I think he didn't want to be associated with Taylor publicly and I can understand that. He was back then a new actor, trying to build his name, if he talked about Taylor, who is infinitely bigger than him, what then? People would accuse him of using her name for clout, for work opportunities. They already do that and he barely spoke of her publicly.
Honestly, I've always hated people saying he's trying to get famous through her or he is annoyed by how she is a lot more famous than him. He literally did the least he could possibly have done for his public image with this relationship. A selfie together from time to time would already have attracted so much more attention to him, yet he didn't even do that, and that really also would have been nothing. With how cruel tabloids can be and how crazy some fans are, I get he tried his very best to keep the entire relationship behind closed doors
That is so true, he actually had to be private or people would have accused him of that, but that can happen with anyone who dates someone that is more famous or richer than they are. People are suspicious, but sadly they learn to be that way from the many who take advantage and use people for gain.
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
If Joe was a girl and Taylor was a boy, no one would have a problem right? Men generally have a ego of mountain and can’t stand successful woman. pERIOd
(I'm literally 5 minutes into the video so this might be addressed later but) I just want to note that I think it mostly just depends on their personalities. Taylor has always been very talkative and enthusiastic and Joe is just... kinda quiet, I think. If you watch any interviews where he isn't talking about Taylor, he also gives one-word answers, is kind of dismissive -- I think he's just a quiet, "shy" person. And also, we shouldn't forget that, while for Taylor, questions about Joe are rare, Alwyn probably gets asked about Taylor ALL THE TIME, because, again, he's just *some guy*. I suppose it must get annoying after a while, and then the answers start to get shorter and more dismissive. I don't know, I might be wrong tho. + I wanna add that Taylor probably has more opportunities to talk about him, as she gets interviewed more often. Joe probably gets like 2 interviews a year or sumn idk
This exactly. I also find it really annoying when people act like there is one way to react to things. Like, "if you were *really* in love you would be like this." Dude just strikes me as uncomfortable in interview settings. There's nothing wrong with that.
I think Joe gave her a normal life and was a true friend and because of her career and what she is worth it will be very hard for anyone to be in a relationship with her as everyone will be saying she has a better career Joe is a actor and was a actor before he met Taylor and he is a person who does not want to be in the limelight all the time I think Joe wants to succeed on his own and does not want to be using his relationship with Taylor to achieve his success And it looks that Taylor was maybe more into her relationship with Joe And if he always talked about Taylor you would be blaming him for jumping on the bandwagon It seems no matter what he says it is a fault and Taylor wanted to keep their relationship private but then she went on to talk about it It is very hard to please both you and Taylor she was in a relationship with someone normal which I think helped her reputation and steady her life Taylor was having so many break in the four or five years before she met Joe And so what she is a a very good singer and had a very active love life and who knows where she would have been if she had not had a steady solid relationship And I think that is what attracted Taylor to Joe because he is a private person and you have talked the biggest load of rubbish and are just jealous of his relationship with Taylor If she wanted Joe to talk more about their relationship they would have spilt up before now Again I don't think Taylor will find another person who will respect her wishes and give her a peace and stability like Joe We don't know who decided to part or maybe they have decided between themselves and realised that it had come to a end and they say it is because of their careers that they are both busy so Joe has a career to not as big or has the same money but he is his own man and does not live of Taylor and wants to make his own career and money But Taylor has had a seventeen years of a career and Joe has only half of them I wonder how in another eight or nine years where Joe will be I hope he will have a successful career and a wife and family Taylor is going to be like Paris Hilton and leave it to late to have a normal family life all the success and money and trophies and awards does not makeup for the happiness of having someone by your side I wish Taylor all the success in her career and life
I love Taylor, but he was very clearly uncomfortable speaking about their relationships, and honestly, we aren't owed a single detail on their relationships that's their life.
@@what5475 Okay so? I’m a swiftie as well and I also have a huge celeb crush on Taylor, but does that give me the right to shit on her partner that LITERALLY HASN’T DONE ANYTHING WRONG as far as we know, just because there is an unconfirmed rumor about their possible breakup? Yall gotta start using your brains, people
@@einhorntaschentuch9404 IKR? LMAOO when I saw SO MANY headlines I got scared. But then I saw the proof : Oh taylor changed invisible string to the 1 on her tour set list and I was like 😐😐
I mean I’m not a super big fan of her (I love her but I don’t really listen to her music or keep up with her life), but I do think his lack of details or even emotions and facial expressions in response to questions about her is disappointing and weird. Idk, he should at least be okay with some of these questions😭
The guy is very private, very secretive about his life, whereas Taylor is someone who wrote soooo many songs about her past relationships and past breakups. I can imagine how he didnt want to start discussing their relationship, or talking about Taylor herself, for fear he'd spiral down this media rabbit hole where he'd have to reveal more and more things about their private life. I think its just how he functions.
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
@@laclochard Here no one was the bad one or the good one, it was very obvious that it was not compatible, because of the lifestyle and way of seeing life. Taylor can't have a private life, because she is very famous, and her music is based on love and heartbreak. Her ex, wants a quiet life, that relationship just destined to fail.
@@laclochard In my opinion you need have things in common with your partner to make it work, opposites can be attracted but love is not enough. Sometimes I think that Taylor Swift idealises her partners, she falls in love with that man a lot, but that guy doesn't. We can see it with all her partners, she really fall in love, but sometimes people get scared with that.
Honestly I'm starting to think Midnights was like a goodbye album. Like the relationship was already mentally over-they just hadn't physically separated yet because they were trying to make something impossible work.
I believe the William Bowery pseudonym was just as much for Taylor's benefit as Joe's. It allowed the music they wrote together to start off as equal as to her other songs. Without any "oh you let your BOYFRIEND hitch a ride on your song to get a Grammy?" She got to explain who he was & the work he did in one breath instead of having to correct people's assumptions. Joe got to have his writing ability judged by the public without the shield of being Taylor's partner. Then once the songs were loved by their listeners it became an open secret.
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
@@laclochard Admit it, you're undoubtedly biased. You are the one blaming Joe and bringing up the same arguments over and over again. He DID care and support her, and judging by her songs and even her Netflix documentary, Taylor is literally aware of this. You're already drawing conclusions about the relationship even though we don't know the details and don't even know whether the rumours are real or not beyond a few lines from an unknown source. You're the one who's twisting his words. It's already difficult that something so private to both Taylor and Joe is being milked, and now you're criticizing one of them, when it's really none of our business.
16:04 I do think it doesn’t matter. If Joe had a hard boundary that he didn’t want to talk about his private relationship to the press, I don’t think it’s fair of fans or the public to look at that and assume that that means that he wasn’t a good partner. When it comes down to it, we have no idea who celebrities are behind closed doors nor what their relationships are like.
People including in this video project their feelings about relationships into a celebrity's relationship (I would do all this in my relationship; my partner would be expected to do this) and crucify that person for not public gushing . Everyone projecting fails to understand how gushing about one of the world's famous woman supplies endless fodder for tabloids that comes back to tarnish Taylor's image as well as that of her partner ; it has been 7 years so people have forgotten Hiddleswift
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
one of them had had 20 years of media training and has so much experience navigating public romantic relationships and one of them literally is a small indie actor who has never had any public relationship before and is obviously very uncomfortable being asked personal questions? i think it's really strange to analyze someone's intimate relationship based on how people act when they're placed in a small room being caught off guard and a camera in their face being asked personal questions by strangers. the reason taylor liked joe (from what we know based on songs) is that he was so normal and made her feel normal. he was uncomfortable answering questions because he wanted it to be normal and not sensationalized by the media, he knew if he gave them anything more they'd just want more and more all the time. it's wild to say you're a fan of taylor and then immediately do something she's been vocal about hating, which is make assumptions about her and a relationships when it's none of our business.
Well said- especially about the media training; she also writes about her love life and hence is asked these questions. For him except for his work on Folklore/ Evermore, there was no need to answer any of the personal questions
The media training is also exactly what I am thinking about. I can imagine if he decided to reveal something about their relationship, he would instantly regret it since he probably doesn't really know how to navigate these situations spontaneously. Also, altough it might be boring for the fans, he is in his full right to not have his private feelings be public domain at all. The question about his favourite song could have been scrutinised to death if he had given a substantial answer. In the end, the sad thing is, he tries to be quiet to probably avoid all of this scrutiny, yet, his silence ends up being subjected to it
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
From the very limited insight we have into how their relationship was and everything, I think Joe kept so hush-hush during the interviews so that way the Press would have a lot less to work with to spin his interviews negatively and I think Taylor is already at the point where she understands that the press and that people can twist anything into whatever they want regardless of what you do or don't give them, so why would she be so withholding about basic details in conversations. And with Joe it's just kind of like how you're saying we already know you're in a long-term committed relationship would it really hurt to praise your significant other instead of speaking about it literally as little as physically possible. like when he does that it just comes across as him preparing for the end you know like preparing for those ex compilation videos. Anyway I don't believe either them owe us anyting because of the public context of the relationship whether that be an explanation or clarification and I hope we can all give them the Privacy they deserve. thank you Cooper for another great video! hope you have a great week!! And a tipsy tier list w Taylor or harry would be so fun! Would her acting in her own music videos be a part of that list?
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
@@sacredsunflower8930 omg me too! She would have never walked, she was clear that he was her end game. Dude didn't want to be supportive of her doing the best at her job. I'd have stood by my girl til the end of time. He dumped her for his mid acting career? 🙄 How banal.
I'm not sure whether it is the culture we are in today or social media but have we become this shallow that we judge if love is real or a relationship is strong/ good by how performative they are in the public eye ? It is better to have someone root for you, support you and stay with you during your darkest times and see you for the real you than a partner who will go gush about you in red carpet interviews or magazine profiles and generate endless news stories and gossip about you This is so unfair to a man who has not dropped his girlfriend's name to gain clout/ media attention . Even without him using her name, he made headlines for something like refusing to say if he was engaged or not.
Also if anyone wants to go see what happens when you gush about Taylor as a girlfriend, go see all the Hiddleswift coverage and the ruthless articles that came out of Tom's interviews. Joe and Taylor clearly didnt want that happening
Wow you are everywhere pushing that narrative that a man deserves a prize for being with a woman who is going through a bad patch, like that's just life. You have misogynystic views and seem to be pressed an excusing this man's behaviour. I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
@@laclochard I choose not to engage with trolls. I am a Taylor fan but dont stand for villainising anyone especially when she has said nothing. Assuming so much on her behalf is you treating her like a child rather than the empowered superstar woman she is
@@gilbertanne88 Now you call a woman with an opinion that you don't like 'a troll', you just keep being more an more misogynystic. And now even mansplaining about what an empowered women is. You are talking as if Taylor is not human. You have been making excuses for this man everywhere with your misogynistic comments projecting your own insecurities as a man and defending him because of that. And I will say whatever I want no matter how much misogynystic men like you would wish women didn't have a voice.
Imagine being artist who’s passionate about your work, and being engaged to an already successful artist, and all anyone ever talks about when interviewing you on your work is your more famous partner, and then when you break up people dismiss all of your achievements and call you an unsupportive partner, like truly this is insane behavior why would you make this? Especially when we have no idea why they broke up and it’s none of our business? Maybe he just wanted to be seen as his own artist and not as Taylor’s boyfriend, and you’re likely engaging in identical behavior to the people interviewing him.
Joe supported Taylor through one of the darkest periods of her life and arguably the darkest period in her career. I absolutely do think Joe is boring and I have zero interest in himself or his career, however, I don’t think this video is very fair. Words are Taylor’s job. She is a writer, a poet, a wordsmith. Joe just isn’t. Taylor is incredibly media trained and knows exactly how much to say, what to leave out and how to make it sound good. Joe doesn’t have that kind of training and he isn’t invested in the celebrity lifestyle. To protect Taylor he had to be guarded.
Shut the fuck up what a stupid take protect her from what???? Did you not hear ylm renegade and so long London that man wasn’t the perfect angel you think he is he emotionally abandoned the relationship and left her to carry it all alone
Look up the definition of anti social. Also, Joe is media trained from University, and knows when not to answer nosy media questions, and Taylor can talk too much. There are dozens of examples where she misspoke and caused an uproar on social media.
Listen I know Taylor Swift is a goddess and everything and I really admire her a lot, but let's be real here - it's kind of funny how swifties are turning their backs on Joe the moment the breakup news broke out. Let's be real here, a relationship has two sides and if the split up really was amicable, that means none of them were the villain here. Once again regarding this "he's poor", "he's just an actor" these are very very hurtful to say to anyone let alone Joe, it's just sad how we can always say something at any given moment without thinking how those words might affect the other person. Yes, it's okay to support Taylor but you have to be respectful to the other person involved here as well because they too, are a person with emotions and feelings and you don't really know what's going on in their lives. And about the public comments, Joe Alwyn, from my understanding, is someone who gives his privacy a lot of importance and so, doesn't like talking about his personal life. We don't really know how he was behind closed doors, but from her songs, we can clearly see he supported her during one of the hardest times of her life. Another point that I'd like to add is that Joe Alwyn almost always got asked about Taylor in his solo works and even when he was out and about, fans were asking him about Taylor. Even the comments under his solo works you can see almost all of them are somehow related to him being about "Taylor's Boyfriend" or "nepo bf" and that must really hurt lmao.
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
@@laclochard you truly do not know about their relationship enough to make an assumption like that. Were you inside of their home, do you know the ins and outs of their relationship? No you don’t. There are two sides to every story, I love Taylor but we can’t hate on joe just because they are now broken up. These things happen and there isn’t always a villain. He doesn’t deserve that and it’s embarrassing for Taylor. That is end of story.
@@anahitak6677 I love how didn't deny anything that I said. Does this guy pay you to defend him? Do you personally know him to know that he's actually such a generous person to Taylor and who is comfortable with her successful despite giving all signs of the opposite?
@@laclochard i clearly do not see how he came across as "bitter" but alright, you do you. and i simply do not want to make any assumptions about how their relationship was and i have said it myself that we do not know how he is behind closed doors but from what we have heard from ts in songs, he does seem like a good guy. yes, a part of the reason must be because she loves him and she has loved him for 6 years. that does matter at the end of the day. now ts is a very smart person and a woman who definitely knows her worth, i dont think if he did something wrong she would've really let it go (as she should). from what i can understand seeing their public appearances and reports and all that, they both want to move on from this and so let them be. i will not bother to reply to this anymore, as i've said my part.
@@godhuliadeyadhora4777 you keep defending this man you don't know anything about except his extreme and public absolute disregard for Taylor during YEARS
God this really doesn't sit right with me, i know this video is lighthearted and all but I hate how now they've broken up all the Swifties are hating on Joe and picking apart everything about him/who he is. I get it's from a place of loving Taylor but jeez this was the same man you were praising for being so amazing for taylor for the last 6 year. At the end of the day we do not know what went down, all we know is what beautiful things Taylor has written in songs and said about him- about how amazing he has been for her. Pairing that with the fact they apparently broke up amicably, ppl starting to randomly hate on him just shows how toxic swifies can be when they insert themselves so much into this parasocial relationship with taylor. Like lets pls not do a repeat of 1989 era, lets grow up and respect celebrities boundaries.
@@Jigglexphysics Now, with social media, every fandom that gets big enough will grow toxic, it's inevitable. People who are totally unsocialized and before the internet would've had a very small platform to spew their ridiculous thoughts since they probably didn't have many friends (due to being assholes, not any other reason) now have the eyes of the whole world. Absolutely radical, batshit opinions rise to the top of the algorithm.
Talking the truth about this man is not being toxic. Of course the fans wanted them to be together. But je has been disappointing and it is the right time to talk about all the things that were shady about him. He never loved her for who she is. He was borderline trying to make as if she didn't even exist in her life, he would not even once just say that he loved her after years together. He wanted her to exist less, and the sad thing is she tried. Stop making excuses for this man. Taylor deserved better and that's the truth.
Everyone has her on a pedestal and that's okay bc she's talented, but he didn't and maybe she actually liked that. It makes sense if she didn't want to feel like she was dating a fan. To each their own
All of this Joe Alwyn hate is unnecessary and petty. Joe is an actor, Taylor has NOTHING to do with his work. Asking him questions about his love-life is invasive, he is incredibly private and if he doesn't want to divulge in personal information, if he doesn't want to answer them, he doesn't have to. Taylor is a musician, of course she's going to talk about him more, he's the muse of so many of her songs. Taylor is more well known, he doesn't want his career to become about her, which is fair. You can't assume that Joe is at fault just because you love Taylor. I'm such a massive Taylor fan but I will say, we never got Joe's side of the story, and we may never get it. At the end of the day, we aren't owed Joe's side, and we aren't owed an explanation to why the relationship went awry. If Taylor and Joe wanted their relationship to be private, it's safe to say that their break up should be given the same respect. A breakup is extremely painful, especially one of 6 years. All of this media attention and speculation in the comments is so disrespectful. Give them time to grieve the loss of something so painful. Sure, they're both public figures, but they're also both humans who are probably going through a terrible time.
@sateayamkremes BUT STILL STUPID. Imagine how many people lack the ability to think for themselves and they have to be fed by anyone how to feel with someone. --that's how stupid it is.
This is so weird. Ya’ll hated on Tom Hiddleston for using Taylor to enhance his own fame, and now you hate on Joe for clearly NOT using Taylor in that way? Don’t you think it would’ve been way worse if Joe was constantly dropping her name and using her to advance his career? Swifties are just so programmed to automatically hate and bully any of Taylor’s exes. Like she’s not saint, and Joes not perfect either but hating him just for being a private reserved person? It’s giving parasocial stalker vibes
@@laclochard im not trying to be rude but could you please give Specific examples of what you think makes him sound bitter? genuinely, i am autistic, I cannot tell what you're pointing to; my aim is not to cause conflict. The words he is saying are in line with someone who is a bit reserved and/or uncomfortable in interviews. He isn't saying much, and if you ask me to come up with a reason for that, bitterness seems just as plausible as being shy or trying not to mooch off of Taylor's fame so he can avoid claims of that. He clearly doesn't want to talk about Taylor, but what indicates that it's because of bitterness over wanting to keep his romantic life and work life separate? Apart from the literal words he is speaking, I have no context clues to tell me what the implied reason behind his silence is. This video and your comment are confusing to me because it seems as if you're jumping to the conclusion you want to hear rather than actually explaining why it's more likely than any others, and that is NOT an accusation ofc: I'm explaining what it Looks like because i'm pretty sure it's not what's actually happening. I know I'm missing something here, so this is me asking for clarification on ur perspective instead of just writing it off :] I hope that makes sense, I just genuinely don't get what exactly he's doing that makes dismissiveness more likely than him being a private person. I see no evidence pointing towards Taylor being upset with specifically the way he acts in interviews (for all we know the breakup could be about something in their personal lives we've never seen), but I'm not trying to claim there isn't any there at all. I just need it pointed out, if it exists.
I get what you are saying but also I kinda get why Joe does that?? I'm ab introvert so I always avoid things that could put me in spotlight and the size of Taylor's fandom is too big. He could say one thing and the fandom makes crazy theories about him. So I guess it's kinda understandable why he says so little about their relationship.
@@therapyandfolklore that's not the point? If he gave any fucks about being a high profile celeb then we would've seen him with a different personality already..
Man, watching this video after hearing "you're losing me" definitely puts it in a different light, huh? Like yeah, Cooper, you really hit the nail in the head it seems. It really sucks cause she so deserves to be loved the way she seems to love in her songs (and interviews apparently, my knowledge of their relationship was based mostly on the songs tbh) proudly and loudly. I understand wanting to be your own person, but you could every once in a while acknowledge your partner! Not to villainize Joe, they wouldn't be together for so long if they didn't love each other but they weren't meant to be after all I suppose.
yeah cooper i love you but you're being very harsh, plenty of celebs never talk about their relationships and if taylor wasn't famous nobody would have an issue with the way he talks abt her. he doesn't owe us anything :)
Cooper you do realize that taylor speaks so much about him in the songs is because it's her literal career, right? She makes MUSIC. So she explains it. I bet if she was doing a normal interview maybe related to her role in a movie, she would not entertain questions about her personal life. So no, I think you're very wrong about the whole "not appreciating enough" point. We don't know what taylor wants, maybe she's more comfy about her bf not worshiping or even just talking about her in the interviews? You can't label someone as a bad boyfriend on that kind of an argument. It's kinda stupid tbh
Yes!! Taylor’s way of expressing herself is music, she doesn’t make a song that doesn’t have a meaning, every song she writes has a meaning, and they didn’t really talked about each other, joe loved Taylor, you can see by the way he looks at her, and Taylor’s songs about him says enough about how much she loved him
@@Goth_Bat i never said he didn’t have the right to. personally i wouldn’t talk about my personal life. but he can’t even seem to say anything about her, the person he was engaged to. that’s concerning is all i’m saying
He just wants to keep things private. He's a quiet guy, and that's ok. At the end of the day, we don't know what was going on behind the scenes. The second the news got out that they broke up, people turned against him, completely forgetting all the good he has done for her over the years. In the Miss Americana documentary, she discusses why they want to keep their relationship private. It's understandable why he didn't want to talk about it. I'm sorry Cooper, but this was painful to watch. I feel like most of this was just you being jealous and villainizing him in anyway. Real Swifties know how good Joe is. If you watch the Prime Concert from 2019 (I think) she was looking at him the whole time, singing her love songs directly to him. Just let them live their lives.
No like honestly people will call Joe a clout chaser if he always talks about Taylor. But then when he doesn't he is not into the relationship and dismissive
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
@@potterssgirl Those are literal facts. The rest is mythology. You try and deny what I said point by point. You know you can't because it's just observation.
Here what I’ve been thinking with the new Tay and Travis Kielce stuff. I was never a huge fan of Joe but I always as a swiftie was like ok their relationship is just one of those hidden ones. Whatever. That is fair and happens all the time with celebrities. But then at some point when they were years in and it was like the pandemic and Taylor talked about them writing together and eveyrntkng I was like wow when’s Joe going to talk abt this music with Taylor and the amazing stuff they did together? Never a word. It felt odd? At that point they were in like a 5 year known relationship you can just mention like “oh yeah singing and working with her on that was great!” Then move on? That’s it? Like that’s not invading privacy that’s just professionally shouting out your KNOWN successful girlfriend?? So I wasn’t really surprised when they broke up. Now, as an example I’m gunna use Tom Holland and Zendaya. They’ve also really kept their relationship private. But once it was revealed and after some time of them being in the spotlight together the mentions from both of them became organic to the point where everyone who was dans of them knew “aww they both appreciate each other” without either one of them giving public access to their still private relationship. Tom in his interviews when it comes up organically NEVER misses a beat in mentioning zendaya and how much he is amazed by her always. Like that’s a supportive man. No one needs to know more, but it does seem authentic and nice to see mutual praise you know? So now cut to Travis Kelce, already this short in, one thing I’ve noticed is since then being a public “thing” Travis has MULTIPLE times praised how everyone said good things about her after being at the game, casually just mentions her on the podcast he has with his brother not in an invasive like oh my god Taylor swift way just in a casual way as if Taylor was just his girlfriend he met through a friend and not a global pop star, but always in such a positive light. Like he’s not revealing anything besides just making Taylor a normal human being and giving her that respect you know? Like he knows they’re both all over the media, he’s not giving anything away but he’s also not going “oh I’m not going to say anything about that” instead he’s public ally THANKING HER for coming and seeing him play. He’s publically acknowlging how much the public care about her for good reason. And publicly showing how much he clearly thinks she is amazing and you know what for ONCE she deserves this respect. And so far I’m just happy Travis is showing her this public masculine respect.
I get wanting to be private, but the one that gets me is not answering what your fave Taylor Swift song is. Like, easy out, say they're all wonderful? Say you don't have a favorite? It's giving Losing Me vibes "SAY SOMETHING"
1. Let people have different personalities in peace. 2. He has a right to be private (and he's not a bad person for that). 3. Respect the fact that the "interviews" is him doing work, not making a show of his private life in any way, shape or form. He doesn't owe anything to anybody. 4. Honestly, it has been disgusting when at times women have been dismissed and disregarded because people are only interested in their "famous and talented" partners. It is disgusting now too seeing how dismissive you are of Joe as a person just because he wanted to keep his relationship and his working life separate. But when this is done to men now it is seen as funny and quirky, I don't get it. I found it immensely disrespectful. It just seems Joe is a private and introverted person, is that so hard to grasp and respect? (and I'm a Taylor fan, btw)
@@EmmaSchuren Some celebs acknowledge their SPOUSE once every blue moon. And these are usually the ones that have been together for decades. And this assumption that Joe never spoke of her is false, plus people knew they dated and she sang about their relationship. What more did people want...
He is a great person, and was a great partner taylor dodged questions too, saying things like "You should ask him" We all dodge questions... It's fine, he's just shy, she's just better at answering interview questions because she's been a global sensation for over fifteen years
I don’t think that was an example of her “dodging” the question. I think she didn’t want to speak for him and wanted to give him his own voice and let him discuss his feelings on the matter. Because the question was something like “why did he want to use a synonym” so I think it makes sense she didn’t want to speak for him on the matter.
maybe this is just cuz I'm not a huge swiftie, but idk, I feel like I can kinda sympathize with Joe. I mean, no one really knows the intentions behind his dismissiveness, but maybe he just wanted to avoid an association with her because he didn't want to feel like he was riding along her success. I think it's humble in a way to want your own work to speak for itself, and that would be a bit hard if everyone saw him as "Taylor Swift's Boyfriend." I'm sure it was already hard enough to avoid the "people only care about you because you're dating her" comments. I doubt he had a problem being associated with her, but just didn't want to gain undeserved attention for his relationship rather than his work.
So Joe and Taylor said openly they wanted a private relationship and Joe was the only one that held up his intentions. He's BEEN saying mind your business and he means it. Taylor isn't wrong for showing love publicly, but she or anyone else shouldn't expect the same form Joe because he said he doesn't like the public show. Once he's married, it's too late. She's already showing that she won't keep things private.
Wow. Way to blame a poor girl in love. Edit: please leave the likes at 13. Cause I love my girl and that's HER number. Edit: Joe saw this and fu(ked it up
she never ever says anything about joe she mentions him but she doesn’t post him anywhere and all her songs are about how he makes her feel not about what they do together and i see the way you blame it on her like if a relationship isn’t a mutual thing
@@leomcshizzlepjocastdeserve1631 @elizzybec Your partner's boundaries don't take a back seat to you "being in love." No means no. It's her right to sing about it and speak on it, and it's his right to dump her for it. Mutual agency. 🤷🏾♀️
@@starryizu3678 I'd be surprised if Taylor dumped him with all the chatting she's been doing to the media. If not, then you know she was just monetizing the relationship via music topics and sales of that music.
I usually like Cooper’s content but this is kinda pathetic, it’s making me want to tell him “she’s not gonna get with you dude” because Joe IS an actor, NOT just Taylor’s (ex)boyfriend, when he’s asked if he sings at home he doesn’t have to talk about Taylor because it’s *his* interview, just like how Taylor doesn’t have to bring up Joe whenever she acts. And the fact that he’d rather keep their relationship more private and talk about work when *doing his job* getting interviewed is completely valid, I think it’s stupid to judge someone for keeping quiet when they say their relationship is private, people express their love in different ways, which don’t have to be public. Not to mention how insensitive it is to make a video shitting on a guy going through a very public break up when all we as fans were told is that they ended amicably.
in multiple songs of hers she talks about how joe lets her be a normal person without pressure from media and everyone else but the whole video is just cooper going “but he’s literally dating TAYLOR SWIFT!!!!!” and treating her like a character lmao
I think she was openly complimentary towards him because she has so much fame and success and wants her S.O. or people helping her to share the success. I think he's more dismissive because he wanted to be careful not to be only "Taylor swift's S.O." but instead his own person. Also, the questions directed at her about him were also about her and her music. The questions directed at him about her were pretty much just about her. If he's at a red carpet for something he did, maybe he doesn't want to talk about her acting because this is supposed to be his moment. But every moment is actually Taylor swift's moment and that's gotta be hard to navigate for a relatively unknown actor
You said it yourself. She has always made enormous efforts for him, and he hasn't done it for her. She did so much and it was never enough. He wanted her to exist less, he never liked her being the worldwide superstar that she is.
I don’t find it weird that Joe didn’t comment on their relationship. He was open from the beginning that he wanted it to be private, and that makes sense to me. He seems to be shy, and as an actor that not very well known other than this relationship, the media and some of Taylor’s fans would definitely accuse him of using her for fame. If I was in his position, I would do the same. He’s seen how Taylor’s actions can be misconstrued, and his could be too. There’s nothing wrong with not “gushing” or “worshipping” your partner in public, that doesn’t mean Joe had bad intentions. Again, he didn’t want to be accused of using her for fame, when clearly they were both in love. If they are broken up, I don’t think either party should receive hate for their actions. Just respect them!!
It's still just a rumor. I think it's not okay to speak so bad about Joe. He has done nothing bad, he's just a very private Person and also an introvert. Taylor wrote so many beautiful songs about him and their relationship, it's clear that he made her feel loved and supported her. They wouldn't have been together for 6 years if Taylor wouldn't be happy with him. And maybe they are still a couple, maybe they are even engaged or married. However, it's their life and they have the right to keep it private.
tbh joe is just being british and i think taylor wanted to want to be private more than she naturally is inclined to and had a hard time being so. she realized how toxic the media obsession with her was at the time the relationship started had become and realized for her own sake and the relationship’s she would have to be more private. but comparing her to other celebs who say they refuse to talk to media about their relationships and genuinely stick to their word, you can see a difference because they simply just don’t. which is fine if she doesn’t but it’s clear joe is genuinely a private person and maybe they were just fundamentally incompatible about this.
He was very defensive. I can’t blame him, that’s the first time he dated someone insanely famous. I’m sure he admires her and has a lot of wonderful things to say about her, he just did not want to say anything to the media thinking he was protecting his relationship that way.
I get where ur coming from, but Joe really changed her for the better, he grounded her, brought balance in her life. Taylor today is so so different from Taylor in 2016 and before. She really needed a Joe in her life, he changed her for the better n showed her the real stuff.
Oh come on! She needs nothing... The way you say seems like a woman needs a Man to change her?! This is jus part of growing UP! And yes some people makes us better, but gives a guy ALL this credit is too much...😅
@@almeida5823 No, he's right. It's not because he's a man though. The difference he made on her life was absolutely positive, he did ground her. If it were a woman who did the same thing the comment would still stand. Yes, Taylor has grown up since 2016, but Joe helped her do so. We don't grow up on our own, people impact us and we learn from those experiences. From 2016 to 2023 it is absolutely fair to say that Joe was the major force in her life. Sure she might not have needed him, but we wouldn't have the Taylor we have today without Joe.
@@almeida5823 OP already responded to you, but yes, it's not about him being a man. A lot of us DO need friends, family members, that best friend or sister who make us better people, or help us see life in a different way just by being with us and supporting us. I'm a single woman and I have two best friends who were the "Joe" for me at a time when I was estranged from my family and feeling emotionally unanchored. Specifically those two friends. It doesn't diminish Taylor as a person to have been strongly influenced by someone else in a positive way, even if it's a partner. I understand that modern feminists think women now need NOTHING, but women are still human, sometimes they also need good influences in their life and sometimes they even need people to help them improve and change.
@@almeida5823 He grounded her (in her own words) and gave her what was close to normal as possible; and I am not attributing her success to him but a supportive partner helps to create the environment for the absolute creative streak she has had: 7 albums in 5 years.
Like I think people are taking “private” as like he shouldn’t answer questions which sure is true, but the man didn’t even say “oh yeah she’s wonderful” when given the chance like that’s not not private that’s just saying yeah my girlfriend is great. That’s super normal. I get he was there for her during her worst years with media but after reputation and then into lover era especially you would think that he would eventually throw a nice comment out here and there. I get being shy and or not media trained and different personalities, but even people with these traits can give a well deserved nice comment to their very successful girlfriend. It wouldn’t kill him, and yet now looking back on it it honestly just feels kind of sad to me. I get the Joe appreciation, but I’m also on the side that Joe deserves some scrutiny (not hate) in hindsight of their relationship
Like it's not even a secret relationship at all everyone knows they dating...Taylor wrote like whole album just said something nice would kill him or ruined his so perfect private life😅 and i know he actor and doing some spicy scene so he can't be that awkward and shy....no need to hate him but please sick of these "come back daddy, miss him" Swifties huhhh😫😫
Looking back on the way she talks about their relationship in her songs, I sort of overlooked how much they seem to have fought. Big fights get mentioned all the time, in songs like Cornelia Street, False God, Afterglow, Me!, and The Great War. She also mentioned really resisting getting together with him at first, and not knowing where their relationship is going, like in Dress, Getaway Car, Dancing With Our Hands Tied, Cruel Summer, and Paper Rings. One of the things I've related to most about her songs since getting together with him is how she seemed to struggle to recontextualize the idea of relationships after having been in so many emotionally difficult situations - songs like The Archer, Delicate, Don't Blame Me, and Anti-Hero. I have a theory that to her, he was so incredible because he was the first person who made her feel seen and supported, and he may not have had that same struggle. Maybe the good parts of their relationship didn't surprise him that way. Maybe a misalignment of perspective made the bad parts of the relationship even more difficult. They say the relationship "ran its course". Maybe they grew together enough to realize the problems were something they didn't want to deal with anymore. My point is, I think the relationship can be both good and bad. It can be extremely good that it happened, and also very good that they're both moving on now. Relationships are so difficult and hope they both got a lot out of their time together.
i’m hoping that it’s just rumours. i mean taylor or joe haven’t confirmed anything yet, but i feel like they would have said something if it wasn’t true.
That's why they loved each other for so long cos he was fiercely loyal and would not elaborate on anything to anyone (especially media) about Taylor. Whereas Travis will be with her anywhere and everywhere to get the exposure he craves.
I don’t think he’s a bad person. I think he saw her as a normal person and didn’t want to use her for money or fame which was initially very attractive to her. But then she slowly realized he also wasn’t as into her as he could of been and he almost sort of seems embarrassed that people only think of him as Taylor’s bf and sort of wants people to know him as an individual and for his career as an actor, which is a valid feeling too. But I think at the reputation point in her life it was beneficial for her to have someone who didn’t care about her as a public figure but now she’s more comfortable and realizing she wants someone who publicly admires her more and wants to be seen as her bf and is openly proud of her, which sort of explains her choosing someone controversial who is also famous and clearly not afraid of what people will say about him and openly very complimentary of her and her work
I think Taylor is just good at speaking and expressing herself, and joe is just quiet. And we obviously don't really know ANYTHING about the realities of their relationship. Heartbreak sucks tho, even if you're the world's biggest music artist
I am the worlds biggest swiftie, but i cant imagine how hard dating her must have been. she admitted it herself, she could never give him peace. He made her so happy for so long and i hope both of them are ok.
the fact that you seem to neglect is that taylor swift is a grown woman. it's ridiculous to insinuate that he was a bad person or mistreated her in their relationship because of his PR statements. it might be hard for you to comprehend but you don't know him or taylor. taking out five second youtube clips doesn't mean you know them. listening and dissecting her music doesn't mean you know them. i understand that you want to only ever speak good about taylor, but in this instance, you don't have to put him down to praise her. you don't have to pick sides in an amicable relationship. the way you talk about both of these people (including someone you're a fan of) is incredibly disheartening as it is focusing on such trivial matters and using them to determine whether someone is a good partner or not. the fact is, relationships like these exist behind closed doors much more than they do out in the open. for all we know, joe could've been a perfect boyfriend, and they could've just drifted apart. as someone who deals with shyness, watching you accuse someone of being a bad boyfriend because he's closed off and private makes me entirely uncomfortable. also, if you will, consider how taylor swift would feel about this sort of thing. she's gotten so much backlash in the past for merely having relationships. her exes are always villainized by her fans despite the full story never being known. just because they broke up, doesn't mean you have to hate joe alwyn. he's a real person, not a trend. i love your videos, and your editing style, but this take seems oversimplified and incredibly biased. i feel sorry for both taylor and joe that their existence has to be picked apart this critically.
Yeah I've never heard of Joe before, but I can kinda relate to his awkwardness and the walls he has up for privacy. The part where the interviewer asked him if he ever sings at home? I did not pick up that it was a question meant to get him talking about Taylor. I can kinda see it after it was explained, but questions like that with hidden intentions can be confusing for some people. So seeing him be criticized for not being able to read between the lines felt off. I've been in that position plenty of times. It's incredibly frustrating when people get upset that you dont guess what they really mean instead of just asking a straightforward question. And thats not even getting into the dynamics of celebrity gossip and being a small actor dating a super star. I couldn't imagine being picked apart for maybe awkwardly navigating that mine field. I really enjoy these videos, but I think a lot of the criticisms here unintentionally painted a broad brush over people who are introverted/private/struggle socially.
Wow! That was an amazing video! Incredibly smart, creative, sincere, genuine. I love your take into their story and agree 💯! I'm sure it took a lot of time to research all videos, do the editing, etc. But without you hitting the nail every single time it wouldn't have worked. You've got a new fan!😂🎉
@@janae.nae15I seriously doubt that considering he's giving "obsessively overbearing" energy about taylor all the time. and she was with joe for 6 years lmao
i also think that if joe mentioned taylor in a speech or interview, unlike if taylor mentioned him, it would likely overshadow everything else. because taylor is such a huge star, the interview, or the speech, or the article, would center around her instead of his own work, which im guessing neither taylor nor joe wanted. plus, we know taylor valued the fact that he didn't want the spotlight, look at call it what you want and lavender haze
Tbf, privacy looks different for different people. As long as boundaries weren't crossed, I don't think we should assume how their relationship went. Taylor herself said she didn't want people treating their relationship as gossip, and this is what that feels like.
idk if he brings this up later in the video but I think his reason for not talking about Taylor while she shares more could come down to the fact Joe was never really in the public eye before her while she has had many very public relationships, she was the one to set the boundary of keeping them mostly private so she's the one most comfortable to share things while he would rather altogether avoid the topic of her as to not push her boundaries.
We Stan Joe. If Taylor's songs are anything to go by, we know that he's a good man. We don't know the details yet and he doesn't deserve any criticism whatsoever.
Q: Why do you like Taylor Swift so much? A: I love her because she makes great music and is such a great performer. Her albums are so versatile, ranging from country, pop, and alternative. She is also a great musician who plays guitar, banjo, and piano. Q: Why do you stan Joe Alwyn? A: He is a good partner for Taylor Swift LMAO
countless people have praised their partner and then have it turn out to not be true. and if they are, then you’ll understand where she’s coming from on you’re losing me
Watching this now after she released your losing me on streaming and with her being with Travis Kelce who has consistently praised her for being The Taylor Swift makes me so happy for her
It all sounds like the song tolerate it. Like if you know the song it talks about a girl that gives her pours her whole heart to a guy who just dismisses and scoffs at her efforts. Which is so sad and now listening to songs like lover, dress, etc is just so so sad. I hope she finds someone who shows her off to the world and brags about being with her. You can be private while you do that. Private details can be kept private. I think it's really pretty if you say that you are in love and to let the other person know that too.
i think he didn't want to be known for being her boyfriend or fiancé and that's why he doesn't answer the questions so enthusiastically. everyone in that business would like to be known for their work and not for interpersonal reasons
okay but if he was going around, gushing over her everywhere he went, people would just accuse him of chasing clout and trying to become a nepo boyfriend whatever he would've done throughout the six years of their relationship, people would criticize because this man can't "win" against taylor there's really nothing we know about what came down in their relationship, so we really should just let two adult people end their relationship in a civil way sometimes things just don't work out and it's fine
Ok i get where you are going with this but at the same time there is people who enjoy having a private life and not sharing a lot. My co-workers know i am in a relationship yet i never talk about my partner in from of them a disregard all their questions whenever i see they are curious about something but that doesn’t mean i’m hiding my partner, i just hate sneaky people in my business
I've been voicing these exact sentiments for years but I would get dragged by other Swifties because Taylor's PoV of Joe was rose colored lenses, and "perfect" so fans had Joe on a pedestal and refused to listen to anything but perfect commentary, didn't help either that he was easy to project on because nobody knew one thing about him. It took years to find out the man liked the colour blue. You could tell (just like her previous exes), he wasn't happy with being interlinked with her name, Taylor was; but Joe wasn't and the common ground excuse was "privacy" and maybe he truly was him being uncomfortable for all we know -- but it came off as pretentious and ingenuine at times. Especially when Taylor never shied away about publicly speaking about him and in high praises. I hope whomever Taylor finds in the future actually admires her, and treats her right. I remember years ago she worked with Zac Efron, and for over a decade that man has never shied away from publicly speaking about Taylor Swift. He always spoke about her in awe, and or was cheering for her visibly and didn't care what anyone thought and before Taylor became the big star she is now, Zac was always one of the first people calling her "a legend" … "Angel" and acknowledging her talent. Especially during a peak time where Taylor faced so much misogynist comments, especially from previous exes (John Mayer, for e.g). That's the type of person deserves. Someone willing to be her cheerleader, empathetic to her success and adores her for who she is, and isn't ashamed. Unfortunately that was never Joe, but it's better to break up then go deeper and be miserable as time goes on.
God, this is so devastating when you look at her dating history. All her exes were horrible to her. She finally finds someone she can be with for six years, but the caveat is that it has to be weirdly secrative to the point that he doesn't even seem to be proud to be in her life. I think Joe is a good guy, but the fact that he was THAT opposed to talking about their relationship really speaks to a larger issue. I won't speculate on why exactly he wouldn't divulge even a little bit into his relationship with the biggest pop star in the world. But after having heard You're Losing Me...man he fumbled HARD and its difficult to imagine that he doesn't regret that. I feel genuinely terrible that she told the world that she was so proud to be with her partner, and he wouldn't even give a hint to the public that he liked her. It's just a compatibility problem, but it kills me, and i'm dead
"How long could we be a sad song 'Til we were too far gone to bring back to life? ‼I gave you all my best me's, my endless empathy‼ And all I did was bleed as I tried to be the bravest soldier Fighting in only your army ‼Frontlines, don't you ignore me‼ I'm the best thing at this party (You're losin' me) And I wouldn't marry me either A pathological people pleaser Who only wanted you to see her And I'm fadin', thinkin' "Do something, babe, ‼say something‼"
I think he wanted to talk about his career and movie and didn’t want to seem like he was getting fame for his girlfriend. Joe has been personal about all of his life and I feel like this is why they broke up, the constant talking about taylor swift and not his work. Must have been frustrating.
Ok tbh I've never really cared to google him, but I can see why he would want to keep his identity separate from hers. If he capitalized on associating his name with hers professionally, everyone would call him a clout chaser. I also think she might have been more into him because he treated her less like an adoring fan and more like a normal person.
coopers looks like a fruity history professor in the best way
as someone who has a fruity history professor i can confirm this
real
BAHAHAHA WAIT THATS SO TRUE
LMAOOO
My husband is a history professor 😂
I think he didn't want to be associated with Taylor publicly and I can understand that. He was back then a new actor, trying to build his name, if he talked about Taylor, who is infinitely bigger than him, what then? People would accuse him of using her name for clout, for work opportunities. They already do that and he barely spoke of her publicly.
Honestly, I've always hated people saying he's trying to get famous through her or he is annoyed by how she is a lot more famous than him. He literally did the least he could possibly have done for his public image with this relationship. A selfie together from time to time would already have attracted so much more attention to him, yet he didn't even do that, and that really also would have been nothing. With how cruel tabloids can be and how crazy some fans are, I get he tried his very best to keep the entire relationship behind closed doors
That is so true, he actually had to be private or people would have accused him of that, but that can happen with anyone who dates someone that is more famous or richer than they are. People are suspicious, but sadly they learn to be that way from the many who take advantage and use people for gain.
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
If Joe was a girl and Taylor was a boy, no one would have a problem right? Men generally have a ego of mountain and can’t stand successful woman. pERIOd
@@laclochardOr maybe he left her because of crazy Swift fans. You guys sound a little bitter yourselves. 🙃
(I'm literally 5 minutes into the video so this might be addressed later but) I just want to note that I think it mostly just depends on their personalities. Taylor has always been very talkative and enthusiastic and Joe is just... kinda quiet, I think. If you watch any interviews where he isn't talking about Taylor, he also gives one-word answers, is kind of dismissive -- I think he's just a quiet, "shy" person. And also, we shouldn't forget that, while for Taylor, questions about Joe are rare, Alwyn probably gets asked about Taylor ALL THE TIME, because, again, he's just *some guy*. I suppose it must get annoying after a while, and then the answers start to get shorter and more dismissive. I don't know, I might be wrong tho.
+ I wanna add that Taylor probably has more opportunities to talk about him, as she gets interviewed more often. Joe probably gets like 2 interviews a year or sumn idk
Yes! And also just the difference between americans expressing feelings and brits (not) expressing feelings
Yeah true, I heard someone call him the first ever nepo boyfriend one time😂
This exactly. I also find it really annoying when people act like there is one way to react to things. Like, "if you were *really* in love you would be like this." Dude just strikes me as uncomfortable in interview settings. There's nothing wrong with that.
I think Joe gave her a normal life and was a true friend and because of her career and what she is worth it will be very hard for anyone to be in a relationship with her as everyone will be saying she has a better career
Joe is a actor and was a actor before he met Taylor and he is a person who does not want to be in the limelight all the time
I think Joe wants to succeed on his own and does not want to be using his relationship with Taylor to achieve his success
And it looks that Taylor was maybe more into her relationship with Joe
And if he always talked about Taylor you would be blaming him for jumping on the bandwagon
It seems no matter what he says it is a fault and Taylor wanted to keep their relationship private but then she went on to talk about it
It is very hard to please both you and Taylor she was in a relationship with someone normal which I think helped her reputation and steady her life
Taylor was having so many break in the four or five years before she met Joe
And so what she is a a very good singer and had a very active love life and who knows where she would have been if she had not had a steady solid relationship
And I think that is what attracted Taylor to Joe because he is a private person and you have talked the biggest load of rubbish and are just jealous of his relationship with Taylor
If she wanted Joe to talk more about their relationship they would have spilt up before now
Again I don't think Taylor will find another person who will respect her wishes and give her a peace and stability like Joe
We don't know who decided to part or maybe they have decided between themselves and realised that it had come to a end and they say it is because of their careers that they are both busy so Joe has a career to not as big or has the same money but he is his own man and does not live of Taylor and wants to make his own career and money
But Taylor has had a seventeen years of a career and Joe has only half of them I wonder how in another eight or nine years where Joe will be I hope he will have a successful career and a wife and family
Taylor is going to be like Paris Hilton and leave it to late to have a normal family life all the success and money and trophies and awards does not makeup for the happiness of having someone by your side I wish Taylor all the success in her career and life
@@Rkhfb okay i feel bad for Joe in regards to this but "Nepo Boyfriend??" baby they popped off on that 😭
I love Taylor, but he was very clearly uncomfortable speaking about their relationships, and honestly, we aren't owed a single detail on their relationships that's their life.
You're right but Cooper is a swiftie
@@what5475 Okay so? I’m a swiftie as well and I also have a huge celeb crush on Taylor, but does that give me the right to shit on her partner that LITERALLY HASN’T DONE ANYTHING WRONG as far as we know, just because there is an unconfirmed rumor about their possible breakup? Yall gotta start using your brains, people
@@einhorntaschentuch9404 IKR? LMAOO when I saw SO MANY headlines I got scared. But then I saw the proof : Oh taylor changed invisible string to the 1 on her tour set list and I was like 😐😐
I mean I’m not a super big fan of her (I love her but I don’t really listen to her music or keep up with her life), but I do think his lack of details or even emotions and facial expressions in response to questions about her is disappointing and weird. Idk, he should at least be okay with some of these questions😭
I think there’s a difference between keeping the relationship private and pretending it doesn’t exist
The guy is very private, very secretive about his life, whereas Taylor is someone who wrote soooo many songs about her past relationships and past breakups. I can imagine how he didnt want to start discussing their relationship, or talking about Taylor herself, for fear he'd spiral down this media rabbit hole where he'd have to reveal more and more things about their private life.
I think its just how he functions.
I agree
10000%
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
@@laclochard Here no one was the bad one or the good one, it was very obvious that it was not compatible, because of the lifestyle and way of seeing life. Taylor can't have a private life, because she is very famous, and her music is based on love and heartbreak. Her ex, wants a quiet life, that relationship just destined to fail.
@@laclochard In my opinion you need have things in common with your partner to make it work, opposites can be attracted but love is not enough.
Sometimes I think that Taylor Swift idealises her partners, she falls in love with that man a lot, but that guy doesn't.
We can see it with all her partners, she really fall in love, but sometimes people get scared with that.
“I’ll wake up screaming from dreaming. One day I’ll watch as you’re leaving and life will lose all its meaning”.
Ouch.
Honestly I'm starting to think Midnights was like a goodbye album. Like the relationship was already mentally over-they just hadn't physically separated yet because they were trying to make something impossible work.
100% Travis Kelce watched this video
Ik im late to this vid but 100% i said out loud TK has done all the opposite of this and look how happy she is
I believe the William Bowery pseudonym was just as much for Taylor's benefit as Joe's. It allowed the music they wrote together to start off as equal as to her other songs. Without any "oh you let your BOYFRIEND hitch a ride on your song to get a Grammy?"
She got to explain who he was & the work he did in one breath instead of having to correct people's assumptions.
Joe got to have his writing ability judged by the public without the shield of being Taylor's partner. Then once the songs were loved by their listeners it became an open secret.
He would've been labelled a clout chaser if it took advantage of every "photo op" opportunity Taylor gave him as well
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
@@laclochard bruh im just a depressed evermore girlie
@@laclochard Admit it, you're undoubtedly biased. You are the one blaming Joe and bringing up the same arguments over and over again. He DID care and support her, and judging by her songs and even her Netflix documentary, Taylor is literally aware of this. You're already drawing conclusions about the relationship even though we don't know the details and don't even know whether the rumours are real or not beyond a few lines from an unknown source. You're the one who's twisting his words. It's already difficult that something so private to both Taylor and Joe is being milked, and now you're criticizing one of them, when it's really none of our business.
That reply was... a lot.
16:04 I do think it doesn’t matter. If Joe had a hard boundary that he didn’t want to talk about his private relationship to the press, I don’t think it’s fair of fans or the public to look at that and assume that that means that he wasn’t a good partner. When it comes down to it, we have no idea who celebrities are behind closed doors nor what their relationships are like.
I absolutely agree. That was a lame take. Not publicly displaying affection for her gf who also wants privacy doesn't make him a bad bf
Exactly.
People including in this video project their feelings about relationships into a celebrity's relationship (I would do all this in my relationship; my partner would be expected to do this) and crucify that person for not public gushing .
Everyone projecting fails to understand how gushing about one of the world's famous woman supplies endless fodder for tabloids that comes back to tarnish Taylor's image as well as that of her partner ; it has been 7 years so people have forgotten Hiddleswift
@@gilbertanne88 this is so well put! 💕
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
hits different now that she's dating someone not afraid of publicly praising her because he's fully secure and great at his career in his own right
one of them had had 20 years of media training and has so much experience navigating public romantic relationships and one of them literally is a small indie actor who has never had any public relationship before and is obviously very uncomfortable being asked personal questions? i think it's really strange to analyze someone's intimate relationship based on how people act when they're placed in a small room being caught off guard and a camera in their face being asked personal questions by strangers. the reason taylor liked joe (from what we know based on songs) is that he was so normal and made her feel normal. he was uncomfortable answering questions because he wanted it to be normal and not sensationalized by the media, he knew if he gave them anything more they'd just want more and more all the time. it's wild to say you're a fan of taylor and then immediately do something she's been vocal about hating, which is make assumptions about her and a relationships when it's none of our business.
Exactly....my heart has been aching since yesterday because I ADORE Cooper but this video made me really upset
Well said- especially about the media training; she also writes about her love life and hence is asked these questions. For him except for his work on Folklore/ Evermore, there was no need to answer any of the personal questions
The media training is also exactly what I am thinking about. I can imagine if he decided to reveal something about their relationship, he would instantly regret it since he probably doesn't really know how to navigate these situations spontaneously. Also, altough it might be boring for the fans, he is in his full right to not have his private feelings be public domain at all. The question about his favourite song could have been scrutinised to death if he had given a substantial answer. In the end, the sad thing is, he tries to be quiet to probably avoid all of this scrutiny, yet, his silence ends up being subjected to it
yup. did no one listen to lavender haze? i hate how much the fanbase is hating on joe right now, its so toxi
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
From the very limited insight we have into how their relationship was and everything, I think Joe kept so hush-hush during the interviews so that way the Press would have a lot less to work with to spin his interviews negatively and I think Taylor is already at the point where she understands that the press and that people can twist anything into whatever they want regardless of what you do or don't give them, so why would she be so withholding about basic details in conversations. And with Joe it's just kind of like how you're saying we already know you're in a long-term committed relationship would it really hurt to praise your significant other instead of speaking about it literally as little as physically possible. like when he does that it just comes across as him preparing for the end you know like preparing for those ex compilation videos. Anyway I don't believe either them owe us anyting because of the public context of the relationship whether that be an explanation or clarification and I hope we can all give them the Privacy they deserve. thank you Cooper for another great video! hope you have a great week!!
And a tipsy tier list w Taylor or harry would be so fun! Would her acting in her own music videos be a part of that list?
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
Every love song she’s ever written is just so painful to hear now
Was choking up to Cornelia street today 😿
@@sacredsunflower8930 omg me too! She would have never walked, she was clear that he was her end game. Dude didn't want to be supportive of her doing the best at her job. I'd have stood by my girl til the end of time. He dumped her for his mid acting career? 🙄 How banal.
call it what you want came on shuffle today when i was getting ready, i cried, had to pause it and take a minute.
😢📷
@@bscisnotmentallystable. oh that song hurts so bad rn I’m so sorry
I'm not sure whether it is the culture we are in today or social media but have we become this shallow that we judge if love is real or a relationship is strong/ good by how performative they are in the public eye ?
It is better to have someone root for you, support you and stay with you during your darkest times and see you for the real you than a partner who will go gush about you in red carpet interviews or magazine profiles and generate endless news stories and gossip about you
This is so unfair to a man who has not dropped his girlfriend's name to gain clout/ media attention . Even without him using her name, he made headlines for something like refusing to say if he was engaged or not.
Also if anyone wants to go see what happens when you gush about Taylor as a girlfriend, go see all the Hiddleswift coverage and the ruthless articles that came out of Tom's interviews.
Joe and Taylor clearly didnt want that happening
Wow you are everywhere pushing that narrative that a man deserves a prize for being with a woman who is going through a bad patch, like that's just life. You have misogynystic views and seem to be pressed an excusing this man's behaviour.
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
@@laclochard I choose not to engage with trolls. I am a Taylor fan but dont stand for villainising anyone especially when she has said nothing. Assuming so much on her behalf is you treating her like a child rather than the empowered superstar woman she is
@@gilbertanne88 Now you call a woman with an opinion that you don't like 'a troll', you just keep being more an more misogynystic. And now even mansplaining about what an empowered women is. You are talking as if Taylor is not human. You have been making excuses for this man everywhere with your misogynistic comments projecting your own insecurities as a man and defending him because of that. And I will say whatever I want no matter how much misogynystic men like you would wish women didn't have a voice.
yo have you heard you’re losing me yet?
Imagine being artist who’s passionate about your work, and being engaged to an already successful artist, and all anyone ever talks about when interviewing you on your work is your more famous partner, and then when you break up people dismiss all of your achievements and call you an unsupportive partner, like truly this is insane behavior why would you make this? Especially when we have no idea why they broke up and it’s none of our business? Maybe he just wanted to be seen as his own artist and not as Taylor’s boyfriend, and you’re likely engaging in identical behavior to the people interviewing him.
He should have dated someone his lil ego could handle then
Joe supported Taylor through one of the darkest periods of her life and arguably the darkest period in her career. I absolutely do think Joe is boring and I have zero interest in himself or his career, however, I don’t think this video is very fair. Words are Taylor’s job. She is a writer, a poet, a wordsmith. Joe just isn’t. Taylor is incredibly media trained and knows exactly how much to say, what to leave out and how to make it sound good. Joe doesn’t have that kind of training and he isn’t invested in the celebrity lifestyle. To protect Taylor he had to be guarded.
Oh please
👏👏
Why would they have written songs together, if he doesn’t know how to use words? Lol, he said what he said-not because he lacked words…
Shut the fuck up what a stupid take protect her from what???? Did you not hear ylm renegade and so long London that man wasn’t the perfect angel you think he is he emotionally abandoned the relationship and left her to carry it all alone
this is making more and more sense as the tour continues and now with “you’re losing me”
Fully convinced travis watches this before every interview ever
I love Taylor, and I love Cooper, but I disagree. I think he’s just antisocial and Taylor is far more well versed with the press.
Look up the definition of anti social. Also, Joe is media trained from University, and knows when not to answer nosy media questions, and Taylor can talk too much. There are dozens of examples where she misspoke and caused an uproar on social media.
he's definitely not anti social lmao
@@piedpiper5886 you explained it better, I’ll be honest.
Ahahahha this comment. Nope. He’s emotionally unavailable.
@@freyjawillconquer thats why they were engaged? bro
Listen I know Taylor Swift is a goddess and everything and I really admire her a lot, but let's be real here - it's kind of funny how swifties are turning their backs on Joe the moment the breakup news broke out. Let's be real here, a relationship has two sides and if the split up really was amicable, that means none of them were the villain here. Once again regarding this "he's poor", "he's just an actor" these are very very hurtful to say to anyone let alone Joe, it's just sad how we can always say something at any given moment without thinking how those words might affect the other person. Yes, it's okay to support Taylor but you have to be respectful to the other person involved here as well because they too, are a person with emotions and feelings and you don't really know what's going on in their lives.
And about the public comments, Joe Alwyn, from my understanding, is someone who gives his privacy a lot of importance and so, doesn't like talking about his personal life. We don't really know how he was behind closed doors, but from her songs, we can clearly see he supported her during one of the hardest times of her life. Another point that I'd like to add is that Joe Alwyn almost always got asked about Taylor in his solo works and even when he was out and about, fans were asking him about Taylor. Even the comments under his solo works you can see almost all of them are somehow related to him being about "Taylor's Boyfriend" or "nepo bf" and that must really hurt lmao.
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
@@laclochard you truly do not know about their relationship enough to make an assumption like that. Were you inside of their home, do you know the ins and outs of their relationship? No you don’t. There are two sides to every story, I love Taylor but we can’t hate on joe just because they are now broken up. These things happen and there isn’t always a villain. He doesn’t deserve that and it’s embarrassing for Taylor. That is end of story.
@@anahitak6677 I love how didn't deny anything that I said. Does this guy pay you to defend him? Do you personally know him to know that he's actually such a generous person to Taylor and who is comfortable with her successful despite giving all signs of the opposite?
@@laclochard i clearly do not see how he came across as "bitter" but alright, you do you. and i simply do not want to make any assumptions about how their relationship was and i have said it myself that we do not know how he is behind closed doors but from what we have heard from ts in songs, he does seem like a good guy. yes, a part of the reason must be because she loves him and she has loved him for 6 years. that does matter at the end of the day. now ts is a very smart person and a woman who definitely knows her worth, i dont think if he did something wrong she would've really let it go (as she should). from what i can understand seeing their public appearances and reports and all that, they both want to move on from this and so let them be. i will not bother to reply to this anymore, as i've said my part.
@@godhuliadeyadhora4777 you keep defending this man you don't know anything about except his extreme and public absolute disregard for Taylor during YEARS
I think joe is just socially awkward and introverted.
God this really doesn't sit right with me, i know this video is lighthearted and all but I hate how now they've broken up all the Swifties are hating on Joe and picking apart everything about him/who he is. I get it's from a place of loving Taylor but jeez this was the same man you were praising for being so amazing for taylor for the last 6 year. At the end of the day we do not know what went down, all we know is what beautiful things Taylor has written in songs and said about him- about how amazing he has been for her. Pairing that with the fact they apparently broke up amicably, ppl starting to randomly hate on him just shows how toxic swifies can be when they insert themselves so much into this parasocial relationship with taylor. Like lets pls not do a repeat of 1989 era, lets grow up and respect celebrities boundaries.
This whole video is toxic af to me. Toxic fandoms are disgusting and sad.
@@Jigglexphysics Now, with social media, every fandom that gets big enough will grow toxic, it's inevitable. People who are totally unsocialized and before the internet would've had a very small platform to spew their ridiculous thoughts since they probably didn't have many friends (due to being assholes, not any other reason) now have the eyes of the whole world. Absolutely radical, batshit opinions rise to the top of the algorithm.
so true!!
Talking the truth about this man is not being toxic. Of course the fans wanted them to be together. But je has been disappointing and it is the right time to talk about all the things that were shady about him. He never loved her for who she is. He was borderline trying to make as if she didn't even exist in her life, he would not even once just say that he loved her after years together. He wanted her to exist less, and the sad thing is she tried. Stop making excuses for this man. Taylor deserved better and that's the truth.
@@laclochard Literally stop. You ARE the epitome of a toxic swiftie.
Everyone has her on a pedestal and that's okay bc she's talented, but he didn't and maybe she actually liked that. It makes sense if she didn't want to feel like she was dating a fan. To each their own
She absolutely hated it, you can hear it in midnights
All of this Joe Alwyn hate is unnecessary and petty. Joe is an actor, Taylor has NOTHING to do with his work. Asking him questions about his love-life is invasive, he is incredibly private and if he doesn't want to divulge in personal information, if he doesn't want to answer them, he doesn't have to. Taylor is a musician, of course she's going to talk about him more, he's the muse of so many of her songs. Taylor is more well known, he doesn't want his career to become about her, which is fair. You can't assume that Joe is at fault just because you love Taylor. I'm such a massive Taylor fan but I will say, we never got Joe's side of the story, and we may never get it. At the end of the day, we aren't owed Joe's side, and we aren't owed an explanation to why the relationship went awry. If Taylor and Joe wanted their relationship to be private, it's safe to say that their break up should be given the same respect. A breakup is extremely painful, especially one of 6 years. All of this media attention and speculation in the comments is so disrespectful. Give them time to grieve the loss of something so painful. Sure, they're both public figures, but they're also both humans who are probably going through a terrible time.
@sateayamkremes BUT STILL STUPID. Imagine how many people lack the ability to think for themselves and they have to be fed by anyone how to feel with someone. --that's how stupid it is.
This is so weird. Ya’ll hated on Tom Hiddleston for using Taylor to enhance his own fame, and now you hate on Joe for clearly NOT using Taylor in that way? Don’t you think it would’ve been way worse if Joe was constantly dropping her name and using her to advance his career? Swifties are just so programmed to automatically hate and bully any of Taylor’s exes. Like she’s not saint, and Joes not perfect either but hating him just for being a private reserved person? It’s giving parasocial stalker vibes
In defense of Joe, the English are raised and it’s well ingrained into their way of being that they don’t share and are extremely private.❤
Oh please. There are plenty of British Actors who are lovely and not bitter and borderline dismissive of their life partners like this Joe.
@@laclochard im not trying to be rude but could you please give Specific examples of what you think makes him sound bitter?
genuinely, i am autistic, I cannot tell what you're pointing to; my aim is not to cause conflict. The words he is saying are in line with someone who is a bit reserved and/or uncomfortable in interviews. He isn't saying much, and if you ask me to come up with a reason for that, bitterness seems just as plausible as being shy or trying not to mooch off of Taylor's fame so he can avoid claims of that. He clearly doesn't want to talk about Taylor, but what indicates that it's because of bitterness over wanting to keep his romantic life and work life separate?
Apart from the literal words he is speaking, I have no context clues to tell me what the implied reason behind his silence is. This video and your comment are confusing to me because it seems as if you're jumping to the conclusion you want to hear rather than actually explaining why it's more likely than any others, and that is NOT an accusation ofc: I'm explaining what it Looks like because i'm pretty sure it's not what's actually happening. I know I'm missing something here, so this is me asking for clarification on ur perspective instead of just writing it off :]
I hope that makes sense, I just genuinely don't get what exactly he's doing that makes dismissiveness more likely than him being a private person. I see no evidence pointing towards Taylor being upset with specifically the way he acts in interviews (for all we know the breakup could be about something in their personal lives we've never seen), but I'm not trying to claim there isn't any there at all. I just need it pointed out, if it exists.
@@laclochardthis girl is bonkers
I get what you are saying but also I kinda get why Joe does that?? I'm ab introvert so I always avoid things that could put me in spotlight and the size of Taylor's fandom is too big. He could say one thing and the fandom makes crazy theories about him. So I guess it's kinda understandable why he says so little about their relationship.
That is spot on. He is media trained and he knows people will take what he says and twist it.
Precisely
he wants to be a celebrity.... how is it gonna work if he's so "shy"
@@therapyandfolklore that's not the point? If he gave any fucks about being a high profile celeb then we would've seen him with a different personality already..
@erzatitania8198 he wants to be an actor, that comes with being in the spotlight.
after listening to you’re losing me, this video hits different
Man, watching this video after hearing "you're losing me" definitely puts it in a different light, huh? Like yeah, Cooper, you really hit the nail in the head it seems. It really sucks cause she so deserves to be loved the way she seems to love in her songs (and interviews apparently, my knowledge of their relationship was based mostly on the songs tbh) proudly and loudly. I understand wanting to be your own person, but you could every once in a while acknowledge your partner! Not to villainize Joe, they wouldn't be together for so long if they didn't love each other but they weren't meant to be after all I suppose.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING
Tom did that, and she left him for Joe. So did Lautner. Taylor does not know what she wants.
@@greatminds1017human beings are complex, theres no one size fits all men
yeah cooper i love you but you're being very harsh, plenty of celebs never talk about their relationships and if taylor wasn't famous nobody would have an issue with the way he talks abt her. he doesn't owe us anything :)
Cooper you do realize that taylor speaks so much about him in the songs is because it's her literal career, right? She makes MUSIC. So she explains it. I bet if she was doing a normal interview maybe related to her role in a movie, she would not entertain questions about her personal life. So no, I think you're very wrong about the whole "not appreciating enough" point. We don't know what taylor wants, maybe she's more comfy about her bf not worshiping or even just talking about her in the interviews? You can't label someone as a bad boyfriend on that kind of an argument. It's kinda stupid tbh
Yes!! Taylor’s way of expressing herself is music, she doesn’t make a song that doesn’t have a meaning, every song she writes has a meaning, and they didn’t really talked about each other, joe loved Taylor, you can see by the way he looks at her, and Taylor’s songs about him says enough about how much she loved him
i completely agree. someone's obviously bitter
uhm idk lol he rly like refuses to talk ab her at all and they r dating. i think it’s jus a little weird like why even date if ur that concerned.
@@yea0000 He still has the right to not share about his personal life. Taylor’s more social w/ the media and he seems to be more antisocial.
@@Goth_Bat i never said he didn’t have the right to. personally i wouldn’t talk about my personal life. but he can’t even seem to say anything about her, the person he was engaged to. that’s concerning is all i’m saying
He just wants to keep things private. He's a quiet guy, and that's ok. At the end of the day, we don't know what was going on behind the scenes. The second the news got out that they broke up, people turned against him, completely forgetting all the good he has done for her over the years. In the Miss Americana documentary, she discusses why they want to keep their relationship private. It's understandable why he didn't want to talk about it.
I'm sorry Cooper, but this was painful to watch. I feel like most of this was just you being jealous and villainizing him in anyway. Real Swifties know how good Joe is. If you watch the Prime Concert from 2019 (I think) she was looking at him the whole time, singing her love songs directly to him. Just let them live their lives.
No like honestly people will call Joe a clout chaser if he always talks about Taylor. But then when he doesn't he is not into the relationship and dismissive
@@chaitrakandukuri4975 Thank you, that is exactly it.
I can't believe people even fans are really trying so hard to defend Joe. Oh please. Taylor loved him so much and that's why you see him in such a great light. But let's be real. He has always come across as BITTER. While Taylor has always publicly supported him. And it's clear he never liked Taylor being a worldwide superstar. He wishes she was caged in her house and not out there shining as bright as she is going to because like you said SHE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. She became obsessed about 'separating her personal and work life' as if that's possible. I mean her work is not something that she 'does' it's what she IS, she is an artist, she likes expressing herself and connecting to the public, that's who she IS. He clearly hated it, he wanted her to shine less, to occupy less space, to exist LESS. I hope people stop making excuses for this dude. Like 'he didn't do anything', yeah that's right, he has played his thing right, in a more passive aggressive way. I can't believe people are buying it. Taylor DESERVES BETTER. She deserves a real man who truly loves her.
@@laclochard Not true. When you get sone real evidence, come back later.
@@potterssgirl Those are literal facts. The rest is mythology. You try and deny what I said point by point. You know you can't because it's just observation.
Here what I’ve been thinking with the new Tay and Travis Kielce stuff. I was never a huge fan of Joe but I always as a swiftie was like ok their relationship is just one of those hidden ones. Whatever. That is fair and happens all the time with celebrities. But then at some point when they were years in and it was like the pandemic and Taylor talked about them writing together and eveyrntkng I was like wow when’s Joe going to talk abt this music with Taylor and the amazing stuff they did together? Never a word. It felt odd? At that point they were in like a 5 year known relationship you can just mention like “oh yeah singing and working with her on that was great!” Then move on? That’s it? Like that’s not invading privacy that’s just professionally shouting out your KNOWN successful girlfriend?? So I wasn’t really surprised when they broke up.
Now, as an example I’m gunna use Tom Holland and Zendaya. They’ve also really kept their relationship private. But once it was revealed and after some time of them being in the spotlight together the mentions from both of them became organic to the point where everyone who was dans of them knew “aww they both appreciate each other” without either one of them giving public access to their still private relationship. Tom in his interviews when it comes up organically NEVER misses a beat in mentioning zendaya and how much he is amazed by her always. Like that’s a supportive man. No one needs to know more, but it does seem authentic and nice to see mutual praise you know?
So now cut to Travis Kelce, already this short in, one thing I’ve noticed is since then being a public “thing” Travis has MULTIPLE times praised how everyone said good things about her after being at the game, casually just mentions her on the podcast he has with his brother not in an invasive like oh my god Taylor swift way just in a casual way as if Taylor was just his girlfriend he met through a friend and not a global pop star, but always in such a positive light. Like he’s not revealing anything besides just making Taylor a normal human being and giving her that respect you know? Like he knows they’re both all over the media, he’s not giving anything away but he’s also not going “oh I’m not going to say anything about that” instead he’s public ally THANKING HER for coming and seeing him play. He’s publically acknowlging how much the public care about her for good reason. And publicly showing how much he clearly thinks she is amazing and you know what for ONCE she deserves this respect. And so far I’m just happy Travis is showing her this public masculine respect.
how being introvert so hard to understand by most Americans. Is it always like this even on regular people?
If I would be dating taylor swift, I‘d never shut up about it.
I get wanting to be private, but the one that gets me is not answering what your fave Taylor Swift song is. Like, easy out, say they're all wonderful? Say you don't have a favorite? It's giving Losing Me vibes "SAY SOMETHING"
1. Let people have different personalities in peace.
2. He has a right to be private (and he's not a bad person for that).
3. Respect the fact that the "interviews" is him doing work, not making a show of his private life in any way, shape or form. He doesn't owe anything to anybody.
4. Honestly, it has been disgusting when at times women have been dismissed and disregarded because people are only interested in their "famous and talented" partners. It is disgusting now too seeing how dismissive you are of Joe as a person just because he wanted to keep his relationship and his working life separate. But when this is done to men now it is seen as funny and quirky, I don't get it. I found it immensely disrespectful. It just seems Joe is a private and introverted person, is that so hard to grasp and respect? (and I'm a Taylor fan, btw)
i totally agree
there’s a difference between being private and not even acknowledging the existence of the person you’ve been with for 6 years.
@@EmmaSchuren Some celebs acknowledge their SPOUSE once every blue moon. And these are usually the ones that have been together for decades. And this assumption that Joe never spoke of her is false, plus people knew they dated and she sang about their relationship. What more did people want...
He is a great person, and was a great partner taylor dodged questions too, saying things like "You should ask him" We all dodge questions...
It's fine, he's just shy, she's just better at answering interview questions because she's been a global sensation for over fifteen years
I don’t think that was an example of her “dodging” the question. I think she didn’t want to speak for him and wanted to give him his own voice and let him discuss his feelings on the matter. Because the question was something like “why did he want to use a synonym” so I think it makes sense she didn’t want to speak for him on the matter.
tipsy tier list of taylor’s exes
YES please
“Im so obsessed with him but he avoids me, like the plague”
maybe this is just cuz I'm not a huge swiftie, but idk, I feel like I can kinda sympathize with Joe. I mean, no one really knows the intentions behind his dismissiveness, but maybe he just wanted to avoid an association with her because he didn't want to feel like he was riding along her success. I think it's humble in a way to want your own work to speak for itself, and that would be a bit hard if everyone saw him as "Taylor Swift's Boyfriend." I'm sure it was already hard enough to avoid the "people only care about you because you're dating her" comments. I doubt he had a problem being associated with her, but just didn't want to gain undeserved attention for his relationship rather than his work.
You swore that you loved me, but where were the clues?😭
i died on the altar waiting for proof
I saw something and it said
“She loved him because he didn’t care she was Taylor swift, they broke up because he didn’t care she was Taylor swift”
So Joe and Taylor said openly they wanted a private relationship and Joe was the only one that held up his intentions. He's BEEN saying mind your business and he means it. Taylor isn't wrong for showing love publicly, but she or anyone else shouldn't expect the same form Joe because he said he doesn't like the public show. Once he's married, it's too late. She's already showing that she won't keep things private.
Wow. Way to blame a poor girl in love.
Edit: please leave the likes at 13. Cause I love my girl and that's HER number.
Edit: Joe saw this and fu(ked it up
she never ever says anything about joe
she mentions him
but she doesn’t post him anywhere
and all her songs are about how he makes her feel
not about what they do together
and i see the way you blame it on her
like if a relationship isn’t a mutual thing
@@leomcshizzlepjocastdeserve1631 @elizzybec Your partner's boundaries don't take a back seat to you "being in love." No means no. It's her right to sing about it and speak on it, and it's his right to dump her for it. Mutual agency. 🤷🏾♀️
@@fakeidonthaveahandle according to which source was it said that he dumped her?
@@starryizu3678 I'd be surprised if Taylor dumped him with all the chatting she's been doing to the media. If not, then you know she was just monetizing the relationship via music topics and sales of that music.
I usually like Cooper’s content but this is kinda pathetic, it’s making me want to tell him “she’s not gonna get with you dude” because Joe IS an actor, NOT just Taylor’s (ex)boyfriend, when he’s asked if he sings at home he doesn’t have to talk about Taylor because it’s *his* interview, just like how Taylor doesn’t have to bring up Joe whenever she acts. And the fact that he’d rather keep their relationship more private and talk about work when *doing his job* getting interviewed is completely valid, I think it’s stupid to judge someone for keeping quiet when they say their relationship is private, people express their love in different ways, which don’t have to be public. Not to mention how insensitive it is to make a video shitting on a guy going through a very public break up when all we as fans were told is that they ended amicably.
omg so true
yeah I completely agree with this
i still love coopers content and can listen to him ramble for days
in multiple songs of hers she talks about how joe lets her be a normal person without pressure from media and everyone else but the whole video is just cooper going “but he’s literally dating TAYLOR SWIFT!!!!!” and treating her like a character lmao
I think he knows that! Lol he's just gushing over her. All swifties feel personal connections to her. Don't take it so seriously.
people thought you were crazy for this but you were 100% correct the whole time.
all of her love songs sound so devastating now- it adds such a layer of complexity
well this aged ... interestingly 😭😭😭💔
They loved each other and to be honest none of Taylor’s ex’s really talked about her
Yeah idk why he brung that up 💀 Taylor has been around media for years but he wasn’t. Imo it doesn’t seem fair to shit on him for that
i wanna agree with this except john mayer still can't stop talking about her LMAO
I think she was openly complimentary towards him because she has so much fame and success and wants her S.O. or people helping her to share the success. I think he's more dismissive because he wanted to be careful not to be only "Taylor swift's S.O." but instead his own person. Also, the questions directed at her about him were also about her and her music. The questions directed at him about her were pretty much just about her. If he's at a red carpet for something he did, maybe he doesn't want to talk about her acting because this is supposed to be his moment. But every moment is actually Taylor swift's moment and that's gotta be hard to navigate for a relatively unknown actor
You said it yourself. She has always made enormous efforts for him, and he hasn't done it for her. She did so much and it was never enough. He wanted her to exist less, he never liked her being the worldwide superstar that she is.
I don’t find it weird that Joe didn’t comment on their relationship. He was open from the beginning that he wanted it to be private, and that makes sense to me. He seems to be shy, and as an actor that not very well known other than this relationship, the media and some of Taylor’s fans would definitely accuse him of using her for fame. If I was in his position, I would do the same. He’s seen how Taylor’s actions can be misconstrued, and his could be too. There’s nothing wrong with not “gushing” or “worshipping” your partner in public, that doesn’t mean Joe had bad intentions. Again, he didn’t want to be accused of using her for fame, when clearly they were both in love. If they are broken up, I don’t think either party should receive hate for their actions. Just respect them!!
Taylor literally SAID that their relationship isn't up for discussion..and u r literally DISCUSSING it?dudeee💀
THE IRONYY
I think he’s jealous of joe.
@@ardenalexa94 And I oop--😂
@@ardenalexa94yeah cooper is being SO parasocial in this video like wth
This gotta be one of my favorite of Coopers outfits. Stylish and clean 70's vibe, cosy indie/rock musician
This really gives more insight into You're Losing Me...
It's still just a rumor. I think it's not okay to speak so bad about Joe.
He has done nothing bad, he's just a very private Person and also an introvert. Taylor wrote so many beautiful songs about him and their relationship, it's clear that he made her feel loved and supported her. They wouldn't have been together for 6 years if Taylor wouldn't be happy with him. And maybe they are still a couple, maybe they are even engaged or married. However, it's their life and they have the right to keep it private.
tbh joe is just being british
and i think taylor wanted to want to be private more than she naturally is inclined to and had a hard time being so. she realized how toxic the media obsession with her was at the time the relationship started had become and realized for her own sake and the relationship’s she would have to be more private. but comparing her to other celebs who say they refuse to talk to media about their relationships and genuinely stick to their word, you can see a difference because they simply just don’t. which is fine if she doesn’t but it’s clear joe is genuinely a private person and maybe they were just fundamentally incompatible about this.
COOPER IM WATCHING THIS BEFORE WATCHING BARBIE AND YOU WERE SO RIGHT OMG
after*😔
He was very defensive. I can’t blame him, that’s the first time he dated someone insanely famous. I’m sure he admires her and has a lot of wonderful things to say about her, he just did not want to say anything to the media thinking he was protecting his relationship that way.
I get where ur coming from, but Joe really changed her for the better, he grounded her, brought balance in her life. Taylor today is so so different from Taylor in 2016 and before. She really needed a Joe in her life, he changed her for the better n showed her the real stuff.
Oh come on! She needs nothing... The way you say seems like a woman needs a Man to change her?! This is jus part of growing UP! And yes some people makes us better, but gives a guy ALL this credit is too much...😅
@@almeida5823 No, he's right. It's not because he's a man though. The difference he made on her life was absolutely positive, he did ground her. If it were a woman who did the same thing the comment would still stand. Yes, Taylor has grown up since 2016, but Joe helped her do so. We don't grow up on our own, people impact us and we learn from those experiences. From 2016 to 2023 it is absolutely fair to say that Joe was the major force in her life. Sure she might not have needed him, but we wouldn't have the Taylor we have today without Joe.
@@almeida5823 OP already responded to you, but yes, it's not about him being a man. A lot of us DO need friends, family members, that best friend or sister who make us better people, or help us see life in a different way just by being with us and supporting us. I'm a single woman and I have two best friends who were the "Joe" for me at a time when I was estranged from my family and feeling emotionally unanchored. Specifically those two friends.
It doesn't diminish Taylor as a person to have been strongly influenced by someone else in a positive way, even if it's a partner. I understand that modern feminists think women now need NOTHING, but women are still human, sometimes they also need good influences in their life and sometimes they even need people to help them improve and change.
@@almeida5823 He grounded her (in her own words) and gave her what was close to normal as possible; and I am not attributing her success to him but a supportive partner helps to create the environment for the absolute creative streak she has had: 7 albums in 5 years.
Oh please...
Like I think people are taking “private” as like he shouldn’t answer questions which sure is true, but the man didn’t even say “oh yeah she’s wonderful” when given the chance like that’s not not private that’s just saying yeah my girlfriend is great. That’s super normal. I get he was there for her during her worst years with media but after reputation and then into lover era especially you would think that he would eventually throw a nice comment out here and there. I get being shy and or not media trained and different personalities, but even people with these traits can give a well deserved nice comment to their very successful girlfriend. It wouldn’t kill him, and yet now looking back on it it honestly just feels kind of sad to me. I get the Joe appreciation, but I’m also on the side that Joe deserves some scrutiny (not hate) in hindsight of their relationship
Like it's not even a secret relationship at all everyone knows they dating...Taylor wrote like whole album just said something nice would kill him or ruined his so perfect private life😅 and i know he actor and doing some spicy scene so he can't be that awkward and shy....no need to hate him but please sick of these "come back daddy, miss him" Swifties huhhh😫😫
Looking back on the way she talks about their relationship in her songs, I sort of overlooked how much they seem to have fought. Big fights get mentioned all the time, in songs like Cornelia Street, False God, Afterglow, Me!, and The Great War. She also mentioned really resisting getting together with him at first, and not knowing where their relationship is going, like in Dress, Getaway Car, Dancing With Our Hands Tied, Cruel Summer, and Paper Rings. One of the things I've related to most about her songs since getting together with him is how she seemed to struggle to recontextualize the idea of relationships after having been in so many emotionally difficult situations - songs like The Archer, Delicate, Don't Blame Me, and Anti-Hero. I have a theory that to her, he was so incredible because he was the first person who made her feel seen and supported, and he may not have had that same struggle. Maybe the good parts of their relationship didn't surprise him that way. Maybe a misalignment of perspective made the bad parts of the relationship even more difficult. They say the relationship "ran its course". Maybe they grew together enough to realize the problems were something they didn't want to deal with anymore. My point is, I think the relationship can be both good and bad. It can be extremely good that it happened, and also very good that they're both moving on now. Relationships are so difficult and hope they both got a lot out of their time together.
You know he’s a swiftie because he predicted all the themes in You’re Losing Me
this aged well.
i’m hoping that it’s just rumours. i mean taylor or joe haven’t confirmed anything yet, but i feel like they would have said something if it wasn’t true.
That's why they loved each other for so long cos he was fiercely loyal and would not elaborate on anything to anyone (especially media) about Taylor. Whereas Travis will be with her anywhere and everywhere to get the exposure he craves.
Who tell you that....
I don’t think he’s a bad person. I think he saw her as a normal person and didn’t want to use her for money or fame which was initially very attractive to her. But then she slowly realized he also wasn’t as into her as he could of been and he almost sort of seems embarrassed that people only think of him as Taylor’s bf and sort of wants people to know him as an individual and for his career as an actor, which is a valid feeling too. But I think at the reputation point in her life it was beneficial for her to have someone who didn’t care about her as a public figure but now she’s more comfortable and realizing she wants someone who publicly admires her more and wants to be seen as her bf and is openly proud of her, which sort of explains her choosing someone controversial who is also famous and clearly not afraid of what people will say about him and openly very complimentary of her and her work
I think Taylor is just good at speaking and expressing herself, and joe is just quiet.
And we obviously don't really know ANYTHING about the realities of their relationship. Heartbreak sucks tho, even if you're the world's biggest music artist
Just because you don't understand privacy and boundaries doesn't mean Joe is a bad guy.
Here after You're Loosing Me and I can't believe all these comments defending him.
Like...are you hearing how he talked about her?
THATS WHAT IM SAYING!!!
Still defending Joe. He wasn't wrong for keeping it private. All her other relationships don't even compare to the one she had with him.
Yeah I'm still DEFENDING Joe. cry about it. you get one fucking song and you think you already know everything about their relationship
I am the worlds biggest swiftie, but i cant imagine how hard dating her must have been. she admitted it herself, she could never give him peace. He made her so happy for so long and i hope both of them are ok.
the fact that you seem to neglect is that taylor swift is a grown woman. it's ridiculous to insinuate that he was a bad person or mistreated her in their relationship because of his PR statements. it might be hard for you to comprehend but you don't know him or taylor. taking out five second youtube clips doesn't mean you know them. listening and dissecting her music doesn't mean you know them. i understand that you want to only ever speak good about taylor, but in this instance, you don't have to put him down to praise her. you don't have to pick sides in an amicable relationship. the way you talk about both of these people (including someone you're a fan of) is incredibly disheartening as it is focusing on such trivial matters and using them to determine whether someone is a good partner or not. the fact is, relationships like these exist behind closed doors much more than they do out in the open. for all we know, joe could've been a perfect boyfriend, and they could've just drifted apart. as someone who deals with shyness, watching you accuse someone of being a bad boyfriend because he's closed off and private makes me entirely uncomfortable. also, if you will, consider how taylor swift would feel about this sort of thing. she's gotten so much backlash in the past for merely having relationships. her exes are always villainized by her fans despite the full story never being known. just because they broke up, doesn't mean you have to hate joe alwyn. he's a real person, not a trend. i love your videos, and your editing style, but this take seems oversimplified and incredibly biased. i feel sorry for both taylor and joe that their existence has to be picked apart this critically.
Yeah I've never heard of Joe before, but I can kinda relate to his awkwardness and the walls he has up for privacy. The part where the interviewer asked him if he ever sings at home? I did not pick up that it was a question meant to get him talking about Taylor. I can kinda see it after it was explained, but questions like that with hidden intentions can be confusing for some people. So seeing him be criticized for not being able to read between the lines felt off. I've been in that position plenty of times. It's incredibly frustrating when people get upset that you dont guess what they really mean instead of just asking a straightforward question. And thats not even getting into the dynamics of celebrity gossip and being a small actor dating a super star. I couldn't imagine being picked apart for maybe awkwardly navigating that mine field.
I really enjoy these videos, but I think a lot of the criticisms here unintentionally painted a broad brush over people who are introverted/private/struggle socially.
Wow! That was an amazing video! Incredibly smart, creative, sincere, genuine. I love your take into their story and agree 💯! I'm sure it took a lot of time to research all videos, do the editing, etc. But without you hitting the nail every single time it wouldn't have worked. You've got a new fan!😂🎉
Wow, that speech at the end actually made me tear up a little. Weirdly exactly what I needed to hear going thru my current breakup.
When Cooper predicted “You’re Losing Me” almost by line WHA-
The difference between that man and Travis is huge. The way Travis talks about her is so beautiful and respectful I'm so glad they are together
This is just 19 minutes of cooper shitting on taylors ex and casually hinting that he would better lmao, im here for it
Def cooper would be better
fr tho, the way he talks of taylor is so hilarious to me😭😭
@@janae.nae15I seriously doubt that considering he's giving "obsessively overbearing" energy about taylor all the time. and she was with joe for 6 years lmao
Cooper crushing on Taylor is the most iconic thing on youtube
Is he gay or straight tho?
I don't mean to overstep any boundaries but you look so incredibly good, it's crazy.
EARLY!! ALSO, WE LOVE TAYLOR 🫶
i also think that if joe mentioned taylor in a speech or interview, unlike if taylor mentioned him, it would likely overshadow everything else. because taylor is such a huge star, the interview, or the speech, or the article, would center around her instead of his own work, which im guessing neither taylor nor joe wanted. plus, we know taylor valued the fact that he didn't want the spotlight, look at call it what you want and lavender haze
it's so nice to be early, also I love your energy AND YOU NAILS??? IT'S SO COOL!!!
Tbf, privacy looks different for different people. As long as boundaries weren't crossed, I don't think we should assume how their relationship went. Taylor herself said she didn't want people treating their relationship as gossip, and this is what that feels like.
idk if he brings this up later in the video but I think his reason for not talking about Taylor while she shares more could come down to the fact Joe was never really in the public eye before her while she has had many very public relationships, she was the one to set the boundary of keeping them mostly private so she's the one most comfortable to share things while he would rather altogether avoid the topic of her as to not push her boundaries.
he was probably more expressive when it was just them together, which is understandable.
DO SOMETHING BABE
SAY SOMETHING
LOSE SOMETHING BABE
RISK SOMETHING
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I am very happy seeing Travis treating Taylor right.
We Stan Joe. If Taylor's songs are anything to go by, we know that he's a good man. We don't know the details yet and he doesn't deserve any criticism whatsoever.
Q: Why do you like Taylor Swift so much?
A: I love her because she makes great music and is such a great performer. Her albums are so versatile, ranging from country, pop, and alternative. She is also a great musician who plays guitar, banjo, and piano.
Q: Why do you stan Joe Alwyn?
A: He is a good partner for Taylor Swift LMAO
let’s listen to “you’re losing me” and regroup
countless people have praised their partner and then have it turn out to not be true. and if they are, then you’ll understand where she’s coming from on you’re losing me
Watching this now after she released your losing me on streaming and with her being with Travis Kelce who has consistently praised her for being The Taylor Swift makes me so happy for her
im obsessed with ur energy
It all sounds like the song tolerate it. Like if you know the song it talks about a girl that gives her pours her whole heart to a guy who just dismisses and scoffs at her efforts. Which is so sad and now listening to songs like lover, dress, etc is just so so sad. I hope she finds someone who shows her off to the world and brags about being with her. You can be private while you do that. Private details can be kept private. I think it's really pretty if you say that you are in love and to let the other person know that too.
Taylor deserves sooooooo much better. Or at least someone who will talk about her the way she does about them.
i think he didn't want to be known for being her boyfriend or fiancé and that's why he doesn't answer the questions so enthusiastically. everyone in that business would like to be known for their work and not for interpersonal reasons
Yeah or he could just be an antisocial guy bc he’s not as used to the press
or maybe he just sucked
after you're losing me, dude didn''t even propose like he didn't even wanna marry her
okay but if he was going around, gushing over her everywhere he went, people would just accuse him of chasing clout and trying to become a nepo boyfriend
whatever he would've done throughout the six years of their relationship, people would criticize because this man can't "win" against taylor
there's really nothing we know about what came down in their relationship, so we really should just let two adult people end their relationship in a civil way
sometimes things just don't work out and it's fine
Rewatching this after listing to You’re Losing Me 🥸
Ok i get where you are going with this but at the same time there is people who enjoy having a private life and not sharing a lot. My co-workers know i am in a relationship yet i never talk about my partner in from of them a disregard all their questions whenever i see they are curious about something but that doesn’t mean i’m hiding my partner, i just hate sneaky people in my business
I've been voicing these exact sentiments for years but I would get dragged by other Swifties because Taylor's PoV of Joe was rose colored lenses, and "perfect" so fans had Joe on a pedestal and refused to listen to anything but perfect commentary, didn't help either that he was easy to project on because nobody knew one thing about him. It took years to find out the man liked the colour blue. You could tell (just like her previous exes), he wasn't happy with being interlinked with her name, Taylor was; but Joe wasn't and the common ground excuse was "privacy" and maybe he truly was him being uncomfortable for all we know -- but it came off as pretentious and ingenuine at times. Especially when Taylor never shied away about publicly speaking about him and in high praises.
I hope whomever Taylor finds in the future actually admires her, and treats her right. I remember years ago she worked with Zac Efron, and for over a decade that man has never shied away from publicly speaking about Taylor Swift. He always spoke about her in awe, and or was cheering for her visibly and didn't care what anyone thought and before Taylor became the big star she is now, Zac was always one of the first people calling her "a legend" … "Angel" and acknowledging her talent. Especially during a peak time where Taylor faced so much misogynist comments, especially from previous exes (John Mayer, for e.g).
That's the type of person deserves. Someone willing to be her cheerleader, empathetic to her success and adores her for who she is, and isn't ashamed.
Unfortunately that was never Joe, but it's better to break up then go deeper and be miserable as time goes on.
So true
God, this is so devastating when you look at her dating history. All her exes were horrible to her. She finally finds someone she can be with for six years, but the caveat is that it has to be weirdly secrative to the point that he doesn't even seem to be proud to be in her life. I think Joe is a good guy, but the fact that he was THAT opposed to talking about their relationship really speaks to a larger issue. I won't speculate on why exactly he wouldn't divulge even a little bit into his relationship with the biggest pop star in the world. But after having heard You're Losing Me...man he fumbled HARD and its difficult to imagine that he doesn't regret that. I feel genuinely terrible that she told the world that she was so proud to be with her partner, and he wouldn't even give a hint to the public that he liked her. It's just a compatibility problem, but it kills me, and i'm dead
"How long could we be a sad song
'Til we were too far gone to bring back to life?
‼I gave you all my best me's, my endless empathy‼
And all I did was bleed as I tried to be the bravest soldier
Fighting in only your army
‼Frontlines, don't you ignore me‼
I'm the best thing at this party
(You're losin' me)
And I wouldn't marry me either
A pathological people pleaser
Who only wanted you to see her
And I'm fadin', thinkin'
"Do something, babe, ‼say something‼"
I think he wanted to talk about his career and movie and didn’t want to seem like he was getting fame for his girlfriend. Joe has been personal about all of his life and I feel like this is why they broke up, the constant talking about taylor swift and not his work. Must have been frustrating.
Ok tbh I've never really cared to google him, but I can see why he would want to keep his identity separate from hers. If he capitalized on associating his name with hers professionally, everyone would call him a clout chaser. I also think she might have been more into him because he treated her less like an adoring fan and more like a normal person.