Some things to point out that I've observed from this Lv. 0 Challenge video for those who don't see the problem. 1.) Ironcane knew what he was going up against right away. Where the average raider wouldn't know the strat the survivors are planning less he's seen the team do it before. 2.) Vegeta seems to be a good counter pick and twice Ironcane got to Nappa quickly . Nappa's good ki blasts and super attacks mixed with Vegeta's kicks and spammy ki blast options is great for taking out people who go down in two hits and melting the fire walls. Frieza proves to be a poor pick against this team given his ki blasts aren't as spammy til lv. 3 and his only AOE that helps is at lv 2 (or lv 4 but that's not happening) 3.) The First match had perfect civ spawn. Second one not so bad either. Despite that, neither match had Vegeta out until STM. The third match's spawns likely would of ruined the Vegeta games too. 4.) Imagine if they did bother to gain dragon change with this stall game. The Lv 4 in the second match showcases how much they can distract and take hits. Now imagine if everyone had at least Lv 1 forms to pop in and out of so they can quickly use their stuns with less risk and from less obvious angles. 5.) Waterfront seems to be one of the best maps for Raider against this set up given that most angles of approach requires an awkward climb if you don't got wall kick or mid air jump. I imagine maps that make it easier to approach the STM from every angle is more ideal for the stall game. It's good to show that this can be beaten but given the average raider won't have the know how or be aware unless everyone starts running this build, it says a lot of how insane this team comp setup is. And again, this can be way better if they did bother to level up!
The survivors had to nerf themselves hard with this play style also and it’s still close like you said if they used dragon balls and leveled up when supplies arrived it would be even more impossible.
Here’s an idea, just make all the abilities available to everyone from the jump. The gotcha elements, leveling up in order to be stronger when skill should determine a game not how long you played and rng are cringe
I think you gotta take into account the platforms people play on. I play on switch and can see how people could say that, but it’s mainly a lot of crappy teammates and choppy fps stuff that can make Raider feel like ez mode.
Honestly bro since you already know what to expect from the team from the 1st matches u had a better chance at winning. This definitely works better with random raiders
He was my first raider i bought and i love his kit definitely #1 raider for me because i don't like a lot of frieza's kit and the ginyu force is good but they just get deleted with decent players. Plus saibaman is just really funny especially when i catch a sweat with him
Even though I hate playing as raider (hated it since season 2) I only avoid it because I don't enjoy the priority There should be a queue up to be Raider, not a chance, guarantee, longer estimated time though
@@sebastianmorin9780 I feel like too many people wanna be raider, again I don't enjoy being raider/killer Friday the 13th, Dead by daylight, some other forgotten game I only tried one time similar to those & breakers, unless I'm wrong I think breakers is the only one that is struggling with a balance (Queuing up wise) with starting a match with raiders and survivors
@@sebastianmorin9780 It takes that long anyway for people who only care about Raider. The real problem was, they stupidly tried to keep flex queue around. People were complaining about their priority being high like they didnt sign up for that...
@@Triangle-2121 Thank you, and sorry to hear that. That’s the problem rn with Raider queue. It hasn’t been balanced to coexist with flex queue’s priority system.
At this point, I can imagine it being more fair if survivors’ abilities were split into two classes. Dragon Change + Passive Skills Active Skills + Passive Skills That way, you won’t waste a minute and change just to get Barrier IT’d. (Unless they’re getting nerfed in future updates).
Nerf survivor damage the mroe damage the Raider takes. Basically just add a damage cap. Other than that there’s no other way to meet all those conditions
You can't unless you limit the people you can invite. Other than that if you try to balance raiders around premades, you'll be creating a game for raider since premades have good coordination
@@gamercentral2417 Why on earth will they do that!? What will happen if your teammates get body camped or you only have four members left and have to defend the STM. Sounds like something that would create more ETM gamers than actual players.
@@raystar4745 if someone is body camping, knock back still works. But not adding a damage cap is how you get current survivor meta. Any survivor jumping will end in the raider with 50% hp or less
Man irone should say give every dollar to him on he's stream for every time he hears people say raider are OP and than he goes and say it all depends on the match. As its true i seen lots of people who does dumb stuff and when one person fails the whole teams fails. But than again its not really the players fault the game should have allowed voice chat mode on so we can tell people if the raider is coming or don't come near me if i'm down by the raider. Like i hope in futre breakers update they would upgrade the communication. Like if we can't do voice chat than maybe we can buy sentences like we can do for the raiders.
Survivors need to be nerfed this is absurd. At least increase the cool down time on their skills. The fact that they can win with no charge proves raiders aren't op.
not every skill needs the timer increased. I'd argue some need a shorter timer if not updated with something else to compensate for the timer they have.
Ya know I think against vegeta, flame wall is ineffective due to his ability to teleport and teleport support attacks (saiba/nappa) Smoke Screen might be better or Bubbles.
Iron can you go back and finish your Raider skill points video, you did Broly and I think Frieza. I noticed you didn't level damage evolution on Nappa and I'm curious on why
I know what you're trying to prove but most people really won't care about this because these builds are not what most players uses. The only time I seen these builds were in a premade, rarely ever in solo queues.
But what's weird is anyone can have these builds as with this game if you just pull one character you don't need to grind all the characters just to get some skills.
Just ran into Ak in match with one of their friends doing the same thing with me as cell. The stuns were definitely annoying to deal with, they ended up winning by stm. Still idk why they’re taking the game this seriously. I’m just trying to have fun, actually have a normal match. But don’t see that happening anytime soon. The game just isn’t fun like it used to be. I find myself only playing for an hour at the most. When before the hours would go by cause I was enjoying playing.
I think Ironcane and other steamers are causing more people to do this with these types of videos. I've rarely seen these skills in solo queues but now it might be different. Everyone who uses multiple stun especially as a premade don't know how to play and win like normal players
@@raystar4745 I’m already annoyed with how the game is in general, in the state it’s in. But if this becomes the norm, I’m really not gonna enjoy this game. Not becomes I’m scared of this more the fact that, the game is already full of try hards but that long with this is just insane.
@@tmastergaming Agree in season 1 the game was much better since you could stop shenron from getting summoned with area destruction but now it nearly impossible to do so and end up possibly losing in your level 2. Crates can be opened by raiders but once they find a power key, they can't do anything to them and that just helps the survivors. Now if the keys could be affected with a longer setting time, it would gives raiders a little more strategy to use and also a better chance of leveling up
did you not watch he's other videos. If you got to the news board there is a challenge that happens every few weeks or so. This challenge is not getting above 0 as you get extra rewards.
I tell yah i don't know irone says dokkan players are weird. I say any gamer can be weird at times but man i like how you point out why people are being at level 0 these days and still don't get why. Like the amount of lacking attention is really strong in the breakers world isn' it.
@Ironcane I'm probably gonna get a Bot Replying but I'm hoping the Devs or whoever is running this game and is looking at every single detail on this like these matches should be studied on how even at 0 FREAKING 0 they can potentially cook the Raiders it's not even funny anymore Dog like not anymore 💢😡💢
How waa that a fair match? They were all at 0 easy to take out without dragon change did well but weird not one even tryed to get dragon ages not much of a match if no one even could battle you no one hot level 1 or there dragon change
That's the entire point of this video and the previous one, survivors can stomp raiders while lvl 0, think that if they got that close while having LVL 0 then what would happen if they could ACTUALLY FIGHT
The summoned the dragon but only used videl like why that traspirhere if your aimming to win maybe if they all had dragon change n were level 1 or up they wouldnt of lost n having a raider against survivors isn’t always easy as that and not one of my games do they all stay level 0! And aleast tge summoned the dragon n nappa right there was very handy
1. Videl's Transphere has access to Justice Combination - a melee super that can lock the raider in place for a good bit when landed, while dealing decent damage. While there is definitely a Transphere tier list, it often comes down to the players behind them putting in the work over being carried easily by a top tier DC loadout (ex: Orange Piccolo with SBC at level 3) 2. The whole point of the video was to be the opposite side of how Iron participated in the "Level 0 Challenge" in a previous video - a challenge in which the Survivor(s) try to win while remaining at Level 0. Going even to Level 1 Dragon Change defeats the purpose of the run (partially why Ironcane questions the legality of them summoning Shenron in the second match) 3. On average, only a majority/full premade would ever attempt this, while there are still fringe cases of solo queuing players also participating in the challenge. The whole point of the Level 0 Challenge seems to be moreso about them proving that they can win the game despite having such a glaring gap in accessible options in comparison to the Raider via stalling them out with an STM win. While they were putting their hands behind their backs, the first two games still proved that even while "behind", Survivors can put in a mountain of work to keep the Raider at bay while they try to win
Thats not a challage at all when its like there not even trying get there level 1 for dragon change strange like ya battling people at level 0 bit unfair when there all 0s
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Some things to point out that I've observed from this Lv. 0 Challenge video for those who don't see the problem.
1.) Ironcane knew what he was going up against right away. Where the average raider wouldn't know the strat the survivors are planning less he's seen the team do it before.
2.) Vegeta seems to be a good counter pick and twice Ironcane got to Nappa quickly . Nappa's good ki blasts and super attacks mixed with Vegeta's kicks and spammy ki blast options is great for taking out people who go down in two hits and melting the fire walls. Frieza proves to be a poor pick against this team given his ki blasts aren't as spammy til lv. 3 and his only AOE that helps is at lv 2 (or lv 4 but that's not happening)
3.) The First match had perfect civ spawn. Second one not so bad either. Despite that, neither match had Vegeta out until STM. The third match's spawns likely would of ruined the Vegeta games too.
4.) Imagine if they did bother to gain dragon change with this stall game. The Lv 4 in the second match showcases how much they can distract and take hits. Now imagine if everyone had at least Lv 1 forms to pop in and out of so they can quickly use their stuns with less risk and from less obvious angles.
5.) Waterfront seems to be one of the best maps for Raider against this set up given that most angles of approach requires an awkward climb if you don't got wall kick or mid air jump. I imagine maps that make it easier to approach the STM from every angle is more ideal for the stall game.
It's good to show that this can be beaten but given the average raider won't have the know how or be aware unless everyone starts running this build, it says a lot of how insane this team comp setup is. And again, this can be way better if they did bother to level up!
I 100% only won the matches I did because I knew what I was getting into
The survivors had to nerf themselves hard with this play style also and it’s still close like you said if they used dragon balls and leveled up when supplies arrived it would be even more impossible.
Here’s an idea, just make all the abilities available to everyone from the jump. The gotcha elements, leveling up in order to be stronger when skill should determine a game not how long you played and rng are cringe
Ya'll already know there are still gonna be delusional people who say raider is op still
Cell is but that’s it
@@RyRymanbro cell is one of the worst
I think you gotta take into account the platforms people play on. I play on switch and can see how people could say that, but it’s mainly a lot of crappy teammates and choppy fps stuff that can make Raider feel like ez mode.
So like... Is this channel just 10k gas lighters or...
@@memeemporer11 I can imagine a lot of them are, this is just my opinion on the matter
20:44 Iron treating us with a quicky of *that print!* Must be part of his ongoing 10k special, my goodness!
Honestly bro since you already know what to expect from the team from the 1st matches u had a better chance at winning. This definitely works better with random raiders
Yet by his 3rd game where he was the most experienced to deal with survivors, he got slaughtered.
Random raiders would get destroyed, no doubt.
Now imagine all that but them with dragon change
My main is getting respect, he is the sayian elite
Vegeta is something
@@Boss_symbiote he's him
Yeah i love playing him and cell but in high ranks vegeta is the best pick in 90% of scenarios so guess I'm becoming a vegeta main too
i mean vegeta can still be not as good as remember it all depends who plays these raiders and the survivors if they work as a team.
Ggs! I'm sure this was unique experience for you
big fan of ur vids
@@Beanie_Guy1 thank you! Glad you enjoy them
Giving them the ol' dirty fireworks 🤣
Ah, I remember you. You were a pretty cool survivor too, Ironcane.
Broly might have been too op in this challenge with his lvl 2 charge and his barrieres
I just watched the previous video and as long as the super transphere has more than 2 braincells the challenge is possible
Ever since the buffs I viewed vegeta as one of the top 3 raiders so I think this kinda supports that
he got out of level 1 with a crazy highroll. Vegeta is too vulnerable to being jumped
He was my first raider i bought and i love his kit definitely #1 raider for me because i don't like a lot of frieza's kit and the ginyu force is good but they just get deleted with decent players. Plus saibaman is just really funny especially when i catch a sweat with him
Even though I hate playing as raider (hated it since season 2) I only avoid it because I don't enjoy the priority
There should be a queue up to be Raider, not a chance, guarantee, longer estimated time though
They tried that, it took 12 mins. to an 1+ hr(s). to find a raider game. And by the end of it, people were saying they’d rather have flex queue back.
@@sebastianmorin9780 I feel like too many people wanna be raider, again I don't enjoy being raider/killer
Friday the 13th, Dead by daylight, some other forgotten game I only tried one time similar to those & breakers, unless I'm wrong I think breakers is the only one that is struggling with a balance (Queuing up wise) with starting a match with raiders and survivors
@@sebastianmorin9780 It takes that long anyway for people who only care about Raider. The real problem was, they stupidly tried to keep flex queue around. People were complaining about their priority being high like they didnt sign up for that...
In my region Oceania when raider queue was in it took me 3 hours of matchmaking
@@Triangle-2121 Thank you, and sorry to hear that. That’s the problem rn with Raider queue. It hasn’t been balanced to coexist with flex queue’s priority system.
Survivors really need a nerf of some kind. Stuns are just way too powerful.
At this point, I can imagine it being more fair if survivors’ abilities were split into two classes.
Dragon Change + Passive Skills
Active Skills + Passive Skills
That way, you won’t waste a minute and change just to get Barrier IT’d.
(Unless they’re getting nerfed in future updates).
U destroyed them without any effort this is peak raider gameplay bruh how r u not op
This is bait right?
Now, here is the question: how do you nerf premades without hurting solo queuers, bad players and newcomers?
there is no way to do that
Nerf survivor damage the mroe damage the Raider takes. Basically just add a damage cap.
Other than that there’s no other way to meet all those conditions
You can't unless you limit the people you can invite. Other than that if you try to balance raiders around premades, you'll be creating a game for raider since premades have good coordination
@@gamercentral2417 Why on earth will they do that!? What will happen if your teammates get body camped or you only have four members left and have to defend the STM. Sounds like something that would create more ETM gamers than actual players.
@@raystar4745 if someone is body camping, knock back still works. But not adding a damage cap is how you get current survivor meta. Any survivor jumping will end in the raider with 50% hp or less
Vegeta's vanish kick is absurd
Man irone should say give every dollar to him on he's stream for every time he hears people say raider are OP and than he goes and say it all depends on the match. As its true i seen lots of people who does dumb stuff and when one person fails the whole teams fails. But than again its not really the players fault the game should have allowed voice chat mode on so we can tell people if the raider is coming or don't come near me if i'm down by the raider. Like i hope in futre breakers update they would upgrade the communication. Like if we can't do voice chat than maybe we can buy sentences like we can do for the raiders.
Survivors need to be nerfed this is absurd. At least increase the cool down time on their skills. The fact that they can win with no charge proves raiders aren't op.
I genuinely think every survivor skill needs a nerf which they have a 5-10 increase in timer
not every skill needs the timer increased.
I'd argue some need a shorter timer if not updated with something else to compensate for the timer they have.
Ya know I think against vegeta, flame wall is ineffective due to his ability to teleport and teleport support attacks (saiba/nappa) Smoke Screen might be better or Bubbles.
17:12 What u did make was a great video
Iron can you go back and finish your Raider skill points video, you did Broly and I think Frieza. I noticed you didn't level damage evolution on Nappa and I'm curious on why
i mean being nappa is useless sadly he doesn't do much for you.
Try doing this with majin buu😂 I can feel the rage from fat buu
Broly(Super) Raider is this games Unga Bunga of fighting games.
Yeah, i was there 😎
Instead of level zero, why not level 1? or is there already a video like that out...
The point of raider is to be OP, but this shows the opposite. I’m terrified as raider and feel safe as survivor.
Vegeta Best Raider in the game?!?
not all the time. He can still lose it all depends who plays vegeta and other raiders
@@mysticstrikeforce5957it was a joke
I know what you're trying to prove but most people really won't care about this because these builds are not what most players uses. The only time I seen these builds were in a premade, rarely ever in solo queues.
But what's weird is anyone can have these builds as with this game if you just pull one character you don't need to grind all the characters just to get some skills.
Just ran into Ak in match with one of their friends doing the same thing with me as cell.
The stuns were definitely annoying to deal with, they ended up winning by stm.
Still idk why they’re taking the game this seriously.
I’m just trying to have fun, actually have a normal match.
But don’t see that happening anytime soon.
The game just isn’t fun like it used to be.
I find myself only playing for an hour at the most.
When before the hours would go by cause I was enjoying playing.
I think Ironcane and other steamers are causing more people to do this with these types of videos. I've rarely seen these skills in solo queues but now it might be different. Everyone who uses multiple stun especially as a premade don't know how to play and win like normal players
@@raystar4745 I’m already annoyed with how the game is in general, in the state it’s in.
But if this becomes the norm, I’m really not gonna enjoy this game.
Not becomes I’m scared of this more the fact that, the game is already full of try hards but that long with this is just insane.
@@tmastergaming Agree in season 1 the game was much better since you could stop shenron from getting summoned with area destruction but now it nearly impossible to do so and end up possibly losing in your level 2. Crates can be opened by raiders but once they find a power key, they can't do anything to them and that just helps the survivors. Now if the keys could be affected with a longer setting time, it would gives raiders a little more strategy to use and also a better chance of leveling up
I mean we weren’t using dragon changes soo
@@SpaceGodSage they were in my match soo
They way u SMAACKED THESE PLAYERS BRUH
No way frieza is the best raider 😂
if camping is an option why not use it???
Cuz I'm not a puss!
@@ironcane ??? totally legit tactic though thats what and evil character with do though, they dont play by the rules and thats not even a rule.
"...and uh zo all those zings, you know, are available. and zo if they're available you might as well use them..." -Arnold Shwarzenegger
This team was so toxic jesus
Are the survivors not even trying get dragon charge how they even expect to win at level 0 and they even getting the dragon balls
We won 44 games straight by staying level 0
did you not watch he's other videos. If you got to the news board there is a challenge that happens every few weeks or so. This challenge is not getting above 0 as you get extra rewards.
Ironcame!!!!!!
He what???!???
Epic
Love you iron but if you wouldnt have camped they woulda packed you out round 1
Word man lol
Raider que!!!!
That’s strange why is everyone at level 0? And there doing good for level 0 but nor much of a challage since mot one has dragon charge thats easy win
its a challenge now. Go look up on the update boards and see why people are being at level 0 now.
I tell yah i don't know irone says dokkan players are weird. I say any gamer can be weird at times but man i like how you point out why people are being at level 0 these days and still don't get why. Like the amount of lacking attention is really strong in the breakers world isn' it.
@Ironcane I'm probably gonna get a Bot Replying but I'm hoping the Devs or whoever is running this game and is looking at every single detail on this like these matches should be studied on how even at 0 FREAKING 0 they can potentially cook the Raiders it's not even funny anymore Dog like not anymore
💢😡💢
bro campers never camp
How waa that a fair match? They were all at 0 easy to take out without dragon change did well but weird not one even tryed to get dragon ages not much of a match if no one even could battle you no one hot level 1 or there dragon change
That's the entire point of this video and the previous one, survivors can stomp raiders while lvl 0, think that if they got that close while having LVL 0 then what would happen if they could ACTUALLY FIGHT
there is a reward challenge now you should go look up at the news board
First, also why so toxic???
Wdym?
im ngl after seeing your frieza many times i think i can confidently say you just arent very good at playing frieza
thanks man
@@ironcane no problem goatcane
The summoned the dragon but only used videl like why that traspirhere if your aimming to win maybe if they all had dragon change n were level 1 or up they wouldnt of lost n having a raider against survivors isn’t always easy as that and not one of my games do they all stay level 0! And aleast tge summoned the dragon n nappa right there was very handy
1. Videl's Transphere has access to Justice Combination - a melee super that can lock the raider in place for a good bit when landed, while dealing decent damage. While there is definitely a Transphere tier list, it often comes down to the players behind them putting in the work over being carried easily by a top tier DC loadout (ex: Orange Piccolo with SBC at level 3)
2. The whole point of the video was to be the opposite side of how Iron participated in the "Level 0 Challenge" in a previous video - a challenge in which the Survivor(s) try to win while remaining at Level 0. Going even to Level 1 Dragon Change defeats the purpose of the run (partially why Ironcane questions the legality of them summoning Shenron in the second match)
3. On average, only a majority/full premade would ever attempt this, while there are still fringe cases of solo queuing players also participating in the challenge. The whole point of the Level 0 Challenge seems to be moreso about them proving that they can win the game despite having such a glaring gap in accessible options in comparison to the Raider via stalling them out with an STM win. While they were putting their hands behind their backs, the first two games still proved that even while "behind", Survivors can put in a mountain of work to keep the Raider at bay while they try to win
Thats not a challage at all when its like there not even trying get there level 1 for dragon change strange like ya battling people at level 0 bit unfair when there all 0s
wait being at level 0 is unfair damn
Planting Saibamen on bodies should count as body camping
Nah
no it only counts if you are camping not using a strategy to seek out people.