Oh I am, trust me. Disappointment is an understatement when it comes to this cash grab. Sad to see what I thought was a great honest gaming company kinda sell out like this.
Yeah, all those skill trees and progression system, abilities customizations and all? Down the drain, basically false advertisement and a scam since thousands of people got the game and waited years _precisely_ because of the promised and showcased story mode.
When i hear PVE I think of COD Maybe you are thinking of RPG but overwatch 2 was NEVER going to be an RPG so idk why people are constantly comparing it to destiny and shit when they never said a single thing to make them comparable All anyone should have ever expected from PVE is for it to be like the missions already in OW but bigger and deeper and that’s what it is
@@p0k3mn1 You literally didn't watch any of the trailers they made, when they announced Overwatch 2 they specifically mentioned and showcased RPG mechanics like the Borderlands series has. Why are you even commenting when clearly you've only learned about this controversy through word of mouth and haven't actually done any research yourself?
Story Missions may end up being glorified Archives missions locked behind the BP and Starwatch was unbalanced hybrid trash. Release the Blizzcon demo and let players get a feel for what their PvE plans are in future seasons.
i realize theres one point in starwatch where if empire is good, you CANT PROGRESS AT ALL as watcher that is point 3. bottleneck and at the end of it you got bombarded by turrets. not to mention empire could HEAL THOSE TURRETS
@@PyroManiacOW jokes on you still believing them after they lie for 4 years (2 years, since the last two is they lie about treating their workers well)
@@watchpointoh3354 I'll admit I was upset for a moment and then I realized it's really just this skill tree system that is really being removed (which I was always against anyway since it defeats the purpose of certain heroes).
@@allencunningham9002 stop riding this much holy shit. playing Mei with the same 3 old abilities is a much more dumbed-down version of whatever was shown in the trailers.
@@watchpointoh3354 people WERE asking for skill trees because blizzard promised it. and to do that they didn' release any content since echo. You blizzard riders are pathetic.
I don't get why they scrapped talents completely. Their reasoning was that they have to make like 50 talents for one hero alone but like... They don't need to do that??? Just give each ability like 3 different upgrades to choose from. That's 9,maybe 12 talents per hero and it'd inject a ton of variety with the different combinations for each hero and wouldn't take a huge amount of work. They already said they have some talents made anyway.
The nastiest they could've done is not mentioning they had already cancelled PvE before ow2 even launched until now cause they were afraid people wouldnt open their wallets to them
@@svenornitier yeah they could literally just do the ones that are included in the story missions. Add like 4-8 (im assuming they're only doing 1 mission per season, but maybe it'll be more) a season or something until they eventually get to the point that they can just round out the roster.
Personally....I just want lore...I'm playing these heros for years and only know what they look like, name, personality type...I wanna know about their pasts and interactions with eachother... I wanted the pve to expand on the voice line lore
I don’t understand how an IP with such a rich universe like Overwatch hasn’t been adapted into animated movie or series. It seems like all the stories and characters are there for it
Yes! Same! A show, movie, or new comics would be great! There's so much going on in this world and it's lore is so vast! Love all these great characters. Can't believe they're mishandling this so much! 😅😔
At the very least we know they are getting new lore. So we will get a cinematic next season and then an actual pve mission that is canon to Overwatch in the next one.
Well you are lucky cause they are still keeping the lore just loosing the big pve missions. Its going to be more advanced archive missions from what it sounded like.
They should re-enable those PVE story missions like the battle of King’s Row and the Blackwatch one and make them grindable all the time, u get a score or smth and those with higher scores could get some loot like limited skins and voice lines.
maaaaaaybe because public opinion on them are lowest point now. they just gonna add anything but PVE to get their trust (also stock numbers value) back
It's not really misinformation. The overall CORE of the pve has been scrapped. They literally stated what they advertised and what form of pve is scrapped. We've already received partial pve from past events (uprising, retribution, storm rising) and it will just be a continuation of that, I think. But, people wanted what they advertised. Not the cookie cutter modes that last a few minutes, and given how they've been acting recently with their lack of communication, it could be good or it could be bad. But no one is holding their breath on it. :/
“PVE” stands for “player vs enemies/environment” It’s been used for a while outside of RPGs… I’ll be honest, I’m not entirely sure you knew what it meant.
Real talk; the people defending the devs and community managers are too nice. They've known for a YEAR AND A HALF and bold faced lied to us. No sir. They deserve the hate too, not just Big Corpa Activision.
you have to remember that they probably were under an NDA of some kind. even if they weren’t, i’m sure that leaking that info would have gotten them fired. it isn’t their fault, you can’t risk food on the table.
I have never heard of PvE being defined by needing a campaign before. If that was the case, all the times something has advertised as including a PvE campaign would just be redundant. After all, wouldn’t it be easier as just saying the game has PvE instead? Also, I don’t know about others, but everyone I know has always called the Zombies mode in Call of Duty PvE, so CoD does have PvE as well.
You're right; the PvE changes are pretty upsetting but this short proposes the most retarded possible take I have ever seen. This guy is obviously trying to jump on the fuck overwatch train without any idea of why people are upset about it.
PVE is used to describe a player vs AI mode in a game that also has player vs player. You’re getting way into the weeds with this. PVE doesn’t always imply an RPG
@@purplewine7362 def not defending blizzard here. Not even a bit. But it’s just a weird hill that OP is planting his flag on. He can blast blizzard without making an argument about semantics
@@hallerrr the one making it about semantics are the ones who say that "technically PvE is still coming", and blizzard doesn't deserve that. Unless the new missions are 10 times better than sombra junkenstein, PvE is as good as cancelled.
@@purplewine7362 I mean if your a game designer calling this a pve mode is still technically correct, the definition of pve has nothing to do with rpg elements or progression left for dead is described as pve game and has no progression iIve never head this gate keeping argument before "it's not pve " with any other game, There are better ways to critique blizzard and the game than dying on the hill of your personal interpretation of pve.
I'd say they're both PVE because it's fighting AI, not players. Street Fighter is PVP. Things like Single-player shooters like Doom or any open world games are PVE. Dark Souls is PVE with optional PVP elements.
@@RacingSnails64dark soul becomes forced pvp the moment you actually want to play with a friend. Honestly if there is a decent souls like that you can play without pvp, I would love to know.
@@HazardThe2st hollow knight is not a souls-like. It has the souls-like "souls retrieved" mechanic but one mechanic doesn't make a genre. Same way sticking permadeath in an adventure game doesn't make it a roguelike
By this point I'm not asking for a PVE, I am asking for a breathing game. The only change that has actually changed things in 4 years, is the buff to the waiting queues...
They Never really promised shit because they never showed any actual information on it The reason y’all are upset was because you had high expectations when they never actually showed you anything to build up expectations
@@p0k3mn1There was literally a video that showed enemy interactions and the hero mastery skill tree abilities what are you waffling about. Our expectations were high because what they showed us was absolutely wild looking
It’s not that they want to play it. They’re still pissed because they accepted that blizzard “put their money on overwatch 2 pve” but instead they left their game to dust. Both overwatch and overwatch 2
Anything that isn't vs another player is pve and still I was looking forward for what they envisioned the skill trees is what sold me and they really said let's just disappoint everyone
PvE was abandoned because Jeff promised before he left that story missions and PvE would be in over watch 2. When in reality overwatch have kept the story missions and abandoned the PvE which was meant to be like zombies in cod but with a archive missions type style. (And star watch being PvE is them waffling bs)
The issue has always been that they promised certain game elements would be in the game, and they knew for over a year that they had no intention of actually delivering on those promises. And even worse, they kept it quiet so people like me would come back and spend money on skins because we believed that they would eventually deliver what they promised. We were used for a quick payday.
*What people were hoping for:* A nice, long campaign that had some more animated shorts. *What blizzard promised:* an extensive 4-player “AAA campaign” that included a skill tree. *What we are getting:* Some junkerstein-style PvE missions. More than likely. Ig we won’t know until we see it since we can only take blizzards words for a grain of salt.
PVE is still in the game, but that's not what we were looking forward to. We were looking forward to all the features they promised and showcased to us; the skill tree, the lootable items in the game, the new enemies, the enemy interaction, the continued story, the variations of cutscenes (anyone remember that?). That was what we wanted. It was known as PVE, which is an understatement, it would've been huge to see all of this in the game, but now we don't get any of it. They over promised and underdelivered
That enemy they showcased where it begins to reel you in and if you don't kill it before it does it stabs you with its hair blade things looked so cool and it was probably the thing I was most excited for, the uniqueness of the new enemies. I'll give them props if they keep that with the seasoned released missions, but I'm pretty much done with Overwatch for now and possibly ever
Bruh, PvE is you, the player, and/or a team, the players, fighting or playing against NPCs that are trying to kill you or get to an objective. Sure, you can have players on the other team, but the players on the NPC side should not ever be more or equal than the players on the players side. Arguing against what PvE is, and giving all these technicalities only boosts its ambiguity and continues to allow game developers to literally take advantage of the player base on the type of games the players are purchasing. “Technically” nothing, everyone knows what we are talking about when we say we want PvE, not the training area in Overwatch 2.
PVE to me, a young but relatively seasoned gamer, is a player fighting against the Computer enemies; the Environment. The empathy lies solely on fighting bots, usually with a story to experience and objectives like defending a part of the environment or destroying it. Be it alongside other players or solo, but not against them(pvp). What some games call pve is straight up cap 🧢
I mean all the games you mentioned are pve or pvp. Pve exist and many different forms. Survival pve, campaign pve, just most games dont use those labels outside of mmorpg just like a lot of games dont always straight up label they're modes or games as pvp. I consider anything that involves the player fighting against anything but human player's as a form of pve.
@Something Diabolical Not all PvE is a campaign, but all campaigns are PvE. Like, they're three options: Either you're playing against another player (PvP), playing against the computer/design of the game (PvE), or you're doing both (PvPvE). Campaigns fall under PvE, as does Super Mario Bros and any single-player game. Elden Ring is a good example of all three being together. You can play the game solo/offline to do PvE, play online co-op/use a taunter's tongue to get invasions for PvPvE, or go to the Arena for just PvP.
So many blizzard shills and bootlickers in the comments. And so many people thinking freedo is defending overwatch. Are all of you dumb? He's calling them out. He's explaining how we aren't getting the pve we were promised. How is that defending?
I love this point of view, but you have to understand we were over promised a whole lot of content and underdelivered on said content. The problem isn't that we aren't getting a pve at all it's that blizzard promised us a fully fledged out game mode within a time set by their own standards and resources. They didn't deliver on their promise, so where is the trust? 4 years of waiting just to give us a pile of nothing? We didn't even get an unreleased version, then they could've branched out patch by patch and give us more skill trees. Now we have a watered-down version of something we were promised and still waited 4 years for it? They sunk time and resources into this project, and if anything, they'll lose more money abandoning it than finishing it. Big investment big profit. But an absolute failure of promising a product and not releasing it. It's like promising a kid to give him a big birthday cake, and on his birthday, he gets a lollipop, just he'll get something and shut up. Absolute scummy corporate greed from blizzard.
PvE needs to be used in context. Anyone that's been PC gaming since the 2000s knows that PvE does not equal a Campaign mode. The overwatch 2 promise was an entire PvE game, not a tacked on campaign mode. Not a big fan of redefining established terms. There is nothing wrong, ofc, with not knowing the history of the phrase. I also think the messaging of the Overwatch team has been using PvE deceptively/incorrectly with regards to integrating steady story missions onto Seasonal Content.
....Yes? Yes. PvE content is PvE content, including the training range or any story campaigns. PvE isn't a distinction for side content, it's just a term specifying the primary source of conflict in a video game, or a portion thereof.
got to the middle of the short for me to realise the uploader was just saying "PvE is not PvP" like yeah, no shit - i don't think anyone was denying this lol
PvE, is any game mode/game that classifies against going AI, or the game itself. Although the basis of the trainging ground is to test and a milestone tool, it is built with PvE in mind. Games are classified using PvE/pvp a "PvE, looter shooter" and a "Pvp, Looter Shooter" contain entirely different basis. It depends on the game mode and the main focus of the game.
If you're so precious about your terms and whatnot why not call it hero missions then? Which was the oficial name. Nah u just wanted views like half of the content creators...
Lol Idk why yall say this like it's a bad thing. Yes, he wants the content he recorded and put on the internet to be VIEWED and TALKED ABOUT. Just like you commented because you want your opinion to be seen and read. What a stupid criticism
@@Sutidamuskun This lingo has been around for years. It's like the "peeling" discussion. People that don't know what "peeling" is are also the most likely to not peel. Learning words for established concepts is met with so much vitriol, the argument against it is "it sounds stupid". But it's inarguably effective, functional, etc.
Based on what we've seen I think it's safe to assume the Overwatch campaign will be more like COD Zombies than anything, which is pretty agreeably PvE. And besides, who cares about the distinction on whether it's campaign or PvE? The reason people are reminding everyone that it's not cancelled is because it isn't, and there's still some modicum of hope left.
PvE in FPS are like co-op (Spec Ops in Cod's case) missions in Cod, which isn't a campaign, but a team-based game mode where you fight enemies that are not controlled by enemy players.
I like how ive been waiting 5 years for legitimate pve mode instead of treating vs ai mode as a discount pve mode for years excluding the seasonal pve mode events lol.
@@wetstinkysocks2950 i mean you said "instead of treating vs ai mode as a discount pve" like it was always vs ai before just with rpg talents, so it was always going to be discount pve and i don't know how you been waiting for this specific talent mode since 2018 (5 years ago)
pve is often confused for standing for player vs everyone/everything. pve stands for player vs entity/environment and is also known as pvm or player vs monster. the mistake is so prevalent the wow fandom page has a note correcting the mis-use of the term.
Warframe's pvp is non existent and busted. Don't play destiny so I can't say anything there but Pvp in warframe is dead and solar rails cancelled. At least it has great gameplay to make up for the fact though.
I don't get why people have gone into FULL damage control and saying "they didn't cancel PvE smh 🙄" when you know damn well what people mean with that. And it's STILL true. They DID cancel PvE, full stop.
I think what mostly constitutes “PVE” for Overwatch was the campaign mode that a lot were looking forward to and it wasn’t just for a mode away from Multiplayer, but more for those who got interested in Overwatch’s lore and character and hoped to have gotten more insight about their favorites characters added throughout the game. Unfortunately we will never get that now, and the mini story missions through events don’t count as the TRUE PVE experience everyone really wanted.
No. You’re wrong in this scenario. If I wanted to play an RPG I would have picked up an rpg game to play. Sure it has its elements of pve but it’s either MMO or rogue like. The difference here is a game that features all likeable characters rather than one I make and it goes with their kit to be expanding the creativity of weaponry to take down an enemy. Evolving is the key to pve. RPG is not the evolve stage it’s the after phase of the game and what it stood for
A campaign is a PVE that’s what it’s always meant idk why anyone got the idea it meant something else They never said OW2 was going to be like destiny or anything like that
Well now a days it's a subdivision of the general gameplay like rougelikes are rougelikes and shooters are shooters. As we use words more and more we find new meanings for those works that work more comfortably in the context.
As a gamer I can confirm that the practice range is pve
(´ ∀ ` *)haha training bots goes boom
100%
As i gamer i am happy to say i am your 69th like
@Drago as a gamer I love you UWU
You even get the heroes behind the paywall lol
"Does Call of Duty have a PvE gamemode?" mans forgot about zombies
Nah bro, that’s PvZ
@@calculated-_-9464 true, plants vs zombies is a good example 👌
@@Kirbitz Funny enough one of the few things pvz BFN did right before dying was making a fantastic PvE mode lol
@@hallowedchromee310 true
Hes also forgot about Spec-Ops, but i can forgive that since its less known about
I mean call of duty zombies is MOST DEFINITELY a PvE mode
true, but most people look at CoD on a surface level and probably do not even know zombies mode exists
@@Underworlder5 true that I am no longer in the cod gaming. But up until Black Ops 4, zombies was on the trailers. It was a marketed PvE mode
So is survival mode and extinction.
Dont forget specops
I think he was referring to the campaigns
Overwatch 2 was a moneization patch disguised as a sequal and the OW community (or whats left of it) should be PISSED at Blizzard.
Pretty sure the entire community is pissed atm
Preetty sure everyone hate how Overwatch turned out.
Oh I am, trust me. Disappointment is an understatement when it comes to this cash grab. Sad to see what I thought was a great honest gaming company kinda sell out like this.
“Or what’s left of it” lol you people are delusional. The playerbase is booming right now.
It's not even an engine upgrade.
the archives event is technically classified as PVE but you know that's not the PVE that they were advertising
@@DontBurnTheAmericanFlag we are getting that are we not?
@@DontBurnTheAmericanFlag we are getting that, originally we were getting a full co-op game
Yeah, all those skill trees and progression system, abilities customizations and all? Down the drain, basically false advertisement and a scam since thousands of people got the game and waited years _precisely_ because of the promised and showcased story mode.
I always think of Destiny when I hear PvE. That’s what a PvE game is to me.
*warframe players crying in the background*
Outrider too
Borderlands, L4D, Vermintide, WorldWarZ, Genshin xD
When i hear PVE I think of COD
Maybe you are thinking of RPG but overwatch 2 was NEVER going to be an RPG so idk why people are constantly comparing it to destiny and shit when they never said a single thing to make them comparable
All anyone should have ever expected from PVE is for it to be like the missions already in OW but bigger and deeper and that’s what it is
@@p0k3mn1 You literally didn't watch any of the trailers they made, when they announced Overwatch 2 they specifically mentioned and showcased RPG mechanics like the Borderlands series has. Why are you even commenting when clearly you've only learned about this controversy through word of mouth and haven't actually done any research yourself?
Story Missions may end up being glorified Archives missions locked behind the BP and Starwatch was unbalanced hybrid trash.
Release the Blizzcon demo and let players get a feel for what their PvE plans are in future seasons.
well these plans they had at blizzcon were cancelled, so this wouldn't allow you to feel their "PvE plans in future seasons"
i realize theres one point in starwatch where if empire is good, you CANT PROGRESS AT ALL as watcher
that is point 3. bottleneck and at the end of it you got bombarded by turrets. not to mention empire could HEAL THOSE TURRETS
@@PyroManiacOW jokes on you still believing them after they lie for 4 years (2 years, since the last two is they lie about treating their workers well)
That’s exactly what they fucking told us we would get from the start that’s what PVE is where did anyone get the idea for anything else
If they lock pve behind the battlepass this game is fuckin doomed
All we wanted was lore/campaign. It wasnt until they revealed the hero skill tree that it became an expectation.
Funny how we're still getting what we originally were asking for and now people are upset about that.
@@watchpointoh3354 I'll admit I was upset for a moment and then I realized it's really just this skill tree system that is really being removed (which I was always against anyway since it defeats the purpose of certain heroes).
@@allencunningham9002 stop riding this much holy shit. playing Mei with the same 3 old abilities is a much more dumbed-down version of whatever was shown in the trailers.
@@watchpointoh3354 people WERE asking for skill trees because blizzard promised it. and to do that they didn' release any content since echo. You blizzard riders are pathetic.
@Watchpoint OH So we're basically getting what we always had, a seasonal campaign which can be played in events only
people on here defending $15 for 3 archive missions is crazy
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Certified “☝️🤓” moment
My guy is out here with Bobby fully stroking in his throat. Oml. 😂
Lol gotta make that money somehow
I don't get why they scrapped talents completely. Their reasoning was that they have to make like 50 talents for one hero alone but like... They don't need to do that??? Just give each ability like 3 different upgrades to choose from. That's 9,maybe 12 talents per hero and it'd inject a ton of variety with the different combinations for each hero and wouldn't take a huge amount of work. They already said they have some talents made anyway.
honestly I can’t believe that they couldn’t do that shit in 3 years time
The nastiest they could've done is not mentioning they had already cancelled PvE before ow2 even launched until now cause they were afraid people wouldnt open their wallets to them
They could of just copied paladins
Or, just start with a few heroes. Like only do 8... Or something.
The others will be added along the way.
@@svenornitier yeah they could literally just do the ones that are included in the story missions. Add like 4-8 (im assuming they're only doing 1 mission per season, but maybe it'll be more) a season or something until they eventually get to the point that they can just round out the roster.
Personally....I just want lore...I'm playing these heros for years and only know what they look like, name, personality type...I wanna know about their pasts and interactions with eachother...
I wanted the pve to expand on the voice line lore
I don’t understand how an IP with such a rich universe like Overwatch hasn’t been adapted into animated movie or series. It seems like all the stories and characters are there for it
Yes! Same! A show, movie, or new comics would be great! There's so much going on in this world and it's lore is so vast! Love all these great characters. Can't believe they're mishandling this so much! 😅😔
At the very least we know they are getting new lore. So we will get a cinematic next season and then an actual pve mission that is canon to Overwatch in the next one.
@@oscarortiz1529 look how long league of legends took to do it with arcane anime but yeah i know what you mean
Well you are lucky cause they are still keeping the lore just loosing the big pve missions. Its going to be more advanced archive missions from what it sounded like.
They should re-enable those PVE story missions like the battle of King’s Row and the Blackwatch one and make them grindable all the time, u get a score or smth and those with higher scores could get some loot like limited skins and voice lines.
Something that is never coming back
Absolute copium overdose
@@christopherdowns4270 They said SHOULD, not will.
maaaaaaybe because public opinion on them are lowest point now. they just gonna add anything but PVE to get their trust (also stock numbers value) back
@@wubzt3r Calm down kiddo, just stating my opinion.
Bro forgot about everything else they promised 💀
You didn't pick up the satire
He’s arguing against the Blizzard shills who are saying ‘but its still pve’, of course he knows about everything else…
Campaign is a sub genre of PvE
Saying there's no more PvE is the real misinformation though
Fr, like there’s still gonna be pve but just not the way we thought we were getting it. Like we aren’t getting hero talents and skill trees etc
It's not really misinformation. The overall CORE of the pve has been scrapped. They literally stated what they advertised and what form of pve is scrapped. We've already received partial pve from past events (uprising, retribution, storm rising) and it will just be a continuation of that, I think. But, people wanted what they advertised. Not the cookie cutter modes that last a few minutes, and given how they've been acting recently with their lack of communication, it could be good or it could be bad. But no one is holding their breath on it. :/
“PVE” stands for “player vs enemies/environment”
It’s been used for a while outside of RPGs… I’ll be honest, I’m not entirely sure you knew what it meant.
But Blizzard is a small indie company, they dont have the manpower to make a campaign 💀💀💀
Who the hell would say that
I cant tell if this is mocking people defending blizzard or if this is serious
my semen is acidic but one time in band camp I managed to make ¥30,000 from reading a fairy tale.
Real talk; the people defending the devs and community managers are too nice. They've known for a YEAR AND A HALF and bold faced lied to us. No sir. They deserve the hate too, not just Big Corpa Activision.
you have to remember that they probably were under an NDA of some kind. even if they weren’t, i’m sure that leaking that info would have gotten them fired. it isn’t their fault, you can’t risk food on the table.
@@defaultdan7923 why would they be under NDA for their own game development. And why would it end now?
b b b b b b b ut guys the devs are never to blame ;(
@@ExValeFor LOL, exactly
@@ThyBigCheddar because they don't OWN the game?? How do u not understand how employment works?
I have never heard of PvE being defined by needing a campaign before. If that was the case, all the times something has advertised as including a PvE campaign would just be redundant. After all, wouldn’t it be easier as just saying the game has PvE instead?
Also, I don’t know about others, but everyone I know has always called the Zombies mode in Call of Duty PvE, so CoD does have PvE as well.
Campaign describes a story-driven experience with different story missions, to differentiate from gamemodes like a horde mode, but both are PvE
You're right; the PvE changes are pretty upsetting but this short proposes the most retarded possible take I have ever seen. This guy is obviously trying to jump on the fuck overwatch train without any idea of why people are upset about it.
PVE is used to describe a player vs AI mode in a game that also has player vs player. You’re getting way into the weeds with this. PVE doesn’t always imply an RPG
well then we've already had PvE since 2016 since the first Junkenstein came out. Pack it up boys, blizzard broke no promises.
@@purplewine7362 def not defending blizzard here. Not even a bit. But it’s just a weird hill that OP is planting his flag on. He can blast blizzard without making an argument about semantics
@@hallerrr the one making it about semantics are the ones who say that "technically PvE is still coming", and blizzard doesn't deserve that. Unless the new missions are 10 times better than sombra junkenstein, PvE is as good as cancelled.
@@purplewine7362 I mean yeah I guess it goes both ways. Let’s just say “blizzard lied” and be pissed off together.
@@purplewine7362 I mean if your a game designer calling this a pve mode is still technically correct, the definition of pve has nothing to do with rpg elements or progression
left for dead is described as pve game and has no progression
iIve never head this gate keeping argument before "it's not pve " with any other game,
There are better ways to critique blizzard and the game than dying on the hill of your personal interpretation of pve.
take destiny as a reference :
-there is normal pvp (the Crucible)
-a campaign (story missions)
- pve (strikes , raids etc.)
COD has a PvE mode. The zombies mode. And that's fundamentally different then a campaign. If only Blizzard knew this difference.
I'd say they're both PVE because it's fighting AI, not players.
Street Fighter is PVP. Things like Single-player shooters like Doom or any open world games are PVE. Dark Souls is PVE with optional PVP elements.
@@RacingSnails64dark soul becomes forced pvp the moment you actually want to play with a friend. Honestly if there is a decent souls like that you can play without pvp, I would love to know.
true. a campaign has significantly more lore and story than a mere pvp mode. OW2 was supposed to get that.
@@jonathancore4541 hollow knight, very good game, no pvp, and called a souls-like by players
@@HazardThe2st hollow knight is not a souls-like. It has the souls-like "souls retrieved" mechanic but one mechanic doesn't make a genre. Same way sticking permadeath in an adventure game doesn't make it a roguelike
By this point I'm not asking for a PVE, I am asking for a breathing game. The only change that has actually changed things in 4 years, is the buff to the waiting queues...
Still no pve that was promised
They Never really promised shit because they never showed any actual information on it
The reason y’all are upset was because you had high expectations when they never actually showed you anything to build up expectations
@@p0k3mn1 *gawk gawk gawk* i was promised a campaign mode with individual hero skill trees
@@p0k3mn1 they literally promised a pve "WITH A FULL GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE OF IT" i feel sorry that you're suffering from stupidity
@@p0k3mn1There was literally a video that showed enemy interactions and the hero mastery skill tree abilities what are you waffling about. Our expectations were high because what they showed us was absolutely wild looking
@@p0k3mn1Lol, really? Might wanna do some research next time.
Whole lotta people who NEVER INTENDED to play the PvE pretending to be pissed right now.
It’s not that they want to play it. They’re still pissed because they accepted that blizzard “put their money on overwatch 2 pve” but instead they left their game to dust. Both overwatch and overwatch 2
PvP will still be affected by this as people are going to quit.
Anything that isn't vs another player is pve and still I was looking forward for what they envisioned the skill trees is what sold me and they really said let's just disappoint everyone
Player Versus Environment or Player Versus Enemy
Dude be mad af
PvE was abandoned because Jeff promised before he left that story missions and PvE would be in over watch 2. When in reality overwatch have kept the story missions and abandoned the PvE which was meant to be like zombies in cod but with a archive missions type style. (And star watch being PvE is them waffling bs)
I pointed this out to a friend, name one pve game that doesn't have skills trees or intractable gear
I think of Mann vs Machine when I think of PVE
You know, that TF2 game mode you ripped off
Frido having NONE of it this week and I'm here for it
SOMEONE has to give it to us straight. And I'm glad it's Frido
As a gamer I can say that overwatch doesn’t have a story mode
The issue has always been that they promised certain game elements would be in the game, and they knew for over a year that they had no intention of actually delivering on those promises. And even worse, they kept it quiet so people like me would come back and spend money on skins because we believed that they would eventually deliver what they promised. We were used for a quick payday.
Lmfao we need more shorts like this from you, still cracks me up to this day
I mean call of duty does have zombies sometimes
90% of the time
*What people were hoping for:*
A nice, long campaign that had some more animated shorts.
*What blizzard promised:*
an extensive 4-player “AAA campaign” that included a skill tree.
*What we are getting:*
Some junkerstein-style PvE missions. More than likely. Ig we won’t know until we see it since we can only take blizzards words for a grain of salt.
PVE is still in the game, but that's not what we were looking forward to. We were looking forward to all the features they promised and showcased to us; the skill tree, the lootable items in the game, the new enemies, the enemy interaction, the continued story, the variations of cutscenes (anyone remember that?). That was what we wanted. It was known as PVE, which is an understatement, it would've been huge to see all of this in the game, but now we don't get any of it. They over promised and underdelivered
That enemy they showcased where it begins to reel you in and if you don't kill it before it does it stabs you with its hair blade things looked so cool and it was probably the thing I was most excited for, the uniqueness of the new enemies. I'll give them props if they keep that with the seasoned released missions, but I'm pretty much done with Overwatch for now and possibly ever
pve would be like cod zombies not like an rpg. and rpg would be considered a campaign because you level up while doing missions to unlock abilities
they're keeping the missions not the abilities so I imagine its still pve but no rpg elements, and still a campaign because of the missions
It's actually called PvM mode, player versus monetization. Bobby is the final boss.
Wait why am I the final boss
You know why bob >:(
Bruh, PvE is you, the player, and/or a team, the players, fighting or playing against NPCs that are trying to kill you or get to an objective. Sure, you can have players on the other team, but the players on the NPC side should not ever be more or equal than the players on the players side. Arguing against what PvE is, and giving all these technicalities only boosts its ambiguity and continues to allow game developers to literally take advantage of the player base on the type of games the players are purchasing. “Technically” nothing, everyone knows what we are talking about when we say we want PvE, not the training area in Overwatch 2.
Player vs environment simple as that don’t overthink it
Junkenstein 2016 is also PvE
@@purplewine7362 ok
@@purplewine7362 no one said it wasn't
@@shearman360 so keep riding blizzard on a technicality
@@purplewine7362 you are odd
PVE to me, a young but relatively seasoned gamer, is a player fighting against the Computer enemies; the Environment.
The empathy lies solely on fighting bots, usually with a story to experience and objectives like defending a part of the environment or destroying it.
Be it alongside other players or solo, but not against them(pvp).
What some games call pve is straight up cap 🧢
What do you mean what some gams call pve is cap?
ACTUALLY... There is a PVE Zombies Mode in COD and theres a Campaign (not in the last one tho..)
There's a PvE Warzone now lol
its not about that. its a about a promise they didn't live up to.
I mean all the games you mentioned are pve or pvp. Pve exist and many different forms. Survival pve, campaign pve, just most games dont use those labels outside of mmorpg just like a lot of games dont always straight up label they're modes or games as pvp.
I consider anything that involves the player fighting against anything but human player's as a form of pve.
@Something Diabolical Not all PvE is a campaign, but all campaigns are PvE. Like, they're three options: Either you're playing against another player (PvP), playing against the computer/design of the game (PvE), or you're doing both (PvPvE). Campaigns fall under PvE, as does Super Mario Bros and any single-player game. Elden Ring is a good example of all three being together. You can play the game solo/offline to do PvE, play online co-op/use a taunter's tongue to get invasions for PvPvE, or go to the Arena for just PvP.
What you mean no PVE we have player vs Ai. Blizzard is a small indie company that probably took them 4 years to implement
So many blizzard shills and bootlickers in the comments.
And so many people thinking freedo is defending overwatch. Are all of you dumb? He's calling them out. He's explaining how we aren't getting the pve we were promised. How is that defending?
Depends what call of duty, cause most do have zombies
I always thought PVE stood for Player Versus Entity
it does
Player vs environment typically
average dbd survivor
I thought Player versus Enemy
I thought it stood for "Player Versus Everybody" or "Player Versus Everyone."
Man, who cares if a random said we don't have any? We aren't going to get the fun PvE gamemode anyways
i’m just here to commemorate the first YOW short
ain't me much when he speaks out of both sides of his mouth
I love this point of view, but you have to understand we were over promised a whole lot of content and underdelivered on said content. The problem isn't that we aren't getting a pve at all it's that blizzard promised us a fully fledged out game mode within a time set by their own standards and resources. They didn't deliver on their promise, so where is the trust? 4 years of waiting just to give us a pile of nothing? We didn't even get an unreleased version, then they could've branched out patch by patch and give us more skill trees. Now we have a watered-down version of something we were promised and still waited 4 years for it? They sunk time and resources into this project, and if anything, they'll lose more money abandoning it than finishing it. Big investment big profit. But an absolute failure of promising a product and not releasing it. It's like promising a kid to give him a big birthday cake, and on his birthday, he gets a lollipop, just he'll get something and shut up. Absolute scummy corporate greed from blizzard.
I always use them interchangeably. PVE, story campaign. The same thing.
PvE needs to be used in context. Anyone that's been PC gaming since the 2000s knows that PvE does not equal a Campaign mode. The overwatch 2 promise was an entire PvE game, not a tacked on campaign mode.
Not a big fan of redefining established terms. There is nothing wrong, ofc, with not knowing the history of the phrase. I also think the messaging of the Overwatch team has been using PvE deceptively/incorrectly with regards to integrating steady story missions onto Seasonal Content.
Um, yes COD does have PvE it’s called ZOMBIES
....Yes? Yes. PvE content is PvE content, including the training range or any story campaigns. PvE isn't a distinction for side content, it's just a term specifying the primary source of conflict in a video game, or a portion thereof.
The PvE you want, you ain’t gettin’.
The PvE you gettin’, you don’t want it.
My definition of PVE is like player vs AI/NPC. With progression etc.. you guys know what RuneScape is? Kinda like that.
You’re mixing up PVE with PVM.
How can so many words say nothing at all?
Your comment
@@Ddelsol47 ironic
got to the middle of the short for me to realise the uploader was just saying "PvE is not PvP"
like yeah, no shit - i don't think anyone was denying this lol
"Does COD gave a PvE Mode?" Yes actually Zombies and fucking DMZ. Guy needs to get the butthurt out if his system lol.
When i want to play PVE i go play on open queue
I originally thought PVE stood for "player vs everyone" but thanks for clearing it up
Kudos for the expression of salt over this bs
PvE, is any game mode/game that classifies against going AI, or the game itself. Although the basis of the trainging ground is to test and a milestone tool, it is built with PvE in mind. Games are classified using PvE/pvp a "PvE, looter shooter" and a "Pvp, Looter Shooter" contain entirely different basis. It depends on the game mode and the main focus of the game.
If you're so precious about your terms and whatnot why not call it hero missions then? Which was the oficial name. Nah u just wanted views like half of the content creators...
Lol Idk why yall say this like it's a bad thing. Yes, he wants the content he recorded and put on the internet to be VIEWED and TALKED ABOUT. Just like you commented because you want your opinion to be seen and read. What a stupid criticism
@@Sutidamuskun This lingo has been around for years. It's like the "peeling" discussion. People that don't know what "peeling" is are also the most likely to not peel. Learning words for established concepts is met with so much vitriol, the argument against it is "it sounds stupid". But it's inarguably effective, functional, etc.
Based on what we've seen I think it's safe to assume the Overwatch campaign will be more like COD Zombies than anything, which is pretty agreeably PvE. And besides, who cares about the distinction on whether it's campaign or PvE? The reason people are reminding everyone that it's not cancelled is because it isn't, and there's still some modicum of hope left.
It's hilarious watching this channel do a complete 180 from the hardcore shilling, just two days ago
Seriously bro.
PvE in FPS are like co-op (Spec Ops in Cod's case) missions in Cod, which isn't a campaign, but a team-based game mode where you fight enemies that are not controlled by enemy players.
someone tweet this at Avrl
overwatch PVE is when you’re running backwards during a match and hit a wall you didn’t know was there.
I like how ive been waiting 5 years for legitimate pve mode instead of treating vs ai mode as a discount pve mode for years excluding the seasonal pve mode events lol.
i mean it was going to always be vs ai just with talents...
@@lilwintery6434 okay? Lol everyone already knows that so...
@@wetstinkysocks2950 i mean you said "instead of treating vs ai mode as a discount pve"
like it was always vs ai before just with rpg talents, so it was always going to be discount pve
and i don't know how you been waiting for this specific talent mode since 2018 (5 years ago)
@@lilwintery6434 did I even say anything about talent trees?
Why do people think he's defending blizzard 💀 English 100 fr
I saw that lol why ppl think like bots like this 💀
Bro is pissed off 💀💀💀
Well…Call of Duty did mess up zombie mode 🤷🏽
pve is often confused for standing for player vs everyone/everything.
pve stands for player vs entity/environment and is also known as pvm or player vs monster.
the mistake is so prevalent the wow fandom page has a note correcting the mis-use of the term.
I'm here for this level of petty I was mad in the opposite direction from the title 🤣 you're not wrong!
Mfs who say Zombies and Spec ops to the Cod PVE question: 🗿
Destiny and warframe are wonderful examples of balance between pve and pvp
Warframe's pvp is non existent and busted. Don't play destiny so I can't say anything there but Pvp in warframe is dead and solar rails cancelled. At least it has great gameplay to make up for the fact though.
If it has a story that it somewhat focuses on it is a campaign
Such a redditor speech
I don't get why people have gone into FULL damage control and saying "they didn't cancel PvE smh 🙄" when you know damn well what people mean with that. And it's STILL true. They DID cancel PvE, full stop.
Cod zombies:/
I think what mostly constitutes “PVE” for Overwatch was the campaign mode that a lot were looking forward to and it wasn’t just for a mode away from Multiplayer, but more for those who got interested in Overwatch’s lore and character and hoped to have gotten more insight about their favorites characters added throughout the game.
Unfortunately we will never get that now, and the mini story missions through events don’t count as the TRUE PVE experience everyone really wanted.
Bro wtf is this dude even saying
@@MichaelsMad he passed the entire video criticising Blizzard wtf are you talking about
@@MichaelsMad are you dense? He was calling out blizzard in this entire video.
Edit: lmao bro deleted his comment in shame.
New game: Take a shot every time PvE is mentioned"
No. You’re wrong in this scenario. If I wanted to play an RPG I would have picked up an rpg game to play. Sure it has its elements of pve but it’s either MMO or rogue like. The difference here is a game that features all likeable characters rather than one I make and it goes with their kit to be expanding the creativity of weaponry to take down an enemy. Evolving is the key to pve. RPG is not the evolve stage it’s the after phase of the game and what it stood for
The vs A.I mode is basically the PvE💀
I wish ow2 have a campaign mode 😂
Same
A campaign is a PVE that’s what it’s always meant idk why anyone got the idea it meant something else
They never said OW2 was going to be like destiny or anything like that
ok but why are you shooting at your bastion
He was soaking echo nades
"Everyone Knows What "PVE" Means"
Me: I Have Never Heard Of "PVE" In My Entire Life
Yeah no, I never really considered "PvE" to have anything to do with RPG, that seems super random.
Don’t care, campaign is what we have been wanting since 2016
Imagine paying $15 for 3 missions. There are way better games out for $15
This video reminds me of “FELLAS, IS IT GAY TO LOOK AT THE MIRROR”
Copium
You missed the satire of the video
@@ToasterTron2000 what satire....
Well now a days it's a subdivision of the general gameplay like rougelikes are rougelikes and shooters are shooters. As we use words more and more we find new meanings for those works that work more comfortably in the context.