Interesting, as far as it goes. The problem is that many people watching videos like this and see the noisy pictures they all produce when pushed to the limit, will think they are all poor cameras. And then we get to read comments like “crappy camera” which of course is nonsense - they're all great cameras with little differences. For instance I'm sure they'd probably all outperform my 70D, but that doesn't mean much. Everybody loved the 70D when it came out, and the camera hasn't changed a bit since then: It's still an absolutely stunningly wonderful camera! Just to put things in the right perspective.
I see you point but "the right perspective" is a subjective thing. "Great cameras with little differences" is a term used to describe entry level models (around $500). At $1900, 6D2 must do better and those who spend that kind of money _will_ push these cameras to the limits. 6D2 is made from existing parts and technology Canon had at hand. It is crippled on purpose not to undermine 5D4 sales but people are not stupid and this market segmentation will bite Canon in the ass one day so hard they will not be able to comprehend what happened.
I can't very well disagree about that. (Except for the part about the term “great cameras with little differences” being restricted to entry-level cameras). But I think Canon will simply have to do better pretty soon, or they WILL be run over by Sony. And they must be fully aware of that, of course. Personally I think they've waited to see how this mirrorless thing would develope, before getting too involved. And now that they must be sensing the general wind direction, they must be on their way with something. But as even Canon cannot just decide to make a super-camera and then deliver it the next day, that something may not come this year. Let's hope it will.
I have had all 3 cameras. If you are shooting 5 stops off with all the technology we have these days, you are really missing the mark and it shouldn't matter that much. I watched a ton of these videos about how much the 6D mk II sucks, but bought one anyways and I love it. The 6D original sucked so bad at focusing it was a joke. I got the 80D for the video features and articulating screen and loved it, especially for it's focus compared to the 6D. I was on the fence forever on the 6D Mk II even after I sold the 6D original for $760 a couple months ago. But the bottom line on it, is that it is AWESOME!. I love it. If the 5D MK IV had the articulating screen, I would have got it, but I'll take that screen over a slight improvement any day of the week. I have the 16-35mm 2.8 and love it on my new 6D MKII as opposed to just on my 80D with it not as wide. I like having my 70-200 2.8II on the 80D to get more zoom now and the bokah is great. No regrets for me. I also bought mine new grey market on eBay for $1379 back only, so I have no complaints at that price either as opposed to current retail of $1900 (no warranty, but I haven't had a problem with my others, so live dangerously! I think a lot of us obsess on these techy stuff instead of just shooting already!!! :)
If you obsess about technical features, and pixel peep then don't get the 6Dmk2. For the rest of us, it's a brilliant camera. I've had mine for a few months, and it does what I want it to do perfectly. 70d-80d Crop frame wasn't cutting it on the wide end of 16-35 for me, video and photography, and I wanted the quality of those L-lenses. 5D and original 6D doesn't swivel, and EOS-R is way over-priced, so we are where we are.
@Phil Jones65 the best UWA aps-c I have is the Canon 10-18mm. It is a lovely lens, but unfortunately it is variable aperture. I also have the Tokina 11-16 f2.8, but it can't keep up focusing videos, and it flares like crazy, at night. Nothing I've seen UWA aps-c can touch the quality of the 16-35L with or without IS. Maybe you know of something that can. If so please share. :0)
wow man. i just bought a 6D classic. i had no idea that the mark 2 was so much worse in image quality. im really happy i got the classic. thanks for the detailed review
Great review, one of the best comparisons I've seen. Many canon 6D ii reviews say the camera is disappointing but do not go into more detail. This shows where Canon really fell short, they sacrificed dynamic range for low light performance. To make it worse the low light isn't very good. I have an 80d and was hoping to make the jump to full frame, but unfortunately, the mark ii is not a worthy upgrade and there is no other canon in my price range. Forced to wait until the 90d.
This is the best comparison video of the two 6D models I’ve seen yet. Everyone claims the 6D Mk II is so much better, but I reached the same conclusion as you and ultimately sent the Mk II back and kept my original 6D. Color is so much better on the Mk I.
I had been saving for the purchase of the 6DII, but since it didn't meet expectations when released, I upgraded from the 60D to the 80D, purchasing the Canon EF-S 10-18mm to make up for the loss of sensor size I had hoped for. When I made the choice, I was briefly disappointed, but I got over that very quickly once I started using the 80D.
I just got a 6D. Was looking to replace my older Canon DSLR with a full frame. My deciding factor was price and image quality. The point of a camera is to record images. The overall technical differences between the two are not mind boggling so I couldn't justify spending twice as much on the MKii. 20 Megapixels is more than I need. Dont need or care about the swivel display. Dont care about video specs as I rarely record video. Shoot mostly landscape and stills so the upgraded AF also was not high on my mind. In Short, I cannot justify the difference in price. IMO the MKII is not worth twice as much as the 6D.
Great review mate. Thanks... But to idiots who'd say "oh the 6D mk2 is crap... Stfu. If I was able to produce beautiful photos with my 550D and 7D what more with these beasts.
Thank you so much for your video. I was going to sell my 6D before buying 6d Mk II, cuz there are many cross type focal points, tilting display and more frames per second, but now I think that color is more important for me.
Super helpful comparison. You've done a great job of developing and using very realistic scenarios for revealing different aspects of image quality. I was debating whether to pick up a Canon 6D mark II to get better image quality over my 77D (same sensor as 80D), but i'll stick with what i have.
I own the 6D mark ii. I expose correctly and in some situations you have a lot of shadows no matter how well you expose your shot. However, the 6Dii tend to have a lot of bleeding and noise even at 100 ISO with proper exposure when bumping up the shadow in some cases. It also struggles a lot in terms of dynamic range. I totally hated that camera and I am about to sell it for dirt cheap money just because I cannot enjoy what I am doing with this camera.. Important NOTE: I shoot a lot of golden hour / cloudy days. When I try to take a full body shot of my subject using 50mm lens, 80% of the time the image is soft and my subject seem to be out of focus. I don't know if this is a camera issue in terms of focus or just in terms of quality, but again, I get a lot of quite soft images when my subject is further away from me.
Despite the drawbacks I am very happy with my 6D mk II. It has comparable image quality to my 70D (ISO 3200) at ISO 10000. I am the kind of photographer that doesnt raise shadows by more than 2 stops, so I guess I dont depend on that extra 'dynamic range'. Meanwhile I enjoy having a flip display and good ergonomics with Dual Pixel AF and that for 500€ more than a 70D. Not twice as much but rather 60% more expensive. Else the dynamic range is superior at higher ISOs. At bottom line one could say, that Canon surely should have innovated more with the 6D mk II's sensor, still the camera is a great one.
For those going oh crap or yea about what camera they got. Just know these test are blown way out of range setting wise. That being said, the best camera is the one you have with you. Better tech helps, but having the skill to utilize the camera to its full capacity will always trump someone compensating for a lack of. Enjoy your camera purchase and don't think too hard, at the end of the day they'll are good cameras.
Actually , I'm really impressed with your breakdown of single images . very revealing. I would love to see if you could do videos of artists painting as a UA-cam channel. With camera over center of artwork , best color ect.
Good test of extremes but let's be honest, any of these 3 cameras is capable of producing stunning results. All 3 perform better technically than say a 5D mk1 and mk2, but the 5D mk1 and mk2 produced some of the best images in the world for 12 years. The 5D didn't get worse, these cameras just got better. Any improvements from 2017 onwards are hard to spot in normal use. It's 2019 and I'd happily buy some used 5D mk3 bodies for professional work.
I'm loving my 6D2 as a back up... and luckily I rarely ever never shoot so bad I need to recover to the extreme... I hope everyone can practice more to get better than to just rely on a slider to save horrible techniques...
Thank you for the review. This could have been such a great camera, I hoped that 6D II would persuade me to try Canon, but the shadow recovery is a deal breaker for me. Also the 1080p video quality on 6D II seems to be quite poor.
Hey Camerahoarders, you're right about low light performance. Personally I would definitely prefer 80D (mainly because I own one). However pushing ISO to 25k... I would not push it even to 1600. Full frame - 3200 (barely). So don't play with it unless there is no any other (even creative) way :D BTW, the biggest "feature" as canon says - 80D and 6Dmk2 are tradeoff cameras between photo and video world. Anyways, nice review!
I've some difficulties to make a choice: staying with APS-C sensor or moving to Full Frame. I currently own a 70D and very happy of it, I think I will wait for the 7D Mark III and take a decision. Like for many people, this 6D mark II is a deception: outperformed by a 80D in dynamic range. Shamely a 5DIV is far too costly for me.
Though I am still a bit salty on the release price I paid for the 6d2, I grown to love the images that I create with it. I also own the original 6d was furious, initially, with how different the two cameras capture RAW images. However, I took extra time to approach editing and image refinement with the 6d2 and I greatly prefer using it over my 3 other Canon DSLR’s. Canon certainly intentionally handicapped this camera and being the fool who spent $2k on one, I wouldn’t recommend paying that much. It is a very useful well rounded stills camera at $1300-$1500 (refurbished prices on canons site, and yes it was $1299 around Christmas) with its Dual-pixel, viewfinder focusing system, battery life and overall real world usability. If you are considering this camera, rent it. Try it. Or, get a Sony. ;)
80d is more a allround camera. Wildlife is possible with 65 point coverage and 7fps burst mode. The 6d and 6d Mark ii is purely for the portrait/landscape photographers.
I LOVE my 80D. But it has limitations because of it's APS-C sensor. Still a beast, that outperforms many other far superior cameras in the experienced hand. The only reason I am upgrading to full frame is because I want weather sealed lens, but also want to use that lens to its fullest. Only complaint about 6d2 is the scrunched up AF points. I do like that the 6D2 can expose at a lower ISO. I frequently have issues with too bright or too dark with my 80D, but mostly that is do to my subject matter, which is often in a shadowed or dark area with bright highlights against stark shadows, and I am attempting to pull detail out of a tiny subject that is often occluded by differences in highlighting. Any camera regardless of brand and quality will struggle there. Exposure bracketing, ND filter, max stop, long exposure FTW.
The 6D has an excuse being 4 years older than the 80D. That 6Dm2 is pretty yikes considering it was the worst of the 3 while also being the most expensive and newest.
Fascinating! Thank you for the tests. I'll go on to Part 2, also. By the way, it might be difficult, but hopefully you can soon get your hands on a new Sony mirrorless (A7R III and/or A7 III).
Nice test Its only in ISO 100 right? But from what Ive seen in DXO, the 80D and 6D Dynamic range become basically the same befor ISO 400 and gets better than the 80D at ISO 800 and above. And that is usually how I use it for events. But its only the theory. I would like to see the reality.
But the noise recovery is only tested with low ISO. Because if it's tested at ISO 400 or above, the results might be a bit different. The dynamic range of the full frames would probably be better than the 80D. That is probably where most event photographers shoot at. Rearlly do we photograph at ISO 100 or 200. Still appreciate the video. Very informative.
The 80D will be the best bang for the buck camera for the next 2-3 years. Actual used price 750€ is just unbeatable. Even tho there will be a 90D someday the price tag will be to high to touch the 80D.
Well more mpx is usually worse regarding high ISO results, fewer pixels on the same surface means the pixels are usually bigger which should mean better-looking noise and better color rendering. I've been using 6d mk2 for a while now, and In real life scenario I don't see any difference between my 5dmk4 or 1dx regarding image quality, also for right results you should have used canon raw converter cause camera raw will do its own basic color rendering depending on the model, and each model of a camera will have different renderings and should be adjusted accordingly to get optimum colors and contrasts. super kanal :) pratim :)
Very useful, as always. But as you mentioned, for those who are mostly interested in video, dual-pixel AF+tilting screen alone would make the 6DII an absolute no-brainer, in spite of everything you showed here.
Not true. For many people, the MAIN advantage is not even ISO, but DOF control, and the 6DII is the very first "affordable" FF Canon camera that gives you the very best video-AF system in the market, on a FF camera. Mind you, I would not buy it, I just do not like arguments like yours, since you´re negating the n1 reason most people buy FF cameras, to begin with. Cheers.
This entire "shallow DOF" thing is massively overblown. Many times I've witnessed people closing aperture down to f/16 or f/22 to get enough depth of field (if they even knew what aperture is and how to operate it). Of course, ISO would go as high as stratosphere to compensate and final result is crappy. When you know what to do with shallow DOF then its a different thing but vast majority of cameras worldwide is not sold to the likes of us who dwell on reviews, forums and over analyze gear and shooting techniques. Average user is usually better of with as small as 1inch cameras as they often use them in green auto mode.
"Overblown"... in your opinion. My personal experience tells me the overwhelming majority of aficionado photo/videographers who make the jump from APS-C to FF do it due to better DOF control, not just because they want to shoot at ridiculous ISOs, or carry around much heavier gear for no good reason. It´s actually the exact same thing with professional photographers who have been shooting from the film days, the vast majority of whom refuse to have LESS creative control by using a camera with a much smaller sensor. Thus the unfair fallacy of "All those video goodies can be found in 80D at half the price". And this camera has obviously nothing to do with the "vast of majority of cameras worldwide" (which are phones, BTW) this is a 1.5 pounds, 1800$ body only camera that is bought primarily by people who know "a bit" what they´re doing; people who understand DOF control is precisely THE one feature they won´t be able to match without crappy, sub-par adapters that completely ruin one of this camera's main selling points: dual-pixel video-AF with the cheapest FF Canon camera on the market.
I decided against 6D Mark II and instead decided to keep my 6D without upgrading, and ordered the 80d for the video features. If I need good low light performance for video the 6D can do it.
Nice review.... I've seen quite a few videos on you tube that agree with you. I'm not really surprised... I remember when the 5Dii replaced the 5D classic... It took a few years to pass... but now there are many collectors of the 5D.... there are no collectors of the 5Dii. Best wishes.....J
The 80D is best combination betwen image quality and price... The 6D classic offer good lowlight and great texture details with yours 20 mpx... Good pixel density.. Fail only in autofocus for video.. Good job. Thanks guy.
Thumbs up video. Very precise, and real practical examples!!
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Great comparision, clear and balanced, no nonsense. I am a bit curious about the color difference for 6D mk ii, is that using Adobe Camera RAW/Lightroom? Have you tried Canon's own Photo Professional Software, to see whether it handles the RAW conversion better and if colors still are that desaturated?
6D2 is a bit better overall. Only a few in a few times will push those shadows that far and this has better features. That said, this was expected from Canon. They always had this nickel-and-dime business strategy. They know some will upgrade from 6D bc this has II in the name, some new to the brand will get this, some will upgrade from other crops..etc. See what they did w the EOS R? They could have added 4k and 2sd etc, but prob will do in the R2 or 3 in a few years..
I am a long time Canon user that also uses Fuji. I can say that for low light still photography performance, the original 6D yields images that are comparable to what my XT2 can produce. However the dynamic range of my Fuji XT1 and XT2 easily outperforms both the 6D and 5D III. I am not impressed by Canon's latest updates. Despite their age the older Canons still hold their own when exposure fundamentals and not camera technology is used to take a picture. Advances in autofocus make the 80D and 6DII compelling for moving subjects, and the 6DII performance in low light is very competitive. But at the end of the day, the image quality disappoints.
This was one of the best reviews I’ve seen. You should do this with other cameras. Maybe you have I will check out your channel! One thing.... I’m pretty sure the customer that’s going to buy the 6d mark 2 is for video use with the dual pixel af and the swivel screen. So you will ask what about the 80d performed better. They will be wanting Full frame.
Thanks for the review man...If canon engineers do not screw up the coming models..I am expecting 90D ( expecting in 2019) will have better low light performance on par with 10 year old 5D mark2 (full frame 2008) along with all the great features of 80D + 4 k video capability. (I do not mind increase in resolution. as resolution increases, there is more chance of noise in crop sensor.) I really think, for crop sensors, canon should provide sharp optics in their kit lenses.These days mobile phones seems to be better in providing sharp images, especially in group photos as those tiny lens have better corner sharpness. Only after buying a sigma 17-70 C for my 60 D I am able to get sharp group photos ( even though not as sharp as I get from an I phone or S7) .
i am offered to buy for 6d second hand (50k shutter) for 655$ and i am wondering what to do. It will be my second body. I have a7rIII + 35 1.4, 85 1.8 sony lenses and t3i with 50mm 1.8 stm, 18-135 stm and 70-200 f4 non IS. Hm...i would appreciate advises :).
Thanks for the review! Good job on this. This is really surprising that a "leading" camera brand releases a product with poorer image quality that its predecessor.
Good job, you nailed it. The newer 6d Mkii does add the articulating screen and pop-up flash (very useful to command remotely placed Canon strobes) which is a welcome addition. I own the 6D classic & 80D and love the 80D, but when high iso is needed, you can't beat the 6D.
Thank you for this. This is one of the best comparisons I've seen even when compared to several very large channels. I really wish Canon did better on this camera. I was about to buy this camera as primary camera for event and wedding photography and to have my 200D as a secondary and backup camera but now I'm unsure whether I should save and get a 5Diii instead
Thanks! Wait a couple of months, new FF mirrorless is around the corner according to rumors. Even if you don't like you can always buy some of the older models.
Yet another You Tube review that illustrates how Sensor size is far from everything. I switched from Canon back to Olympus a year ago, and couldn't be happier with the results I'm getting from the four-thirds sensor in my OM-D E-M1.
i have question if you own Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM would you still buy one of those other 2 lenses Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM or Canon EF 70-200mm 1:2.8 L IS II USM. which one and why.
I’d send the 6D mkii back if I bought it. What a disappointment that was. They didn’t want it surpassing the 5D mkiv, but failed so bad it couldn’t even surpass its predecessor
Having all 3 cameras and experience with alot more, I really wonder how you go that mismatching color reproduction. Have you tried again with updated RAW codec? Have you checked the camera profiles and made sure they are the same?
Yes, camera profiles are the same. There can be visible difference between what a certain profile extracts but in each case results were different between these 3 cameras (actually 6D2 and 80D are almost identical, 6D is different). Various converters could also make a difference (usually they do). It might be possible Canon DPP can extract more info than Adobe which I use. But with my editing workflow 6D2 requires extra effort to match 6D's output.
My usual workflow is based on adobe standard profile which I find to be the best one for me and my 6D over the years (and for many other cameras as well). I did some experimenting with other profiles now that you pointed it out and appears 6D2 images respond better when used with Canon profiles; stronger saturation and better color separation but also add too much of contrast for my taste and in case of some profile/photo combinations global color tint which needs to be counteracted with other sliders which in turns screws up everything. In the light of that I would tend to modify my conclusion from "6D2 has weak colors" to "6D2 has weak colors with Adobe camera standard profile but can be better with other profiles (and converters) and workflow techniques - you mileage may vary". Personally that changes nothing for me as I would need to modify my workflow what I'm not particularly keen to do. It is also possible next ACR version (I am on 10.1 currently) will bring some improvements - it happened before. Anyway, this clearly shows how hard can it be to test photo gear as so many variables are involved. I read a good blog post somewhere (Roger Cicala I think) how its actually near impossible to get perfectly objective conclusion in some gear comparisons as its near impossible to get perfectly identical focus point on both cameras even with the same lenses, how certain sensors and firmware changes things slightly, different software renders different results for no obvious reason etc.
You are absolutely right and that's why I am not to keen to publish tests myself. If I do, I tend to do it as a "practical review" and not as a 1:1 comparison. Regarding the profiles, if you got a color chart you can pretty easily make accurate profile for your camera yourself, which I did in the past. However, in recent times I simply use (Canon) Camera Standard as profile for all my Canon cams since I feel it gives WAY better colors (esp. skin) than Adobe Standard. It has more contrast though (which I like) so one could pick sth. else like Neutral. Or just leave Contrast at 0 instead always have to pull it up in Adobe Standard. I did not yet had the time and drive to test the colors of 6D I and II against each other since I never figured there could be a difference. Now I will do it though soon...
MiGel well to be honest. The 6d is an anomaly of a camera. It's truly a hidden gem. I don't think Canon can actually out-do the 6d1 because it's colors and image quality competes with pro-level cameras. I can easily tell the difference between the 6d1 and 6dm2 which is crazy to me because it's not as if the 6dm2 is bad. It's just the 6d1 was so great. And people tend to look past it because it's only an entry level camera.
it's kind a funny my 6d mk II doesnt look like this in low light , it gives me great image quality nice colors etc .. yea it doesnt have 4k so what i dont shoot videos so i dont care , but telling that everything in the camera is old and bad is BS from start to the end ...
Interesting, as far as it goes. The problem is that many people watching videos like this and see the noisy pictures they all produce when pushed to the limit, will think they are all poor cameras. And then we get to read comments like “crappy camera” which of course is nonsense - they're all great cameras with little differences. For instance I'm sure they'd probably all outperform my 70D, but that doesn't mean much. Everybody loved the 70D when it came out, and the camera hasn't changed a bit since then: It's still an absolutely stunningly wonderful camera! Just to put things in the right perspective.
I see you point but "the right perspective" is a subjective thing. "Great cameras with little differences" is a term used to describe entry level models (around $500). At $1900, 6D2 must do better and those who spend that kind of money _will_ push these cameras to the limits. 6D2 is made from existing parts and technology Canon had at hand. It is crippled on purpose not to undermine 5D4 sales but people are not stupid and this market segmentation will bite Canon in the ass one day so hard they will not be able to comprehend what happened.
I can't very well disagree about that. (Except for the part about the term “great cameras with little differences” being restricted to entry-level cameras). But I think Canon will simply have to do better pretty soon, or they WILL be run over by Sony. And they must be fully aware of that, of course. Personally I think they've waited to see how this mirrorless thing would develope, before getting too involved. And now that they must be sensing the general wind direction, they must be on their way with something. But as even Canon cannot just decide to make a super-camera and then deliver it the next day, that something may not come this year. Let's hope it will.
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This is by far the only objective and rationale comparison / review of 6d MKii on youtube that is worth watching. thank you for doing this.
I like your videos - right to the point, with no useless filler and no beating around the bush. Keep it up.
I have had all 3 cameras. If you are shooting 5 stops off with all the technology we have these days, you are really missing the mark and it shouldn't matter that much. I watched a ton of these videos about how much the 6D mk II sucks, but bought one anyways and I love it. The 6D original sucked so bad at focusing it was a joke. I got the 80D for the video features and articulating screen and loved it, especially for it's focus compared to the 6D. I was on the fence forever on the 6D Mk II even after I sold the 6D original for $760 a couple months ago. But the bottom line on it, is that it is AWESOME!. I love it. If the 5D MK IV had the articulating screen, I would have got it, but I'll take that screen over a slight improvement any day of the week. I have the 16-35mm 2.8 and love it on my new 6D MKII as opposed to just on my 80D with it not as wide. I like having my 70-200 2.8II on the 80D to get more zoom now and the bokah is great. No regrets for me. I also bought mine new grey market on eBay for $1379 back only, so I have no complaints at that price either as opposed to current retail of $1900 (no warranty, but I haven't had a problem with my others, so live dangerously! I think a lot of us obsess on these techy stuff instead of just shooting already!!! :)
This is kind of what is driving me crazy about this. Who needs to pull back that much? Why would I ever need to.
Exactly...
Wow may I have the 80d sir😉
If you obsess about technical features, and pixel peep then don't get the 6Dmk2. For the rest of us, it's a brilliant camera. I've had mine for a few months, and it does what I want it to do perfectly. 70d-80d Crop frame wasn't cutting it on the wide end of 16-35 for me, video and photography, and I wanted the quality of those L-lenses. 5D and original 6D doesn't swivel, and EOS-R is way over-priced, so we are where we are.
@Phil Jones65 the best UWA aps-c I have is the Canon 10-18mm. It is a lovely lens, but unfortunately it is variable aperture. I also have the Tokina 11-16 f2.8, but it can't keep up focusing videos, and it flares like crazy, at night. Nothing I've seen UWA aps-c can touch the quality of the 16-35L with or without IS. Maybe you know of something that can. If so please share. :0)
Who knew Dracula was a photographer! xD kidding!
wow man. i just bought a 6D classic. i had no idea that the mark 2 was so much worse in image quality. im really happy i got the classic. thanks for the detailed review
same here :)
Among the best camera comparison videos I have seen so far. Practical and detailed. Good work.
80d rocks!
Great review, one of the best comparisons I've seen. Many canon 6D ii reviews say the camera is disappointing but do not go into more detail. This shows where Canon really fell short, they sacrificed dynamic range for low light performance. To make it worse the low light isn't very good. I have an 80d and was hoping to make the jump to full frame, but unfortunately, the mark ii is not a worthy upgrade and there is no other canon in my price range. Forced to wait until the 90d.
This is the best comparison video of the two 6D models I’ve seen yet. Everyone claims the 6D Mk II is so much better, but I reached the same conclusion as you and ultimately sent the Mk II back and kept my original 6D. Color is so much better on the Mk I.
actually, pretty much no one claims it's better in terms of image quality.
Im setting my 6D auto iso up to 12,800 and shoot, amazing image quality and low-light performance.
Zachary Galyen by just looking at two pics I made out the difference, ie, the 6D classic is better than the 6D M II
Finally! I found a real camera review! Love how you compare low light performance and dynamic range!
I had been saving for the purchase of the 6DII, but since it didn't meet expectations when released, I upgraded from the 60D to the 80D, purchasing the Canon EF-S 10-18mm to make up for the loss of sensor size I had hoped for. When I made the choice, I was briefly disappointed, but I got over that very quickly once I started using the 80D.
I just got a 6D. Was looking to replace my older Canon DSLR with a full frame. My deciding factor was price and image quality. The point of a camera is to record images. The overall technical differences between the two are not mind boggling so I couldn't justify spending twice as much on the MKii. 20 Megapixels is more than I need. Dont need or care about the swivel display. Dont care about video specs as I rarely record video. Shoot mostly landscape and stills so the upgraded AF also was not high on my mind. In Short, I cannot justify the difference in price. IMO the MKII is not worth twice as much as the 6D.
Great review mate. Thanks... But to idiots who'd say "oh the 6D mk2 is crap... Stfu. If I was able to produce beautiful photos with my 550D and 7D what more with these beasts.
Thank you so much for your video. I was going to sell my 6D before buying 6d Mk II, cuz there are many cross type focal points, tilting display and more frames per second, but now I think that color is more important for me.
Well one positive thing, good work on 80d! Can't wait for Canon to show their new crop cameras this year!
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This is why I bought the 6D. This and the cost was much cheaper. Just missing that flip screen
Yassss. I have an 80d✊️
Super helpful comparison. You've done a great job of developing and using very realistic scenarios for revealing different aspects of image quality. I was debating whether to pick up a Canon 6D mark II to get better image quality over my 77D (same sensor as 80D), but i'll stick with what i have.
I own the 6D mark ii. I expose correctly and in some situations you have a lot of shadows no matter how well you expose your shot. However, the 6Dii tend to have a lot of bleeding and noise even at 100 ISO with proper exposure when bumping up the shadow in some cases. It also struggles a lot in terms of dynamic range. I totally hated that camera and I am about to sell it for dirt cheap money just because I cannot enjoy what I am doing with this camera..
Important NOTE: I shoot a lot of golden hour / cloudy days. When I try to take a full body shot of my subject using 50mm lens, 80% of the time the image is soft and my subject seem to be out of focus. I don't know if this is a camera issue in terms of focus or just in terms of quality, but again, I get a lot of quite soft images when my subject is further away from me.
Despite the drawbacks I am very happy with my 6D mk II. It has comparable image quality to my 70D (ISO 3200) at ISO 10000. I am the kind of photographer that doesnt raise shadows by more than 2 stops, so I guess I dont depend on that extra 'dynamic range'.
Meanwhile I enjoy having a flip display and good ergonomics with Dual Pixel AF and that for 500€ more than a 70D. Not twice as much but rather 60% more expensive. Else the dynamic range is superior at higher ISOs.
At bottom line one could say, that Canon surely should have innovated more with the 6D mk II's sensor, still the camera is a great one.
For those going oh crap or yea about what camera they got. Just know these test are blown way out of range setting wise. That being said, the best camera is the one you have with you. Better tech helps, but having the skill to utilize the camera to its full capacity will always trump someone compensating for a lack of. Enjoy your camera purchase and don't think too hard, at the end of the day they'll are good cameras.
Actually , I'm really impressed with your breakdown of single images . very revealing. I would love to see if you could do videos of artists painting as a UA-cam channel. With camera over center of artwork , best color ect.
Sooo happy I kept my original 6D! Loving it!!
Ok baller
Your presentation was very informative. Glad to see I made a good choice with the 80 D. Keep up the good work.
Good test of extremes but let's be honest, any of these 3 cameras is capable of producing stunning results. All 3 perform better technically than say a 5D mk1 and mk2, but the 5D mk1 and mk2 produced some of the best images in the world for 12 years. The 5D didn't get worse, these cameras just got better. Any improvements from 2017 onwards are hard to spot in normal use. It's 2019 and I'd happily buy some used 5D mk3 bodies for professional work.
Colour rendering of 6D classic is really awesome
I'm loving my 6D2 as a back up... and luckily I rarely ever never shoot so bad I need to recover to the extreme... I hope everyone can practice more to get better than to just rely on a slider to save horrible techniques...
Thank you for the review. This could have been such a great camera, I hoped that 6D II would persuade me to try Canon, but the shadow recovery is a deal breaker for me. Also the 1080p video quality on 6D II seems to be quite poor.
Yeah, the magic of 6D classic simply isn't there...
Very well done comparison. Excellent, thank you
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I definitely think I will hang onto my Classic 6D for a while. May not have all the bells and whistles, but it's a solid performer for the price.
I'll be keeping my 6d - I've had great photos so far and don't see any reason to change at the moment.
Same in 2021 😁
Zasto ja ne znam da ti postojis! Odlican kanal!!!!
I have the 5d4 and 6d classic and I love them both.
I like my Canon 80D, i use ISO 100 - 3200, i think it's great job for crp sensor.
I’ve not come across a can or bottle opener in a while, but this video was definitely an eye opener! 👌
Hey Camerahoarders, you're right about low light performance. Personally I would definitely prefer 80D (mainly because I own one). However pushing ISO to 25k... I would not push it even to 1600. Full frame - 3200 (barely). So don't play with it unless there is no any other (even creative) way :D
BTW, the biggest "feature" as canon says - 80D and 6Dmk2 are tradeoff cameras between photo and video world.
Anyways, nice review!
Best comparison video, please continue!
I've some difficulties to make a choice: staying with APS-C sensor or moving to Full Frame. I currently own a 70D and very happy of it, I think I will wait for the 7D Mark III and take a decision. Like for many people, this 6D mark II is a deception: outperformed by a 80D in dynamic range. Shamely a 5DIV is far too costly for me.
Though I am still a bit salty on the release price I paid for the 6d2, I grown to love the images that I create with it. I also own the original 6d was furious, initially, with how different the two cameras capture RAW images. However, I took extra time to approach editing and image refinement with the 6d2 and I greatly prefer using it over my 3 other Canon DSLR’s. Canon certainly intentionally handicapped this camera and being the fool who spent $2k on one, I wouldn’t recommend paying that much. It is a very useful well rounded stills camera at $1300-$1500 (refurbished prices on canons site, and yes it was $1299 around Christmas) with its Dual-pixel, viewfinder focusing system, battery life and overall real world usability. If you are considering this camera, rent it. Try it. Or, get a Sony. ;)
Thanks, staying with my 6d classic :)
I am completely perplexed. Great work! Keep it up. Maybe a comparison of Canon 6D/6D mk2 to EOS R? R6?
80d is more a allround camera. Wildlife is possible with 65 point coverage and 7fps burst mode. The 6d and 6d Mark ii is purely for the portrait/landscape photographers.
6d is such a classic. I kept this DSLR
I completely agree on the ISO test, the old 6D does seem to be better, even with the amount of noise in the images.
Think I will keep my 80D, thanks for the video
I LOVE my 80D. But it has limitations because of it's APS-C sensor. Still a beast, that outperforms many other far superior cameras in the experienced hand. The only reason I am upgrading to full frame is because I want weather sealed lens, but also want to use that lens to its fullest. Only complaint about 6d2 is the scrunched up AF points. I do like that the 6D2 can expose at a lower ISO. I frequently have issues with too bright or too dark with my 80D, but mostly that is do to my subject matter, which is often in a shadowed or dark area with bright highlights against stark shadows, and I am attempting to pull detail out of a tiny subject that is often occluded by differences in highlighting. Any camera regardless of brand and quality will struggle there. Exposure bracketing, ND filter, max stop, long exposure FTW.
Lmao the 80D whooped some FF butt
The 6D has an excuse being 4 years older than the 80D. That 6Dm2 is pretty yikes considering it was the worst of the 3 while also being the most expensive and newest.
Fascinating! Thank you for the tests. I'll go on to Part 2, also. By the way, it might be difficult, but hopefully you can soon get your hands on a new Sony mirrorless (A7R III and/or A7 III).
Nikon D7200 here, but really appreciate the 80D, since it’s its closest Canon cousin.
Excellent. This is the review I was looking for
Nice test
Its only in ISO 100 right?
But from what Ive seen in DXO, the 80D and 6D Dynamic range become basically the same befor ISO 400 and gets better than the 80D at ISO 800 and above.
And that is usually how I use it for events. But its only the theory. I would like to see the reality.
Odličan video. Svaka čast! Great video!
But the noise recovery is only tested with low ISO. Because if it's tested at ISO 400 or above, the results might be a bit different.
The dynamic range of the full frames would probably be better than the 80D.
That is probably where most event photographers shoot at. Rearlly do we photograph at ISO 100 or 200.
Still appreciate the video. Very informative.
The 80D will be the best bang for the buck camera for the next 2-3 years. Actual used price 750€ is just unbeatable. Even tho there will be a 90D someday the price tag will be to high to touch the 80D.
Very well done. It would be great to see a comparison of the other features you mention like focus, video, time-lapse. Thank you!
Very nice video exactly what I was looking for!
Very good comparison! And surprisingly conclusion too.
Great job. Your reviews are the best. Period.
Wonderful! Best comparison video i've ever seen
Well more mpx is usually worse regarding high ISO results, fewer pixels on the same surface means the pixels are usually bigger which should mean better-looking noise and better color rendering. I've been using 6d mk2 for a while now, and In real life scenario I don't see any difference between my 5dmk4 or 1dx regarding image quality, also for right results you should have used canon raw converter cause camera raw will do its own basic color rendering depending on the model, and each model of a camera will have different renderings and should be adjusted accordingly to get optimum colors and contrasts.
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Very useful, as always.
But as you mentioned, for those who are mostly interested in video, dual-pixel AF+tilting screen alone would make the 6DII an absolute no-brainer, in spite of everything you showed here.
All those video goodies can be found in 80D at half the price. 6D2's only video advantage is better high ISO if someone needs it.
Not true. For many people, the MAIN advantage is not even ISO, but DOF control, and the 6DII is the very first "affordable" FF Canon camera that gives you the very best video-AF system in the market, on a FF camera.
Mind you, I would not buy it, I just do not like arguments like yours, since you´re negating the n1 reason most people buy FF cameras, to begin with.
Cheers.
This entire "shallow DOF" thing is massively overblown. Many times I've witnessed people closing aperture down to f/16 or f/22 to get enough depth of field (if they even knew what aperture is and how to operate it). Of course, ISO would go as high as stratosphere to compensate and final result is crappy. When you know what to do with shallow DOF then its a different thing but vast majority of cameras worldwide is not sold to the likes of us who dwell on reviews, forums and over analyze gear and shooting techniques. Average user is usually better of with as small as 1inch cameras as they often use them in green auto mode.
"Overblown"... in your opinion. My personal experience tells me the overwhelming majority of aficionado photo/videographers who make the jump from APS-C to FF do it due to better DOF control, not just because they want to shoot at ridiculous ISOs, or carry around much heavier gear for no good reason.
It´s actually the exact same thing with professional photographers who have been shooting from the film days, the vast majority of whom refuse to have LESS creative control by using a camera with a much smaller sensor. Thus the unfair fallacy of "All those video goodies can be found in 80D at half the price".
And this camera has obviously nothing to do with the "vast of majority of cameras worldwide" (which are phones, BTW) this is a 1.5 pounds, 1800$ body only camera that is bought primarily by people who know "a bit" what they´re doing; people who understand DOF control is precisely THE one feature they won´t be able to match without crappy, sub-par adapters that completely ruin one of this camera's main selling points: dual-pixel video-AF with the cheapest FF Canon camera on the market.
I decided against 6D Mark II and instead decided to keep my 6D without upgrading, and ordered the 80d for the video features.
If I need good low light performance for video the 6D can do it.
Nice review.... I've seen quite a few videos on you tube that agree with you.
I'm not really surprised... I remember when the 5Dii replaced the 5D classic...
It took a few years to pass... but now there are many collectors of the 5D.... there are no collectors of the 5Dii. Best wishes.....J
Imagine quality is about lens and skill you have.
I sold my 60D. Now I'm trying to decide if I want 6D or 80D.
Mainly for car photography. Got 50mm 1.4 and 70-200 f/4 USM
What would you recommend?
6D
6d for sure
The 80D is best combination betwen image quality and price... The 6D classic offer good lowlight and great texture details with yours 20 mpx... Good pixel density.. Fail only in autofocus for video.. Good job. Thanks guy.
Thumbs up video. Very precise, and real practical examples!!
Great comparision, clear and balanced, no nonsense. I am a bit curious about the color difference for 6D mk ii, is that using Adobe Camera RAW/Lightroom? Have you tried Canon's own Photo Professional Software, to see whether it handles the RAW conversion better and if colors still are that desaturated?
An excellent review thank you.
6D2 is a bit better overall. Only a few in a few times will push those shadows that far and this has better features. That said, this was expected from Canon. They always had this nickel-and-dime business strategy. They know some will upgrade from 6D bc this has II in the name, some new to the brand will get this, some will upgrade from other crops..etc. See what they did w the EOS R? They could have added 4k and 2sd etc, but prob will do in the R2 or 3 in a few years..
Thanks for the video. It was extremely helpful.
I am a long time Canon user that also uses Fuji. I can say that for low light still photography performance, the original 6D yields images that are comparable to what my XT2 can produce. However the dynamic range of my Fuji XT1 and XT2 easily outperforms both the 6D and 5D III.
I am not impressed by Canon's latest updates. Despite their age the older Canons still hold their own when exposure fundamentals and not camera technology is used to take a picture.
Advances in autofocus make the 80D and 6DII compelling for moving subjects, and the 6DII performance in low light is very competitive. But at the end of the day, the image quality disappoints.
This was one of the best reviews I’ve seen. You should do this with other cameras. Maybe you have I will check out your channel!
One thing.... I’m pretty sure the customer that’s going to buy the 6d mark 2 is for video use with the dual pixel af and the swivel screen. So you will ask what about the 80d performed better. They will be wanting Full frame.
This is why I have still my 80D .... waiting for 90D or 7Dmark iii
Thanks for the review man...If canon engineers do not screw up the coming models..I am expecting 90D ( expecting in 2019) will have better low light performance on par with 10 year old 5D mark2 (full frame 2008) along with all the great features of 80D + 4 k video capability. (I do not mind increase in resolution. as resolution increases, there is more chance of noise in crop sensor.)
I really think, for crop sensors, canon should provide sharp optics in their kit lenses.These days mobile phones seems to be better in providing sharp images, especially in group photos as those tiny lens have better corner sharpness. Only after buying a sigma 17-70 C for my 60 D I am able to get sharp group photos ( even though not as sharp as I get from an I phone or S7) .
So it's best combo to get 6d for photos, and 80d for video?
If you can live with 6d's slow focus and fixed non-touch display, then yes.
i am offered to buy for 6d second hand (50k shutter) for 655$ and i am wondering what to do. It will be my second body.
I have a7rIII + 35 1.4, 85 1.8 sony lenses and t3i with 50mm 1.8 stm, 18-135 stm and 70-200 f4 non IS.
Hm...i would appreciate advises :).
Great video, thank you. I started photography with an 80D, and I've upgraded to a 6D Mk2... or is it downgraded... I'm so confused! 🤣
How did it go with the 6D mark II in comparison to the 80D?
Specially in High ISO values...
Well done review... Image quality is key... Sad for the newest camera to be lagging behind ☹️
Great info! Thanks dude.
Thanks for the review! Good job on this. This is really surprising that a "leading" camera brand releases a product with poorer image quality that its predecessor.
Happens regularly. Google for Nikon D4 vs D5, similar reports from many reviews and users.
Great review from Zagreb!
Your English sounds so sweet and cute
Good job, you nailed it. The newer 6d Mkii does add the articulating screen and pop-up flash (very useful to command remotely placed Canon strobes) which is a welcome addition. I own the 6D classic & 80D and love the 80D, but when high iso is needed, you can't beat the 6D.
6d mk ii doesn't have a pop-up flash.
Thank you.. this will help me make an informed decision.
What will you choice ?
How did you remove the white Canon logo?
Thank you for this. This is one of the best comparisons I've seen even when compared to several very large channels. I really wish Canon did better on this camera. I was about to buy this camera as primary camera for event and wedding photography and to have my 200D as a secondary and backup camera but now I'm unsure whether I should save and get a 5Diii instead
Thanks! Wait a couple of months, new FF mirrorless is around the corner according to rumors. Even if you don't like you can always buy some of the older models.
what an amazzzing video... awesome work sir.
Yet another You Tube review that illustrates how Sensor size is far from everything. I switched from Canon back to Olympus a year ago, and couldn't be happier with the results I'm getting from the four-thirds sensor in my OM-D E-M1.
i have question if you own Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM would you still buy one of those other 2 lenses Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM or Canon EF 70-200mm 1:2.8 L IS II USM. which one and why.
It depends on what you're using it for.
Expose properly and no need to salvage areas in post op.
I’d send the 6D mkii back if I bought it. What a disappointment that was. They didn’t want it surpassing the 5D mkiv, but failed so bad it couldn’t even surpass its predecessor
Having all 3 cameras and experience with alot more, I really wonder how you go that mismatching color reproduction.
Have you tried again with updated RAW codec? Have you checked the camera profiles and made sure they are the same?
Yes, camera profiles are the same. There can be visible difference between what a certain profile extracts but in each case results were different between these 3 cameras (actually 6D2 and 80D are almost identical, 6D is different). Various converters could also make a difference (usually they do). It might be possible Canon DPP can extract more info than Adobe which I use. But with my editing workflow 6D2 requires extra effort to match 6D's output.
I use Adobe as well. Which profile did you use with the 3?
My usual workflow is based on adobe standard profile which I find to be the best one for me and my 6D over the years (and for many other cameras as well).
I did some experimenting with other profiles now that you pointed it out and appears 6D2 images respond better when used with Canon profiles; stronger saturation and better color separation but also add too much of contrast for my taste and in case of some profile/photo combinations global color tint which needs to be counteracted with other sliders which in turns screws up everything.
In the light of that I would tend to modify my conclusion from "6D2 has weak colors" to "6D2 has weak colors with Adobe camera standard profile but can be better with other profiles (and converters) and workflow techniques - you mileage may vary". Personally that changes nothing for me as I would need to modify my workflow what I'm not particularly keen to do. It is also possible next ACR version (I am on 10.1 currently) will bring some improvements - it happened before.
Anyway, this clearly shows how hard can it be to test photo gear as so many variables are involved. I read a good blog post somewhere (Roger Cicala I think) how its actually near impossible to get perfectly objective conclusion in some gear comparisons as its near impossible to get perfectly identical focus point on both cameras even with the same lenses, how certain sensors and firmware changes things slightly, different software renders different results for no obvious reason etc.
You are absolutely right and that's why I am not to keen to publish tests myself. If I do, I tend to do it as a "practical review" and not as a 1:1 comparison.
Regarding the profiles, if you got a color chart you can pretty easily make accurate profile for your camera yourself, which I did in the past.
However, in recent times I simply use (Canon) Camera Standard as profile for all my Canon cams since I feel it gives WAY better colors (esp. skin) than Adobe Standard. It has more contrast though (which I like) so one could pick sth. else like Neutral. Or just leave Contrast at 0 instead always have to pull it up in Adobe Standard.
I did not yet had the time and drive to test the colors of 6D I and II against each other since I never figured there could be a difference. Now I will do it though soon...
MiGel well to be honest. The 6d is an anomaly of a camera. It's truly a hidden gem. I don't think Canon can actually out-do the 6d1 because it's colors and image quality competes with pro-level cameras.
I can easily tell the difference between the 6d1 and 6dm2 which is crazy to me because it's not as if the 6dm2 is bad. It's just the 6d1 was so great. And people tend to look past it because it's only an entry level camera.
honestly what you suggest 80D or 6d mark 2, i'm considering buying one of those 2 cameras
If you need good high ISO get the 6D2, it is not that bad as video suggests.
Thank you very much for the awesome vid!
Very helpful video!
Great video, Thanks!
Which is the best? 6d ii or 80d?
hi one question, but if you are shootgin raw what are the settings you usin to bring them into render?
it's kind a funny my 6d mk II doesnt look like this in low light , it gives me great image quality nice colors etc .. yea it doesnt have 4k so what i dont shoot videos so i dont care , but telling that everything in the camera is old and bad is BS from start to the end ...
Thanks for this!
Thank you