(131)The Vengeance Class Dreadnought, Early Design History
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- Опубліковано 6 кві 2022
- In today's episode of Truth OR Myth Beta, we're taking a look at the Vengeance Class Dreadnought as first seen in Star Trek Into Darkness. I hope you enjoy!
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Very impressed by how all the various characters, which are essentially from different shows and/or timelines were knitted into a single story arc. Bravo!!!
Thank you so much Guy :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics You have an excellent imagination and to have the ability to tie it all together with relative ease is astonishing.
Awwww, thank you so much Eric, that means a lot :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics You're Welcome.
That was one well made remake. Outstanding story. I like that Lorca was the one to find Kahn that was a cool touch to actually include many of the characters of Discovery
Thank you :) I like to weave a good tale ;)
If you have this ship on star trek online:
You know violence is sometimes necessary.
And the kelvin intel dreadnought cruiser is the one you want to be in front of the battle.
I love this ship and class it just looks sleek and pissed at the same time. Any ship that would be in her crosshairs you know that captains first order was " Bring me my brown pants!"
Great video as always. Yes of course Nerd Approved!!
As always, thank you so much!
If the Kelvin timeline continues, I would hope to see the Vengeance design get pulled out when the borg arrives. Imagine the Vengeance replace the Enty-E in first contact when it flew over the damaged defiant
Finally! I was waiting for the vengeance. Nicely made!
Thanks you so much Cunard!
It's great to see that you finally have a CG model of the Enterprise A. Can't wait to see you make BETA videos about that starship.
Indeed :) I feel VERY lucky... Though its not fully complete yet ;)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Is that a reference to how the CG model in Beyond wasn't finished from all angles?
LOL No, it's a direct reference to the 3D Model I have, as I havent finished importing all of it's assets in to Space Engine ;)
This was an excellent use of the medium. Not just "check out this cool thing that didn't get enough love", but "let's play with the idea of what we known and how it would fit in an alternate timeline". Great example of how to merge ideas from a different timeline and how to make things fit. It added weight and "reality" to Kelvin timeline. Bravo.
What an amazing Vengence model!!! Just WOW!
I really enjoyed the story you put together from the piecemeal fragments of the lore. The only thing I wonder about is mothballing the Vengence program. The one sad truth about governments is that once a tech exists, no matter the ethics behind it, a government will capitalize and build on it to give them any advantage over potential adversaries. The Federation/Klingon cold war during Kirks' time is just one example.
I know right? :)
And to answer your question about the Mothballing, well there will be a future video that will answer ALL those questions ;) Remember, all I said was that the Vengeance Class was Mothballed ;)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics - Haha! Yup! I remember.
Hey, man... I hope you have a wonderful one!
You too my friend! :)
I'd like to think that elements and technology of the Vengeance were used for the kelvinverse Excelsior program.
This ship always reminds me of a bottle opener. Fun video
Lol
Into darkness makes just this much more sense now, thanks a bunch. Really good video.
Youre very welcome :) It's what Im here for ;)
My nickname for this bird is "the Galaxy Class from Hell"- granted that was before we got a view of the World Razer from Picard lol (great ship design, terrible name)
I'm a fan of the unique saucer; with some modification you could really add in some interior facing shuttle/fighter bays a la the Lucrehulk from Star Wars
Nice work on this video! The story is absolutely seamless.
I wonder if something similar could be done to extend the backstory of the U.S.S. Prometheus from Star Trek: Voyager.
We'll have to wait and see what I cook up for that class :) PS Thank you :)
I love that, because we’ll likely never see another Kelvinverse media, this could very well be canon
Likely?! Theyre working on the 4th film now...
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics wasn’t aware of that, but hey, more Star Trek!
Appreciate the work you put into these.
Thank you :)
👏👏👏👏 LOVE this episode! Thank you for sharing!
You're VERY Welcome! :) Thanks for the support Beast :)
Very cool stuff. That is a fantastic ship right there, definitely a bad puppy.
Sure is! :)
Hell yeah! Great video man!
Thank you! Glad you liked it! :)
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and well executed and very nicely informatively explained in every detail way shape and form possibly provided indeed, And I myself own the Eaglemoss diecast model and the Hotwheels dicast model as well of the Vengeance class Starship,👌.
Thank you! Cheers!
Very impressed with your thought process and how you come up with your stories. Thank you for keeping us or me entertained. They should hire you as a writer for any ST series. 🖖
Thank you very much for this nice Information. Very nice Modells
Thank you, and yes, Marc and Alex are AMAZING 3D Modelers!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics yes the are
Fascinating. Thank you for all that background info. Trusting Khan to design a ship for you always seemed far too risky. But the core idea of Khan that a Starship should have a much smaller crew, especially in times of war, is sound. I am sure that the "sentient" ship AI will return, if not in a Vengeance class then in another class of ship.
I look forward to your future stories of the success or failure of the Vengeance class successors.
Youre welcome, and seeing how Marcus was in the movie, Id say he loved to take risks! :)
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I mean, this IS the same man who wanted to force a war with the Klingons.
Great story as always! I would LOVE to see how this class would do against the Borg Cube! ;-)
I love how you put discovery in there!
Thanks :)
Good story I like that one immensely.
8:17 Minus the disc and nacelles, it kind of looks like Serenity
Very cool vid with very cool graphics. Wonder if there was a Miranda class in the Kelvin universe.
Very impressive video, and the weaving together of the characters and events from different eras is very clever.
Unfortunately this ship has always been an issue for me.
In The Wrath of Khan the USS Reliant was a more modern cruiser, roughly equivalent to the refit USS Enterprise. Reliant gained an advantage through an almost perfect ambush, but when it came to the second fight in the Mutara Nebula the 2 ships were very evenly matched, with Kirk and his command teams experience at space warfare eventually proving decisive against the inexperience of Khan and his crew. But all the way through, Reliant always felt like she was a match for Enterprise - in almost every exchange of fire, the Enterprise took more punishment and casualties (the image of the Enterpise's port torpedo bay being engulfed in flames from the Reliant's phaser hits and the crew members caught in the inferno is still haunting).
And then the "not a remake" Into Darkness came along, and pitted its version of the Enterprise against a massively overgunned and overpowered superdreadnought with an edgy name... With the obvious and completely predictable result - because plot.
This is clever
Can Paramount seriously just hire you as a lore master now?
Great Story:)
Thank you! 🙂
Thank you for filling in the humongous plot holes JJ Abrams totally ignored.
I have always wondered what a Mirandaish version would look like.
Maybe one day we'll find out :)
the Vengence is starfleets version of the Scimitar from nemesis.
Where did the scene with Marcus and the old Prime Connie design come from?
Its not a bad design. The features portrayed and the armor plating made the Vegeance a ship well tailored for war.
The Vengeance Class should have been Starfleet's new standard of starships across the board. they would have dominated the Alpha and Beta quadrants with ease.
Brain scans and computers....hmm sounds familiar....
I know I'm a year late but I loved hearing this story. I agree with firebirdone03 that it was cool to hear Lorca be the one to find Khan. I liked seeing the Enterprise-A at the end of the video. I have a 3D printed model of the Enterprise-A from Star Trek Beyond. It's definitely a better design compared to her predecessor.
You did good. But this goes to show all the complications of a prime, alternate and stupid (Discovery premise) timelines. It's also why I have come to hate time travel episodes because it makes it all the more murky. But you did a very good job of making it make better sense. Again I say you should be in the writing dream team for ST.
Thanks for this awesome and very well made vid ! where do you find those 3d CG scenes ? Star trek online? BTW the USS Vengeance is my favorite ship design, so badass ! about Khann, I always dream/thought that he was from Krypton,just like the vilains in Superman. There is some common point isn't it?
it is a brute, that is for sure. i am not a big fan of the cut out in the saucer section though.
The whole “not being able to attack another ship at warp” makes perfect sense, it also go against every episode of Trek with space battles.
Sorry but you're incorrect about that, as in TOS the Enterprise OFTEN fights other ships while BOTH are at Warp!
The look swap for Khan sounded least plausible
The Vengance has grown on me a lot over the years, mostly thanks to ST:O. The movie is came from might still be trash but at least it gave us this badass battleship
*KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHN!*
I will never understand why a ship designer would put a massive structural weakness in form of a giant hole right in the middle of the saucer section, where its core systems would be the safest, presenting the enemy with that much more surface area to attack.
Also, why does a ship with such a minimized crew need so many windows everywhere still, all structural weaknesses? And that on a designated DREADNOUGHT cruiser, whose purpose is to be as rugged, tough and survivable as possible.
A clear case of looks before sense and function.
Why didn't Starfleet use any of this technology or rebuild this ship? This would had giving them a huge advantage.
A very good video! I would have enjoyed more information on the shielding and Weapons Systems aboard the vengeance..... but the story was very well-told!
Well, you cant please everyone :P
5:55 - Ah, yes...the notorious *Khan Harrison:* one of the deadliest *pre-Luther Sloan* Section 31 operatives in Starfleet's history.
Non notification squad
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Am I crazy or is there a missing video about the ATLAS class? I swear to god I watched this video, I even remember things like "They sold the Vulcan moon on expectations" and that the ship had two reactors and in the end it was a failure. But I can't find this video anywhere, did it exist or did I cross some form of portal to an alternate reality where it doesn't exist? @V@
2:20 this is a deleted scene?
Was that the Enterprise-A I just saw?
:)
What story will you give her? Since the Kelvin Comics are done, there hasn’t been a new story out for months. I was hoping they’d face off the Borg in that timeline (look up Star Trek: Boldly Go)
Youll have to wait and see ;) #NoSpoilers
Everytime I hear M1 computer core, I think of the apple CPU
Should have just asked Ambassador Spock to give a full debriefing of possible threats, and any details of new technologies that would assist Starfleet.
It's not like the timeline wasn't already totally contaminated, with the destruction of Vulcan.
Except he answered that he vowed never to do that in the movie... Besides, it wouldnt be very moral or honorable!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Transwarp beaming was a very big Technological leap however, and Ambassador Spock introduced it.
That by itself is going to have a big effect on the timeline, _it already did,_ Khan used it to get to Kronos [setting into motion the chain of events that led to the Vengeance crashing into San Francisco].
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In fact Transwarp beaming has just drastically changed the balance of power - Starfleet could just beam Special Forces (or a destructive device) into the High Council chambers on Kronos _from Earth._
Just working roughly with improvised equipment, Spock was able to beam Kirk and Scotty onto a ship _in Warp._
Starfleet could beam a assault force into any Klingon ship without warning, and hijack it with a simultaneous attack on the bridge and engineering to gain control and then shut off life support.
And then the latest Klingon ship is now Starfleets.
The possibilities are endless for dirty tricks, use enemy ships to commit attacks on their own fleet and planets in ambushes, or on other rival powers to get the Federations enemies to fight each other.
And the Romulan Empire is definitely in line for that sort of treatment as well, in fact the Romulans are at a bigger disadvantage than in the Prime timeline, they can no longer infiltrate by pretending to be Vulcans, as there are so few Vulcans now.
The timeline of TOS in the latter years is going to be very different, it's safe to assume that Starfleet is going to win the Romulan war decisively, and gain Cloaking technology without having to accept the Treaty of Algeron restrictions.
It's going to be _very different_ by the time of TNG, just because of Transwarp beaming.
It's a _"fascinating"_ mental exercise to consider how things will play out differently, with Starfleet having these new tools/toys.
Apples to Oranges... Spock had no choice but to introduce Transwarp Beaming, as it was the only way he could stop Nero. He didnt just volunteer it for fun as you're suggesting he should... And again, the movie already explains why he doesnt do what you think he should,!
Have you seen the kelvin enteprise a model by alexander klemm/nightfever? Would make a great episode imo
why does it have a hole in the saucer?
Why not?
It's a brave man that attempts to make something worthwhile out of this abomination of a ship.
It was named the Vengeance Class? I thought it was just classified as an Intel Dreadnought from the Kelvin Timeline.
No, it was the Vengeance Class, Only STO, which is not canon, referred to it as that, and Canon always trumps beta canon!
I still think it's stupid that Starfleet didn't use Vengeance's phaser weapons or warp drive in the their newer ships or the Enterprise at the end of Into Darkness because those phaser weapons could really come in handy against stronger enemies and the Venegance's warp drive could get other ships from one place to another much faster.
Who says they didnt?
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics I hope they did. But do you think Starfleet would be stupid if they didn't use them?
In Beyond we don't have any knowledge of the relative speed of the rebuilt Kelvin Enterprise relative to the pre-Darkness Enterprise. Note that the enemy in Beyond uses a very different tactic to attack the Enterprise and therefore Vengence-tech ships may have still been inadequate.
You'll have to wait for a future "Special" video to hear my imagination on THAT question ;)
This ship fits the philosophy of Section 31, more than Starfleet.
small flaw std takes place before the kelvin time line starts , other then that its a great video with a great story
Im sorry but you are incorrect.
First off, please do not refer to DSC as "STD" that is against channel rules as it is disrespectful to those that like the show and to Star Trek itself.
Second, the Kelvin Timeline starts in 2233, when the Narada heads to that time. DSC takes place in 2256... 23 years AFTER the start of the Kelvin Timeline!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics how is std disrespectful?, its the proper abbreviation, tos, sttng, stds9, stv, ste, std, or has star trek been dropped from the title ?
No it isn't and you know that... It is NOT STV it is VOY, it is NOT STTNG it is TNG... It is NOT STE, It is ENT... So don't play that type of game with me, you know exactly what i am saying as it has NEVER been the way you said, so please don't do it again!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics no game played i believe those are the proper abbreviations , now just cause the fandom chooses not to do it that way does not make it wrong , if anything the fandom has it wrong and have bin doing it that way for so long they think its correct , i realized i was doing this too when the whole divide on the std started , after all abbreviations are supposed to be the first letter in every word of a title/name , in fact tng, ds9 started with the st but shorthand dropped the st, so for now on i will do the shorthand approach and just call it D
I am sorry but you are just wrong... They have NEVER been abbreviated that way, and I will not argue this any longer... You want to be welcome here, follow channel rules or else I will ban you, the end... And by the way, I don't appreciate that even after I told you not to, you just used it again in your last comment. Respect the people here and the Channel.
But isn't this mixing the Kelvin timeline with that that is of the one of discovery? Doesn't Admiral Marcus not exist in that universe?
No it isnt... As although the ship exists, the events are completely different in the Kelvin Timeline, just like the events of the Enterprise and Kirk etc were different! And of course Marcus also exists in the Prime Timeline as Carol Marcus (From The Wrath Of Khan) had to have a father...
Shouldda been called the Vallium class....
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pizza cutter look done right, it's tops to me.. Sure it's a dreadnought type, but, she doesn't pilot like one in game of course. I.E. handles like a School bus and turns like an School bus. Nah she drives like an car.
In game? Are you meaning STO or Space Engine? Because, the ship handles FAR more accurately in SE!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics STO.
Yeah, STO is not a good source for starship handling info :P
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics so I gather
the warp stuff is nonsense - they do it all the time in all other star trek shows and films - including walking between ships at warp, on the outside.
Sorry, again, you are incorrect... You really should pay better attention and do research before commenting to prevent yourself from embarrassing yourself over and over again! First, warp stuff is not nonsense as in every "walking" instance it is said how dangerous it is. BUT more importantly, these ships from the Kelvin Universe travel at TRANSWARP not warp, meaning totally different rules!
Wait. You called it a Vengeance Class, but in Star Trek Into Darkness Khan calls it Dreadnought Class. I was under the impression that in the Kelvin timeline, this is what their Dreadnought Class looked like.
Yes I did, for various logical reasons a) Dreadnought is a type of ship b) More people would understand the video and the class and finally c) I believe that its logical to assume that after the Class was public knowledge, thats EXACTLY how Starfleet and the Federation at large would refer to the class!
Discovery is not part of the Kelvin timeline. Vulcan still exists and becomes N'var in Discovery.
We know what sadly became of Vulcan in the Kelvin timeline
It's a cool concept and I normally don't disagree with you but since I'm biased towards the Kelvin timeline, it doesn't gel. Apologies.
You cant actually say "Discovery is not part" of anything... And chances are youd be wrong anyhow as it is a different but close congruent Universe! And since this is a different timeline with a different Discovery, saying things dont gel makes no sense... It almost actually sounds like you didnt listen to my intro into the video and assumed I was saying DSC is not Prime Timeline, which is not the case at all... So although I respect your opinion, I disagree and am glad everyone else sees and loves it!
Love vengeance
The Vengence is a cool ship, but it's also full of nonsense design. What's the purpose of the carved out areas of a warship? If it's a warship and nearly fully automated, why is it so large? Why was its best weapon mounted facing foward in a 3D battelfield? The answer is that it looked cool in a movie a la Star Wars.
I once believed that the Vengeance would after rebuild become the Excelsior