Thanks for the kind words - and especially about my guitar playing! I didn't start taking solos myself until the 90's, but one of the most gratifying moments in my own shows (for me) are when I do step out of the vocal mic up to stage front, and just let my fingers do the thinking. And to the question about autobiographical, yes, definitely autobiographical. I read the article while I was sitting at my mom's dining table (having had to move back in with her because I was so broke), guitar in hand (because I felt I ought to be playing and writing all the time, to prove her trust in me), and the song began to take shape. I was in my early 20's when I wrote it; I couldn't have written it when I was seventeen years old. It's hard to write about painful things when you're going through them, you know? About the "it wasn't weeks and weeks of recording", heck of course it wasn't! When we cut "Society's Child", I was fourteen years old and we were recording onto one of the first 8-track machines in New York. With "Between the Lines" and "At Seventeen", we had 16 tracks, so they broke down like this: - Bass drum (Barry Lazarowitz on drums) - Toms - Hi hat, cymbals - 2 tracks for the percussionist (vibes, guiro, etc, stereo) - My initial guitar part (played live with the studio band) - My overdubbed guitar part (played later because there were nylon parts I wanted to add) - Upright bass (Richard Davis) - 2 tracks for other guitarist(s) (including David Snider on his first session ever; I wanted a guitarist with that excitement. I actually kicked another "premiere" guitarist off the session because he was so snotty about David being nervous) and Sal deTroia. - 2 tracks for woodwinds/brass (Alan Raph and Phil Bodner, playing a chart I'd written and being extremely helpful about anything that wouldn't work) - 2 tracks for the vocals (that was true of the whole album, so since "17" was a single vocal, I had the luxury of singing it several times, then Brooks Arthur and I picking the best lines. Otherwise it was always punch in punch out.) - 2 tracks for effects - a separate track for vocal reverb, because we used a plate, and another track for everything else. If we had 3 available, there'd be a spare "effects" track. So you see, we only had the 16 tracks to work with. And of course, the brilliance of Brooks Arthur as producer/lead engineer, and Larry Alexander as second engineer. If you listen to the UK audiophile vinyl we released recently in conjunction with Sony UK (not meaning to plug, just information), you can hear the HUGE difference between what was created on 8 or 16 track, and then later what was created by artists (including myself) with 24 tracks, and now, what's done in digital. For my mind, you can't beat vinyl, you can't beat tape, and you can't beat a 2" analog tape reel with 8 or 16 tracks on it. Any more, and you begin losing frequencies, warmth, depth, heart. On that note, with "Breaking Silence" (which is an album I hope you'll look at one day, or even just one song like "Tattoo" or "Some People's Lives", my co-producer/engineer Jeff Balding and I went back to 16 track. A few years later, when we wanted more tracks for another project, we actually "slaved" two 16-track machines together (made them work in sync) so we could keep the 16 track depth. If you (meaning anyone on this thread) has the chance to listen to my own "Working Without a Net", a double disc set composed of unedited live performances recorded directly off the soundboards at shows and onto DAT (and in a couple of cases, minidisc), there's again the startling sense that tape - even DAT, which is digital - is still miles ahead of any kind of recording direct into a computer, no matter what you're using (Pro Tools, DigiDesign etc). It's just... bigger. And of course, there's nothing like live! Anyway, thanks for listening, and again, very much appreciate all the kind words and the analysis being so in depth. Janis Ian
No problem Janis, thanks for the music! Also thanks for the background details really interesting stuff. I agree about recording, digital vs. analogue, I was fortunate enough that even though I was born in the 80's when I was old enough I could jump into my dad's vinyl collection. Playing them when he was out of course, as he didn't trust me with the needle! I used to really enjoy physically 'putting on a record'. It's interesting how with all the digital advancements, tape and vinyl is seemingly impossible to emulate. Somehow with tape, the warmth of the sound can't be properly explained with EQ curves, it's just something you 'feel' when you hear it. Probably why it's so difficult to pin down, 'that sound feels right'! Digital can be unnecessarily harsh, not to mention lose all dynamics when squeezed to boost volumes, just for volumes sake. Also I think due to the lack of recording tracks in the past, on a record you have the essence of a live performance, a moment in time captured. Sometimes those moments can be magical! Thanks again for your comment Janis, I'll pin it at the top so everyone can read your fascinating insights!
Wow Janis Ian! I was @ work when she posted this, so wonderful of her to comment and praise Fil for his wonderful analysis.... God Bless you Janis Ian! Rock on! \M/
And Thank *YOU* Janis. Your words and music will live forever in the hearts of those fortunate enough to have taken the time to listen. I noticed you write Science Fiction? I love it: Asimov, Clarke, Pournelle, Niven, Heinlein. Also read Mike Resnick's short "Mwalimu in the Squared Circle" and the "Future Earths:" anthologies... looking forward to reading yours and more in the future.
At Seventeen is one of the most poignant songs I've ever heard. Probably because it's so relatable to those of us who went through those years not being on the football team or the cheerleading squad and were seemingly on the outside looking in.
I was a shy and awkward teenager when I first heard this song being performed on TV. I was so touched by the utter truthfulness. I'm not surprised Janis won a Grammy and that it was so popular. I imagine that the majority of people could relate to the song regardless of their social status. Most everyone has doubts and insecurities about being liked and loved for themselves. Thank you Janis.
+Janis Ian OH MY GOD!!! I can't believe you responded to this thread. I grew up with your music and have always wondered about you. This song was so immensely powerful that it still holds up with the same emotional intensity today than it did "back in the day." I am so glad you left your comments here (thanks to Wings of Pegasus), and just know that there is one fan out there who recognizes you for the musical genius you are. Your words and music voiced and influenced an entire generation, and this song will remain a classic until time passes away. God bless.
I was 13 when I heard this, it really touched me because I felt like an ugly duckling anyway and thought id never fit in. Janis has such a gift, love her voice💗
Janis, every time I hear at 17, I think of my dad. He passed 30 years ago (I was 23). He was a tough nut to crack, but when your song came on the radio, he told me how much he liked it. Whenever I hear it, I get a bit teary eyed ♥️
"Between The Lines" is just a jaw-droppingly good album, first track to last. For those who only know "At Seventeen", do yourself a favour and take a long, warm bath in the album.
Indeed, it is a marvellous album. Other highlights from that album are "From me to you", "In the winter", "Water colors", "The come on" and "Lover's lullaby". For me, "Between the lines" is on a similar level as "Tapestry" (Carole King), What's going on (Marvin Gaye), Young, gifted and black (Aretha), Harvest (Neil Young), Songs in the key of life (Stevie) and Rumours (Fleetwood Mac). Those wonderful seventies....
Yes! Her performance is one of my favorite videos. What talent, and very touching. Love the Bossa Nova feel she has on the guitar. I also love how she delays some vocal lines or sings over the bar and messes with the timing intentionally, very jazzy,
We attended Janis' concert in Akron, OH (front row) a couple of weeks ago. She was delightful. Her musical ability and story telling is second to none. She was exceptionally funny and can really play guitar. Thanks Fil, for all the great videos.
I was 14 when this song came out. Janis and this song in particular, evoked such deep emotions within me at the time that I was a shy, insecure teenager. I could relate to her pain which she articulated so beautifully. Thank you Janis xxx
So, happy for this review. My friends and I, as seniors in high school, had three albums in constant rotation: "Tapestry" by Carole King, "Society's Child" by Janis Ian, and "Road Food" by The Guess Who. We were thrilled to see her in concert at the University of Illinois with Tom Chapin (both wonderful storytellers). She was amazing; her voice so sweet and pure. I still remember that concert with great fondness.
@Gribble Dribble Thank you. I am kind of shocked when I look at it now (I never got to see them in those days, always on the road or the show was live!). Wish I'd understood how pretty I was. But those kind of looks weren't "in" at the time, either.
Fil, your analysis is spot on. The 70's was the golden era for songwriting. Janis Ian was a symbol of one of the greatest songwriters in that decade. Very underrated artist.
She has such a beautiful voice. It's so nice to hear the voices of the past. The one thing about getting old is you forget some of the great things that happen in life. Thank you for helping me remember some of those things. Great stuff.
It blows my mind how much insight you have. What a treat. Janice Ian. Singer songwriters were sprouting all over the place at that time. It was a time of discovery. A lot of firsts. You would go see her at a more intimate venue. She had a sensitive quality to her voice.
What a fantastic singer-songwriter. Very interesting chord structures and transitions you don't normally hear...you just *know* she's gonna go here, but nope...way over there. Clever stuff. Influential. Although her songs take me back to a specific time in my life...the songs themselves are timeless.
One of my favorite lines from this song is "We all played the game we can't recall..." Yes, people don't always remember the pain they caused and yet they did. If you don't speak up, then you have to let it go.
I saw this episode live, fantastic song, beautifully performed - what a great blast from the past - the depth of those lyrics, ie. "ugly duckling girls like me" and " whispering vague obscenities" Very sad - keep up your great work Fil : )
I was 15 She absolutely change my view of everything with this song. This song and she is absolutely legendary and brilliant..Thank you so much for this ....
Thank you for highlighting an incredible artist! I first heard this song on VH1 Classic when I was in high school (like thirty years after the song was released!) and was just blown away.
Throughly enjoyed your insights. As i have always loved Janis and her concert in Sydney (I think the Regent theatre, sadly gone now.) was an outstounding experience and I still remember her on stage as a wonderful artist and so gracious in her acknowledgement of all musicians supporting her. Yeah Janice ! Thank you.
Hi Fil...Wow! Glad I saw this, and saw her comments! I remember how I felt when I heard this song...I felt I was that ugly duckling, and Janis wrote about how I was feeling...it was one of those songs that spoke to me...felt the pain. Hard to admit that I felt so ugly...this song sure had my life in the words. Thanks Janis for putting into words what I felt! ✌️
Trivia: Janice was pals with Laura Nyro at the Manhattan High School of Art and Music for gifted kids in the early 1960's (not the Fame school). Elliott Randall (Steely Dan) was also there and a pal of Nyro's. You can see Leonard Bernstein review 'Society's Child' with Janice as a mid-teen on UA-cam. Elliott Randall played the guitar solo on the Irene Cara track 'Fame'. He was doing session work while still in high school. Sorry, I find rock connections fascinating.
Lupco, I think for most of us who "came up" in the 60's/early 70's, it's always just a couple of degrees of separation. There weren't many airports, very few hotels would take us, we always ran into each other after gigs, club hopping, and a lot of us went to the same schools (or in my case, were thrown out of them).
@@janisianchannel Wow, Hi Janis, and thank you so much for your reply. And its my birthday today 17th March, so you have made my day! Its great to know that so many of you guys were friends. As an Australian, I was also thrilled to discover your collaboration with Tommy Emmanuel a few years ago. All the best. Cheers.
as a boy growing up in The Bronx in the 60's fell in love with the voice and her songs. make me glad there are people like you Fil thanks for keeping the music going.
My parents took me to see Janis for my first concert in the 70s. It’s come full circle, as she’s doing her last tour right now. My sister and I went. It sounds like you know a lot about her. I believe she plays 7 instruments. Amazing lady, and she can STILL hit every note. Her voice is nearly flawless “At 70!” And if you’ve never seen her, you wouldn’t believe how funny she is. At Seventeen, in my opinion, pales compared to other tracks in the Between the Lines album. Still, a wonderful song, and so many could and can relate to the feelings it portrays. Thanks for covering her.
It’s like that song was written for me. So many things to say about this. It’s pretty cool to see a young’n recognize talented people from all eras. There’s a panoply of incredible players nobody will ever hear of. Thanks for bringing them back
I was 22 living overseas when I fell in love with the song... at that time I couldn't understand all the lyrics but the music and the voice more than made up for it. Later I moved to the US and I was able to appreciate all of it, to this day it makes tears well up in my eyes! Thank you so much Janis!
I'm am rewatching this and decided to see who was also nominated for Female Pop in 1975. Janice was up against Judy Collins (Send in the Clowns), Olivia Newton-John (Have you Ever Been Mellowed, Linda Rondstadt (Heart like a Wheel) and Helen Reddy (Ain't No way to Treat a Lady). That's some rough competition! What a great year for music!
Hey there Fil and Janis Ian, thank you to both of you for such in-depth discussion about your songs, Janis, WE love you. I was peddling "Married in London" back in 2010 to anyone who would listen. And for the record, there is NOTHING like vinyl or reel to reel. The quality of sound, the warmth and the depth cannot be 'bought' digitally! Glad to hear Janis, that you've innovated 16 x 16 track tapes, I am looking forward to hearing this sound. You both are such class acts.
went to see her live in Dublin. brilliant.we were up the front and between songs she approached my daughter jessica who was 7 at the time,and the youngest person at the gig,and asked her what song would she like her to play for her. of course she said jesse,which is how she got her name.a very memorable experience. excellent live
Thank you, Fil, for highlighting this wonderful singer/songwriter who deserved to win that grammy! She captured my feelings and insecurities when I was 17. I'm getting into your videos so much, seeing my beloved artists in a new light. Your analyses are so intelligent and knowledgeable, with such intensive research. I am impressed every time.
Thrilled to see Janis featured here so lovingly and respectfully on Fil's most excellent channel. We wore out Janis' first record, "Society's Child" on our first record player. We didn't realize that we are two years older than she is. We have been writing, recording, and performing our music our whole lives too. We purchased Janis's new album today and bought Society's Child as well. Her voice has served her so well... a young person's voice; ageless really. Her voice soars so high and clear. We've fallen in love with her all over again after fifty years. Best Wishes Janis & well done Fil ⭐Jay & Robin Tremaine
Oh Fil, how seriously cool that Janis Ian wrote to you... This is possibly the most devastating and relatable song I've heard that still keeps speaking to me over the years. The vulnerable words mixed with such a sophisticated musical undercurrent perfectly conveys the power of open wounds we can still carry into adulthood. Haunting. The healing process is hard, but so worth stepping into greater truth. Music is so important. Good stuff.
What a beautiful song this is! Remember listening to this when I was teenager! Her voice accompanied with her guitar is just priceless! I was driving along coast with my wife so long ago with this song playing on the radio...amazing memories! Brilliant Fil! Cheers Mario!😀👌🤘
Thanks again, Fil! This is a great song and something that I don't remember ever hearing growing up in the 70's, which is really too bad. I really appreciate your attention to this classic older music, it really is such a great service.
From what I've read, Janis is the definition of a prodigy. She's another artist I was bowled over by as a child of probably 10 or 11. I distinctly recall the time my babysitter played her Janis Ian record one night while my parents were away. Of course, I was just a kid and I had little experience in the world - and didn't understand all the lyrics. But I could feel her truth flowing into me with every note and beat of that song - and it touched me deeply. It's almost as if the Universe compelled her to create this beautiful song. ❤️
OGWT is just fantastic and you found Janis Ian too. At 17 fucking killed me as a teenager. A beautiful song but horrific too. I thought i was ugly until I was 19 then realized I was probably not monstrous! The song captures everything that insecure in a youngster. Another great post from you sir.
Thanks, Fil! Wonderful analysis of a song that always hit me in the gut! 68 is SO much better than 17! I follow her Facebook page and enjoy her sense of humor as well! Thank-you for pointing out the Samba like feel and chord progressions!
Great commentary and how wonderful that Janis, herself responded to your video. I bought her BETWEEN THE LINES album when it came out and fell in love with every word and every note of every song. Later I bought the songbook (I still have it!) and learned to play them on an Espana Classical guitar my mother had given me. Janis Ian's music is ever poignant and significant.
A great analysis, Fil!! I love that you give a history of the person. This song brought back many memories. Haven't heard it in such a long time. She is such a gifted musician with an effortless voice!!
Again Phill, very well done, analyzed and said, the only way, unique way only you can do. I like the way that you never say anything negative on artist, musician or singer, no matter how well they did in their careers. It takes a lot of guts to write a song, create it with rhythm, add your own lead, write the lyrics, and sing it- perform it in front of an audience no matter how small. As always keep up your good work . The Artists I’m sure will always appreciate your comments!
A very cool song that was one of a kind in style, super smooth , when one remembers a song decades later...that means that it must be special and this was a very special song!
Thanks for such an amazingly informative explanation of this wonderful tune and background aspects of the life of Janis. I also had the complete bonus of being able to read the extensive comments left by Janis herself. Such a great song, such a great artist, such a great review. Thank you so much.
Was surprised and happy to see you do this classic. Talk about a story and an outstanding delivery; one of my very favorites. You can't help but listen to the whole thing all the way through. Don't drink a beer while listening to this, you' ll wind up with a tear in your eye. Wonderful artist.
Beautiful Janis! One of my favorite artists of all time. 'Society's Child' also a masterpiece. When I was 14 I listened to it constantly. That and Left Banke's 'Pretty Ballerina'. Thanks fil I just love all your music reviews!
What an amazing performance. Such a sweet, smooth voice. I could listen to this song all day. Thank you, Fil for bringing music of so many genres to the forefront of your channel. It has introduced so many new songs and artists to me. Have you ever done a Barney Kessel video? I would love to see you break down one of his performances.
But we did have dances, and I saw it on "to Sir with love" thanks Fil, another great analysis, cheers mate. And Janis, wow , she's a gem. A trailblazer. 💖💖
I am absolutely thrilled to see she is getting the recognition. I saw at NCSU in 1975. It was in the theatre. She was incredible. It was a small intimate setting. Just perfect for her and this type of music.
So thrilled you did this video from Janis. Ironically had posted on my FB yesterday n several of us discussed identifying w her poignant lyrics as well as the pain in her voice. Truly you are the best. Love all the coloring of background stories n history of artists. I have this album too. Thank you FIL again.
one of my all time most powerful songs I remember. Janis Ian also Never got her due, ironic she turned out so beautiful,what a one of a kind voice I remember that song in 76 overwhelming me with sadness
The most beautiful song ever! Thanks, Fil, for taking us back. Janis, if you read this, every 17 year old girl I knew could relate to this. It still brings tears to my eyes today. Thank you.
Phil my man. Shout out from New Hampshire, U.S. I really love watching you appreciating the music, some recorded before you were born. You have good taste man. Peace out ✌️ from Steve in New Hampshire.
Thanks Fil...I have been a huge fan since I was a teenager in the 1960's. She reaches you with interesting lyrics, melodies and still comes up with new hooks in her songs. Wish you could review "Welcome to Acousticville" but this was very satisfying . I hope this spurs many of your fans to listen to more of her music. She has a voice that needs to be heard.
Nice reaction analysis Fil! Janis was always a great lyricist, and performer, so deep. Her voice is spectacular too. It's so nice to see she responded to you.
Fil I HUGEly enjoy your talks and analyses of pieces of music and the musicians, I'm really awed by how much you know, and even more, your sensitivity and depth. I also like how you never put anybody down. Also I love that English accent, I've been working at it myself. I recall t age 24 - landing in England and feeling I'd come home. It felt more familiar than my USA ever did. Again, love your show and watching you.
Fil, you never fail to impress. Your React opened my eyes to what I had never considered before, her guitar playing. Thank you for expanding on her talent! Keep doing what you do and I’ll keep appreciating every bit of it, Gracias Amigo!…. SanJoséBob
Fil, I am not a guitar player but I am FASCINATED by your reviews from the perspectives which you offer. I like your look, I like your compassion, I like your insight...........WINGS OF PEGASUS GROWING ALL OVER ME. Keep up the reviews Fil, great work. Find myself watching your channel more than the others.
FIL THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO. YOU DO A GREAT JOB. LOVE WHAT YOU DO. KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO. PEACE AND LOVE .JANIS HAS A BEAUTIFUL VOICE AND ALOT OF TALENT
Thanks for the kind words - and especially about my guitar playing! I didn't start taking solos myself until the 90's, but one of the most gratifying moments in my own shows (for me) are when I do step out of the vocal mic up to stage front, and just let my fingers do the thinking.
And to the question about autobiographical, yes, definitely autobiographical. I read the article while I was sitting at my mom's dining table (having had to move back in with her because I was so broke), guitar in hand (because I felt I ought to be playing and writing all the time, to prove her trust in me), and the song began to take shape.
I was in my early 20's when I wrote it; I couldn't have written it when I was seventeen years old. It's hard to write about painful things when you're going through them, you know?
About the "it wasn't weeks and weeks of recording", heck of course it wasn't! When we cut "Society's Child", I was fourteen years old and we were recording onto one of the first 8-track machines in New York. With "Between the Lines" and "At Seventeen", we had 16 tracks, so they broke down like this:
- Bass drum (Barry Lazarowitz on drums)
- Toms
- Hi hat, cymbals
- 2 tracks for the percussionist (vibes, guiro, etc, stereo)
- My initial guitar part (played live with the studio band)
- My overdubbed guitar part (played later because there were nylon parts I wanted to add)
- Upright bass (Richard Davis)
- 2 tracks for other guitarist(s) (including David Snider on his first session ever; I wanted a guitarist with that excitement. I actually kicked another "premiere" guitarist off the session because he was so snotty about David being nervous) and Sal deTroia.
- 2 tracks for woodwinds/brass (Alan Raph and Phil Bodner, playing a chart I'd written and being extremely helpful about anything that wouldn't work)
- 2 tracks for the vocals (that was true of the whole album, so since "17" was a single vocal, I had the luxury of singing it several times, then Brooks Arthur and I picking the best lines. Otherwise it was always punch in punch out.)
- 2 tracks for effects - a separate track for vocal reverb, because we used a plate, and another track for everything else. If we had 3 available, there'd be a spare "effects" track.
So you see, we only had the 16 tracks to work with. And of course, the brilliance of Brooks Arthur as producer/lead engineer, and Larry Alexander as second engineer.
If you listen to the UK audiophile vinyl we released recently in conjunction with Sony UK (not meaning to plug, just information), you can hear the HUGE difference between what was created on 8 or 16 track, and then later what was created by artists (including myself) with 24 tracks, and now, what's done in digital. For my mind, you can't beat vinyl, you can't beat tape, and you can't beat a 2" analog tape reel with 8 or 16 tracks on it. Any more, and you begin losing frequencies, warmth, depth, heart.
On that note, with "Breaking Silence" (which is an album I hope you'll look at one day, or even just one song like "Tattoo" or "Some People's Lives", my co-producer/engineer Jeff Balding and I went back to 16 track. A few years later, when we wanted more tracks for another project, we actually "slaved" two 16-track machines together (made them work in sync) so we could keep the 16 track depth.
If you (meaning anyone on this thread) has the chance to listen to my own "Working Without a Net", a double disc set composed of unedited live performances recorded directly off the soundboards at shows and onto DAT (and in a couple of cases, minidisc), there's again the startling sense that tape - even DAT, which is digital - is still miles ahead of any kind of recording direct into a computer, no matter what you're using (Pro Tools, DigiDesign etc). It's just... bigger. And of course, there's nothing like live!
Anyway, thanks for listening, and again, very much appreciate all the kind words and the analysis being so in depth.
Janis Ian
BRINGS BACK so many great memories .. loved you and the song. BLESS YOU
No problem Janis, thanks for the music! Also thanks for the background details really interesting stuff. I agree about recording, digital vs. analogue, I was fortunate enough that even though I was born in the 80's when I was old enough I could jump into my dad's vinyl collection. Playing them when he was out of course, as he didn't trust me with the needle! I used to really enjoy physically 'putting on a record'.
It's interesting how with all the digital advancements, tape and vinyl is seemingly impossible to emulate. Somehow with tape, the warmth of the sound can't be properly explained with EQ curves, it's just something you 'feel' when you hear it. Probably why it's so difficult to pin down, 'that sound feels right'! Digital can be unnecessarily harsh, not to mention lose all dynamics when squeezed to boost volumes, just for volumes sake. Also I think due to the lack of recording tracks in the past, on a record you have the essence of a live performance, a moment in time captured. Sometimes those moments can be magical!
Thanks again for your comment Janis, I'll pin it at the top so everyone can read your fascinating insights!
Wow Janis Ian! I was @ work when she posted this, so wonderful of her to comment and praise Fil for his wonderful analysis.... God Bless you Janis Ian! Rock on! \M/
And Thank *YOU* Janis. Your words and music will live forever in the hearts of those fortunate enough to have taken the time to listen. I noticed you write Science Fiction? I love it: Asimov, Clarke, Pournelle, Niven, Heinlein. Also read Mike Resnick's short "Mwalimu in the Squared Circle" and the "Future Earths:" anthologies... looking forward to reading yours and more in the future.
@@wingsofpegasus Wow! Janis Ian!! That's amazing!
At Seventeen is one of the most poignant songs I've ever heard. Probably because it's so relatable to those of us who went through those years not being on the football team or the cheerleading squad and were seemingly on the outside looking in.
At 13 I was 5'2" and 85 lbs. By the time I graduated I had grown to 6' tall and 165 lbs. This song was very relatable.
I was a shy and awkward teenager when I first heard this song being performed on TV. I was so touched by the utter truthfulness. I'm not surprised Janis won a Grammy and that it was so popular. I imagine that the majority of people could relate to the song regardless of their social status. Most everyone has doubts and insecurities about being liked and loved for themselves. Thank you Janis.
OMG. Janis Ian!! You're spoiling us Fil. Bless you. Bless Janis. 😁 Emily Liberty
+Janis Ian
OH MY GOD!!! I can't believe you responded to this thread. I grew up with your music and have always wondered about you. This song was so immensely powerful that it still holds up with the same emotional intensity today than it did "back in the day." I am so glad you left your comments here (thanks to Wings of Pegasus), and just know that there is one fan out there who recognizes you for the musical genius you are. Your words and music voiced and influenced an entire generation, and this song will remain a classic until time passes away. God bless.
"...on the phone, "come dance with me", while murmur vague obscenities.." what a way to express this tender emotion. Moving.
I was 13 when I heard this, it really touched me because I felt like an ugly duckling anyway and thought id never fit in. Janis has such a gift, love her voice💗
I was 14 in 1976. I felt exactly the same way.
Janis, every time I hear at 17, I think of my dad. He passed 30 years ago (I was 23). He was a tough nut to crack, but when your song came on the radio, he told me how much he liked it. Whenever I hear it, I get a bit teary eyed ♥️
Well done Fil!
Thank you for honoring the great Janis Ian!
Peace. JR
Music + Poetry = Janis Ian. Tune holds up unbelievably well.
A genuinely moving performance, so haunting, heartbreaking and beautiful all at the same time.
"Between The Lines" is just a jaw-droppingly good album, first track to last. For those who only know "At Seventeen", do yourself a favour and take a long, warm bath in the album.
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Indeed, it is a marvellous album. Other highlights from that album are "From me to you", "In the winter", "Water colors", "The come on" and "Lover's lullaby".
For me, "Between the lines" is on a similar level as "Tapestry" (Carole King), What's going on (Marvin Gaye), Young, gifted and black (Aretha), Harvest (Neil Young), Songs in the key of life (Stevie) and Rumours (Fleetwood Mac). Those wonderful seventies....
Several of her later albums are equally as good. Billie's Bones is, for my money, the equal of Between The Lines.
Yes! Her performance is one of my favorite videos. What talent, and very touching. Love the Bossa Nova feel she has on the guitar. I also love how she delays some vocal lines or sings over the bar and messes with the timing intentionally, very jazzy,
We attended Janis' concert in Akron, OH (front row) a couple of weeks ago. She was delightful. Her musical ability and story telling is second to none. She was exceptionally funny and can really play guitar.
Thanks Fil, for all the great videos.
Cool! No problem!
I was 14 when this song came out. Janis and this song in particular, evoked such deep emotions within me at the time that I was a shy, insecure teenager. I could relate to her pain which she articulated so beautifully. Thank you Janis xxx
So, happy for this review. My friends and I, as seniors in high school, had three albums in constant rotation: "Tapestry" by Carole King, "Society's Child" by Janis Ian, and "Road Food" by The Guess Who. We were thrilled to see her in concert at the University of Illinois with Tom Chapin (both wonderful storytellers). She was amazing; her voice so sweet and pure. I still remember that concert with great fondness.
And Janis has such a pretty face. Love this song. She was so relatable. I felt she was singing to me.
A pretty face? Maybe she's grown into it, but we didn't think so at the time; isn't that the point of the song?
Total babe.😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Thank you Sara. That's the kindest compliment I could ask for.
@Gribble Dribble Thank you. I am kind of shocked when I look at it now (I never got to see them in those days, always on the road or the show was live!). Wish I'd understood how pretty I was. But those kind of looks weren't "in" at the time, either.
@@janisianchannel how do you feel about the bill Cosby controversy, seeing as you had your issues with him too?
Oh Hell I love her😢💖This song makes my heart hurt and the tears flow.I feel the pain. Another singer songwriter. Great story teller.💖
This is just breathtaking. Perfect balance of words, tone and atmosphere. Love the subtle flair of the guitar.
Fil, your analysis is spot on. The 70's was the golden era for songwriting. Janis Ian was a symbol of one of the greatest songwriters in that decade. Very underrated artist.
Jesus, I almost forgot this kind of story/message had a chance in popular music. What talent. Thanks Janis.
She has such a beautiful voice. It's so nice to hear the voices of the past. The one thing about getting old is you forget some of the great things that happen in life. Thank you for helping me remember some of those things. Great stuff.
It blows my mind how much insight you have. What a treat. Janice Ian. Singer songwriters were sprouting all over the place at that time. It was a time of discovery. A lot of firsts. You would go see her at a more intimate venue. She had a sensitive quality to her voice.
What a fantastic singer-songwriter. Very interesting chord structures and transitions you don't normally hear...you just *know* she's gonna go here, but nope...way over there. Clever stuff. Influential. Although her songs take me back to a specific time in my life...the songs themselves are timeless.
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Love Janis “ ❤️❤️
"when payment due exceeds accounts received.. at seventeen"
Brilliant line -- poignant.
One of my favorite lines from this song is "We all played the game we can't recall..." Yes, people don't always remember the pain they caused and yet they did. If you don't speak up, then you have to let it go.
One of my favs such a hauntingly beautiful song
I saw this episode live, fantastic song, beautifully performed - what a great blast from the past - the depth of those lyrics, ie. "ugly duckling girls like me" and " whispering vague obscenities" Very sad - keep up your great work Fil : )
I was 15 She absolutely change my view of everything with this song. This song and she is absolutely legendary and brilliant..Thank you so much for this ....
Thank you for highlighting an incredible artist! I first heard this song on VH1 Classic when I was in high school (like thirty years after the song was released!) and was just blown away.
I was 16 that year and remember this so well...a deep and heartfelt song, but oh my sooooo depressing.
Throughly enjoyed your insights. As i have always loved Janis and her concert in Sydney (I think the Regent theatre, sadly gone now.) was an outstounding experience and I still remember her on stage as a wonderful artist and so gracious in her acknowledgement of all musicians supporting her. Yeah Janice ! Thank you.
I've always loved this song Janis delivery was so understated and powerful to the point of reaching your heart and your emotions
Oh my, I forgot all about her, great to hear this song again!
An absolute heartfelt classic! Love this song
One of my favourite songs. Beautiful, timeless lyrics.
Brilliant artist. Janis ian.. wonderful voice, amazing lyrics. And musicality. Nice to see her again
Hi Fil...Wow! Glad I saw this, and saw her comments! I remember how I felt when I heard this song...I felt I was that ugly duckling, and Janis wrote about how I was feeling...it was one of those songs that spoke to me...felt the pain. Hard to admit that I felt so ugly...this song sure had my life in the words. Thanks Janis for putting into words what I felt! ✌️
Trivia: Janice was pals with Laura Nyro at the Manhattan High School of Art and Music for gifted kids in the early 1960's (not the Fame school). Elliott Randall (Steely Dan) was also there and a pal of Nyro's. You can see Leonard Bernstein review 'Society's Child' with Janice as a mid-teen on UA-cam. Elliott Randall played the guitar solo on the Irene Cara track 'Fame'. He was doing session work while still in high school. Sorry, I find rock connections fascinating.
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Lupco, I think for most of us who "came up" in the 60's/early 70's, it's always just a couple of degrees of separation. There weren't many airports, very few hotels would take us, we always ran into each other after gigs, club hopping, and a lot of us went to the same schools (or in my case, were thrown out of them).
@@janisianchannel Wow, Hi Janis, and thank you so much for your reply. And its my birthday today 17th March, so you have made my day! Its great to know that so many of you guys were friends. As an Australian, I was also thrilled to discover your collaboration with Tommy Emmanuel a few years ago. All the best. Cheers.
@@janisianchannel I HOPE THAT YOU KNOW THE IMPACT YOU AND YOUR MUSIC HAS MADE ON THE WORLD. LOVE FOREVER
Omg! Laura Nyro AND Janis in the same place. Love them both so much!!!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤
One of these days I'm going to have to have a Pegasus marathon. I enjoy your videos and analysis of long lost musical treasures.
Haha thanks Kevin!
Another fantastic review. So great that Janis herself comments on the video. You're a legend Fil.
Another great analysis Mr Fil. Thanx Janis for your beautiful song writing
as a boy growing up in The Bronx in the 60's fell in love with the voice and her songs. make me glad there are people like you Fil thanks for keeping the music going.
My parents took me to see Janis for my first concert in the 70s. It’s come full circle, as she’s doing her last tour right now. My sister and I went. It sounds like you know a lot about her. I believe she plays 7 instruments. Amazing lady, and she can STILL hit every note. Her voice is nearly flawless “At 70!” And if you’ve never seen her, you wouldn’t believe how funny she is. At Seventeen, in my opinion, pales compared to other tracks in the Between the Lines album. Still, a wonderful song, and so many could and can relate to the feelings it portrays. Thanks for covering her.
How wonderful to know that a musical great appreciates what you do!👑🎤🎶
I now have this song playing in my head on a continuous loop, thanks a lot, Fil!! 😆😆😆
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It’s like that song was written for me. So many things to say about this. It’s pretty cool to see a young’n recognize talented people from all eras. There’s a panoply of incredible players nobody will ever hear of. Thanks for bringing them back
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I was 22 living overseas when I fell in love with the song... at that time I couldn't understand all the lyrics but the music and the voice more than made up for it.
Later I moved to the US and I was able to appreciate all of it, to this day it makes tears well up in my eyes!
Thank you so much Janis!
I loved the superb guitar playing BRAVA JANIS!! I was always impressed how she controlled her tone and tenderness.
I'm am rewatching this and decided to see who was also nominated for Female Pop in 1975. Janice was up against Judy Collins (Send in the Clowns), Olivia Newton-John (Have you Ever Been Mellowed, Linda Rondstadt (Heart like a Wheel) and Helen Reddy (Ain't No way to Treat a Lady). That's some rough competition! What a great year for music!
Wonderful analysis of Janis's artistry. Thank you, Fil.
Hey there Fil and Janis Ian, thank you to both of you for such in-depth discussion about your songs, Janis, WE love you. I was peddling "Married in London" back in 2010 to anyone who would listen. And for the record, there is NOTHING like vinyl or reel to reel. The quality of sound, the warmth and the depth cannot be 'bought' digitally! Glad to hear Janis, that you've innovated 16 x 16 track tapes, I am looking forward to hearing this sound. You both are such class acts.
went to see her live in Dublin. brilliant.we were up the front and between songs she approached my daughter jessica who was 7 at the time,and the youngest person at the gig,and asked her what song would she like her to play for her. of course she said jesse,which is how she got her name.a very memorable experience. excellent live
Thank you, Fil, for highlighting this wonderful singer/songwriter who deserved to win that grammy! She captured my feelings and insecurities when I was 17.
I'm getting into your videos so much, seeing my beloved artists in a new light. Your analyses are so intelligent and knowledgeable, with such intensive research. I am impressed every time.
The 70s were a great and special decade. I was not a teenager until 1982 so being a kid through the 70s was a gift.
I love this song Fil. Thank you so much. Janis’ “Society’s Child”, is heart breaking as well.
The soft accompaniment of instruments I LOVE LOVE LOVE.
She really is amazing. Thinking deeply at such a young age. Unbelievably beautiful!
Great choice to teach about and the way Miss Ian reply to your take on her skill ...a class act.
Thrilled to see Janis featured here so lovingly and respectfully on Fil's most excellent channel.
We wore out Janis' first record, "Society's Child" on our first record player. We didn't realize that we are two years older than she is. We have been writing, recording, and performing our music our whole lives too.
We purchased Janis's new album today and bought Society's Child as well.
Her voice has served her so well... a young person's voice; ageless really. Her voice soars so high and clear.
We've fallen in love with her all over again after fifty years. Best Wishes Janis & well done Fil ⭐Jay & Robin Tremaine
Oh Fil, how seriously cool that Janis Ian wrote to you... This is possibly the most devastating and relatable song I've heard that still keeps speaking to me over the years. The vulnerable words mixed with such a sophisticated musical undercurrent perfectly conveys the power of open wounds we can still carry into adulthood. Haunting. The healing process is hard, but so worth stepping into greater truth. Music is so important. Good stuff.
Did she? Was that revealed in a later video? How very lovely.
What a beautiful song this is! Remember listening to this when I was teenager! Her voice accompanied with her guitar is just priceless! I was driving along coast with my wife so long ago with this song playing on the radio...amazing memories! Brilliant Fil! Cheers Mario!😀👌🤘
Thanks Mario!
Another great analysis video. Would love to see one on "Society 's Child" love that song.
Thanks again, Fil! This is a great song and something that I don't remember ever hearing growing up in the 70's, which is really too bad. I really appreciate your attention to this classic older music, it really is such a great service.
Thanks Scott!
From what I've read, Janis is the definition of a prodigy.
She's another artist I was bowled over by as a child of probably 10 or 11.
I distinctly recall the time my babysitter played her Janis Ian record one night while my parents were away.
Of course, I was just a kid and I had little experience in the world - and didn't understand all the lyrics.
But I could feel her truth flowing into me with every note and beat of that song - and it touched me deeply.
It's almost as if the Universe compelled her to create this beautiful song.
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OGWT is just fantastic and you found Janis Ian too. At 17 fucking killed me as a teenager. A beautiful song but horrific too. I thought i was ugly until I was 19 then realized I was probably not monstrous! The song captures everything that insecure in a youngster. Another great post from you sir.
Thanks, Fil! Wonderful analysis of a song that always hit me in the gut! 68 is SO much better than 17! I follow her Facebook page and enjoy her sense of humor as well! Thank-you for pointing out the Samba like feel and chord progressions!
Thanks Marcia!
Great commentary and how wonderful that Janis, herself responded to your video.
I bought her BETWEEN THE LINES album when it came out and fell in love with every word and every note of every song. Later I bought the songbook (I still have it!) and learned to play them on an Espana Classical guitar my mother had given me.
Janis Ian's music is ever poignant and significant.
A great analysis, Fil!! I love that you give a history of the person. This song brought back many memories. Haven't heard it in such a long time. She is such a gifted musician with an effortless voice!!
Again Phill, very well done, analyzed and said, the only way, unique way only you can do.
I like the way that you never say anything negative on artist, musician or singer, no matter how well they did in their careers.
It takes a lot of guts to write a song, create it with rhythm, add your own lead, write the lyrics, and sing it- perform it in front of an audience no matter how small.
As always keep up your good work .
The Artists I’m sure will always appreciate your comments!
Absolutely love this song and always have. Great tunes like this stand the test of time and never lose their appeal
A very cool song that was one of a kind in style, super smooth , when one remembers a song decades later...that means that it must be special and this was a very special song!
Thanks for such an amazingly informative explanation of this wonderful tune and background aspects of the life of Janis. I also had the complete bonus of being able to read the extensive comments left by Janis herself. Such a great song, such a great artist, such a great review. Thank you so much.
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Wow, this brings back memories (I was 12) of a great song performed by a prolific performer. Yet another superb video and analysis. Thank you
A timeless masterpiece. One of the great songs of the 20th century. Thanks you!
What a beautiful performance. Thanks for introducing her to me. Rock!
Was surprised and happy to see you do this classic. Talk about a story and an outstanding delivery; one of my very favorites. You can't help but listen to the whole thing all the way through.
Don't drink a beer while listening to this, you' ll wind up with a tear in your eye. Wonderful artist.
Beautiful Janis! One of my favorite artists of all time. 'Society's Child' also a masterpiece. When I was 14 I listened to it constantly. That and Left Banke's 'Pretty Ballerina'. Thanks fil I just love all your music reviews!
Thanks!
Emotion recollected in tranquiltiy, to borrow from Wordsworth. Beautiful song, great analysis.
What an amazing performance. Such a sweet, smooth voice. I could listen to this song all day. Thank you, Fil for bringing music of so many genres to the forefront of your channel. It has introduced so many new songs and artists to me.
Have you ever done a Barney Kessel video? I would love to see you break down one of his performances.
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But we did have dances, and I saw it on "to Sir with love" thanks Fil, another great analysis, cheers mate. And Janis, wow , she's a gem. A trailblazer. 💖💖
I am absolutely thrilled to see she is getting the recognition. I saw at NCSU in 1975. It was in the theatre. She was incredible. It was a small intimate setting. Just perfect for her and this type of music.
So thrilled you did this video from Janis. Ironically had posted on my FB yesterday n several of us discussed identifying w her poignant lyrics as well as the pain in her voice. Truly you are the best. Love all the coloring of background stories n history of artists. I have this album too. Thank you FIL again.
I like the you put that. I remember her from when I was a kid.
Ain't Fil the Man. He was crowned Ambassador of Rock yesterday.
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one of my all time most powerful songs I remember. Janis Ian also Never got her due, ironic she turned out so beautiful,what a one of a kind voice I remember that song in 76 overwhelming me with sadness
The most beautiful song ever! Thanks, Fil, for taking us back. Janis, if you read this, every 17 year old girl I knew could relate to this. It still brings tears to my eyes today. Thank you.
Phil my man. Shout out from New Hampshire, U.S. I really love watching you appreciating the music, some recorded before you were born. You have good taste man. Peace out ✌️ from Steve in New Hampshire.
Thanks Fil...I have been a huge fan since I was a teenager in the 1960's. She reaches you with interesting lyrics, melodies and still comes up with new hooks in her songs. Wish you could review "Welcome to Acousticville" but this was very satisfying . I hope this spurs many of your fans to listen to more of her music. She has a voice that needs to be heard.
Wow, how many times does the artist reply? Pretty cool of her. She's a great talent and the song flooded my mind with great memories. Very nice💗💗💗💗💗
Yeah she's cool! ☺
Fil, thanks for putting her out there.
She's a gem overlooked.
Nice reaction analysis Fil! Janis was always a great lyricist, and performer, so deep. Her voice is spectacular too. It's so nice to see she responded to you.
Fil I HUGEly enjoy your talks and analyses of pieces of music and the musicians, I'm really awed by how much you know, and even more, your sensitivity and depth. I also like how you never put anybody down. Also I love that English accent, I've been working at it myself. I recall t age 24 - landing in England and feeling I'd come home. It felt more familiar than my USA ever did. Again, love your show and watching you.
Thanks!
Another great one with Janis Ian, Her songs are timeless. great analysis and homework on Janis. thanks for this one Fil.
Thanks Drew!
God, that's Beautiful.
Fil, you never fail to impress. Your React opened my eyes to what I had never considered before, her guitar playing. Thank you for expanding on her talent! Keep doing what you do and I’ll keep appreciating every bit of it, Gracias Amigo!…. SanJoséBob
Thank you for always educating me on great artist. I enjoy your videos very much. 👍👍
Thanks!
This was one of those wonderful albums my parents had back-in-the-day that you don't hear on 70s oldies stations.
I love this song! The music sets the mood and the words just take you on a journey. So well done and so well written.
I saw Janis Ian at 17... and a boy at 17 at Lakes High School.
Fil, I am not a guitar player but I am FASCINATED by your reviews from the perspectives which you offer. I like your look, I like your compassion, I like your insight...........WINGS OF PEGASUS GROWING ALL OVER ME. Keep up the reviews Fil, great work. Find myself watching your channel more than the others.
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FIL THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO. YOU DO A GREAT JOB. LOVE WHAT YOU DO. KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO. PEACE AND LOVE .JANIS HAS A BEAUTIFUL VOICE AND ALOT OF TALENT