Very helpful review and instruction! New to the radio world and was rather confused on the differences between CT and DCS across different handheld models. Thanks for being so thorough in your explanation!
Thank you for the kind words, that makes all of this worth it. Please feel free to reach out if you have any additional questions and I’ll do my best to help you out.
what those code do is lock two radios together and no other radio out side your two can talk to you and by the way we can only hear you SO as far as I can see there worthless mean nothing the radio would IF thay did not put them in and a 5 watt radio talking to another 5 watt radio with out a repeater which would have you 20 miles down the road you are forever stuck at two miles I have a F C C licensee for G M R S radio and I got this info from a radio tech who builds these radio's
that's grate on gmrs off s tower I do 20 miles on a 45 watt moble that's off road gear my h t's are 10 apeace and my base goe's for 2 50.00 I found the good stuff bought them at a real radio store for off road radios.
and that is becouse all transmitt at 1/2 watt only becouse the fcc did not want another dezaster like the cb 's had no linniers on these so two mile or so becous of ground of cludder
he does not know that frs gmars radios are the same radio inside out sids are deferent only my radios which mach your but where bough in a real radio store selling only radios and all the exceries for it and have staff on staff that know everthing about it my radios are for off roaders thats why I bought from them
I tried to connect my Motorola t7200 to my rocky talkie but haven't had any luck. My Motorola will talk to the rocky talkie but you can talk back with the rocky talkie. I watched you videos and set them both. But I'm missing something.
Recently I tried syncing a Cobra walkie talkie with a Retevis walkie talkie and couldn't broadcast. My job recently had us using radios to communicate.
Sorry, those are brands I don’t have experience with. My suggestion is to look up their manuals online and try matching the value of each PL code and frequency.
you company is on a business band radio that is why thay don't work eather U H F OR V H F channels I own a scanner there is where I come from and hold a G M R S radio licensee also working on my ham ticket also.
can you have more then 2 walkie talkies on a radio? i want to know since me and some of my friends got walkie talkies, but have to fix one so we arent sure if itll work. please let me know, thank you!
I’m not sure I completely understand what you’re asking. If you’re wondering if more than two radios can talk to each other, they can. There is no limit to how many radios can be on the same frequency/ channel at a time, but only one can talk at a time.
I just looked up the manual for the CLS1410, and unfortunately they do not operate in the same frequencies. I would guess it has to do with the differences between business versus FRS frequency licenses. They’re awfully close, but not close enough to work. Sorry, I wish they did.
I wasn’t familiar with the Motorola XPR6580, but after looking it up I see that it’s created to work on the 800/900mhz range. Rocky Talkie radios are programmed exclusively for FRS which is 460mhz. So, unfortunately there is no way to make them talk together. I’m not too familiar with other radios that operate on the 800/900 mhz band, sorry.
thank you for this, i am interested in purchasing the Rocky Talkie. How does it compare with the Motorola (the blue one) much thanks again. Please post more Rocky Talkie videos. You explain so well, much appreciated
Great question, and here is maybe the best answer I can give you… I have both, and never use the T800 Motorola radios. I always prefer my Rocky Talkie radios because they’re super simple and have great audio quality and I know they’re going to work.
@@AdventureCruiser thank you. They are on my list to purchase, I like how they are simple, they look strong and I do not have a need for anything extra, they look great
@@aaronshuster5022 These radios require programming on a computer for codes, but the Talkabouts are field programmable. But if you choose Motorola, look up T402, the yellow ones, as the T800's are crippled at under a watt on all channels, but the T4xx can do 1.5 watts with rechargables, or 1.8 with Alkaline batteries.
diffrent brand's of radios with extrs buttens inside thay are all the same thay transmitt at a 1/2 watt on frs as to f c c speck's on the G M R S side fuer buttons and 5 watts out put 10 wats off repeter
HI I am not him guys doing these talkes don't understand alll F R S radio's are the same in side the out side shell is the only change my rugged radio will mach up with any radio big box stores sellI do not have privet channels thay arenot wanted on are radios the guts transmit at 1/2 watt on f r s and two miles in the city . know you know the trus story
Good job I am up here in Canada purchased murs radios for my business for more privacy and also purchased couple boafeng radios hoping it will work with gmrs or frs radios
@@RKingis I believe you are incorrect murs is legal in Canada and so is gmrs without a license. Why would you worry about the legality of using murs are you that invested in this kind of control ?
@@fav6587 Because if you transmit on a business's licenced channel, or on a public service channel, at least in the US, the FCC can, and most likely track you down.
the answer to that question is yes ALL F R S radio's have the same certit board in side the radio so all security codes which are no secure we still hear you so yes all radio's work together.
1. As said, privacy tones are misnomer. They have nothing to do with privacy issue. Having a receiving radio with code "0", or being decoded by a SDR, any FM transmission can be decoded. 2. Privacy tones entitled by natural numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. are not reliable and sometimes not interoperable. Different radio manufacturers may use different actual frequencies (CTCSS) or octal codes (DCS) for their respective brands. For example, Motorola radios may use 69.3 Hz as privacy tone #1 while another manufacturer may use something different. The main point is to match the frequency/octal code of the privacy tones. 3. Always set the same privacy tone on the receiving end as the transmitting end to avoid hearing interference/transmission from other privacy tones. One exception is that there is no straight privacy tone for the transmission and everybody uses a random tone, and you, as a receiving member, would like to receive as many transmission as you can.
Very well done, I was going to purchase these but unsure how to work with other FRS radios -- THANKs! One quick question can you change the privacy codes on the channels in which it has been already programmed, or are those essentially fixed? thanks again!
Thank you, I appreciate the complement. When you set a privacy tone for the first 22 channels, those privacy tones are set in memory until you remove them. For example channel 8 will always have the tone you set even if you change channels. You will see CT in the top of the display. You cannot change the privacy tone in the rest of the channels (as far as I know). There are essentially two ways to use a privacy code. The first is simply to match the channel number between two Rocky Talkie radios. The second is to press and hold the CT button below the push to talk button. Then cycle through the options until you match the code of another radio. The manual Rocky Talkies provides explains this in detail. I hope this helps.
yes you can go to the setting and pick acode enter it on both radio's you good he does not under stand that the code will not allow a rhird party to talk to you he can only lissen in not talk every person doing these rattings are the same
As of 2018, FRS, and GMRS share all 22 channels. GMRS handhelds CAN transmit on 8-14, but limited to half a watt, mobiles are actually forbidden by the FCC to transmit.
@@Elfnetdesigns Actually, they only shared channels 1-7. It wasn't until the FCC allowed Multiservice radios which allowed access to all 22 channels, with a few allowing repeater access. FRS is, and was narrow band, and GMRS wide band. That's why older GMRS radios were only 15 channels.
AS OF 20/24 channels 15 through 22 are shared with the G M R S channels the F R S channels are the off repeater channels for G M R S you use these and of there is A repeater near you you will open it and enter the repeater and R kingis I hold a licensee for G M R S.
Who told you hams don't use PL(/DPL) decode? Everywhere I've ever lived they do...perhaps with the exception of the rare repeater owner who actually _likes_ that awful squelch crash...
Time 3:33 While you can set the Yaesu to 462.600 (channel 17 (FRS/GMRS)) You can't TX only RX. If you want to talk about the big difference between the Yaesu and the Rocky Talkie let's begin with the build quality. Enjoyed the video.
It is. It’s the p400 (UHF Low or UHF 1 if you’re a Motorola guy). I’ve got that specific one up for sale on eBay if you’re interested. I’m a big fan of the BK radios, simple, robust, easy to program, and friendly customer service. I have the P150, P400 (a few of these), P500, and P800. Should I do a video on them next?
@@AdventureCruiser Nice, a Video would be great, looks like a really nice radio, I’m used to Motorola but they are just so expensive, are bk’s any cheaper?
Cheaper than an APX series radio? Yes, but still expensive. Expect to pay around $2,000+ for a new one, though cheaper radios do pop up on eBay from time to time. I’ll try to make a video about the different options available on the BK radios, not all radios have all features much like Motorol. The form factor isnt quite as nice as a Motorola, but the radio is so much more friendly to use. The. BK radios are the radio of choice for CalFire, TSA, US Park Service, and a bunch of other federal agencies because they are made completely in the US.
Here in the U.S., the only radios that you can legally use for GMRS must be Part 95A certified and for FRS, Part 95B certified. You are prohibited from using a ham radio or other radios that can be tuned to other bands. Commercial radios are kind of a gray area but they are not to be adjusted for transmitting from the front panel which is intentionally done to prevent users from operating out of band. I know of someone who spent 7 years in federal prison because he was fooling around with a commercial radio and managed to interfere with public safety. I would recommend only using certified equipment for the service you wish to use. The rules were updated in 2017 and as you pointed out FRS can now use 2 watts ERP (Effective Radiated Power) on FRS for Channels 1-7 and channels 15-22 but only .5 watts on channels 8-14. The only reason to use the low power channels might be for stealth reasons so others can not copy your signal and the target receiving station is very close. Even at 2 watts (or 5 watts) the range can be very limited, sometimes less than a mile depending upon obstructions. Licensed GMRS users can operate on the same channels as FRS if they have an HT form factor radio but must abide by the .5 watts on cannels 8-14. They are allowed to use up to 5 watts ERP on channels 1-7 and most are designed similarly for channels 15-22. If you are using a base or mobile type GMRS radio, you can operate up to 50 watts output (not ERP), on channels 15-22, and 5 watts ERP on 1-7 but you can not operate on 8-14. Since you can use detachable antennas and the antennas can be at significant heights and have gain, such as at base stations, this greatly increases range, even between a base and mobile or FRS. With my base GMRS radio, with a 40 foot tower and gain antenna, I have easily talked to FRS users nearly 10 miles away if they are along the ridge. Of course GMRS can also use repeaters that extend range much, much farther, IF you happen to be lucky and have a repeater in the area. To make it clear, the only reason for the privacy tones is so that you don't have to listen to others using the frequency. This also means that if you have a tone set and some other party calls for help, you would not hear them. I monitor GMRS frequencies quite often with no tones, and living on a rural farm I mostly only hear kids with FRS or some workers along the highway using HT's, and sometimes hunters.
Absolutely. Short version is channels 1-7 and then 15-22 match between FRS and GMRS. This goes for modern FRS / GMRS, some older radios had their own channel maps.
Yep if you have the programming equipment and ONLY if they are operating in the ham radio bands and you have a license (if you are a by the letter of the rules person). However in reality the FCC is a big bag of hot air with no strong enforcement anymore. Sure they will go after a pirate FM station because FM band is prime real-estate. Same applies for the cellular and TV bands. Those users have big $$$$ and the FCC knows they can collect. Every once in a while they will go after some tacticool baofeng owner who is a licensed tech ham ,,or some airsoft playing preppers interfering with local public services or railroads. Part 95 equipment is generally Channelized, meaning the FCC as allocated frequencies and set them into channels for you. You can see this with FRS, GMRS, MURS, and CB radios There are dual certified radios of the past that are perfectly legal, Motorola 1225 (non LS. The LS radios are trunking and are only part 90) series is one The thing people LOVE to throw up is the Part 90 vs Part 95 rules regarding GMRS/FRS and other radios like say a Motorola APX8000. RF speaking YES those radios can and will work together and truth be told the APX will have better filtering than the big box store FRS/GMRS radios do. What makes the APX "illegal" is the fact it is multi band, can be set up for direct entry programming, and does digital and trunking modes (the whole emissions thing). So what about a Chinafeng or Japaseu ham radio? Well those are part 97 which is well ham radio. Same thing applies there minus the emissions and more focused on the fact they can be direct entry keypad programmable and are multi band. It's all a bunch of red tape really and these days the ONLY people who care about what radio you use are the ham guys. The reality is that people will use what fits their budget be it a set of FRS radios, GMRS radios, MURS radios or second hand dirt cheap 800 MHz radios and most will not bother with a license either because the use does not justify the cost if you only use radios once a year for some camping trip or whatever. This is also where the "get your ham license" trap starts being activated too. People will say "Get your ham license, it's a great hobby" and it is a great hobby, but these people do this with no real consideration if the user is actually looking for a radio hobby, The ham community with ARRL (in the USA) wants those member numbers UP, it's like a MSM rating system where the numbers matter not the people. If you do not want a ham radio hobby then why bother with a ham license, it makes no logical sense really besides the cellular infrastructure has proven itself to be a resource worth gold in times of distress. Hell in Ukraine right now (2022) in a literal warzone, cellular services are still working for the most part. Yes there are outages but only in the worst areas but also there are no ham radios transmitting either from there either. Point is simply this, Cell providers have millions if not billions to throw into R&D and construction of their infrastructure, hams do not. Yes cell has dead spots out in the boonies but so does ham, unless you want to lug an HF rig around.. Each system has it's place though, That is the simple explanation. At the end of the day, it's YOUR money you throw into radios, do what YOU want with them, just be aware that there is a possibility you maybe could get into some trouble if you are not experienced in how to program and use certain radios.
on second though ask the brain sergen running this show did not know you could go agenst the F C C and have two antenna op's for the radio I have one to use.
your rocky radio is just another family service unit thay all the same cheep radio to keep tabes on your child as long as he stayes no farther th six blockes a way from home then your under two miles
They're claiming compatibility that doesn't exist. Please compare fairly. Why am I supposed to need 105 non-programmable, privately-numbered "channels" to escape other radio's? What am I? Frankenstein? Who's the odd man out? They did those sub-channels to cut costs on firmware, not provide options. Non-standard tone numbers is a dirty trick. They have no web kiosks in the mountains to look them up, Building all that into a radio with no cross reference is criminal. Get something like a Baofeng 88 ST Pro, for instance. It does everything these do, and can lock onto channel codes. Even Rocky Talkie codes. Save enough to hand them out to your friends,. NOAA weather, too. No rubber glove to collect mud... It's form over function. Still, it's progress. Lock them onto the kids, too 🙂
You bring up a really good point, but the radio does have a display. You also can change any of the privacy tones on any of the channels should you wish to. I ran a frequency counter over the radio, and I believe it’s each batch of 22-ish channels has the same tone on it. They do have standard tones.
all walkie talkies are the same no matter what brand thay are family service is limited to 1/2 watt that it on watts fcc rules second privet button will only no let some who here you talk to you thay have to lisen only and you are limited to 2miles becouse two many houses and other buildings will rezest you signel in open two miles or more frs is uhf the other radios that he showed operate on frequencys out side you radio this should clear things I hold fcc licens on gmars which is the other half or the radio
Very helpful review and instruction! New to the radio world and was rather confused on the differences between CT and DCS across different handheld models. Thanks for being so thorough in your explanation!
Thank you for the kind words, that makes all of this worth it. Please feel free to reach out if you have any additional questions and I’ll do my best to help you out.
what those code do is lock two radios together and no other radio out side
your two can talk to you and by the way we can only hear you SO
as far as I can see there worthless mean nothing the radio would
IF thay did not put them in and a 5 watt radio talking to another 5 watt
radio with out a repeater which would have you 20 miles down the road
you are forever stuck at two miles I have a F C C licensee for G M R S
radio and I got this info from a radio tech who builds these radio's
@@donalderickson-si8ww Anybody using the same tone would be able to talk back to him.
I did a range test with 8 different FRS radios and found the Rocky Talkies performed best. Got about 2.7 miles range in a dense urban environment!
Unfortunately, many of the FRS radios that use NiMH batteries can't do 2watts, because they do 1.2v verses an alkaline at 1.5v.
that's grate on gmrs off s tower I do 20 miles on a 45 watt moble that's off road gear my h t's are 10 apeace
and my base goe's for 2 50.00 I found the good stuff bought them at a real radio store
for off road radios.
and that is becouse all transmitt at 1/2 watt only becouse the fcc did not want another dezaster like the cb 's
had no linniers on these so two mile or so becous of ground of cludder
@@donalderickson-si8ww FRS as of 2018 allows up to 2watts on 1-7+15-22.
and you could have told them with a repeater and a licensee you can do 20 miles
I just got a set of Rockies. I haven't had to connect with another brand yet but it is good to know how to ahead of time.
Wonderful! Congratulations
he does not know that frs gmars radios are the same radio inside out sids are deferent only my radios which
mach your but where bough in a real radio store selling only radios and all the exceries for it and have staff
on staff that know everthing about it my radios are for off roaders thats why I bought from them
Thank you so.much ! Very helpful video !!!! Finally i connect to other brands ! Thx 👍
can you sync a motorola T265 to a cls 1410 walkie
I like that newer radios can scan for channels or codes and not have to worry about channel or ct dcs.
The Baofeng BF-88ST Pro makes that really easy for 15 dollars. It's only 2 watt FRS, but so cool you won't even want to reprogram it.
@@HarryHamsterChannel and there not approved by the F C C to use
on family service I have a licensee and we in the G M R S world know.
@@donalderickson-si8ww Oh brother!
@@HarryHamsterChannel SOME Baofeng radio's are not part 95 cleared
with the F C C becouse it crosses over from ham radio world.
@@HarryHamsterChannel thay do not comply with part 95 of the F C C
rules there really a cheep way to get into ham radio.
Thankyou me and my buddies have different radios now we can convoy on tractor day
that is be couse thay are family service radios no mater who built them and com plie with the F C C rules
I tried to connect my Motorola t7200 to my rocky talkie but haven't had any luck. My Motorola will talk to the rocky talkie but you can talk back with the rocky talkie. I watched you videos and set them both. But I'm missing something.
and sorry you will never know I would return there junk and buy another
Recently I tried syncing a Cobra walkie talkie with a Retevis walkie talkie and couldn't broadcast. My job recently had us using radios to communicate.
Sorry, those are brands I don’t have experience with. My suggestion is to look up their manuals online and try matching the value of each PL code and frequency.
you company is on a business band radio that is why thay don't work
eather U H F OR V H F channels I own a scanner there is where I come from
and hold a G M R S radio licensee also working on my ham ticket also.
Did you get the APX from Ebay?
No, there is a local seller I bought it from.
Because they are hard to find.
@@777fan4 are you looking for a specific radio? I might have one available or could point you in the right direction.
can you have more then 2 walkie talkies on a radio? i want to know since me and some of my friends got walkie talkies, but have to fix one so we arent sure if itll work. please let me know, thank you!
I’m not sure I completely understand what you’re asking. If you’re wondering if more than two radios can talk to each other, they can. There is no limit to how many radios can be on the same frequency/ channel at a time, but only one can talk at a time.
Same channel, same code 👍
Does the Rocky talkie pair with a Motorola CLS 1410
I just looked up the manual for the CLS1410,
and unfortunately they do not operate in the same frequencies. I would guess it has to do with the differences between business versus FRS frequency licenses. They’re awfully close, but not close enough to work. Sorry, I wish they did.
which radio can I buy to work with the motorola xpr 6580?
I wasn’t familiar with the Motorola XPR6580, but after looking it up I see that it’s created to work on the 800/900mhz range. Rocky Talkie radios are programmed exclusively for FRS which is 460mhz. So, unfortunately there is no way to make them talk together. I’m not too familiar with other radios that operate on the 800/900 mhz band, sorry.
Get a transverter!
thank you for this, i am interested in purchasing the Rocky Talkie. How does it compare with the Motorola (the blue one) much thanks again. Please post more Rocky Talkie videos. You explain so well, much appreciated
Great question, and here is maybe the best answer I can give you… I have both, and never use the T800 Motorola radios. I always prefer my Rocky Talkie radios because they’re super simple and have great audio quality and I know they’re going to work.
@@AdventureCruiser thank you. They are on my list to purchase, I like how they are simple, they look strong and I do not have a need for anything extra, they look great
@@aaronshuster5022 These radios require programming on a computer for codes, but the Talkabouts are field programmable. But if you choose Motorola, look up T402, the yellow ones, as the T800's are crippled at under a watt on all channels, but the T4xx can do 1.5 watts with rechargables, or 1.8 with Alkaline batteries.
diffrent brand's of radios with extrs buttens inside thay are all the same thay transmitt at a 1/2 watt on frs
as to f c c speck's on the G M R S side fuer buttons and 5 watts out put 10 wats off repeter
HI I am not him guys doing these talkes don't understand alll F R S radio's are the same in side the out side shell
is the only change my rugged radio will mach up with any radio big box stores sellI do not have privet channels
thay arenot wanted on are radios the guts transmit at 1/2 watt on f r s and two miles in the city . know you
know the trus story
Good job I am up here in Canada purchased murs radios for my business for more privacy and also purchased couple boafeng radios hoping it will work with gmrs or frs radios
I believe MURS is a US radio service only, so make sure your transmitting on legal channels.
@@RKingis I believe you are incorrect murs is legal in Canada and so is gmrs without a license. Why would you worry about the legality of using murs are you that invested in this kind of control ?
@@fav6587Well, I do hold 2 FCC radio licenses
it will but thay are very sloppy on transmit I dont owen one
@@fav6587 Because if you transmit on a business's licenced channel, or on a public service channel, at least in the US, the FCC can, and most likely track you down.
the answer to that question is yes ALL F R S radio's have the same certit board in side
the radio so all security codes which are no secure we still hear you so yes
all radio's work together.
1. As said, privacy tones are misnomer. They have nothing to do with privacy issue. Having a receiving radio with code "0", or being decoded by a SDR, any FM transmission can be decoded.
2. Privacy tones entitled by natural numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. are not reliable and sometimes not interoperable. Different radio manufacturers may use different actual frequencies (CTCSS) or octal codes (DCS) for their respective brands. For example, Motorola radios may use 69.3 Hz as privacy tone #1 while another manufacturer may use something different. The main point is to match the frequency/octal code of the privacy tones.
3. Always set the same privacy tone on the receiving end as the transmitting end to avoid hearing interference/transmission from other privacy tones. One exception is that there is no straight privacy tone for the transmission and everybody uses a random tone, and you, as a receiving member, would like to receive as many transmission as you can.
If you think somebody's that bent on hearing you, it might be time to consider more sophisticated means of privacy.
How can I change the frequency from private to public in a rdves rt6
No idea, sorry, I don’t have any experience with that radio.
Retevis RT 6 radio? I can help you, but I need to know more about your radio.
Very well done, I was going to purchase these but unsure how to work with other FRS radios -- THANKs! One quick question can you change the privacy codes on the channels in which it has been already programmed, or are those essentially fixed? thanks again!
Thank you, I appreciate the complement.
When you set a privacy tone for the first 22 channels, those privacy tones are set in memory until you remove them. For example channel 8 will always have the tone you set even if you change channels. You will see CT in the top of the display. You cannot change the privacy tone in the rest of the channels (as far as I know).
There are essentially two ways to use a privacy code. The first is simply to match the channel number between two Rocky Talkie radios. The second is to press and hold the CT button below the push to talk button. Then cycle through the options until you match the code of another radio. The manual Rocky Talkies provides explains this in detail.
I hope this helps.
@@AdventureCruiser Thanks for the update and info, much appreciated!
no your each radio has the same code
yes you can go to the setting and pick acode enter it on both radio's you good he does not under stand that the code
will not allow a rhird party to talk to you he can only lissen in not talk every person doing these rattings are the same
Could this work with a midland to
Absolutely. Check out my other video on how to make it work. ua-cam.com/video/2cew6NVRuQc/v-deo.html
As of 2018, FRS, and GMRS share all 22 channels. GMRS handhelds CAN transmit on 8-14, but limited to half a watt, mobiles are actually forbidden by the FCC to transmit.
Great follow-up, thank you.
They always shared channels since the 1990's, in 2018 the FCC just said "Ok make it easier" and allowed more power
@@Elfnetdesigns Actually, they only shared channels 1-7. It wasn't until the FCC allowed Multiservice radios which allowed access to all 22 channels, with a few allowing repeater access. FRS is, and was narrow band, and GMRS wide band.
That's why older GMRS radios were only 15 channels.
my ht works both i can talk on frs channels 1through 22 at a12 watt switch to a repeter an talk at 45 watts out
I have alicense to do that
AS OF 20/24 channels 15 through 22 are shared with the G M R S channels
the F R S channels are the off repeater channels for G M R S you use these
and of there is A repeater near you you will open it and enter the repeater
and R kingis I hold a licensee for G M R S.
Who told you hams don't use PL(/DPL) decode? Everywhere I've ever lived they do...perhaps with the exception of the rare repeater owner who actually _likes_ that awful squelch crash...
Time 3:33 While you can set the Yaesu to 462.600 (channel 17 (FRS/GMRS)) You can't TX only RX. If you want to talk about the big difference between the Yaesu and the Rocky Talkie let's begin with the build quality. Enjoyed the video.
Yaesu is probably Super heterodyne, which is better than homodyne.
Is that Bk p25 tdma?
It is. It’s the p400 (UHF Low or UHF 1 if you’re a Motorola guy). I’ve got that specific one up for sale on eBay if you’re interested. I’m a big fan of the BK radios, simple, robust, easy to program, and friendly customer service. I have the P150, P400 (a few of these), P500, and P800. Should I do a video on them next?
@@AdventureCruiser Nice, a Video would be great, looks like a really nice radio, I’m used to Motorola but they are just so expensive, are bk’s any cheaper?
Cheaper than an APX series radio? Yes, but still expensive. Expect to pay around $2,000+ for a new one, though cheaper radios do pop up on eBay from time to time. I’ll try to make a video about the different options available on the BK radios, not all radios have all features much like Motorol. The form factor isnt quite as nice as a Motorola, but the radio is so much more friendly to use. The. BK radios are the radio of choice for CalFire, TSA, US Park Service, and a bunch of other federal agencies because they are made completely in the US.
@@AdventureCruiser thanks for all the info this defiantly helps me figure out what radio to buy🤟
Pickin up a 7000 this weekend
Awesome! Good luck.
Nice APX 😁😁
Here in the U.S., the only radios that you can legally use for GMRS must be Part 95A certified and for FRS, Part 95B certified. You are prohibited from using a ham radio or other radios that can be tuned to other bands. Commercial radios are kind of a gray area but they are not to be adjusted for transmitting from the front panel which is intentionally done to prevent users from operating out of band. I know of someone who spent 7 years in federal prison because he was fooling around with a commercial radio and managed to interfere with public safety. I would recommend only using certified equipment for the service you wish to use.
The rules were updated in 2017 and as you pointed out FRS can now use 2 watts ERP (Effective Radiated Power) on FRS for Channels 1-7 and channels 15-22 but only .5 watts on channels 8-14. The only reason to use the low power channels might be for stealth reasons so others can not copy your signal and the target receiving station is very close. Even at 2 watts (or 5 watts) the range can be very limited, sometimes less than a mile depending upon obstructions.
Licensed GMRS users can operate on the same channels as FRS if they have an HT form factor radio but must abide by the .5 watts on cannels 8-14. They are allowed to use up to 5 watts ERP on channels 1-7 and most are designed similarly for channels 15-22. If you are using a base or mobile type GMRS radio, you can operate up to 50 watts output (not ERP), on channels 15-22, and 5 watts ERP on 1-7 but you can not operate on 8-14. Since you can use detachable antennas and the antennas can be at significant heights and have gain, such as at base stations, this greatly increases range, even between a base and mobile or FRS. With my base GMRS radio, with a 40 foot tower and gain antenna, I have easily talked to FRS users nearly 10 miles away if they are along the ridge. Of course GMRS can also use repeaters that extend range much, much farther, IF you happen to be lucky and have a repeater in the area.
To make it clear, the only reason for the privacy tones is so that you don't have to listen to others using the frequency. This also means that if you have a tone set and some other party calls for help, you would not hear them. I monitor GMRS frequencies quite often with no tones, and living on a rural farm I mostly only hear kids with FRS or some workers along the highway using HT's, and sometimes hunters.
GMRS HT's can transmit on 8-14, at half a watt, but mobiles can't reach that low.
Come on, 7 years in federal prison, ax murderers don’t get that much time.
@@bulldogbrower6732 You'll be happy when he gets paroled, too. Radio offenders is considered as 'stoolies'.
Can you communicate with gmrs radios from the frs radios on the shared channels?
Absolutely. Short version is channels 1-7 and then 15-22 match between FRS and GMRS. This goes for modern FRS / GMRS, some older radios had their own channel maps.
Channels 1-22 are shared by both services. However GMRS can use wide band, and FRS uses Narrow Band.
Yep if you have the programming equipment and ONLY if they are operating in the ham radio bands and you have a license (if you are a by the letter of the rules person). However in reality the FCC is a big bag of hot air with no strong enforcement anymore. Sure they will go after a pirate FM station because FM band is prime real-estate. Same applies for the cellular and TV bands. Those users have big $$$$ and the FCC knows they can collect. Every once in a while they will go after some tacticool baofeng owner who is a licensed tech ham ,,or some airsoft playing preppers interfering with local public services or railroads.
Part 95 equipment is generally Channelized, meaning the FCC as allocated frequencies and set them into channels for you. You can see this with FRS, GMRS, MURS, and CB radios
There are dual certified radios of the past that are perfectly legal, Motorola 1225 (non LS. The LS radios are trunking and are only part 90) series is one
The thing people LOVE to throw up is the Part 90 vs Part 95 rules regarding GMRS/FRS and other radios like say a Motorola APX8000. RF speaking YES those radios can and will work together and truth be told the APX will have better filtering than the big box store FRS/GMRS radios do. What makes the APX "illegal" is the fact it is multi band, can be set up for direct entry programming, and does digital and trunking modes (the whole emissions thing). So what about a Chinafeng or Japaseu ham radio? Well those are part 97 which is well ham radio. Same thing applies there minus the emissions and more focused on the fact they can be direct entry keypad programmable and are multi band. It's all a bunch of red tape really and these days the ONLY people who care about what radio you use are the ham guys. The reality is that people will use what fits their budget be it a set of FRS radios, GMRS radios, MURS radios or second hand dirt cheap 800 MHz radios and most will not bother with a license either because the use does not justify the cost if you only use radios once a year for some camping trip or whatever. This is also where the "get your ham license" trap starts being activated too. People will say "Get your ham license, it's a great hobby" and it is a great hobby, but these people do this with no real consideration if the user is actually looking for a radio hobby, The ham community with ARRL (in the USA) wants those member numbers UP, it's like a MSM rating system where the numbers matter not the people. If you do not want a ham radio hobby then why bother with a ham license, it makes no logical sense really besides the cellular infrastructure has proven itself to be a resource worth gold in times of distress. Hell in Ukraine right now (2022) in a literal warzone, cellular services are still working for the most part. Yes there are outages but only in the worst areas but also there are no ham radios transmitting either from there either. Point is simply this, Cell providers have millions if not billions to throw into R&D and construction of their infrastructure, hams do not. Yes cell has dead spots out in the boonies but so does ham, unless you want to lug an HF rig around.. Each system has it's place though, That is the simple explanation.
At the end of the day, it's YOUR money you throw into radios, do what YOU want with them, just be aware that there is a possibility you maybe could get into some trouble if you are not experienced in how to program and use certain radios.
Use your Baofeng to tell a hamster 'good morning'. They're lonely. Don't expect to see that 300lb porker paddling through the mud with no FRS.
on second though ask the brain sergen running this show did not know you could go
agenst the F C C and have two antenna op's for the radio I have one to use.
Brain SURGEON. You’re welcome.
@@AdventureCruiser You missed 'second though' and 'agenst'.
There is NAC
True, but that isn’t an option on these radios. I’ve only heard of NAC in conjunction with P25. Do you know of other instances where it’s used?
your rocky radio is just another family service unit thay all the same cheep radio to keep tabes on your child as long as he stayes no farther th six blockes a way from home then your under two miles
Mmmmm apx. 😮 ❤
The Motorola is superior to the Chinese Rocky Talkie. Better sound and range
They're claiming compatibility that doesn't exist. Please compare fairly.
Why am I supposed to need 105 non-programmable, privately-numbered "channels" to escape other radio's?
What am I? Frankenstein?
Who's the odd man out? They did those sub-channels to cut costs on firmware, not provide options.
Non-standard tone numbers is a dirty trick. They have no web kiosks in the mountains to look them up, Building all that into a radio with no cross reference is criminal.
Get something like a Baofeng 88 ST Pro, for instance. It does everything these do, and can lock onto channel codes. Even Rocky Talkie codes.
Save enough to hand them out to your friends,. NOAA weather, too. No rubber glove to collect mud...
It's form over function. Still, it's progress. Lock them onto the kids, too 🙂
You bring up a really good point, but the radio does have a display. You also can change any of the privacy tones on any of the channels should you wish to. I ran a frequency counter over the radio, and I believe it’s each batch of 22-ish channels has the same tone on it. They do have standard tones.
all walkie talkies are the same no matter what brand thay are family service is limited to 1/2 watt that it on watts fcc rules
second privet button will only no let some who here you talk to you thay have to lisen only and you are limited to 2miles
becouse two many houses and other buildings will rezest you signel in open two miles or more frs is uhf
the other radios that he showed operate on frequencys out side you radio this should clear things I hold fcc licens
on gmars which is the other half or the radio
i also have a gmrs license
Does having a GMRS license mean something since all you have to do to get one is buy it? FRS is 2 watts now BTW. Has been for years. 22 channels too.
I prefer my comm’s to be digital with AES encryption
Don't forget to mention the Motorola,Bendix King and Yaesu radios are not Type Accepted for use on FRS/GMRS!
Good point, thanks for sharing that.
Nobody cares.
I just want the cheapest easiest to use longest range radio. Why can’t anyone just do a simple video. This is Greek
You from CRO? Best long range handheld is baofeng UV 5r i have it or BF UV82
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There are like 5000 videos about this subject and I think this is the worst one of all. I disliked it twice
You need to check out the Baofeng GT-22 (FRS radio). It is the only FRS radio that I have found that you need to program.