It has been very clearly shown that culling badgers does nothing to stop the spread of BTB. And the idea that it only happens when cows sniff badgers is absurd. Deer pass through cow fields and drink from water troughs. But, of course, the far more usual means of transmission is cow to cow, farm to farm.
You can control cow to cow and farm to farm transmission but you can't exactly control wildlife drinking water. They make a good point about shooting foxes and chasing away deers. Can't exactly do that to badgers.
@13gan you've obviously never had much to do with keeping deer off your land, I can tell you it isn't possible without very expensive fencing. It is silly to think that killing these animals is an effective way to prevent them from spreading disease. Also, as much as transmission between farms CAN be prevented, that sadly doesn't mean that it is. Unfortunately there are many farmers who would rather just blame badgers and not bother doing the work necessary to keep it off their farms. Also, it can be vaccinated against, so this is all absurd anyway.
@stuffandnonsense8528 Your argument kinda sound illogical to me simply because you're arguing against eliminating a known vector of a disease. Yes, the farmers could have done a lot more on their side to stop it's spread but that doesn't mean we should allow a reservoir of the disease to walk around unhindered. Perhaps you're not familiar about the law on badgers but you literally can't do anything to them or their nest/burrows/nest and the area near them. This basically means you can't do anything if they're known to exist nearby. So unless you can argue that TB happen spontaneously within cows, I don't think your argument hold much water. A vector of the disease is clearly a factor in the spread of the disease and here you're arguing that farmers shouldn't even attempt to prevent the initial infection of his herd because "it mostly spread between cows". Also, the vaccine only reduced it's spread but it doesn't change the fact that infections happen. The infected cows would still need to be culled because the vaccine (so far only BCG is approved for this purpose) doesn't make a cow immune, it just reduced it's transmissibility. If anything, it makes the disease harder to be noticed and by the time they noticed it, that particular cow would have come in contact with more cows which may have been infected. Still, at least after every farmers vaccinate their herds the arguments for killing badgers would be stronger since it would eliminate your "cow to cow" argument.
@13gan you're mistaken on a number of counts. Let's start with the vaccine. The issue is what impact the disease has on the cattle. No vaccine totally prevents transmission, but it does prevent symptoms and death and that's what we're trying to prevent (we aren't going to eradicate the disease). As to another point, perhaps your main point, the only way to eliminate the wild source of TB would be to totally eradicate all carrier species and there are many. So, unless you are proposing causing the extinction of many species from the British Isles, then there's no point to culls (in fact, culling badgers has been shown to increase pererbation - the king report - and this increases the amint of disease spread). I am well aware of the protected status of badgers, and with good reason. In Britain we like wildlife, we want it to thrive, so we protect it. Let me tell you a little secret known k ly to those of us who work in farming, TB isn't the main reason farmers want to kill badgers, it's because they eat maize. Those buggers love it and they make a right old mess. If you reduce the number of badgers in the area it doesn't do much to stop TB but it does stop a fair bit of damage to fodder maize. Frankly I think we should all just be honest about these things.
@@13gan not sure what happened to my response to this, it seems to have disappeared. It was long so I won't repeat it now, I'll have to come back to it another time.
That's why the badgers are on your land jeremy , your neighbours have chased them onto your sanctuary 😂
My son is 3 miles down road hes got badgers in garden
That is not a badger. That is a fox. It only looks like a badger because it is a mutated fox.
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Your Honor, that badger told me he identifies as a fox and wanted to be treated as such.
Jeremy need his eye brow trim up😂 really enjoy watching 😂
You can get it of people's movements not just wildlife.
It has been very clearly shown that culling badgers does nothing to stop the spread of BTB. And the idea that it only happens when cows sniff badgers is absurd. Deer pass through cow fields and drink from water troughs. But, of course, the far more usual means of transmission is cow to cow, farm to farm.
You can control cow to cow and farm to farm transmission but you can't exactly control wildlife drinking water. They make a good point about shooting foxes and chasing away deers. Can't exactly do that to badgers.
@13gan you've obviously never had much to do with keeping deer off your land, I can tell you it isn't possible without very expensive fencing. It is silly to think that killing these animals is an effective way to prevent them from spreading disease. Also, as much as transmission between farms CAN be prevented, that sadly doesn't mean that it is. Unfortunately there are many farmers who would rather just blame badgers and not bother doing the work necessary to keep it off their farms. Also, it can be vaccinated against, so this is all absurd anyway.
@stuffandnonsense8528 Your argument kinda sound illogical to me simply because you're arguing against eliminating a known vector of a disease. Yes, the farmers could have done a lot more on their side to stop it's spread but that doesn't mean we should allow a reservoir of the disease to walk around unhindered. Perhaps you're not familiar about the law on badgers but you literally can't do anything to them or their nest/burrows/nest and the area near them. This basically means you can't do anything if they're known to exist nearby.
So unless you can argue that TB happen spontaneously within cows, I don't think your argument hold much water. A vector of the disease is clearly a factor in the spread of the disease and here you're arguing that farmers shouldn't even attempt to prevent the initial infection of his herd because "it mostly spread between cows".
Also, the vaccine only reduced it's spread but it doesn't change the fact that infections happen. The infected cows would still need to be culled because the vaccine (so far only BCG is approved for this purpose) doesn't make a cow immune, it just reduced it's transmissibility. If anything, it makes the disease harder to be noticed and by the time they noticed it, that particular cow would have come in contact with more cows which may have been infected. Still, at least after every farmers vaccinate their herds the arguments for killing badgers would be stronger since it would eliminate your "cow to cow" argument.
@13gan you're mistaken on a number of counts. Let's start with the vaccine. The issue is what impact the disease has on the cattle. No vaccine totally prevents transmission, but it does prevent symptoms and death and that's what we're trying to prevent (we aren't going to eradicate the disease). As to another point, perhaps your main point, the only way to eliminate the wild source of TB would be to totally eradicate all carrier species and there are many. So, unless you are proposing causing the extinction of many species from the British Isles, then there's no point to culls (in fact, culling badgers has been shown to increase pererbation - the king report - and this increases the amint of disease spread). I am well aware of the protected status of badgers, and with good reason. In Britain we like wildlife, we want it to thrive, so we protect it. Let me tell you a little secret known k ly to those of us who work in farming, TB isn't the main reason farmers want to kill badgers, it's because they eat maize. Those buggers love it and they make a right old mess. If you reduce the number of badgers in the area it doesn't do much to stop TB but it does stop a fair bit of damage to fodder maize. Frankly I think we should all just be honest about these things.
@@13gan not sure what happened to my response to this, it seems to have disappeared. It was long so I won't repeat it now, I'll have to come back to it another time.
Best thing to have on your farm is a healthy badger set they keep dirty badgers away. People can get tb to, not nice.
People and cars moving from farm to farm are a bigger reason for deseases to spread.
Welcome to farming.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Yet double-damned if you half ass.
Black and white foxes
Poor badgers
Simplistic thinking. Badgers are not the problem. People are.
Hummm, I was looking for this obvious comment..and right on cue up, it popped.
Why does the government think it can make a onetime law and that's it forever?!
Dumb!
Wtf ..get rid of the badgers ffs .wtf is going on .f me .😢
I think Jeremy is asking the cameramen to go away so that he can shoot the badgers when nobody is looking.
Common misunderstanding. Jeremy just wants his crew to have a variety of experiences on their resume.