What did the "unofficial" witnesses of the Book of Mormon plates experience? Ep. 99

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  • @mikeschmit7125
    @mikeschmit7125 3 роки тому +66

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    • @leem3299
      @leem3299 3 роки тому +8

      I'm glad you've been able to see both sides. I grew up in the church, so the only side I saw of atheists was rediculous. I think I'm seeing a more balanced view as well now.
      My experience in the church hasn't been great, but any church is going to have all kinds.
      Seeing both sides, and doing what you think is best for you is commendable. And this is my favorite church friendly channel. I like it a lot.

    • @brettmajeske3525
      @brettmajeske3525 3 роки тому +7

      Welcome Mike!

    • @davidsnell2605
      @davidsnell2605 3 роки тому +5

      Welcome! Thanks for watching and I wish you all the best on your spiritual journey.

    • @rickyn.1567
      @rickyn.1567 3 роки тому +7

      I grew up in the Church, then fell away and became more agnostic. I was never against the Church or anything, I just didn’t really believe it. I started coming back when I was 22 because friends nagged me to. I’m almost 26 now, and while I don’t regret my life because of everything I learned, I also wish I had God’s blessings through my entire life.
      Remember to pray about these important experiences and how you should proceed. It’s a special connection between you and God.

    • @terryv3780
      @terryv3780 2 роки тому

      Welcome! I wish you all the best in our spiritual journey :). I am glad that you have kept a thirst to understand more! Best of wishes to you.

  • @Dcliddellparanormal
    @Dcliddellparanormal 3 роки тому +20

    “Is there any proof”
    “Yes, we have eye witnesses of the Book of Mormon origins and we have found similar books”
    “You can’t trust eye witnesses”
    “People also tried to steal it, if it’s not real why would people try to steal them?”
    “You can’t trust everything”
    “So why would I trust you?”
    Is an actual conversation I had.

    • @seans5289
      @seans5289 3 роки тому

      Can you elaborate on these “similar books?” Do you mean something like the Kinderhook plates?

    • @leem3299
      @leem3299 3 роки тому

      If I'm recalling correctly, the ones intent on stealing them were old treasure seeking buddies who were mad that Joseph was not sharing the treasure. And weren't most of the witnesses treasure seekers as well? This was from Rough Stone Rolling from Richard Bushman. Hopefully I'm not remembering wrong. But alas, does that make the plates more or less believable? Growing up I only heard the faith promoting versions of things and so I pretty much had to believe.
      But now I see that honest people can believe either way.

  • @Herosoulstone
    @Herosoulstone 3 роки тому +7

    I love this channel, and thankyou David, Love you all and I hope your all having a good day:)

  • @timneji
    @timneji 3 роки тому +16

    Just here to tell you that i love you all :)

  • @joshuajaydan
    @joshuajaydan 3 роки тому +4

    The Olan jump cut made me laugh out loud. Nice work.

  • @tawnyarasmussen1965
    @tawnyarasmussen1965 Рік тому

    Thank you for these videos. I have been binge watching them.

  • @rogerchambers9575
    @rogerchambers9575 3 роки тому +2

    She did not state that the man was Moroni. She stated that he was a nephite. Her grandson stated that the man was Moroni. You can read about this event in the Joseph Smith papers.

  • @PapaKryptoss
    @PapaKryptoss 3 роки тому +5

    Man it would be cool if they would have had cameras back in that day.

    • @Herosoulstone
      @Herosoulstone 3 роки тому +3

      The cool part is that you don't have to look back then, president Nelson said we could have these same experiences.

    • @Herosoulstone
      @Herosoulstone 3 роки тому +5

      And many are, but it's sacred.

  • @1900intz
    @1900intz 3 роки тому +2

    Informative. Thx.

  • @Swede-js9jq
    @Swede-js9jq 2 місяці тому

    In his book, John Doyle Lee talks about an unofficial witness to the plates.

  • @mariodezert
    @mariodezert 3 місяці тому

    GOT A SUGGESTION: a videa about the MYTH built aound that ELLIE WHITE was a former secretary do Joseph Smith and later founder the Adventists. Why so?

  • @Hamann9631
    @Hamann9631 3 роки тому +4

    Great video. I know The Book of Mormon is true because of The Holy Ghost but there is also evidence. The Holy Ghost isn't telling me things contrary to evidence. Those who are claiming it is false have some explaining to do. We have no explaining to do.

    • @seans5289
      @seans5289 3 роки тому +1

      How have you concluded that the Holy Ghost is anything other than your own thoughts and feelings?

    • @Hamann9631
      @Hamann9631 3 роки тому

      @@seans5289 It is from outside of me.

    • @seans5289
      @seans5289 3 роки тому

      @@Hamann9631: As in, you hear an audible voice?

    • @Hamann9631
      @Hamann9631 3 роки тому

      @@seans5289 Sometimes it is a feeling. Sometimes it is an idea coming to mind. I can't think of a time I heard an audible voice.

    • @leem3299
      @leem3299 3 роки тому +1

      If you're asking for explanation I'm sure there will be many happy to sway you one way or the other. But it sounds like your mind is made up for now, so best wishes for you. Thanks for sharing your testimony.

  • @kenhilker2507
    @kenhilker2507 3 роки тому

    Your Hypothesis: The existence of a stack of metal plates could prove Joseph Smith's account was correct.
    My Hypothesis: The existence of a stack of metal plates could prove that Joseph Smith made the himself.
    Does anything from the official or unofficial witness descriptions of the plates help us determine which hypothesis is closer to the truth?

  • @DynamicGracer
    @DynamicGracer 3 роки тому +5

    For what it's worth, I have seen the Golden Plates and still deny the church

    • @leem3299
      @leem3299 3 роки тому

      Ok I'll bite. What are you talking about?

    • @DynamicGracer
      @DynamicGracer 3 роки тому +2

      ​@@leem3299 I have signs, wonders, visions, dreams, miracles and feelings that surpass all understanding, all in favor of the church from my 1,700 hours of prayer... and I still deny the church in favor of Jesus Christ. If I saw the plates myself, but didn't have my testimony, my testimony would be weaker. This basically means I have "seen the plates", since I literally have a testimony that is stronger than the golden plates alone. In other words, I have more supernatural evidence of Joseph and the church than Martin Harris did (facts)
      Seeing the plates is akin to having an absurdly strong testimony of the church in a supernatural way. Saying "I have seen the golden plates" is like saying, "I have a supernatural testimony of Joseph."
      According to church history, a lot of people saw the plates and left later anyways, but never denied seeing the golden plates. What this means to a Mormon is that the golden plates must of been for real, but what this means to an anti-mormon is that Joseph Smith was SO wicked that one can see the plates and still deny him.
      The problem with my testimony is that the demons can mimic every supernatural experience I had. The problem with the Golden Plates is that they can exist and be demonic. Sure, South Park was wrong (not a con)... but Galatians 1:8 wasn't.

    • @leem3299
      @leem3299 3 роки тому

      @@DynamicGracer Wow, at first I thought you were exaggerating for effect, but sounds like you have had some interesting experiences. The only thing in that direction I've experienced is when I was young, one day I heard my name, plain as day. But no one was around. It wasn't sarry but was strange. I listened for more message but that's all the voice said.
      So when you say "in favor of Christ" what do you mean?

    • @DynamicGracer
      @DynamicGracer 3 роки тому +1

      @@leem3299 In favor of the Jesus Christ of Christianity
      The God of Mormonism is some dude playing a dude disguised as another dude from a parallel universe who sinned and was redeemed by a sinless savior, and was a Mormon who had a hot wife. That wife is our Heavenly Mother.
      Another way to explain it is like this
      Christians believe in Santa Clause, and Mormons believe in the Easter Bunny as well. I was down to believe in the Easter Bunny, and even many of his Rabbit Holes were okay as well. I went along with the Hare-I-sees for years, but then the Bunny Rabbit said "We believe in a different Santa Clause. His name is Kris Kringle."
      I had to dismiss the Bunny Rabbit and the Book of Mormon at that point, for I believe in a different cosmic Santa Clause.
      There are people smarter than me that believe that God was a man who became God, but if you start with Christianity and try to add on the Book of Mormon story, it won't make sense.
      The God and Jesus Christ that Joseph Smith worships is not the God and Jesus Christ that I believe in.

    • @leem3299
      @leem3299 3 роки тому +2

      @@DynamicGracer I caught some of that, but what is the God and Jesus you believe in? Christianity is kind of a broad spectrum, God can be anywhere from stern and violent to merciful.

  • @strongtower9237
    @strongtower9237 3 роки тому +1

    There is none who seeks after God.

  • @brazenbunnies
    @brazenbunnies 3 роки тому +1

    I am a Mormon...and a Mormom just believes!

  • @exbrotherbryce5029
    @exbrotherbryce5029 3 роки тому +5

    Most the witnesses said they saw the plates only with their spiritual eyes...

    • @timneji
      @timneji 3 роки тому +4

      But some saw them with there eyes

    • @brettmajeske3525
      @brettmajeske3525 3 роки тому +8

      Where are you getting that from. Having read as much of the original accounts as I can find, that just isn't true at all. I only know of a single witness who used that specific phraseology. If you are going to make a claim like that, you need to better explain that position.

    • @randonymous2793
      @randonymous2793 3 роки тому +3

      “Spiritual eyes” or not, that’s a good amount of people who saw it.

    • @Hamann9631
      @Hamann9631 3 роки тому +1

      Ex Brother Bryce. We only have 1 non-believer claiming that. It is a lie. I hope you repent before Final Judgement.

    • @Hamann9631
      @Hamann9631 3 роки тому +2

      @Ralph Wigguhm Brett Majeske doesn't need to read more. You do. They said they saw the plates with their own eyes!