How Adapting “The Fox and the Hound” Almost Destroyed Disney
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2023
- [Audio Remaster - Originally Published 10/31/2020]
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For those who aren’t aware, I have been going back and doing audio remasters of a number of my older videos, now that I have much better equipment, software, and general knowledge of how to record and edit audio.
I had already produced remasters for my videos on the effects of both Shrek and The Fox and the Hound on American animation, and intended to release them in mid-late January, but then suddenly, in early December of last year, the algorithm started recommending these two older videos (hence why you might have already watched the original version of this).
I just wanted to let you all know to avoid confusion, especially for those who have already watched the originals (though I’d appreciate you watching the improved versions). I’ll be leaving the original uploads live for a little while, to avoid sabotaging myself in the algorithm, before eventually unlisting them (though the originals will still be linked in the bottom of the descriptions of the remasters).
In other news, I should have a brand-new video out in mid-late February, with my 50K Q&A special hopefully coming out in March or April (so be sure to get your questions in now, on either the video announcement or the community post).
What are your thoughts on The Hunchback of Notre Dame (Both The Original Victor Hugo Novel and The 1996 Disney Film). Not gonna lie I actually think the 1996 Disney film is better than the Victor Hugo novel. Quasimodo and Esmeralda are more likable and relatable in the Disney movie than they were in the Hugo novel. I also think Claude Frollo is way cooler and bad ass than he was in the book. I thinking making him a judge is scarier than him just being a an evil priest. Making Frollo a judge gives more authority and power which makes him a more credible threat. Not too mention the whole evil priest has been done to death and is very cliche. Given that Claude Frollo is a religious villain making an evil priest would have been too on the nose/obvious.
You about how people dismises an entire genre as "childish" is how i feel about people dismissing fantasy and science fiction as their own genres or how they dismiss all animation as childish
But Sci-Fi and Fantasy are their own genres… there are also sub-genres that combine the two.
@@therealCrazyJake no, sci fi and fantasy are settings no genres, genres are stuff like horror, adventure, mystery, romance, etc and those stories can happen in any setting be it contemporary, historical, future or fantastical settings (or a mix of them as its often the case)
the problem with considering them "genres" is that then they get constrained to genre convensions which severly limits what can be done with the story since people have several expectations of what one of this stories is supposed to be, another problem is the fantasy and sci fi ghetto which you can investigate more about that to learn why its a problem
@@carso1500 doesn’t fantasy concern things that aren’t possible? And science fiction things that in theory could be possible?
In which case I’m not sure how that limits what the story can be. There are time worn, popular conventions in both fantasy and science fiction (and all other genres…), but that doesn’t mean a story written outside those “parameters” wouldn’t be science fiction or fantasy.
@@ShintogaDeathAngel there are conventions to them because a lot of people consider them genres and genres must have conventions, which is why i say against calling them genres because that only constraints their posibilities
Most of the time they are more a setting to set a story against, and while the setting has far more importance in those stories than in many others they are still just settings were other stories happen
The ballad of the bellstone fox sounds interesting. I agree with your theory. It’s almost like Reynard the Fox and Robin Hood. They were gonna make a Reynard movie, but Reynard’s an anti hero, so they basically adapted Robin Hood and made the characters foxes and other animals. Here it’s basically they adapted a different novel, but used names from something they had the rights to. Like, if they adapted the Robin Hood stories, but kept the name’s from the Reynard stories, and called it “Reynard the Fox” instead of Robin Hood.
There's just one thing wrong. Asher didn't live. I have the book right now, and it turns out Asher actually DID die, 😔 just like in the movie. I think Mr. West might've been thinking about the Free Spirit version. Asher survived in THAT book. 😊
Bonus fun fact: wolfgang reitherman's son bruce reitherman voiced the role of mowgli in the 1967 disney classic the jungle book..
This is cool though, I never knew *this* was the film Bluth walked out over. If only the man had been able to keep his writing quality up lol.
He had a lot of issues with how Disney was doing things. Another example was the animation of “The Rescuers”. He thought it silly that the the mice didn’t have any white part of the eyes and that each mouse was depicted as having the white replaced with the colour of their fur……
According to the animation drafts for Fox and the Hound, Don Bluth, Gary Goldman and John Pomeroy did do some animation on the film.
Oliver and Company is one of the most underrated animated films of all time!
it's cool to see you remaking these videos about the history of animation, i didn't expect to agree with the shrek video much, but it's pretty good, just like this one
I'm just discovering your channel and it is great! I loved The Fox and the Hound book, it has a special place in my heart since I worked with this book for my degree thesis.
the remaster looks so great and more intriguing to watch.
Fun fact: ron clements directed a few disney classics like the little mermaid, aladdin, and hercules.
Glad this got remastered! One of my fave videos from you :)
Goddamn your animated movie analysis is absolutely perfect, i love your videos.
Golden rule: if the character you refused to kill does nothing for the rest of the story, you should've just let them die.
I watched the original 2 weeks before this one came out. So ill just support you again.
what a study and essay! an amazing production. ty
Started reading it because of the original videos on the Mannix book and the changes made by Disney, great to see an updated version gladly will watch the video again :)
Gotta love the beastars OST playing in the background… good vid!! I’m so sad about the original novels angst, but I love the new information.
16:51 *cough* Bambi’s mom *cough*
My thoughts exactly. Not to mention, Chief is technically a villain. And how many of their villains haven't they killed? (Often by falling. Gravitiy is a harsh mistress indeed)
The Animal Crossing music really fits well here.
22:06 WHOOP WHOOP!
This is a prime example of a butterfly effect.
Was that a clip of Ballad of the Bellstone Fox at the beginning? You know? The other fox movie based on a different but similar book.
Curious, will you be talking about Disney's adaptation of Oliver Twist?
This was the first film I ever saw as a child.
Do you know where I can get the original novel at an affordable price?
Not possible. Only the Kindle can be obtained cheaply.
Recently rewatched the film and I agree with your analysis; There are some great elements in this film, but there is too much fluff at times that drags it down and they should have killed of Chief.
Also, I couldn't help but compare the film to Bambi, another NAX-story set in the American forests (though I know the original book is set in Europe) with Hunters as the main antagonists and, well, Bambi is better made. Both storytelling-wise and technically/animation wise. Best summed up with that both films have a scene with a waterfall in the background. For Bambi, it's in the beginning, for FatH, it's during Tod and Vixy's "falling in love montage" and the big difference is in Bambi the waterfall moves. It flows. But it doesn't in FatH, which just feels lazy.
I too want to say that I think your theory holds a lot of weight. However, I'd just like to add that one of the reasons Disney the studio purchased the rights to the novel so fast could have been that they didn't read it, just read the concept and, like so many, assumed it was made for kids because "hey, talking animals". Also, also, even if they knew about the darker parts of the story, it's not like Disney has the best track record for "most faithful adaptation" of stories. There is a reason I don't mind them labeling all their films as "Walt Disney's The Little Mermaid" for example, that also takes its fair share of liberties and, among other things, gives the story a happy ending. Because yeah, it's not HC Andersens Little Mermaid, it's the Disney version. It's their retelling. (Which I understand if people have issues with, but I still prefer it too how when Coppola, for example, dared to call his adaptation Bram Stokers Dracula when he completely butchered and misinterpreted every single character from the novel. Visually stunning film, yes, but as a fan of the book I can't stand what it did to the characters).
So Disney more than likely set out to do a less faithful, more childfriendly adaptation from the very beginning, simply because they liked the core concept. So wether they took inspiration from the Belstone fox or not, it would still more than likely have become a very different film than the book.
Bluth, you madman, you nearly did it. You very nearly toppled the Mouse.
Not even close, he fell out of the running faster than people realize. He had a shot and it wasn't enough.
@@Topdoggie7I think he was better off when Spielberg had top billing; Land Before Time, An American Tale, and Secret of NIMH.
Because when it's just Bluth we get; Thumblina, Pebble and the Peguin, A Troll in Central Park, and Rock a Doodle.
@@HebiHouse Well he's not in business anymore so regardless of your opinions on his films, nobody can get him to make more.
@@Topdoggie7 yeah his Dragon Slayer Kickstarter flopped.
@@HebiHouse It'll all flop.
You should of mentioned when Tim Burton couldn't draw the fox.
I still think Tag is a peculiar name for a fox.
First (probably)
*Proceeds to watch 26 minutes and 35 seconds of epic content*
19:18 I emphatically disagree. I don't think that I would be more forgiving towards someone who led a member of my family (which is how Chief is treated in the movie) in front of an oncoming train, leading to them being struck if good fortune led to them not dying. The fact of the matter is that they led my family into a situation that would have killed them but for a miracle; that what appeared to be an attempt to kill my family failed would change nothing. Since Copper is represented as having human-like emotions and perspectives, him being a dog doesn't change things in my view.
I actually liked the edit if the original version of this better. Just casting my vote. The best part of the original was the background audio at the start. Also the law and order sound feels out of place, it’s jarring. I don’t remember it in the other version
You mispronounced Wolfgang Reitherman's first name.
Why aren't you a furry?
Because the licensing fees are too high.
Referring to China as a "communist dictatorship" is a bit questionable considering China doesn't even have the authoritarian communism of, for example, the Soviet Union. It operates on a capitalist system with a thin coat of paint.
China is totalitarian, but I agree that it is not a dictatorship. The single power rests in the CCP rather than Xi, whereas in Russia, the power rests in Putin.
I would also like to add China is very much not capitalist. There are some elements of capitalism incorporated into its economy in order to gain access to world trade, but it is far from a free market system.
@@acejax4808 ..The point of my comment was that it isn't communistic in any form of the word.
@@purplehaze2358 China follows Marxist-Leninist ideology, which combines communist ideas from Marxism with the interpretations of Marxism by Lenin.
@@acejax4808 ...Yeeah.. no. The Chinese government may claim that, but I'm fairly certain we all know better.
@@purplehaze2358 Just take one look at their policies, their foundational ideologies, and their current market regulations. I’m going to go out on a limb and say you believe that “communism” is just what Marx wrote about. It is not. It’s any system that was created using Marxism as its inspiration. If it was purely a Marxist system, then we would refer to it as “Marxist Communism” or “Marxism” rather than “Marxism-Leninism”. Leninism is an extension of Marxist ideology interpreted to favor authoritarian regimes.