When I reached my 40's, my Ti started to kick in more consciously. I've learned from my mistakes and situations of rejection, burn out, being a doormat or feeling unwanted. My Ti is teaching me to stick to what works, not to care too much of what others think, to enjoy my social breaks and to empower myself and not worry myself to death. I've always been typed as an ESFJ even with or without the knowledge of MBTI. I've learned with vulnerability to embrace my weaknesses and share my strengths!
"Then the other half of the ESFJs are Fe / Ne. You'd have a hard time recognizing one if you saw them. You'd think they are ENTP or something like this." Omg, I jumped at this. The ESFJ stereotype stuff never fit me, at all. If you go down to what MBTI says - preferred way of thinking - it fits perfectly though. For quite a while I was so confused wether I might be ENTP, but that wouldn't fit with my obvious Fe. Your statements make so much sense. I debate people a lot because I try finding truth in everything. They keep getting annoyed (behind my back) and I gather and gather more information on topics I enjoy, because I want to understand every little detail about it and then go out and talk to people about it to share my discoveries, debate and try to find an even deeper understanding. This is where I dont agree with your statements. You make it seem as if a persons 4th function is almost not recognized. Either I am an anomaly or it is because I have spent years building a foundation of truth with my Ti that everything that is said runs through and is checked wether it fits into my subjective Ti. Everything. I always felt so out of place compared to gossiping, party throwing ESFJ. I am more of an analyzing, strategizing kind of guy. But that Fe is obvious and confirmed by friends who studied MBTI for some years now. That feeling the atmosphere, sensing when people are uncomfortable and wanting to bring forth mutual benefit for everyone and making everyone happy is like an autopilot thing for me. Yeah, confusing stuff, but I'm honing in on truth with your new inputs. Finally after 2 years.
As an INTP who has 2 very close friends, one ESFJ and the other ENTP, I can tell you- If I didn't know better... I'd think it was the ESFJ typing that message (as in it was actually him). We meet up in person every couple of months when he's having a Ti tidal wave (ofc he's unaware of this). And usually I'll kinda go over all his collection of thoughts and beat him over the head with all his weak Ti gibberish. "You make it seem as if a persons 4th function is almost not recognized" the irony of this comment. You mean you spend a lot of time collecting a load of (values Fe) with your Ne? LOL. To me it's just extremely obvious as you are the polar opposite of me. Party throwing ESFJ? Sounds more like ENFP/ESFP and ENTP friends to me. From my pov this whole comment was a massive clump of Fe/Ne organised by Si. But I can see the extreme difference between this and something an ENTP would right. If you don't already, find an INTP, INTJ friends to chat to some on reddit. Pay attention to their mindsets.. like how the INTJ has like lazer focus Ni.
hi, i've read your comment and i'd like to ask if you've considered being ENFJ? i understand you have big Fe, but if you're so focused on your thing like what you said, i wonder if it might be high Ni and not Ne Ti? i'd love to hear your explanation to if i'm wrong, or if you've considered it at all, why you think you're ESFJ and not ENFJ etc (of course i have a lot of missing info bc i don't know you lol) - ISFP
@@Sakushishii in the beginning of studying MBTI I had some thoughts towards being ENFJ, but I can say for sure I dont have Ni. I am a "breadcrumb-guy". When explaining things and talk about things I leave bread crumbs for everyone to understand and make sure everyone can follow along. Dave and Shan called this process of Si "leaving breadcrumbs", comparing that to Ni, which doesn't really care if others follow along. They gave Derren Brown and an INTJ (Blast) as an example of this, they explain concepts (drink 8 ounces of water), but never give you the exact steps you have to take to reach your goal. I do exactly that: give exact, small steps, so everybody can easily follow along. At the time I wrote this comment I mistook my love for debate and diving (semi-)deep into different topics as high Ti, which I now see isn't completely true. I do love debating, I do love learning about things I'm interested in, but I definitely have consume and sleep as a demon. The INTJ-Blast guy I mentioned earlier said he "reads one book every day", but it turns out he only jumps in, grabs what he can, and runs out of the book again, because he is low on consume. This is exactly how things feel for me. My exact type is FF Fe/Si (B;P/C;S), the same as Dr Mike. OP typing him has helped me tremendously in figuring this out, there were multiple things I immediately recognized, like mascule N holding the memory, meaning one has to attach it to another pattern, which is exactly what I do. Hope this answer helps somehow.
@@markmanley2184 that's very interesting, thank you for the reply. i've investigated and learned a lot of mbti but esfj is the type i basically barely know anything about yet (ironically because they're supposed to be the majority of population or something lol). there are some people in my life i think might be esfj, but i just feel like i don't know enough or anything about esfj to type them (i only know the theoretical what every function does but not how the functions specifically work for esfjs case in ways that arent the stereotype). what youve told about "breadcrumbs" is very interesting. i relate to explaining things in detail but from a different point: because of my low te my te skills aren't the best+i'm insecure in te-ing, so it makes me overexplain sometimes to make sure i'm being understood or the other person gets me. also i don't know those FF BPCS u talk about lol. but dr mike is amusing in his obvious esfjness
I'm close to 2 very different ESFJs, one is Play-Blast/Sleep and the other is Blast-Sleep/Consume. Their choices in marriage partners seem to balance out their personal deficiencies. The Play-Blast ESFJ has the sterotypical ExxJ issue of not knowing what they value, being very results-oriented, and leaning on others to recommend what they should want (and married for 30 years to an INTP with strong personal views). The Blast-Sleep ESFJ is much less outgoing, way more focused, knows what they want, but is not very flexible or comfortable with change (and married to a Blast-Sleep INTJ that is more comfortable with creating structure out of chaos).
Thank you so much. Your the only video that I have found, that doesn’t stereotype us. 😅 phew. I care about people but I have higher Ne. I’m always in my mind reasearching looking for new ideas. Although sometimes I worry about strays. My Ti sometimes feels like Fi. And when it’s paired with Si and Ne my mind becomes my mansion. It literally can fascinate the crap out of me.
ISTP here with a ESFJ sister who is shocked at me suddenly telling her how I feel and being this different person who can show emotions. She's having what I'm literally calling it-reality check. Long story short she tried to run away from a marriage my mom arranged for her and me being all Ti-Ni kept asking myself why she didn't just run away like I would. Took me a long time to realize I needed to actually Ni-Se my way into Fe-ing with her so she could understand my literal way of explaining what she needs to do for herself.
Part of why it is so hard for me to identify what type I am is that because of covid and an overseas study I was kind of forced to stay alone with myself a lot and I went through major transformations, which werent easy, but they healed my people pleasing tendencies that I didn't want to face. I never would have thought to admit to myself that I might be either ENFJ or ESFJ, since I changed so much, but these the more I am learning, it seems that exactly these types hit home the most, in an uncomfortable way. (Compared to before where I was thinking that I was an ENFP/INFP/INFJ etc, types that I perhaps want to be, rather than I actually am one of those types)
Welcome back!!! Cannot say how happy I am that you're making videos again. Can you please do the Alpha State videos for INTJs (your videos on these always get the most views anyway!) and ENTJs? Thank you so much legend!!!
Can you do a isfp video? We always seem to be left out, and I'd love some to hear some pointers on how to develop te. Underdeveloped Te has always been the source of embarrassment to me.
one thing i noticed : single observer( IxxJ and ExxP) will be amazed on how single decider(IxxP and ExxJ) are able to see reality , meanwile we ask ourself: how the fuck do you get on well with pepole ? i just find it funny how the polar opposite are more similar than what it seems . so i think that the P and the J archetype might be a little dated
I've just realized that while i thought my whole life I was infp i am actually a esfj, and there are like three intp's in my family a entp and a intj, needless to say my ti and ne is doing pretty well
I´m really looking forward to the alpha state of INFP. The thought of feeding my Te is terrifying. Am I not betraying myself? How can I work on my Te without loosing my values and myself?
I guess it is a matter of self trust. You do not have to fear for your dominant function to lose its power. It never will, because it is dominant. It's autopilot mode, your strongest strength and will never break. So you got nothing to lose in giving it a break, there's only gain. And don't listen to your Fi on that matter. Stick through with it until you are seeing clear results - or even better, try to genuinely fall in love with the idea of improving your weaknesses and becoming a more whole and capable version of yourself, while your strengths can and will not be affected.
My advice as a fellow INTP, fade him out of your life and find new friends. It's not worth it. INTPs communicate well with people with lead high Te Ni like an INTJ or an ENTJ. If your T function is high and his T function is low you will constantly be communicating on different frequencies valueing different things. And you can't change what you intrinsically value.
@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 hey thanks. I have decided to do the same. He is still a friend but a friend who wouldn't want to meet often. I found out I'm an INTJ with high ti score. But strangely one of closest friend these days is an ESFJ who would have thought a "sensor" would make a better friend then an Ni type. But it makes sense when you look at cognitive function synergies. Anyway yeah. Thanks again for your advice.
@@gouthambolt That's strange as INTJs and INTPs are basically mirrors of eachother and different on every single function. I know I'm intp cause of the Se blindspot, I have no body control or balance like most intp 🤣 I'd expect an INTJ to misjudge as INTP due to INTJ Fe blindspot fits the nerdy stereotype. I'd always found INTJs can occasionally be inconsiderate in ways INTPs wouldn't though.
i have to be honest: i really do NOT care about the tribe...i especially do not care about tribe values😕 in a detached way, i care about some within the tribe ...only some of the time in EXTREMELY rare instances, i care about very select, very few within the tribe -intp
taurini intp airbender Burned and abused Fe is totally capable of the FU tribe mentality. Also-the double introvert totally knows about the tribe but doesn’t have enough sleep energy banked to even care to change their behavior. They manage enough guilt about it to suck more life out of them (me)
Alot of us (Esfjs) go through this silently in our lives and it really like going to hell and coming back just for self- discovery and with alot of lessons learned .
When I reached my 40's, my Ti started to kick in more consciously. I've learned from my mistakes and situations of rejection, burn out, being a doormat or feeling unwanted. My Ti is teaching me to stick to what works, not to care too much of what others think, to enjoy my social breaks and to empower myself and not worry myself to death.
I've always been typed as an ESFJ even with or without the knowledge of MBTI. I've learned with vulnerability to embrace my weaknesses and share my strengths!
"Then the other half of the ESFJs are Fe / Ne. You'd have a hard time recognizing one if you saw them. You'd think they are ENTP or something like this."
Omg, I jumped at this. The ESFJ stereotype stuff never fit me, at all. If you go down to what MBTI says - preferred way of thinking - it fits perfectly though.
For quite a while I was so confused wether I might be ENTP, but that wouldn't fit with my obvious Fe. Your statements make so much sense.
I debate people a lot because I try finding truth in everything. They keep getting annoyed (behind my back) and I gather and gather more information on topics I enjoy, because I want to understand every little detail about it and then go out and talk to people about it to share my discoveries, debate and try to find an even deeper understanding.
This is where I dont agree with your statements. You make it seem as if a persons 4th function is almost not recognized. Either I am an anomaly or it is because I have spent years building a foundation of truth with my Ti that everything that is said runs through and is checked wether it fits into my subjective Ti. Everything.
I always felt so out of place compared to gossiping, party throwing ESFJ. I am more of an analyzing, strategizing kind of guy. But that Fe is obvious and confirmed by friends who studied MBTI for some years now. That feeling the atmosphere, sensing when people are uncomfortable and wanting to bring forth mutual benefit for everyone and making everyone happy is like an autopilot thing for me.
Yeah, confusing stuff, but I'm honing in on truth with your new inputs. Finally after 2 years.
For years, I was so sure I was ENTP. I haven't settled on anything yet but I'm kind of on the same boat!
As an INTP who has 2 very close friends, one ESFJ and the other ENTP, I can tell you- If I didn't know better... I'd think it was the ESFJ typing that message (as in it was actually him). We meet up in person every couple of months when he's having a Ti tidal wave (ofc he's unaware of this). And usually I'll kinda go over all his collection of thoughts and beat him over the head with all his weak Ti gibberish. "You make it seem as if a persons 4th function is almost not recognized" the irony of this comment. You mean you spend a lot of time collecting a load of (values Fe) with your Ne? LOL. To me it's just extremely obvious as you are the polar opposite of me.
Party throwing ESFJ? Sounds more like ENFP/ESFP and ENTP friends to me.
From my pov this whole comment was a massive clump of Fe/Ne organised by Si. But I can see the extreme difference between this and something an ENTP would right. If you don't already, find an INTP, INTJ friends to chat to some on reddit. Pay attention to their mindsets.. like how the INTJ has like lazer focus Ni.
hi, i've read your comment and i'd like to ask if you've considered being ENFJ?
i understand you have big Fe, but if you're so focused on your thing like what you said, i wonder if it might be high Ni and not Ne Ti?
i'd love to hear your explanation to if i'm wrong, or if you've considered it at all, why you think you're ESFJ and not ENFJ etc (of course i have a lot of missing info bc i don't know you lol)
- ISFP
@@Sakushishii in the beginning of studying MBTI I had some thoughts towards being ENFJ, but I can say for sure I dont have Ni.
I am a "breadcrumb-guy". When explaining things and talk about things I leave bread crumbs for everyone to understand and make sure everyone can follow along. Dave and Shan called this process of Si "leaving breadcrumbs", comparing that to Ni, which doesn't really care if others follow along. They gave Derren Brown and an INTJ (Blast) as an example of this, they explain concepts (drink 8 ounces of water), but never give you the exact steps you have to take to reach your goal. I do exactly that: give exact, small steps, so everybody can easily follow along.
At the time I wrote this comment I mistook my love for debate and diving (semi-)deep into different topics as high Ti, which I now see isn't completely true. I do love debating, I do love learning about things I'm interested in, but I definitely have consume and sleep as a demon. The INTJ-Blast guy I mentioned earlier said he "reads one book every day", but it turns out he only jumps in, grabs what he can, and runs out of the book again, because he is low on consume. This is exactly how things feel for me.
My exact type is FF Fe/Si (B;P/C;S), the same as Dr Mike. OP typing him has helped me tremendously in figuring this out, there were multiple things I immediately recognized, like mascule N holding the memory, meaning one has to attach it to another pattern, which is exactly what I do.
Hope this answer helps somehow.
@@markmanley2184 that's very interesting, thank you for the reply. i've investigated and learned a lot of mbti but esfj is the type i basically barely know anything about yet (ironically because they're supposed to be the majority of population or something lol). there are some people in my life i think might be esfj, but i just feel like i don't know enough or anything about esfj to type them (i only know the theoretical what every function does but not how the functions specifically work for esfjs case in ways that arent the stereotype). what youve told about "breadcrumbs" is very interesting. i relate to explaining things in detail but from a different point: because of my low te my te skills aren't the best+i'm insecure in te-ing, so it makes me overexplain sometimes to make sure i'm being understood or the other person gets me.
also i don't know those FF BPCS u talk about lol. but dr mike is amusing in his obvious esfjness
I'm close to 2 very different ESFJs, one is Play-Blast/Sleep and the other is Blast-Sleep/Consume. Their choices in marriage partners seem to balance out their personal deficiencies.
The Play-Blast ESFJ has the sterotypical ExxJ issue of not knowing what they value, being very results-oriented, and leaning on others to recommend what they should want (and married for 30 years to an INTP with strong personal views). The Blast-Sleep ESFJ is much less outgoing, way more focused, knows what they want, but is not very flexible or comfortable with change (and married to a Blast-Sleep INTJ that is more comfortable with creating structure out of chaos).
This is just what I needed! Thank you so much!
Thank you so much. Your the only video that I have found, that doesn’t stereotype us. 😅 phew. I care about people but I have higher Ne. I’m always in my mind reasearching looking for new ideas. Although sometimes I worry about strays. My Ti sometimes feels like Fi. And when it’s paired with Si and Ne my mind becomes my mansion. It literally can fascinate the crap out of me.
Great video guys! I was almost sure I was ENFJ but recently I have been learning a lot and I am probably a mistyped ESFJ. Thanks for this!
ISTP here with a ESFJ sister who is shocked at me suddenly telling her how I feel and being this different person who can show emotions. She's having what I'm literally calling it-reality check.
Long story short she tried to run away from a marriage my mom arranged for her and me being all Ti-Ni kept asking myself why she didn't just run away like I would. Took me a long time to realize I needed to actually Ni-Se my way into Fe-ing with her so she could understand my literal way of explaining what she needs to do for herself.
Part of why it is so hard for me to identify what type I am is that because of covid and an overseas study I was kind of forced to stay alone with myself a lot and I went through major transformations, which werent easy, but they healed my people pleasing tendencies that I didn't want to face. I never would have thought to admit to myself that I might be either ENFJ or ESFJ, since I changed so much, but these the more I am learning, it seems that exactly these types hit home the most, in an uncomfortable way. (Compared to before where I was thinking that I was an ENFP/INFP/INFJ etc, types that I perhaps want to be, rather than I actually am one of those types)
Do an entp alpha state video 🙏
Pleeeeeease
Welcome back!!! Cannot say how happy I am that you're making videos again. Can you please do the Alpha State videos for INTJs (your videos on these always get the most views anyway!) and ENTJs? Thank you so much legend!!!
Right now I'm not sure if I'm an ESFJ or an ENFJ but WOW I feel so empowered
Can you do a isfp video? We always seem to be left out, and I'd love some to hear some pointers on how to develop te. Underdeveloped Te has always been the source of embarrassment to me.
Same here! Waiting for ISFP alpha state video!
An entp around an ESFJ is like, "only losers think these people are boring. I'm drawn to those people have problems wiff."
Dave back at it again with the ESFJ - ENTP Remark
What do you mean?
(INFP) This isn't even my type and I'm ready to go to battle!!
one thing i noticed : single observer( IxxJ and ExxP) will be amazed on how single decider(IxxP and ExxJ) are able to see reality ,
meanwile we ask ourself: how the fuck do you get on well with pepole ?
i just find it funny how the polar opposite are more similar than what it seems .
so i think that the P and the J archetype might be a little dated
Could you do a ISFJ alpha state video Dave?
I've just realized that while i thought my whole life I was infp i am actually a esfj, and there are like three intp's in my family a entp and a intj, needless to say my ti and ne is doing pretty well
i'm an infp with a esfj mom :/
@@ankaschannel That's a great combo if you have types yourselves correctly :)
infp alpha state - joan of the arc
I really needed this
I´m really looking forward to the alpha state of INFP. The thought of feeding my Te is terrifying. Am I not betraying myself? How can I work on my Te without loosing my values and myself?
I guess it is a matter of self trust. You do not have to fear for your dominant function to lose its power. It never will, because it is dominant. It's autopilot mode, your strongest strength and will never break. So you got nothing to lose in giving it a break, there's only gain. And don't listen to your Fi on that matter. Stick through with it until you are seeing clear results - or even better, try to genuinely fall in love with the idea of improving your weaknesses and becoming a more whole and capable version of yourself, while your strengths can and will not be affected.
Thank you. It is true and makes sense
I think I am an ESFJ Fe-Ne cause ENFJ feels more like me from the videos I watch but I always get esfj in the test... How can I trully find out?
I am an INTP. I have an ESFJ friend. He pushes my buttons all time. Sooner or later I am gonna loose control and he will regret it.
My advice as a fellow INTP, fade him out of your life and find new friends. It's not worth it. INTPs communicate well with people with lead high Te Ni like an INTJ or an ENTJ.
If your T function is high and his T function is low you will constantly be communicating on different frequencies valueing different things.
And you can't change what you intrinsically value.
@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 hey thanks. I have decided to do the same. He is still a friend but a friend who wouldn't want to meet often. I found out I'm an INTJ with high ti score. But strangely one of closest friend these days is an ESFJ who would have thought a "sensor" would make a better friend then an Ni type. But it makes sense when you look at cognitive function synergies. Anyway yeah. Thanks again for your advice.
@@gouthambolt That's strange as INTJs and INTPs are basically mirrors of eachother and different on every single function.
I know I'm intp cause of the Se blindspot, I have no body control or balance like most intp 🤣
I'd expect an INTJ to misjudge as INTP due to INTJ Fe blindspot fits the nerdy stereotype.
I'd always found INTJs can occasionally be inconsiderate in ways INTPs wouldn't though.
@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 I have a lot of patience. INTJ is a preceving type and INTP is judgemental type so yeah INTPs can be more regid
@@gouthambolt How does percieving and judgeing affect it, that just determine what functions they have?..
Is organizing a social event an Fe/Si thing?
Absolutely.
Infp alfa state please 🤗
i have to be honest: i really do NOT care about the tribe...i especially do not care about tribe values😕
in a detached way, i care about some within the tribe ...only some of the time
in EXTREMELY rare instances, i care about very select, very few within the tribe
-intp
taurini intp airbender Burned and abused Fe is totally capable of the FU tribe mentality. Also-the double introvert totally knows about the tribe but doesn’t have enough sleep energy banked to even care to change their behavior. They manage enough guilt about it to suck more life out of them (me)
Yes to all this
"When their Fe & Ti *are* working together."
Sheez...
Otherwise known as an INFJ
This video verifies how alpha my husband is LOL
Tai Lopez = istp because he's in his garage?
Probably enfp actually
Are you going to do?:
ENTJ Alpha
ENTP Alpha
ENFP Alpha
ESTP Alpha
ESFP Alpha
INTJ Alpha
INFJ Alpha
INTP Alpha
INFP Alpha
ISTP Alpha
ISFP Alpha
ISTJ Alpha
ISFJ Alpha
The type everyone likes to shit on.
Wonder why
Good luck finding ESFJ with developed Ti XD
Maybe in another life dave
Well we truly exist so Hi 😁
Alot of us (Esfjs) go through this silently in our lives and it really like going to hell and coming back just for self- discovery and with alot of lessons learned .