Please note: there are over 50 pages of preliminary sketches that aided Cooke in filling in some of the missing harmony and counterpoint, especially in the second movement. Naturally, these sketch pages can not be shown in a continuous video. There's far less that had to be composed to fill the less fully textured portions of this great symphony than might be supposed.
I’m a Mahler fan, one might say, though i cannot read notes, or play an instrument, nor do i know anything about composing, but i know what i like. I fell in love with Mahler’s music ever since i first heard it in that Italian film (no explanation needed, i presume), and wanted to hear everything he made. I wouldn’t be able to tell if this version is the best. What i can say is that it sounds and feels profoundly Mahlerian to me. I can sympathize with great Mahler interpreters such as Bernstein, who had reasonable arguments as to why he did not want to perform the 10th (except the Adagio), but ultimately it would have been a shame and borderline criminal to deprive humanity of this wonderful work.
57:37 ff. has the most beautiful flute passage on earth - actually not from earth but from heaven !! And to listen to this with the original handwriting - what a gift !!!
Most striking about Cooke's realization is that he does not embellish it more than he has to. He leaves an extremely sparse string texture underneath which really brings out the flute in a special way. Most other completions embellish it a lot more and I really don't like that. Sure, maybe Mahler would have intended a more fleshed out texture but I honestly like Cooke's approach of adding as little as possible. If what Mahler wrote stands on its own (or almost does) sufficiently, he'll let it be.
@@Musicrafter12 Good observation. Yes, I agree. Just the bare whole notes in the Cellos and Violas to harmonically support the heavenly flute is a wonderful touch. Simplicity is often the best and most difficult.
There is so much more present in these sketches than some detractors would have you believe, and needs no added detail to fully work (and foolishly applied in some realizations), as has been frequently claimed. A true Mahler expert, such as Deryck Cooke, needed far fewer "deductions" than have been accorded him for his wonderful work in bringing this symphony to a performable edition-and surely, judging by the sound of it, it's infinitely closer to Mahler's vision than often has been allowed. 100% viable as a concert work by Mahler-in fact, could it be his greatest symphony?
I am convinced that is IS his greatest symphony - even though the 6th, the 9th, and "Das Lied von der Erde" are all summits of human artistic genius! Ever since having heard Cooke's version of the 10th for the first time, I would not have wanted ever to live without it again!
@@fredrickroll06 I can see that you are on the same page as me. . . right down to Das Lied, 6 and 9, as well. I still have a great soft spot for 1 (Horenstein/LSO), and, of course, 8 can't be ignored! That's not to say the rest are of no consequence, of course-just that the choices out of all are the top ones! But No. 10 does indeed come from somewhere else. . . .
This is one of those symphonies that takes you a few times to appreciate. The first time I listened to it, I liked it, but didn't think it was Mahler's best. Now, after listening to it many times, I think it is one of the greatest pieces of music ever written, or rather, partially written.
I love that you posted the Bernstein version of the first movement as I feel it's the best one, and then Cooke did a wonderful job with his efforts to complete the symphony.
The first movement conducted by Bernstein is NOT the Krenek version, but the Mahler International Society version of the facimile of Mahler's first movement orchestral draft - the only version Bernstein would perform, and the only movement of the tenth he ever conducted.
Ok but why at 6:35 the solo horn isn’t playing an E# as written in the manuscript on beat 4? There is never a consensus on that. We find recordings sometimes as for this one an F# being played ... it always been a schock for me. I played both : the Cooke version and the adagio alone as principal horn and always played an E#.
I have the Faber edition of this score in my posession. I'm so glad that I have it. It is excellent because you can actually read comparatively between what was written in the draft and then see what Cooke added.
Thank you , thank you , for this publication . Thirty years ago I bought for myself this fac-simile of the original handwritten score . I was completely upset for weeks . The music + the words of Mahler on the paper ...... this is unbearable .
Merci infiniment pour cette video, les éditions du facsimilé sont inaccessibles et cette video est un trésor ! Merci de faciliter l’accès à cette oeuvre intime et puissante
Cela aurait été désolant de nous priver des éclairs de beauté de cette symphonie, y compris du thème aux flûtes prodigieux du finale (57. 30 Einleitung/ Introduction ===> la même sorte d'éternité semi-désespérée que la fin de Das Lied von der Erde... Un sommet déchirant de la mystique musicale) pour des querelles de puristes... D. Cooke a fait un fameux travail qui mérite une reconnaissance absolue, unanime. Du reste, c'est du ahler qu'on entend, indubitablement et c'est d'autant plus fascinant... "Pour toi vivre Pour toi mourir" splendeur inimitable...
I think the 9th is the saddest because there's no catharsis or resolution. For all the heartbreak in the 10th, the last 5 glorious minutes not only resolve this symphony, but brings Mahler's entire output to a very satisfying conclusion. Mahler wrote: to live for you, to die for you Almschi!” over the last bars. And the extraordinary fortissimo outburst right before the final bars is a very clear reference to the climax of Isolde's Liebestod from the end if Tristan and Isolde.
Mahler wrote word to his wife give us pitiful,pathetic and to be impressed. This footage trying plan to show us handwritten score and to listen real sound us same moment,this is very wonderful!
It's entertaining to see the author scribble out phrases in frustration. Also, is this original urtext? It looks a bit on the modern side. Edit: Didn't bother to check the comments, I got my answer.
Would you know where one could acquire a copy of the handwritten score (if such a beautiful item is available)? Thank you for posting this marvelous video.
These aren't distributed commercially, and the original is of course priceless. You can download the score from imslp.com though and print one yourself.
If you mean the blows on the bass drum in the Finale, Mahler wrote in the score (addressed to Alma), "Only you know what it means." He and Alma watched from the window of their hotel room the funeral of a fireman who died in the line of duty. The only music played at the funeral was these strokes on the bass drum. The scales in the tuba are also a symbol of Death.
Every bar is by Mahler unlike other unfinished works that contain entire sections composed by the editor such as Mozart's Requiem, Puccini's Turandot, Busoni's Dr. Faust, and Falla's Atlantida, to name some other unfinished, final masterpieces.
It's unfinished because it wasn't orchestrated fully, which is almost as time inducing as the composition process itself. He sketched out the entire symphony in a reduction score (seen here) but died before orchestrating it properly
Like other's have pointed out "unfinished" in the case of the Mahler 10 does not mean incomplete. Like it does with for example Schubert's "Unfinished" or the Mozart Requiem. Horziontally the work is done. From the first bar of the Adagio to the final chord of the Finale. All laid out in sketch. Vertically it is unfinished.
Please note: there are over 50 pages of preliminary sketches that aided Cooke in filling in some of the missing harmony and counterpoint, especially in the second movement. Naturally, these sketch pages can not be shown in a continuous video. There's far less that had to be composed to fill the less fully textured portions of this great symphony than might be supposed.
I’m a Mahler fan, one might say, though i cannot read notes, or play an instrument, nor do i know anything about composing, but i know what i like. I fell in love with Mahler’s music ever since i first heard it in that Italian film (no explanation needed, i presume), and wanted to hear everything he made. I wouldn’t be able to tell if this version is the best. What i can say is that it sounds and feels profoundly Mahlerian to me. I can sympathize with great Mahler interpreters such as Bernstein, who had reasonable arguments as to why he did not want to perform the 10th (except the Adagio), but ultimately it would have been a shame and borderline criminal to deprive humanity of this wonderful work.
57:37 ff. has the most beautiful flute passage on earth - actually not from earth but from heaven !! And to listen to this with the original handwriting - what a gift !!!
Most striking about Cooke's realization is that he does not embellish it more than he has to. He leaves an extremely sparse string texture underneath which really brings out the flute in a special way. Most other completions embellish it a lot more and I really don't like that. Sure, maybe Mahler would have intended a more fleshed out texture but I honestly like Cooke's approach of adding as little as possible. If what Mahler wrote stands on its own (or almost does) sufficiently, he'll let it be.
@@Musicrafter12 Amen and solidly agreed .
@@Musicrafter12
Good observation. Yes, I agree. Just the bare whole notes in the Cellos and Violas to harmonically support the heavenly flute is a wonderful touch. Simplicity is often the best and most difficult.
The great outburst in the first and last movements always make me think of Munch's "The Scream".
This video shows as clearly as humanly possible how epoch-making Cooke's achievement - and how tragic the genesis of Mahler's score was!
A Mahler Symphony Cycle with score! A UA-cam treasure! Thank you so much!!
There is so much more present in these sketches than some detractors would have you believe, and needs no added detail to fully work (and foolishly applied in some realizations), as has been frequently claimed. A true Mahler expert, such as Deryck Cooke, needed far fewer "deductions" than have been accorded him for his wonderful work in bringing this symphony to a performable edition-and surely, judging by the sound of it, it's infinitely closer to Mahler's vision than often has been allowed. 100% viable as a concert work by Mahler-in fact, could it be his greatest symphony?
I am convinced that is IS his greatest symphony - even though the 6th, the 9th, and "Das Lied von der Erde" are all summits of human artistic genius! Ever since having heard Cooke's version of the 10th for the first time, I would not have wanted ever to live without it again!
@@fredrickroll06 I can see that you are on the same page as me. . . right down to Das Lied, 6 and 9, as well. I still have a great soft spot for 1 (Horenstein/LSO), and, of course, 8 can't be ignored! That's not to say the rest are of no consequence, of course-just that the choices out of all are the top ones! But No. 10 does indeed come from somewhere else. . . .
I really thank Cooke for all humanity. But best? That's a big order. Can't we just be happy for them all? Maybe the 15th would have been best?
I. 0:00:00
II. 0:26:09
III. 0:38:02
IV. 0:42:12
V. 0:55:07
Cooke's newest, 3rd Edition!!! Thank you for upload.
청음E Bella, Bella.
Danke, Thanks, Arrigado
This is one of those symphonies that takes you a few times to appreciate. The first time I listened to it, I liked it, but didn't think it was Mahler's best. Now, after listening to it many times, I think it is one of the greatest pieces of music ever written, or rather, partially written.
I love that you posted the Bernstein version of the first movement as I feel it's the best one, and then Cooke did a wonderful job with his efforts to complete the symphony.
I had the honor of playing this piece. It took a listen after the concert for me to really appreciate how well written this piece is.
Thanks so much for posting all 10 of the symphonies. Now I can study each score on my TV while I am listening to it. Amazing job
The first movement conducted by Bernstein is NOT the Krenek version, but the Mahler International Society version of the facimile of Mahler's first movement orchestral draft - the only version Bernstein would perform, and the only movement of the tenth he ever conducted.
Thanks for the correction!
Thanks. It's possible that an even newer version has been published by the Mahler Society since Bernstein made this video.
Ok but why at 6:35 the solo horn isn’t playing an E# as written in the manuscript on beat 4? There is never a consensus on that. We find recordings sometimes as for this one an F# being played ... it always been a schock for me. I played both : the Cooke version and the adagio alone as principal horn and always played an E#.
Thank you very very much for posting!!! I especially like this piece more than any works ever written I know.
18:25 - Wow! Still working my through this - maybe my sixth or seventh listen. Probably his least approachable work, but tremendously powerful.
37:15 ....... these tiny marks of ink on a small piece of paper for the most magical moment of the history of german symphonies ....
I have the Faber edition of this score in my posession. I'm so glad that I have it. It is excellent because you can actually read comparatively between what was written in the draft and then see what Cooke added.
thank you so much, the handwritten score is so beautiful!
17:38 The gates of hell slowly opening, exposing us how the world burns in Armageddon.
I have Mahlers unfinished and love it,the completion breathes of Mahler, l'm sure the Maestro would agree, Bless you Mahler.
Famous large chords (up to 9 different pitches of the chromatic scale) from 18'18"
Thank you , thank you , for this publication .
Thirty years ago I bought for myself this fac-simile of the original handwritten score .
I was completely upset for weeks .
The music + the words of Mahler on the paper ...... this is unbearable .
1:08:50 - The beginning of Mahler's Requiem. The music of death...
Merci infiniment pour cette video, les éditions du facsimilé sont inaccessibles et cette video est un trésor ! Merci de faciliter l’accès à cette oeuvre intime et puissante
Cela aurait été désolant de nous priver des éclairs de beauté de cette symphonie, y compris du thème aux flûtes prodigieux du finale (57. 30 Einleitung/ Introduction ===> la même sorte d'éternité semi-désespérée que la fin de Das Lied von der Erde... Un sommet déchirant de la mystique musicale) pour des querelles de puristes... D. Cooke a fait un fameux travail qui mérite une reconnaissance absolue, unanime. Du reste, c'est du ahler qu'on entend, indubitablement et c'est d'autant plus fascinant... "Pour toi vivre Pour toi mourir" splendeur inimitable...
From 1:10:10 is the beginning of death and a new life is reborn...
Saddest symphony that Mahler composed ever.
I think the 9th is the saddest because there's no catharsis or resolution. For all the heartbreak in the 10th, the last 5 glorious minutes not only resolve this symphony, but brings Mahler's entire output to a very satisfying conclusion. Mahler wrote: to live for you, to die for you Almschi!” over the last bars. And the extraordinary fortissimo outburst right before the final bars is a very clear reference to the climax of Isolde's Liebestod from the end if Tristan and Isolde.
Toccante.. spulciare tra le note e le ultime parole del maestro è davvero toccante..
Mahler wrote word to his wife give us pitiful,pathetic and to be impressed. This footage trying plan to show us handwritten score and to listen real sound us same moment,this is very wonderful!
Millionen Likes !!! schön, schön!!! es macht mich verrückt!!!!
It's entertaining to see the author scribble out phrases in frustration. Also, is this original urtext? It looks a bit on the modern side.
Edit: Didn't bother to check the comments, I got my answer.
T H E G E N I U S !
17:38 is when shit really starts happening.
hello, can you explain this part in musical terms please? is that a disonance or is there a proper musical term to describe that? thank you
@@emilymaze6616
Yes, of course it's a dissonance. A very Mahler-ian chord.
Fantastisch: wie hingeworfen!
Amazing.
24:58 Première musique spectrale ?
7:29 the gates of hell opening
7:29 Epic
I like Michael Gielen's version in 5th movement, because the finale has D minor to F# major
Would you know where one could acquire a copy of the handwritten score (if such a beautiful item is available)? Thank you for posting this marvelous video.
These aren't distributed commercially, and the original is of course priceless.
You can download the score from imslp.com though and print one yourself.
Purgatorio could have been an amazing movement
Why timpanis burst into surprising effect and tubas having scales too?
Because it's horrifying!
If you mean the blows on the bass drum in the Finale, Mahler wrote in the score (addressed to Alma), "Only you know what it means." He and Alma watched from the window of their hotel room the funeral of a fireman who died in the line of duty. The only music played at the funeral was these strokes on the bass drum. The scales in the tuba are also a symbol of Death.
Just sticking with the 3 Cooke versions, what are the fundamental differences between version nos. 1, 2 and 3?
18:21
4:37
It's unfinished and it's got over one hour? Jesus..
Every bar is by Mahler unlike other unfinished works that contain entire sections composed by the editor such as Mozart's Requiem, Puccini's Turandot, Busoni's Dr. Faust, and Falla's Atlantida, to name some other unfinished, final masterpieces.
It's unfinished because it wasn't orchestrated fully, which is almost as time inducing as the composition process itself.
He sketched out the entire symphony in a reduction score (seen here) but died before orchestrating it properly
Like other's have pointed out "unfinished" in the case of the Mahler 10 does not mean incomplete. Like it does with for example Schubert's "Unfinished" or the Mozart Requiem.
Horziontally the work is done. From the first bar of the Adagio to the final chord of the Finale. All laid out in sketch.
Vertically it is unfinished.
Violins 14:43
1:02:20 - 1:02:30 that gave me Symphony no. 6 vibes 😮
If Mahler came back to life, he would laugh and say, who is this trying to copy my orchestration!!
Nonsense.
Horseshit
Is it not possible to get rid of that idiotic title "song"? They're not "songs".
Ernst Krenek
少有的!
40:25 o gott!!
how do you manage to pick the worst recording for cooke 3? riccardo chailly's version is superior
The second movement sounds so much like the soundtrack to the Harry Potter movies
Or the Harry Potter movies sound like this...
It's the other way around, isn't it.
Wow what a cheaply made knock-off of Scriabin is my dog's Symphony No.1, "Vehement" ! Nice try.
Bro wtf
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Lol
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