I'm Not Fully Buying What The Adjudicator is Selling
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- Опубліковано 12 бер 2024
- In this review I talk about what it can and can not do. The adjudicator IS a very unique and cool weapon. It does great in general play, but i found a lot of issues otherwise. When it comes to PvP, i just don't see it. Not in this sandbox. Overall, it is special enough to pick up. You will have fun with it, but don't be surprised if it collects dust in your vault.
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I mean it's good. SMGs are just flat out in one of the better spots in the game. I just don't think it is in that upper tier. What do you think?
I think that it is absolutely high tier because of how clean and how good of a perk selection it has.
it's pretty nuts in pve man
this gun was glued to my hands back in vanilla D2, but that was back in fixed rolls, static subclasses and really not a lot of craziness.
Looking at it now, without even firing the gun, I can see its been powercrept out of the game.
Its got a lot of good perks to roll with and they ARE powerful......but are we really gonna run this?
If I WERE to run this, it would need to have Kenetic Tremors for starters. After that, Feeding Frenzy or Perpetual Motion, Flared Magwell, A good handling barrel and masterwork.
I really don't like Unending Tempest at all. I despise the sights on it and it makes it practically un-usable to me. Adjudicator is a total breath of fresh air in comparison. I have a ton of adept Immortals, and I'm not going to lie I prefer the way this thing feels. I actually like the low zoom, despite how it supposedly negatively impacts the weapon... it's a selling point for me. I guess it just depends on the user... I think there is a big "feel" factor at play here.
I think I'd rather use a sidearm, though.
As far as smg's go, I'm really keen on seeing how the Multimach returns this season. It's very possible we will all be taking a trip in a time machine to when the Multimach reigned supreme.
It’s carrying me like straight up so is relentless
7:00 "If they are so good where are the Every Waking Moments?" What an awesome line
Thanks for gettin nerdy with it buddy...as always
7:50 Noooo you had onslaught. I didn't have Manticore juice to do something smart but my ego wanted me to challenge you. Gg. Glad to be in the video
What you said. My expectations were a bit higher than this could fly in practice. I went back to other short range options.
As far as a gun with Onslaught goes right now, im now on a Summoner high. That thing with Elemental Capacitor, Onslaught, and Wild Card trait… its a thing of beauty.
I've been running healclip onslaught for pvp and subsistence onslaught for pve and just being on the moon with what feels like a rapid fire machine gun summoner is just dumb fun.
@@razaiel3688 Exactly, and damn man. You are lucky, I want a Heal Clip/Onslaught roll so bad
Feel sure is a thing, and this thing hits the spot for me where unending tempest does not, maybe it’s the sight or the zoom but I dig it
Amazing review as always! Looking forward to seeing your reviews on the other prophecy/newly released weapons
The first roll I got was the two nerfed perks(Rangefinder/Taget Lock) and I have found it to feel snappy and sticky regardless. I've used it in PvE and PvP and it hasn't let me down too terribly bad.
Keep up the good work. Loving the content!
I'm still using target lock on my Unending Tempest. I can get 4 higher damage bullets on a single target which makes the TTK more forgiving. Rangfinder is good on this SMG because it only has 13 zoom.
Thank goodness you made a review. I really needed your help on this one and deciding between roles. Also, hope you're doing well cool guy!
Been looking for your take on the updated prophecy weapons!
I just love the way it feels to fire, Subsistence Frenzy feels nice
I’m glad you put this video out. I got the feeding frenzy onslaught roll and thought I was gonna love it and I didn’t. It’s not terrible but not great either
Mentioning Multimach : I'm going to be patiently waiting your review of the Tremors - Under Over perk pairing on it. I'm going to be chasing that one personally for a melee focused build on Titan.
For PvP rangefinder is a must for me. I had a couple of dynamic sway rolls I thought were going to be good but they felt loose and mid. Then I got a couple of rangefinder rolls, one with fragile focus which hits max range and it felt good, the extra zoom really made a difference. The other has onslaught and is my new main for my Peacekeeper Titan. I recommend trying out rangefinder, especially for PvP.
Hope you’re doing better you’re the go to for in depth reviews
Thank You for shouting out Every Waking Moment! I absolutely loved that gun before Shayura's came!
I understand your perspective, I think it's probably the 13 zoom. There are times when I use this thing and feel like any other smg could have hit shots with a higher zoom. But I think this gun is a spare rations situation where it doesn't have the best objective stats but the feeling of the gun is really good and I think onslaught is a nice perk for clutch scenarios in 3v3 setting, it can make the difference if you are on a flank 1v2.
Rangefinder solves this issue
Im not a hugh smg person but up close they definitely do the job
I absolutely love this weapon. I'm completely buying. I've been able to get Onslaught x3 multiple times and it absolutely destroys. Clean sight, small fire grouping, i love it
In pvp with rangefinder is amazing
There's something about the length (edit: height?) of the gun model and it's scope on this weapon that just doesn't jive with me for an SMG. It sounds weird, and I really like Relentless, but I just don't enjoy firing this gun. Thanks for the review!
If you watch other people use it they hold the gun almost over the head. It looks wierd😆
Haha I'm the opposite. So what can make or break a weapon for me is the firing sound, and Adj SMG sounds amazing and unique to me, so that's why I use it
Yeah, the gun model goes way up and encroaches really far on the actual reticle. Makes it hard to see anybody really close up if they just crouch. It almost zooms in like a shotgun.
Edit: fucked up the spelling of “model” lmao my ass cant spell on 3 hours of sleep
For me it's the sight, simple, clean, red dot, it helps me focus and I don't even have the perfect roll, probably wouldn't take it to trials over my god roll Shayura's but I'd still use it here and there o7
That's why the relentless is so nice too. I hit way more 2 bursts than with my messenger.
Interesting video. What's your warlock build you seemed unstoppable. Keep up the good work.
It's OK at best like you say. I picked up a dynamic sway with rampage, corkscrew, accurized, with a stability MW. It's a good SMG. Submission and Mulimach walk all over it though. I'd say it needs a buff. I love the look and the sights are really clean.
I love your reviews, can't wait for more
I love my adjudicator, it’s been my favorite weapon since its original release. I have 76 range, rangefinder and target lock. Target lock has been written off but it makes it more consistent to land the base ttk when you’re pushing range to the max and when the light buff starts going away. I grinded for hours for a rangefinder onslaught roll and it never landed. I have a great PM/onslaught roll but I think onslaught is totally situational. It’s great playing against bad players, but overall my target lock roll is leagues more consistent. If onslaught lasted longer I might appreciate it more, but with how campy players are I think it’s more a novelty than anything and you’ll rarely get to 3 stacks in higher skilled lobbies.
I keep getting max or close to max range rolls of that weapon. Still no onslaught roll that I would like.
I thought during the reveal.. it was getting high impact reserves. Which would have been really cool to see that and the origin trait work together
Ric rounds dynamic sway with tremors in end game is amazing!!
great review! totally agree
perp motion + fragile makes it a stat monster with the lowest damage dropoff at range, combined with the sight and model just makes it a no-brainer go-to SMG for me. Already got 400 crucible kills on mine!
What shader did you put on your role? Looks sick
Not in a huge rush -Showrunner will get tremors out 50% sooner thanks to the fire rate and restores health on kill.
Onslaught is monstrous, but I have concerns about the mag size on an smg
Feel better soon!
How can I get showrunner
Yeah, he recommended a reload speed perk and I second that. It feels like my Ros Arago shoots whole mags, and that's rewind rounds with actium. Reloads are going to be a common occurrence with its rof. So you might as well have it as fast as possible.7
@@shaunjames5086 Own the Season of the Witch, then turn in Witches engrams at the vendor table for any of the Red War reprisals (including Showrunner)
The reload time with Alloy Mag and FFx5 is 0.9s with a mag size around 28. Ros Arago IV has the same base RPM and while it doesn't have FF, it does get alloy mag, and you can use one reloader mod to get it down to 1.3s reload with a 42 mag and better range. It's mostly a wash, they'll be as effective as each other in the same tier of enemy difficulties.
Red War at the witch table in the Helm@@shaunjames5086
Fragile's 20 range gives you the option of selecting barrels that put points into stab and handling instead of range, if Fragile is off because your shield is gone in a 1v1 well you are probably at shotty range by then. Also Unending has Under Over which is an often overlooked damage perk.
I absolutely love Threat Detector/ Fragile Focus. 73 range with FF is 100 range with light, and if they are close, TD gives me stats that will make it beam, especially if Focus is proc'd.
Also yeah you can use Igneous w it
I really loved this thing BITD! The weapon model is super clean.
But you're very right, when IB comes back I'm actually gunna jump in, whole hog, slog it out! I want the Strand Chain Reaction Wave GL & a god roll Multimach! Never got an even half decent one first time round so I'm waiting patiently haha.
When I need a kinetic smg in pvp, it's my Multimach CCX
The only one I’ve got so far is perpetual/tremors. And I noticed tremors wasn’t really ever triggering on most adds, because they’d die first. And I hadn’t even put minor spec on yet. I could use it on a major and it would trigger fine, but who want to use a primary on a high health major. I guess it would work on those lower health majors or minor knights.
It might work in GMs but you generally don’t get close enough for an smg in those. Maybe in a day 1 it could be useful, since it’s an encounter than you need to be close-ish and you need that extra damage for killing adds quicker. Or a mid-high tier coil?
So if onslaught is only for low tier stuff, I don’t really see this working great with any roll (maybe frenzy, but that’s nothing special to this) in higher end PvE.
I think one of the most important things you said is “when it works it’s great” cause that really is the thing about this gun. It’s pretty awesome when it works but it is probably one of the more inconsistent weapons I’ve used. I’ve rarely played with a weapon that went so many times in a single match from “can’t believe I killed that guy” to “can’t believe I didn’t kill that guy”. It’s fun but something about it just feels less consistent than the other top tiers in the class. Which is a shame because I love the look and the novelty it has.
I've been having a lot of fun with the Wild Style in Crucible with Incandescent. Double grenades, double kills galore.
Best title for a thumbnail ever 😂😂
I want Perpetual and Fragile Focus with fluted, accurized, and a range mw for pvp. Just an absolute stat monster
you can clutch some 1v3's in trials w/ onslaught up but the range limitations can throw rounds as well.
The best feeling onslaught gun ive gotten is Summoner with Heal Clip/ Onslaught.
Heal clip lets you keep onslaught up without worrying much about how much damage you're taking. It feels so much better than Ros Arago
got dynamic sway and onslaught on the first clear, shit is smooth in cqc
Great review, the adjudicator is just mid with its only selling points being onslaught and the origin trait. Farmed it for a night and that's really more than enough. Didn't get an onslaught roll but got a great picture of what this smg offers. Played supremacy with it for 6 or so matches and put it down. Just my opinion, if it can't even hang in the old sandbox with mildly decent rolls, then it's not really worth the grind
My lethal abundance with onslaught has the same problem with ajudicator in pve. Except it's a strand weapon so unraveling rounds and threadling really helps it out quite a bit. Onslaught is not "that" perk, KT or voltshot is. If it could get additional help from the sub class, this would be a completely different story.
CoolGuy please release your opinion of the state of crucible because I need to know how you feel about the 450 spam lol.
Onslaught is fun but it mostly feels like it's just nothing more than flashy and really not good enough outside of strikes and 6vs6 compared to the competition. I would like if they made it so the stacks drop one by one instead of all at once and keep the short timer just like it is now or even shorter to compensate.
My first and only drop of it was Pep Motion and Onslaught, and....Yeah, not feeling it either in higher tiered activities. Even just a normal nightfall it just doesn't feel good, feel like I can't take advantage of Onslaught properly.
Shayura’s is the best all around smg imo - Forgiving, rangy, kill clip, stat monster.
Multi is going to be a problem though (i think 16.5 zoom with rangefinder and kill clip will be sticky and lethal)
I just want a 600 in the kinetic slot with snapshot sights. The last one we had was in Black Armory and is now sunset.
I love you and have always taken your opinion into my own gameplay but it’s nutty seeing you clean house with it and say “it’s not all that” lol. But you’re prolly right. Id get the roll I wanted and would just vault it.
You'd do the same with any gun your aim doesn't suck and you're shooting at its intended ranges
I have arrowhead, accurized, range mw, rangefinder and fragile focus to give about 96 range. I used in trials and I was enjoying it. Shayuras is just an outlier when it comes to precisions, but I think Adjudicator is a solid competitor to Unending tempest, but unending is just overall easier to obtain. I got really lucky with my roll and I’m going to personally use it over tempest due to the scope just being cleaner. It’s a solid option, but imo way too difficult to obtain the perfect roll. I wouldn’t spend time farming the cube encounter when unending is just easier to get
All in all, I simply hope you're feeling better, brother. Please take care of yourself and don't stress us or this game. We'll still be here so positive vibes your way...
I'm not a fan of subsist on this gun bc especially with onslaught, it only increases the amount of bullets you shoot extra from sub does not compensate for the horrible reload speed once you run out, maybe that changes if you have flared or alloy mag, but mines stuck at 0 reload
As a controller player it just feels clean and absurdly easy to control. I used a 4/5 Fragile focus/Dynamic sway roll and got 24 kills with it on Eternity of all maps. To be fair I was using Blink for closing the distance but that’s besides the point.
Me too… I had the same impression after playing with it. Maybe if I get the absolute god roll then maybe I’ll change my mind.
Agreed. Showrunner with overflow / kinetic tremors is So much better in high end content.
Problem is subsitence/onslaught combo also exist on summoner.
I agree with your review 100%. I farmed this encounter for my friends, self sacrifice. I felt it was a waste of 5 hours
I wouldn’t use an smg in high end content anyway, tend to use a special + scout/bow in GMs. I want it for general Strikes, cut through stuff for fun
I never thought I’d end up in a Content Creator’s video, and then I met CoolGuy in a random Coil activity. It was an honor. Sorry I died so damn much lol
I feel like Zen Moment would’ve been the definitive perk on it if they brought it back with it. Just make it able to fight against the other faster killing smgs. Bummer.
Another thing i want to mention is that onslaught is a bit of a wierd perk to call a damage perk. It DOESNT increase damage…only rate of fire. Which means that you burn through your magazine WAY faster at higher stacks. It feels good on auto rifles due to their high magazine size, but i cant see it working well on an SMG. I struggle with basic damage perks with normal SMG magazine sizes…onslaught will just add to that struggle.
yessss and having a higher rate of fire without a damage penalty means you're doing damage more often so what do you think that means...
94 solo runs of the Cube later and still no Onslaught roll… I did get a few 5/5 rolls of the shotgun though which is nice because my main PvP class is Blink Voidlock
Great review man, I personally love it, the first roll I got was dynamic and rampage and it felt phenomenal in PvP. Take care man and I hope you have a full recovery. As always sending prayers your way.
I’ve been using perpetual and fragil and it slaps
Agreed. I wanna see what say about high relentless and a sudden death two I farmed for. Got 2 I like.
Your thoughts on immortal. How can any gun beat it. I have encore, kill clip, run with speedloader. How can any smg be better, after 2 kills I’m 100 on every stat except airborne, and stability, at 85.
First roll I got was rangefinder target lock lol. Pvp isn't my thing, and I don't mind using guns with suboptimal rolls for pve as long as they feel good, and this gun feels fantastic. Smooth as butter, feels like it ignored the global smg recoil nerf, cleanest sights I've ever seen. I'm all about gun feel this one speaks no lies, gun feel good
I think the 13 zoom really killed this thing for me. I feel like it needs rangefinder just to feel as good as other 600s with base 14 zoom, which is pretty much like giving up a perk slot just to equal the others.
I mostly just want it for the model cause it looks really nice
For me it’s the feel. I can not use Shayura to save my life and I’ve tried even just within the last week. Pulled out my 4 or 5/5 killing wind kill clip roll I’ve kept knowing it’s good but just never liking it. Unending tempest I’ve used a roll or two and just didn’t like it. But adjudicator I’ve been loving and mixing with my Long arm and really enjoying. I got fluted barrel, perpetual motion, and target locked with mediocre mag and masterwork and I’ve been having a lot of success. The gun just feels nice to use and I’ve hated smgs and most thing full auto unless they were broken in pvp
Is onslaught better on breakneck because it's kinetic does 450rpm ruin it?
I'd love one for a Kinetic Tremors roll. Just for options in loadouts.
IB is bringing back MultiMach and it has KT
@@derek3154 Nice. Looking forward to going after that then.
I love the gun. Got multiple god rolls while farming. Like close to perfect god rolls. HOWEVER, I do still struggle to manage the recoil, or to hit shots from a little further like some other controller players would be able to hit. My aim might just be off or something, I’m not too sure. But this is also my experience in 3s. I’m sure in 6s I’d maybe find it performing better. I’ll have to keep playing around with it to really know though.
I kept a bunch of rolls. Some that had an even distribution of range and stability, with and without DSR. Some going entirely into range and whatnot. Something feels real off about my control over the gun. Like it’s so light that I just have no control over it sometimes…
First roll dropped with dynamic sway/onslaught…SMG go brrrr
Land you for always keeping a level head. I get sick of everyone just hyping up the new thing.
As someone who's mained SMG's since before even Beyond Light, SMG's are powerful right now because of the several years worth of nerfs and reworks shotguns and fusion rifles had to go through to become less dominant. SMGs arent strong because they stand out, they're strong because they do their job and finally have had some time to shine after the first 5 years of near extinct usage rates.
Is Cool Guy trolling us with some of this gameplay? Comment farming perhaps? From absolutely melting people on Javelin to running straight into a lightning nade at 0:44. Then a lot of solid gameplay until 3:20, trying to use the empty RL on the ogre, to meleeing the orge, to throwing the healing nade at the ogre, to swapping BACK to the empty RL, then popping Deadshot goldie. We all have those brainfart moments but I'm convinced this is Coolguy missing with us.
Love the review Coolguy ❤
The only thing that carried this archetype was basically PKs and target lock. Without those it’s a glorified AR. Genuinely it has the stats of a 600 rpm auto with slightly better body ttk and exponentially worse head ttk. Both are automatic. Both .8. Autos just have more range and more ammo. If you aren’t on pks and like precision smgs just use an auto. Or idk. An actual smg archetype that isn’t that bad and gives some kind of competitive ttk
I don’t know how your head and heart are going but you sound as sharp as a tack.👍
I know it’s not the best thing in the world, but it just feels great to use. The sights to me are super clean around the dot and I love the sound design. I personally think this is why people overhype the weapon, as not only was it a fan favorite, but it feels and sounds good.
In my opinion If Rampage and Onslaught were in different columns and you could have them both on The Adjudicator at the same time THAN this weapon would have been the king of SMG'S but unfortunately bungie dropped the ball and put Rampage and Onslaught in the same column so in the in end this is just another SMG in opinion.
I have accurized rounds, perpetual, target lock and it’s been melting
Off topic, but I wanna say how the in game LFG this past week was awesome.
I was able to farm for almost every roll I wanted (despite RNGesus not blessing me with a Headseeker Relentless).
Kudos to Bungie
I thought the subsistence kinetic tremors roll would be much more impressive
Can someone tell me what 140 crit dmg is supposed to be now? 77?
I'll be honest, Adjudicator was not something I really wanted to try and farm from Prophecy mainly because SMGs don't really do it for me. And Onslaught in my honest opinion feels more like a PvP perk rather than a PvE, I know there's people who use it in PvE content, but for me personally, I'd rather use it in PvP to help secure kills.
Real truth is in pve nothing matters in low end content and in dungeons/raids adjudicator is almost useless compared to other options
it can be enhanced just went up 🔝 🎉 this weeks twab
Thanks. You saved ma from a lot of grinding.
No he didn’t it’s still amazing and I still believe it is better than unending tempest so go back!
Like you can farm it now😂, enjoy waiting a month+
Still gonna want the strand pulse at least
I got a roll with dynamic and the thing feels like is broken there's no recoil at all
The showrunner exist so i dont see the need to get it for pve and its pretty good in pvp so i like it there
I got it out of storage just before the update to play around... and the perks are better but I still don't like it. It feels sluggish to me. I'm having more fun with showrunner... you know, since kinetic tremors goes off now...
It just feels better
I just hate that they nerfed my old multimach I played so much to get. Absolutely dumpstered the stability on it to the point its borderline unusable when being shot at.
so I broke out my old multi with 1k kills on it
its going to shred when it comes back you forget about the extra 20 mob which is so helpful on pks I'm willing to bet its going to be wild
I think the fact that SMGs aren't great picks for endgame PvE shouldn't count against this gun. All weapon types that need more time out of cover to deliver their damage, will always fall behind weapons that deal more damage more quickly on a peak.
I think the place this weapon shines, is in the same places that Submission does, per the TWID they will even be able to both have enhanced Subsistence + Frenzy for a great workhorse gun, then it just comes down to feel, and if you value Souldrinker enough.
I use Submission in dungeons and normal difficulty raids, so I feel like Adjudicator does have a place, it just comes down to preference. As much as I have had a great time putting 10k+ kills on Submission, I prefer the feel of Adjudicator.
Great video as always.
Only got one so far, and I haven’t used it yet.
Grinder for this, maybe it’s better on MnK. The other 2 600’s are way better on controller