"Earth's gravity is hell." Wait until you've got a 60 lb. pack, 20 pounds of body armor, 220 lead rounds, a rifle, and a gallon of water on, too. Then find out you've got to hump it up a mountain in the Himalayas... You can curse gravity then, and then, it'll just laugh at you! 😂🤣👍
The book goes into more depth, such as how she accidentally walked outside a building without realizing that door would lock itself behind her and turned into a screaming, blubbering mess as she begged to be let in because she wasn't accustomed to being on a planetary surface with breathable air. The guy who let her back in was very understanding, telling her that they have to wait until nightfall before letting Belters land because the sun really freaks them out. After going to a coffee shop where the person who serves her explains that anybody who wants to go to college has to do a mandatory gap year working, she realizes that Mars would lose a ground war on Earth rather quickly.
I loved that part and surprised the show skipped it. I love the sweet moments like how the guard taught her how to handle agoraphobia, and the way Bobbie felt weird that the guy was just being friendly.
@@tomarnold7284 Probably a runtime thing. In the book version of Courage Under Fire there's a scene where Denzel's character visits his old first sergeant, who now runs the enlisted personnel club on one of the bases, and how tight a ship he runs: a specific template for where the tables and chairs all go, the booze behind the bar is alphabetized to make it easier to do inventory, and any band that plays there has to not only cover one song on the jukebox (which has nothing after 1975) and if they play too loud he'll shut them down with a single switch.
@@aluisious The implication is the massive difference between population. On Mars, there are not enough people to get all the work done that is needed. On Earth, people are expendable. Potentially billions of people, accustomed to the conditions on earth, not needed for any industrial purpose...Mars would loose a ground war by numbers alone.
@@aluisious Earth has a population of 30 billion while Mars only 8 billion. Martian invaders would immediately be overwhelmed by people who are used to the higher gravity and not needing a suit to go outside. If anything it would The Purge for Earth.
the best part about your statement was that bobbie also thought it looked goofy and i imagine that's why she looked at him weird and put the glasses on the seat.
@@speculativefuture9568 It is more that she realized that not only is 1G normal for everbody... there are basically so many people around that they would simply be overwhelmed eventually. At this point in the books Mars' population is 4 billion, Earth's is 30 billion.
Its not his fault. Martian gravity is by far if I remember, is only a little stronger than that of our moon. But that still 17% of what we're used to here on Earth.
3:35 This little moment is easily overlooked: it's the first time Bobbie has ever seen an animal in its natural habitat. What a sight it must be for her.
The directing was so good, for split-second I thought it was straight up a dinosaur. Imagine how bizarre it would be for her to see something as fragile as a bird flying through the sky effortlessly when you (a badass elite Martian soldier) are barely holding it together. Really really good direction.
A lot of people in the comments talking about how training at 1G should have prepared the Martians for Earth but that's missing a lot of other factors. 1. The brightness of the sun and sensory overload of being under an actual sky as opposed to the pressurised corridors of Mars must be insanely disorientating for a first timer. 2. Training in 1G is not the same as existing in it constantly. 3. Although they mention a bone density enhancer, there's still bound to be a significant difference in bone and muscle density between a human that has gestated and grown in 1G and a human that has genstated and grown in
I think it's also mentioned that only marines train on 1G. This crew is probably diplomats for the most part. Bobbie who is a marine doesn't seem to struggle at all and same goes for that douchebag superior of hers.
@@EroticOnion23 and yet she easily ran top speed out of the Martian embassy and never struggled in any scene after that. The reason she hobbled a little when she got off the ship wasn’t the gravity, it was the intense sun, blue sky and distant horizon, which she had never before seen having grown in more confined spaces.
I love how they show them taking heavier breaths and moving slowly from the moment they land. Immediately the effects of earths gravity on their bodies. Earth being much closer to the sun than mars also means the sun is brighter than what they are used to and I love how they also showed that! They put the cherry on top by showing the martians waddling and appearing to get exhausted walking just a few metres on Earth. Scientific accuracy is near perfect! Even to an Earther (us the viewers) they manage to pull off showing how bright earth really is compared to everywhere we’ve colonised behind us on the solar system..
Couldn't agree more. Good sci-fi writing/direction is when you can get a character as badass as Bobbie and put her in a situation that reminds us of how truly bizarre (and lucky) we are to live on Earth. "Another thing they take for granted". He couldn't be more right.
I'd have thought Mars'd have a 1G spin-station they'd put marines in for a month or two to properly live in for training instead of brief simulation. Also to prep teams there for Earth visits and then do a 1G burn all the way to Earth so they stay used to it.
High G burns long term, require shitloads of more fuel. If you burn four times harder to get somewhere, you then also have to burn four times harder to slow down for arrival. Burning at lower G is extremely economical in comparison, so aside from training exercises and intercept burns, there is little reason to spend the fuel. The same goes for spin gravity, to achieve 1G, whatever you build had to be strong as hell so it doesn't fall apart under it's own weight when you spin it up. Meanwhile, if you go for just a fraction of a full G, you can save enormous amounts in material, construction and transport costs.
A month or two of Earth gravity isn’t going to prepare you to actually be on Earth’s gravity. They don’t spend all their time at Earth’s gravity and just a little bit of time at low g’s can mess you up. Just look at the astronauts who are up at the ISS for just 6 months to a year and some of them can’t walk without assistance in the beginning when they get back on Earth because there bodies become accustomed to the gravity up there.
@@MentalEdge Yes, but having a place to train and get used to 1G over a nice long period of time would help a lot. Plus once you've got the stuff up there, it's not that hard to move a lot of it around. Especially with the effectively-infinite delta-V the Epstein Drive gives.
@@matthewjohnbornholt648 Yeah that's something I missed watching the show and just now caught. It looks like only Bobbie and her CO are the only marines on that transport, the rest look like normal civilian diplomatic attaché, in suits carrying briefcases. It's already hell on the marines who trained for it and are on every gravity adjustment drug known, imagine what it's like for normal civilians sent there to process shit like, salvage claims or records keeping. I get the diplomatic and symbolic purposes of having the embassy in NYC, near the UN building, but surely it'd be easier for them to keep a small outpost there and have their main offices on Luna or on an orbital station.
Great casting and acting. People complained about her, but I think she did a great job. This scene showed us her physicality in action for the first time.
People in the comments talk about gravity being an handicap on the Martian body and other factors as well like atmosphere, but they’re missing another thing: the air. All their life, they lived in an artificial environment with odors in the air accurately chosen by the system; and when they come here, they breathe an air that’s been contaminated with all kinds odors and particles like smog, evaporated water droplets from the ocean, etc. Under all of that, even a trained Martian would break down.
No.. they wouldn't. Like Bobbie exemplified it would be a few mone the disorientation then back to business.. the other guys were overwhelmed vomiting because theyre desk jockeys If they landed in Goliath suits that takes all those disabilities out &even gives them a slight up boost advantage cause one of those ilcan take down 50 regular troops on its own &5 unn power armoured Marines
Not just that but the Martians would have essentially no immunity to many of the naturally existing bacteria and mold spores that are in our air. They'd be succumbing to mass illness within a week unless they had sealed suits to wear.
This show did such a good job at making the Martians and Belters feel like distinct cultures, to the point you could guess where a character was from without needed it confirmed.
In the book she not only realises that MMC 1G training is woefully insufficient for Earths actual gravity and that you could dump the entire Martian military in one city and they’d still be outnumbered to the point of being overwhelmed. All their talk of beating Earth in a fight is just that, talk. In the books the MCRN is decimated by the fighting around Mars during the Eros crisis and further weakened during the Ganymede incident to the point that their greatly reduced numbers are commented on. Despite everything Mars tries, no matter how hard they train or how advanced their ships are compared to Earth they are always on the backfoot. Earth soldiers are naturally stronger, have naturally better endurance and outnumber their counterparts by a significant margin even having enough ships to overmatch the MCRNs technical advantage. And if Earth ever mobilised its 30 billion citizens? They could drown Martian ground forces in troops.
But vast majority of the 30mil earthers are basically "useless eaters" no? That's what I found the most unrealistic about this show/books, the elites would definitely unleash some crazy virus or something to wipe out most of us, to preserve resources...😅
Plus as this scene demonstrates, being able to handle 1G isn't enough, they need to handle; big open spaces that they absolutely aren't used to, the sheer brightness of the sun, the olfactory assault of all the disparate odors in the air (the stuff Earthers don't even notice anymore because they've acclimatised to them), the sheer scale of the horizon, the unpredictable reality of 'weather' (on Mars water falling on you from above as you walk along means a leak that needs fixing, on Earth we just call that rain), the list just goes on and on. To any Martian, even well trained marines like Bobbie, Earth is a big sphere of sensory overlord and disorienting realities... and on it lives over 4 times Mars' entire population, to whom all of the above are just everyday mundane things.
@JamesTobiasStewart Because of rusing sea levels the air is noted as smelling of rotting seaweed slmost everywhere even in Geneva. Geneva being the seat of the UN in the books. Most Martians and Belters are actually severely agoraphobic thanks to living their lives in tunnels and domes with many becoming badly disoriented or even sick thanks to the sky and horizon. It's a part of why Naomi in the books doesn't step off the ship on Ilus and stays in orbit with Alex. Only Earthers are still adapted to living under an open sky in a constant high gravity environment.
@@aliboy357 Exactly, which reinforces your original point. Mars can talk about conquering Earth all it wants, but doing so would be an impossibility. Earth is too densely populated to be policed and too sensorally disorienting for their forces at the critical moments (like when they're trying to establish a bridgehead) for any occupation attempt to succeed. Plus even if they somehow did oust the UN and gain some semblance of control, now Mars gets to figure out what to do with the 30 billion people that need feeding and housing. As Bobbie discovered, it isn't laziness, its that there simply aren't enough jobs to support 30 billion people and unless they want a massive humanitarianism crisis that would inevitably lead to massive civil unrest, they'd have to deal with that somehow. Even if Mars did the impossible and seized Earth, holding it would be a massive, unsustainable drain on their economy.
@@AdmiralKarelia Physiologically it's the same. The "difference" comes from the spinning drum potentially being so small that your head and your legs experience such a difference that it nauseates you, and the fact that most people don't permanently live in spin gravity rather than just spend some time in it. If you lived 24/7 in an O'Neill cylinder set to 1g you'd grow up just the same as Earth.
I can only assume that they don't issue bone density enhancers out as part of the ration for cost savings. Its amazing that they have a functional space fleet given that they inherited our love of liberal economics.
I went scuba diving today for the first time, and I've got to say, walking out of the water with all that gear after spending a while in the water is the closest i think i could get to Bobby stepping out onto earth
Martian’s would easily lose a ground war on Earth. Even though they have trained in 1G they don’t live in it daily. They aren’t used to open outdoor spaces, smells, outdoor sounds, brighter sun, fauna, flora, and diverse geography. Plus, the sheer amount of earthers would overwhelm an invading mars force.
I love the show, but the idea of Martian marines training at 1G so they can "fight on earth" is just dumb. A war between Earth and Mars would not involve some form of ground invasion. From neither side. They have railguns, planet buster warheads, and can bombard planets with asteroids - all from across the solar system. They don't even need space ships to genocide each other, let alone a ground invasion...
Probably was intentional but the Martian skiff free falling onto Earth reminds me of the drop capsules from Starship Troopers, the combat drop from Aliens, ODSTs from Halo, etc. Really underscores the Martian militaristic mindset and that even sending personnel to their own embassy (on a hostile world but still) is treated like a combat insertion
I feel that people misunderstand what an Earth Martian war would be like . Mars doesn’t need to occupy Earth and hold it . They just need to destroy Earths ability to project force into space so ther would be no hundreds of thousands of Martian troops landing . It would be mostly tactical bombardment combined with relatively small strike squads for special mission
The Earth-Mars conflict is like any mutually-assured-destruction scenario and plays out exactly that way. And that war did happen after all, and it was just fleets shooting each other to shreds while taking potshots at each others' assets and planets, weakening each other for pretty much no gain. Just as we never ended up with Soviet tank battalions of T-82s pouring in through the Fulda Gap needing to go toe-to-toe with Abrams and A-10s, there would never actually be an MCRN ground assault at any real scale, but they still prepared for it because each side didn't trust the enemy to not do something so self-destructive. Every military prepares to invade its enemy, no matter how remote the likelihood. Martian marines trained for a ground war on earth, believed it possible and winnable, were convinced it was what they were going to do some day, because you don't tell your ground forces they wouldn't stand a chance on enemy ground. MCR leadership knew it was impossible, hence the desperation to get a weapon like the protomolecule, but it wasn't until Draper set foot on earth that she realized that fact as well.
@@CaffeinePanda Martian Marines training to fight on Earth is more like modern soldiers training to do fist fighting. You're not going to win a war with neither of those things, it's not a realistic scenario to happen at all. It's a fitness challenge, if anything. Martian Marines are elite space naval infantry, it's not their job to conquer earth, just like it wouldn't be the Navy SEALs job to conquer China or whatever.
Didn't the mcrn embassy security have power armour? (I know force recon use mk2 power armour but it would make sense for personnel based on earth to be equipped with a version of it to help deal with earths gravity)
But I think you wouldn't want them outside. With so many Earther eyes on the Embassy, you wouldn't want to have a high-tech top secret armour on display for all to study.
@@freedomloverusa3030 Yeah. Even in the most heavily fortified embassies in the world, like most american embassies in third world states, the actual heavy weaponry used to defend the embassy if it ever came to that is kept in a room deep inside the compound. The actual gate guards probably aren't armed, or not visibly so, because you don't want the building used for peace talks to have fuck off big dudes with guns outside of it. Sends conflicting messages.
one would think that an airport terminal style gantry would make more sense for landing shuttles, then you can quietly wheelchair in the weaker of the landers until they acclimatise and everyone else gets some cover from the elements, sun and satellites.
@@stephenbyrne2170 Literally used as a torturing method against Belters. One must wonder if it is possible to do so on Mars on a belter. Surely Mars gravity is much weaker than earth but it should be enough to give a Belter something to remember no?
@@minhducnguyen9276 Iirc, generally if you took a belter say raised on Ceres with 0.3g, and put them on mars with 0.38, they'd be uncomfortable but would be able to easily adjust within a few months. Ceres belters have it good though with 0.3g spin gravity. Say if you took a belter from a non-spin astroid raised at say, 0.03g, they'd have a far worse time and without some kind of pharmacological aid, die under earths gravity. It seems though that the gravity drugs in universe could in theory permit a belter to be able to live on earth, or at least visit, but that the side effects of those drugs are hell and that it's still not a guarantee, as bodies are different and the development of muscle mass varies. It's also referenced both in the books and film that belters get bone density drugs from a young age, and that not getting them or the body not responding to them causes "skinnies", the belters with "bones like chalk"- who probably would not be able to handle earths gravity, but probably mars.
I reckon that the difference in gravity would be less insufferable than the lack of light on Earth even in sunny climates (due to its having only one sun that sets 😱). It’s a very dark and cold planet. Very heavy, too (speaking of gravity).
Its not their fault. Mars' gravity field is 17% of what we're used to. And of all the Human settlements in the Solar System, the gravity of Earth, is by far the strongest.
On the human site, THE EXPANSE was a harder science fiction story. Humans still could not built FTL ships, they didn't have space magic tech like gravity plates on the many USS Enterprises from the Star-Trek-verse. So, not even with the biggest funding of all time in the history of the Martian Congressional Republic the Martians could have invented such a gravitmetric system. It was the proto-molecule from the precursor race which brought in that space magic stuff.
Martens is very cute in this scene. He even helped the person who felt bad to move on. Unlike Bobbie, who looked at him with contempt. But what confuses me the most is her [Bobbie's] bag. Feeling as if she was going not to the embassy, but to a desert island :/
I thought Martian Marines routinely trained in simulated 1g. You know, to prepare for the eventual invasion of Earth. So why are they so unaccustomed to Earth's gravity?
They'd be trained to land on Earth in powered armor that could filter out all the various olfactory distractions and the excess sunlight and everything else you see them struggling to deal with.
Also most of these people are diplomats, not Marines. Bobbie handles the gravity just fine, she just needed a few moments to get used to the sensory overload of the sun, open air and far horizon. Her douchebag superior does even better because he's been on Earth before and knows what to expect.
A non-terraformed Mars without large oceans has the surface area of all of the Earths land masses combined. You need to realize how absolutely and totally massive even the planet Mars is compared to a mere human. In our real world now in 2024 CE all urban structures of our 8 plus a few more billion mankind covers about 1.5 % that of all land masses including islands. Even a terraformed Mars with only about 60 % of the surface fit for human settlement could house a population of about 30 billion when the industry is placed beneath the surface and when there's cities consisting of massive vertical farms. These 30 billion Martians could live in urban structures covering about 6.5 to 8.5 % of the remaining surface not covered in water when cities have an average of 1.5 to 2.5 times the population density of our today's cities. Skyscrapers 1.5 or even 2.5 kilometers tall would be much easier to be built on this once red planet blue again. And the rest of the surface could still be made into a newly created natural paradise. Even caves with a few surviving endemic Martian microbes could be sealed off to allow these microbes to continue their existence. The Martians from THE EXPANSE are not yet there, neither in the books with a given population of four billion nor in the TV-series with a given population of about nine billion. They still would need at least another 600 or even 1700 years of continued terraforming.
@@michaelstaengl1349 I don't think the land area is the issue. The real issue is the food and water needed to support so many people. Our planet is struggling to support just 8 billion people and Earth is a garden. Mars is worse than the worst desert on Earth. Having only a few hundred million should be a feat in on itself, let alone billions.
"The ocean. It's one more thing they've taken for granted." How true that is. And now this country just elected an aspiring fascist and climate change denier
They should have picked a better person to be bobbie. She was supposed to be a kick ass martian drop trooper. Some scenes she was obviously struggling with weight issues xan't do martial arts and can barely even do a pushup. (There was one scene where she was doing pushups and she was having such a hard time)
Do you even know how hard the team worked to find a near 6 feet tall young actress fitting the description of the books? Also Adams did a marvelous job in the show and is praised as a fan favourite. It's you who has the unpopular opinion here.
@@bigduke2140 " FYI - unpopular does not mean wrong. In fact sometimes it is the sign of truth. " There's no reason to believe an unpopular opinion has anything to do with it being the truth.
@@bigduke2140 It's an opinion... there is no right or wrong. You don't like Frankie Adams as Bobbie? Fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But it's neither right or wrong, it's just yours. But it isn't a popular one. That doesn't mean you must change it, but you shouldn't expect to find a lot of sympathetic listeners when you choose to share it.
"Earth's gravity is hell."
Me getting up from my seat.
Me Getting Out Of Bed When I'm Still Very Sleepy And Tired Be Like:
me getting out of bed, in the 20th year of going to work, with 20 more if I'm lucky@@musicduck2251
Me holding a book up while in bed.
"Earth's gravity is hell."
Wait until you've got a 60 lb. pack, 20 pounds of body armor, 220 lead rounds, a rifle, and a gallon of water on, too. Then find out you've got to hump it up a mountain in the Himalayas... You can curse gravity then, and then, it'll just laugh at you!
😂🤣👍
The book goes into more depth, such as how she accidentally walked outside a building without realizing that door would lock itself behind her and turned into a screaming, blubbering mess as she begged to be let in because she wasn't accustomed to being on a planetary surface with breathable air. The guy who let her back in was very understanding, telling her that they have to wait until nightfall before letting Belters land because the sun really freaks them out. After going to a coffee shop where the person who serves her explains that anybody who wants to go to college has to do a mandatory gap year working, she realizes that Mars would lose a ground war on Earth rather quickly.
I loved that part and surprised the show skipped it. I love the sweet moments like how the guard taught her how to handle agoraphobia, and the way Bobbie felt weird that the guy was just being friendly.
@@tomarnold7284 Probably a runtime thing. In the book version of Courage Under Fire there's a scene where Denzel's character visits his old first sergeant, who now runs the enlisted personnel club on one of the bases, and how tight a ship he runs: a specific template for where the tables and chairs all go, the booze behind the bar is alphabetized to make it easier to do inventory, and any band that plays there has to not only cover one song on the jukebox (which has nothing after 1975) and if they play too loud he'll shut them down with a single switch.
I'm not sure why a gap year serving coffee translates to losing a ground war on Earth.
@@aluisious The implication is the massive difference between population. On Mars, there are not enough people to get all the work done that is needed. On Earth, people are expendable. Potentially billions of people, accustomed to the conditions on earth, not needed for any industrial purpose...Mars would loose a ground war by numbers alone.
@@aluisious Earth has a population of 30 billion while Mars only 8 billion. Martian invaders would immediately be overwhelmed by people who are used to the higher gravity and not needing a suit to go outside. If anything it would The Purge for Earth.
"We aren't here to give the Blues anything to laugh about."
[Puts on the goofiest sunglasses I've ever seen in a sci-fi show]
Those goofy sunglasses look like something a MAGA supporter would wear as a fashion statement at a dirt bike event.
@@Vilakazi What's goofy about them? They're supposed to be simple and do their job, protect their eyes from the sun. You wanted them to wear aviators?
Geordi LaForge might have something to say about that.
What about ski/diver like sunglasses from early episodes of V (1984)?
the best part about your statement was that bobbie also thought it looked goofy and i imagine that's why she looked at him weird and put the glasses on the seat.
Love how alien earth feels in this scene
I've watched Earth move closer to this for fifty years. Not a pretty sight.
...you perfectly articulated what this scene made me feel! Spot on.
Later on Bobbie realizes the same Martian Marines who train at 1G would be screwed if they attempted to invade Earth!
Yep simulation is nothing compared to reality :)
@@speculativefuture9568 It is more that she realized that not only is 1G normal for everbody... there are basically so many people around that they would simply be overwhelmed eventually. At this point in the books Mars' population is 4 billion, Earth's is 30 billion.
@@dennisstolwijk7906 Most of those 30 Billion are sick, uneducated, unfit, and unable to do much more than die
@@richlisola1 it would be like the soviets vs the germans: the Martian technical advantage would be overwhelmed by sheer numbers.
@@dennisstolwijk7906 In the show it is 9 billion.
“We’re not here to give the blues anything to laugh about”
**throws up**
At least he didn't evacuate his bowels!
@@jtno2 true.
Its not his fault. Martian gravity is by far if I remember, is only a little stronger than that of our moon. But that still 17% of what we're used to here on Earth.
@@stephenbyrne2170 it’s 38%
@@kayseek1248 The point still stands.
3:35 This little moment is easily overlooked: it's the first time Bobbie has ever seen an animal in its natural habitat. What a sight it must be for her.
The directing was so good, for split-second I thought it was straight up a dinosaur. Imagine how bizarre it would be for her to see something as fragile as a bird flying through the sky effortlessly when you (a badass elite Martian soldier) are barely holding it together. Really really good direction.
It's not overlooked, the camera focuses on it.
Probably one of the UN drones
@@Cd5ssmffanr/birdsarentreal
A gigantic, glider-sized seagull would freak me out too.
A lot of people in the comments talking about how training at 1G should have prepared the Martians for Earth but that's missing a lot of other factors.
1. The brightness of the sun and sensory overload of being under an actual sky as opposed to the pressurised corridors of Mars must be insanely disorientating for a first timer.
2. Training in 1G is not the same as existing in it constantly.
3. Although they mention a bone density enhancer, there's still bound to be a significant difference in bone and muscle density between a human that has gestated and grown in 1G and a human that has genstated and grown in
I think it's also mentioned that only marines train on 1G. This crew is probably diplomats for the most part. Bobbie who is a marine doesn't seem to struggle at all and same goes for that douchebag superior of hers.
@@ar1sm70 what do you mean she and her CO could barely walk like the rest of them, good luck trying to fight...😆
@@EroticOnion23 she walked just fine, not to mention run fast when she defected.
@@ar1sm70 she was hobbling when she got off the lander...
@@EroticOnion23 and yet she easily ran top speed out of the Martian embassy and never struggled in any scene after that. The reason she hobbled a little when she got off the ship wasn’t the gravity, it was the intense sun, blue sky and distant horizon, which she had never before seen having grown in more confined spaces.
This scene really just shows what problems people who grow up on Mars will have coming to Earth.
"And maintain your dignity!"
3:01
"Goddamit Carl!"
When you realize that you've trained years to fight in an hostile environment your enemy see a just a day that ends in Y.
I love how they show them taking heavier breaths and moving slowly from the moment they land. Immediately the effects of earths gravity on their bodies. Earth being much closer to the sun than mars also means the sun is brighter than what they are used to and I love how they also showed that! They put the cherry on top by showing the martians waddling and appearing to get exhausted walking just a few metres on Earth. Scientific accuracy is near perfect! Even to an Earther (us the viewers) they manage to pull off showing how bright earth really is compared to everywhere we’ve colonised behind us on the solar system..
This is the best near future space colonisation series ever made.
It’s not just about seeing the sun closer up, but also through an actual atmosphere. Makes all the difference.
@@M1tjakaramazov yes maybe that’s what made that guy so sick? Or it could’ve just been the gravity.
@@5iveshot170 Could be both. Instant migrane perhaps, like being on a glacier without sunglasses.
Couldn't agree more. Good sci-fi writing/direction is when you can get a character as badass as Bobbie and put her in a situation that reminds us of how truly bizarre (and lucky) we are to live on Earth. "Another thing they take for granted". He couldn't be more right.
I'd have thought Mars'd have a 1G spin-station they'd put marines in for a month or two to properly live in for training instead of brief simulation. Also to prep teams there for Earth visits and then do a 1G burn all the way to Earth so they stay used to it.
Gravity isn't the only problem. The whole experience is sensory overload. And most of these guys aren't marines. Bobbie manages pretty well.
High G burns long term, require shitloads of more fuel. If you burn four times harder to get somewhere, you then also have to burn four times harder to slow down for arrival. Burning at lower G is extremely economical in comparison, so aside from training exercises and intercept burns, there is little reason to spend the fuel.
The same goes for spin gravity, to achieve 1G, whatever you build had to be strong as hell so it doesn't fall apart under it's own weight when you spin it up. Meanwhile, if you go for just a fraction of a full G, you can save enormous amounts in material, construction and transport costs.
A month or two of Earth gravity isn’t going to prepare you to actually be on Earth’s gravity. They don’t spend all their time at Earth’s gravity and just a little bit of time at low g’s can mess you up. Just look at the astronauts who are up at the ISS for just 6 months to a year and some of them can’t walk without assistance in the beginning when they get back on Earth because there bodies become accustomed to the gravity up there.
@@MentalEdge Yes, but having a place to train and get used to 1G over a nice long period of time would help a lot. Plus once you've got the stuff up there, it's not that hard to move a lot of it around. Especially with the effectively-infinite delta-V the Epstein Drive gives.
@@matthewjohnbornholt648 Yeah that's something I missed watching the show and just now caught. It looks like only Bobbie and her CO are the only marines on that transport, the rest look like normal civilian diplomatic attaché, in suits carrying briefcases. It's already hell on the marines who trained for it and are on every gravity adjustment drug known, imagine what it's like for normal civilians sent there to process shit like, salvage claims or records keeping.
I get the diplomatic and symbolic purposes of having the embassy in NYC, near the UN building, but surely it'd be easier for them to keep a small outpost there and have their main offices on Luna or on an orbital station.
Great casting and acting. People complained about her, but I think she did a great job. This scene showed us her physicality in action for the first time.
They really dialed up the brightness and contrast for us here too...
Everything in this show is perfect but that seagul at the end is killing me everytime I rewatch😂
People in the comments talk about gravity being an handicap on the Martian body and other factors as well like atmosphere, but they’re missing another thing: the air. All their life, they lived in an artificial environment with odors in the air accurately chosen by the system; and when they come here, they breathe an air that’s been contaminated with all kinds odors and particles like smog, evaporated water droplets from the ocean, etc.
Under all of that, even a trained Martian would break down.
Yea, that Captain said it stunk. Probably because he grew up in an artificial environment where the real smells were scrubbed.
No.. they wouldn't. Like Bobbie exemplified it would be a few mone the disorientation then back to business.. the other guys were overwhelmed vomiting because theyre desk jockeys
If they landed in Goliath suits that takes all those disabilities out &even gives them a slight up boost advantage cause one of those ilcan take down 50 regular troops on its own &5 unn power armoured Marines
bro martians fart too you know
Not just that but the Martians would have essentially no immunity to many of the naturally existing bacteria and mold spores that are in our air. They'd be succumbing to mass illness within a week unless they had sealed suits to wear.
This show did such a good job at making the Martians and Belters feel like distinct cultures, to the point you could guess where a character was from without needed it confirmed.
In the book she not only realises that MMC 1G training is woefully insufficient for Earths actual gravity and that you could dump the entire Martian military in one city and they’d still be outnumbered to the point of being overwhelmed. All their talk of beating Earth in a fight is just that, talk. In the books the MCRN is decimated by the fighting around Mars during the Eros crisis and further weakened during the Ganymede incident to the point that their greatly reduced numbers are commented on.
Despite everything Mars tries, no matter how hard they train or how advanced their ships are compared to Earth they are always on the backfoot. Earth soldiers are naturally stronger, have naturally better endurance and outnumber their counterparts by a significant margin even having enough ships to overmatch the MCRNs technical advantage. And if Earth ever mobilised its 30 billion citizens? They could drown Martian ground forces in troops.
But vast majority of the 30mil earthers are basically "useless eaters" no? That's what I found the most unrealistic about this show/books, the elites would definitely unleash some crazy virus or something to wipe out most of us, to preserve resources...😅
Plus as this scene demonstrates, being able to handle 1G isn't enough, they need to handle; big open spaces that they absolutely aren't used to, the sheer brightness of the sun, the olfactory assault of all the disparate odors in the air (the stuff Earthers don't even notice anymore because they've acclimatised to them), the sheer scale of the horizon, the unpredictable reality of 'weather' (on Mars water falling on you from above as you walk along means a leak that needs fixing, on Earth we just call that rain), the list just goes on and on.
To any Martian, even well trained marines like Bobbie, Earth is a big sphere of sensory overlord and disorienting realities... and on it lives over 4 times Mars' entire population, to whom all of the above are just everyday mundane things.
@JamesTobiasStewart Because of rusing sea levels the air is noted as smelling of rotting seaweed slmost everywhere even in Geneva. Geneva being the seat of the UN in the books. Most Martians and Belters are actually severely agoraphobic thanks to living their lives in tunnels and domes with many becoming badly disoriented or even sick thanks to the sky and horizon. It's a part of why Naomi in the books doesn't step off the ship on Ilus and stays in orbit with Alex.
Only Earthers are still adapted to living under an open sky in a constant high gravity environment.
@@aliboy357 Exactly, which reinforces your original point. Mars can talk about conquering Earth all it wants, but doing so would be an impossibility. Earth is too densely populated to be policed and too sensorally disorienting for their forces at the critical moments (like when they're trying to establish a bridgehead) for any occupation attempt to succeed.
Plus even if they somehow did oust the UN and gain some semblance of control, now Mars gets to figure out what to do with the 30 billion people that need feeding and housing. As Bobbie discovered, it isn't laziness, its that there simply aren't enough jobs to support 30 billion people and unless they want a massive humanitarianism crisis that would inevitably lead to massive civil unrest, they'd have to deal with that somehow. Even if Mars did the impossible and seized Earth, holding it would be a massive, unsustainable drain on their economy.
It's not unlike the shock of a "Big Sky Country" in the New World to new arrivals from crowded European and English villages.
Training at 1G ain't the same as living in it.
Similarly, spin gravity isn't the same as natural gravity.
@@AdmiralKarelia Physiologically it's the same. The "difference" comes from the spinning drum potentially being so small that your head and your legs experience such a difference that it nauseates you, and the fact that most people don't permanently live in spin gravity rather than just spend some time in it. If you lived 24/7 in an O'Neill cylinder set to 1g you'd grow up just the same as Earth.
Thanks for the upload man. I appreciate all expanse content you can drop:)
No worries, my pleasure to do so.
We’d all laugh at Jupiter’s Grav, but arrogance has it’s consequences.
I can only assume that they don't issue bone density enhancers out as part of the ration for cost savings. Its amazing that they have a functional space fleet given that they inherited our love of liberal economics.
I went scuba diving today for the first time, and I've got to say, walking out of the water with all that gear after spending a while in the water is the closest i think i could get to Bobby stepping out onto earth
That's what americans and canadians feels when they land on Panamá and other tropical countries during north winter season.
Martian’s would easily lose a ground war on Earth.
Even though they have trained in 1G they don’t live in it daily. They aren’t used to open outdoor spaces, smells, outdoor sounds, brighter sun, fauna, flora, and diverse geography.
Plus, the sheer amount of earthers would overwhelm an invading mars force.
Plus Earth's population is 31 billion. You aren't going to win a ground war.
I love the show, but the idea of Martian marines training at 1G so they can "fight on earth" is just dumb. A war between Earth and Mars would not involve some form of ground invasion. From neither side. They have railguns, planet buster warheads, and can bombard planets with asteroids - all from across the solar system. They don't even need space ships to genocide each other, let alone a ground invasion...
@@Nickname-hier-einfuegen Could involve hostage rescue of martian citizens though.
Probably was intentional but the Martian skiff free falling onto Earth reminds me of the drop capsules from Starship Troopers, the combat drop from Aliens, ODSTs from Halo, etc. Really underscores the Martian militaristic mindset and that even sending personnel to their own embassy (on a hostile world but still) is treated like a combat insertion
I feel that people misunderstand what an Earth Martian war would be like . Mars doesn’t need to occupy Earth and hold it . They just need to destroy Earths ability to project force into space so ther would be no hundreds of thousands of Martian troops landing . It would be mostly tactical bombardment combined with relatively small strike squads for special mission
The Earth-Mars conflict is like any mutually-assured-destruction scenario and plays out exactly that way. And that war did happen after all, and it was just fleets shooting each other to shreds while taking potshots at each others' assets and planets, weakening each other for pretty much no gain.
Just as we never ended up with Soviet tank battalions of T-82s pouring in through the Fulda Gap needing to go toe-to-toe with Abrams and A-10s, there would never actually be an MCRN ground assault at any real scale, but they still prepared for it because each side didn't trust the enemy to not do something so self-destructive. Every military prepares to invade its enemy, no matter how remote the likelihood.
Martian marines trained for a ground war on earth, believed it possible and winnable, were convinced it was what they were going to do some day, because you don't tell your ground forces they wouldn't stand a chance on enemy ground. MCR leadership knew it was impossible, hence the desperation to get a weapon like the protomolecule, but it wasn't until Draper set foot on earth that she realized that fact as well.
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That’s an interesting assessment. Probably a very true one at that.
@@CaffeinePanda Martian Marines training to fight on Earth is more like modern soldiers training to do fist fighting. You're not going to win a war with neither of those things, it's not a realistic scenario to happen at all. It's a fitness challenge, if anything. Martian Marines are elite space naval infantry, it's not their job to conquer earth, just like it wouldn't be the Navy SEALs job to conquer China or whatever.
We would be laughing already at their sunglasses and awkward walking!
I have light sensitivity and I feel like these guys every day.
That’s how I feel every time I go to Florida. Ouch
Getting off the plane in Miami in August lol
Content dump! Hell yes my dude.
Yep I'm trying! Got nearly 150 videos to get through, not including any new stuff. So it will take a while!
Didn't the mcrn embassy security have power armour? (I know force recon use mk2 power armour but it would make sense for personnel based on earth to be equipped with a version of it to help deal with earths gravity)
But I think you wouldn't want them outside. With so many Earther eyes on the Embassy, you wouldn't want to have a high-tech top secret armour on display for all to study.
It could easily be considered offensive and undiplomatic.
@@freedomloverusa3030 Yeah. Even in the most heavily fortified embassies in the world, like most american embassies in third world states, the actual heavy weaponry used to defend the embassy if it ever came to that is kept in a room deep inside the compound. The actual gate guards probably aren't armed, or not visibly so, because you don't want the building used for peace talks to have fuck off big dudes with guns outside of it. Sends conflicting messages.
You also don't want to give the impression that you need your best gear to guard a embassy from what ever security the UN uses.
Power armor doesn't help a lot with the loads that the body generates on itself from gravity.
This show the only scientific sci-fi masterpiece that portrays people going to planets.
one would think that an airport terminal style gantry would make more sense for landing shuttles, then you can quietly wheelchair in the weaker of the landers until they acclimatise and everyone else gets some cover from the elements, sun and satellites.
This landing site was afaik deliberately chosen by the UN government to make a landing for Martians uncomfortable and to show "what a real planet is".
earth gravity is a bitch aint it martians...
Ain't as bad as how it impacts Belters.
@@stephenbyrne2170 Literally used as a torturing method against Belters. One must wonder if it is possible to do so on Mars on a belter. Surely Mars gravity is much weaker than earth but it should be enough to give a Belter something to remember no?
@@minhducnguyen9276 If its Martian gravity, for Belters it'll be like getting off of a roller coaster. I wonder if they can handle being on the moon.
@@minhducnguyen9276 Iirc, generally if you took a belter say raised on Ceres with 0.3g, and put them on mars with 0.38, they'd be uncomfortable but would be able to easily adjust within a few months. Ceres belters have it good though with 0.3g spin gravity. Say if you took a belter from a non-spin astroid raised at say, 0.03g, they'd have a far worse time and without some kind of pharmacological aid, die under earths gravity.
It seems though that the gravity drugs in universe could in theory permit a belter to be able to live on earth, or at least visit, but that the side effects of those drugs are hell and that it's still not a guarantee, as bodies are different and the development of muscle mass varies. It's also referenced both in the books and film that belters get bone density drugs from a young age, and that not getting them or the body not responding to them causes "skinnies", the belters with "bones like chalk"- who probably would not be able to handle earths gravity, but probably mars.
I reckon that the difference in gravity would be less insufferable than the lack of light on Earth even in sunny climates (due to its having only one sun that sets 😱). It’s a very dark and cold planet. Very heavy, too (speaking of gravity).
A gavametric system on surface colonies help a whole lot on low gravity worlds. These Marsians should have invested in that on there world.
Please tell me more about that
Its not their fault. Mars' gravity field is 17% of what we're used to. And of all the Human settlements in the Solar System, the gravity of Earth, is by far the strongest.
@@stephenbyrne2170 It's actually close to 40% but your point still stands.
On the human site, THE EXPANSE was a harder science fiction story. Humans still could not built FTL ships, they didn't have space magic tech like gravity plates on the many USS Enterprises from the Star-Trek-verse.
So, not even with the biggest funding of all time in the history of the Martian Congressional Republic the Martians could have invented such a gravitmetric system.
It was the proto-molecule from the precursor race which brought in that space magic stuff.
Martens is very cute in this scene. He even helped the person who felt bad to move on. Unlike Bobbie, who looked at him with contempt. But what confuses me the most is her [Bobbie's] bag. Feeling as if she was going not to the embassy, but to a desert island :/
Where do I find this?
I thought Martian Marines routinely trained in simulated 1g. You know, to prepare for the eventual invasion of Earth. So why are they so unaccustomed to Earth's gravity?
They'd be trained to land on Earth in powered armor that could filter out all the various olfactory distractions and the excess sunlight and everything else you see them struggling to deal with.
There's a difference between training in 1G and living in 1G.
Also most of these people are diplomats, not Marines. Bobbie handles the gravity just fine, she just needed a few moments to get used to the sensory overload of the sun, open air and far horizon. Her douchebag superior does even better because he's been on Earth before and knows what to expect.
Fair question, and all of these replies were on point.
it's actually amazing mars can support a population of 4 billion, very unlikely scenario
A non-terraformed Mars without large oceans has the surface area of all of the Earths land masses combined.
You need to realize how absolutely and totally massive even the planet Mars is compared to a mere human.
In our real world now in 2024 CE all urban structures of our 8 plus a few more billion mankind covers about 1.5 % that of all land masses including islands.
Even a terraformed Mars with only about 60 % of the surface fit for human settlement could house a population of about 30 billion when the industry is placed beneath the surface and when there's cities consisting of massive vertical farms.
These 30 billion Martians could live in urban structures covering about 6.5 to 8.5 % of the remaining surface not covered in water when cities have an average of 1.5 to 2.5 times the population density of our today's cities.
Skyscrapers 1.5 or even 2.5 kilometers tall would be much easier to be built on this once red planet blue again.
And the rest of the surface could still be made into a newly created natural paradise. Even caves with a few surviving endemic Martian microbes could be sealed off to allow these microbes to continue their existence.
The Martians from THE EXPANSE are not yet there, neither in the books with a given population of four billion nor in the TV-series with a given population of about nine billion. They still would need at least another 600 or even 1700 years of continued terraforming.
@@michaelstaengl1349 I don't think the land area is the issue. The real issue is the food and water needed to support so many people. Our planet is struggling to support just 8 billion people and Earth is a garden. Mars is worse than the worst desert on Earth. Having only a few hundred million should be a feat in on itself, let alone billions.
@@zippyparakeet1074 It's not the planet being unable to support 8 billion. It's the greed.
Truly one of the shows of all time
for some reason the gravity had no effect before the stepped outside? 😂
They sat down in the landing pod.
i love the ocean comment like bro thats long island sound it smells like dogshit now go to FL or something lol
This is what incels think outside is like
How more powerful would the ships from Infinite Warfare be?
"The ocean. It's one more thing they've taken for granted."
How true that is. And now this country just elected an aspiring fascist and climate change denier
alright the sun is not that much brighter on earth lol, maybe if she came from saturn or something
This is like when a white American visits Europe for the first time.
No, this is like white American visits Australia when they're 80 years old and steps out into 47 degree outback desert.
They should have picked a better person to be bobbie. She was supposed to be a kick ass martian drop trooper. Some scenes she was obviously struggling with weight issues xan't do martial arts and can barely even do a pushup. (There was one scene where she was doing pushups and she was having such a hard time)
Do you even know how hard the team worked to find a near 6 feet tall young actress fitting the description of the books? Also Adams did a marvelous job in the show and is praised as a fan favourite. It's you who has the unpopular opinion here.
@@UNSFFYI - unpopular does not mean wrong. In fact sometimes it is the sign of truth.
Are really just going to copy-paste this onto every video about Bobbie? That's pretty weak.
@@bigduke2140 " FYI - unpopular does not mean wrong. In fact sometimes it is the sign of truth.
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There's no reason to believe an unpopular opinion has anything to do with it being the truth.
@@bigduke2140 It's an opinion... there is no right or wrong. You don't like Frankie Adams as Bobbie? Fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But it's neither right or wrong, it's just yours. But it isn't a popular one. That doesn't mean you must change it, but you shouldn't expect to find a lot of sympathetic listeners when you choose to share it.
Worst casting in human history.