The Armenian population in the ottoman emprie did not just ”think” to be independent. They actively worked for their independence through means of killing and terrorizing locals in neighbouring turkish villages. You said it as if they tried to become independent via a peaceful process, that’s just simply not the case, rather just missinformation and or bias/propaganda, look up the Dashnaks. It’s impossible for de-escalation of such a situation to occur, when one party starts using lethal force, retalitation is in most cases unavoidable.
Well said, unfortunately the west and especially the americans don’t know this fact, mainly because of the armenian lobby. Peace to all armenians 🇹🇷 🇦🇲
Turks suffered defeats on the Russian front and used Christian Armenians as scapegoats. Turks systematically genocided them. It put a smile on my face when Biden recognized the Armenian genocide infront of the whole world. Even Hitler said he was inspired by the Armenian genocide.
@@liveforever9888 Well if i would only get my sources from western media than i would have the same opinion as you. The Russians used a way to destroy the ottoman empire from the inside and armed the dashanks and promised them support and land. These dashnaks burned villages and massacred a lot of villages. The weak ottoman empire couldn't fight on two sides, that why the armenians needed to be reported. Furthermore, even the first armenian president Howhannes Katschasnuni admitted that the ottomans had every right to defend their homecountry. You can read his conference report, which btw has been kept under lock and key in armenia. Printouts, sales and publications are banned in armenia. I am going to list 12 key conclusions from Katschasnunu's report (again completely banned in armenia, i wonder why?): 1. "It was a mistake to form volunteer forces," he said. 2. "One was unconditionally tied to Russia." 3."One did not consider the pro-Turkish power structure." 4. "The resettlement order was logical." 5. "Turkey followed the defense instinct." 6. "The English occupation after 1918 gave new impetus to the hopes of the Dashnaks." 7. "One has established a dictatorship of the Dashnaks in Armenia." 8. "One has fallen for an imperialist project (such as the demand 'one Armenia from one sea to another') and has been incited in this sense." 9. "One massacred the Muslim population." 10. "The Armenian terrorist attacks were aimed at winning over Western public opinion." 11. "One should not have looked for culprits outside the Dashnak leadership." 12. "There was nothing left for the Dashnakzutyun to do; they should rather have committed suicide." It's sad that you think, that the senile old man aka president of the US would admit these things because he believes in them. The armenian lobby in the US wouldn't be so happy about it.
I dont know where you live, but I come from Hatay, Turkey. This is one of few places, where christians, muslims, jews, armenians, greeks and turks are still living in peace next to each other. Your westernized opinion has no value. The armenians in my neighbor village know the truth and they supported the ottomans. Have a good day and peace to my armenian and greek friends.
Minor error, Armenia actually has a border with Iran. The part of Azerbaijan that borders Turkey is an exclave separated from the rest of Azerbaijan by Armenia
I like the video as a turk, but it failed on being objective in my opinion; The Armenian Genocide happened because a lot of Armenians in the area were murdering innocent women and children in an attempt to gain independence. In an attempt to stop this, Enver Pasha ordered the armenians to forcefully migrate to Syria, where a lot of people sadly died. It is a sad part of our history, but the Turkish Government doesn't deny this fact, they instead don't use the word ''genocide'' The PKK, is a terrorist organization recognized by both Europe and the USA. They have killed hundreds of people and bombed turkish villages. There is absolutely no way to sugar-coat this, it is simply wrong and barbaric. When it comes to Cyprus, the turkish people were already being treated awfully. That combined with the EOKA(Terrorist organization) planning an attack against the turkish cypriots(Look at ''bloody christmas'') only made the situation more tense. So, Turkey warned Greece and they eventually sat down with England and eventually signed an agreement. Greece broke the agreement many times and the terrorist organizations inside cyprus began to become more wilder. Which eventually led to the Invasion. I think an invasion to secure the safety of our people were justifiable. But trying to establish a country and hold many Cypriots hostage for many years was a mistake. Either annex it, or sit down for an agreement. I think the frustration of Turkish Cypriots is understandable.
Lmao, it was a genocide, forcibly “peacefully” moving people is atleast a cultural genocide, and none of your claims are substantiated, it was definitely a genocide, and they DEFINITELY did not deserve it, also the Greek Cypriots on the half of the island turkey invaded where ethnically cleansed, and the PKK is well, pretty fucked, I’m not gonna sugarcoat that but the Turkish government did suppress the Kurdish people so it’s not exactly a mystery why they exist
@@childeryeeter4202 Greek Cypriots were ethnically cleansed?? No, they were forced to move just like the turkish cypriots. Caused by their own genocidal tendencies. Also no one is denying the genocide, smartass. I’m just giving more context.
@@trium1554 oh yeah I forgot about Cyprus having an ethnic swap, but I do feel it’s a bit disingenuous to say the government was just making the Americans move, and the genocide being an accident coming from that
so here is the discussion you were looking for in the video, about "Armenian genocide". I am from Turkey, and I honestly think we should keep an open mind about this issue but what is taught to us in schools is that during the war, while turks were trying to fight with someone else, Armenian people started rebellions and it was distracting (which was the aim anyway). so they sent the Armenians to another area. the problem is, the immigration was really in tough conditions and a lot of people died from hunger and cold etc. some probably got killed on the road to get valuable stuff as well. also everyone thinks that the numbers are puffed. Again, I am emphasizing that this is what they teach us, may not be true, but I really don't agree that turkish people tried to break their culture etc. They had their own problems to focus on, no one really cared about Armenians who have been living in Ottoman all along those years
i strongly disagree the treaty of sevres would have divided turkey into 6 areas and turkeys land mass would have become 80% smaller. Purely turkish cities like Konya or Bursa would have been given to italien and british, who did not belong to this place anyways. Armenians wanted to control an area from Trabzon to erzurum to Bitlis and Van. What do you think would have happened to the turks in those areas. France killed 15% of the algerian population in 1950 and 60 because they did not want to give the colony back. I am proud of what my ancestors have done, it was either kill or get killed and I dont believe you could have sit down with the russians, british, armenians, greeks, italians, french and could have made a "fair contract". The armenians betrayed the ottomans and experienced the consequences of backstabbing. Abdülhamit, Talaat Pasha, Enver Pasha and Atatürk all of them have done the right thing on that matter. The french in 1919 were relocating the christians from the middle east to cukurova and yüksekova with the intent of enmassing enough soldiers to start ethnic cleansing on turks. Crete, cyprus had turkish majorities so did many parts of the balkans. Turks even if they dont talk about it, because they dont like to see themselves as victims, have experienced many genocides themselves.
@@myname1700 I am not a historian myself, I don't even know the role of Talat Pasha in this, but I know you cannot make Ataturk involve in this situation. It was Enver Pasha who gave the order to Armenians to relocate, and we know he did other bad things to Turkish people itself (like Sarıkamış). Thus, he was a bad person anyway. I cannot believe you saying you're proud of this. All nations have fought some wars, all of them killed others, we cannot really do something about it anymore since it's in the past. But telling that you're proud is definitely not normal. It's just scary.
@@jiipai7952 well atatürk said quite clearly himself that this was no genocide it was a relocation programm, because armenians were attacking the supply lines. If you are at war and one group actively is trying to make you loose for their own political goals and there is only one option "kill or get killed" than you must protect your own family first and foremost. Watch this video again and look if he (a british guy) even once mentions how armenians have killed 300 thousand turkish and kurdish muslim civilliance with russian weapons like Ilber Ortayli is claiming. Many turkish soldiers were put to trial in turkey for there misshandling of the relocation programm, how many armenians were put to trial by Armenia for the killings of 100 of thousands turks in ottoman empire?, exactly "zero"! If turks would have not relocated the armenians, I cant even imagine the horrors our ancestors would have experienced by 6 different foreign armies occupying turkey. The Greeks genocided the turks in crete the first moment they had an opportunity to, Yerevan the capital of armenia was build by an azeri turk called ismail shah for turks to live in. There are armenians which have written reports about turkish boys, which they have skinned alive to see how long it would take for them the die. Be a soft person jii pai, if one day we would experience the same situation, I would do what would be necessary to protect your live, even if you would find it horrible and something sick to be proud of
@@myname1700 if someone is attacking you, defending yourself is the only option. not to do that would be only and only stupidity. but when you say I would do it again proudly, it sounds like you would fight not only with the soldiers, you would fight with everybody. including civilians. childs. that's when it becomes scary. I definitely am not denying Turkish people have experienced a lot of cruelty. I'm a Turkish person myself afterall. That's why I said every nation fought wars and killed people. Turkish people killed some other nations, others killed Turkish people. Showing only one side of this is obviously wrong and racist but that's just a reality that I got used to it. (Maybe I should also mention that I live in Czech Republic and see a lot of other nations naturally, so I know what do they think of us more.)
UA-cam must really enforce content policy on political and historical events so you can't upload without citing your sources. Unless we are just going to forever deal with very intelligent youtubers who doesn't know the difference between Nagorno-Karabakh and Nakhchivan but makes a 20-minute video about these countries.
Toycat: Iran and Armenia do not share a border Also Toycat at 15:23: *shows the Armenian-Iranian border to the right of the western Azerbaijan label on the map* The part of Azerbaijan that borders Turkey is Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic, which doesn't have any disputes with Armenia. You're confusing it with Nagorno-Karabakh. While it doesn't have any disputes, its history is still complicated as it was historically Armenian land as the province of Vaspurakan within the Armenian Kingdom. Nakhchivan (which is actually an Armenian name) was mixed Azerbaijani-Armenian until as late as a century ago when it became more homogenously Azerbaijani. When the Bolsheviks occupied the area in 1920, the Russians and Azerbaijan SSRs said that Nakhchivan, Nagorno-Karabakh, and Zangezur would all be integral parts of the Armenian SSR. However as we know, that's not what happened. The next year, Lenin betrayed the Armenians by giving Nakhchivan to Azerbaijan as an autonomous republic within it (on top of making Nagorno-Karabakh an autonomous oblast). Former President of Azerbaijan, Heydar Aliyev (father of Ilham Aliyev), is actually from there. Interesting fact about Nakhchivan, their Supreme Assembly recognized Northern Cyprus as a state in the 90s and called upon Azerbaijan to do so. However despite being friends with Turkey, Azerbaijan hasn't as they fear doing so would make the Republic of Cyprus recognize Nagorno-Karabakh
@@erikaloyan6281 I apreciate you to inform me about that fact. So, Turkey has no real borders with Azerbaidjan and the Azeris have no reason to claim Nagorno-Karabakh.
@@rogeriomonteiro760 No we do, our border to azerbaijan is 9km long. Armenia has no claim over these territories as the last time they were independent before this was a milennia ago.
>Armenian Genocide I want people who says "this happened" to tell that to my dead great grandma, so she can slap you across the face. She lost most of her family, friends when Armenian gangs attacked her village, she barely escaped with a group of old women. When Turkish forces came only then she returned to her village, they hid in a tiny cave for weeks with near to no food and water. When they returned to village every single Turkish and Kurdish people there were slaughtered by Armenians, corpses burnt, pregnant women butchered by their stomachs cut open (apparently it's "game" they played) and so on. A day later she finds her friend hiding in her family's burning house's chimney. Right next to all the charred corpses. So what happened wasn't a "genocide" it was "fighting back the fire with fire". I don't want to sound humane, but it was their people's own fault what happened. Though there were all kinds of shit going down in Eastern Anatolia at the time, each ethnicity living there had their own gangs, attacking villages of others, raiding, pillaging, and civilians mostly tried to help each other like Turks helping Kurds and Armenians and Arabs or Armenians helping Turks, Kurds and Arabs and so on. And forced migration was their own fault for sucking Russian dick, then making gangs attacking and raiding villages like a bunch of rabid dogs, I'd say they had it coming. It sounds cruel, but my family suffered from it, thankfully not on my father's side, because Armenians didn't have balls to attack a vilage that has "Kipchak" tribal people living in it, Kipchak people's wrath would have fucked them up (same people who stopped Mongolian conquest to the west in Russian steppes, and same mercenary people who destroyed crusaders in some crusades, then founded the state what was known at the time as "Mamelukes"). That's why I don't bullshit around when I say "t'was no genocide, just a race on who will murder who faster so they can get lands and self defence in some cases." It was chaos, a total shit show. Yet because Turks are Muslims and pretty much kicked major European ass back in their golden days as Ottoman Empire, it's easy to show them as targets. Turks are still waiting for those Armenian archives to open. LOL She was in her early teens when this happened (1910s), y'know 5th/6th grade age, she was a mere kid. around the region what's today known as city of "Kars" as an additional information.
Actually, that bird thing is more complex than your explanation. Turkey the bird isn't native to Turkey, but to Americas, and it's not commonly domesticated in Turkey. However, there is a species of cock that is native to Turkey, called "Turkey cock" at the time. When Europeans saw turkey the bird, however, they thought it was the same species as Turkey cock (because it looks similar) so they named it Turkey cock. They stopped using "cock" after a while, and it became just turkey.
most of what he said was total bullshit and wrong information. He said that Turkey-Iraq border is a natural good border. It is a fucking problematic border drawn by a stupid foreigner probably from his country. The border cuts mountains in half and that's very hard to protect.
Calling 1915 incidents "forceful integration of other peoples into the empire" must be the weirdest thing I have ever heard. Eastern Armenians wanted independence and they formed militia groups that would pillage and murder Turkish and Kurdish villages, Ottomans did what they do best and deported the trouble makers to somewhere else. This is why no armenian from west of anatolia were deported because they didnt rise up, so calling this "a forceful integration" just doesnt make sense. Eastern Armenians were poor just like any other ethnic group, thats why they happily rose up and murdered other peoples and not the rich ones living in Istanbul.
Its really funny when you think about it honestly, Ottoman Empire only had 1.2 million armenians in 1906 but is allegedly capable of killing 1.5 million (or 2.2m according to Armenian State) armenians and after that Turkey even has around 1.5 million armenians in 1922 according to british estimates. Turks are really capable in this business, making 1.2m people into -300k in just a year and a half just to make them 1.5m in just 4 years.
Nothing is funnier than "People in Turkiye are assimilated greeks, they arent real Turks." Turks were too based that they came as a absolute minority, conquered all the greek land and made all the greeks become Turkish. Too based ong.
Yeah, lol. They started killing people and rise up in rebellion on eastern side, killing thousands of Turks with Terrorist groups supported by Russia at that time, and when Ottoman departs them away, they call it genocide? Yeah, many armenians died by poor management and many Kurdish and Turkish commanders killed a lot of Armenians but they were the ones who started chaos and slaughter first, deporting them away was a natural reaction.
6:30 well it was actually Turkey who closed its border with Armenia around 1993 following the occupation of Karabakh and not the other way around. The border was open for a short period of time between the dissolution of the USSR and Armenian occupation of Karabakh
Countries didn't declare their independence from Turkey but from the Ottoman Empire, so did Turkey actually. Also Naxcivan is a globally recognized exclave of Azerbaijan and doesn't really have an ethnic Armenian majority. I think you might've mixed it up with Karabağ. Bonus addition: Turkey also had a tiny exclave in Syria.
1. yes but turks were the rulers of the ottoman empire, and the people group in power. 2. nakhijevan* doesn't have an ethnic armenian majority anymore* considering they were all forcefully deported in 1604
@@Geo-nw9ug You do realize that you didn't actually debunk any of the facts I provided, right? You just added details that literally everyone already knows and Toycat didn't get wrong so... even though it was aggressive and unnecessary, thank you for your input~
@@Geo-nw9ug actually if you take a look at the Ottoman family you will see they arent that Turkish the more generations down you go. Also the Ottoman elite were always the minorities like Greeks, Armenians and Jews who was also the elites in Byzantium, abd Turks were the farmers. Even the elite Janissary soldiers were minorities while Turks were the soldiers in the front row dying before the elites. That even became a problem after Turkish Independence because there were no rich Turkish bussiness men to grow the economy and the government had to do it themselves. So in a way, the Ottomans were just the continuation of Byzantium, just a bit different. The Ottoman Sultand even called themselves Kayzer-i Rum which means the Ceasar of Rome.
The thing is, extraterritorial operations are against PKK in Northern Iraq, Kurdish Regional Group (Autonomous Kurdistan) actually supports Turkish intervention into N.Iraq
The problem is, I guess, having clear ideas based on second hand information from the internet or short term visitors/visits. Otherwise it wouldn't be that easy to smile over such communal wounds, especially with a stinky mouth placed on a (relatively) disgustigly ugly face.
There are. He confused Karabakh with Nakhcivan, forgot that there were an actual genocide attempt against Turks in Cyprus, forgot Iraqi Kurdistan and Turkey is working together against terrorism, couldnt call PKK what it is -a terrorist group-, what he said about why the armenian genocide happened or how it happened was wrong, called Turkish Cyprus a puppet state even though they are free and do criticize Turkey and Erdogan more than a citizen of Turkey does. There might be some more.
Most of the time, the simple map was fine with what you wanted to talk about. But a few times you went into details that wasn't really showing on the map. Such as how the border goes exactly; talking about roads and bridges, and rivers, things that didn't really show.
7:36 it is not a genocide, let me explain. The Armenians were killing and burning people who lived in the today's Turkey- Armenia border. So the Ottoman Goverment send them to Syria but when moving most of the Armenians died from epidemic diseases
Turks suffered defeats on the Russian front and used Christian Armenians as scapegoats. Turks systematically genocided them. It put a smile on my face when Biden recognized the Armenian genocide infront of the whole world. Even Hitler said he was inspired by the Armenian genocide.
I just want to say one thing. Did you do research? Also, you said that the land of Azerbaijan should belong to Armenia. Because Azerbaijan has no land connection with it, right? Then what is England doing in Cyprus, in Gibraltar? Do they have a land connection with it? You say that Turkey occupied Cyprus, but do you know that the Ottomans conquered it in 1573? And that the Greeks who were there tried to force the Turks out of Cyprus by applying force? Do you know the Khojaly Massacre that Armenians carried out against Azerbaijanis? And according to people in Armenia, 1.5 million Armenians were killed during the Armenian Genocide in those years, but according to the sources of that time, there were no 1.5 million people in Armenia. What about the Aegean Islands problem? You just said that the Italians gave it to Greece. And you know who gave those islands to Italy? Ottoman! The Ottomans gave these islands to Italy for a short time, but after the First World War, Italy took the islands and gave them to Greece. In addition, according to the Treaty of Lausanne, Greece should not arm the islands, but Greece does not do this. Likewise, according to the Treaty of Lausanne, it is forbidden for Greece to increase the territorial sea limit of the islands from 6 miles, but Greece even says that it will increase it to 12 miles. Turkey is in an unfair position in this regard. And most countries (USA, EU) support Armenia and Greece, although they are wrong on this issue. Please let's talk some facts. :)
Turks suffered defeats on the Russian front and used Christian Armenians as scapegoats. Turks systematically genocided them. It put a smile on my face when Biden recognized the Armenian genocide infront of the whole world. Even Hitler said he was inspired by the Armenian genocide.
@@liveforever9888 Because Armenians Helped the Russians in the First World War, the Ottomans had the "TROUBLE-MAKING" Armenians immigrated to Syria. The Armenians who died on the way here are not the fault of the Ottomans. "It put a smile on my face when Biden recognized the Armenian genocide infront of the whole world. Even Hitler said he was inspired by the Armenian genocide." You said, "No country has defended the Turks because the Turks' right has already been defeated." Therefore, most countries defended the Armenian Genocide because of their interests. And they taught you things that are not true so that if something happens in the future, you will defend the Armenian Genocide. That's why most people don't know the truth and defend things that aren't true.
It’s intentional - to get a bunch of comments that wouldn’t have otherwise been posted. Lots of UA-camrs do it, now that you know, you’ll see it all of the time.
If you know what happened in Crete you would know why Turkey has invaded Cyprus. Crete was under Ottoman rule and island was about 55 percent greek and 45 percent Turkish. So we cant really say it is fully greek or Turkish however, Greeks started to take arms and killed local Turkish population. At that time Ottoman lacked proper ships to intervene in and The West knew that so a coalition of Western powers called this "a crisis" and sent their navy to blockade Crete from Greece and Ottomans. Meanwhile genocide to Turkish in Crete continued and this conflict started a War: Greece vs Ottoman Empire Greece was all alone and Ottomans won the war. Ottomans could have push as far as Athens but The Western powers threatened Ottomans to end the war. In the peace treaty, little did ottoman gain in the balkans. But Crete became an independent State. Later, this "independent state" was about 70 percent greek. So all governors were greek and slaughter continued. Then Crete joined Greece. After independence from British Empire, Cyprus was about 60-40 greek-turk so Turks had to be in the government. They rightfully were in but Turkish villagers were started to get slaughtered. This could have lead to no Turks in goverment. Things started just like Crete. But now Turkey had a power to intervene. Since without Turks in Cyprus it would not protect its status of " Cant join the neither countries " as proposed in independence. If all island was greek there would be no need to joining to Greece ,as an example: belarus and russia, Cyprus would be a Greek puppet. Turkey intervened and saved her people. No matter how you see it, it was a rightful move, we already experienced the Worst in Crete.
It's unbelievable how Turks learn history. For you Turks the world started 1453 and it doesn't matter what you conquered and killed at these century. Before 1453 nothing has existed for Turkey and this is a big problem. Of course after many years we took back our land, culture and what ever belonged before to Greece. Greece exist about 3000 years. So never forget your genocide before it happened to you☝️
@@greekstyle2954 well i dont care what you had before. I accept the old world was cruel. And bad things happened but claiming lands about 600 years old dead Empire and kill people to start crisis is not a thing both sides would agree. If greeks knew their place in Cyprus and just didnt start to kill Turks in island everything would be fine. A nice Buffer island limiting Turkish and greek influence over mediterranean and keeping peace but guess what? Nope. Same in Crete it was meant to be an independent state as the West say but that independent state does the opposite and Later joined Greece by exploiting weak Ottoman navy. Countries and "Sides" have their own goals in certain regions. You either agree on terms for peace or you fight for it. You never tried to agree on peace. I understand your effort in the balkans, all way to the sellaniko was yours. But either you accept it or not Crete and Cyprus had another idendity from then. If you somehow conquer Turkey and somehow become about the same population in the region I would say yes this is not it was meant to be. I cant just say Athens was Ottoman or Damascus was Ottoman to claim land. Catalans cant claim sicily from Aragon, it was past. Now I claim that Turks learned their lesson from crete because Turks got slaughtered and you defend it by saying also greeks were in 1100s so what? Does it change anything? No. You cant make the right decisions by revenges. If you killed murderers instead of jailing, it wouldnt be justice. And only thing Im here to legitimize is Turkish intervention in Cyprus and nothing more. But you bring up past's past to legitimize your slaughter. Well if you could intervene you could. If we could intervene we could. Thats nothing but taking a lesson from it and doing the best for your nation. I hope peace keeps its place. And greece knows her place.
@@berkeihlamur4160 before you tell me about peace and independent, tell it to your government first of all. I'm really fascinated how good propaganda works in Turkey and people started to believe fake history.
We made lots of laws to protect the Armenians. In fact the reason why we wanted them out of the Ottoman Empire at the time Armenian gangs killed about 1.5-2.0 million turks including kids and women.
Translated from Wikipedia The Armenian Question or the Armenian Question is an Armenian issue, which is discussed with a political approach between the Turkish states and Western countries, starting from the Ottoman period and extending to the Turkish period.[1] The content of the Armenian Genocide, which was presented as the rights of Armenian citizens during the Ottoman period, and then took place after the First World War, is politically and legally based on the *allegation* that the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire were killed intentionally and under orders by the state administration, and for this reason, the events were of a genocidal nature. The "counter-claim" or "explanation" made by Turkey in relation to this new allegation, which has become more complicated, caused these deaths not to be a systematic state policy, but to war conditions, diseases, climate, attacks by gangs and tribes in the region, and the lack of facilities to facilitate the forced migration of Armenians. It is the subject that takes its present form with the showing of factors such as the cause.
I like that you put some editing work into this video, i love the style, and i also love how u kept your train of thought going like you always do. Always entertaining! I appreciate it
1- The reason Turkish-Armenian border is closed is the fact Armenia occupied illegaly the UN recognized lands of Azarbaijan. It has nothing to do with so called fake "Armenian Genocide"... Armenia really wants to open the borders but the same time they don't wanna give up the lands they have captured from Azarbaijan. 2- Georgian and Turkish relations are pretty goood. A lot of the Georgian military equipment are donated from Turkey and Turks can enter Georgia without passports. 3- There is a massive wall between Syria and Turkey and literally drones fly 24/7 so it is not easy to pass the border. 4- PKK is not a communist organization they just call themself that cause in 70s that was the trend with terrorists. 5- Iran and Turkey relations are pretty bad. Some tourists visit Turkey from Iran doesn't make their relations good at all. Iran threatens Azarbaijan and Turkey all the time and make propaganda against them because around %40 of Iran consist of Turkish/Azeri people and Iran is afraid that they would uprise to join Azerbaijan or Turkey. 6- Turkey does have a border with Azarbaijan. That area is called Nakhcivan and it is a part of Azarbaijan legally. I don't understand why are you not sure if they have a border or not lol.
all of them is true except for the part with syrian border. syrian refugees can actually walk through the border, thousands of them do everyday :( but other than that, very nice explanations 👍👍
Turks suffered defeats on the Russian front and used Christian Armenians as scapegoats. Turks systematically genocided them. It put a smile on my face when Biden recognized the Armenian genocide infront of the whole world. Even Hitler said he was inspired by the Armenian genocide.
Turk here. I just did a whole presentation to my class about the Armenian deportation today. It is simply silly to suggest that Türkiye decided to eradicate the entire Armenian entitiy out of nowhere, after 800 years of living together. Armenians (just like almost every minority in the Ottoman Empire) wanted to gain independence and their own free state. During WW1 (1914-1918) while the Ottoman Empire was fighting in numerous fronts like Palestine, Galicia, Caucasus, Gallipoli etc. against the allied powers, Armenians supported the Russians in their invasion of Anatolia. Spesifically in 1915, the Armenians of Van (a big city with significant Armenian population) rebelled agianst the empire and the city fell to the Russians with no resistance, because it was taken from the inside. This year was the year the Ottomans won the Gallipoli war against the British. The entire country was full of war and invasion from all sides and your own Armenian citizens cooperating with the enemy and giving away entire cities overnight to them wasn't helping. The Armenians also commited mass murders on the Muslims of the Eastern Anatolia mostly because they wanted to be the majority in the region. As a result 2.500.000 Muslims were killed in the region between 1892-1918. The mass graves are still being found out in the region. So the Ottoman empire decided to deport around 450.000 Armenians living in Eastern Anatolia (official numbers) to Syria and Iraq, especially to the city of Deyrizor along the Euphrates river. The Armenians in the western cities weren't subjected to this deportation, as they didn't pose a threat. Also women, children and trustworthy businessmen were also not included. The Ottoman Army was ordered to protect the Armenians on the way from internal threats. Around 46.000 Armenians died on the way due to famine, difficult situaitons and attacks from Turks who were angry at Armenians as well as some Ottoman officials. A total of 600.000 Armenians are believed to die in those years. Many of whom were actually killed by local people or officlals who misused their power out of hatred for what the Armenians did to Turks, which in no way justifies it of course. As a result, the Ottoman Empire charged more than 1.600 people for their crimes against the Armenians, out of around 500 were convicted and 67 were hanged, including an Ottoman governor. How many Armenians were charged for their crimes against the Muslims/Turks of Eastern Anatolia? Zero. In 1919 after the war, the Ottoman Empire invited the deported Armenians back to their homes, and 277.000 Armenians did come back. How is it a "genocide" if the Ottoman Empire ordered its army to protect the Armenians? How is it a genocide if the wrongdoers were charged and executed by the state? How is it a genocide if the people of the same ethnicity in the western provinces were not subjected to it?
The Ottoman Empire was friendly towards Armenians. It was the Turkish Republic that committed the genocide because they wanted an ethnically pure state.
Nice. I'm also Turkish and i feel sad when people say Armenian Genocide happened. Yeah, obviously a lot of Armenians died on these area and time. But you can't say genocide to this events just with "dead people". Genocide is a serious allegation. I can't accept these allegations without 100% proofs. And clearly there is no proof. I think if the Armenians had won the war against the Ottoman Empire, there will be no genocide allegations.
@@menear The founding father of the Turkish Republic, Mustafa Ataturk, was a major general in 1914 during WW1. The people who created the Turkish Republic where the same people behind the Armenian genocide.
@@Davit83820 İkdam was a privately owned newspaper, like New York Times who had written stuff like "Saddam has nuclear weapons" :D. Although I cant find the front page you are referring to (real one just says "3 more pashas have fled the country") Ahmet Cevdet Oran who is owner of the newspaper was a staunch anti-ittihatist, so it wouldnt surprise me if they did actually wrote that.
"Maybe even Russia with its fifteen" sixteen if you include Finland! The Grand Duchy of Finland was within the Russian Empire from 1809 to 1917 when the Finns had enough of the Russification policies of the Tsars, formed a Diet where they remade their constitution and included universal suffrage which the Russians tried to dissolve, and took the opportunity to declare independence during the revolution. This war for independence became a civil war between the Finnish White Guard (backed by the German Empire) and the Red Guards (supplied by the Soviets). The White Guard won, with the Germans wanting to have a German-led Finnish monarchy but as a result of Germany's loss, Finland instead became a democratic republic.
So, lets take "communist PKK" under scrutinize, do you think that a country of Kurds, no need a name, by having territories from Irak, Syria and Turkey would become a democratic country like Finland? If no, why? Waiting for your respond.
A fun fact is that many Turks ,which are living in the EU, cross the kapıkule border out of nostalgia, because they did that as they where younger to visit their homeland, because flying back then was way to expensive. (I also do it with my family nearly every year and we drive from Germany to Türkiye by car)
@@fallendown8828 nope it is Türkiye we are not Birds it is because of British Again on English They Were calling our Countries Turkey. it is Türkiye always on Turkish and even on Old English and European countries were calling us Turkiyya (land Of Turks) since Seljuk Rum State Because Byzantine was gone from Anatolia. So Europeans called Turkiyya it wasnt Turkey all time. it was Türkiye always before too.
@@animasyonYT Why even explain to me, i am Turkish you know? And no they don't called us Turkiye ever, they have called the land of Turks "Turcia" in latin since Eastern Romans first contacted with Turkic tribes. But it is still weird to drop a Turkish name in the middle of an English sentence so don't use it in regular conversations, the name change is only meant for legal documents and stuff
@@fallendown8828 kardeşim yanlış biliyorsun. Selçuklu zamanında Bizans'ın topraklarını fethettikden sonra anladılar türk toprağı olduğunu Turkiyya (land of Turks) dediler Hindi denmedi bize ilk zamanlarda 1100 ve 1200lerde Anadolu ya ilk ayak bastığımız zamanda.
@@animasyonYT Why are you so locked down with the bird? NO they didn't called Anatolia Turkiyya (that's Arabic version btw), they called it Turcia which still means the land of the Turks in latin then Brits like to every latin word they do translated it to English but coincidentally Turcia translates to Turque which with time evolved to Turkey and this is also the English word for a bird so that's totally a coincidence and nobody says Turkey comes from a bird name
loved this video. thank you. Turkey is such an interesting country. An interesting fun fact about Turkey is also that it lost so much European land (when it was the Ottoman Empire) that it owned even before it owned some of the land it currently has in it's Eastern / Asian part. Like for example the entire Armenian Plateau and Hatay Pronvince are recent additions to Turkey whereas the southern part of Bulgaria and much of modern day Greece were annexed way before but Turkey lost tons of its European land and was never able to get it back.
Armenians joined forces with the bolsheviks in the midst of world war 1, in which the ottomans were engaged, and committed massacres of the ottoman population. The ottomans then deported the armenian population to syria, where many perished. Other smaller kurdish and other traditionalists also committed massacres against the armenian population. Today's armenians insist on the recognition of a genocide, while the Turks insist a massacre. Armenia rejects a historical reappraisal of all international archieve. It demands unconditional recognition of a genocide, which turkiye did not accept, they want a international research on this case. With regard to relations with georgia, it is somewhat more complicated. My ancestors are colchians. It is an ancient culture, with the greek mythology of the golden fleece. The colchians who stayed behind on the georgian side are now the mingrelians and were christianised. Kolchians who remained on the turkish side are today the lazs, who were later islamised. Batumi, Rize, Poti and Kutaissi was the core area of the colchians. The georgians and turks along the border are culturally merged but have different religions today. They still have the best relations with each other. The state relations can be described as stable.
Turks suffered defeats on the Russian front and used Christian Armenians as scapegoats. Turks systematically genocided them. It put a smile on my face when Biden recognized the Armenian genocide infront of the whole world. Even Hitler said he was inspired by the Armenian genocide.
@@liveforever9888 If this is so, as you claim, why do the armenians not get involved in an international commission of enquiry ? There are several parties involved in this case who are providing their archieve. If everything is as absolute as you claim, why are the armenians boycott an investigation ?
As a Turk, it is the first time i ever heard that Turkey(Or Erdogan in this case) has land claims on Georgia. I think almost every Turkish people would oppose a war on Georgia. On the other hand, some of our politicians sometimes makes dumb claims like this(Such cases were made for iraq and syria) but everyone know they just do it for the nationalist votes.
As a Turk, i agree. Even if we changed, i think it should have been more something like "Turkia" the latin word for 'land of the Turks' and this is both historically accurate and Europeans are more familiar with latin pronunciation
@@LEONKING360 yeah he hasn't tried to defuse the situation with us, and he has changed the military staff to like him so you could expect a dictatorship or a coup
It's really not that complicated why the Dodecanese islands were given to Greece. Greek people live there since the Bronze age, colonialism was declared cringe after the wars of significant proportions, so the islands were returned to Greece.
Small error about the azerbaijan-armenia situation. Nakhchivan, the reigion of azerbaijan that borers turkey is a disputed territory at all. It is majority azeri and controlled by Azerbaijan. I believe you are getting it mixed up with Nagorno Karabakh, which is to the east of armenia. That is the region where after armenia invaded in the 90s, they genocided and deported azeris to create the Armenian majority that exists today. This is the area that they actively still fight over today, but either way, no matter who owns this area, turkey and Azerbaijan border each other in nakhchivan
Armenia owned that land even before entering the USSR, and then Stalin arbitrarily decided to give it to Azerbaiyan, just as toycat mentioned with Nakhichevan. There was no genocide, that's what your dictator wants you to think in order to keep you distracted from him amassing power and not letting you have democracy
@@arielgoska5955 Bold of you to assume im from azerbaijan. And your statement doesn't make any sense considering that the entire area was part of Iran before russia, and so Armenia didn't control it itself either.
The name of the bird turkey in different languages is quite interesting. While the bird itself originates from the Americas, it is named after Turkey in English, named after India in Turkish and many other languages, including Italian and French, but named after France in Greek! Portuguese and Croatian come close by naming it after Peru, while the Nordic languages and Dutch name it specifically after Calcutta in India. An even more entertaining example of the same phenomenon is the name of syphillis in different languages, I encourage you to look it up.
@@MisterSpeedStacking "The Americas, which are sometimes collectively called America, are a landmass comprising the totality of North and South America."
A couple major corrections: - 12:43 Iraq is *against* the Turkish operations in N-Iraq a.k.a _Iraqi Kurdistan_ . The ironic part is, the current leading party in Kurdistan, the Kurdistan Democratic Party, and the Kurdish Peshmerga is in a joint Turkish-Kurdish operation against the Kurdish PKK...(you read that right). Both sides even fought together during the Iraqi-Kurdish civil war in 97’ against the PUK and PKK. - 6:20 Both the Turkish and Armenian government has expressed that the borders *WILL* be open (soon). Starting just recently with the allowance of third-country-nationals. In the near future also for Turks and Armenians. This came after a set of Normalisation Processes. - 1:09 Turkey’s (the bird) isn’t native to Turkiye (I’m gonna spell it this way to avoid confusion). They are native to the Americas. Why is called Turkey? Because of the famous ‘Turkey cock bird’ found in Turkiye which looks similar to the turkey bird. So European colonialists called them ‘Turkey cocks’ which later became just ‘Turkey’. - 8:48 Erdogan himself is from Georgian descent. This quote (which often gets taken out of context by the west) is regarding the many different ethnic backgrounds the Turks have as a result of the Mucahirs (Muslim refugees from ex-Ottoman lands that fled to Anatolia to escape ethnic cleansing, genocide, massacres, forced deportations, assimilation,... there’s an entire Wiki for those interested. That’s what the quote refers to. People who fled their homelands and settled within the borders of Turkey. - 9:22 Turkey and Syria do not get along...it’s even worse than the Greece-Turkey relationship There are more mistakes but these are the major ones I wanted to put out. Also the entire ‘genocide’ thing. The deaths are not denied. The amount is still up to debate but the deaths are not denied. The Turkish government says that from the 1.2m Armenians AT LEAST 600k were killed. At least. Then why does Turkey not accept it as a genocide? Simple because of the one sided narrative. Turkey wants the other side of the story to be told. Muslim Turks and Kurds may have killed Christian Armenians and Greeks but they themselves witnessed ethnic cleansing as well. And ironically this is denied by the same countries that force Turkey to recognise the genocide. Each story has two sides.
Nothing like people have no ideas about history makeing videoa ! British Empire have a millions of sq miles way away from their original country call colonies . Ottoman Empire were bigger than British empire for 550 years which makes Turkiye hav lots of claims and land have a right to claim . 32 country come out of 1923 . Armenians terorist killed 400000 women and children 1912-15 in east of Turkey which end up 1915 reassignment of Armenian from Anadolia . If you kill your ottoman citizens for division you get your ass kicked ! This dude have no idea about cypress neither enosis organization tryed to coup in cypress to take over cypress which was %30 turkish .1965-1974 Greece invade the island Turks did piece operation after bloody noel Greece killed and tortured 8000 turks in island . As a part owner of island and protector of Turkish population everyone live in peice since 1974 thanks to Turks
some fun facts: 1) Ottoman Empire was way bigger than you showed up 2) syria and Türkiye arent the best friend, türkiye's best friend is azerbaijan (in borders) 3) Türkiye has 8 border with different countries (nakhchivan is azerbaijan territory so azerbaijan included) 4) armenian genocide didnt exist, it was security precaution because armenians killed many turk and burned many villages so they were terrorists so it was security precaution not a genocide 5) Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is real, also greek cypriots were killed many Turk Cypriot and burned many villages too so Türkiye saved the Turk Cypriots and got back their land in 1974
Turks suffered defeats on the Russian front and used Christian Armenians as scapegoats. Turks systematically genocided them. It put a smile on my face when Biden recognized the Armenian genocide infront of the whole world. Even Hitler said he was inspired by the Armenian genocide.
Ehm nope I literally crossed all of those borders (aside from Armenia and Syria, which is not recognized) without issues. With Greece and Bulgaria is quite easy, just time demanding but not that much In Cyprus, well, some questions, but easy Georgia, just time consuming Nakchivan...easy Iran...easy, just 5 hours at the border Iraq, not me personally having crossed but a friend did and yeah, 5-6 hours and some security concern. With Armenia the situation is up to a diplomatic and militar (NATO vs Russia in Armenia) thing, but besides buffer zones, you can get very close from both points (E.G. Ani or Khor Virap) to those buffer zones. Syria, well, Turkey is occupying a strip of land and the south east of Turkey is militarized (Checkpoints everywhere), but once I was there it was sort of ok. So, dunno, a bit overreacting this video and definitely it seems you never been in Turkey in first place? Oh BTW, I am not even a turk, I am from Italy
Finally, someone can understand! People like him that never been to Turkey, make comments and this is the most stupid thing imo. They dont understand the dynamics of the country. They just produce content by non-objective sources. There were lots of mistakes in this video that I felt so annoyed. Thanks dude🤗
The bird business is more complicated than that, even: people associated *guinea fowl* with Turkey because they were resold by Turkish merchants (though they are not from there), and then they thought the New World birds looked vaguely like giant guinea fowl, though they had never been associated with Turkey in any way.
Ottomans tried to temporarily relocate Armenians inside Ottoman territory (current day Syria) during the war. But it was chaos and Ottoman army couldn't protect them. Also most of the Armenians are killed by Kurds because they wanted Armenian lands and possessions which they got. Most of the former Armenian cities and villages are now Kurdified.
Turkie has done an amazing job of convincing everyone they are Switzerland, while disagreeing with just about everyone about something. Stellar! Other than the font choice (imo), the new editing is just fine.
Hey toycat, thanks for the video! Only piece of information I'd suggest you review is the difference between Nagorno-Karabakh and Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic. The former being the one mostly populated by people from Country A, whereas the latter doesn't have a border dispute problem, so it does qualify the 8th neighbour of Turkey. Apart from this, amazing video, enjoyed watching/listening a lot - as always!
There is, then what are the photos that you can find online if the Armenian children taking refuge in iraq because their parents are dead by the Turks who killed them all? I’m Iraqi myself and we have many Armenians in iraq because many of them were running away from the Turks who were genociding them, don’t believe Turkish propaganda brother
Turkey technically borders Cyprus as well as UK because the island is split 3 ways. The country named Cyprus is on the southern part of the island, turkey owns/claims the northern part of it (although no one actually recognises this) and UK owns to small areas around south east.
However the occupation of the northern part of the island approximately 35% of the island that happened in 1974 is illegal, against the international law and therefore no country in the world accepts it neither as a country.
12:20 You have no idea right? You should not talk about these very important issues as a joke. My best friend's brother killed by them and we all know what are they in here. If you don't know, shut up. You are not living in the middle east maybe but we do. Everything in the video is just saying "ooh Turkey is saying this but it is actually wrong..." you have to understand something: We are more educated about our problems and we know better than you. It is not just government's views. Erdogan is a really bad president but we are not evil as much as you think. Unlike you think, most of these terrorist organizations are supported by a few countries which has strong effect on world's politics. Armenian genocide, Turkey's secret Kurdish attacks, Greek torture stories are coming from the 1920's and they are still spoken by the brainwashed people. West knows how to do propaganda very well. I just want you to stop talking about our issues without knowing a one real fact.
Fun fact: Turkey's 8 neighbors use 6 different alphabets
Azerbaijan does
who asked
@@chickensoldier9790 ə?
sometimes i think. İf we had a Alphabet based on the Orkhun İnscriptions, Would the Line of Greece-Turkey-Armenia-Georgia- be called Alphabet belt?
@@ylmazirdenyazc8393 yok kanka
The Armenian population in the ottoman emprie did not just ”think” to be independent. They actively worked for their independence through means of killing and terrorizing locals in neighbouring turkish villages.
You said it as if they tried to become independent via a peaceful process, that’s just simply not the case, rather just missinformation and or bias/propaganda, look up the Dashnaks.
It’s impossible for de-escalation of such a situation to occur, when one party starts using lethal force, retalitation is in most cases unavoidable.
Well said, unfortunately the west and especially the americans don’t know this fact, mainly because of the armenian lobby.
Peace to all armenians 🇹🇷 🇦🇲
@@CM-xd6dn Not just the West, the East too, y’know. ❤️🇦🇲🧿🇹🇷❤️
Turks suffered defeats on the Russian front and used Christian Armenians as scapegoats. Turks systematically genocided them.
It put a smile on my face when Biden recognized the Armenian genocide infront of the whole world. Even Hitler said he was inspired by the Armenian genocide.
@@liveforever9888 Well if i would only get my sources from western media than i would have the same opinion as you. The Russians used a way to destroy the ottoman empire from the inside and armed the dashanks and promised them support and land. These dashnaks burned villages and massacred a lot of villages. The weak ottoman empire couldn't fight on two sides, that why the armenians needed to be reported.
Furthermore, even the first armenian president Howhannes Katschasnuni admitted that the ottomans had every right to defend their homecountry. You can read his conference report, which btw has been kept under lock and key in armenia. Printouts, sales and publications are banned in armenia.
I am going to list 12 key conclusions from Katschasnunu's report (again completely banned in armenia, i wonder why?):
1. "It was a mistake to form volunteer forces," he said.
2. "One was unconditionally tied to Russia."
3."One did not consider the pro-Turkish power structure."
4. "The resettlement order was logical."
5. "Turkey followed the defense instinct."
6. "The English occupation after 1918 gave new impetus to the hopes of the Dashnaks."
7. "One has established a dictatorship of the Dashnaks in Armenia."
8. "One has fallen for an imperialist project (such as the demand 'one Armenia from one sea to another') and has been incited in this sense."
9. "One massacred the Muslim population."
10. "The Armenian terrorist attacks were aimed at winning over Western public opinion."
11. "One should not have looked for culprits outside the Dashnak leadership."
12. "There was nothing left for the Dashnakzutyun to do; they should rather have committed suicide."
It's sad that you think, that the senile old man aka president of the US would admit these things because he believes in them. The armenian lobby in the US wouldn't be so happy about it.
I dont know where you live, but I come from Hatay, Turkey. This is one of few places, where christians, muslims, jews, armenians, greeks and turks are still living in peace next to each other. Your westernized opinion has no value. The armenians in my neighbor village know the truth and they supported the ottomans.
Have a good day and peace to my armenian and greek friends.
Minor error, Armenia actually has a border with Iran. The part of Azerbaijan that borders Turkey is an exclave separated from the rest of Azerbaijan by Armenia
Also a major error: don't ever apologize for kicking Russia out of Europe. Stand strong.
It’s not a mirror error, it’s a big error. Surprised Toycat didn’t know this
AY ILLYASVIEL PROFILE. Peak
@@than217 russia is still the largest country in europe by area and population regardless of the eu.
@@zombieat I'm sure he's talking about politics
Turkey and Georgia have perfect relations… in fact citisrns can enter each country without passports.
Not perfect but good
Quite a large mistake you made. The exclave of Azerbaijan is not populated by Armenians, that is Karabakh. In addition, the whole story is quirky
@@kayacenk4164 a big fool he is
Karabakh is Azerbaijan
Exclave is only majority azerbaijan because the armenians were driven out
I like the video as a turk, but it failed on being objective in my opinion;
The Armenian Genocide happened because a lot of Armenians in the area were murdering innocent women and children in an attempt to gain independence. In an attempt to stop this, Enver Pasha ordered the armenians to forcefully migrate to Syria, where a lot of people sadly died. It is a sad part of our history, but the Turkish Government doesn't deny this fact, they instead don't use the word ''genocide''
The PKK, is a terrorist organization recognized by both Europe and the USA. They have killed hundreds of people and bombed turkish villages. There is absolutely no way to sugar-coat this, it is simply wrong and barbaric.
When it comes to Cyprus, the turkish people were already being treated awfully. That combined with the EOKA(Terrorist organization) planning an attack against the turkish cypriots(Look at ''bloody christmas'') only made the situation more tense. So, Turkey warned Greece and they eventually sat down with England and eventually signed an agreement. Greece broke the agreement many times and the terrorist organizations inside cyprus began to become more wilder. Which eventually led to the Invasion. I think an invasion to secure the safety of our people were justifiable. But trying to establish a country and hold many Cypriots hostage for many years was a mistake. Either annex it, or sit down for an agreement. I think the frustration of Turkish Cypriots is understandable.
Lmao, it was a genocide, forcibly “peacefully” moving people is atleast a cultural genocide, and none of your claims are substantiated, it was definitely a genocide, and they DEFINITELY did not deserve it, also the Greek Cypriots on the half of the island turkey invaded where ethnically cleansed, and the PKK is well, pretty fucked, I’m not gonna sugarcoat that but the Turkish government did suppress the Kurdish people so it’s not exactly a mystery why they exist
@@childeryeeter4202 Greek Cypriots were ethnically cleansed?? No, they were forced to move just like the turkish cypriots. Caused by their own genocidal tendencies. Also no one is denying the genocide, smartass. I’m just giving more context.
@@trium1554 oh yeah I forgot about Cyprus having an ethnic swap, but I do feel it’s a bit disingenuous to say the government was just making the Americans move, and the genocide being an accident coming from that
@@childeryeeter4202 So what's your explanation to so called genocide? I really want to hear the other side's arguments
@@alicagangunduz8488 the Turks killed a shitload of Armenian civilians in an effort to wipe them out
so here is the discussion you were looking for in the video, about "Armenian genocide". I am from Turkey, and I honestly think we should keep an open mind about this issue but what is taught to us in schools is that during the war, while turks were trying to fight with someone else, Armenian people started rebellions and it was distracting (which was the aim anyway). so they sent the Armenians to another area. the problem is, the immigration was really in tough conditions and a lot of people died from hunger and cold etc. some probably got killed on the road to get valuable stuff as well. also everyone thinks that the numbers are puffed. Again, I am emphasizing that this is what they teach us, may not be true, but I really don't agree that turkish people tried to break their culture etc. They had their own problems to focus on, no one really cared about Armenians who have been living in Ottoman all along those years
++ exactly
i strongly disagree
the treaty of sevres would have divided turkey into 6 areas and turkeys land mass would have become 80% smaller. Purely turkish cities like Konya or Bursa would have been given to italien and british, who did not belong to this place anyways.
Armenians wanted to control an area from Trabzon to erzurum to Bitlis and Van.
What do you think would have happened to the turks in those areas.
France killed 15% of the algerian population in 1950 and 60 because they did not want to give the colony back.
I am proud of what my ancestors have done, it was either kill or get killed and I dont believe you could have sit down with the russians, british, armenians, greeks, italians, french and could have made a "fair contract".
The armenians betrayed the ottomans and experienced the consequences of backstabbing. Abdülhamit, Talaat Pasha, Enver Pasha and Atatürk all of them have done the right thing on that matter.
The french in 1919 were relocating the christians from the middle east to cukurova and yüksekova with the intent of enmassing enough soldiers to start ethnic cleansing on turks. Crete, cyprus had turkish majorities so did many parts of the balkans.
Turks even if they dont talk about it, because they dont like to see themselves as victims, have experienced many genocides themselves.
@@myname1700 I am not a historian myself, I don't even know the role of Talat Pasha in this, but I know you cannot make Ataturk involve in this situation. It was Enver Pasha who gave the order to Armenians to relocate, and we know he did other bad things to Turkish people itself (like Sarıkamış). Thus, he was a bad person anyway.
I cannot believe you saying you're proud of this. All nations have fought some wars, all of them killed others, we cannot really do something about it anymore since it's in the past. But telling that you're proud is definitely not normal. It's just scary.
@@jiipai7952 well atatürk said quite clearly himself that this was no genocide it was a relocation programm, because armenians were attacking the supply lines.
If you are at war and one group actively is trying to make you loose for their own political goals and there is only one option
"kill or get killed" than you must protect your own family first and foremost.
Watch this video again and look if he (a british guy) even once mentions how armenians have killed 300 thousand turkish and kurdish muslim civilliance with russian weapons like Ilber Ortayli is claiming.
Many turkish soldiers were put to trial in turkey for there misshandling of the relocation programm, how many armenians were put to trial by Armenia for the killings of 100 of thousands turks in ottoman empire?, exactly "zero"!
If turks would have not relocated the armenians, I cant even imagine the horrors our ancestors would have experienced by 6 different foreign armies occupying turkey.
The Greeks genocided the turks in crete the first moment they had an opportunity to,
Yerevan the capital of armenia was build by an azeri turk called ismail shah for turks to live in. There are armenians which have written reports about turkish boys, which they have skinned alive to see how long it would take for them the die.
Be a soft person jii pai, if one day we would experience the same situation, I would do what would be necessary to protect your live, even if you would find it horrible and something sick to be proud of
@@myname1700 if someone is attacking you, defending yourself is the only option. not to do that would be only and only stupidity. but when you say I would do it again proudly, it sounds like you would fight not only with the soldiers, you would fight with everybody. including civilians. childs. that's when it becomes scary. I definitely am not denying Turkish people have experienced a lot of cruelty. I'm a Turkish person myself afterall. That's why I said every nation fought wars and killed people. Turkish people killed some other nations, others killed Turkish people. Showing only one side of this is obviously wrong and racist but that's just a reality that I got used to it. (Maybe I should also mention that I live in Czech Republic and see a lot of other nations naturally, so I know what do they think of us more.)
UA-cam must really enforce content policy on political and historical events so you can't upload without citing your sources. Unless we are just going to forever deal with very intelligent youtubers who doesn't know the difference between Nagorno-Karabakh and Nakhchivan but makes a 20-minute video about these countries.
can I ask to whom you are reffering
I'm definitely a massive map nerd and love geography but did not know Turkey bordered Azerbaijan until this video. Wow.
you must be lying then because every map nerd should know all the borders of the world or you just havent studied enough
Even as an amateur map nerd I knew that bruh
Nagorno karabakh is azeri territory
@@King_of_Prussia He could have just started looking at european maps tho
every mapper has an area of the world where he is better
@@javg3494 yes
Bruh I think you confused Nakhchivan (Azerbaijani exclave) with Nagorno-Karabakh (Armenian-controlled within Azerbaijan)
It isnt Armenian controlled anymore they had a war in 2021
I absolutely loved your purely hypothetical examples of countries having territorial disputes. I'm so happy to know this never happens in reality!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I refuse to believe in the existence of the Balkans and the middle east how can a place have so many disputes.
could result in a war or something!
Toycat: Iran and Armenia do not share a border
Also Toycat at 15:23: *shows the Armenian-Iranian border to the right of the western Azerbaijan label on the map*
The part of Azerbaijan that borders Turkey is Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic, which doesn't have any disputes with Armenia. You're confusing it with Nagorno-Karabakh. While it doesn't have any disputes, its history is still complicated as it was historically Armenian land as the province of Vaspurakan within the Armenian Kingdom. Nakhchivan (which is actually an Armenian name) was mixed Azerbaijani-Armenian until as late as a century ago when it became more homogenously Azerbaijani. When the Bolsheviks occupied the area in 1920, the Russians and Azerbaijan SSRs said that Nakhchivan, Nagorno-Karabakh, and Zangezur would all be integral parts of the Armenian SSR. However as we know, that's not what happened. The next year, Lenin betrayed the Armenians by giving Nakhchivan to Azerbaijan as an autonomous republic within it (on top of making Nagorno-Karabakh an autonomous oblast). Former President of Azerbaijan, Heydar Aliyev (father of Ilham Aliyev), is actually from there.
Interesting fact about Nakhchivan, their Supreme Assembly recognized Northern Cyprus as a state in the 90s and called upon Azerbaijan to do so. However despite being friends with Turkey, Azerbaijan hasn't as they fear doing so would make the Republic of Cyprus recognize Nagorno-Karabakh
@İmmortal Beast Don´t worry, the Ottoman just killed one and half million armenians and actual Turkey does not have enough courage to assume it.
Nakhichevan was also given to Azerbaijan by the USSR, was majority Armenian, and was historically Armenian
@@erikaloyan6281 I apreciate you to inform me about that fact. So, Turkey has no real borders with Azerbaidjan and the Azeris have no reason to claim Nagorno-Karabakh.
@@erikaloyan6281 Yerevan was majority azerbaijani, so give that to us and you can have Hankendi
@@rogeriomonteiro760 No we do, our border to azerbaijan is 9km long. Armenia has no claim over these territories as the last time they were independent before this was a milennia ago.
>Armenian Genocide
I want people who says "this happened" to tell that to my dead great grandma, so she can slap you across the face. She lost most of her family, friends when Armenian gangs attacked her village, she barely escaped with a group of old women. When Turkish forces came only then she returned to her village, they hid in a tiny cave for weeks with near to no food and water. When they returned to village every single Turkish and Kurdish people there were slaughtered by Armenians, corpses burnt, pregnant women butchered by their stomachs cut open (apparently it's "game" they played) and so on. A day later she finds her friend hiding in her family's burning house's chimney. Right next to all the charred corpses. So what happened wasn't a "genocide" it was "fighting back the fire with fire". I don't want to sound humane, but it was their people's own fault what happened. Though there were all kinds of shit going down in Eastern Anatolia at the time, each ethnicity living there had their own gangs, attacking villages of others, raiding, pillaging, and civilians mostly tried to help each other like Turks helping Kurds and Armenians and Arabs or Armenians helping Turks, Kurds and Arabs and so on. And forced migration was their own fault for sucking Russian dick, then making gangs attacking and raiding villages like a bunch of rabid dogs, I'd say they had it coming. It sounds cruel, but my family suffered from it, thankfully not on my father's side, because Armenians didn't have balls to attack a vilage that has "Kipchak" tribal people living in it, Kipchak people's wrath would have fucked them up (same people who stopped Mongolian conquest to the west in Russian steppes, and same mercenary people who destroyed crusaders in some crusades, then founded the state what was known at the time as "Mamelukes"). That's why I don't bullshit around when I say "t'was no genocide, just a race on who will murder who faster so they can get lands and self defence in some cases." It was chaos, a total shit show. Yet because Turks are Muslims and pretty much kicked major European ass back in their golden days as Ottoman Empire, it's easy to show them as targets. Turks are still waiting for those Armenian archives to open. LOL
She was in her early teens when this happened (1910s), y'know 5th/6th grade age, she was a mere kid. around the region what's today known as city of "Kars" as an additional information.
Actually, that bird thing is more complex than your explanation.
Turkey the bird isn't native to Turkey, but to Americas, and it's not commonly domesticated in Turkey. However, there is a species of cock that is native to Turkey, called "Turkey cock" at the time. When Europeans saw turkey the bird, however, they thought it was the same species as Turkey cock (because it looks similar) so they named it Turkey cock. They stopped using "cock" after a while, and it became just turkey.
most of what he said was total bullshit and wrong information. He said that Turkey-Iraq border is a natural good border. It is a fucking problematic border drawn by a stupid foreigner probably from his country. The border cuts mountains in half and that's very hard to protect.
Calling 1915 incidents "forceful integration of other peoples into the empire" must be the weirdest thing I have ever heard. Eastern Armenians wanted independence and they formed militia groups that would pillage and murder Turkish and Kurdish villages, Ottomans did what they do best and deported the trouble makers to somewhere else. This is why no armenian from west of anatolia were deported because they didnt rise up, so calling this "a forceful integration" just doesnt make sense. Eastern Armenians were poor just like any other ethnic group, thats why they happily rose up and murdered other peoples and not the rich ones living in Istanbul.
Its really funny when you think about it honestly, Ottoman Empire only had 1.2 million armenians in 1906 but is allegedly capable of killing 1.5 million (or 2.2m according to Armenian State) armenians and after that Turkey even has around 1.5 million armenians in 1922 according to british estimates. Turks are really capable in this business, making 1.2m people into -300k in just a year and a half just to make them 1.5m in just 4 years.
Nothing is funnier than "People in Turkiye are assimilated greeks, they arent real Turks." Turks were too based that they came as a absolute minority, conquered all the greek land and made all the greeks become Turkish. Too based ong.
Best comment I've ever seen. Thank you for the information :)
You couldn't explain it any better.
Yeah, lol. They started killing people and rise up in rebellion on eastern side, killing thousands of Turks with Terrorist groups supported by Russia at that time, and when Ottoman departs them away, they call it genocide? Yeah, many armenians died by poor management and many Kurdish and Turkish commanders killed a lot of Armenians but they were the ones who started chaos and slaughter first, deporting them away was a natural reaction.
@@Davit83820 Yeah CNN and New York Times also said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Just grow up.
6:30 well it was actually Turkey who closed its border with Armenia around 1993 following the occupation of Karabakh and not the other way around. The border was open for a short period of time between the dissolution of the USSR and Armenian occupation of Karabakh
4:50 slight correction: Turkey has 84 million people not 80.4
He’s British
85m
Nope it is 90M on 2022
i think i have too many alts
@@n.-_ it was 80m on 2010 before syrians and pakistanis and afghans moved now like 6M syrians -_- and afghans and pakistanis theyre total 10m
Countries didn't declare their independence from Turkey but from the Ottoman Empire, so did Turkey actually.
Also Naxcivan is a globally recognized exclave of Azerbaijan and doesn't really have an ethnic Armenian majority. I think you might've mixed it up with Karabağ.
Bonus addition: Turkey also had a tiny exclave in Syria.
1. yes but turks were the rulers of the ottoman empire, and the people group in power.
2. nakhijevan* doesn't have an ethnic armenian majority anymore* considering they were all forcefully deported in 1604
@@Geo-nw9ug You do realize that you didn't actually debunk any of the facts I provided, right? You just added details that literally everyone already knows and Toycat didn't get wrong so... even though it was aggressive and unnecessary, thank you for your input~
@@Geo-nw9ug actually if you take a look at the Ottoman family you will see they arent that Turkish the more generations down you go. Also the Ottoman elite were always the minorities like Greeks, Armenians and Jews who was also the elites in Byzantium, abd Turks were the farmers. Even the elite Janissary soldiers were minorities while Turks were the soldiers in the front row dying before the elites. That even became a problem after Turkish Independence because there were no rich Turkish bussiness men to grow the economy and the government had to do it themselves.
So in a way, the Ottomans were just the continuation of Byzantium, just a bit different. The Ottoman Sultand even called themselves Kayzer-i Rum which means the Ceasar of Rome.
@@chickensoldier9790 broooo what the helll
@@ghosterxp wdym what the hell
9:00 bro called rize rice
bruh
lmfao
The entirety of Turkey is a danger zone if you have a cat allergy
The thing is, extraterritorial operations are against PKK in Northern Iraq, Kurdish Regional Group (Autonomous Kurdistan) actually supports Turkish intervention into N.Iraq
wtf theyre not supporting turkey
@@ghosterxp they are,
Can't you just google
I'm sorry, this is too high quality. Tone it down for the next video.
It's almost like he cares
The problem is, I guess, having clear ideas based on second hand information from the internet or short term visitors/visits. Otherwise it wouldn't be that easy to smile over such communal wounds, especially with a stinky mouth placed on a (relatively) disgustigly ugly face.
Well said, korean. But youre not east, north, west or south korean, aren't you?
Is it still ok to make a statement like "you are ugly"? hahahah
I agree with the first half of your comment.
@@dr.strangelove8734 It's relative.
@@DenizdQld It's your choice. But I should recommend you look him again, regarding relativity of course.
"You can just simply walk from Syria to Turkey."
6 million refugees:
Approved!
@Player1234 I just said the Syrian ones.
is it just me or are there quite a few of inaccuracies in this?
There are. He confused Karabakh with Nakhcivan, forgot that there were an actual genocide attempt against Turks in Cyprus, forgot Iraqi Kurdistan and Turkey is working together against terrorism, couldnt call PKK what it is -a terrorist group-, what he said about why the armenian genocide happened or how it happened was wrong, called Turkish Cyprus a puppet state even though they are free and do criticize Turkey and Erdogan more than a citizen of Turkey does. There might be some more.
There is a Turkish offical land in the middle of Syria and its tomb of Suleiman Shah but we moved it to homeland because of civil war.
Most of the time, the simple map was fine with what you wanted to talk about. But a few times you went into details that wasn't really showing on the map. Such as how the border goes exactly; talking about roads and bridges, and rivers, things that didn't really show.
7:36 it is not a genocide, let me explain. The Armenians were killing and burning people who lived in the today's Turkey- Armenia border. So the Ottoman Goverment send them to Syria but when moving most of the Armenians died from epidemic diseases
Turks suffered defeats on the Russian front and used Christian Armenians as scapegoats. Turks systematically genocided them.
It put a smile on my face when Biden recognized the Armenian genocide infront of the whole world. Even Hitler said he was inspired by the Armenian genocide.
I just want to say one thing. Did you do research? Also, you said that the land of Azerbaijan should belong to Armenia. Because Azerbaijan has no land connection with it, right? Then what is England doing in Cyprus, in Gibraltar? Do they have a land connection with it? You say that Turkey occupied Cyprus, but do you know that the Ottomans conquered it in 1573? And that the Greeks who were there tried to force the Turks out of Cyprus by applying force? Do you know the Khojaly Massacre that Armenians carried out against Azerbaijanis? And according to people in Armenia, 1.5 million Armenians were killed during the Armenian Genocide in those years, but according to the sources of that time, there were no 1.5 million people in Armenia. What about the Aegean Islands problem? You just said that the Italians gave it to Greece. And you know who gave those islands to Italy? Ottoman! The Ottomans gave these islands to Italy for a short time, but after the First World War, Italy took the islands and gave them to Greece. In addition, according to the Treaty of Lausanne, Greece should not arm the islands, but Greece does not do this. Likewise, according to the Treaty of Lausanne, it is forbidden for Greece to increase the territorial sea limit of the islands from 6 miles, but Greece even says that it will increase it to 12 miles. Turkey is in an unfair position in this regard. And most countries (USA, EU) support Armenia and Greece, although they are wrong on this issue. Please let's talk some facts. :)
Turks suffered defeats on the Russian front and used Christian Armenians as scapegoats. Turks systematically genocided them.
It put a smile on my face when Biden recognized the Armenian genocide infront of the whole world. Even Hitler said he was inspired by the Armenian genocide.
@@liveforever9888 Because Armenians Helped the Russians in the First World War, the Ottomans had the "TROUBLE-MAKING" Armenians immigrated to Syria. The Armenians who died on the way here are not the fault of the Ottomans. "It put a smile on my face when Biden recognized the Armenian genocide infront of the whole world. Even Hitler said he was inspired by the Armenian genocide." You said, "No country has defended the Turks because the Turks' right has already been defeated." Therefore, most countries defended the Armenian Genocide because of their interests. And they taught you things that are not true so that if something happens in the future, you will defend the Armenian Genocide. That's why most people don't know the truth and defend things that aren't true.
Well obviously youre a turk so you beleive your own propaganda so lets make that clear for everybody ...
@@armanboghossian9438 No. I don't believe in the things I've been taught myself. I do my own research and examine events from multiple sources.
you must get so much joy pronouncing "aegean" the way you do
what a weird way to spell the egg'n sea
It’s intentional - to get a bunch of comments that wouldn’t have otherwise been posted. Lots of UA-camrs do it, now that you know, you’ll see it all of the time.
If you know what happened in Crete you would know why Turkey has invaded Cyprus.
Crete was under Ottoman rule and island was about 55 percent greek and 45 percent Turkish. So we cant really say it is fully greek or Turkish however, Greeks started to take arms and killed local Turkish population. At that time Ottoman lacked proper ships to intervene in and The West knew that so a coalition of Western powers called this "a crisis" and sent their navy to blockade Crete from Greece and Ottomans. Meanwhile genocide to Turkish in Crete continued and this conflict started a War: Greece vs Ottoman Empire
Greece was all alone and Ottomans won the war. Ottomans could have push as far as Athens but The Western powers threatened Ottomans to end the war. In the peace treaty, little did ottoman gain in the balkans. But Crete became an independent State. Later, this "independent state" was about 70 percent greek. So all governors were greek and slaughter continued. Then Crete joined Greece.
After independence from British Empire, Cyprus was about 60-40 greek-turk so Turks had to be in the government. They rightfully were in but Turkish villagers were started to get slaughtered. This could have lead to no Turks in goverment. Things started just like Crete. But now Turkey had a power to intervene.
Since without Turks in Cyprus it would not protect its status of " Cant join the neither countries " as proposed in independence.
If all island was greek there would be no need to joining to Greece ,as an example: belarus and russia, Cyprus would be a Greek puppet. Turkey intervened and saved her people. No matter how you see it, it was a rightful move, we already experienced the Worst in Crete.
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Interesting fact some of the cretean turks moved to lebnon and they still recognize themself as a turkish but sadly they cant speak
It's unbelievable how Turks learn history. For you Turks the world started 1453 and it doesn't matter what you conquered and killed at these century. Before 1453 nothing has existed for Turkey and this is a big problem.
Of course after many years we took back our land, culture and what ever belonged before to Greece. Greece exist about 3000 years. So never forget your genocide before it happened to you☝️
@@greekstyle2954 well i dont care what you had before.
I accept the old world was cruel. And bad things happened but claiming lands about 600 years old dead Empire and kill people to start crisis is not a thing both sides would agree.
If greeks knew their place in Cyprus and just didnt start to kill Turks in island everything would be fine. A nice Buffer island limiting Turkish and greek influence over mediterranean and keeping peace but guess what? Nope.
Same in Crete it was meant to be an independent state as the West say but that independent state does the opposite and Later joined Greece by exploiting weak Ottoman navy.
Countries and "Sides" have their own goals in certain regions. You either agree on terms for peace or you fight for it.
You never tried to agree on peace.
I understand your effort in the balkans, all way to the sellaniko was yours. But either you accept it or not Crete and Cyprus had another idendity from then. If you somehow conquer Turkey and somehow become about the same population in the region I would say yes this is not it was meant to be.
I cant just say Athens was Ottoman or Damascus was Ottoman to claim land. Catalans cant claim sicily from Aragon, it was past.
Now I claim that Turks learned their lesson from crete because Turks got slaughtered and you defend it by saying also greeks were in 1100s so what? Does it change anything? No. You cant make the right decisions by revenges. If you killed murderers instead of jailing, it wouldnt be justice. And only thing Im here to legitimize is Turkish intervention in Cyprus and nothing more. But you bring up past's past to legitimize your slaughter. Well if you could intervene you could. If we could intervene we could. Thats nothing but taking a lesson from it and doing the best for your nation.
I hope peace keeps its place. And greece knows her place.
@@berkeihlamur4160 before you tell me about peace and independent, tell it to your government first of all.
I'm really fascinated how good propaganda works in Turkey and people started to believe fake history.
Finally, a video about Turkey, lovely!
Ne lovelysi adam a*ımıza koymuş yalan bilgilerle
I really find country borders and the relationships between these countries quite fascinating. I hope you do this with other countries.
same
I really do like the new editing combined with the low quality video. It works together very well.
agreed
We made lots of laws to protect the Armenians. In fact the reason why we wanted them out of the Ottoman Empire at the time Armenian gangs killed about 1.5-2.0 million turks including kids and women.
Haha nice joke you are just making excuses 😅 germans even admitted their own involvement in the Armenian genocode
@@wankawanka3053 bro go do some research. if so then where is your evidence?
Translated from Wikipedia
The Armenian Question or the Armenian Question is an Armenian issue, which is discussed with a political approach between the Turkish states and Western countries, starting from the Ottoman period and extending to the Turkish period.[1] The content of the Armenian Genocide, which was presented as the rights of Armenian citizens during the Ottoman period, and then took place after the First World War, is politically and legally based on the *allegation* that the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire were killed intentionally and under orders by the state administration, and for this reason, the events were of a genocidal nature. The "counter-claim" or "explanation" made by Turkey in relation to this new allegation, which has become more complicated, caused these deaths not to be a systematic state policy, but to war conditions, diseases, climate, attacks by gangs and tribes in the region, and the lack of facilities to facilitate the forced migration of Armenians. It is the subject that takes its present form with the showing of factors such as the cause.
@@wankawanka3053 go look at hocali massacre :)
@@Davit83820 BTW where is your evidence on your first comment. I'll reply to you later
Turkey borders Nakchivan that's part of Azerbaijan!
Minecraft sound effects are so great
I like that you put some editing work into this video, i love the style, and i also love how u kept your train of thought going like you always do. Always entertaining! I appreciate it
1- The reason Turkish-Armenian border is closed is the fact Armenia occupied illegaly the UN recognized lands of Azarbaijan. It has nothing to do with so called fake "Armenian Genocide"... Armenia really wants to open the borders but the same time they don't wanna give up the lands they have captured from Azarbaijan.
2- Georgian and Turkish relations are pretty goood. A lot of the Georgian military equipment are donated from Turkey and Turks can enter Georgia without passports.
3- There is a massive wall between Syria and Turkey and literally drones fly 24/7 so it is not easy to pass the border.
4- PKK is not a communist organization they just call themself that cause in 70s that was the trend with terrorists.
5- Iran and Turkey relations are pretty bad. Some tourists visit Turkey from Iran doesn't make their relations good at all. Iran threatens Azarbaijan and Turkey all the time and make propaganda against them because around %40 of Iran consist of Turkish/Azeri people and Iran is afraid that they would uprise to join Azerbaijan or Turkey.
6- Turkey does have a border with Azarbaijan. That area is called Nakhcivan and it is a part of Azarbaijan legally. I don't understand why are you not sure if they have a border or not lol.
all of them is true except for the part with syrian border. syrian refugees can actually walk through the border, thousands of them do everyday :( but other than that, very nice explanations 👍👍
Syrian border is not true bc there is no border its just like public toilet
Turks suffered defeats on the Russian front and used Christian Armenians as scapegoats. Turks systematically genocided them.
It put a smile on my face when Biden recognized the Armenian genocide infront of the whole world. Even Hitler said he was inspired by the Armenian genocide.
Loving the new edit style! Seems like a lot more effort when into this style of videos! (hopefully)
Armenia: Rebel against Ottomans so Ottomas suppressed the revolt let's act like it was genocide.
Bro turned into Turkish person 🇹🇷
Turk here. I just did a whole presentation to my class about the Armenian deportation today. It is simply silly to suggest that Türkiye decided to eradicate the entire Armenian entitiy out of nowhere, after 800 years of living together.
Armenians (just like almost every minority in the Ottoman Empire) wanted to gain independence and their own free state. During WW1 (1914-1918) while the Ottoman Empire was fighting in numerous fronts like Palestine, Galicia, Caucasus, Gallipoli etc. against the allied powers, Armenians supported the Russians in their invasion of Anatolia. Spesifically in 1915, the Armenians of Van (a big city with significant Armenian population) rebelled agianst the empire and the city fell to the Russians with no resistance, because it was taken from the inside. This year was the year the Ottomans won the Gallipoli war against the British. The entire country was full of war and invasion from all sides and your own Armenian citizens cooperating with the enemy and giving away entire cities overnight to them wasn't helping.
The Armenians also commited mass murders on the Muslims of the Eastern Anatolia mostly because they wanted to be the majority in the region. As a result 2.500.000 Muslims were killed in the region between 1892-1918. The mass graves are still being found out in the region.
So the Ottoman empire decided to deport around 450.000 Armenians living in Eastern Anatolia (official numbers) to Syria and Iraq, especially to the city of Deyrizor along the Euphrates river. The Armenians in the western cities weren't subjected to this deportation, as they didn't pose a threat. Also women, children and trustworthy businessmen were also not included. The Ottoman Army was ordered to protect the Armenians on the way from internal threats. Around 46.000 Armenians died on the way due to famine, difficult situaitons and attacks from Turks who were angry at Armenians as well as some Ottoman officials.
A total of 600.000 Armenians are believed to die in those years. Many of whom were actually killed by local people or officlals who misused their power out of hatred for what the Armenians did to Turks, which in no way justifies it of course.
As a result, the Ottoman Empire charged more than 1.600 people for their crimes against the Armenians, out of around 500 were convicted and 67 were hanged, including an Ottoman governor.
How many Armenians were charged for their crimes against the Muslims/Turks of Eastern Anatolia? Zero.
In 1919 after the war, the Ottoman Empire invited the deported Armenians back to their homes, and 277.000 Armenians did come back.
How is it a "genocide" if the Ottoman Empire ordered its army to protect the Armenians? How is it a genocide if the wrongdoers were charged and executed by the state? How is it a genocide if the people of the same ethnicity in the western provinces were not subjected to it?
The Ottoman Empire was friendly towards Armenians. It was the Turkish Republic that committed the genocide because they wanted an ethnically pure state.
@@savvageorge turkish republic was founded in 1923 though
Nice. I'm also Turkish and i feel sad when people say Armenian Genocide happened. Yeah, obviously a lot of Armenians died on these area and time. But you can't say genocide to this events just with "dead people". Genocide is a serious allegation. I can't accept these allegations without 100% proofs. And clearly there is no proof.
I think if the Armenians had won the war against the Ottoman Empire, there will be no genocide allegations.
@@menear The founding father of the Turkish Republic, Mustafa Ataturk, was a major general in 1914 during WW1. The people who created the Turkish Republic where the same people behind the Armenian genocide.
@@Davit83820 İkdam was a privately owned newspaper, like New York Times who had written stuff like "Saddam has nuclear weapons" :D. Although I cant find the front page you are referring to (real one just says "3 more pashas have fled the country") Ahmet Cevdet Oran who is owner of the newspaper was a staunch anti-ittihatist, so it wouldnt surprise me if they did actually wrote that.
"Maybe even Russia with its fifteen" sixteen if you include Finland! The Grand Duchy of Finland was within the Russian Empire from 1809 to 1917 when the Finns had enough of the Russification policies of the Tsars, formed a Diet where they remade their constitution and included universal suffrage which the Russians tried to dissolve, and took the opportunity to declare independence during the revolution.
This war for independence became a civil war between the Finnish White Guard (backed by the German Empire) and the Red Guards (supplied by the Soviets). The White Guard won, with the Germans wanting to have a German-led Finnish monarchy but as a result of Germany's loss, Finland instead became a democratic republic.
I see you everywhere.
Seventeen if you include Poland?
So, lets take "communist PKK" under scrutinize, do you think that a country of Kurds, no need a name, by having territories from Irak, Syria and Turkey would become a democratic country like Finland? If no, why? Waiting for your respond.
As a turkish person I must say that you are terribley misinformed about a lot of points that you made in your video.
A fun fact is that many Turks ,which are living in the EU, cross the kapıkule border out of nostalgia, because they did that as they where younger to visit their homeland, because flying back then was way to expensive. (I also do it with my family nearly every year and we drive from Germany to Türkiye by car)
That something i can totally relate. Also droping a Turkish word in the middle of an English sentence is weird just say Turkey
@@fallendown8828 nope
it is Türkiye we are not Birds it is because of British Again on English They Were calling our Countries Turkey.
it is Türkiye always on Turkish
and even on Old English and European countries were calling us Turkiyya (land Of Turks) since Seljuk Rum State Because Byzantine was gone from Anatolia. So Europeans called Turkiyya it wasnt Turkey all time.
it was Türkiye always before too.
@@animasyonYT Why even explain to me, i am Turkish you know? And no they don't called us Turkiye ever, they have called the land of Turks "Turcia" in latin since Eastern Romans first contacted with Turkic tribes. But it is still weird to drop a Turkish name in the middle of an English sentence so don't use it in regular conversations, the name change is only meant for legal documents and stuff
@@fallendown8828 kardeşim yanlış biliyorsun.
Selçuklu zamanında Bizans'ın topraklarını fethettikden sonra anladılar türk toprağı olduğunu Turkiyya (land of Turks) dediler
Hindi denmedi bize ilk zamanlarda 1100 ve 1200lerde Anadolu ya ilk ayak bastığımız zamanda.
@@animasyonYT Why are you so locked down with the bird? NO they didn't called Anatolia Turkiyya (that's Arabic version btw), they called it Turcia which still means the land of the Turks in latin then Brits like to every latin word they do translated it to English but coincidentally Turcia translates to Turque which with time evolved to Turkey and this is also the English word for a bird so that's totally a coincidence and nobody says Turkey comes from a bird name
loved this video. thank you. Turkey is such an interesting country. An interesting fun fact about Turkey is also that it lost so much European land (when it was the Ottoman Empire) that it owned even before it owned some of the land it currently has in it's Eastern / Asian part. Like for example the entire Armenian Plateau and Hatay Pronvince are recent additions to Turkey whereas the southern part of Bulgaria and much of modern day Greece were annexed way before but Turkey lost tons of its European land and was never able to get it back.
Loved the video.
I didnt thought countryballs x ibx2cat is what I needed the most haha, cheers
Armenians joined forces with the bolsheviks in the midst of world war 1, in which the ottomans were engaged, and committed massacres of the ottoman population. The ottomans then deported the armenian population to syria, where many perished. Other smaller kurdish and other traditionalists also committed massacres against the armenian population. Today's armenians insist on the recognition of a genocide, while the Turks insist a massacre. Armenia rejects a historical reappraisal of all international archieve. It demands unconditional recognition of a genocide, which turkiye did not accept, they want a international research on this case.
With regard to relations with georgia, it is somewhat more complicated. My ancestors are colchians. It is an ancient culture, with the greek mythology of the golden fleece. The colchians who stayed behind on the georgian side are now the mingrelians and were christianised. Kolchians who remained on the turkish side are today the lazs, who were later islamised. Batumi, Rize, Poti and Kutaissi was the core area of the colchians. The georgians and turks along the border are culturally merged but have different religions today. They still have the best relations with each other. The state relations can be described as stable.
Turks suffered defeats on the Russian front and used Christian Armenians as scapegoats. Turks systematically genocided them.
It put a smile on my face when Biden recognized the Armenian genocide infront of the whole world. Even Hitler said he was inspired by the Armenian genocide.
@@liveforever9888 If this is so, as you claim, why do the armenians not get involved in an international commission of enquiry ? There are several parties involved in this case who are providing their archieve. If everything is as absolute as you claim, why are the armenians boycott an investigation ?
As a Turk, it is the first time i ever heard that Turkey(Or Erdogan in this case) has land claims on Georgia. I think almost every Turkish people would oppose a war on Georgia.
On the other hand, some of our politicians sometimes makes dumb claims like this(Such cases were made for iraq and syria) but everyone know they just do it for the nationalist votes.
As a Turk, i can assure you that no one cares about the name change. I think it was stupid to change the international name to "Türkiye"
I thought it's just another thing that your president shows the true turkish spirit to the worlds community. You know "pride" and "nationalism".
@@TheLibermania I hope that we will get rid off him in june next year
@@LEONKING360 You have my best wishes.
As a Turk, i agree. Even if we changed, i think it should have been more something like "Turkia" the latin word for 'land of the Turks' and this is both historically accurate and Europeans are more familiar with latin pronunciation
@@LEONKING360 yeah he hasn't tried to defuse the situation with us, and he has changed the military staff to like him so you could expect a dictatorship or a coup
This is the quality content I'm here for 😻 enjoy your lobster rolls
Turkey isn't named after Turkey(the animal) its named after the turks wich is the people who migrated from Mongolia.
the editing is really great and refreshing
It's really not that complicated why the Dodecanese islands were given to Greece. Greek people live there since the Bronze age, colonialism was declared cringe after the wars of significant proportions, so the islands were returned to Greece.
Agree. Also Asia minor is near the Aegean islands so they are Greek.
@@stephmod7434 the eagean islands are near asia minor so they are turkish
@@bruhovski7554 The Aegean Islands are inhabited by Greeks, so they are Greek.
@@fidemporas and asia minor is also inhabited by turks
@@bruhovski7554 Sure, Asia Minor is indeed inhabited by Turks, and it will be the last place to come under their reach. The islands are Greek.
7:35
Did you exclude Poland from the countries bordering Russia because of Czechia annexing Kaliningrad?
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Small error about the azerbaijan-armenia situation. Nakhchivan, the reigion of azerbaijan that borers turkey is a disputed territory at all. It is majority azeri and controlled by Azerbaijan. I believe you are getting it mixed up with Nagorno Karabakh, which is to the east of armenia. That is the region where after armenia invaded in the 90s, they genocided and deported azeris to create the Armenian majority that exists today. This is the area that they actively still fight over today, but either way, no matter who owns this area, turkey and Azerbaijan border each other in nakhchivan
Armenia owned that land even before entering the USSR, and then Stalin arbitrarily decided to give it to Azerbaiyan, just as toycat mentioned with Nakhichevan. There was no genocide, that's what your dictator wants you to think in order to keep you distracted from him amassing power and not letting you have democracy
@@arielgoska5955 Bold of you to assume im from azerbaijan. And your statement doesn't make any sense considering that the entire area was part of Iran before russia, and so Armenia didn't control it itself either.
the minecraft sound effects are great
Hahahaha yes
The name of the bird turkey in different languages is quite interesting. While the bird itself originates from the Americas, it is named after Turkey in English, named after India in Turkish and many other languages, including Italian and French, but named after France in Greek! Portuguese and Croatian come close by naming it after Peru, while the Nordic languages and Dutch name it specifically after Calcutta in India.
An even more entertaining example of the same phenomenon is the name of syphillis in different languages, I encourage you to look it up.
Great list! I’ll add that it’s called “Roman Rooster” in Arabic
Very interesting! Thank you.
@@fahadalsaggar8376 Nice! I realized I hadn't checked what it was in Hindi --- apparently it is named after Turkey (-:
"the Americas" America.
@@MisterSpeedStacking "The Americas, which are sometimes collectively called America, are a landmass comprising the totality of North and South America."
Bulgaria has a significsnt Turkish population and that makes Bulgaria and turkey have a great relation.
Its not about humane relations. Its about the money rates.
turkey-iran border is one of the oldest on earth btw
Turkey was not even born when the genocide was
It was in ottoman time
No offence, just sayin
Thank you for reminding that we changed our name to Türkiye
Even I forget about that. What an unnecessary change
A couple major corrections:
- 12:43 Iraq is *against* the Turkish operations in N-Iraq a.k.a _Iraqi Kurdistan_ . The ironic part is, the current leading party in Kurdistan, the Kurdistan Democratic Party, and the Kurdish Peshmerga is in a joint Turkish-Kurdish operation against the Kurdish PKK...(you read that right). Both sides even fought together during the Iraqi-Kurdish civil war in 97’ against the PUK and PKK.
- 6:20 Both the Turkish and Armenian government has expressed that the borders *WILL* be open (soon). Starting just recently with the allowance of third-country-nationals. In the near future also for Turks and Armenians. This came after a set of Normalisation Processes.
- 1:09 Turkey’s (the bird) isn’t native to Turkiye (I’m gonna spell it this way to avoid confusion). They are native to the Americas. Why is called Turkey? Because of the famous ‘Turkey cock bird’ found in Turkiye which looks similar to the turkey bird. So European colonialists called them ‘Turkey cocks’ which later became just ‘Turkey’.
- 8:48 Erdogan himself is from Georgian descent. This quote (which often gets taken out of context by the west) is regarding the many different ethnic backgrounds the Turks have as a result of the Mucahirs (Muslim refugees from ex-Ottoman lands that fled to Anatolia to escape ethnic cleansing, genocide, massacres, forced deportations, assimilation,... there’s an entire Wiki for those interested. That’s what the quote refers to. People who fled their homelands and settled within the borders of Turkey.
- 9:22 Turkey and Syria do not get along...it’s even worse than the Greece-Turkey relationship
There are more mistakes but these are the major ones I wanted to put out.
Also the entire ‘genocide’ thing. The deaths are not denied. The amount is still up to debate but the deaths are not denied. The Turkish government says that from the 1.2m Armenians AT LEAST 600k were killed. At least.
Then why does Turkey not accept it as a genocide? Simple because of the one sided narrative. Turkey wants the other side of the story to be told. Muslim Turks and Kurds may have killed Christian Armenians and Greeks but they themselves witnessed ethnic cleansing as well. And ironically this is denied by the same countries that force Turkey to recognise the genocide.
Each story has two sides.
France did the same thing to the Algerians
Nothing like people have no ideas about history makeing videoa ! British Empire have a millions of sq miles way away from their original country call colonies . Ottoman Empire were bigger than British empire for 550 years which makes Turkiye hav lots of claims and land have a right to claim . 32 country come out of 1923 . Armenians terorist killed 400000 women and children 1912-15 in east of Turkey which end up 1915 reassignment of Armenian from Anadolia . If you kill your ottoman citizens for division you get your ass kicked ! This dude have no idea about cypress neither enosis organization tryed to coup in cypress to take over cypress which was %30 turkish .1965-1974 Greece invade the island Turks did piece operation after bloody noel Greece killed and tortured 8000 turks in island . As a part owner of island and protector of Turkish population everyone live in peice since 1974 thanks to Turks
I am super happy that you will keep your video quality down and looking forward to see more low effort content!
Ouch
is this a joke or what this is the third comment wth
some fun facts:
1) Ottoman Empire was way bigger than you showed up
2) syria and Türkiye arent the best friend, türkiye's best friend is azerbaijan (in borders)
3) Türkiye has 8 border with different countries (nakhchivan is azerbaijan territory so azerbaijan included)
4) armenian genocide didnt exist, it was security precaution because armenians killed many turk and burned many villages so they were terrorists so it was security precaution not a genocide
5) Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is real, also greek cypriots were killed many Turk Cypriot and burned many villages too so Türkiye saved the Turk Cypriots and got back their land in 1974
Turks suffered defeats on the Russian front and used Christian Armenians as scapegoats. Turks systematically genocided them.
It put a smile on my face when Biden recognized the Armenian genocide infront of the whole world. Even Hitler said he was inspired by the Armenian genocide.
Turkish propaganda
@@armanboghossian9438 propaganda? How about y'all cowards open your libraries and docs to the world so everyone can see the truth.
@@armanboghossian9438 what is turkish propaganda? tell me which
@@phantyr 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.
I read the word "strangest" in the title as "strongest", it was really tragicomic.
Ehm nope
I literally crossed all of those borders (aside from Armenia and Syria, which is not recognized) without issues.
With Greece and Bulgaria is quite easy, just time demanding but not that much
In Cyprus, well, some questions, but easy
Georgia, just time consuming
Nakchivan...easy
Iran...easy, just 5 hours at the border
Iraq, not me personally having crossed but a friend did and yeah, 5-6 hours and some security concern.
With Armenia the situation is up to a diplomatic and militar (NATO vs Russia in Armenia) thing, but besides buffer zones, you can get very close from both points (E.G. Ani or Khor Virap) to those buffer zones.
Syria, well, Turkey is occupying a strip of land and the south east of Turkey is militarized (Checkpoints everywhere), but once I was there it was sort of ok.
So, dunno, a bit overreacting this video and definitely it seems you never been in Turkey in first place?
Oh BTW, I am not even a turk, I am from Italy
Finally, someone can understand! People like him that never been to Turkey, make comments and this is the most stupid thing imo. They dont understand the dynamics of the country. They just produce content by non-objective sources. There were lots of mistakes in this video that I felt so annoyed. Thanks dude🤗
The bird business is more complicated than that, even: people associated *guinea fowl* with Turkey because they were resold by Turkish merchants (though they are not from there), and then they thought the New World birds looked vaguely like giant guinea fowl, though they had never been associated with Turkey in any way.
Ypu missed Greece attempt to invade cyprus. You are extremly biased
'A part of my country is involved in this too'
Where isn't the UK involved in?
Ottomans tried to temporarily relocate Armenians inside Ottoman territory (current day Syria) during the war. But it was chaos and Ottoman army couldn't protect them. Also most of the Armenians are killed by Kurds because they wanted Armenian lands and possessions which they got. Most of the former Armenian cities and villages are now Kurdified.
“Relocate” Sure 🤣🤣 more like systematically genocide
@@liveforever9888 France did the same thing to the Algerians
Wow finally a toycat vid about my country
19:00 if northen Cyprus are turkish puppet state then that makes south Cyprus a greek puppet state, south cyprus are greek inhabitants
kuzey kıbrıs’ta türkiye’nin aksine belli bir oranda demokrasi ve basın özgürlüğü var.
That was an awesome video. An increase in quality without increase in quality. Well done!
7:35 thats what we call a little amount of trolling
The editor style is fun, personally i would like a duck moment again so that i could relax a bit
Fun fact: in polish turket bird is called indyk, which comes from country of India
Oh, this is almost similar in Russian, indyuk ;)
In Greek its Galopoula (Γαλοπούλα).
In Turkish also we call that bird ‘Hindi’ which is come from India lol
It's pulyka in Hungarian.
Another fun Turkey Poland fact. There is a place named after Poland in Istanbul because there are (or were) Poles living there.
Amazing quality. I love this channel
Can you define quality?
19:02 Northern Cyprus is Not An Puppet State they're free on everything.
Even on Politics.
Love this editing style (and video format (i mean like explaning funny borders))
Turkie has done an amazing job of convincing everyone they are Switzerland, while disagreeing with just about everyone about something. Stellar!
Other than the font choice (imo), the new editing is just fine.
Amazing video, brilliantly edited!!
Hey toycat, thanks for the video!
Only piece of information I'd suggest you review is the difference between Nagorno-Karabakh and Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic. The former being the one mostly populated by people from Country A, whereas the latter doesn't have a border dispute problem, so it does qualify the 8th neighbour of Turkey.
Apart from this, amazing video, enjoyed watching/listening a lot - as always!
actually, it used to be a blend of Armenians and Azerbaijani, but all of the Armenians got kicked out. in 1828, it was around a 50-50 split.
Editing good... it improved a lot 😀
I like the editing style. It's crazy how many real-world problems result in invisible lines we draw on a rock floating in space.
I really liked this editing!
And a friendly reminder: There is no such thing as an Armenian Genocide :)
There is, then what are the photos that you can find online if the Armenian children taking refuge in iraq because their parents are dead by the Turks who killed them all? I’m Iraqi myself and we have many Armenians in iraq because many of them were running away from the Turks who were genociding them, don’t believe Turkish propaganda brother
"...Country C becomes independent from its big tea sipping overlords..."
Which one?
I wonder how much did he get from armenian/kudish lobbyists
Turkey technically borders Cyprus as well as UK because the island is split 3 ways. The country named Cyprus is on the southern part of the island, turkey owns/claims the northern part of it (although no one actually recognises this) and UK owns to small areas around south east.
However the occupation of the northern part of the island approximately 35% of the island that happened in 1974 is illegal, against the international law and therefore no country in the world accepts it neither as a country.
@@TheMscarpediem It was to protect the Turkish Cypriots, just search up Bloody Christmas
@@maas1208 that makes it legal? Do you agree also with the current invasion of Ukraine by the Russians?
@@TheMscarpediem well the Russians in the Donbas region have victims of hate crimes
As a turkish person We totally love our syrian brothers running a business without paying taxes in our own country :)
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@@sahan1160 İroni
Well that is the least you all could do after supporting terrorist groups to kill Syrians and Kurds.
I hope you know that yes some Armenians did die but the pictures are taken in Van Türkiye where Armenians commited genocide on Turks
Wikipedia says the Nakhchivan is majority Azerbaijanian
because it is
@@caglasainz didn't toycat imply it's armenian?
He mixed it up with Karabakh. The part about Azerbaijani border was full of bs.
As someone who watches both of your channels I love this editing style
12:20 You have no idea right? You should not talk about these very important issues as a joke. My best friend's brother killed by them and we all know what are they in here. If you don't know, shut up. You are not living in the middle east maybe but we do. Everything in the video is just saying "ooh Turkey is saying this but it is actually wrong..." you have to understand something: We are more educated about our problems and we know better than you. It is not just government's views. Erdogan is a really bad president but we are not evil as much as you think. Unlike you think, most of these terrorist organizations are supported by a few countries which has strong effect on world's politics. Armenian genocide, Turkey's secret Kurdish attacks, Greek torture stories are coming from the 1920's and they are still spoken by the brainwashed people. West knows how to do propaganda very well. I just want you to stop talking about our issues without knowing a one real fact.
wait that isn't google maps... i feel scammed
I wish he showed some screenshots of it. Like that road that was claimed to dip into Turkey, which we couldn't see due to the style of the map.
Thanks for this video. 😃