The superintendent sounds like he wants to keep graduation rates high to ensure tax dollars continue to flow in his district. The lower end kids getting passing grades will still not be able to compete at college level.
It's not like a student with low grades on their transcript (even low Bs) is going to get accepted into 4 yr. universities where they need to be college ready. If low scoring students (70s - 80s) want to continue their education after high school, they will be accepted to ju-cos or community colleges. This is where they should be anyway for further preparation. A student preparing for uni entrance is usually taking higher level courses where I'm sure the bar is still very high on grading. Arguments against this system are making a mountain out of a molehill.
@@kristinarumfelt This socialistic grading system robs students of their motivation. Getting 50% for doing nothing encourages lack of effort by positively reinforcing undesirable behavior. Even students caught cheating are rewarded with 50% credit. When students can pass doing only 1 out of 5 assignments, they really don't know anything. Finally, the 50% free system cheapens the already severely diluted value of a high school diploma. Why not simply put a stack of blank diplomas on the curb and let everyone have one?
Dumbing down children leads to dumbing down adults. Imagine a doctor that graduated and can’t pass their boards that determine minimum competency. It’s happening already. Very scary.
@@tachyon8317 it probably does reward both, but our school grading system is set up so that effort counts and laziness is a much higher cause of failure than being stupid is, so that’s why the new policy helps lazy kids the most. A stupid person may do poorly on the exams but still turn in all the homework and pass.
No this does the opposite. It prevents kid’s parents from completing assignments and addresses the actual learning concerns of that individual student.
Yep. The concept behind this system is the very concept underlying "Universal Basic Income," i.e., you are entitled to unearned grades and unearned money because Marxism is the idea of "each according to his abilities, each according to his needs."
I always did my homework. There was such an excessive amount of homework I didnt understand how my peers had any free time for extracurriculars. It wasn’t until I got to college I learned most of these kid’s parents had tutors, and only tutors, while someone else did their homework. I was doing homework for my advanced classes from 4pm When I got home to 12-1am and then having to get up at 5am to walk to school and get to my 7am class. I am 30 years old this wasn’t too long ago and I went to college to become a teacher so I learned all about this. Only older teachers complain about this system.
@@MajimeTV I don't know what country you are from but most of that is simply not true. It can't be. Very few kids have tutors and very few have other people doing their homework for them. There is no way you were doing homework every night from 4:00 PM till 1:00 AM. That's nine hours of homework. You did not then sleep for four hours and walk two hours to school because school is over at 3:30 and if it takes you two hours to walk to school then it take you two hours to walk home from school so you are getting home at 5:30, so you can't start your homework at 4:00. If you are 30 then you are saying this happened 13 years ago. That's impossible
So they are not giving out homework because they think the kid's parent might be doing it?? The guy who wrote this book is truly reaching in order to try to justify his theory. The fact that this grading system also punishes those who had been getting A's (in the low range) and pushes them down to B's makes it even worse. So the kids who were failing are just pushed through without learning anything and the ones who were excelling are punished. This is why I am no longer a Democrat and re-registered as No Party Preference.
Are you a teacher? Do you have children in these schools? Do you attend board meetings? I'm not sure how your political affiliation makes a difference, but your involvement as a parent or teacher might be more impactful.
@user-zt8me5re3k I am against this grading scale. And I personally know lots of parents who do their kids homework all the time. Even their special projects. When a low achieving child makes a clay model that is perfect, you know he had more than help. I asked said child about his project and he said his mommy did everything but the lines on the roof. He got an A. Other kids I know did theirs themselves got C-B's. That's not right and it doesn't help him or the other kids. We haven't been doing homework here for 4 years now.
@@tinajoerossignol I understand that some people do their kids' homework for them. But you must do homework in order to learn. If you don't require it, will kids really do the work? Don't punish everyone just because some people cheat.
@user-zt8me5re3k did you miss the first part when I said I agree it's wrong? I am fighting this issue right now and have been for 4 years. My own child, who doesn't get homework, is doing online courses when she gets home from school, that's her homework. 80 dollars a month, plus whatever supplies she needs. It's frustrating that she's in class with kids who are loud, disrespectful, can't hear the teacher talking because of them and is getting the same grades as those who rarely do the work and/or doesn't know how to do the work, so Barns&Noble and online classes and the library to help her learn and succeed. American schools are dumbing down our children and other countries are pushing their's higher. It's ridiculous 😒
Exactly! One time I got a C as a final grade, which I earned, but I was LIVID when I saw that a dude who did NOTHING AND THREATENED the teacher got a C, too! The audacity. I earned my grade, but he did not. I threatened to tell the principal and the teacher changed it 😂😂😂
One thing I learned as a teacher many years ago, is that if I were say 20 steps ahead of the class and I slowed down, the kids would also slow their pace and remain the same distance behind.
@@lassmt Did you listen to the author of the program? It's not at do nothing program. The issue maybe some districts ( like Dublin distric) have change core aspects of it making it crap...
We should be used to it in California. It is consistently used on us. Have talking points to pacify the “normies” so we can move forward with our agenda
Feldman is a typical contractor. He sells a program that will never work and pays no price for the damage he does. This happens in every district. Relatives of board members or other school personnel often come up with programs to sell to the district. The teachers are forced to implement those programs until the next one comes along. It is all about money.
Do they get bonuses or something, why is he pushing it so hard after it failed and had to be stopped only to comeback and say “we made minor changes” and are going behind parents backs by implementing it across the district
The 50% F grading system is not new. I encountered it when it was introduced in the Clark County School District in Nevada in 2016 or 2017. Speaking as a teacher, it is a terrible system. Students who don't want to do the work, won't work until then end of the grading period. Then they will do just enough make up work to pass. Students who do work for good grades often stop bothering, because there is no incentive for them to work hard. CCSD discontinued it after only a year or two, but their new superintendent started it again last year. I guess school districts just don't learn from history.
@@AZChelseaR they've been doing this. The gifted programs were terminated in the early 80's, I was in elementary. The rest of school sucked because I couldn't take classes that were at my level. Purposely. A lot of gifted kids found other things to do- because rewarding the mediocrity and silencing us was insulting... 🤷🏾♀️ At least now I understand. Same thing on the job.
Hahahha! Grading system going backwards! Look at Asian schools (China, South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan) students are high achievers and top performing around the globe.
I am an educator with 15 years of experience. This concept is absurd. We can fix the system by allowing teachers time to align their grading practices and use blind grading. What we don’t need is a bait-and-switch scheme that holds back higher-achieving students while letting lower-achieving students pass. In my district in NC, students have stopped caring about absences because we've separated attendance from grading. Additionally, students are frequently absent, and we've ceased using the judicial system to hold parents accountable for their child's attendance. In these cases, parents weren't sent to jail; instead, there was monitoring to ensure their child attended school. We've strayed far from merit and accountability in our education system.
I believe these policies are well-intentioned, but within the next 20 years, I foresee people realizing that we've done more harm than good to Black communities. Essentially, we're implying that they aren't capable of earning a 50%, so they need a minimum grade. Additionally, we hinder their peers from earning higher grades to allow for retakes and catch-up opportunities. And, no one in K12 sees a problem with this? Wow.
And when are they taking these tests? After school? So teachers are asked to stay later for no extra pay? That's crazy. If this isn't going to push more teachers away from their profession.
Right. And the A and B test yes they can be given but they are same questions with different numbers often bc you HAVE to give the same test because If one class has a MC test and another has a written test it's not equitable. They can and will cheat because they now know the type of question and yes the numbers will be different but now they have had the advantage of seeing the question once already. It is not equitable.
@@seekshallfind6410 I agree. And asking or expecting teachers to create different but somehow still the same tests is unreasonable. Good teachers are already overworked for their pay. Plus, the superintendent kept talking about fair grading, but then also talked about how under the new grading system, teachers still have some choice as to how they apply it🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ how is that different than the current system 🤣🤦♀️
@anastasiyamikhailova6461 you do not get extra pay, they make it so you have to spend more time so students that are doing poorly are your problem. If the system is designed for teachers to have less work if they pass everyone, they will pass everyone.
If they really wanted to give multiple opportunities for students to show competency, they would give a different exam. Every time. If they are allowing the student to take the same test over and over that is not an indication of competancy.
they have no choice, the kids are just not good enough. kids treat retakes like slot machines, HOPING they get higher scores the second time, rather than studying and doing better. if they study they don't have to hope. but they'd rather hope to get easy questions as if it were a dice roll.
If I had kids, I would be filing a lawsuit over this. Actually as far as I understand the Supreme Court has recently ruled on something similar. So I think my chances to win may be good.
@@NinjaBear1993 I taught science in SE Asia and despite giving them plenty of practice questions extremely similar to the exams (admin were always hard on teachers), plenty of them would fail. The very small minority who actually paid attention and participated in lessons, activities, and labs were the ones who'd easily pass. So, yeah, you're correct. The smart kids would easily pass, while the ones who take no responsibility for their education will still fail even with such a policy.
Hmmm may already be happening. I suspect that a lot of school districts already do this and just never brought to anyone's attention. Just look at tires falling off planes and security patch update bring down so many systems. Just scary to think what else.... healthcare.....
I'm so fed up with experiments on kids! The basics of classical education and it's outcome are proven and not debatable. Unfortunately, it all boils down to following the money. Who is enriched (monetarily, not educationally) via experimentation?
Really awful for those kids when they try to get into colleges and are competing against kids from other states who have 4.0s when they now may have 3.0s. This will also affect scholarship opportunities as well.
@@vchafab Oh I agree completely. As someone who couldn't have afforded college without scholarships I think that this is actually hurting "underprivledged" people way more than it helps. Specifically the change to making A's unatainable. Out of state students will have a better chance at scholarships than in-state students. And in neither case is that going to offer the most affordable option to those who need it.
@@vchafabit's why colleges look at SAT and ACT since it's nationally standardized. They sometimes look at class rankings as well to see if you were at the top, middle, or bottom of your school's grading. But there are scholarships that look at specific GPA ranges. That would suck if you were given little chance to actually achieve an A even if you're near the top of your class.
@@kittygumdrop7442Many colleges no longer require SAT or ACT. We were researching a university for our daughter with an impressive STEM program. They told us that unless she wanted to apply for the highly limited and competitive full ride scholarship, she didn't need either test. They admit based at GPA, volunteer experience, and a story of overcoming an obstacle. Seriously? No wonder kids are dropping out with student loans. They weren't academically prepared.
So the school district and these “teachers” are saying their equity grading system is their way to make sure the students with difficult home situations or of a lower economic status will get a poor education. But better grades, so the school administrators and “teachers” can feel better about passing children onwards to the next grade level, even if the students didn’t learn anything. Well, this will make their job of not teaching easier.
@@sorbabaric1 Teachers are not generally the ones making decisions regarding grading scales. Your disdain should be directed toward the decision makers (school board members).
@@UnaMaestraChéverethat's absolutely correct! Some teachers (the good ones) hates this. I have seen good teachers leaving education because of it. It's really sad.
Wrong. Teachers don't want this, it is forced upon them. It makes classroom management harder because most students are passing, even the ones who are doing almost nothing.
@@mattdecker6791 sorry, it’s the administrators and teachers who have advanced to administration and program development (they also feel the need to justify their jobs with new programs like new grading systems, oh, and to pad their resumes with all they’ve accomplished) . I can see it now “I developed and implemented the ____ grading system to advance equity in my previous school district”.
My district adopted grading with equity. Students quickly learned that they only had to complete one assignment in eight and still pass. This destroyed their motivation and cheapened the value of their diploma. Despite admin denials to the contrary, equity makes graduation rates look better.
The author keeps giving examples of unrealistic scenarios to justify this new system. A kid who consistently gets 85's and then suddenly gets a zero will retake the test in the normal way, probably because something happened but their grades are important to them, and thus will differentiate themselves from a kid who consistently gets 55's or 60's. A kid who is consistently late to class and doesn't do their homework will usually not be an expert on the course material despite their tardiness, etc.
Mr. Feldman has minimal experience in public inner schools experience. He was mostly teaching private and high income public schools he is not the best person to tell our inner school teachers what to do. Grading for equity benefits the upper class students who have educated, high income families who can supervise their education.
I’ve been thru this type of grading in a high school setting as a parent. It does not work out well for the regular type of kid. Any type of change that challenges students less will not encourage them to try harder. I found it strange that rather than directly helping students who are struggling with any specific topic, meaning a teacher spends the time teaching that student, instead they once again come up with something to make it easier on the kids. Expectation of the students is lowered AGAIN. Babying students does nothing but create babylike adults. The real world becomes much harsher to these students as they enter the real world. In short, all of the “good intention” this concept may have for certain students, it ends up being detrimental to all students and is even more confusing for families because there is no way to help students learn anything they are learning because there is no textbook & no homework & no handwritten lessons done in class, etc etc. The entire system has changed from what most parents may have had when they were young. The system that we KNOW worked fine for the entire nation for decades is now being turned into proven reduction in learning. Yet they keep on going with it in hopes the results will eventually show their way is better. It is not. If we keep on letting these administrators & educators ignore common sense as well as ignore parents and students, they will find their classrooms emptying year over year. And the students stuck in the classes will be happy to just do the minimum to get by because they have no reason to give it their all when there is no consequence to not trying. Basically teachers won’t be required to really teach & students won’t be required to really learn. Being late to work will get you fired. Doing half correct reports at work will get you fired. Speaking over others in business meetings will get you fired. Teaching these things as stsndards in our public schools is ridiculous. As far as the guy talking about A students having no negative effects from the 50% floor…how can he not see how negative the effects will be on those who DON’T turn in assignments? Giving credit for something that wasn’t done means the school is lying about the work being done. The districts are not trying to help these kids learn, they are interested in making their passing numbers higher. Sending kids into the next grade without knowing the subject. Period. Yes, I am in Northern Calif. in what is considered a pretty good district. They started this in the last 5-8 years & it has sucked for everyone. Stand up for your kids. Vote out your school boards. Put actual parents in there. Not administrstors or union reps.
It's not like our state testings in the past. We had to pass the California exam Math and English to get our high school diplomas. Now, these children can fail everything and not learn to get a high school diploma.
@@jojolina7 they already have. Those corrupt and stupid politicians won't even send their kids to public schools. Anyway, state scores, such as the act, are pretty high in calfornia:26. But that's only because only 4% of graduates actuaally took the exam. So for 96% of students, we have no idea what the scores are.
In high-school biology, each exam was 20 multiple choice questions. The teacher always put the answers on the back shelf a week BEFORE the exam. The only thing he changed was the order of the questions and choices. And kids still failed. And I still skewed the curve. Explain the psychology of teenagers, please. We just weren't on the same priority level as the adults. In Senior biology, I got A, F, A, F for my quarter grades, based solely on whether that semester 'interested' me and was worth the effort. Grading 'EQUITY' is absurd.
just because a country is communist doesn't necessarily mean they care about equity, it just means that the president has dictatorial power, everyone else can be whatever they want, high, low, as long as they are not able to oppose the government. The government aside, they're capitalist economies. Chinese culture also has a lot of pride, there is no reward for poor performance, and failure is intolerable, nobody wants to fail. The US is different, failure is coddled (welfare, affirmative action, DEI) so as not to leave anyone behind and freedom is valued above pride and shame; if you fail it's ok :)
@chimyshark well said, to my point though, still, California playing with fire and look where it's getting them the past 10 years.... you should never incentivise failure, only have good guidance and healthy leadership and policies
what we have now in america isn't communism. Communism sold the promise of a false utopia to the world, creating useless idiots everywhere. After the collapse of the soviet union, all that was left was the useful idiots. These individuals would not last long in the soviet union as the soviets did not necessarily care about civil rights nor promote policies analagous to welfare and communist leaders are notorious psychopaths with no compassion. So what we have now is the useful idiots who have transformed into the "woke" movement.
Before I quit my teaching job 7 years ago. I told the principal, “So if I do not show up to work, I should expect 50% pay!” His face turned green! This stupid guy’s example of a student who had 85, 85, then 0, a teacher will for sure notice that’s out of the norm for a B student, and find out what’s going on with the kid and give him or her another chance.
I am substitute teacher in the Bay Area. Yes, grading for equity is going on. Middle school students are not given homework. They request retake tests all the time (yes, the same test). Most high school teachers allow retakes too. All the GPAs are inflated. It's a big joke.
As a teacher for over 20 years, I believe parents need to be scored as well! Hold parents accountable. If a student is performing poorly, parents and their kids have to go to the school and work through assignments together so parents know the troubles and know that they too have to care enough to make changes
@@nonisidharta1545 Walk over the southern border into California and as an illegal foreing national you'll receive free education, monthly Section 8 housing allowance, Medi-Cal free health, welfare every 15 days, and food stamps. So yes, there precedent for being rewarded for doing nothing.
To the guy expressing exasperation at giving a 0 for no name and date at the top corner of the page, what do you think happens when you write a check but don’t sign it? What happens you complete a project for your boss and you forget to loop in the proper approvers and loop in stakeholders? What happens to an airplane if they don’t fuel it? Yeah it’s a hard lesson but it’s one you only need to learn once. Better when you’re a kid than when you’re an adult!
@@soysaucebananna plus, every teacher I've heard of that has those standards, which haven't been many, will accept the paper and grade it once it's correctly formatted. These teachers have 150+ students daily, they need to have names and periods and dates on the papers.
The bank usually calls to let you know if a check isn't signed. You can just redo it. What do you think happens, execution? 😂 Planes have fuel gauges. Running out of fuel requires multiple failures. It happens very rarely. Yes it happens but it's nut picking.
It’s a fair policy. This helps the kids that don’t come from a very competitive environment or who is not constantly brainwashed to go to school only to get a A grade and not really retain knowledge.
If you had a choice, a doctor who was graded correctly in school, or a doctor who got fifty percent right off the bat on tests. Or the same would apply to an engineer designing your house, or a bridge, or your car? 🧐
My county did this retaking test polices. I have seen students would answer the first 3 questions and then sleep. Basically the student made the choice to fail on purpose. Then the student is sent to a study class for several days to study for the same test. the student retakes the very same test, so he/she knows what questions will be. Then the students gets a perfect score. The students have figured out the system and used it for their benefit. Why do your best when you could cheat?
But the last guy on there said this was crazy so no one is reusing tests this is just "misnomers" as he calls it. He doesn't sound like he has a command of the English language. These are the leaders of our schools while the haves run for the hills
Grade is not a punishment or gratification. It's a feedback. It shouldn't be about students equality or social fairness. It should clearly reflect students performance. That's it. It's infuriating that they are gaslighting poor performing students into thinking that their efforts and performance is on the same level as excellent students, who put way more time into their studies. Imagine students graduating knowing shirt and believing that they have same skills and knowledge as any other students, believing they are entitled to everything without doing anything
I'm ok with test retakes but only if the kid missed the test for a valid reason. If he is sitting in the room and not trying during the test then no, he gets no retake.
I'm skeptical of Feldman. If this is so great, where are the improved standardized test scores? He made a big deal of emphasizing tests over homework, showing respect and hand raising. Fine. But then - where's the beef in improved AP scores and SATs?
@@jojolina7💯 Or learning to create output every day or putting knowledge sets together to create a project. How often do we take tests once we have a job?
The state mandated high schools to start no earlier than 8:30 am to improve tardiness and attendance. When the first period bell rang, I had less than 50% of my students in class every day this year. This makes it difficult to begin any lesson on time.
This kind of grading is not going to make better students and they will not be Doctors, lawyers, etc., because, they will not get in colleges. So how is this helping? IT’S NOT!
I taught for 30 years. In my opinion, grading should serve three purposes: to assess what the child knows, what the child has learned, and how the teacher should change their instruction so that the child learns more. It shouldn’t be a ranking system of who is better than whom. It doesn’t seem like the old OR the new system is addressing student improvement. The old system will tell you which students are wasting time on their smartphones. Genuine assessment takes time and money. Getting into a university is a whole other subject needed for a national debate.
Try allowing retakes on homework, but not on tests. That allows individual correction, whereas retaking tests only gives repetition, not a measure of what each child knows. Common standards, common rubrics may be appropriate, but homework is an opportunity to learn real world work ethic, and certainly retakes on tests aren't the norm: you only get one try on the MCAT any given year. There's both understanding and application, both need to be taught.
LAUSD is implementing a similar grading policy. It is called EGI or Equity Grading Instruction. Additionally, the 'C' range has been increased to 60-79%; the 'D' range is 50-59%. It is nearly impossible NOT to pass a class.
There are a lot of different topics discussed here so it would be unfair to lump sum and claim this is right or wrong. As for grades, there is so much inflation. A is for students who aced the subject but it it is given to 60% of the students, that’s unfair and doesn’t say much. So the parent who complained about the grade deflation is actually claiming that we need to lower the standard. It should be even less number of students for A to have any meanings. The one obvious thing here is retake of the tests don’t make sense when cheating is awarded with better reward.
This is literally hyperinflation for grades. It’s a shame that the bottom percentiles who this is meant to help are going to be the most hurt by this. These are the same people that say “the government gave everyone $1200 now we’re all rich!”
No this system does the opposite. Parents have been doing homework for AP kids, I always did my homework. There was such an excessive amount of homework I didnt understand how my peers had any free time for extracurriculars. It wasn’t until I got to college I learned most of these kid’s parents had tutors, and only tutors, while someone else did their homework. I was doing homework for my advanced classes from 4pm When I got home to 12-1am and then having to get up at 5am to walk to school and get to my 7am class. I am 30 years old this wasn’t too long ago and I went to college to become a teacher so I learned all about this. Only older teachers complain about this system.
"A student could have identical performance but get a different grade depending on which teacher they have". That's a teacher problem and "equity grading" is not the answer. There should be grading standards across the board.
As someone who afforded my tuition on scholarships, I can see this will make university unaffordable for "people of low economic status" because you have to have a mix of As and Bs to get those. Bs and Cs you will be paying the tuition out of pocket. But college is not the K-12 system's problem. That's for all kids to figure out when they hit a huge thrust of adult reality.
A lot of young adults drop out because they realized they can't use a calculator in college math classes 😆 so adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing is really hard for them even though they took pre calculus lolz. It's really sad how the system is hurting the children's mind their confidence will deteriorate in advance classes.
In Oregon they are doing one better....They have removed the exit exam from high school..There is no longer a test of minimum standards that needs to be taken to allow the kid to graduate high school. All kids effectively get a high school diploma....Looks good for the school district when 100% graduate...
Feldman “ I have kids in school” , yes but he forgot to add “no way I am going to enroll them in public schools doesn’t matter what I say about equity for grading”.
Yes he did not say public school which he would have if they were so they are in private school where they do classical grading. He wouldn't have his own kids do this experiment bc they will be fine. That is the secret of most socialist party members they get special breaks to help elevate their kids
No this system does the opposite. Parents have been doing homework for AP kids, I always did my homework. There was such an excessive amount of homework I didnt understand how my peers had any free time for extracurriculars. It wasn’t until I got to college I learned most of these kid’s parents had tutors, and only tutors, while someone else did their homework. I was doing homework for my advanced classes from 4pm When I got home to 12-1am and then having to get up at 5am to walk to school and get to my 7am class. I am 30 years old this wasn’t too long ago and I went to college to become a teacher so I learned all about this. Only older teachers complain about this system.
Your child is infected with these gradings. These practices were happening to your child when they were in elementary school. California was one of the worst systems.
Hahaha final comment he said “trust us, trust the teachers, the teachers are the professionals, the teachers are the ones that designed lessons” - that is one of the problems! Most don’t trust the crazy teachers, speaking as a normal mom and RTI teacher- I have been telling parents for awhile, DONT TRUST THE GRADES!!!! Ask for the proficiency and iready evaluations, ask you kids simple questions- so many kids in my middle school don’t know what a verb or adjective is, don’t know how convert fractions or add fractions or MULTIPLICATION facts- can’t do a word problem because they don’t know what is being asked, don’t know how to think let alone figure out the math. And the 1-4 grading is here!!!!! And parents think their kids are getting a As and Bs- but they have the whole quarter to get work turned in, homework, class work is graded, and given FULL pts if corrected-i support! It makes them learn from the errors and practice- and I am fine with that for the ones that take the extra time to fix the error and learn- BUT Quiz and test- ALSO get full corrections- NOT RETAKE-but just full credit corrections- so parents just see As and Bs- but the corrections don’t have to be done in the classroom, they can be used with notes and by another source and the kid gets perfect score- so parents have no idea the idea hasn’t been mastered. When your school has 75% of the kids on AB and A roll- but most have below grade level and two levels below on standards proficiency tests - GRADES ARE wrong. Stop trying to fix grades- stop trying to cover up the real problems- PHONICS, GRAMMAR- need to come back- in grade school FLUENCY practice In math fundamentals and actual understanding- common core RUSHES through fundamentals and doesn’t make sure it’s truly mastered. Being TARDY- needs to be addressed- it’s wasting time and distraction and disrespect- accountability needs to come back- parents also accountable and court for those that do nothing and teen is out of control
Think about a job where you spend 8hours/day, but then you get 2-3hours of work to do at home. How long until you ask if you can just do the work during the day, and maybe change your schedule??
I know a charter school that is doing this in Florida. Each student could not fail “elementary” and they take the exam till they pass. Kids in 7th grade were on a 3rd grade level.
Yeah genius, teachers are different. So are bosses. I have taught for 30 years and I have never failed a kid who was not failing multiple other classes. no one misses out on an education because of one or two teachers.
I teach in Colorado and my school has a version of this. The freshman can’t get below a 40%, they can retake tests until they pass, they can redo work until they pass, we have been told to not grade daily work, just use it as learning experience toward the evidence (test) grade. What this produces are kids who work the system. They don’t do anything until the last few weeks of class, then they turn in a couple projects, just enough to get them to a D. We have kids who are graduating who can’t read past a 3rd or 4th grade level, they can’t write, they don’t understand deadlines or consequences - because there are none. It’s a nightmare and it is really, at its core, based on the soft bigotry of low expectations.
@@seekshallfind6410They are less motivated because they know they have multiple chances to pass, as well as they only have to actually turn in a couple assignments to get to that D.
Before retiring last month, I spent the last two years of my career forced to give my students a minimum of 50% on every assignment, even the ones who sat and did nothing but play on their phone. Enough.
@28:50 he is wrong. F is not counted as 0 anywhere. An F is a 65 (it’s not even a full 10 pts). C is 70-79, but a D is 65-69, and anything below 65 is an F. This system doesn’t allow for B- or B+ which is wild because there is a big difference between 80 and 89!!
So the full range becomes 70-100 and everything in between is graded on a curve? A 93% can be a B in one class and an A in another. . .and they get to retake exams??? The students that average 70% are going to find out they won't be able to hold down a job. . .
So traditional grading was unfairly skewing down 28:53 and “fluffing up” 32:18 student grades relative to understanding? I also don’t understand how students “getting help” with their homework is masking real world consequences of diminished understanding. Some effort, even if it’s through chatGBT, is better than no thought at all of the subject matter when students are not seated in their classrooms, surely? Creating an incentive for students to spend time throughout the semester working on each step of the curricula is an important part of schools’ duty to children and the community. Parent: “Did you do your homework?” Student: “We don’t have to do homework anymore, I’ll flip through the book later because all that matters is the test I gotta take in two months.” _Student mentally: “And if I realize I messed up and won’t do as well as expected once the test is in front of me, I can intentionally botch my performance have extra time to cram based on that experience and ace the exam on a second go.”_ It’s creating a system where some students get a free practice exam and others, who tried their best instead of capitalizing on this new system, don’t. You’re not gonna stop students from cheating, whether it’s in homework or exams. It’s difficult for me as an adult graduate student not to postpone my studies, if I can do so without blowing off graded weekly work. I think this model’s assumptions about student motivations and behavior miss the mark to the detriment of all involved, but especially the children. I agree with the woman who stated the incentive for the school board to implement this system is to artificially inflate graduation rates.
What a lot of teachers are doing is only allowing them to retake if they turn in all the homework so it doesn't really change it to be more fair bc if the homework grading was biased before it is still biased and they still need to do it.
When I was a kid I was often the smartest kid in class and I hardly ever did my homework cause I hated it. To be an A student you had to get a 93% or higher. I was a bored little smart kid in CA public schools, the problem wasn't the grading system it was the class structure. I was a 2nd grader reading the 6th grade books in the same class with kids still reading at a kindergarten level. Hire competent teachers and trust them to evaluate children so that they are in the right learning environment, don't artificially change the standard.
Grading is never fair, I’ve taken quite a few classes in college and it is impossible to make a question fair, it’s mathematically impossible. It’s even more unfair when you personally know the students. The best solution that is available is doing an analysis of each test question and removing the ones that were frequently answered incorrectly, but there are still many limitations. I do agree that college level content shouldn’t be forced onto high school students who don’t even want to attend college. Public school needs to teach everyday useful information first. However, math is math, you can’t lower standards so that every knucklehead will pass. The accountability must be on the parents and student, it’s not the teacher’s fault that the student refuses to listen to lectures or ask for help during class. If you can’t pass a high school level course when the rest of your peers did, it was your fault and only yours.
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So, the pilot program was pushed on students and didn't work, so let's keep going? The superintendent needs to go.
I our case, the district admin weren't interested in any negative feedback from the teachers. Implement the new grading scale or else . . .
Sounds like California politics at its finest
The superintendent needs to lose her job. #firesuperintendent
The superintendent sounds like he wants to keep graduation rates high to ensure tax dollars continue to flow in his district. The lower end kids getting passing grades will still not be able to compete at college level.
As a teacher, I can tell you that you are exactly correct.
Exactly! They just want the money.
They will if Californian colleges are required to dumb down their curriculum.
It's not like a student with low grades on their transcript (even low Bs) is going to get accepted into 4 yr. universities where they need to be college ready. If low scoring students (70s - 80s) want to continue their education after high school, they will be accepted to ju-cos or community colleges. This is where they should be anyway for further preparation. A student preparing for uni entrance is usually taking higher level courses where I'm sure the bar is still very high on grading. Arguments against this system are making a mountain out of a molehill.
@@kristinarumfelt This socialistic grading system robs students of their motivation. Getting 50% for doing nothing encourages lack of effort by positively reinforcing undesirable behavior. Even students caught cheating are rewarded with 50% credit. When students can pass doing only 1 out of 5 assignments, they really don't know anything. Finally, the 50% free system cheapens the already severely diluted value of a high school diploma. Why not simply put a stack of blank diplomas on the curb and let everyone have one?
Every California Citizen has got to start voting in their local elections...
Do not let "Others" choose your School Board Members for you.
Why make you think it is not what they voted for?
Yes, except democrats shouldn’t vote.
@@geedee2420 agree
Because I find it hard to believe that many people could be that stupid.
Agree
Dumbing down the children.
Dumbing down children leads to dumbing down adults. Imagine a doctor that graduated and can’t pass their boards that determine minimum competency. It’s happening already. Very scary.
Rewarding stupidity.
no, actually it rewards laziness. the policy itself and the people imposing it are stupid.
@@chimysharkExactly
@@chimyshark why not both?
@@tachyon8317 it probably does reward both, but our school grading system is set up so that effort counts and laziness is a much higher cause of failure than being stupid is, so that’s why the new policy helps lazy kids the most. A stupid person may do poorly on the exams but still turn in all the homework and pass.
Lower your standards, up your average.
All the girls start lookin' prettier at closin' time❗️
Making people equally smart is hard, making people equally stu is a lot easier
@@jameng1315 I'm guessing you can't put stoopid in properly because of UA-cam Censorship...
No this does the opposite. It prevents kid’s parents from completing assignments and addresses the actual learning concerns of that individual student.
Being on time and doing EVERYTHING is called teaching kids to be a responsible functioning adult.
Wow! Kids are going to get Universal Basic Grade.
@@dant2755 😂😂
Yep. The concept behind this system is the very concept underlying "Universal Basic Income," i.e., you are entitled to unearned grades and unearned money because Marxism is the idea of "each according to his abilities, each according to his needs."
@@emmanuelameyaw9735 not wrong
This is insane!
I have been a teacher for 30 years and let me say this. If we don't count the homework, there is no homework.
Parents do it for the “smarter kids.”
I always did my homework. There was such an excessive amount of homework I didnt understand how my peers had any free time for extracurriculars. It wasn’t until I got to college I learned most of these kid’s parents had tutors, and only tutors, while someone else did their homework.
I was doing homework for my advanced classes from 4pm
When I got home to 12-1am and then having to get up at 5am to walk to school and get to my 7am class.
I am 30 years old this wasn’t too long ago and I went to college to become a teacher so I learned all about this. Only older teachers complain about this system.
@@MajimeTV I don't know what country you are from but most of that is simply not true. It can't be.
Very few kids have tutors and very few have other people doing their homework for them.
There is no way you were doing homework every night from 4:00 PM till 1:00 AM. That's nine hours of homework.
You did not then sleep for four hours and walk two hours to school because school is over at 3:30 and if it takes you two hours to walk to school then it take you two hours to walk home from school so you are getting home at 5:30, so you can't start your homework at 4:00.
If you are 30 then you are saying this happened 13 years ago. That's impossible
@@MajimeTV Probably not as often as they do it for the dumber kids.
@@MajimeTVnot all the time
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So they are not giving out homework because they think the kid's parent might be doing it?? The guy who wrote this book is truly reaching in order to try to justify his theory. The fact that this grading system also punishes those who had been getting A's (in the low range) and pushes them down to B's makes it even worse. So the kids who were failing are just pushed through without learning anything and the ones who were excelling are punished. This is why I am no longer a Democrat and re-registered as No Party Preference.
Are you a teacher? Do you have children in these schools? Do you attend board meetings? I'm not sure how your political affiliation makes a difference, but your involvement as a parent or teacher might be more impactful.
@@UnaMaestraChévere Ban standardized tests. All testing should consist of essay questions.
@user-zt8me5re3k I am against this grading scale. And I personally know lots of parents who do their kids homework all the time. Even their special projects. When a low achieving child makes a clay model that is perfect, you know he had more than help. I asked said child about his project and he said his mommy did everything but the lines on the roof. He got an A. Other kids I know did theirs themselves got C-B's. That's not right and it doesn't help him or the other kids. We haven't been doing homework here for 4 years now.
@@tinajoerossignol I understand that some people do their kids' homework for them. But you must do homework in order to learn. If you don't require it, will kids really do the work? Don't punish everyone just because some people cheat.
@user-zt8me5re3k did you miss the first part when I said I agree it's wrong? I am fighting this issue right now and have been for 4 years. My own child, who doesn't get homework, is doing online courses when she gets home from school, that's her homework. 80 dollars a month, plus whatever supplies she needs. It's frustrating that she's in class with kids who are loud, disrespectful, can't hear the teacher talking because of them and is getting the same grades as those who rarely do the work and/or doesn't know how to do the work, so Barns&Noble and online classes and the library to help her learn and succeed. American schools are dumbing down our children and other countries are pushing their's higher. It's ridiculous 😒
I'd be really angry if I got a 59 on a test, and the kid beside me, who didn't even bother to take the test, got a 50 and not a 0.
Exactly! One time I got a C as a final grade, which I earned, but I was LIVID when I saw that a dude who did NOTHING AND THREATENED the teacher got a C, too! The audacity. I earned my grade, but he did not. I threatened to tell the principal and the teacher changed it 😂😂😂
Exactly.
he kid who studied a bit will get a c and the kid who didn't study will get a 50. Then the second kid will get an 80,
One thing I learned as a teacher many years ago, is that if I were say 20 steps ahead of the class and I slowed down, the kids would also slow their pace and remain the same distance behind.
@@mattdecker6791 Great point!
So they want the next generation dumb for cheap labor or soldiers
AI companies are trying to make the human brain obsolete. Where else can humans go?
All the above!
Or worse yet, union teachers, so this nonsense will continue.
We'll we've already lowered the bar for the generation I have been teaching half of my 30 years.
Basically putting everyone on “you are special for doing nothing” program
@@lassmt Did you listen to the author of the program? It's not at do nothing program.
The issue maybe some districts ( like Dublin distric) have change core aspects of it making it crap...
I literally can't listen to this confused logic.
We should be used to it in California. It is consistently used on us. Have talking points to pacify the “normies” so we can move forward with our agenda
Price how they always villainize their opposition. “ two students did the same work but got different grades thanks to bias of teachers” what!!!!!!!
Feldman is a typical contractor. He sells a program that will never work and pays no price for the damage he does. This happens in every district. Relatives of board members or other school personnel often come up with programs to sell to the district. The teachers are forced to implement those programs until the next one comes along. It is all about money.
If I were a teacher, I'd write my own curriculum and demand the highest standards.
Or someone lobbies and donates to politicians to adopt said program.
Do they get bonuses or something, why is he pushing it so hard after it failed and had to be stopped only to comeback and say “we made minor changes” and are going behind parents backs by implementing it across the district
Speaking fees.
@@davidlafleche1142 Then become a teacher, you can do it online now.
DEI at its finest for dumbing down because of the rise of AI. 🤖
The 50% F grading system is not new. I encountered it when it was introduced in the Clark County School District in Nevada in 2016 or 2017. Speaking as a teacher, it is a terrible system. Students who don't want to do the work, won't work until then end of the grading period. Then they will do just enough make up work to pass. Students who do work for good grades often stop bothering, because there is no incentive for them to work hard. CCSD discontinued it after only a year or two, but their new superintendent started it again last year. I guess school districts just don't learn from history.
They gotta get those disparity charts fixed asap. No time to actually figure out how to teach the failing kids.
Exactly. No rigor robs students of their motivation. However, admin can show improved numbers and line their pockets with outside speaking fees.
It's another step in punishing excellence. We can't have students who are doing well because that can make lesser performing students feel bad.
@@AZChelseaR they've been doing this. The gifted programs were terminated in the early 80's, I was in elementary. The rest of school sucked because I couldn't take classes that were at my level. Purposely. A lot of gifted kids found other things to do- because rewarding the mediocrity and silencing us was insulting... 🤷🏾♀️
At least now I understand. Same thing on the job.
Hahahha! Grading system going backwards! Look at Asian schools (China, South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan) students are high achievers and top performing around the globe.
Those students also go to study schools during the week and weekend, people conveniently leave this part out.
I am an educator with 15 years of experience. This concept is absurd. We can fix the system by allowing teachers time to align their grading practices and use blind grading. What we don’t need is a bait-and-switch scheme that holds back higher-achieving students while letting lower-achieving students pass.
In my district in NC, students have stopped caring about absences because we've separated attendance from grading. Additionally, students are frequently absent, and we've ceased using the judicial system to hold parents accountable for their child's attendance.
In these cases, parents weren't sent to jail; instead, there was monitoring to ensure their child attended school. We've strayed far from merit and accountability in our education system.
I believe these policies are well-intentioned, but within the next 20 years, I foresee people realizing that we've done more harm than good to Black communities. Essentially, we're implying that they aren't capable of earning a 50%, so they need a minimum grade. Additionally, we hinder their peers from earning higher grades to allow for retakes and catch-up opportunities. And, no one in K12 sees a problem with this? Wow.
Jail? I thought it was just fines parents would receive?
Correct. Been there and done that. Under this system, grades no longer motivate.
Your republicans wanted this to stop truancy laws from incarcerating white parents 😂
Yes I knew of students who miss 1/3 of school or more and they were still promoted
Free education, Free bus passes, free lunches, free chrome books. Somebody is paying for it.
the grandchildren
@@scottyee707 yep
Nothing is free, someone has to work and someone has to pay the price in terms of exchange of the labor
Teachers will not create 5 times new exam. This extra work does not bring extra pay.
And when are they taking these tests? After school? So teachers are asked to stay later for no extra pay?
That's crazy. If this isn't going to push more teachers away from their profession.
Right. And the A and B test yes they can be given but they are same questions with different numbers often bc you HAVE to give the same test because If one class has a MC test and another has a written test it's not equitable. They can and will cheat because they now know the type of question and yes the numbers will be different but now they have had the advantage of seeing the question once already. It is not equitable.
@@seekshallfind6410 I agree. And asking or expecting teachers to create different but somehow still the same tests is unreasonable. Good teachers are already overworked for their pay.
Plus, the superintendent kept talking about fair grading, but then also talked about how under the new grading system, teachers still have some choice as to how they apply it🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ how is that different than the current system 🤣🤦♀️
@anastasiyamikhailova6461 you do not get extra pay, they make it so you have to spend more time so students that are doing poorly are your problem.
If the system is designed for teachers to have less work if they pass everyone, they will pass everyone.
DEI for grading …. preposterous!
yep Destroying Everything Intentionally
If they really wanted to give multiple opportunities for students to show competency, they would give a different exam. Every time. If they are allowing the student to take the same test over and over that is not an indication of competancy.
they have no choice, the kids are just not good enough. kids treat retakes like slot machines, HOPING they get higher scores the second time, rather than studying and doing better. if they study they don't have to hope. but they'd rather hope to get easy questions as if it were a dice roll.
Been a teacher for 8 years. This has been going on the entire time I've been teaching. Kids can pass very easily.
If I had kids, I would be filing a lawsuit over this. Actually as far as I understand the Supreme Court has recently ruled on something similar. So I think my chances to win may be good.
So the strategy should be to study hard, take the exam, fail on purpose and retake it knowing the questions and nail 100%??
@@johnmay9699 That's was what I was thinking
Well 😆 that's if they remember lolz. They still fail knowing the questions.
@@NinjaBear1993 I taught science in SE Asia and despite giving them plenty of practice questions extremely similar to the exams (admin were always hard on teachers), plenty of them would fail. The very small minority who actually paid attention and participated in lessons, activities, and labs were the ones who'd easily pass.
So, yeah, you're correct. The smart kids would easily pass, while the ones who take no responsibility for their education will still fail even with such a policy.
Can't wait to see the disastrous results if this in a decade or two.
It won't take that long, couple years at most
They are probably doing this because parents can’t control their monster children but expect good results
@@ashtonderojas821 The world will be a lot different then. A dystopian totalitarian one world government. The education system will be a misnomer.
Hmmm may already be happening. I suspect that a lot of school districts already do this and just never brought to anyone's attention. Just look at tires falling off planes and security patch update bring down so many systems. Just scary to think what else.... healthcare.....
Imagine this in medical schools
I'm so fed up with experiments on kids! The basics of classical education and it's outcome are proven and not debatable. Unfortunately, it all boils down to following the money. Who is enriched (monetarily, not educationally) via experimentation?
These people are insane.
Changing A to 95% for all students is a dirty move.
Really awful for those kids when they try to get into colleges and are competing against kids from other states who have 4.0s when they now may have 3.0s. This will also affect scholarship opportunities as well.
@@vchafab Oh I agree completely. As someone who couldn't have afforded college without scholarships I think that this is actually hurting "underprivledged" people way more than it helps. Specifically the change to making A's unatainable. Out of state students will have a better chance at scholarships than in-state students. And in neither case is that going to offer the most affordable option to those who need it.
@@johnmckeon4498 makes sense, they get more money from out of state kids....gives greater advantage to kids who can afford to go out of state school.
@@vchafabit's why colleges look at SAT and ACT since it's nationally standardized. They sometimes look at class rankings as well to see if you were at the top, middle, or bottom of your school's grading. But there are scholarships that look at specific GPA ranges. That would suck if you were given little chance to actually achieve an A even if you're near the top of your class.
@@kittygumdrop7442Many colleges no longer require SAT or ACT. We were researching a university for our daughter with an impressive STEM program. They told us that unless she wanted to apply for the highly limited and competitive full ride scholarship, she didn't need either test. They admit based at GPA, volunteer experience, and a story of overcoming an obstacle. Seriously? No wonder kids are dropping out with student loans. They weren't academically prepared.
So the school district and these “teachers” are saying their equity grading system is their way to make sure the students with difficult home situations or of a lower economic status will get a poor education. But better grades, so the school administrators and “teachers” can feel better about passing children onwards to the next grade level, even if the students didn’t learn anything. Well, this will make their job of not teaching easier.
@@sorbabaric1 Teachers are not generally the ones making decisions regarding grading scales. Your disdain should be directed toward the decision makers (school board members).
This is more likely to make more work for teachers
@@UnaMaestraChéverethat's absolutely correct! Some teachers (the good ones) hates this. I have seen good teachers leaving education because of it. It's really sad.
Wrong. Teachers don't want this, it is forced upon them. It makes classroom management harder because most students are passing, even the ones who are doing almost nothing.
@@mattdecker6791 sorry, it’s the administrators and teachers who have advanced to administration and program development (they also feel the need to justify their jobs with new programs like new grading systems, oh, and to pad their resumes with all they’ve accomplished) . I can see it now “I developed and implemented the ____ grading system to advance equity in my previous school district”.
My district adopted grading with equity. Students quickly learned that they only had to complete one assignment in eight and still pass. This destroyed their motivation and cheapened the value of their diploma. Despite admin denials to the contrary, equity makes graduation rates look better.
Until the poor youngsters go to college and find they haven't a clue.
No one denies it makes the graduation rates look better. That's literally the only thing it achieves.
The author keeps giving examples of unrealistic scenarios to justify this new system. A kid who consistently gets 85's and then suddenly gets a zero will retake the test in the normal way, probably because something happened but their grades are important to them, and thus will differentiate themselves from a kid who consistently gets 55's or 60's. A kid who is consistently late to class and doesn't do their homework will usually not be an expert on the course material despite their tardiness, etc.
Mr. Feldman has minimal experience in public inner schools experience. He was mostly teaching private and high income public schools he is not the best person to tell our inner school teachers what to do. Grading for equity benefits the upper class students who have educated, high income families who can supervise their education.
I see somebody has done their homework.
How could this go wrong
I’ve been thru this type of grading in a high school setting as a parent. It does not work out well for the regular type of kid. Any type of change that challenges students less will not encourage them to try harder. I found it strange that rather than directly helping students who are struggling with any specific topic, meaning a teacher spends the time teaching that student, instead they once again come up with something to make it easier on the kids. Expectation of the students is lowered AGAIN. Babying students does nothing but create babylike adults. The real world becomes much harsher to these students as they enter the real world. In short, all of the “good intention” this concept may have for certain students, it ends up being detrimental to all students and is even more confusing for families because there is no way to help students learn anything they are learning because there is no textbook & no homework & no handwritten lessons done in class, etc etc. The entire system has changed from what most parents may have had when they were young. The system that we KNOW worked fine for the entire nation for decades is now being turned into proven reduction in learning. Yet they keep on going with it in hopes the results will eventually show their way is better. It is not. If we keep on letting these administrators & educators ignore common sense as well as ignore parents and students, they will find their classrooms emptying year over year. And the students stuck in the classes will be happy to just do the minimum to get by because they have no reason to give it their all when there is no consequence to not trying. Basically teachers won’t be required to really teach & students won’t be required to really learn. Being late to work will get you fired. Doing half correct reports at work will get you fired. Speaking over others in business meetings will get you fired. Teaching these things as stsndards in our public schools is ridiculous.
As far as the guy talking about A students having no negative effects from the 50% floor…how can he not see how negative the effects will be on those who DON’T turn in assignments? Giving credit for something that wasn’t done means the school is lying about the work being done. The districts are not trying to help these kids learn, they are interested in making their passing numbers higher. Sending kids into the next grade without knowing the subject. Period. Yes, I am in Northern Calif. in what is considered a pretty good district. They started this in the last 5-8 years & it has sucked for everyone. Stand up for your kids. Vote out your school boards. Put actual parents in there. Not administrstors or union reps.
We’ll when the kids take the state testing it will just show how much they did not learn.
@@LisaF-nu5wq yeah but they will pass and this is why half the people in college do not know anything about
Until they do away with state testing. Mark my words that’s the next big thing to go.
It's not like our state testings in the past. We had to pass the California exam Math and English to get our high school diplomas. Now, these children can fail everything and not learn to get a high school diploma.
@@jojolina7 they already have. Those corrupt and stupid politicians won't even send their kids to public schools. Anyway, state scores, such as the act, are pretty high in calfornia:26. But that's only because only 4% of graduates actuaally took the exam. So for 96% of students, we have no idea what the scores are.
They will just eliminate that like they eliminated the bar exam in many states
I have come to realize there there is nothing worse for education than an ex-teacher with a program he has to sell.
I wonder if Feldman sends his kids to a school like this? I am betting no.
In high-school biology, each exam was 20 multiple choice questions. The teacher always put the answers on the back shelf a week BEFORE the exam. The only thing he changed was the order of the questions and choices. And kids still failed. And I still skewed the curve. Explain the psychology of teenagers, please. We just weren't on the same priority level as the adults. In Senior biology, I got A, F, A, F for my quarter grades, based solely on whether that semester 'interested' me and was worth the effort. Grading 'EQUITY' is absurd.
They don't even do this stuff in communism China etc quite the opposite. Playing with fire bad in California.
just because a country is communist doesn't necessarily mean they care about equity, it just means that the president has dictatorial power, everyone else can be whatever they want, high, low, as long as they are not able to oppose the government. The government aside, they're capitalist economies. Chinese culture also has a lot of pride, there is no reward for poor performance, and failure is intolerable, nobody wants to fail. The US is different, failure is coddled (welfare, affirmative action, DEI) so as not to leave anyone behind and freedom is valued above pride and shame; if you fail it's ok :)
@chimyshark well said, to my point though, still, California playing with fire and look where it's getting them the past 10 years.... you should never incentivise failure, only have good guidance and healthy leadership and policies
what we have now in america isn't communism. Communism sold the promise of a false utopia to the world, creating useless idiots everywhere. After the collapse of the soviet union, all that was left was the useful idiots. These individuals would not last long in the soviet union as the soviets did not necessarily care about civil rights nor promote policies analagous to welfare and communist leaders are notorious psychopaths with no compassion. So what we have now is the useful idiots who have transformed into the "woke" movement.
Before I quit my teaching job 7 years ago. I told the principal, “So if I do not show up to work, I should expect 50% pay!” His face turned green! This stupid guy’s example of a student who had 85, 85, then 0, a teacher will for sure notice that’s out of the norm for a B student, and find out what’s going on with the kid and give him or her another chance.
I am substitute teacher in the Bay Area. Yes, grading for equity is going on. Middle school students are not given homework. They request retake tests all the time (yes, the same test). Most high school teachers allow retakes too. All the GPAs are inflated. It's a big joke.
Maybe the damage this does to lower socioeconomic people's kids will spur them to re-evaluate who they vote for...
The people in lower socioeconomic status are focused on trying to survive, not their child's education.
Grading for equity 🙄🙄🙄.. everyone gets a trophy….
As a teacher for over 20 years, I believe parents need to be scored as well! Hold parents accountable. If a student is performing poorly, parents and their kids have to go to the school and work through assignments together so parents know the troubles and know that they too have to care enough to make changes
Please VOTE, school boards are VOTED IN!!!!!
I wonder the 50% floor works on the job - that people get 50% of salary whether they show up or work at all 😅
Yes? There are lazy people who still get paid.
@@nonisidharta1545 Walk over the southern border into California and as an illegal foreing national you'll receive free education, monthly Section 8 housing allowance, Medi-Cal free health, welfare every 15 days, and food stamps. So yes, there precedent for being rewarded for doing nothing.
Equity is trash
To the guy expressing exasperation at giving a 0 for no name and date at the top corner of the page, what do you think happens when you write a check but don’t sign it? What happens you complete a project for your boss and you forget to loop in the proper approvers and loop in stakeholders? What happens to an airplane if they don’t fuel it? Yeah it’s a hard lesson but it’s one you only need to learn once. Better when you’re a kid than when you’re an adult!
@@soysaucebananna plus, every teacher I've heard of that has those standards, which haven't been many, will accept the paper and grade it once it's correctly formatted. These teachers have 150+ students daily, they need to have names and periods and dates on the papers.
The bank usually calls to let you know if a check isn't signed. You can just redo it. What do you think happens, execution? 😂 Planes have fuel gauges. Running out of fuel requires multiple failures. It happens very rarely. Yes it happens but it's nut picking.
It’s a fair policy. This helps the kids that don’t come from a very competitive environment or who is not constantly brainwashed to go to school only to get a A grade and not really retain knowledge.
no homework 30 years too late
I need reparations 🤣😂
If you had a choice, a doctor who was graded correctly in school, or a doctor who got fifty percent right off the bat on tests. Or the same would apply to an engineer designing your house, or a bridge, or your car? 🧐
My county did this retaking test polices. I have seen students would answer the first 3 questions and then sleep. Basically the student made the choice to fail on purpose. Then the student is sent to a study class for several days to study for the same test. the student retakes the very same test, so he/she knows what questions will be. Then the students gets a perfect score. The students have figured out the system and used it for their benefit. Why do your best when you could cheat?
But the last guy on there said this was crazy so no one is reusing tests this is just "misnomers" as he calls it. He doesn't sound like he has a command of the English language. These are the leaders of our schools while the haves run for the hills
It's a low canopy forest. It's time to leave.
Put your faith in teachers and this guy will tell the teachers what to do so put your faith in him.
Grade is not a punishment or gratification. It's a feedback. It shouldn't be about students equality or social fairness. It should clearly reflect students performance. That's it. It's infuriating that they are gaslighting poor performing students into thinking that their efforts and performance is on the same level as excellent students, who put way more time into their studies. Imagine students graduating knowing shirt and believing that they have same skills and knowledge as any other students, believing they are entitled to everything without doing anything
I'm ok with test retakes but only if the kid missed the test for a valid reason. If he is sitting in the room and not trying during the test then no, he gets no retake.
I'm skeptical of Feldman. If this is so great, where are the improved standardized test scores? He made a big deal of emphasizing tests over homework, showing respect and hand raising. Fine. But then - where's the beef in improved AP scores and SATs?
And because there is no value in the real world of kids learning self control and how to treat others respectfully. 🙄
@@jojolina7💯 Or learning to create output every day or putting knowledge sets together to create a project. How often do we take tests once we have a job?
If you’re spotting the student 50 points, how is that judging mastery of the content?
The state mandated high schools to start no earlier than 8:30 am to improve tardiness and attendance. When the first period bell rang, I had less than 50% of my students in class every day this year. This makes it difficult to begin any lesson on time.
This kind of grading is not going to make better students and they will not be Doctors, lawyers, etc., because, they will not get in colleges. So how is this helping? IT’S NOT!
I taught for 30 years. In my opinion, grading should serve three purposes: to assess what the child knows, what the child has learned, and how the teacher should change their instruction so that the child learns more. It shouldn’t be a ranking system of who is better than whom. It doesn’t seem like the old OR the new system is addressing student improvement. The old system will tell you which students are wasting time on their smartphones. Genuine assessment takes time and money. Getting into a university is a whole other subject needed for a national debate.
Try allowing retakes on homework, but not on tests. That allows individual correction, whereas retaking tests only gives repetition, not a measure of what each child knows. Common standards, common rubrics may be appropriate, but homework is an opportunity to learn real world work ethic, and certainly retakes on tests aren't the norm: you only get one try on the MCAT any given year. There's both understanding and application, both need to be taught.
LAUSD is implementing a similar grading policy. It is called EGI or Equity Grading Instruction. Additionally, the 'C' range has been increased to 60-79%; the 'D' range is 50-59%. It is nearly impossible NOT to pass a class.
There are a lot of different topics discussed here so it would be unfair to lump sum and claim this is right or wrong. As for grades, there is so much inflation. A is for students who aced the subject but it it is given to 60% of the students, that’s unfair and doesn’t say much. So the parent who complained about the grade deflation is actually claiming that we need to lower the standard. It should be even less number of students for A to have any meanings. The one obvious thing here is retake of the tests don’t make sense when cheating is awarded with better reward.
This is literally hyperinflation for grades. It’s a shame that the bottom percentiles who this is meant to help are going to be the most hurt by this. These are the same people that say “the government gave everyone $1200 now we’re all rich!”
I find that percentage of As are also given to over half of the students. There is that inflation too.
No this system does the opposite. Parents have been doing homework for AP kids, I always did my homework. There was such an excessive amount of homework I didnt understand how my peers had any free time for extracurriculars. It wasn’t until I got to college I learned most of these kid’s parents had tutors, and only tutors, while someone else did their homework.
I was doing homework for my advanced classes from 4pm
When I got home to 12-1am and then having to get up at 5am to walk to school and get to my 7am class.
I am 30 years old this wasn’t too long ago and I went to college to become a teacher so I learned all about this. Only older teachers complain about this system.
"A student could have identical performance but get a different grade depending on which teacher they have".
That's a teacher problem and "equity grading" is not the answer. There should be grading standards across the board.
The solution is standardized testing, but then everyone b*tches about that too.
As someone who afforded my tuition on scholarships, I can see this will make university unaffordable for "people of low economic status" because you have to have a mix of As and Bs to get those. Bs and Cs you will be paying the tuition out of pocket. But college is not the K-12 system's problem. That's for all kids to figure out when they hit a huge thrust of adult reality.
A lot of young adults drop out because they realized they can't use a calculator in college math classes 😆 so adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing is really hard for them even though they took pre calculus lolz. It's really sad how the system is hurting the children's mind their confidence will deteriorate in advance classes.
In Oregon they are doing one better....They have removed the exit exam from high school..There is no longer a test of minimum standards that needs to be taken to allow the kid to graduate high school. All kids effectively get a high school diploma....Looks good for the school district when 100% graduate...
I think they took the exit exam in every state from the democrats.
Feldman “ I have kids in school” , yes but he forgot to add “no way I am going to enroll them in public schools doesn’t matter what I say about equity for grading”.
Yes he did not say public school which he would have if they were so they are in private school where they do classical grading. He wouldn't have his own kids do this experiment bc they will be fine. That is the secret of most socialist party members they get special breaks to help elevate their kids
The teacher in this interview is so spot on.
No this system does the opposite. Parents have been doing homework for AP kids, I always did my homework. There was such an excessive amount of homework I didnt understand how my peers had any free time for extracurriculars. It wasn’t until I got to college I learned most of these kid’s parents had tutors, and only tutors, while someone else did their homework.
I was doing homework for my advanced classes from 4pm
When I got home to 12-1am and then having to get up at 5am to walk to school and get to my 7am class.
I am 30 years old this wasn’t too long ago and I went to college to become a teacher so I learned all about this. Only older teachers complain about this system.
I'm so glad I only got one year left having a kid in the California public school system. A race to the bottom.
Your child is infected with these gradings. These practices were happening to your child when they were in elementary school. California was one of the worst systems.
Hahaha final comment he said “trust us, trust the teachers, the teachers are the professionals, the teachers are the ones that designed lessons”
- that is one of the problems! Most don’t trust the crazy teachers, speaking as a normal mom and RTI teacher- I have been telling parents for awhile, DONT TRUST THE GRADES!!!! Ask for the proficiency and iready evaluations, ask you kids simple questions- so many kids in my middle school don’t know what a verb or adjective is, don’t know how convert fractions or add fractions or MULTIPLICATION facts- can’t do a word problem because they don’t know what is being asked, don’t know how to think let alone figure out the math. And the 1-4 grading is here!!!!! And parents think their kids are getting a As and Bs- but they have the whole quarter to get work turned in, homework, class work is graded, and given FULL pts if corrected-i support! It makes them learn from the errors and practice- and I am fine with that for the ones that take the extra time to fix the error and learn- BUT
Quiz and test- ALSO get full corrections- NOT RETAKE-but just full credit corrections- so parents just see As and Bs- but the corrections don’t have to be done in the classroom, they can be used with notes and by another source and the kid gets perfect score- so parents have no idea the idea hasn’t been mastered.
When your school has 75% of the kids on AB and A roll- but most have below grade level and two levels below on standards proficiency tests - GRADES ARE wrong.
Stop trying to fix grades- stop trying to cover up the real problems- PHONICS, GRAMMAR- need to come back- in grade school FLUENCY practice In math fundamentals and actual understanding- common core RUSHES through fundamentals and doesn’t make sure it’s truly mastered.
Being TARDY- needs to be addressed- it’s wasting time and distraction and disrespect- accountability needs to come back- parents also accountable and court for those that do nothing and teen is out of control
Bravo!! 👏👏
I don’t trust anyone until they’ve shown that is wise. Blindly trusting teachers is an absolute no.
Think about a job where you spend 8hours/day, but then you get 2-3hours of work to do at home.
How long until you ask if you can just do the work during the day, and maybe change your schedule??
How about not experimenting on our children? When you have all the bugs ironed out and a comprehensive program to roll out get back to us.
I know a charter school that is doing this in Florida. Each student could not fail “elementary” and they take the exam till they pass. Kids in 7th grade were on a 3rd grade level.
I can't read, comprehend, do basic math, or count change.(among many other things)..but I'm a B student. smfh
Yeah genius, teachers are different. So are bosses. I have taught for 30 years and I have never failed a kid who was not failing multiple other classes. no one misses out on an education because of one or two teachers.
OMG! Maybe it is a good idea to send the kids to UK, Australia, Taiwan, Japan or India to have a real education!!!
“We don’t know if it works, so we need to expand the program.”
I teach in Colorado and my school has a version of this. The freshman can’t get below a 40%, they can retake tests until they pass, they can redo work until they pass, we have been told to not grade daily work, just use it as learning experience toward the evidence (test) grade. What this produces are kids who work the system. They don’t do anything until the last few weeks of class, then they turn in a couple projects, just enough to get them to a D. We have kids who are graduating who can’t read past a 3rd or 4th grade level, they can’t write, they don’t understand deadlines or consequences - because there are none. It’s a nightmare and it is really, at its core, based on the soft bigotry of low expectations.
What does the classroom look like is it more peaceful bc they are now motivated?
@@seekshallfind6410They are less motivated because they know they have multiple chances to pass, as well as they only have to actually turn in a couple assignments to get to that D.
Dumbing down America
Before retiring last month, I spent the last two years of my career forced to give my students a minimum of 50% on every assignment, even the ones who sat and did nothing but play on their phone. Enough.
Very good video, edited, interview and presenter. Interesting topic too, I hope the education ministry has better funding soon.
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I wish students realized homework will help them to understand the concepts first the test. They don’t even care!!!
He wants teachers to record homework in the gradebook but not count the grade. Does he know what a gradebook is?
A grading method is pointless if the method and quality of teaching and education content is not up to par.
Do home schooling. IT'S ALL BE B/S
@28:50 he is wrong. F is not counted as 0 anywhere. An F is a 65 (it’s not even a full 10 pts). C is 70-79, but a D is 65-69, and anything below 65 is an F. This system doesn’t allow for B- or B+ which is wild because there is a big difference between 80 and 89!!
So the full range becomes 70-100 and everything in between is graded on a curve? A 93% can be a B in one class and an A in another. . .and they get to retake exams??? The students that average 70% are going to find out they won't be able to hold down a job. . .
So traditional grading was unfairly skewing down 28:53 and “fluffing up” 32:18 student grades relative to understanding?
I also don’t understand how students “getting help” with their homework is masking real world consequences of diminished understanding. Some effort, even if it’s through chatGBT, is better than no thought at all of the subject matter when students are not seated in their classrooms, surely? Creating an incentive for students to spend time throughout the semester working on each step of the curricula is an important part of schools’ duty to children and the community.
Parent: “Did you do your homework?”
Student: “We don’t have to do homework anymore, I’ll flip through the book later because all that matters is the test I gotta take in two months.”
_Student mentally: “And if I realize I messed up and won’t do as well as expected once the test is in front of me, I can intentionally botch my performance have extra time to cram based on that experience and ace the exam on a second go.”_
It’s creating a system where some students get a free practice exam and others, who tried their best instead of capitalizing on this new system, don’t. You’re not gonna stop students from cheating, whether it’s in homework or exams. It’s difficult for me as an adult graduate student not to postpone my studies, if I can do so without blowing off graded weekly work.
I think this model’s assumptions about student motivations and behavior miss the mark to the detriment of all involved, but especially the children. I agree with the woman who stated the incentive for the school board to implement this system is to artificially inflate graduation rates.
What a lot of teachers are doing is only allowing them to retake if they turn in all the homework so it doesn't really change it to be more fair bc if the homework grading was biased before it is still biased and they still need to do it.
I teach in Alabama and we are not allowed to assign grades based on behavior or being on time. That is not happening.
Cant get an A, becoming B students? That's an Asian F. SMH.
When I was a kid I was often the smartest kid in class and I hardly ever did my homework cause I hated it. To be an A student you had to get a 93% or higher. I was a bored little smart kid in CA public schools, the problem wasn't the grading system it was the class structure. I was a 2nd grader reading the 6th grade books in the same class with kids still reading at a kindergarten level. Hire competent teachers and trust them to evaluate children so that they are in the right learning environment, don't artificially change the standard.
Grading is never fair, I’ve taken quite a few classes in college and it is impossible to make a question fair, it’s mathematically impossible. It’s even more unfair when you personally know the students. The best solution that is available is doing an analysis of each test question and removing the ones that were frequently answered incorrectly, but there are still many limitations. I do agree that college level content shouldn’t be forced onto high school students who don’t even want to attend college. Public school needs to teach everyday useful information first. However, math is math, you can’t lower standards so that every knucklehead will pass. The accountability must be on the parents and student, it’s not the teacher’s fault that the student refuses to listen to lectures or ask for help during class. If you can’t pass a high school level course when the rest of your peers did, it was your fault and only yours.
This is confusing, both sides are making statements that are contradicting.
EXACTLY!!!