delta y vs. dy (differential)

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  • @richardaversa7128
    @richardaversa7128 5 років тому +347

    For those not aware, what he described is essentially Linear Approximation, or Linearization

    • @beoptimistic5853
      @beoptimistic5853 4 роки тому +1

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    • @rangertato
      @rangertato Рік тому +1

      I'm pretty sure linearization is different

    • @richardaversa7128
      @richardaversa7128 Рік тому

      @@rangertato how so?

    • @rangertato
      @rangertato Рік тому

      @@richardaversa7128 linearization is when you change one or both variables so that the resulting graph is linear, for example a y=1/x graph can be plotted as y vs 1/x instead of y vs x so that it can be analysed without calculus

    • @rayarx4213
      @rayarx4213 Рік тому +19

      @@richardaversa7128linear approximation is approximation with tangent line
      linearization is modifying curved data to make it fit a linear line of best fit

  • @johnchristian5027
    @johnchristian5027 6 років тому +370

    I like these in depth videos, they make you appreciate math more, as apposed to how you learn in high school just rushing through memorizing formulaes and rote learning solutions. Great video!

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  6 років тому +43

      Yay!! I am glad to hear this. Thank you.

    • @ramesh.programming
      @ramesh.programming 3 роки тому

      I am happy that we have teacher who at least explained this.

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  • @asadashoori5553
    @asadashoori5553 3 роки тому +43

    I finally found out what exactly differential is. I've searched on the internet, read books for a few weeks but I couldn't find a tutorial as simple as yours. I'm gonna pray for you. Thank you so much.

  • @drachaksakcha
    @drachaksakcha 5 років тому +193

    > ∆y is exact change
    that would explain why I never have any ∆y when I go to the coffee shop

  • @randomeggthatworksforthefb7172
    @randomeggthatworksforthefb7172 4 роки тому +42

    Holy moly this was so much better than my professors explanation! He literally was trying to explain the concept using marble and bread.

  • @Gaark
    @Gaark 6 років тому +211

    and now I finally understand why there's a 'dx' tacked on the end of the dif'd function :D thanks!

    • @fruityliciousk2704
      @fruityliciousk2704 4 роки тому +6

      got my mind blown recently on that part. why did nobody tell me why it is there before?

    • @swedishpsychopath8795
      @swedishpsychopath8795 11 місяців тому

      @@fruityliciousk2704 Because it is Big american secret!

  • @benburdick9834
    @benburdick9834 6 років тому +64

    This can be a great introduction into Euler's method as well!

  • @lucarosolem2628
    @lucarosolem2628 3 роки тому +11

    Mate, thank you a lot. I've been reading James Stewart's book for over an hour trying to understand what you've simplified in 10 minutes.

    • @Random-om8rq
      @Random-om8rq 2 роки тому

      Been reading Thomas Calculus on it & yea same problem.

  • @animalfarm7467
    @animalfarm7467 6 років тому +168

    Interesting, I always understood dy/dx only existed on the limit as Δx approached zero. Anything else was just delta Δy/Δx. ie dy/dx=lim Δx→0 Δy/Δx.

    • @danielschwegler5220
      @danielschwegler5220 5 років тому +48

      You were correct 100%. (d/dx)() is a function operator that takes a function f as its argument. f has to be a function on x. So (d/dx)(f) is the transformed function. The transformation is defined by the limit of the difference operator, just as you stated. (d/dx)(f) is the same as f'. It's just a different notation.
      This is ALL that makes the definition of d/dx, nothing else.
      There is NO multiplication by dx or dy whatsoever because d/dx() is ONE symbol. It's like if a teacher would tell you to divide both sides of the equation sin(2x)=1 by s to get in(2x)=1/s.
      So, what is done is symbolical manipulations that give you the name of a desired function, e.g. a solution of a differential equation. Hence it's a useful method but the method is formally not mathematical. So, those steps are no more mathematical than, let's say, you make your teacher deliver you a solution of cos(x-sin(×)+sqrt(x))=2 by threatening him to burn his dog. It's a valid and effortless method to get the solution. Once you have it, you can valit it. That threath is a non formally mathematical method just like multiplying by dx.
      Importantly, we need to consider why the method works. That reason is of course mathematical. In abstract Algebra operations on objects called dx are defined and it is useful. So, there differentials are from a different perspective.

    • @Kokurorokuko
      @Kokurorokuko 4 роки тому +1

      yes, this is the best way to explain it.

    • @Davith_D
      @Davith_D Рік тому +3

      ​I disagree slightly with the reply above.
      While (d/dx)(f) is the 'primitive' notion, its existence implies that of the differentials, and the relationship between the two is more than 'symbolical manipulations'.
      If y = f(x), then the differentials of x and y, 'dx' and 'dy', satisfy the equation dy = dx · f'(x) -- this makes it permissible to swap f'(x) with dy/dx (noting that dx is non-zero). It is customary for dx = Δx.
      The differentials are then valid objects in their own right, and f being differentiable implies their existence always -- not just 'on the limit'.
      The important property at the limit of dx → 0 is that Δy and dy coincide; but the value dy/dx can be considered for non-limit values of dx -- this will in general be distinct from Δy/Δx.

    • @wolframalpha8634
      @wolframalpha8634 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@Davith_D spot on! In simpler terms as ∆x approaches 0, the values of dy and ∆y will appear to coincide, and this takes place at an infinitesimal level, where ∆y is the change in the value of function 'f(x)' and dy is the change in the value of the Tangent line/ derivative function 'L(x)'.This can be understood using the concept of local linearity. If you zoom closely into a function 'f(x)' which is a differentiable curve, the function tends to look and behave like a line around a certain point on the function 'f(a)'. Around 'f(a)' the function will resemble the unique tangent that exists at that point which happens to be the derivative of the function at that point 'L(x)'. For the x value 'a' , f(a) = L(a), also with regard to the current situation, it appears as if f(a+∆x) = L(a+∆x), this only happens as long as ∆x is infinitesimally close to zero, and when dy = ∆y. Hence approximating the value of f(x) around f(a) using it's derivative L(x) and approximating the slope of the tangent like L(x) using values around f(a) is possible. Based on this we can conclude that the ratio of (dy/dx) does exist at a certain point f(a) when dy = ∆y.

  • @451error8
    @451error8 Місяць тому

    Just did a calc midterm and this video would've bumped me up from a 70% to an 80%. For the sake of future math tests, you will be my new professor!

  • @saranikolic2283
    @saranikolic2283 4 роки тому +3

    Thank you so much!
    I'm rewatching this video after 6 months. The idea is very clear, and the explanations were understandable. This helps me a lot.

  • @JamalAhmadMalik
    @JamalAhmadMalik 6 років тому +36

    It was what I needed today.

  • @aubreydosto1894
    @aubreydosto1894 3 роки тому +1

    I watched your video to learn actually but I suddenly smile when you're looking and smiling at the camera. How cute of you💕

  • @HaloWolf102
    @HaloWolf102 3 роки тому +1

    Haven't took an intertest in Math ever, even when I was doing this in school.
    I always came across the Delta symbol in Wiki articles whenever I was looking up information. This defined it quite well.

  • @anjanasahu8416
    @anjanasahu8416 Рік тому +1

    With the god pen switching technique he also writes so fast that I didn’t see him writing 7:04 “just an approximated”
    A man with so much talent !

  • @smrtfasizmu6161
    @smrtfasizmu6161 4 роки тому +2

    This channel is fantastic, I thought that dx and dy were delta x and delta y when delta x approaches zero. That they really make sense only when they are divided by each other and that we can sometimes use them separately but that was just a math trick. Apparently, dx and dy are not necessarily going to zero, they are just delta x and delta y of the tangent line which is determinate by the derivative. The only thing is that ratio dy/dx has to be equal to the ratio of delta y/delta x in the limit when delta x - >0.

  • @TranquilSeaOfMath
    @TranquilSeaOfMath Рік тому

    I like the graphs you include to assist your instruction and listener understanding.

  • @saeedgul3040
    @saeedgul3040 4 роки тому

    Impressed with the way you explained such a technical concept with sweet and smiley face
    Thanks

  • @MarcoYeungChannel
    @MarcoYeungChannel 6 років тому +48

    This makes my concept clear now! Thanks

  • @alegian7934
    @alegian7934 6 років тому +5

    I love how you show real uses of theoretical calculus. Liked 😉

  • @hoteny
    @hoteny 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks. My math teacher just wouldnt tell me what the heck was a dx or dy or d in general (only told me it was differential)
    This was a good explaining

  • @domrushton9651
    @domrushton9651 3 роки тому

    Thanks mate by far the easiest explanation vid I have found on UA-cam. You must be a great tutor 👍

  • @chaosend3815
    @chaosend3815 5 років тому +3

    Thank you very much! I am revisiting this topic in Calc 3 and now I get it

  • @kharolemiliavillamontemont9769
    @kharolemiliavillamontemont9769 2 роки тому +1

    Im gonna cry right now bc i got a 1.5/10 on my calc test bcz of this thing and you just made my life a lil bit better i cant thank you enough fr

    • @archivedinitialresearchcha1015
      @archivedinitialresearchcha1015 2 роки тому

      Hang in there. Most of us did the same. Just keep doing limit problems...at some point, and it's different for everybody, your brain will thoroughly grasp the concept and application.

  • @andreysmirnov3388
    @andreysmirnov3388 3 місяці тому

    Great explanation, searched a lot but this one is amazing!

  • @maskedmarvyl4774
    @maskedmarvyl4774 Рік тому

    I was with you until 8:03, when you mentioned that the derivative of the square root of x is one over 2 multiplied by the square root of x.
    I know that the square root of x over x will give you the same ratio as the number one divided by the square root of x; but I'm not sure how you got to the derivative you mentioned above.

    • @robertjr8205
      @robertjr8205 Рік тому

      All late you probably figured it out by now lol but you can write sqrt of x as (x)^1/2. That’s what it is in exponential form. 1 on top power and 2 on bottom means root.
      So: (x)^1/2
      dy/dx = 1/2(x)^-1/2 bc we move exponent down and subtract by 1.
      So rewrite in sqrt form
      dy/dx = 1/(2sqrtx)

  • @GottfriedLeibniz5
    @GottfriedLeibniz5 8 місяців тому

    dy is also a change like ∆y but this change is estimated value. Calculus can pull out very detailed information.

  • @TheStargazer1221
    @TheStargazer1221 3 роки тому

    My boi is slaying the professors with a 10$ mic.

  • @keypo790
    @keypo790 Рік тому

    d(f (x)/dx is a shortway hand of writing delta-y/delta-x when back then they used to find derivatives manually by plugging in delta-x minus h, i recall, they dont have shortcut formula for doing it, now d(f(x)/dy aka dy/dx is now used to implicitly tell that what its doing is approximation

  • @DeeEm2K
    @DeeEm2K 6 років тому +6

    That cleared out some of my back of the mind doubts

  • @josephlively2524
    @josephlively2524 4 роки тому

    WOW! This is one of the best videos on UA-cam.

  • @sarwathussain9074
    @sarwathussain9074 5 років тому +2

    Can you please share what course are you studying. Your knowledge of calculus is soo coool

  • @Solo-lb3mq
    @Solo-lb3mq 2 роки тому

    so dy/dx is used if you want to find the straight line right? Like, "if the line doesn't bend because of the √x, where would it be if the starting point is at x=4"

  • @anonymousfigure37
    @anonymousfigure37 6 років тому +9

    so Δy/Δx gives the exact slope of a secant line, but only the approximate slope of the tangent line. and dy/dx gives the exact slope of the tangent line, but only the approximate slope of a secant line. maybe I'm wrong but this feels like a succinct way to understand the utilities of Δy and dy and the symmetry between them.

  • @swedishpsychopath8795
    @swedishpsychopath8795 11 місяців тому +1

    This is the best explanation ever! Thank you!

    • @agautam5208
      @agautam5208 10 місяців тому

      His geometric representation is wrong 😊 go and check mit Herbert gross lecture approximation

  • @brucefrancisyang8816
    @brucefrancisyang8816 3 роки тому

    its very useful for me ,ive just confused by the class course ,when i saw this video ,it makes my brain clear again

  • @gunaleswaran
    @gunaleswaran Рік тому

    Thank you sir for posting such great video .I couldn't understand what is the difference between delta and differential.But now iam Clear with that.Such a great explanation ❤

  • @iliabarani6766
    @iliabarani6766 6 місяців тому +1

    Nice content man, it really helped

  • @Qoow8e1deDgikQ9m3ZG
    @Qoow8e1deDgikQ9m3ZG 5 років тому +2

    I always thought dx≅0, dy=some function(dx)≅0, but ratio dy/dx gives some real values .... but why we can put dx=1? isn't it was allowed only to put something small like dx=0.00001 instead ?

    • @TechToppers
      @TechToppers 5 років тому +1

      Then dy will get more accurate.

    • @pedrolib
      @pedrolib 2 роки тому

      "small" and "big" are all imprecise and relative notions when numbers are concerned. the closer dx gets to zero, the closer dy gets to Δy (more precise is the approximation). you can arguably put dx equal to any number (1, 0.1, 0.0000...001), and you'll use the result that suits you the most

  • @bigrobbyd.6805
    @bigrobbyd.6805 6 років тому +3

    Your videos really remind me of just how much I've forgotten. :)

  • @garybort
    @garybort 6 років тому +42

    I’m stuck because I don’t have a calculator with me 😆

  • @GabrielsEpicLifeofGoals
    @GabrielsEpicLifeofGoals 6 місяців тому

    So, a great oversimplification of this explanation is that dy/dx are the limit where DELTA x -> 0 of DELTA y / DELTA x ?

  • @masonr1666
    @masonr1666 8 місяців тому

    So, to summarize:
    "Delta" y = dy-h
    Where h is the difference between two points of a graph/ equation.
    As h approaches 0, then "deta y" = dy getting + an ever decreasing value [if the limit exists. ]

    • @masonr1666
      @masonr1666 8 місяців тому

      I am surprised they don't "totally over shoot" like by 10 or more, then reduce to 5, then 2, then 1 to show the actual process of taking a limit. That way you can see it better...

  • @maven12LA
    @maven12LA 3 роки тому +1

    You’re a good teacher. Thanks

  • @rokseyha1343
    @rokseyha1343 2 роки тому

    Thank you for this explanation. It really make me understand better

  • @ghassanneamah5104
    @ghassanneamah5104 5 років тому

    find dy/dx for y^-3/5=sec^-1*sqrtx* 4^lnx / y^2*lnx* tan^-1 *2x i try solving this derivatives .tanks allot

  • @mrmeowtv6248
    @mrmeowtv6248 6 років тому

    I understand how you defined dy as the approximate change in y-values of the function, but can you say it is the exact change in y-value for the tangent line at the point dy/dx was calculated on y = root(x)?

    • @martinepstein9826
      @martinepstein9826 6 років тому

      The way he defined it, yes. It's exactly like Delta y but for the tangent line function instead of the sqrt() function. In any calculus class you will ever take, no. dx and dy are not variables so we can't plug in numbers for dx and see what we get for dy. We can't even find values for dy and dx since they aren't numbers. They're a notation shortcut for certain equations involving limits.

  • @michalbotor
    @michalbotor 5 років тому +1

    are there any bad differentiable functions for which the differential dy is not a good approximation of their change Δy, no matter how small Δx we pick?

  • @LynZai
    @LynZai 3 роки тому

    thank you, you make it so easy to understand what exactly does "d"y mean.

  • @saranzaibkhan890
    @saranzaibkhan890 5 років тому

    very simple to understand.. thanks dear... but the question i have is.. if taking differentiation of a funtion gives rate of change. and called derivative.. and the reverse is called integration..right?? then it has to be the main function again. why it gives the area under curve??. and in this case the origional function in first place suppose to be the area under curve.

  • @Infinitesap
    @Infinitesap 6 років тому +1

    You are out off this world! Amazing understading you have. I love your videos and the way you just explains stuff my teachers never was capable of.
    Thanks very much.

  • @ArpitaMondal-rr2vx
    @ArpitaMondal-rr2vx Рік тому

    How will be the curve if the value of delta y is negative?

  • @geetsangeetmanoranjan
    @geetsangeetmanoranjan 6 місяців тому

    What if x2 taken so big say 449397, then dy become way higher than exact change in y (∆y) then how to write ∆y ≈ dy

  • @thequestions7013
    @thequestions7013 4 роки тому

    Thank you Sir....
    A student from India...
    They skip this in class and say to memorize the formuals...

  • @tony91200211
    @tony91200211 6 років тому +14

    This is so dope

  • @pingueaeron
    @pingueaeron 3 роки тому +1

    I was wondering if, when deriving equations such as momentum equation in aerodynamics, delta P can also be rewritten as dP since both essentially mean change in pressure?

  • @hananehassine3453
    @hananehassine3453 3 роки тому

    finally i've understood the difference betwen derivatives and differential thaaaaaaanks

  • @danielbickford3458
    @danielbickford3458 2 роки тому

    Kind of curious why instead of =DX mathematicians don't use the wavy equal sign Delta X. Doesn't the wavy equal sign mean almost equals to?

  • @HD-vu5vv
    @HD-vu5vv 3 роки тому

    Wow, nunca pensé que le entendería a lo que explicaba este man en sus videos, pero me ha servido para la tarea de cálculo xd

  • @kirasussane1556
    @kirasussane1556 5 років тому +4

    Thanks so much for these videos
    I can't understand math the way is teach it in school

  • @rikeshpoudel7462
    @rikeshpoudel7462 5 років тому

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  • @rihamission487
    @rihamission487 Рік тому

    You explained the difference between delta y and dy. But what is the difference between delta x and dx?

  • @pocojoyo
    @pocojoyo 4 роки тому

    I remember a Mathematics graduate talking about "infinitesimals" when explaining this to me. Fortunately I read an economics book that had this same explanation. Im glad to see it here again. You describe dy as an approximation of delta. But can we say delta y/delta x is an approximation of dy/dx for small values of delta x, right ?

    • @pocojoyo
      @pocojoyo 4 роки тому

      @Falchion [SSBU] my mistake. I meant dy/dx

    • @pocojoyo
      @pocojoyo 4 роки тому

      @Falchion [SSBU] Of course, we are talking here about small dx

    • @pocojoyo
      @pocojoyo 4 роки тому

      @Falchion [SSBU] of course, but you can make dx as small as you like without being 0.

  • @astrophien4253
    @astrophien4253 4 роки тому

    This video saved my life two times

    • @beoptimistic5853
      @beoptimistic5853 4 роки тому +1

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  • @Nonsense116
    @Nonsense116 Рік тому

    Excellent explanation! Thank you!

  • @omarifady
    @omarifady 6 років тому

    Hello , I’m so curious to know what is (i)! , I reached to two integrals from 0 to infinity of e^-t *cos(lnt) dt and the second e^-t *sin(lnt) dt . but I couldn’t continue , could you do I video for that? Thanks 🙏

    • @sebastiangudino9377
      @sebastiangudino9377 6 років тому

      Factorial is only defined for positive integers, and extended using the gamma function. I think the backgroudn for the calculation of Gamma(i) is out of the scope of this chanel, but if you want someone to help you with that you should probably ask about it on math stack exchange or a similar site

    • @omarifady
      @omarifady 6 років тому

      Sebastian Gudiño I found the solution , my problem wasn’t in gamma function, my problem was just these integrals and then I’ll be done . to solve theses integrals unfortunately I couldn’t solve it , so I used wolpharm alpha. Thanks alot!🙏

  • @vankahunandareddy8093
    @vankahunandareddy8093 4 роки тому

    Thank you sir for your clear explanation

  • @youtubeuser2587
    @youtubeuser2587 6 років тому +2

    Do one with Sigma and Integral too!!

  • @alfonsocastillosuarez5925
    @alfonsocastillosuarez5925 4 роки тому

    Loved the explanation, really helped me

  • @panagosu
    @panagosu 6 років тому

    Why did we assume that dx=Δx? Is it an exact value or a very good approximation?
    I am kinda unfamiliar with the use of differentials. I have only used them in integrals, and i guess in differentiation, although i have only just started using the dy/dx notation.

    • @martinepstein9826
      @martinepstein9826 6 років тому

      Typically you choose whatever change in x you want, so this part is exact. The associated change in y will be approximate.

  • @georget8008
    @georget8008 4 роки тому

    Is there a dy definition without using derivative.
    Approximations can also be achieved by regression. Is this the meaning of your remark regarding derivative?

  • @dr.rahulgupta7573
    @dr.rahulgupta7573 3 роки тому

    Thanks for making my concepts more clear . DrRahul Rohtak

  • @AnathematizedMage
    @AnathematizedMage 6 років тому +1

    Great explanation! Great video.

  • @soyeecheung5080
    @soyeecheung5080 4 роки тому

    Bravo!! Crystal clear explanation!!

  • @santoshp6376
    @santoshp6376 4 роки тому

    thank you very much. now I actually understand what differentiation tells us.

  • @CTT36544
    @CTT36544 5 років тому

    I think it would be better to further include sth in Taylor expansion. For example, the 2nd order derivative and the concept of reminder

  • @waheedbhatti7084
    @waheedbhatti7084 4 роки тому

    Excellent explanations.... 👌👌

  • @MrRenanwill
    @MrRenanwill 5 років тому

    Exacly saying, for all x and y and a real valued two times differentiable function on [x,y], there exist a number t in (0,1) such that f(x)-f(y)-df(y)(x-y)=1/2 d^2f(y+t(x-y))(x-y)^2. So... the number of correct digits in the approximation is,roughly, the square of the distance |x-y|. Then, if |x-y|

  • @robertleo3561
    @robertleo3561 3 роки тому

    what if I pick x=sqrt(pi) ?? I dont understand

  • @isobar5857
    @isobar5857 5 років тому

    If delta y is the exact change then what are we bothering with dy? What's the point?

  • @asdsliet
    @asdsliet 3 роки тому

    This video save my life

  • @yeast4529
    @yeast4529 5 років тому

    If dy is the approximated change in y, then what does the d mean in y(d/dx) since this is equal to dy/dx

    • @sixtysixx3933
      @sixtysixx3933 5 років тому +4

      D means derivative, and in your example, usually people would put (d/(dx)) in front of y so it's like d/(dx) y, meaning derivative of y but in respect to x.

  • @zunairasajid7348
    @zunairasajid7348 5 років тому

    I really appreciate your hardwork. Thank you.

  • @razor1869
    @razor1869 6 років тому

    Can you please tell me how to graph |y-1|=|ln(-|x|+1)| PLEASE

  • @cesarmendoza8959
    @cesarmendoza8959 6 років тому

    Todos los videos están muy interesantes. Hace una semana descubrí esta página y desde entonces he visto varios videos y todos me han gustado. Muchas gracias.
    Tengo algunas preguntas, sobre temas de matemáticas que no puedo hacer por este medio, si tienes un correo donde pueda enviar archivos y/o imágenes, agradecería me lo enviaras.
    Soy profesor retirado pero sigo estando interesado en aprender y en esta pagina he aprendido mucho. Felicitaciones blackpenredpen y gracias de nuevo.

    • @sebastiangudino9377
      @sebastiangudino9377 6 років тому

      Este comentario esta bastante fuera de lugar en un canal en ingles manejado por un asiatico con chino como lengua nativa. Ademas pedir informacion personal de esa forma no es una practica que se suela llevar en un medio como youtube que se basa en el concepto de comunidad. Si tienes interes en hacer preguntas sobre matematicas que sean respondidas por gente con conocimiento de la materia un sitio como Math Stack Exchange puede ser ideal para ti. Pero es un sitio donde se habla en ingles, y tu comentario en español, me hace creer que no dominas ese lenguaje. Pero estoy seguro de que debe existir algun sitio similar en español. Una busqueda de google te podria dar buenos resultados

  • @shofibahalwan402
    @shofibahalwan402 6 років тому

    Can you add 3 or 5 exercises for us to try this and see for ourselves? Thank you.

  • @yashagarwal3999
    @yashagarwal3999 5 років тому

    U explaination very well u were very cool throughout the video

  • @ganchimegganbaatar5515
    @ganchimegganbaatar5515 4 роки тому +1

    It's very very clear now. Thank you soooooooo much

  • @soyoltoi
    @soyoltoi 6 років тому

    Where does the infinitesimal come into the story?

  • @ListentoGallegos
    @ListentoGallegos 6 років тому +12

    this is linearization

    • @carultch
      @carultch 5 років тому

      Which is the first two terms of the Taylor Series.

  • @brololler
    @brololler 5 років тому

    can you also compare and contrast with del y?

  • @AshutoshSingh_Rajput
    @AshutoshSingh_Rajput 3 роки тому

    Why did u put x=4 and not 5 in the last??? Help!

  • @eugeneimbangyorteza
    @eugeneimbangyorteza 4 роки тому +1

    It's like the difference between summation and integraiton

  • @frankharr9466
    @frankharr9466 5 років тому +1

    That always drove me nuts. I finally decided it was change in y over change in x. But instantanious, not when delta x is greater than 0.

    • @smrtfasizmu6161
      @smrtfasizmu6161 4 роки тому +1

      wel, as you can see dy is delta y of the tangent line and dx is delta x of the tangent line. Now, that tangent line is determinate by the derivative dy/dx has to be equal to the delta y of a function divided by delta x of the function in the limit when delta x - > 0.
      As far as I understand, delta x when x approaches 0 doesn't have meaning on its own, but the ratio has. We are asking what number is the ratio approaching to as the delta x of the function approaches 0. And that "approaching" (which is a jargon word, the real word is limit) is defined by epsilon, delta definition.

    • @frankharr9466
      @frankharr9466 4 роки тому

      @@smrtfasizmu6161
      Yes, that is exactly what frustated me, because I to figure something similar out on my own.

    • @smrtfasizmu6161
      @smrtfasizmu6161 4 роки тому

      @@frankharr9466 I mean that's how yo learn math by figuring stuff on your own. If you watched this video and changed opiniomabout dy and dx you again figured the stuff on your own, hopefully this time with more success. People help you learn by pointing out way your interpretation is wrong and why the actual interpretation is correct. Not having figured it out on your own means you just learned something by heart without understanding. If you understand something you always have a mental picture of it that's only yours and that others can't see. After watching or listening to explanation of other people you can change that mental picture but you can never "download" someone else's mental picture. I remember explaining a friend trigonometry. He was in the same class as I was, he listened to the same professor that I was, but he got different mental image about what is going on then me. Until I figured out exactly what his mental image was, said to him that it was wrong and explained to him that it was wrong, I couldn't help him, he just wouldn't understand. When I was presenting him what's actually going on, his brain tricked him that his mental image is the same as what he was listening. I had to understand exactly how he figured it out and say that it is wrong and why it is wrong. That's not to say that I didn't figure it out on my own just as he did, except that I figured it out correctly. We were both listening to the same stuff in the class and we got different mental images. This is what's happening most of the time when people don't understand a topic, the mental image in their brain doesn't correspond to reality, they don't understand why and how, but they see that their mental picture doesn't make good predictions, so they know it is wrong, they just don't know why. But you can't learn anything without creating mental image in your mind. Understanding something means that your mental image corresponds to reality.

  • @materioverda1655
    @materioverda1655 4 роки тому

    Very concise, very understandable. Thanks.

  • @developerg7057
    @developerg7057 2 роки тому

    thanks, you are my math god

  • @ayoubmerzak1733
    @ayoubmerzak1733 6 років тому +1

    Thank you for the great content. I have got one question please: given dy/dx=1/(2*sqrt(x)) then why do we have to multiply 1/(2*sqrt(x)) by dx if we would like to calculate the integral of dy/dx such : ∫ dy/dx = ∫ [1/(2*sqrt(x))] * dx ? I hope to get an answer :)

  • @JhonElDeSistemas
    @JhonElDeSistemas 6 років тому

    It's amazing your explanation.
    Thanks

  • @martinepstein9826
    @martinepstein9826 6 років тому +5

    Do you have a source for those definitions of dx and dy? They look completely wrong to me.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  6 років тому

      ?

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  6 років тому +2

      dy=f'(x) dx, and you take dx as delta x, that's pretty much it.

    • @martinepstein9826
      @martinepstein9826 6 років тому +3

      If you're doing rigorous real analysis then dy=f'(x) dx means "Delta y is asymptotic to f'(x)*Delta x as Delta x approaches 0", and if you're not doing rigorous real analysis then dx and dy might be infinitesimals. But under no circumstance are dx and dy plain old real numbers. "Let dx = -0.002" is like saying "Let 5 = 3".
      [edit] or maybe like saying "let rectangle (0,0)(0,3)(1,3)(1,0) = 3". It's not a variable, and even if it was it's not the same kind of object.

    • @martinepstein9826
      @martinepstein9826 6 років тому +2

      And I'm not denying that your method gives the right answers. I would be perfectly happy if you'd said
      f'(x) = dy/dx ~= Delta y/Delta x
      Therefore Delta y ~= f'(x) Delta x

    • @thespectre2012
      @thespectre2012 6 років тому

      let y=f(x)...
      let delta-x be small change in x so that it results delta-y change in y.
      If lim delta-y tends to 0, it is dy. And if the delta-x u took is so small that it is near to 0, like 0.0001, then it is dx.

  • @dime8961
    @dime8961 4 роки тому

    wait, so the entire premise of linear approximation is to approximate a curve using its derivative?