I'm excited for the patch later today. Last game I got hit 18k by a skyscraper 3 seconds into the fight, followed the next fight one shot by a 1 shot dagger build lol. I would love to see the other build variety once the clear op builds are taken down a notch.
Inmade a build today and the best burn build is the fire ray and dmg ray and freeray with weaponized core boosting flamethrower, i got 6,5k burn on an shield scaling dooley who had 20k shield
This is early still beta. Things will change massively and it's not like there aren't counters to those builds. It's just that builds like pyf property or Vanessa dam comes online very quickly with a couple of relatively targetable items.
@jackhuo2758 both of those get countered by instant burst or instant freeze builds or both of them togther. Like vanessa throwing knife build which can instantly proc with clam and a yoyo. And not to mention if the knives are enchanted build. I mean it has a ranked mode, and why would anyone play other builds if you can push for specific builds which you know will win for sure, all the builds will start looking the same over and over for the people who want to push rank, leading to stagnation in the ranked mode. The devs will always need to work overtime to fix the builds.
@@mangsingson362 Just kinda how these sort of games are. Even your favorite tft set (if you played) prob had a bad patch or two. Meta gets stale people complain then some stuff gets adjusted to make it fun again for a few weeks, rinse and repeat.
@@mangsingson362 because we've seen how you can counter those builds unless they get very specific lucky enchantments. Also as some people like krip pointed out, forcing those builds wont always get you 10 wins. Especially if you only get to a mediocre version of it and someone has a better version. It's just that at 8-10 wins the failed builds have fallen out as opponents so theres sample size bias. It doesn't mean that you trying to force the build will have a stronger win % rate than someone playing properly against with various counters to those builds. (Yes you can counter Vanessa infinite throwing knives with a lifesteal thorns. The only way she beats it is if she vastly scaled her knife damage more than you scaled your thorns damage or she got lifesteal on her daggers).
@@mangsingson362 this problem gets alleviated over time as items get introduced. right now vanessa only has 4 vehicles, which is why it is so easy to target. when the other heroes/cards are introduced, it will be harder to target specific cards, along with the changes they will be making before full launch.
Hey Shurkou, with your knowledge about this game: is there a build to counter a insta shotgun burst build (insta triggered high ammo throwing knife 100% crit burst )?
burn core is one of the worst cores just because you need to hit burn early, and it doesn't scale later though currently because of the meta shield is probably the worst, and weapon core is on par with it. I'd say order is friend/the core, crit, burn, weapon/shield. once scraper dam and dagger get hit, shield will probably be on par with crit because it can farm so much.
shield core can be strong because dooley has lot of items farm items where objective is to stall. shield core is like playing pig but instead of farming items through selling and buying, it's gaining scale by stalling every fight and doing 0 damage. its great pivot core. you can get things like friend that gives max health, duct tape and memory card. pick easy pve fights and farm max health and gold. i think weapon core is something that people haven't figured how to play yet. my guess for weapon core is to get duct tape and putting it next to the core and than than find that helmet item that says that every time you slow, charge item and give core attack damage. after that, look for as many low cooldown items to trigger core and source of haste. basically you want perma haste, perma slow and scaling attack damage. that's my guess for what play-style is.
@dodang_9147 yeah, but you could just play crit core. It's not horrible, but other cores are better. Though if there's more coreless builds it might be decent as a consistent early game to pivot out of. If we get a level up option or some other way to boost the effect it might become great. Another option would be for it to scale with upgrades squared instead of multiplied, like 5 10 20 40 instead of 5 10 15 20. For now even if you proc it 10 times, it's only at 200 in diamond and that's a pretty low number, I know it's pyg but a crook is 200 from the start, and doesn't just buff the items to the right, and dooley doesn't have a lot of multicast or very fast weapons, best you can do is the one that lowers cooldown when hasted and burns you.
Every video I’ve watched I hardly see them face the annoying builds. Every other fight is pig skyscraper, dam or dagger build. This was a cool build though.
yeah and if you lose early it's over. though you might be able to go burn into some atomic clock freeze build, discarding the core. I think it's great for normals though, since only your number of wins matter, going for the core/crit core and fishing for damage on level up or burn might be the play.
I'm excited for the patch later today. Last game I got hit 18k by a skyscraper 3 seconds into the fight, followed the next fight one shot by a 1 shot dagger build lol. I would love to see the other build variety once the clear op builds are taken down a notch.
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Inmade a build today and the best burn build is the fire ray and dmg ray and freeray with weaponized core boosting flamethrower, i got 6,5k burn on an shield scaling dooley who had 20k shield
Really appreciate you trying other builds. The strong builds have been established now and its pretty stale to watch them now.
This is early still beta. Things will change massively and it's not like there aren't counters to those builds. It's just that builds like pyf property or Vanessa dam comes online very quickly with a couple of relatively targetable items.
@jackhuo2758 both of those get countered by instant burst or instant freeze builds or both of them togther. Like vanessa throwing knife build which can instantly proc with clam and a yoyo. And not to mention if the knives are enchanted build. I mean it has a ranked mode, and why would anyone play other builds if you can push for specific builds which you know will win for sure, all the builds will start looking the same over and over for the people who want to push rank, leading to stagnation in the ranked mode. The devs will always need to work overtime to fix the builds.
@@mangsingson362 Just kinda how these sort of games are. Even your favorite tft set (if you played) prob had a bad patch or two. Meta gets stale people complain then some stuff gets adjusted to make it fun again for a few weeks, rinse and repeat.
@@mangsingson362 because we've seen how you can counter those builds unless they get very specific lucky enchantments.
Also as some people like krip pointed out, forcing those builds wont always get you 10 wins. Especially if you only get to a mediocre version of it and someone has a better version.
It's just that at 8-10 wins the failed builds have fallen out as opponents so theres sample size bias. It doesn't mean that you trying to force the build will have a stronger win % rate than someone playing properly against with various counters to those builds. (Yes you can counter Vanessa infinite throwing knives with a lifesteal thorns. The only way she beats it is if she vastly scaled her knife damage more than you scaled your thorns damage or she got lifesteal on her daggers).
@@mangsingson362 this problem gets alleviated over time as items get introduced. right now vanessa only has 4 vehicles, which is why it is so easy to target. when the other heroes/cards are introduced, it will be harder to target specific cards, along with the changes they will be making before full launch.
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Very keen for the balance changes, fun to see the Ray build come together
Hey Shurkou, with your knowledge about this game: is there a build to counter a insta shotgun burst build (insta triggered high ammo throwing knife 100% crit burst )?
ggs brotherman
beta ray is actually pretty good it's effectively a 3s item a lot of the time
burn core is one of the worst cores just because you need to hit burn early, and it doesn't scale later
though currently because of the meta shield is probably the worst, and weapon core is on par with it.
I'd say order is friend/the core, crit, burn, weapon/shield.
once scraper dam and dagger get hit, shield will probably be on par with crit because it can farm so much.
shield core can be strong because dooley has lot of items farm items where objective is to stall. shield core is like playing pig but instead of farming items through selling and buying, it's gaining scale by stalling every fight and doing 0 damage. its great pivot core. you can get things like friend that gives max health, duct tape and memory card. pick easy pve fights and farm max health and gold.
i think weapon core is something that people haven't figured how to play yet. my guess for weapon core is to get duct tape and putting it next to the core and than than find that helmet item that says that every time you slow, charge item and give core attack damage. after that, look for as many low cooldown items to trigger core and source of haste. basically you want perma haste, perma slow and scaling attack damage. that's my guess for what play-style is.
@dodang_9147 yeah, but you could just play crit core.
It's not horrible, but other cores are better.
Though if there's more coreless builds it might be decent as a consistent early game to pivot out of.
If we get a level up option or some other way to boost the effect it might become great.
Another option would be for it to scale with upgrades squared instead of multiplied, like 5 10 20 40 instead of 5 10 15 20.
For now even if you proc it 10 times, it's only at 200 in diamond and that's a pretty low number, I know it's pyg but a crook is 200 from the start, and doesn't just buff the items to the right, and dooley doesn't have a lot of multicast or very fast weapons, best you can do is the one that lowers cooldown when hasted and burns you.
So hype for the game brotherman
Bro is a Dooly main, thats so free
walter is cool, but 20k hp doesn't help against infinite nor scraper pygs
Every video I’ve watched I hardly see them face the annoying builds. Every other fight is pig skyscraper, dam or dagger build. This was a cool build though.
Burn seems great if you 10-0 but you prob start getting shrekd past day 10.
yeah and if you lose early it's over.
though you might be able to go burn into some atomic clock freeze build, discarding the core.
I think it's great for normals though, since only your number of wins matter, going for the core/crit core and fishing for damage on level up or burn might be the play.
But then hefest got THIS run
yeah weaponized core is giga bad
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