MORMONS, THERE IS NO BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD. Scripture is very clear in stating that this life is the only chance we get. Once we die, our fate is sealed: HEBREWS 9:27 "It is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgement..." There are "no second chances" after death.
MORMONS ARE WRONG ABOUT THE APOSTASY. If Smith was right about the Apostasy, then was Jesus a failure when it came to establishing His Church? NO...after all, what are we to think of His promises? If there really was a complete apostasy, how do we explain our Lord's claim that his church never would be overcome, "upon this rock I will build My church, and read the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it..." (Matthew 16:18). What about His promise that He would be with His Church until the end of time (Matthew 28:20)? What about His promise to send the Holy Spirit as a guide who would abide with the church (John 14:16, 26)? What about the about the Holy Spirit guiding the church into all truth (John 16:13)? A key difficulty for Mormons is they can't say exactly when the apostasy took place, nor can they point point to any historical evidence of it. Other than Smith's claims there is only an interior feeling or testimony on which Mormons can base their beliefs, but such subjective proof proves nothing.
@Steelblaidd I believe in the Bible and that Jesus is my Lord and Savior, Jesus is also God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity and the Eternal Creator God, He authored being saved by grace through faith, not of works. He did not send and angel from heaven to Joseph Smith, also that the Book of Mormon is false doctrine, that Mormons cannot be god's (Isaiah 43:10 & 45:5).
@@AlbertJLouie Assuming protestant then. Our position is that the Apostocy was the loss of the full authority invested in Peter, James and John and the other Apostles. Without the authority to receive public revelation and bind on earth and in heaven then the Church can't operate, no matter how committed the people are. Also, what do you object to in this passage? "5 Know ye that ye must come to the knowledge of your fathers, and repent of all your sins and iniquities, and believe in Jesus Christ, that he is the Son of God, and that he was slain by the Jews, and by the power of the Father he hath risen again, whereby he hath gained the victory over the grave; and also in him is the sting of death swallowed up. 6 And he bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead, whereby man must be raised to stand before his judgment-seat. 7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. 8 Therefore repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus, and lay hold upon the gospel of Christ" - Mormon 7:5-8
@Steelblaidd The Biblical and academic evidence presented says your WRONG. So, who would you rather believe? A. Jesus, the Trustworthy witness, God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity, who has the power to release us from our sins. OR B. Joseph Smith, a man who lies, and false prophet. You better choose Jesus. Also, the Mormon church doesn't have any priesthood. DO MORMONS HAVE A PRIESTHOOD? In the opening sentences of the Book of Revelation, John the Apostle makes an astounding statement when he declares: "Blessing and peace to you from him who is, and was, and is coming, and from the seven spirits before his throne and from Jesus Christ, the trustworthy witness, the first born of the dead, the sovereign of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has released us from our sins by his own blood--he has made us a kingdom of priests for His God and Father--to him be glory and power forever" (Goodspeed, verses 4-6). How incisive is this plain declaration by apostolic authority, Jesus Christ who is the sovereign of the kings of the earth, the one who continues to love us and who has released us from our sins through His own blood, has also made us "a kingdom of priests for His God and Father." Here is the true priesthood indeed. The Christian does not need any temples, secret services, rituals and mysteries. His priesthood knows no special offices and power to communicate with the dead, something which the Mormon priesthood most definitely claims (See Leaves from the Tree, a catechism for young people by Mormon leader Charles Penrose, p.38). The Christian priesthood embraces all those who have been loosed from their sins by the Blood of Jesus Christ, and who enjoy the perpetual love of the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. This concept is further developed in the writings of Peter, who affirms that: "You are the chosen race, the "royal priesthood," the consecrated nation, his own people, so that you may declare the virtues of him who has called you out of darkness into his wonderful light; you who were once no people, but are now God's people; once unpitied, but now pitied indeed..." (I PETER 2:9 and 10, Goodspeed). In this context, the words of the apostle establish that long before there were any mythological Mormon priesthoods, there is a priesthood embracing all redeemed, a "royal priesthood," neither Aaronic nor Melchizedek. This priesthood is composed of all consecrated "ambassadors for Christ," to quote the Apostle Paul, whose task it is to exhort men to "be reconciled to God," "knowing the terror of the Lord" (II Corinthians 5:20 and 11). As has been observed, Mormonism places great stress upon the priesthood. But as we have also seen, it is not the priesthood described in the Scriptures. Instead they have substituted the revelation of "Prophet" Smith concerning a priesthood which has been changed (Hebrews 7:12) and a priesthood which by its nature is "untransferable" (7:24). The resulting dilemma is that they have no priesthood at all since their denial of the true Deity of Jesus Christ and the nature of God rules out the possibility that they could share in the priesthood of all believers. In order for one to be one of the "kingdom of priests for His God and Father" (Revelation 1:4-6) and a member of the "royal priesthood" (I PETER 2:9, 10), one must first have undergone personal regeneration in a saving encounter or experience with the God-Man of Scripture--Jesus Christ. Mormon theology with its pantheon of gods, its perverted view of the Virgin Birth, and its outright condemnation of all churches as an "abomination" (Joseph Smith--History 1:19), removes itself from serious consideration as a form of Christianity. There is more to Christianity than the application of the Christian ethnic. There is a great deal more to the Gospel than the similarity of terms, albeit redefined. Christianity is not just a system of doctrinal pronouncements (though they are of vast importance). It is a living vital experience with the God of the Bible as He was incarnate in the man from Nazareth. Mormonism with its many doctrinal vagaries and outright denials of historic Christian teachings, disqualifies itself. And its priesthood, on which it places so much emphasis, is shown to be the antithesis of the divine revelation.
@AlbertJLouie I am a member of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. I know who my Savior is. I know Joseph Smith was his devoted servant, as are the men who have followed in his office. I know that the Authority of God is in His Priesthood which I hold and endeavor to be worthy of. I get everything in the Bible and more. You have not said ANYTHING that shows you have more of Christ Spirit than I experience already. Re: priesthood, we stand with the Catholics and Orthodox on how it is destribited. Pay attention to the last line particularly. 1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: 2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity. 3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. 4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron. Hebrews 5:1-4 www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/heb/5?id=p1-p4&lang=eng#p1
MORMONS, THERE IS NO BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD.
Scripture is very clear in stating that this life is the only chance we get. Once we die, our fate is sealed:
HEBREWS 9:27
"It is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgement..."
There are "no second chances" after death.
MORMONS ARE WRONG ABOUT THE APOSTASY.
If Smith was right about the Apostasy, then was Jesus a failure when it came to establishing His Church? NO...after all, what are we to think of His promises? If there really was a complete apostasy, how do we explain our Lord's claim that his church never would be overcome, "upon this rock I will build My church, and read the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it..." (Matthew 16:18). What about His promise that He would be with His Church until the end of time (Matthew 28:20)? What about His promise to send the Holy Spirit as a guide who would abide with the church (John 14:16, 26)? What about the about the Holy Spirit guiding the church into all truth (John 16:13)?
A key difficulty for Mormons is they can't say exactly when the apostasy took place, nor can they point point to any historical evidence of it. Other than Smith's claims there is only an interior feeling or testimony on which Mormons can base their beliefs, but such subjective proof proves nothing.
Are you Protestant or Catholic?
@Steelblaidd
I believe in the Bible and that Jesus is my Lord and Savior, Jesus is also God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity and the Eternal Creator God, He authored being saved by grace through faith, not of works. He did not send and angel from heaven to Joseph Smith, also that the Book of Mormon is false doctrine, that Mormons cannot be god's (Isaiah 43:10 & 45:5).
@@AlbertJLouie Assuming protestant then. Our position is that the Apostocy was the loss of the full authority invested in Peter, James and John and the other Apostles. Without the authority to receive public revelation and bind on earth and in heaven then the Church can't operate, no matter how committed the people are.
Also, what do you object to in this passage?
"5 Know ye that ye must come to the knowledge of your fathers, and repent of all your sins and iniquities, and believe in Jesus Christ, that he is the Son of God, and that he was slain by the Jews, and by the power of the Father he hath risen again, whereby he hath gained the victory over the grave; and also in him is the sting of death swallowed up. 6 And he bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead, whereby man must be raised to stand before his judgment-seat. 7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. 8 Therefore repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus, and lay hold upon the gospel of Christ" - Mormon 7:5-8
@Steelblaidd
The Biblical and academic evidence presented says your WRONG.
So, who would you rather believe?
A. Jesus, the Trustworthy witness, God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity, who has the power to release us from our sins.
OR
B. Joseph Smith, a man who lies, and false prophet.
You better choose Jesus.
Also, the Mormon church doesn't have any priesthood.
DO MORMONS HAVE A PRIESTHOOD?
In the opening sentences of the Book of Revelation, John the Apostle makes an astounding statement when he declares:
"Blessing and peace to you from him who is, and was, and is coming, and from the seven spirits before his throne and from Jesus Christ, the trustworthy witness, the first born of the dead, the sovereign of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has released us from our sins by his own blood--he has made us a kingdom of priests for His God and Father--to him be glory and power forever" (Goodspeed, verses 4-6).
How incisive is this plain declaration by apostolic authority, Jesus Christ who is the sovereign of the kings of the earth, the one who continues to love us and who has released us from our sins through His own blood, has also made us "a kingdom of priests for His God and Father." Here is the true priesthood indeed.
The Christian does not need any temples, secret services, rituals and mysteries. His priesthood knows no special offices and power to communicate with the dead, something which the Mormon priesthood most definitely claims (See Leaves from the Tree, a catechism for young people by Mormon leader Charles Penrose, p.38). The Christian priesthood embraces all those who have been loosed from their sins by the Blood of Jesus Christ, and who enjoy the perpetual love of the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
This concept is further developed in the writings of Peter, who affirms that:
"You are the chosen race, the "royal priesthood," the consecrated nation, his own people, so that you may declare the virtues of him who has called you out of darkness into his wonderful light; you who were once no people, but are now God's people; once unpitied, but now pitied indeed..." (I PETER 2:9 and 10, Goodspeed).
In this context, the words of the apostle establish that long before there were any mythological Mormon priesthoods, there is a priesthood embracing all redeemed, a "royal priesthood," neither Aaronic nor Melchizedek. This priesthood is composed of all consecrated "ambassadors for Christ," to quote the Apostle Paul, whose task it is to exhort men to "be reconciled to God," "knowing the terror of the Lord" (II Corinthians 5:20 and 11).
As has been observed, Mormonism places great stress upon the priesthood. But as we have also seen, it is not the priesthood described in the Scriptures. Instead they have substituted the revelation of "Prophet" Smith concerning a priesthood which has been changed (Hebrews 7:12) and a priesthood which by its nature is "untransferable" (7:24). The resulting dilemma is that they have no priesthood at all since their denial of the true Deity of Jesus Christ and the nature of God rules out the possibility that they could share in the priesthood of all believers. In order for one to be one of the "kingdom of priests for His God and Father" (Revelation 1:4-6) and a member of the "royal priesthood" (I PETER 2:9, 10), one must first have undergone personal regeneration in a saving encounter or experience with the God-Man of Scripture--Jesus Christ. Mormon theology with its pantheon of gods, its perverted view of the Virgin Birth, and its outright condemnation of all churches as an "abomination" (Joseph Smith--History 1:19), removes itself from serious consideration as a form of Christianity. There is more to Christianity than the application of the Christian ethnic. There is a great deal more to the Gospel than the similarity of terms, albeit redefined. Christianity is not just a system of doctrinal pronouncements (though they are of vast importance). It is a living vital experience with the God of the Bible as He was incarnate in the man from Nazareth. Mormonism with its many doctrinal vagaries and outright denials of historic Christian teachings, disqualifies itself. And its priesthood, on which it places so much emphasis, is shown to be the antithesis of the divine revelation.
@AlbertJLouie
I am a member of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints.
I know who my Savior is.
I know Joseph Smith was his devoted servant, as are the men who have followed in his office.
I know that the Authority of God is in His Priesthood which I hold and endeavor to be worthy of.
I get everything in the Bible and more.
You have not said ANYTHING that shows you have more of Christ Spirit than I experience already.
Re: priesthood, we stand with the Catholics and Orthodox on how it is destribited. Pay attention to the last line particularly.
1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: 2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity. 3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. 4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
Hebrews 5:1-4
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/heb/5?id=p1-p4&lang=eng#p1