love. Give this man someone to love and let him sacrifice himself or some shit I don't know
Garth ennis Has this running theme in his comics about turning completely disgusting characters into comedy relief. And i really love it each and every time! +spoilers+ Since stormfront came out alive and dismembered i'm kind of hoping some of that for season 3....
@momarist he DID retrieve the footage of what happened in that airplane which saved butcher's life in the end, but yeah i felt that the storyline with him and the church of the collective stuff didn't really pay off this season. Guess we'll see how we progresses in season 3!
I disagree with the whole supe issue. If every supe was like Homelander, there would be no need to fear Homelander or for him to create such awe. Also you forgot Mesmer, a supe in season 1 that Butcher literally beat to death. So that variance of power level, is not new to season 2. In addition, the various levels of power between the supes is what keeps the show interesting and not just a "hey Kimiko or Starlight, can you go kill Homelander and lets call this a day" type thing. If all the supes on the show on the same or similar level of power, there would be no show, as there would be no threat.
It was an incredibly stupid nit pick he made. Every single comic ever has super hero’s with different durabilities, I didn’t even understand what he was talking about
@@TrueGamer22887 they did do a bad job of establishing different supes individual durabilities. They carry guns around as if half the characters aren't bulletproof
Your point is good, I think Cosmonaut may have been confused by how Stormfront was able to shrug bullets and force but could get a knife in the eye - which I chalk up to a) the eye being a vulnerable part of the body and b) her being extremely weathered post that fight.
Choppss the way you establish vulnerabilities is by seeing what Frenchie tries to do. He's the supe expert, if he tries guns on someone it means guns probably work on them.
i agree, you can't really tell how powerful is Stormfront when she shows up at the beginning but it is established through scenes in the show. Same with the Torch/Majorette guy, when they meet him in the flashback with Mellory, that guy doesn't look like a Homelander, he is pretty human.
Everyones raving about Antony Starr and while he is phenomenal, Karl Urban as Butcher just gives me Goosebumps that I've never felt before. Bot deserve so much praise for their presence on screen
I loved how butcher had a chance to see a bit of himself on homelander when he realized how his dad fucked him up and the main scientist dude did the same to Homelander. Shitty dads man
The Supes are not monolithic. Their power levels and vulnerabilities differ from Supe to Supe. This was true in season 1. Not even Homelander knew Stormfront was bullet proof until he was lasering her chest so variation is obviously a part of this world and not the result of bad writing.
Exactly. The durability of supes varies a lot and is not always clear-cut. Like Homelander is damn near invincible, and while Stormfront was able to handle his laser vision, she wasn't really able to handle Ryan's, so clearly she's not as durable as Homelander probably is. It's also clear that some supes come out with rather shitty powers like The Deep, or have little to no super durability like Mesmer who was killed as easily as any normal human being could be.
@@machinelifeform5623 well Homelander really didn't go all out with her. Imo he can control it a bit. Like when he daydreams about lasering the crowd is a lot more powerful than him just taking out some people or using it on her. I don't think any supe including probably himself can take his or Ryans full powered lasers without getting mangled. Stormfront according to the comics is the second most powerful though so she could definitely take more than average
Everyone rightfully praises anthony starrs acting, but I never see much praise for Karen Fakuhara. She has to act without speaking once, and her facial acting is fantastic throughout the entire show. Especaily the one scene with Frenchie after the prison stuff
For real. I only knew her from the sucide squad movie where she played Katana aka the quiet asian girl who fights. So not much different of a character at least in season one. But season two she honestly kinda blew me away especially with her facial expressions when she’s talking to her brother
I forget, did The Boys comic even have a Spiderman? I don’t think they did. They had a Batman/Ironman, all the X-men, a Teen Titans-esque group, etc. but I don’t remember a Spiderman
Let's all admit that Frenchie and Kimiko had the best relationship. I like Hughie and Starlight but as for development and pacing, Frenchie and Kimiko take the cake. It's just so great and pure. Like he liked her so much that he wanted to learn how to understand her and in the end, she ended up teaching him. ARGH IT'S SO CUTE!!!
Frenchie and Kimiko are separately two of my favourite characters because of what they do to protect each other and their own backstories/actions in the show. And this is coming from a show thats character writing for its protagonists and antagonists is arguable the main reason it's so beloved by the fans. I would ship the two if Frenchie would grow to stop trying to "save" her and take their relationship at her pace. Admittedly, since she's mute that's hard to know but he seems to be getting better at that after the fail kiss in season 2. I'd be equally happy if they got together or remained friends, and it'll be interesting to see how both of their characters evolve to fit even closer into each others lives.
Yeah I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the symbolism of their relationship. I also like that Stormfront was kind of a feminist. Too often, shows just have generally woke or generally bigoted characters but here they show that being somewhat progressive in one area doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna have an enlightened perspective on everything. My only complaint from a social commentary perspective is that I dislike how they're building up the CIA as allies in the fight against Vought when Vought's sins seem pretty similar to a lot of the stuff the CIA has done in real life.
@@2122Hellfire Well, I mean, at the end of the day is an american show. They aren't really going to go against the CIA or government in any meaningful way. Use the supes as a metaphor of how power corrupts is one thing because supes are not real, implement the idea that the powers in America are inherently flawed is another.
Said the guy with a Communist shirt, the ideology that killed 100,000,000 people in one century alone and no, I am not defending white supremacists. Come on now guys, try and find him excuses. I am waiting.
@@killer2403 Lmaoooooooooooooo the commie-nism killed a septillion people bro!!!! 😂😂 Your comment is indistinguishable from satire. Poe's Law is a hell of a drug.
ATTENTION BROTHER!!! I have two very very hot and big UA-camr girlfriends who I show off (I smell like 100 de*d orangutans oh nooo)! Thank you for you attention, dear dude kid rhy
I'm gonna play devil's advocate here: holding Lamplighter at gunpoint makes sense, because it seemed like aside from his fire abilities, he was just a normal human with normal vulnerabilities. Contrast that with Translucent who had unbreakable skin in addition to his invisibility, and Stormfront who was basically Homelander with lightning powers. I never got the impression that ALL the members of the Seven were invulnerable, just certain members. That being said...yeah, them deciding to just kill all the supes with their weapons was really weird. Like, maybe they would've killed, say, A-Train, the Deep, or even Black Noir (assuming he's not like the comic's version), but there's no way in hell they would've killed Homelander. They've made it very clear since the beginning that Homelander has no known physical weaknesses, which is why up till now, they've always avoided him rather than confronting him directly. So yeah, that's a bit of a huge gaping plot-hole....unless, you know, Butcher and co. are just crazy/suicidal.
That’s how I always understood it. Not every superhero has the same powers. Maybe CVH doesn’t think they illustrate that well in the show? I thought it made sense, but maybe I watch and read too much superhero media 😆
I also agree, even tho it would be near impossible to shoot a-train, I think he would die from a gunshot, and it became a lot easier to kill the seven because Annie was there to tell them what each hero was suffering from and how to defeat them
I mean the way they take out “homelander” in the comic is literally having supes help weaken him and then shooting him, and they always could have tried to just attack the supes, but the plan has always been take down vought not just kill the supes becuase they’ll just make more, until they took Ryan and butcher wanted to help
I've had this question casually in the back of my mind ever since I found out there is a most wanted list and with the exception of Osama Bin Laden for a long time the answer is almost always "no" and I find that utterly fascinating in this day and age
I’d have to disagree that the Boys wouldn’t be able to defeat all the Supes. In season 1, there would be no way for them to do it. In season 2, the Boys have had way more interactions with the Seven. They’ve researched their enemies. I especially love how MM is going to use epinephrine to kill A Train, since he has heavy withdrawals and heart issues. It wasn’t out of nowhere. Also, Translucents super powers were literally invincibility, which was limited to him. I also like how Frenchie said that the weapons they’d use to kill Stormfront was a guesstimate. Kinda like when they made the bullet out of the same stuff Transluscents skin was made from.
Yeah I think the point was how much damage could we do if we Tried to kill the superheroes not that they would 100% be able to kill all the superheroes
Yeah that point he made was kinda dumb. What makes him assume that all supes have the same durability or strength Yes some can be held at gun point but you have to get creative with others that's just basic logic
They had some okay reasoning for a couple of them like you said, but then it gets to the elephant in the room… How do they kill Homelander? At that point in season 2, how would they even have conceived of a way to do that? Even if they murder all of the other ones, even a nuke wouldn’t have been able to do our star-spangled manchild in. Plothole so big it ruined the scene for me lol.
@@motyovszkimiklos7538 she was at the tower with stormfront when the nazi pics leaked. She probably just followed her to the fight with her super jumps.
"it ruins the tension of a scene if i as a viewer am unsure of our protagonists chance of survival" to me not knowing makes the scene even more intense because i just dont know what might happen.
Also - thats kind of the point with supes. They're all different and cant be nailed down so these intelligence operatives as part of the boys need to find their secrets and weaknesses
Also why did their powers confuse him? they explained it. Stormfront was super strong because she was the first supe ever made so not all weapons work on her, translucent had carbon skin so bullets can't go through him and the fire dude (I don't remember his name) was just a normal guy that could manipulate fire with his lighter so that's why they could hold him at gun point in the hospital.
i feel like if the supe is not invulnerable, he would just be scared if someone pointed a gun at him. Or at least they would try to make it look like they're not scared, which would create a lot of tension in the scene.
Gotta say, usually when there’s a scene dedicated to women empowerment, movies and tv shows etc all make it feel very forced but the scene in episode 8 was really well done. I mean the boys really couldn’t do anything there and the girls really carried, that’s good writing
@@filipmajewski8382 you can cut that "probably" if you ask me, Frenchie literally said "Girls do get it done huh?" in the same scene so yeah, thats what they where going for^^
I liked Nathan Mitchel as Black Noir. He is pimped out the game. People praise the Camico lady for her face acting and mute stuff, but Nathan. He can't even use his face. And he is the best part of the show. By the way, by season two, Homelander has no fucking charisma. Either Anthony Stargirl is good at being a bad actor, or he is bad at being a good actor. He was the Game of Thrones of the Boys. Good at the beginning, but DOG SHIT at the end.
It's literally the first thing I noticed when I saw the kid for the first time after the trailer. My friend missed it too, I'm surprised so many people missed it. Oh well, still a great show!!
"Girls get it done" beating the absolute shit out of Stormfront > Endgame's “Don't worry, she's got help” scene Also a cool call back to the comic, nice touch.
Endgame scene was super cringe, forced, contrived and made no sense. The chances of all the ladies suddenly showing up at the exact same place on the exact same time without any prompt while a war was going on and no other dude showed up to help is just statistically impossible. Cringe factor aside, you could tell that scene was made simply for cheap girl power points. While in the Boys, this scene made sense from a story and character point. It wasn't contrived, forced nor was it some impossible miracle that Maeve to suddenly be there.
yeah it was a cool callback but part of me is upset because the people who curbstomped stormfront were specifically an american, a british, a frenchman, and a russian taking down germany which is honestly really clever to me
There's a girl hero scene in Infinity War that works better than in Endgame, anyway. It's when Okoye and Black Widow are fighting hand to hand in Wakanda and Scarlet Witch gives them a much needed assist.
Wait didn’t the acid spitting guy kill himself due to his skin not being invulnerable ? So it was established that some supes have different rates of vulnerability like in the case of lamplighter igniting himself but I guess I was watching another show .
or take Mesmer from S1, Butcher just beat him to death with his bare hands. Or take Doppelgänger or Blindspot or Kimiko and her Brother, they can all be injured/killed just like any other normal human, just in Kimikos Case she instantly regens it. So yeah, a pretty bad point on Marcus Part here honestly.
I think that’s the point they’ve been trying to make with experimenting with Compound V, everyone’s body reacts to it differently. You can end up with a Stormfront or Homelander who are basically gods or Mesmer or any of the other D-list heroes that aren’t part of the 7 who can be killed like regular people. That was the whole point of experimenting at Sage Grove, so they can keep testing for invulnerable heroes and weed out the ones that would die instantly.
Yes and there's even tiers of how tough your skin can get, there's Translucent and homelander whose skin are basicall indestructible. Then there's Starlight whose skin can stop a 50. but it can be cut.
Not to mention that characters having different strenghts, power levels and vulnerabilities/weaknesses is how it works in pretty much every super-hero universe ever written. I mean there's plenty of X-men a sniper could take out...and then there's Wolverine. This is not a valid criticism of the show.
Personally for me, the season 2 ending was so hype and intense, that I legitimately was jumping out of my seat. The ending really made the season for me.
My biggest disappointment with S2 was that they didn't use, The Boys Are Back In Town. If they don't use it for S3 then they clearly have no business making shows
They just got to earn the right to use it, right? Like imagine they used the song for the S2 trailer and S2 was actually shit, now that would be terrible.
“...Just wrap up and not necessitate a second season. Because that’s just not how TV works nowadays.” I’m sorry, am I missing something or can someone remind me of the period in time when television wasn’t created with the intention of existing over multiple seasons? If anything, the current era features seasons that are DRASTICALLY reduced and much more succinct. Major dramas used to span multiple seasons of 20+ episodes. I don’t disagree with the rest of the commentary but I was genuinely bewildered by this statement.
yeah there's alot more for the story that needs to be told, anyone can tell after watching the first season, and who refuses more good tv? lmao this guy has some dumb ideas he just popped in my recommendations, I understand his points in the rest of the video but this was straight up nonsense
X-Files had like over 10 seasons and so did a few other tv shows but they were episodic and not serialized. I think many good shows with high concepts don't normally need 10 seasons to tell a really high concept and nuanced story (which is funny because Naruto and Bleach are high concept and fucking had over 10 seasons and were completely terrible most of the time). Sometimes all you need is to tell a great story, give us some meat, and conclude it within 5 seasons or something but many shows have gone beyond 8 seasons and God knows why. There have been shows too that have slowly lost budget over time but keep cranking out more episodes. The Walking dead for example, had a decreased budget between season 2 and season 4. Supernatural had a decreased budget between season 2 and season 5, when it officially ended, and then it got a revival (this ones an exception). I hope The Boys finds its end soon. I'd hate for it to just become a serialized show about generic tropes and blatant corporate marketing.
@@daoyang223 We can't expect that every show follows an episodic formula, that really only works with procedurals with a really basic plot (cops, FBI, doctors) and then relies on its characters, writing, and action to maintain an audience. A show with plots and themes like The Boys could never work on this level, and a longer overall narrative is what keeps people entertained in the story for the small number of episodes each season. I do agree that too many shows continue far past the jumping-the-shark point, and I hope The Boys ends whenever the fuck they want cause I don't predict the writing will ever be bad, but with solid pacing until the very end.
"The comic is a little too edgy for me, and I really don't like when things are just edgy just for the sake of it, and when it happens in comics it makes me cringe more than usual, but I think the TV show has a pretty good balance of edginess." Totally agree - in fact, I agree with almost everything you said in the video, but this part got me. After watching season 1, I picked up the comic and I really wanted to like it, but nope! For me the show has just the right amount of edginess.
I was just disappointed when I found out the show is STILL based on a comic, like Kick-ass.... was really hoping for once someone came up with an original idea and created a show that would MAKE a good comic book. Especially considering the heroes themselves are a parody of Justice League.
Short answer: Yes Obviously it's much slower than season 1, the characters do the same missions a lot of the time, GOT teleporting is there, and the supe invulnerability/writing is questionable, but I liked that it really focused on expanding the world more. In the same way that Castlevania gives equal time to its heroes and villains, the same occurs here. Sure, the stakes could have been higher to ramp up the story, but what we got definitely was enjoyable - ESPECIALLY that last episode.
Why exactly is it obvious that the 2nd season is slower? You can expand the world without it becoming slow. You can flesh out characters without it becoming slow. It often goes hand in hand but it is by no means necessary for a show to get slow to achieve the things you mentioned. I liked S2, but it had problems, there's nothing wrong about acknowleding them.
@@nolimit8787 Usually to expand on characters, you have to give them scenes that may take over scenes of plot progression. For example, if I want a character to show they can cook, I will have a scene of that that may have taken the place of expanding on how the villain is breaking another guy out of prison
@@upg5147 Yes I hear you, but if a scene doesn't progress the plot it doesn't automatically make it a slow scene. And an action scene doesn't automatically make a scene "not slow". There are many shows that don't or barely have any intense action scenes without ever becoming slow.
When you discussed the part where they start planning on killing everyone, you leave out the crucial detail that they know those heroes weaknesses from past experience or information they had received earlier. It's only established that they know how to kill three supes too, it's only Stormfront, A-Train, and Black Noir. They would have to go through the same process that they did for Translucent had they not received that information. The supes are definitely still a very large threat at that point and to me still felt incredibly powerful.
While,Anthony Starr and Karl Urban are the MVPs of the show EVERYONE in the show is perfectly casted and so well written. Stormfront and Black Noir in particular were a huge suprise this season. Also, give the kid who played the son a damn medal. As far as child actors go, he was GREAT. The only thing I was disapointed by tho was how they treated Lamplighter. He was shaping up to be a pretty interesting character and they even hired a very good actor to play him(Iceman ironically) but he's in the show for a total of 30 minutes, if even that
Eric Kripke actually mentioned in an interview that the casting was made after the second season was written and he also really regretted killing off lamp-lighter. Still plenty of potential for them to go the route he did in the comics though but I personally think they're going to use Stormfront for that.
I don’t get why you think the show should only last one season, when the comic storyline is like 65 issues longer, but your annoyed that civil war was shorter than the actual comic book storyline, like make up your mind dude 😂😂
4:59 I actually enjoy it if I am unsure of a character’s survival. I think what you were meant to say is that it is difficult to feel tension if the logic is confusing.
@@spenny2cents i think he just controls fire not emit it from himself. Hence why he carried the torch and later on the lighter. He needs a fire source to control. So his body is just normal and not resistant to it.
There's edgy for the sake of edge and then there's an actually dark and disturbing thing serving plot purposes or making a good point. The airplane scene is arguably the most important thing that happened in the series.
Regarding them holding supes at gun point now, you're forgetting about that classy mensroom meet with Butcher and Mesmer? They're not built equally. The series does have a bit Dragon Ball, "power-levels are bs" syndrome, but it's not that heavy.
What bothers me about Becca escaping from the fake neighborhood with no explanation the most is that in an earlier episode her and Butcher come up with a plan to escape with Ryan from the fake neighborhood and it would have been a nice call back to see her use that plan to escape in the finale.
Honestly, the show is shaping up to be better than the comic by leagues. I like how they’re deconstructing Butcher and Homelander’s worldviews and really bringing that to the forefront. I think Butcher’s arc is likely to be far more interesting than his arc in the comics
I mean in the comics, Billy was a fucking ASSHOLE, hardly a good guy (if you even call the boys that). In the show, he's a person driven by the same reasons as the comic, but he's not a complete dick head. I mean he is, but there's more reasoning behind it. He wants to stay focused. And he actually has heart to heart moments with his team/friends.
@@montoseblack2901 YES! I was not a Billy Butcher fan in the comics, he was a straight arse. I do think that the show hasn’t fully developed Mother’s Milk just yet, he still feels like a side character. I smell bigger things for him in season 3!
Pretty sure Eric Kripke said that they were exploring "toxic masculinity" this season which is most likely why Butcher, Homelander, and The Deep had their arcs play out the way they did
Yeah, the Butcher arc in the comics was not very good. His motivations were never clear and the role Hughie plays in the whole thing is VERY passive (considering that he is arguably the main character).
“It ruins the tension because I as a viewer am unsure of the protagonist’s survival” I guess I understand what your trying to say but that was a weird way to say it nonetheless. I think it’s meant to be vague and you’re not supposed to know what could kill a supe because most of the time the Boys don’t know what can. So them holding guns and shooting them works in the way that it tells the audience “this one can die to bullets” and “this one can get shot”.
Mike Coxlong To me a fight can’t have much tension if you don’t know how powerful each person is. The boys vs Stormfront is super tense because u know the odds are stacked against the boys. If you didn’t know how powerful Stormfront was then it wouldn’t be nearly as tense and you wouldn’t fear for everyone’s life
Aidan Kahlert Aidan Kahlert that’s a fair take but the entire premise of most of the action in the show is fights how the odds are against the boys and the ways they get out of getting absolutely destroyed. The real problem with this season is how they seemed to luck out of most fights without really having to think of any clever ways to win like translucent last season. They just get saved by Maeve blackmailing someone of Edgar calling them off. Marcus addresses this, but idk if he really understands that it’s only natural for the boys to throw everything they have at a supe before coming up with their lightning in a bottle solution. So the shooting them with the gun/ holding them at gunpoint thing isn’t really a problem especially if the supe reacts i.e. lamplighter hesitating when Frenchie pulls a gun on him. That tells both the boys and the audience that they are as vulnerable as a human is. The stormfront fight works the same way. Before then idk if she was ever shot so the audience didn’t know just how powerful she was.
@@marichatismynameandladynoi1990 but why is that a problem? Why the hell wouldnt it be inconsistent, since V gives everyone vastly different Powers anyway. If you ask me it would make make much less sense if everyone had the same powers/powerlevel, not to mention how much more boring that would be
Yea I have to say her potential as a character/villain is gonna make stormfront look like a sidekick. I really didn't have a problem with season 2 but apparently a lot of people did. But the finale was better than anything from season 1. I think people are worried about this show getting the GoT season 8 treatment.
@@rhey81 it was more of a problem with the pacing and what the characters were doing that it wasn't too engaging but overall it was a good season. I think the problem with Stormfront was that "nazi villain" trope is too overdone and boring for a show with a complex villain like Homelander
AT LEAST! I personally loved season 2 much more than season 1, and find myself rewatching for specific moments from that season. To be fair, season 1 is incredible and I rewatch a lot of parts from that too, but to a lesser degree. The action scenes in S2 episodes 3, 6, 7, and 8 are insanely wild and just build on the ridiculous gore of season 1.
Honestly, id give it a 5/10 max... I hated all the blackmailGetOutOfJail cards and they went full circle in the end and have undone almost anything that happened in both seasons. Like everyone knows that starlight is a traitor but shes still in the seven? Thats really crappy writing imo and im not sure if ill watch season 3 again, even though i loved season 1
I think Compound V effects people differently, though similarly sometimes. Ex: Kimiko is strong as agile like Black Noir, but she has super healing even better than his while Noir is just tougher in general
I disagree with the power level stuff. Like the shape shifter guy and mind reader guy weren't invincible. Neither was kimiko brother. I just figured lamplighter wasn't "durable". Was nice that u got that info without exposition and just by Frenchie pointing a gun at him and the context of their shared past and knowledge of eachother.
I don’t get how some people were surprised that Lamplighter burned himself alive. It’s not like he produces the fire directly from his body, he either has his torch or the small lighter. Pretty obvious his ability is to control fire, not produce it or be immune.
@@jasonf7072 Personally, I just think it’s dumb when someone isn’t immune to their own powers, like Lamp Lighter and that one guy with acid spit, both dying to their own powers. Especially for Lamp Lighter, it kind of makes me question how he got on the Seven and considered a top tier hero if his only power was pyrokinesis without at least being fireproof himself, and no other attribute.
@@sharkesharke3973 Well the seven aren't the strongest heroes per se. I just assumed that lamplighter was in because his powers are really flashy and exiting, or marketing needed him to fill some sort of role similar to the deep. If they take deep because of the ocean theme they might also have taken Lamplighter because firepowers polled really well.
@@sharkesharke3973 Ever seen Avatar ? They bend elements but are not immune to them. The deep talks to fish and you’re surprised that someone who can burn people alive is in The Seven ?
My biggest complaint with season 2 is that you don’t feel much urgency or a need to watch every second in the first half. It wasn’t until ep 5 or 6 until I was more hooked and felt more stakes & understood the plot a lot more
He’s saying he’s not even sure if they’re likely to survive or unlikely to survive. If you think they’re unlikely to survive, you’re right, it is good for the tension. But if you don’t know if what they’re doing is dangerous or if it’s mundane, it takes away from the tension.
What I think he's trying to say is that the durability of the supes is seemingly random, so it is weird for the viewer to know if their civilian guns and punches work
@@overtone55 Regarding the random levels of invulnerability, I don’t understand how this confuses people. This is not a new concept in superheroes. Spider-Man is not bullet proof like Superman. In The Boys, characters like Mesmer and Lamplighter wouldn’t be losers if they were just as invulnerable as Translucent or Homelander.
@@overtone55 well keep in mind they had experience with Lamplighter, which is the example that was given, so they probably knew he wasn't super durable.
homelander, butcher, MM, Frenchie, Hughie, and tbh majority of the cast are so damn good and lovable in their own ways. my rising star of the show was MM. the way he protects hughie in situations from butcher or just talking to him was the most human/relatable bits of the show that made the world feel real.
Anthony Starr as Homelander was absolutely phenomenal, and totally carried the show. Honestly kinda felt for him at the end, despite all the atrocities he’s committed. The show is miles better than the comic in almost every way. Though that’s not exactly a high bar to pass. Really looking forward to that upcoming Invincible Series.
Well, hence why it makes such a great show! And they have an end point in mind, since the comic has finished, so they can make whatever changes they want and still have an idea of where to head. Feels kind of like Avatar the last air bender in that way, to me.
The comic is fine for what it is, but it's really just Garth Ennis doing the same "grotesque-rubbing-society's-flaws-in-your-face" thing he did with Preacher, only without Preacher's occasional humanizing moments. The show does a much better job of giving each character real compelling traits.
Travis Himebaugh The Boys comic really is just Garth Ennis being Garth Ennis, and there’s nothing wrong with that at all. The thing with the comic is that every point it tried to make was already done before in prior comics, and almost all of those prior comics did it better. That’s part of why I’m so excited to see how the Invincible Animated Series turns out. Though I do admit, slogging through the comic is worth it for that final arc.
I have almost never been more horrified watching anything than I was when Homelander was angry or intimidating another character. The performance from Anthony Star's eyes alone fills me with terror as Homelander. His character is scarier than some entire horror movies.
Antony Starr and Karl Urban are the best things in this show. Their performances are fantastic In this season in particular though, Aya Cash as Stormfront CRUSHED that role. Where Antony Starr makes me scared of Homelander, Cash made me downright HATE Stormfront. She was amazing
@@Shocknfunk true although captain marvel wasn’t that interesting if a character before the mcu for a hold of her. Much better female marvel characters out there to enjoy. Black widow, any of the X-men women, etc...
We also get more character development, bigger storylines, new and interesting additions like Stormfront, Edgar, Neuman and the church of the collective. I honestly don't understand how some people could say season 1 was better
Come on; Starlight absorbs any amount of electrical energy: she should have been able to absorb Stormfront's power and convert it into a huge light attack against her. This would also have been the perfect moment for Kimino to do what she does in the comic book...
Stormfront's ability is plasma creation and manipulation, not electricity. It just looks like electricity because electricity arcing through air creates a plasma trail, which is what you actually see, say, when lightning strikes or a Jacob's ladder arcs. According to the Amazon profiles on the supes, she does no use electricity, but plasma, so it makes sense. Additionally, it doesn't look like Starlight's power is proportional to the amount of electricity she absorbs, only that she needs it to activate her power, in the way that Lamplighter only needs a little bit of fire to create more.
everything about this season was so good, relatable, and exciting making your eyes glued to the screen. And every single ones storyline is worth it and ties in perfectly together. And i especially love that the deep is treated like a joke like aquaman is lol. But like damn there is a little to much blackmailing and backstabbing.
I love watching your reviews because you make me realise things about shows and movies I never thought about. I think your opinion on media is very well built and I love what you do! Waiting for more videos!
Too be honest, would you be able to see any of most wanted people if you walked the street? I think people put to much thought into this. Most people don’t even know who the top 10 most wanted people are, and this is in a world where Sups doesn’t exists. Now imagine a world with sups, why would you care what a wanted person looked like, the sups will get them anyways.
@@ManUtdBoy13 Still, Vaught has a whole surveillance team monitoring street camera, partnerships with politicians and police. It just would've been nice to see more effort put in that aspect.
Not to mention that A-Train found Hughie and Annie in the finale after like 30 minutes of running around. Because he could have done that to find the boys this entire time, apparently, and just...didn't?
Homelander was definitely the highlight of the show. I love how they make it very clear that he’s entirely invincible, and that if he decided to let loose on the world no one could stop him. That way we’re sometimes rooting for some of the other villains, just so he’s kept under control. However, he’s so well written that sometimes I was rooting for him. Like with his son, I genuinely wanted Homelander to connect with him and be happy, especially since I didn’t care for the mother at all. Great show.
While there are a bigger number of small plot holes and whatnot in the season, I think the plot moved at a much more incredible pace, the whole idea and themes of this season were just so much more gripping and relavent to me compared to the first seasons "hughie wants revenge" I am actually SHOCKED that you felt this season slow. I found the first season boring at times, and I thought this season moved at a break neck pace.
The problem with the heroes powers is not something I find weird, some heroes are stronger than others dude, and only the 7 and some others are really hard to kill.
My take was the bullets did hit stormfront and maybe hurt her a little, but as we saw, she has super healing and a high pain tolerance. The knife to the eye is a vulnerable organ, but it still didnt actually seem to hurt her all that much. She wasnt incapacitated by it if I remember correctly. but yea the first save from maeve was understandable as she probably heard the commotion and wanted to see what was going on. but the second? they shouldve had starlight tell her the plan to rescue homelanders kid and then have her reject it. This way when maeve has a change of heart, she knows where the fight is going down and can show up.
The internal organs of (Physically powerful) supes has been shown repeatedly to not be as powerful as their outsides: Stormfront got her eye pierced by a knife, Black Noir has a fucking nut allergy that wasn't even remotely alleviated by his super strength/durability, Translucent was killed by a bomb exploding inside of him, Popclaw was killed by a heroin overdose despite being strong enough to accidentally blow up her landlord's head,etc.
@@MrJTH1999 I am against the notion that something new can’t be timeless or worthy of GOAT status. I personally don’t agree that Anthony Starr is the best acted villain of all time, but he sure as hell has a good case for it.
Fully agree. Season 1 felt like it was the world vs the boys, with Vought being exposed in S2, there was definitely less tension. Alot more plot armour in S2 also, Stormfront could of easily killed Hughie, Frenchie and MM in the finale but didn't, not sure why. Maeve showed up conviniently like 3 times to save the day? Finale was definitely the best episode of s2 though. S2 also had amazing new characters with Edgar, Neuman, Stormfront etc
Stormfront mentions a few times that she likes to the see the light go out in the eyes of the people she kills, so I assumed she was walking up to them to toy with them before killing them
She likes to see the light go out (she said it twice since her debut), so I can see why she wouldn’t kill them immediately. And Maeve showed up twice, and both times were believable. There were big fights and yelling going on both times, and being a supe in a quiet forest, she could definitely be able to locate where to find them.
I feel like season 1 was a 9/10. While season 2 was more of an 8 out of 10. If the first half of season 2 was better I think it would have been just as good as season 1.
Each of the supes have different levels of abilities and durabilities. This was portrayed well in both scenes. The uniqueness of the boys themselves was that they were creative and maniacal enough to accomplish going up against all the seven. But yes, making an attempt to kill all the supes like that was a suicide run.
the virgin “she’s got help” scene vs the chad “girls get it done” scene
LMAOOOO
yup
Pretty much.
Now.. THAT is how you do the girl power moment
Exactly what I was thinking. Every character in that scene had a reason to be there.
For The Boys Season 3: we need about 80% fewer scenes where everyone is about to die until a character shows some blackmail on a phone
Subliminal Criminal I feel his son will come into play in regards to that!
Jmnicknartin he can’t even pick a doll with his mind he’s so weak lol
@@marichatismynameandladynoi1990 that wasnt teleliknesis man,homelander wanted ryan to incinerate that action figure
@@thighguy4534 some xanax should do the trick
I don't think Homelander will be a threat in s3. The focus will be on Victoria and towards the end something will happen which will change the power dynamic back to Homelander. Atleast that's what I feel.
The actor who plays Frenchie is low key the second best actor on the show
I agree he's great, and I know we all rightfully love Antony Starr but also Karl Urban is just hilarious and underrated, he really should be considered A-list at this point but somehow isn't.
YESSSSSSSSSS🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Most of the actors on the show are actually really good and really underrated.
Id put him below Karl urban but absolutely. I love Frenchie. That scene in season 1 where he tells hughie about his abusive dad then just walks away is one of my favorite
I’m there for homelander an Frenchie
The thing I like about the Characters is, that they aren’t too Cliche badass and edgy. Like when Butcher recruits two badasses in season one, they aren’t mean to the “New guy“ and he doesn’t have to proof himself to get accepted. MM and Frenchie are just genuinely nice to him, while still being effective killers and badasses.
They also don't fetishize butcher, they push butcher's edginess to a point where you clearly realize he's an asshole with emotional issues, but you still kinda root for him.
I agree with what you are saying but stormfront is more cliche edgy. At least more so than any character in season 1.
@@peterbedford449 well, this was explained in the wise crack video of the boys, but stormfront’s edginess is very much a purposeful persona she puts on in order to make herself attractive to people who are disgruntled with society and once she reels them in she feeds them her far right rhetoric as an answer to their grievances. Which, funnily enough, is pretty similar to how people get radicalized on UA-cam.
@@2122Hellfire Ah yeah I don't just mean when she's acting though. I mean the whole secret nazi plotline I found to be pretty cliche. Especially when her true character is revealed and she just becomes out and out evil to all the other sups. She was just very angry evil person at that point. I think a better move from a character standpoint would have been to make her evil but to make her want to gain power or take over the superhero org, instead of turn all of America in to Nazi America. I just found that a bit much. It didn't really fit into one season in terms of time or pacing.
@@peterbedford449 I mean she only really lost her mind at the end when they revealed her to the public, which emotionally made sense cause that meant she was truly screwed. The rest of the time she was doing pretty much the goal of any Nazi, radicalize as many people as possible and hopefully start a fascist revolution. She was approaching this goal pretty intelligently by playing to Homelanders ego and hooking up with him because Homelander has a lot of trust among the American right who are going to be easier to radicalize. She has no real reason to take over vought when she has America’s sweetheart in her pocket.
Anthony Starr was way too good in this show for him to be just a somewhat obscure actor. This man killed it as homelander
He's incredible in Banshee too, highly recommend that
Also Banshee
As a New Zealander like him we were lucky to see him in shows like Outrageous Fortune where he kills it as a pair of twins: one a stoner and the other a lawyer.
Can't wait to see him act in something normal. Like he's just a normal dad with a teenage kid and they're arguing about ice cream. He'll probably be close to perfect, but part of me will still expect lasers from his eyes at any moment.
This is called a “big break”. He’s gonna get alot of attention and opportunities from this show
Antony Starr AKA Homerlander is the best thing of the show, he's so terrifying and I love him, we need more of this man
Seen him first in Banshee and he was awesome in that too!
His resting expression is perfect. You can never tell if he's smiling or plotting to kill to someone.
Terrific actor
Now he's just a puppy on a leash... I will miss the almighty Homelander who could kill anyone and no one would stand up against him. Still, it will be fun to see him dealing with everything now that he's being blackmailed.
It's extra-scary that he's menacing in a... pathetic way? Like a toddler with poor impulse control and fucked-up fixations. He's clingy and gullible and self-absorbed, but in a very vulnerable way, and the entire mix is so volatile it's just... terrifying.
Homelander isn't even Evil Superman to me anymore. He is Homelander. It just so happens he has a similar style of outfit and powers to the man of steel. He is such a fantastic character.
Yea, between him and Omni-man it really seems like the best way to do an "evil Superman" plotline is to not use Superman
in justice league, superman started killing everyone when they brought him back to life. even though it's a shitty movie, it shows what happens when someone with superpowers isn't raised right.
He is great as a kind of an antithesis to superman though. Representing the worst traits of humanity and brought up without the love and care that was afforded to clark kent. He is very much the anti superman. If superman is the best of us, homelander is the wordt of ud
There are Batman fans who want Superman to become Homelander so they can have him as a villain for Batman.
Homelander is like the lovechild of Superman, Captain America and Pagan Min from Far Cry 4
I wanna see Kid Homelander turn into Metro Man from Megamind
Homelander changing his views and becoming a slob and growing a beard and becoming lazy would be funny as hell 😭😭
@@cjhill4130 Nah I wanna see him snap
I want him to have someone that actually loves him. He's evil but he was born in a lab full of mad scientists. He has never experience true love. Give this man someone to love and let him sacrifice himself or some shit I don't know
@@rajadarwish4712 well he is clearly alone in the world
Yes
No one mentions how every second deep is on screen is the funniest shit ever just by him existing
Under appreciated for sure. I did however like how they developed his character in this season, wish he had more screen time though
BARF
momarist idk I think it’s fine to have a more comedic side story going
Garth ennis Has this running theme in his comics about turning completely disgusting characters into comedy relief. And i really love it each and every time!
+spoilers+
Since stormfront came out alive and dismembered i'm kind of hoping some of that for season 3....
@momarist he DID retrieve the footage of what happened in that airplane which saved butcher's life in the end, but yeah i felt that the storyline with him and the church of the collective stuff didn't really pay off this season. Guess we'll see how we progresses in season 3!
I disagree with the whole supe issue. If every supe was like Homelander, there would be no need to fear Homelander or for him to create such awe. Also you forgot Mesmer, a supe in season 1 that Butcher literally beat to death. So that variance of power level, is not new to season 2.
In addition, the various levels of power between the supes is what keeps the show interesting and not just a "hey Kimiko or Starlight, can you go kill Homelander and lets call this a day" type thing. If all the supes on the show on the same or similar level of power, there would be no show, as there would be no threat.
It was an incredibly stupid nit pick he made. Every single comic ever has super hero’s with different durabilities, I didn’t even understand what he was talking about
@@TrueGamer22887 they did do a bad job of establishing different supes individual durabilities. They carry guns around as if half the characters aren't bulletproof
Your point is good, I think Cosmonaut may have been confused by how Stormfront was able to shrug bullets and force but could get a knife in the eye - which I chalk up to a) the eye being a vulnerable part of the body and b) her being extremely weathered post that fight.
Choppss the way you establish vulnerabilities is by seeing what Frenchie tries to do. He's the supe expert, if he tries guns on someone it means guns probably work on them.
i agree, you can't really tell how powerful is Stormfront when she shows up at the beginning but it is established through scenes in the show.
Same with the Torch/Majorette guy, when they meet him in the flashback with Mellory, that guy doesn't look like a Homelander, he is pretty human.
Everyones raving about Antony Starr and while he is phenomenal, Karl Urban as Butcher just gives me Goosebumps that I've never felt before. Bot deserve so much praise for their presence on screen
yes, came here to say the same. such great performances from both
Every actor in this show is amazing in their role. Great casting by the crew.
I loved how butcher had a chance to see a bit of himself on homelander when he realized how his dad fucked him up and the main scientist dude did the same to Homelander. Shitty dads man
Butchers eyes when his wife dies.. thats acting nirvana man
Frenchie is my most favorite character of the show. Homelander comes 2nd.
The Supes are not monolithic. Their power levels and vulnerabilities differ from Supe to Supe. This was true in season 1. Not even Homelander knew Stormfront was bullet proof until he was lasering her chest so variation is obviously a part of this world and not the result of bad writing.
Thats what im saying
Exactly. The durability of supes varies a lot and is not always clear-cut. Like Homelander is damn near invincible, and while Stormfront was able to handle his laser vision, she wasn't really able to handle Ryan's, so clearly she's not as durable as Homelander probably is. It's also clear that some supes come out with rather shitty powers like The Deep, or have little to no super durability like Mesmer who was killed as easily as any normal human being could be.
I agree, though I do wish some of the supes had a better established level of durability.
@@machinelifeform5623 well Homelander really didn't go all out with her. Imo he can control it a bit. Like when he daydreams about lasering the crowd is a lot more powerful than him just taking out some people or using it on her. I don't think any supe including probably himself can take his or Ryans full powered lasers without getting mangled. Stormfront according to the comics is the second most powerful though so she could definitely take more than average
Yeah, that took me out of the review right there. Not sure how he didn’t realize that
Everyone rightfully praises anthony starrs acting, but I never see much praise for Karen Fakuhara. She has to act without speaking once, and her facial acting is fantastic throughout the entire show. Especaily the one scene with Frenchie after the prison stuff
@fiddle wait she plays fucking glimmer?! Had no idea lol
For real. I only knew her from the sucide squad movie where she played Katana aka the quiet asian girl who fights. So not much different of a character at least in season one. But season two she honestly kinda blew me away especially with her facial expressions when she’s talking to her brother
Agreed! Her going from a scared girl to a powerhouse is amazing. Plus she's obviously very beautiful.
jeeri stueo I always forget she's Glimmer
@God Almighty aww, who's an edgy boy? You are! Yes you are!
The Boys S2 was a good movie, just not a good SPIDERMAN movie.
This is a terrible Spider-Man movie... but it’s still better than Amazing Spider-Man 2
@Ravens Fan4 fuck knows
I forget, did The Boys comic even have a Spiderman? I don’t think they did. They had a Batman/Ironman, all the X-men, a Teen Titans-esque group, etc. but I don’t remember a Spiderman
@Ravens Fan4 it just means its a bad adaptation
@@KatieLHall-fy1hw I don't think so. Closest to that was probably Swingwing, but he was a Nightwing parody
Let's all admit that Frenchie and Kimiko had the best relationship. I like Hughie and Starlight but as for development and pacing, Frenchie and Kimiko take the cake. It's just so great and pure. Like he liked her so much that he wanted to learn how to understand her and in the end, she ended up teaching him. ARGH IT'S SO CUTE!!!
Yeah I loved it
I ship them so hard, if they aren't an established couple by the end of season 3 I'm gonna be disappointed
@@Bozopeoples i always thought of it as a daughter father or sister brother kinda thing but whatever floats ur boat pally
@@pixel6854 I mean you're free to take it how you want, but didn't he try to kiss her that one time?
Frenchie and Kimiko are separately two of my favourite characters because of what they do to protect each other and their own backstories/actions in the show. And this is coming from a show thats character writing for its protagonists and antagonists is arguable the main reason it's so beloved by the fans. I would ship the two if Frenchie would grow to stop trying to "save" her and take their relationship at her pace. Admittedly, since she's mute that's hard to know but he seems to be getting better at that after the fail kiss in season 2. I'd be equally happy if they got together or remained friends, and it'll be interesting to see how both of their characters evolve to fit even closer into each others lives.
Best part about this season was probably the social commentary. The American exceptionalism having sex with the white supremacist fascism was great
Couldn't have put it better myself.
Yeah I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the symbolism of their relationship. I also like that Stormfront was kind of a feminist. Too often, shows just have generally woke or generally bigoted characters but here they show that being somewhat progressive in one area doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna have an enlightened perspective on everything. My only complaint from a social commentary perspective is that I dislike how they're building up the CIA as allies in the fight against Vought when Vought's sins seem pretty similar to a lot of the stuff the CIA has done in real life.
@@2122Hellfire Well, I mean, at the end of the day is an american show. They aren't really going to go against the CIA or government in any meaningful way. Use the supes as a metaphor of how power corrupts is one thing because supes are not real, implement the idea that the powers in America are inherently flawed is another.
Said the guy with a Communist shirt, the ideology that killed 100,000,000 people in one century alone and no, I am not defending white supremacists. Come on now guys, try and find him excuses. I am waiting.
@@killer2403 Lmaoooooooooooooo the commie-nism killed a septillion people bro!!!! 😂😂
Your comment is indistinguishable from satire. Poe's Law is a hell of a drug.
If Antony Starr isn’t awarded for his performance we riot
ATTENTION BROTHER!!! I have two very very hot and big UA-camr girlfriends who I show off (I smell like 100 de*d orangutans oh nooo)! Thank you for you attention, dear dude kid rhy
There's been enough riots this year
No justice no peace
His award will be a baby bottle of breast milk
Nick Mattio please no. This show has ruined milk for me
I'm gonna play devil's advocate here: holding Lamplighter at gunpoint makes sense, because it seemed like aside from his fire abilities, he was just a normal human with normal vulnerabilities. Contrast that with Translucent who had unbreakable skin in addition to his invisibility, and Stormfront who was basically Homelander with lightning powers. I never got the impression that ALL the members of the Seven were invulnerable, just certain members.
That being said...yeah, them deciding to just kill all the supes with their weapons was really weird. Like, maybe they would've killed, say, A-Train, the Deep, or even Black Noir (assuming he's not like the comic's version), but there's no way in hell they would've killed Homelander. They've made it very clear since the beginning that Homelander has no known physical weaknesses, which is why up till now, they've always avoided him rather than confronting him directly. So yeah, that's a bit of a huge gaping plot-hole....unless, you know, Butcher and co. are just crazy/suicidal.
That’s how I always understood it. Not every superhero has the same powers. Maybe CVH doesn’t think they illustrate that well in the show? I thought it made sense, but maybe I watch and read too much superhero media 😆
@@KatieLHall-fy1hw Naw I'm with you. I think it made sense
I also agree, even tho it would be near impossible to shoot a-train, I think he would die from a gunshot, and it became a lot easier to kill the seven because Annie was there to tell them what each hero was suffering from and how to defeat them
I mean the way they take out “homelander” in the comic is literally having supes help weaken him and then shooting him, and they always could have tried to just attack the supes, but the plan has always been take down vought not just kill the supes becuase they’ll just make more, until they took Ryan and butcher wanted to help
@@goman3696 naw he wouldn't die from a gunshot because he literally ran through someone which means he has some amount of super durability.
This has always interested me. Can anyone name a single person currently on america's most wanted list without google?
Good point
No but the authorities can, and the boys are not making themselves hard to find.
I've had this question casually in the back of my mind ever since I found out there is a most wanted list and with the exception of Osama Bin Laden for a long time the answer is almost always "no" and I find that utterly fascinating in this day and age
I’m pretty Assta Shakur is on the most wanted list, but I wouldn’t know what she looks like right now.
Regular people wouldn't, im sure vought would have their own "most wanted" list too
I’d have to disagree that the Boys wouldn’t be able to defeat all the Supes. In season 1, there would be no way for them to do it. In season 2, the Boys have had way more interactions with the Seven. They’ve researched their enemies. I especially love how MM is going to use epinephrine to kill A Train, since he has heavy withdrawals and heart issues. It wasn’t out of nowhere. Also, Translucents super powers were literally invincibility, which was limited to him.
I also like how Frenchie said that the weapons they’d use to kill Stormfront was a guesstimate. Kinda like when they made the bullet out of the same stuff Transluscents skin was made from.
Plus now they had Starlight and Kimiko who are also supes
Yeah I think the point was how much damage could we do if we Tried to kill the superheroes not that they would 100% be able to kill all the superheroes
Yeah that point he made was kinda dumb.
What makes him assume that all supes have the same durability or strength
Yes some can be held at gun point but you have to get creative with others that's just basic logic
They had some okay reasoning for a couple of them like you said, but then it gets to the elephant in the room… How do they kill Homelander? At that point in season 2, how would they even have conceived of a way to do that? Even if they murder all of the other ones, even a nuke wouldn’t have been able to do our star-spangled manchild in. Plothole so big it ruined the scene for me lol.
@@ben_that_is_fresh6696 that’s being explored in season 3 though?
The episode when Becca comes back to the lair and everyone is gushing over her is so unbelievably joyful, well worth the slow pacing imo.
why? I thought that was stupid
nomercy8989 it made sense because everything they kinda have been helping billy with was for her 😂 so it’s like wow 🤩 there she is what’s so special
I loved it but I wish we got to know her more, it would have made that scene even more worthwhile
Holly M ikr I said that outloud while watching the ep
@@marichatismynameandladynoi1990 they spent a lot of time on Becca. If you didn't feel like that was enough, that's on you.
i agree the “girl power” agenda is almost always forced in movies and shows, except for the curb stopping storm front, that legitimately felt natural
It felt better but Maeve just showing up out of nowhere was even lesz relalistic than the endgame girl scene...
@@motyovszkimiklos7538 she was at the tower with stormfront when the nazi pics leaked. She probably just followed her to the fight with her super jumps.
@@jonathanlick8513 Agreed, and thar's why it took her more time. Seems legit !
@@jonathanlick8513 I'm sure the show will acknowledge more of her powers in the next season.
Yeah.
Hey everyone in the comments,
You guys are the real heroes.
This comment had me screaming
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No,please...you....you are the real hero
Shut up
"it ruins the tension of a scene if i as a viewer am unsure of our protagonists chance of survival" to me not knowing makes the scene even more intense because i just dont know what might happen.
Definitely agreeing with you on this one, Judge!
Also - thats kind of the point with supes. They're all different and cant be nailed down so these intelligence operatives as part of the boys need to find their secrets and weaknesses
exactly, even in scenes that were calm, I was always scared someones head would just pop.
Also why did their powers confuse him? they explained it. Stormfront was super strong because she was the first supe ever made so not all weapons work on her, translucent had carbon skin so bullets can't go through him and the fire dude (I don't remember his name) was just a normal guy that could manipulate fire with his lighter so that's why they could hold him at gun point in the hospital.
i feel like if the supe is not invulnerable, he would just be scared if someone pointed a gun at him. Or at least they would try to make it look like they're not scared, which would create a lot of tension in the scene.
Gotta say, usually when there’s a scene dedicated to women empowerment, movies and tv shows etc all make it feel very forced but the scene in episode 8 was really well done. I mean the boys really couldn’t do anything there and the girls really carried, that’s good writing
When Queen Maeve showed up, I got chills
Queen Maeve came in clutch in saving Starlight from Black Noir as well.
When queen maeve started getting licks in i couldnt stop smiling.
Probably also meant to be a juxtaposition of the "girls get it done" slogan that Vought was pushing without really believing in it
@@filipmajewski8382 you can cut that "probably" if you ask me, Frenchie literally said "Girls do get it done huh?" in the same scene so yeah, thats what they where going for^^
The comments:
10% about the show
90% about Antony Starr killing it as Homelander
I guess that means the comments are 100% about the show
33% The Boys' Girlpower moment being much better than Endgame
66% Anthony Starr is awesome.
He killed it as Homelander
Justified tbh
I liked Nathan Mitchel as Black Noir. He is pimped out the game. People praise the Camico lady for her face acting and mute stuff, but Nathan. He can't even use his face. And he is the best part of the show. By the way, by season two, Homelander has no fucking charisma. Either Anthony Stargirl is good at being a bad actor, or he is bad at being a good actor. He was the Game of Thrones of the Boys. Good at the beginning, but DOG SHIT at the end.
Remember when Homelander beat his meat off a building? I wish I could forget, but sadly his o-face is burned into my eye sockets
😂😂😂😂😂💔💔
did this once tbf
@@Lapeno456 ???
@@Kev24 did he stutter?
@@Lapeno456 how tall was the building
All season I was just like: HOMELANDER'S SON WAS RECASTED
I'm gonna be honest with you, I didn't even know he was until the shot of the end of S1 showed up in this video.
i think the other actor wasnt good at acting so they just recasted him lol
I got mad at first but when I saw Ryan in season 2 I didn't mind it. The kid is a really good actor.
@@BadrAlrawi He didnt do much though
@@BadrAlrawi he also looks a lot more like homelander imo
holy shit I didn't realize til this video they totally recast Homelander's son for season 2
Haha, you’re right, I didn’t notice it either. Close enough I guess, the kid did a great job!
Katie.L Hall honestly I don’t think he did. His crying at the end seemed awful and took me out of the immersion but that’s just my opinion
Lol omg you’re right
It's literally the first thing I noticed when I saw the kid for the first time after the trailer. My friend missed it too, I'm surprised so many people missed it. Oh well, still a great show!!
Watch my Homelander video brah
"Girls get it done" beating the absolute shit out of Stormfront > Endgame's “Don't worry, she's got help” scene
Also a cool call back to the comic, nice touch.
Endgame scene was super cringe, forced, contrived and made no sense. The chances of all the ladies suddenly showing up at the exact same place on the exact same time without any prompt while a war was going on and no other dude showed up to help is just statistically impossible. Cringe factor aside, you could tell that scene was made simply for cheap girl power points.
While in the Boys, this scene made sense from a story and character point. It wasn't contrived, forced nor was it some impossible miracle that Maeve to suddenly be there.
Yeah we all get it already, he mentioned it in the video
@@pizza6464 Lets not forget the fact that Captain Marvel didn't even need any help in that situation.
yeah it was a cool callback but part of me is upset because the people who curbstomped stormfront were specifically an american, a british, a frenchman, and a russian taking down germany which is honestly really clever to me
There's a girl hero scene in Infinity War that works better than in Endgame, anyway. It's when Okoye and Black Widow are fighting hand to hand in Wakanda and Scarlet Witch gives them a much needed assist.
Wait didn’t the acid spitting guy kill himself due to his skin not being invulnerable ? So it was established that some supes have different rates of vulnerability like in the case of lamplighter igniting himself but I guess I was watching another show .
or take Mesmer from S1, Butcher just beat him to death with his bare hands. Or take Doppelgänger or Blindspot or Kimiko and her Brother, they can all be injured/killed just like any other normal human, just in Kimikos Case she instantly regens it. So yeah, a pretty bad point on Marcus Part here honestly.
I think that’s the point they’ve been trying to make with experimenting with Compound V, everyone’s body reacts to it differently. You can end up with a Stormfront or Homelander who are basically gods or Mesmer or any of the other D-list heroes that aren’t part of the 7 who can be killed like regular people.
That was the whole point of experimenting at Sage Grove, so they can keep testing for invulnerable heroes and weed out the ones that would die instantly.
Being physically tough is an unusual power gained from compound 5.
Yes and there's even tiers of how tough your skin can get, there's Translucent and homelander whose skin are basicall indestructible. Then there's Starlight whose skin can stop a 50. but it can be cut.
Not to mention that characters having different strenghts, power levels and vulnerabilities/weaknesses is how it works in pretty much every super-hero universe ever written. I mean there's plenty of X-men a sniper could take out...and then there's Wolverine. This is not a valid criticism of the show.
Personally for me, the season 2 ending was so hype and intense, that I legitimately was jumping out of my seat. The ending really made the season for me.
clearly you've never made an omelet
The boys in a nutshell:
B: Blackmailing
O: Of
Y: Your
S: Superheroes
Fuck.. The literally true lol
Gossip Girl- Supe Edition
Well, it’ll only work so long as Homelander actually *cares* about his reputation
The second he snaps, shits not gonna be nice
@@Apollo_13_ jacks face really looks like it belongs in The Boys for some reason.
@@juliuspavilovskis4862 "xoxo- the boys"
My biggest disappointment with S2 was that they didn't use, The Boys Are Back In Town. If they don't use it for S3 then they clearly have no business making shows
😂😂😂
for real feel like they're saving it for a fuckin epic scene like when they used the breaking bad theme song for the penultimate ep
I'm honestly just hoping for some more Hardcore music. If they get Cro Mags on and even a John Joseph cameo. That'd be great!
They just got to earn the right to use it, right? Like imagine they used the song for the S2 trailer and S2 was actually shit, now that would be terrible.
They would most likely use it for the season finale
“...Just wrap up and not necessitate a second season. Because that’s just not how TV works nowadays.”
I’m sorry, am I missing something or can someone remind me of the period in time when television wasn’t created with the intention of existing over multiple seasons? If anything, the current era features seasons that are DRASTICALLY reduced and much more succinct. Major dramas used to span multiple seasons of 20+ episodes. I don’t disagree with the rest of the commentary but I was genuinely bewildered by this statement.
Anything pre 1930s as a matter of fact
yeah there's alot more for the story that needs to be told, anyone can tell after watching the first season, and who refuses more good tv? lmao this guy has some dumb ideas he just popped in my recommendations, I understand his points in the rest of the video but this was straight up nonsense
X-Files had like over 10 seasons and so did a few other tv shows but they were episodic and not serialized.
I think many good shows with high concepts don't normally need 10 seasons to tell a really high concept and nuanced story (which is funny because Naruto and Bleach are high concept and fucking had over 10 seasons and were completely terrible most of the time).
Sometimes all you need is to tell a great story, give us some meat, and conclude it within 5 seasons or something but many shows have gone beyond 8 seasons and God knows why. There have been shows too that have slowly lost budget over time but keep cranking out more episodes. The Walking dead for example, had a decreased budget between season 2 and season 4.
Supernatural had a decreased budget between season 2 and season 5, when it officially ended, and then it got a revival (this ones an exception).
I hope The Boys finds its end soon. I'd hate for it to just become a serialized show about generic tropes and blatant corporate marketing.
@@laithharisha1631 yeah I like him but he pulls random shit sometimes
@@daoyang223 We can't expect that every show follows an episodic formula, that really only works with procedurals with a really basic plot (cops, FBI, doctors) and then relies on its characters, writing, and action to maintain an audience. A show with plots and themes like The Boys could never work on this level, and a longer overall narrative is what keeps people entertained in the story for the small number of episodes each season. I do agree that too many shows continue far past the jumping-the-shark point, and I hope The Boys ends whenever the fuck they want cause I don't predict the writing will ever be bad, but with solid pacing until the very end.
"The comic is a little too edgy for me, and I really don't like when things are just edgy just for the sake of it, and when it happens in comics it makes me cringe more than usual, but I think the TV show has a pretty good balance of edginess."
Totally agree - in fact, I agree with almost everything you said in the video, but this part got me. After watching season 1, I picked up the comic and I really wanted to like it, but nope! For me the show has just the right amount of edginess.
I was just disappointed when I found out the show is STILL based on a comic, like Kick-ass.... was really hoping for once someone came up with an original idea and created a show that would MAKE a good comic book.
Especially considering the heroes themselves are a parody of Justice League.
@@nahor88 But its nothing like the comics, theres a reason people praise The Dark Knight, they made something unique based on a cómic source material
@@nahor88 This is a cringe and idiotic take
@@justanotherblackwhitemicke7817 What's with the 'ò' also no it's praised because people don't read the comics.
@@MonkeyDBatman yeah imagine turning over pages from a book
The Boys show is better than the comic, ngl
Honestly yeah, the comics are good but a lot more niche
Nope not at all
i think the comic is ass
Vance Gustavo I love the comic version of homelander’s death.He actually wanted to be a good guy , but was tricked into becoming a psycho.
The comics are edgy just for the sake of it, this show actually tried unlike the comics
Short answer: Yes
Obviously it's much slower than season 1, the characters do the same missions a lot of the time, GOT teleporting is there, and the supe invulnerability/writing is questionable, but I liked that it really focused on expanding the world more. In the same way that Castlevania gives equal time to its heroes and villains, the same occurs here. Sure, the stakes could have been higher to ramp up the story, but what we got definitely was enjoyable - ESPECIALLY that last episode.
Agree. It was very good. Different, but built up the story really well
Agreed
Why exactly is it obvious that the 2nd season is slower? You can expand the world without it becoming slow. You can flesh out characters without it becoming slow. It often goes hand in hand but it is by no means necessary for a show to get slow to achieve the things you mentioned. I liked S2, but it had problems, there's nothing wrong about acknowleding them.
@@nolimit8787 Usually to expand on characters, you have to give them scenes that may take over scenes of plot progression. For example, if I want a character to show they can cook, I will have a scene of that that may have taken the place of expanding on how the villain is breaking another guy out of prison
@@upg5147 Yes I hear you, but if a scene doesn't progress the plot it doesn't automatically make it a slow scene. And an action scene doesn't automatically make a scene "not slow". There are many shows that don't or barely have any intense action scenes without ever becoming slow.
I deadass,no-cap, just watched both seasons in less then 2 days
Same bro
Same dude
watched it in the span of the last 3 days of school
Me in the last 3 days bro
yoooo same
When you discussed the part where they start planning on killing everyone, you leave out the crucial detail that they know those heroes weaknesses from past experience or information they had received earlier. It's only established that they know how to kill three supes too, it's only Stormfront, A-Train, and Black Noir. They would have to go through the same process that they did for Translucent had they not received that information. The supes are definitely still a very large threat at that point and to me still felt incredibly powerful.
For some reason, I always feel the need to read the title as “Da Boiz” like a stereotypical New Yorker.
Well, it's not the Sinister Six
LORDBADASS Same😂
You’re not alone
@@keylakettlemjardim8282 nice
Or like an Ork in 40K
While,Anthony Starr and Karl Urban are the MVPs of the show EVERYONE in the show is perfectly casted and so well written.
Stormfront and Black Noir in particular were a huge suprise this season.
Also, give the kid who played the son a damn medal. As far as child actors go, he was GREAT.
The only thing I was disapointed by tho was how they treated Lamplighter. He was shaping up to be a pretty interesting character and they even hired a very good actor to play him(Iceman ironically) but he's in the show for a total of 30 minutes, if even that
Karl Urban's accent is really terrible.
Eric Kripke actually mentioned in an interview that the casting was made after the second season was written and he also really regretted killing off lamp-lighter. Still plenty of potential for them to go the route he did in the comics though but I personally think they're going to use Stormfront for that.
Luther Blissett
Objectively wrong.
@@lutherblissett8780 Cap
@@legoneb what route would that be?
I don’t get why you think the show should only last one season, when the comic storyline is like 65 issues longer, but your annoyed that civil war was shorter than the actual comic book storyline, like make up your mind dude 😂😂
4:59 I actually enjoy it if I am unsure of a character’s survival. I think what you were meant to say is that it is difficult to feel tension if the logic is confusing.
All the actors bring their A-Game, but Anthony Starr is by far the most compelling. I was genuinely worried he was going to snap!
Oh boi, he already is
@@_neon-xeon_3966 exactly! Its enjoyable to see how close he is to losing it!
translucent was indestructible because he wasnt invisible. His skin turned into a element that didn't reflect light which was virtually indestructible
That doesn’t explain why lamplighter could light himself on fire... lazy writing if you ask me
@@spenny2cents i think he just controls fire not emit it from himself. Hence why he carried the torch and later on the lighter. He needs a fire source to control. So his body is just normal and not resistant to it.
ArtiseLBP yeah, I mean I thought that was obvious but guess some people don’t realise simple things.
@@spenny2cents Lamplighter doesn't touch any of the fire he shoots. It's not difficult to believe.
The fact that people don’t understand that baffles me the acid guy killed his self with his own acid in episode six
The “I guess girls do get it done” scene was incredible and I would watch the whole season again just for that
Everyone is saying Anthony star did an amazing job in his role, which he did, outstanding, but everyone in the show is really good at their role.
Cosmonaut: I don’t like super edgy
Also cosmonaut: the airplane scene is my favorite because of how f***** up it is
There's edgy for the sake of edge and then there's an actually dark and disturbing thing serving plot purposes or making a good point. The airplane scene is arguably the most important thing that happened in the series.
The airplane scene wasn't edgy tho
@@youraveragepasser-by7367 it definitely is
@@davidsakamoto9353 edgy is not the same as dark
Edgy is when something is dark for the sake of being dark where as the airplane scene is dark for the sake of the plot
Regarding them holding supes at gun point now, you're forgetting about that classy mensroom meet with Butcher and Mesmer? They're not built equally. The series does have a bit Dragon Ball, "power-levels are bs" syndrome, but it's not that heavy.
What bothers me about Becca escaping from the fake neighborhood with no explanation the most is that in an earlier episode her and Butcher come up with a plan to escape with Ryan from the fake neighborhood and it would have been a nice call back to see her use that plan to escape in the finale.
When Marcus mentioned Fat Nial tears of joy were shed
Honestly, the show is shaping up to be better than the comic by leagues. I like how they’re deconstructing Butcher and Homelander’s worldviews and really bringing that to the forefront. I think Butcher’s arc is likely to be far more interesting than his arc in the comics
I mean in the comics, Billy was a fucking ASSHOLE, hardly a good guy (if you even call the boys that). In the show, he's a person driven by the same reasons as the comic, but he's not a complete dick head. I mean he is, but there's more reasoning behind it. He wants to stay focused. And he actually has heart to heart moments with his team/friends.
@@montoseblack2901 YES! I was not a Billy Butcher fan in the comics, he was a straight arse. I do think that the show hasn’t fully developed Mother’s Milk just yet, he still feels like a side character. I smell bigger things for him in season 3!
@@KatieLHall-fy1hw im curious to see where they're gonna go. The boys basically broke up.
Pretty sure Eric Kripke said that they were exploring "toxic masculinity" this season which is most likely why Butcher, Homelander, and The Deep had their arcs play out the way they did
Yeah, the Butcher arc in the comics was not very good. His motivations were never clear and the role Hughie plays in the whole thing is VERY passive (considering that he is arguably the main character).
“It ruins the tension because I as a viewer am unsure of the protagonist’s survival” I guess I understand what your trying to say but that was a weird way to say it nonetheless. I think it’s meant to be vague and you’re not supposed to know what could kill a supe because most of the time the Boys don’t know what can. So them holding guns and shooting them works in the way that it tells the audience “this one can die to bullets” and “this one can get shot”.
Mike Coxlong To me a fight can’t have much tension if you don’t know how powerful each person is. The boys vs Stormfront is super tense because u know the odds are stacked against the boys. If you didn’t know how powerful Stormfront was then it wouldn’t be nearly as tense and you wouldn’t fear for everyone’s life
Aidan Kahlert Aidan Kahlert that’s a fair take but the entire premise of most of the action in the show is fights how the odds are against the boys and the ways they get out of getting absolutely destroyed. The real problem with this season is how they seemed to luck out of most fights without really having to think of any clever ways to win like translucent last season. They just get saved by Maeve blackmailing someone of Edgar calling them off. Marcus addresses this, but idk if he really understands that it’s only natural for the boys to throw everything they have at a supe before coming up with their lightning in a bottle solution. So the shooting them with the gun/ holding them at gunpoint thing isn’t really a problem especially if the supe reacts i.e. lamplighter hesitating when Frenchie pulls a gun on him. That tells both the boys and the audience that they are as vulnerable as a human is. The stormfront fight works the same way. Before then idk if she was ever shot so the audience didn’t know just how powerful she was.
Henry Hooper still, I think it’s good to establish the powers before the fight, not during
I think he mans it’s inconsistent as some sups die from guns and others don’t feel a thing
@@marichatismynameandladynoi1990 but why is that a problem? Why the hell wouldnt it be inconsistent, since V gives everyone vastly different Powers anyway. If you ask me it would make make much less sense if everyone had the same powers/powerlevel, not to mention how much more boring that would be
I can’t wait when we see Homelander snap. It’s gonna be glorious when he finally does
My problem is with season 2 is that literally every problem is solved by “ill leak this if you let us go”. Like literally every fight
That final twist in season two was pretty mind blowing...
Because that guys head blew up.
Wow
You took a overdone joke and made it kinda funny
Khif13 funnnyyy lol
Yea I have to say her potential as a character/villain is gonna make stormfront look like a sidekick. I really didn't have a problem with season 2 but apparently a lot of people did. But the finale was better than anything from season 1. I think people are worried about this show getting the GoT season 8 treatment.
@@rhey81 it was more of a problem with the pacing and what the characters were doing that it wasn't too engaging but overall it was a good season. I think the problem with Stormfront was that "nazi villain" trope is too overdone and boring for a show with a complex villain like Homelander
7/10 for season 2 actual doesn't seem legit. 8/10 is spot on.
AT LEAST! I personally loved season 2 much more than season 1, and find myself rewatching for specific moments from that season. To be fair, season 1 is incredible and I rewatch a lot of parts from that too, but to a lesser degree. The action scenes in S2 episodes 3, 6, 7, and 8 are insanely wild and just build on the ridiculous gore of season 1.
Honestly, id give it a 5/10 max... I hated all the blackmailGetOutOfJail cards and they went full circle in the end and have undone almost anything that happened in both seasons. Like everyone knows that starlight is a traitor but shes still in the seven? Thats really crappy writing imo and im not sure if ill watch season 3 again, even though i loved season 1
@@gorgit how was starlight a traitor
I think Compound V effects people differently, though similarly sometimes.
Ex: Kimiko is strong as agile like Black Noir, but she has super healing even better than his while Noir is just tougher in general
Also, Anthony Starr needs to be cast as reverse flash when that movie ever gets made. He's perfect for the role.
I'm salty that they didn't cast him as Albert Wesker in the new resident Evil movies
I disagree with the power level stuff. Like the shape shifter guy and mind reader guy weren't invincible. Neither was kimiko brother. I just figured lamplighter wasn't "durable". Was nice that u got that info without exposition and just by Frenchie pointing a gun at him and the context of their shared past and knowledge of eachother.
I don’t get how some people were surprised that Lamplighter burned himself alive. It’s not like he produces the fire directly from his body, he either has his torch or the small lighter. Pretty obvious his ability is to control fire, not produce it or be immune.
@@jasonf7072
Personally, I just think it’s dumb when someone isn’t immune to their own powers, like Lamp Lighter and that one guy with acid spit, both dying to their own powers. Especially for Lamp Lighter, it kind of makes me question how he got on the Seven and considered a top tier hero if his only power was pyrokinesis without at least being fireproof himself, and no other attribute.
@@sharkesharke3973 Well the seven aren't the strongest heroes per se. I just assumed that lamplighter was in because his powers are really flashy and exiting, or marketing needed him to fill some sort of role similar to the deep. If they take deep because of the ocean theme they might also have taken Lamplighter because firepowers polled really well.
@@elwourmo993
I guess that’s probably true, keep forgetting how business driven everything is with superheroes in the Boys.
@@sharkesharke3973 Ever seen Avatar ? They bend elements but are not immune to them.
The deep talks to fish and you’re surprised that someone who can burn people alive is in The Seven ?
Markus acting like he wasn't crushing on stromfront on twitter
@Chair of Truth And I wouldn't have it any other way
@Chair of Truth she's a literal Nazi in the comics (and also a man), they should've Googled the name.
@@CamJames Also, "stormfront" is a well-known neo-nazi website.
Edam L yeah I assumed most ppl here wouldn't know that
Wouldn’t not knowing the protagonists chances of survival add more tension to a scene?
his point is not when it's confusing i guess but yes I agree.
My biggest complaint with season 2 is that you don’t feel much urgency or a need to watch every second in the first half. It wasn’t until ep 5 or 6 until I was more hooked and felt more stakes & understood the plot a lot more
Answer: Yes
Yeahhh but it’s not lol
@@CaleebTalib yeahhh but it is
Answer: this video, because it's CVH's channel. Which you watched already
It’s good but not as good
Caleb Cox It is good. It’s just not as good as season one.
You being unsure of their chances of survival is GOOD for tension.
He’s saying he’s not even sure if they’re likely to survive or unlikely to survive. If you think they’re unlikely to survive, you’re right, it is good for the tension. But if you don’t know if what they’re doing is dangerous or if it’s mundane, it takes away from the tension.
What I think he's trying to say is that the durability of the supes is seemingly random, so it is weird for the viewer to know if their civilian guns and punches work
@@overtone55 Regarding the random levels of invulnerability, I don’t understand how this confuses people. This is not a new concept in superheroes. Spider-Man is not bullet proof like Superman. In The Boys, characters like Mesmer and Lamplighter wouldn’t be losers if they were just as invulnerable as Translucent or Homelander.
@@overtone55 well keep in mind they had experience with Lamplighter, which is the example that was given, so they probably knew he wasn't super durable.
homelander, butcher, MM, Frenchie, Hughie, and tbh majority of the cast are so damn good and lovable in their own ways. my rising star of the show was MM. the way he protects hughie in situations from butcher or just talking to him was the most human/relatable bits of the show that made the world feel real.
"That's not how TV works nowadays." Or ever.
Anthony Starr as Homelander was absolutely phenomenal, and totally carried the show. Honestly kinda felt for him at the end, despite all the atrocities he’s committed.
The show is miles better than the comic in almost every way. Though that’s not exactly a high bar to pass.
Really looking forward to that upcoming Invincible Series.
Well, hence why it makes such a great show! And they have an end point in mind, since the comic has finished, so they can make whatever changes they want and still have an idea of where to head. Feels kind of like Avatar the last air bender in that way, to me.
The comic is fine for what it is, but it's really just Garth Ennis doing the same "grotesque-rubbing-society's-flaws-in-your-face" thing he did with Preacher, only without Preacher's occasional humanizing moments. The show does a much better job of giving each character real compelling traits.
@@travishimebaugh8381 is Preacher good? I need another comic to read.
Travis Himebaugh
The Boys comic really is just Garth Ennis being Garth Ennis, and there’s nothing wrong with that at all. The thing with the comic is that every point it tried to make was already done before in prior comics, and almost all of those prior comics did it better. That’s part of why I’m so excited to see how the Invincible Animated Series turns out.
Though I do admit, slogging through the comic is worth it for that final arc.
Katie.L Hall
Preacher’s good. But I prefer Hitman a lot more. Mostly for Sixpack.
Everybody asking who's Black Noir but nobody asking how's Black Noir?? (get it, because he's comatose?)
😂😂
WHY is Black Noir!?
Every day now I have to say “diabolical” some how to make my day better
I have almost never been more horrified watching anything than I was when Homelander was angry or intimidating another character. The performance from Anthony Star's eyes alone fills me with terror as Homelander. His character is scarier than some entire horror movies.
Antony Starr and Karl Urban are the best things in this show. Their performances are fantastic
In this season in particular though, Aya Cash as Stormfront CRUSHED that role. Where Antony Starr makes me scared of Homelander, Cash made me downright HATE Stormfront. She was amazing
Starlight is a better version of Captain Marvel. Change my mind.
probs because she is not OP
to be a better version of captain marvel is easy
Not sure there’s a point in comparing them. Hell even mantis in guardians is more interesting then what they did with captain marvel.
@@Shocknfunk true although captain marvel wasn’t that interesting if a character before the mcu for a hold of her. Much better female marvel characters out there to enjoy. Black widow, any of the X-men women, etc...
Lol just started watching the boys, and yes she is wayyyyyy better than captain marvel. This is coming from a marvel fan boy lol.
seasons 2 didn't know what it was doing. compared to season one which was basically flawless. Season 3 seems right back on track though.
Season 2 was way better than Season 1 for me personally,more action and more intense
Agreed
We also get more character development, bigger storylines, new and interesting additions like Stormfront, Edgar, Neuman and the church of the collective. I honestly don't understand how some people could say season 1 was better
In my eyes it’s as good as season 1 but in different ways
Season had more character growth but the writing wasn't as smart. Also the action scenes in the show have always been bad.
You high
I really liked how we got to see more of Butcher's backstory and you see him actually breakdown throughout the season.
Season 2 feels way more thinly spread than season 1. Definitely the inferior season but still full to the brim with absolute gold.
Season 2 was 100% focused on characters.I hope season 3 will be a payoff.
@@ramantarasov715 Well it seems as though season 3 will have some payBACK
The fucking blind guy scene... this show is something glorious.
Imo season 2 was better than 1
Whether you like season 1 or 2, imo both are better than what most shows are on tv now a days.
Come on; Starlight absorbs any amount of electrical energy: she should have been able to absorb Stormfront's power and convert it into a huge light attack against her. This would also have been the perfect moment for Kimino to do what she does in the comic book...
I thought that was going to happen at first
Stormfront's ability is plasma creation and manipulation, not electricity. It just looks like electricity because electricity arcing through air creates a plasma trail, which is what you actually see, say, when lightning strikes or a Jacob's ladder arcs. According to the Amazon profiles on the supes, she does no use electricity, but plasma, so it makes sense. Additionally, it doesn't look like Starlight's power is proportional to the amount of electricity she absorbs, only that she needs it to activate her power, in the way that Lamplighter only needs a little bit of fire to create more.
"Kimono" lol
everything about this season was so good, relatable, and exciting making your eyes glued to the screen. And every single ones storyline is worth it and ties in perfectly together. And i especially love that the deep is treated like a joke like aquaman is lol.
But like damn there is a little to much blackmailing and backstabbing.
The Boys is one of those things that's kinda structured like a long movie, thus a LOT more enjoyable to binge than with a weekly schedule.
When Frenchie said “girls do get it done” I had a nice chuckle
The biggest problem with season 2 is that almost EVERY single conflict ends with one character blackmailing the other character. Lazy writing.
I love watching your reviews because you make me realise things about shows and movies I never thought about. I think your opinion on media is very well built and I love what you do! Waiting for more videos!
The fact that the characters were able to be in public despite being wanted was a huge issue for me too. Loved the finale though.
Too be honest, would you be able to see any of most wanted people if you walked the street? I think people put to much thought into this. Most people don’t even know who the top 10 most wanted people are, and this is in a world where Sups doesn’t exists. Now imagine a world with sups, why would you care what a wanted person looked like, the sups will get them anyways.
@@ManUtdBoy13 Still, Vaught has a whole surveillance team monitoring street camera, partnerships with politicians and police. It just would've been nice to see more effort put in that aspect.
ManUtdBoy13 you wouldn’t know the persons face who killed Biden or Trump?
Not to mention that A-Train found Hughie and Annie in the finale after like 30 minutes of running around. Because he could have done that to find the boys this entire time, apparently, and just...didn't?
@@CloudMountainJuror You don' t understand man. His heart wasn't in it.
Butcher's change of attitude in S2 was the most gratifying thing to see, hopefully he won't turn out as the Butcher in the comics
The show does things different than in the comics, like anything else, so I expect Butcher to end up differently in the show.
Honestly, I hope he does. The Boys always was a pretty terrifying story, and the Butchers transformation would suit that tone perfectly
Homelander was definitely the highlight of the show. I love how they make it very clear that he’s entirely invincible, and that if he decided to let loose on the world no one could stop him. That way we’re sometimes rooting for some of the other villains, just so he’s kept under control. However, he’s so well written that sometimes I was rooting for him. Like with his son, I genuinely wanted Homelander to connect with him and be happy, especially since I didn’t care for the mother at all. Great show.
The plane scene iconic
Homelander and the actor that plays him easily best part of the show
While there are a bigger number of small plot holes and whatnot in the season, I think the plot moved at a much more incredible pace, the whole idea and themes of this season were just so much more gripping and relavent to me compared to the first seasons "hughie wants revenge"
I am actually SHOCKED that you felt this season slow. I found the first season boring at times, and I thought this season moved at a break neck pace.
The problem with the heroes powers is not something I find weird, some heroes are stronger than others dude, and only the 7 and some others are really hard to kill.
and it makes a shit ton of sense considering they're all the result of some crazy experiment with wildly variable outcomes
Exactly
yeah i agree 100% but i’m also confused why they don’t get as scared of the 7 anymore or think they can take them on easily with guns
The finale: Maive just shows up out of nowhere to save the day twice in row and how did a knife hurt stormfront but bullets didn’t?
when i was watching the show like 2 episodes before the finale i thought they were so dumb that they werent aiming for the eyes lol
Because she stubbed her in the eye wich is basically just liquid?
My take was the bullets did hit stormfront and maybe hurt her a little, but as we saw, she has super healing and a high pain tolerance. The knife to the eye is a vulnerable organ, but it still didnt actually seem to hurt her all that much. She wasnt incapacitated by it if I remember correctly.
but yea the first save from maeve was understandable as she probably heard the commotion and wanted to see what was going on. but the second? they shouldve had starlight tell her the plan to rescue homelanders kid and then have her reject it. This way when maeve has a change of heart, she knows where the fight is going down and can show up.
The internal organs of (Physically powerful) supes has been shown repeatedly to not be as powerful as their outsides: Stormfront got her eye pierced by a knife, Black Noir has a fucking nut allergy that wasn't even remotely alleviated by his super strength/durability, Translucent was killed by a bomb exploding inside of him, Popclaw was killed by a heroin overdose despite being strong enough to accidentally blow up her landlord's head,etc.
Bullets can't go through kevlar but a knife can. I'm assuming it's the same principle of force dispersion
"It ruins the tension of a scene if I am unsure of the protagonists' chances of survival."
Jfc, do you proofread this shit at all?
completely on board with the ratings you gave for each season. mirrors my thoughts almost exactly.
Antony Starr just elevates this show to another level, one of the best acted villains in a long time.
all time?
@@MrJTH1999 yes, all time
@@MrJTH1999 I am against the notion that something new can’t be timeless or worthy of GOAT status. I personally don’t agree that Anthony Starr is the best acted villain of all time, but he sure as hell has a good case for it.
Fully agree. Season 1 felt like it was the world vs the boys, with Vought being exposed in S2, there was definitely less tension. Alot more plot armour in S2 also, Stormfront could of easily killed Hughie, Frenchie and MM in the finale but didn't, not sure why. Maeve showed up conviniently like 3 times to save the day?
Finale was definitely the best episode of s2 though. S2 also had amazing new characters with Edgar, Neuman, Stormfront etc
Stormfront likes to toy with her prey... and they actually established that... i think the most annoying part for me was the teleportation thingy
Stormfront likes to play with her prey, so her torturing makes sense.
Stormfront mentions a few times that she likes to the see the light go out in the eyes of the people she kills, so I assumed she was walking up to them to toy with them before killing them
She likes to see the light go out (she said it twice since her debut), so I can see why she wouldn’t kill them immediately. And Maeve showed up twice, and both times were believable. There were big fights and yelling going on both times, and being a supe in a quiet forest, she could definitely be able to locate where to find them.
@Chair of Truth Thats probably because she was a genuine threat she couldnt just pin down and choke like a regular human.
Season 7/10. Finale 9/10.
I can't wait to hear Marcus talk about Herogasm that shit was wild
I feel like season 1 was a 9/10. While season 2 was more of an 8 out of 10. If the first half of season 2 was better I think it would have been just as good as season 1.
True
I’d say season is like a 7.5/10 (I love it but it has major flaws) and season 2 is like a 3.5/10, it’s absolutely atrocious.
When tobey maguire started crying as homelander pissed on Spider-Man 3 really made me happy inside
what
@@yungslyme4341 lmao right
Reference?
I'm assuming you're making this comment because both pieces of media contain multiple villains but The Boys handled it right?
3:03 Zack Snyder Filter
Each of the supes have different levels of abilities and durabilities. This was portrayed well in both scenes. The uniqueness of the boys themselves was that they were creative and maniacal enough to accomplish going up against all the seven. But yes, making an attempt to kill all the supes like that was a suicide run.