Absolutely! Kudos to Tangent for adding the era specific on the packaging, but hopefully they also carry this over to the specs for the online retailers being that most of our shopping is done online! These reviews are so helpfully! Thanks Dan!!
It would be great if that information was put in the description, so maybe online stores could cut and paste it. I'm not that familiar with European trains, but it seems like they do have an Era system that at least gives you a general idea of when a specific piece of equipment was run. It seems to be a standard practice and shows up in online stores. It would be nice if we had something like that here. Thanks for watching!
I have no intentions of buying this, I just really enjoy watching your reviews. Well edited, to the point, very honest, and you always give solutions to the issues. Love it! Well done.
My only real experience with actual coal was a few years ago when I got a cab ride on the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad's 734. The dust went everywhere. It was a great experience though. Thanks for watching!
Well this is my hobby shop !!! I also live close by (closer to Greensboro, NC). I had several of these cars and Tangent mailed me replacement wheels and I'll mailed back the original trucks. Nice review. Nice job, Jacky and John at Mike's Trains !!!!!!!
I'm glad you liked the review. If I ever visit that area I'll be sure to check out the hobby shop. I'm glad Tangent is willing to take care of issues like that. Thanks for watching!
Well done video Daniel. Even though I model in N scale, I have found that I always learn at least one new thing watching your HO product review videos.
What a beauty, particularly the grab iron and rivet detail. I guess a set of stirrup steps could be scratch built from flattened brass wire to improve the looks?
Yes, it would be a lot of work but it could be done. I think K&S has flat brass stock. They might have sizes small enough for something like that. It would at least save the work of flattening round wire. Thanks for watching!
Be really interesting to see a review on the Exactrail open hoppers, and their recent run of reefers. I've had some minor derailment issues with the hoppers and significant derailment issues with the reefers.
I have some of the ExactRail hoppers. I could maybe do a retro review on one of them. I have some of their beer cars and maybe one of the modern refrigerators I could also look at. Thanks for the suggestions!
Interesting model, I find tangent cool for being really good model makers, their PS-2CD 4750 hopper and trucks are reaĺly well made and have a lot of variety, I do wish them would make modernized trucks (old friction bearing truck with journal boxes but with retrofitted roller bearings). Dan, if possible could you do a review on the Hi-Tech Details GE cab kit? I've been thinking of getting one of those for a project but I haven't been able to find many pics of it or people that I know that have worked with it, so I want to know what I'm getting myself into and what kind of problem I'm gonna have to tackle since it would be my first cab kit.
I have quite a few Tangent cars and generally like them. This is the only one I can recall that had issues with rolling. I have one of the Hi-Tech Details GE cabs that I got thinking I might use it on my Cotton Belt B30-7 that I'm working on for the consist build series. I ended up modifying the stock cab, though. I don't really have anything else to use it on right now. It looks similar in concept to the Cannon EMD cab kits, if you've seen those. I will be doing a couple of those for the SD45s in the consist build. Thanks for watching!
@@beeble2003 the PS-2s did in fact came out new with rollers. Tangent just has such a varied selection of trucks on their website that it strikes me as a bit odd that they don't produce modernised ones at all.
Where did you get the thrust washers? I've used the Kadee fiber washers mostly in the past. There must be something about Kadee couplers that they almost are never at the right height.
The washers were from a variety pack of different sized washers that I got from NWSL years ago. I picked those because they had a big enough hole to fit over the bolsters. The Kadee fiber washers might also work. Sometimes I have to file them on the inside since the holes are sometimes too small. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi Good to know. NWSL was going out of business a year or so ago, but someone took it over and getting it's product line slowly restored. Perhaps they will have the washers. I've been using the Kadee fiber washers since the 80's and they work well, but sometimes I've had to ream them out to fit over the boss. I've even made washers out of thin sheet plastic when the thinnest of the KD washers was a bit too much.
Given the pulling power of modern HO scale locomotives(4-5 ounces), I dont think rolling resistance should be a problem even with 40 or 50 car hauls. Poor track is a far greater problem
True, and you can always add more diesels, but I was also thinking of how the train might work around curves. Too much resistance might make the train more prone to string-line derailments. Thanks for watching!
Hi Dan, very good report on Tangent hopper. Regarding the biggest issue here, WHY do manufacturers are not simply molding the wheels and axles in one metal piece including the end caps ? I think it would help very much to : ONE stop loosing the plastic caps and TWO, get a better free rolling of the trucks (metal on plastic). Tangent cars are nearly the cream of models to my opinion. But it's a shame when you buy a car and there are many issues like you had with yours. Considering the sale's price... I really like how manufacturers are pushing forward on details but should the main think on a model car is suppose to be how it performs on rail first ?
It would be nice if the end caps were part of the axle. My guess is that the wheels and axles are machined, and it would be difficult to put the details on the end cap with that kind of process. The detail is neat, but if it causes problems (or if they're constantly falling off), then I agree that the operation of the car should come first. If I had to choose between the detail and good operation, I'd choose operation. Thanks for watching!
If you want to build a solid and reliable coal train hunt down old Athearn or Bev Bel cars at shows or on eBay. To me these cars from tangent are the mix freight type, or for those with the cash to back up the full train worth.
Yes, it's a really nice looking model. I checked a couple of my Tangent UP hoppers and they have more conventional trucks, and roll really well. It's too bad the trucks on this car had issues. Thanks for watching!
That is one advantage of focusing on a specific area and time period, it helps us to resist the urge to want everything that comes out. Thanks for watching!
Gotta say, good catch on spotting the tackboard/stencil swap, and good call on saying that's too minor to penalize.
I'm glad you liked the review. Thanks for watching!
Absolutely! Kudos to Tangent for adding the era specific on the packaging, but hopefully they also carry this over to the specs for the online retailers being that most of our shopping is done online! These reviews are so helpfully! Thanks Dan!!
It would be great if that information was put in the description, so maybe online stores could cut and paste it. I'm not that familiar with European trains, but it seems like they do have an Era system that at least gives you a general idea of when a specific piece of equipment was run. It seems to be a standard practice and shows up in online stores. It would be nice if we had something like that here. Thanks for watching!
I have no intentions of buying this, I just really enjoy watching your reviews. Well edited, to the point, very honest, and you always give solutions to the issues. Love it! Well done.
That's so nice to hear. I'm glad you like my review format. Thanks for watching!
Thats cool, I am from Thomasville, NC! I live 5 miles away from there now!!
If I'm ever in the area I'm going to make sure to visit that hobby shop. Thanks for watching!
Thanks Dan for another thoughtful video.
You're welcome. I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!
Another Great .. from Daniel..
I believe coal can be burned with no visible particulates emitted from chimney..Scrubbers is the answer..Ive seen it ..
My only real experience with actual coal was a few years ago when I got a cab ride on the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad's 734. The dust went everywhere. It was a great experience though. Thanks for watching!
Well this is my hobby shop !!! I also live close by (closer to Greensboro, NC). I had several of these cars and Tangent mailed me replacement wheels and I'll mailed back the original trucks. Nice review. Nice job, Jacky and John at Mike's Trains !!!!!!!
I'm glad you liked the review. If I ever visit that area I'll be sure to check out the hobby shop. I'm glad Tangent is willing to take care of issues like that. Thanks for watching!
Well done video Daniel. Even though I model in N scale, I have found that I always learn at least one new thing watching your HO product review videos.
I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!
Hi Dan. Great video
I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!
What a beauty, particularly the grab iron and rivet detail. I guess a set of stirrup steps could be scratch built from flattened brass wire to improve the looks?
Yes, it would be a lot of work but it could be done. I think K&S has flat brass stock. They might have sizes small enough for something like that. It would at least save the work of flattening round wire. Thanks for watching!
I'm sure one of the detail parts companies must sell appropriate stirrups.
Although I do not agree with some of the deductions, still a nice episode Dan.
I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!
Good old Southern Railway
Yes. I though this was cool since I only have a couple other pieces of Southern rolling stock. Thanks for watching!
Be really interesting to see a review on the Exactrail open hoppers, and their recent run of reefers. I've had some minor derailment issues with the hoppers and significant derailment issues with the reefers.
I have some of the ExactRail hoppers. I could maybe do a retro review on one of them. I have some of their beer cars and maybe one of the modern refrigerators I could also look at. Thanks for the suggestions!
Super 👍
Thanks so much!
Interesting model, I find tangent cool for being really good model makers, their PS-2CD 4750 hopper and trucks are reaĺly well made and have a lot of variety, I do wish them would make modernized trucks (old friction bearing truck with journal boxes but with retrofitted roller bearings).
Dan, if possible could you do a review on the Hi-Tech Details GE cab kit? I've been thinking of getting one of those for a project but I haven't been able to find many pics of it or people that I know that have worked with it, so I want to know what I'm getting myself into and what kind of problem I'm gonna have to tackle since it would be my first cab kit.
I have quite a few Tangent cars and generally like them. This is the only one I can recall that had issues with rolling. I have one of the Hi-Tech Details GE cabs that I got thinking I might use it on my Cotton Belt B30-7 that I'm working on for the consist build series. I ended up modifying the stock cab, though. I don't really have anything else to use it on right now. It looks similar in concept to the Cannon EMD cab kits, if you've seen those. I will be doing a couple of those for the SD45s in the consist build. Thanks for watching!
Weren't the PS-2CD 4750s built new with roller bearings? (Or was your request for modernized trucks a separate thing from the hoppers?)
@@beeble2003 the PS-2s did in fact came out new with rollers.
Tangent just has such a varied selection of trucks on their website that it strikes me as a bit odd that they don't produce modernised ones at all.
@@fernandomarques5166 OK, makes sense. And I agree it's strange that Tangent don't make them.
Where did you get the thrust washers? I've used the Kadee fiber washers mostly in the past. There must be something about Kadee couplers that they almost are never at the right height.
The washers were from a variety pack of different sized washers that I got from NWSL years ago. I picked those because they had a big enough hole to fit over the bolsters. The Kadee fiber washers might also work. Sometimes I have to file them on the inside since the holes are sometimes too small. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi Good to know. NWSL was going out of business a year or so ago, but someone took it over and getting it's product line slowly restored. Perhaps they will have the washers. I've been using the Kadee fiber washers since the 80's and they work well, but sometimes I've had to ream them out to fit over the boss. I've even made washers out of thin sheet plastic when the thinnest of the KD washers was a bit too much.
Given the pulling power of modern HO scale locomotives(4-5 ounces), I dont think rolling resistance should be a problem even with 40 or 50 car hauls. Poor track is a far greater problem
True, and you can always add more diesels, but I was also thinking of how the train might work around curves. Too much resistance might make the train more prone to string-line derailments. Thanks for watching!
Hi Dan, very good report on Tangent hopper. Regarding the biggest issue here, WHY do manufacturers are not simply molding the wheels and axles in one metal piece including the end caps ? I think it would help very much to : ONE stop loosing the plastic caps and TWO, get a better free rolling of the trucks (metal on plastic). Tangent cars are nearly the cream of models to my opinion. But it's a shame when you buy a car and there are many issues like you had with yours. Considering the sale's price... I really like how manufacturers are pushing forward on details but should the main think on a model car is suppose to be how it performs on rail first ?
It would be nice if the end caps were part of the axle. My guess is that the wheels and axles are machined, and it would be difficult to put the details on the end cap with that kind of process. The detail is neat, but if it causes problems (or if they're constantly falling off), then I agree that the operation of the car should come first. If I had to choose between the detail and good operation, I'd choose operation. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi Right, the wheels and axles are machined, not moulded, and I don't see how they could get end caps with that kins of process.
A nice model but at $40 each it's going to get very expensive to model even a moderate coal train ☹️
Yes, it would get expensive. Super detailed cars seem to come with super prices. Thanks for watching!
Try $58.95 for Arrowhead Models latest coal cars. Everything is going up uP UP! Prices getting more supper all the time.
If you want to build a solid and reliable coal train hunt down old Athearn or Bev Bel cars at shows or on eBay. To me these cars from tangent are the mix freight type, or for those with the cash to back up the full train worth.
Tangent does a good job but this product has quite a bit of problems to it. Such a shame for an awesome looking coal hopper
Yes, it's a really nice looking model. I checked a couple of my Tangent UP hoppers and they have more conventional trucks, and roll really well. It's too bad the trucks on this car had issues. Thanks for watching!
I will skip this model, due to the fact that this model was poorly made. Thanks for the review!!!
Guessing these hoppers are not needful to you anyway.
You're welcome. I'm glad you found the review useful. Thanks for watching!
Eh It's a model 8 years too late for my era.
That is one advantage of focusing on a specific area and time period, it helps us to resist the urge to want everything that comes out. Thanks for watching!