8. John Nelson Darby and Dispensationalism
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- During the Second Great Awakening of the early 19th Century, a parallel movement in England produced the innovative eschatological scheme known as Dispensationalism, the creation of John Nelson Darby. This movement was widely popularized in American through James Brooks and his most famous protege, C.I. Scofield. For more free resources, please visit www.brucegore.com.
It’s sad to note that a simple lie can cause such a serious damage from one generation to another!
Absolutely true! Hence it is always a struggle for the truth to permeate the hearts of men! But ultimately the truth shall prevail over devil lies in Jesus Christ Name
Crapture
@@dafflad1 The rapture is a biblical concept in I Thessalonnians 4:16-17. Dispensationalism is not, but neither is so-called "Covenant Theology" or the evils of Calvinism.
@@richardlee2120 1 Thessalonians 1:10
and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead-Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
The wrath was already coming at the time when the book was written.
1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out.
They displease God and are hostile to everyone in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.
The wrath of God was coming upon them “at last”. This means it’s “around the corner”. It is however not directed towards the whole world but just the Jews who oppose the gospel from being taught to the Gentiles. Hence it could not have been directed to the whole world which makes up almost the whole world.
1 Thessalonians 3:3-4
so that no one would be unsettled by these trials. For you know quite well that we are destined for them. In fact, when we were with you, we kept telling you that we would be persecuted. And it turned out that way, as you well know.
Paul tells the listeners to his letter who was addressed to that they were destined for this. Not our generation but theirs.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-4
The Day of the Lord
Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.
This tells us that the Thessalonians had at that time already know when the “thief in the night” was coming. There was no need for Paul to tell them when he was coming.
In others words, the whole letter tells us the events mentioned in the whole book was about to take place at that time.
So I have a question.
How can the following verses be interpreted to be events that have yet to happen until today?
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Christ is your hope of glory. Not some rapture in the future.
@@richardlee2120 Let me say this.
Did you know whenever Paul mentions “in the air” he does not mean in mid-air but that “the spiritual realm”?
Ephesians 2:2
2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
The air was the realm of Satan. It was where you were spiritually. So when Paul says:
1 Thessalonians 4:17
17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
It means you are transferred from the kingdom of darkness into his kingdom of marvelous light.
You were transformed from Sinai to Zion. You were transformed from
“Worshipping in Jerusalem” to “worshipping in the spirit”. You no longer look toward the “old Jerusalem and it’s temple” for worship. You now look into yourself as the new temple and the New Jerusalem.
You are transformed in the spiritual realm from Adam to Christ. You are moved from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness.
You are transformed from Hagar to Sarah. You are transformed from the bride of the Law to the bride of Christ.
Paul tells us when that was going to happen.
2 Corinthians 3:15-18
15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever- increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
This transformation happened when the veil is taken away. It happen when we see the Spirit.
What is this veil that is taken away? It is the Law of Moses. You know when that happened?
AD70. When the temple was destroyed. It was when the veil is fully lifted away. That was when you were transformed with a blink of an eye.
That’s when your engagement to Jesus became a wedding. You are as he is in heaven.
Romans 16:20
20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.
The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.
The key word to this promise is “soon”. Not 1000 years. Not 2000 years. But soon.
Paul tells us that we will meet Jesus in the air in 1st Thessalonians 4.
A quick overview of 1st Thessalonians.
1 Thessalonians 1:10
and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead-Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
The wrath was already coming at the time when the book was written.
1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out.
They displease God and are hostile to everyone in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.
The wrath of God was coming upon them “at last”. This means it’s “around the corner”. It is however not directed towards the whole world but just the Jews who oppose the gospel from being taught to the Gentiles. Hence it could not have been directed to the whole world which makes up almost the whole world.
1 Thessalonians 3:3-4
so that no one would be unsettled by these trials. For you know quite well that we are destined for them. In fact, when we were with you, we kept telling you that we would be persecuted. And it turned out that way, as you well know.
Paul tells the listeners to his letter who was addressed to that they were destined for this. Not our generation but theirs.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-4
The Day of the Lord
Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.
This tells us that the Thessalonians had at that time already know when the “thief in the night” was coming. There was no need for Paul to tell them when he was coming.
In others words, the whole letter tells us the events mentioned in the whole book was about to take place at that time.
So I have a question.
How can the following verses be interpreted to be events that have yet to happen until today?
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Jesus tells that in Luke that Satan fell like lightning.
Luke 10:18
18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Do you know where your position is at this moment?
Ephesians 1:20
20 which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms,
Seated in the heavenly realms. So you see you already have met him in the air. The word “in the air” means the heavenly realms. In fact it was where Satan dwelled.
Ephesians 2:2
2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
So you see the prince of the air got kicked out when you met Jesus in the air and when you took your seat in the heavenly realms.
That happened in AD70. That’s why Paul said in Romans 16 at the time he was writing it: He will SOON crush Satan under YOUR feet.
Since it has happened in AD70, He has crushed Satan under your feet.
That’s who you are now. Seated with him. Forever.
There is only one Dispensation through all history, and it is God's offer of salvation by "grace through faith' in the blood sacrifice, starting with the animals killed to create the clothes to cover Adam and Eve's nakedness and culminating in the sacrifice of God's Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ, for the sins of all mankind.
Precisely. GOD IS IMMUTABLE. Anyone who accepts the false gospel of Dispensationalism, believes God has changed.
Fohpono - That is such a ridiculous statement. Do you think God treated Abraham who was reckoned righteous by faith, to be the same as how Israel were treated by God under Law. God's promise to Abraham was unconditional, whereas the treatment from God towards Israel was totally conditional on their obedience to the Law.
It is perfectly clear that, though God does not change and cannot change, that He however treats man according to the 'light' that he has from God. The very fact that Abraham knew God as the Almighty, and Israel knew God as Jehovah, shows that God treats men differently down the ages in different dispensations. In this dispensation which we now live in God has revealed Himself, through the Son, as 'Father'. Completely differently again from Israel.
@@Hebrew42Day I believe in different dispensations, but I do not believe that God has changed. However, God makes Himself known according to the light we have from Him. It is clear that you are still in the dark in regard to the teachings of the apostle Paul and the Lord Jesus Christ himself.
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 Very VERY well said, SL. Thank you for that!
God's principles have not changed. His program of Salvation has changed through time.
I was looking for an impartial biographical telling of Darby and this was great! I appreciate the work you’ve presented.
John Darby was trained by the Jesuits and so was Charles Tate.John teached a false 7 year tribulation a secret rapture which is no where in the bible.Jesus says in John 6:39,40,44,54, John 11:24 says raise him up at the last day.Job 14:12-14.Darby,Charles Tate were Free Masons who the Jesuits controls all secret societies.
Dispensational ideas can be traced to the first century.
ua-cam.com/video/4HkPrUKhPug/v-deo.htmlsi=f33JPViY3VyO1_sl
Steve Gregg has a video that covers some of Darby's bio.
@@debravictoria7452 I’ll check it out
Thanks for the history lesson! I was raised in Herbert Armstrong’s WWCG. I was jaded from that experience, left as a young teenager. I was born again years later and fell in love with the Good News. Part of the gospel that excited me was the fact (as a young Christian, post WWCG!) the veil was torn, Christ also fulfilled the law and the prophets!!
I have a brother in Christ who is dispensational. I have dove into eschatology in the last year and found myself squarely in the amillenial camp.
This helps me understand why dispensational teachings bother me so much as H. Armstrong was quite tied with this whole movement.
My friend and I do Not agree on eschatology, but we do agree on Jesus Christ. The Church does need unity, but we also need, good teaching, sound doctrine.
Thanks for the encouraging feedback. Keep praying. God is very good at changing minds with or without much help from us!
Very far, Armstrong is a cult
These lectures (this and one by Russel Moore) demonstrate the genuineness of the dangers of which Jesus warned - multiple false messiahs proceeding His future return but ironically occuring at a point in time described "when the Son of Man might not find faith on earth". This, all these abberant theologies should be expected. The Bible asserts that some spiritual truths had been hidden by God until after His passion and arrest of Saul, the (sole) apostle to the Gentiles OF THE WORLD, NOT just to Jews in Israel.
Bible believers ARE premillennialist, pretribulationist,
Hello, the Lord showed the rotten roots of Darbyism as well. However, I want to encourage you in the Lord to test amillenialism also according to the word of God.
Don't be tempted into thinking the opposite of one false doctrine equals truth.
Just after watching part two of your series Brother and thoroughly enjoyed it😃Couldn’t resist your we teaser on J.N. Darby and dispsationalism in part 8.But surely Darby didn’t invent dispensationalism,as there were dispensational models before Darby.For example,Pierre Poiret and John Edwards etc…! Also is it not fair to say that Darby became a believer in the pre tribulation rapture no later then 1826,or 1827 at the latest? And surely Darby couldn’t of gotten his pre tribulationism from Margaret McDonald,Edward Irvine or,some would say,Manuel de Lacunza,as Lacunza was a 45 day partial rapture post tribulationist,and McDonald was also a partial rapture post tribulationist(She believed that,“the trial of the church is from Antichrist”). (Both were really of the two stage pre conflagration post rapture view of Joseph Mede).And Edward Erving also believed in a post rapture second coming of Christ.Erving actually wrote that,”we have blessed be God lived to see the commencement of the seventh vial,during the outpouring of which the Lord will come”.He obviously believed that the church was already in the tribulation period.Please don’t think that I’m trying to be argumentative brother,I’m really not.Darby said himself that he saw his pre tribulationism in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2.And that he saw in Isaiah chapter 32:1 A new economy of God when “a King shall reign in righteousness”. I really am enjoying your videos,even though I am of a different school then yourself. Blessings in Christ brother📖✝️🙂
The words they use in the NT are types and shadows of the OT. Such as coming in the clouds. Keep in mind Culture and Content.
I am fed up of all the isms that have suddenly appeared. I have known my Lord and saviour Jesus Christ since I was sixteen, I am now sixty eight. Why is it people who invent these ism,s cannot just accept Jesus our saviour and messiah, God our father the hol y ghost, and God's word the bible. If you don't understand God's words pray for understanding, pray for wisdom and God's knowledge it's easy. If you are walking true faithfully and believing God will answer all your prayers and give you the answers he feels are necessary to your question. Then you will know and believe in terms gospel. Try it as it does work.
False Gospel Paul warned about. God's promises are by election. Romans 9 9-18.
Dispensationalism is a biblical doctrine that is why the word dispensation is in the Bible!
You must be joking right?
One Lord, one faith, one baptism, one Father:
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one
baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all,
and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the
measure of the gift of Christ.
Habukkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up
is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the
Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to
righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of
righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore?
Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law.
For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in
Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall
not be ashamed.
Romans 11: 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness,
if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a
good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
1 Corinthians 10: Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and
all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Luke 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
this was a very enlightening history lesson. it answered my questions about Darby. It's no wonder why there is so much confusion in religion to this day. I count myself blessed to be a bible believer. I try to pray and search out the truth on my own and I have a few friends who do the same. It's very hard these days to know what's true. thank you for your work
Thanks for your kind feedback!
Tammy Arndt I'm the same way. I said God, even though I have been taught one thing, I want to know what the Lord is truly saying because as a preacher of the gospel I dont want to lead His people into lies, but truth. It's sad. My heart hurts. I want Gods heart
Dispensationalism was definitely taught in the early Church. If you care to know the truth go here biblereasons.com/dispensationalism-and-the-early-church-fathers/ and see for yourself
@@pastorpresent1134 Good article thanks.
Past or Present
See what Jesus himself says in Mark 13 and Matthew 24. Clearly no secret Rapture or preTrib Rapture.
And now today we have UA-cam full of people saying they receiving dreams and visions from God that the rapture is here any day now
The John Nelson Darby section starts at 19:44
God bless you brother. I really enjoy your work. Thank you so much for sharing your love of God & your passion for history with the rest of us. You perspectives & insights are such a treat for a person like me. Your work has even helped me to be better equipped to answer questions for people trying to learn the Word & to understand where we are in this time, where history & prophecy meet in the Word of God. Thank you so much & may you be richly blessed in Jesus' name.
I am very grateful for your warm and generous encouragement. Thank you and blessings to you in your ministry!
Very little of the information given about Joseph Smith was accurate. I like Bruce and appreciate his work but this was lazy research.
I don’t think that was the main point he was trying to get across. To give a biography life of a Joseph Smith
Having recently been freed from dispensational premillennialism this is what I need to hear. Shortly after Jesus saved me in 1990, I was hungry for information. In Yuma, Az at a bookstore I came across “The Late Great Planet Earth” written by Hal Lindsey. Unfortunately that became my eschatology for the next 30 years.
Over the past 8 to 10 months the Lord has opened my eyes to this unscriptural view of the end times that permeates most of Evangelical America. He’s brought some excellent teachers to my attention. Gary Demar, Jim Jordan, Hank Hannagraffe and others. I just recently discovered Bruce Gore, a superb teacher of World history and Biblical history.
This is great, I’m 65 years old and look forward to learning as much as I can and unlearning a whole lot. I just never thought that there is a different interpretation of Scripture. This is really refreshing. I’m reinvigorated and excited to read Gods Word, trying to understand it as the author intended and the original audience understood it.
Thank you Professor Gore for your dedication to your calling ! 😁
My friend, a message like that makes it all worth it! Thank you.
Thank so much for the other teachers names. God bless you 🙏
It’s sad that you started with the truth but you’ve drifted away from it over time. I have experienced Christians such as Doug Hamp, Kent Hovind, and Rob Skiba who loved Chuck Missler’s teachings, but then changed horses by going from pre-trib to post-trib.
@@Landis_Grant Don’t quite understand why it’s sad. We will all end up in the same place. Worshiping the Lord of Glory for Eternity !
....what eschatology do you believe now.
I was raised in the Plymouth Brethren Church tarted by John Nelson Darby and over the years it has turned into a cult, I left this church in 1997.
And it is still a cult :(
@@MRAGFT7 I've never heard it described as a cult before? What aspects make it a cult?
@@Tom-qo4mz to make it short: the insane amount of legalism. Even if a believing baptist comes in, he/she cannot partake in the Lord's supper nor talk or share anything from the pulpit or just simply pray. You have to adhere to the church first, then you can do all of that.
Also, if as a man you are not in a suit then you're not allowed to partake in the Lord's supper nor ask for a song or even pray. In addition, women from church are not allowed to enter unless they have a head covering.
I'm not making this up, I come from one, so I know what I'm talking about. And to me all that pretty much makes it into a cult, sadly.
@@MRAGFT7 damn, ty for the info! :/
@@MRAGFT7
That’s crazy, I didn’t know all that. I recently read the dispute and animosity that John Nelson Darby and Benjamin Wills Newton had in regard to their different Eschatologies. Basically, my understanding is Darby would excommunicate anyone who did not agree with his dispensationalism. I don’t think it was like that right away but it became like that in time. In other words, Darby’s dispensationalism became the factor as to whether or not someone was a brother in Christ to him. A lot of people do not know this venomous and disastrous character of Darby. This is how the open Brethren and Exclusive brethren were formed. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I have been wondering where this end time stuff got started. Thank you for giving a clear and true explanation. I love Jesus and have walked with Him 60 years. This fits what the Worldview that I have today. Your explanation on Revelation is the best. I will keep the truth close like a costly pearl necklace, and not let it go. Thanks again.
I appreciate your encouraging words. Thank you!
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants?
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)
10. Watch the UA-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
I recently did a video "Who is the Antichrist and why does it matter", and in the description I have a playlist with a Chris Pinto video you may find interesting.
(From the Bible) The end. The Beast
Lawlessness and iniquity were already at work when Revelation in the Bible was written. People had already started another movement and were preaching another Jesus, 2 Cor 11, 2 Thes 2:7. And it was for this reason Revelation was penned in riddles and a conundrum to understand. For the abandonment of the truth had already begun and the mysteries of heaven were hidden from those of this world. And is now revealed in this last day, Mt 13:11, Rv 14:6.
What Revelation tells is a perplexing story. And to paraphrase what it forewarns and says: is there are two beasts that come to power. The way the story unfolds in Revelation is the first beast will suffer a head wound and appears dead when a second beast emerges on the scene. The second beast acquires all the first beast's power and helps heal the first beast's head wound, whereby he restores the first beast.
At which point, the second beast will make an image of the first beast causing it to say great things. And he will kill everyone who refuses to worship him or the image he has created.
Now if that isn't enough the second beast has a number for his name, which is 666.
To understand what Revelation is saying; You will have to realize when Jesus came he cast evil spirits out of many people. This enabled him to heal their ailments.
One example of spirit possession was when, Jesus was in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, the spirit in this man cried out with a loud voice, saying, Leave us alone; what do we have to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? have you come to destroy us? I know you are the Holy One of God. At which point Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and cast the evil spirit out of him. Lk 4: 33-35. That verse in Scripture reveals the devil is an evil spirit that inhabits people and he knows Jesus is the Christ.
In fact, later that day, when the sun was setting, many sick people were brought unto Christ; and Jesus laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them. And those who were possessed by devils came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ, Lk 4: 40-41, Mt 8:16. So you see, evil spirits in people will confess Christ is the Son of God but obviously don’t follow his teachings.
There are many other Scriptures that reveal this evil spirit's existence. And whether people believe in this presentation of the Bible or not, the beast is an evil spirit and the devil mentioned in Revelation!
Then if you can understand the beast is an evil spirit, you will be able to interpret Revelation thirteen and Revelation seventeen. Whereas a beast would rise and it would have seven heads but these heads are actually mountains, Rv 17:9. As we know, on this day, there are seven continents that make up this world. And if you could visualize a continent rising out of the sea, you would know it is a huge mountain. Hence the seven heads on this beast are the seven continents because it was the devil's goal to deceive the entire world, Rv 12:9!
Now the first player or, as Revelation explained, the "first beast" was the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire ruled the world with an iron hand. They didn't accept Christ's teachings of evil spirits possessing them and they were in throes of Satan. They followed their own philosophies and once Christ was crucified; they persecuted the true Christians. Only God knows the atrocities they put them through. Whereby, it was given unto him (the evil spirit in them) to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations Rv 13:7. The world.
Then Revelation explains the first beast would suffer a head wound and appear dead yet he would survive. So, one continent or that being one head on the beast was diffused. And of course, that was the Roman Empire (Europe). The Roman Empire was annihilated but after some years the continent was reestablished, however, they didn’t regain the power, she once enjoyed, Rv 13:3. This was because a second beast was rising. He appeared to have two horns like a lamb and spoke as a dragon, Rv 13:11. Having two horns like a lamb signifies two powers, and a lamb symbolizes Jesus.
Approximately 666 AD history reveals during the Roman Empire’s demise there arose two apostate theologies fitting the description of a lamb. Both are divided into many issues but worship the same god in fact three of them. At first, they destroyed Israel and she was not a nation for nearly two thousand years Mth 24: 16-20.
The teachings Christ brought were ignored and the doctrine of peace by force was adopted. Which eventually led to WWI and WWII. They made statues of those whom they killed even praying to them. They caused a movement that proclaimed to the world they were capable to lead all to Christ. These men saw how the true apostles called upon God's Spirit, and they assumed they could do the same thing. But because they were not established by the God of heaven, they caused those who followed them to receive an evil spirit whom they called the Holy Spirit. Even, 2 Corinthians 11:4 explains they preach another Jesus and take into them another spirit. This is in fact the abomination that brought ruin upon the world. Revelation explains this by saying; The second beast would cause the world to worship the first beast ( an evil spirit). Whereby people accepted another spirit in place of him who is Holy. Jn 2:18, 3Tim 3:17. Thus causing the world to worship the beast (an evil spirit) as God.
Paul explained in Acts twenty, verse thirty, and thirty-one how these imposters were sitting with him. He warned how they would become apostate theologians. And explained how they would not spare the true church. But in fact, they would speak headstrong theology and would be against what Christ taught. They were obviously covetous and their goal was to make merchandise out of people and get followers to follow them. So, I hope you see, because it is one thing to sin which all of us are guilty of, but another thing to be governed by evil's depths. One example of a person who is governed by the depths of depravity is those who are serial killers. And if you knew a religious leader was conveying lies to his flock, causing them to die and end up in hell wouldn't you consider this leader a serial killer?
And by all of this, I hope you are able to comprehend the beast is an evil spirit that influences people and if you are able to realize the first beast was an evil spirit that influenced the Roman Empire. The second beast was another population also influenced by this spirit. They would create an image of the first beast. Whereby the image would be likeness which would be another country with the same ambitions as the Empire.
Sure there were wars that brought in the beginning of sorrows. WWI and WWII. But when the abomination of desolation is made known we find trouble not seen before. At which point we find a man will rise in power. And he will claim he is capable of saving the world. This is the man spoken of in Thessalonians. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not, Mt 24:26. “Those who see "him" will gaze at him, And consider him, saying: 'Is this the one who made the earth tremble, Isa 14:16.
@@bbell873is there Bible references that would show that the recipients of the book would have understood the seven heads to mean seven continents? I understand that not everyone will understand, because their comprehension is purposely inhibited, but were the seven continents a reality at the time?
Oliver Rigdon? Or, Sidney Rigdon.
I thought this was about DISPENSATIONALISM!!!!
nearly half of this vid and I've only heard about false teachers.
I love history so im not saying the history of Witnesses and Mormonism isn't interesting but that is NOT what I came here looking for right now.
I clicked on this vid for dispensationism. Maybe this needs new title.
Anybody can look smart nowadays
Oliver Cowdery was a witness. Sidney Rigdon was the Baptist preacher who joined them and was accused of stealing the idea from an author. No worries ... I get the names in history mixed up sometimes myself. Excellent lessons. Thanks.
Thanks for the clarification!
I wish it didn't take so long to get to the John Darby part. At first, I thought this video was mislabeled but do appreciate the information.
Also the Watchtower was originally "Zion's Watchtower", not "God's Watchtower".
+Aloysius MacGlumpfer Thank you. You are quite correct.
After several years of secular existence, I was attracted to Charles Taze Russell's Bible Students Association, because of some of their teachings. But, I was always skeptical of their 1874/1914 eschatology. I started challenging it, and the movement had a vertical split in India, with one group sticking to 1874/1914 and the other becoming plain vanilla futurists.
Though I was the one who initiated the debate, I didn't become part of either the groups. I chose to study the Bible. I studied the Bible, several times, noting down all the dates, coming of the Lord, prophecies ... and so on. And, I became a Preterist, even when I didn't know of such a word.
I have shared your videos on Facebook and I think quite a few people appreciate them.
Regards,
Tomsan
Thanks for the interesting bio, and thanks for your encouragement!
Biblical eschatology refines as time progresses.
@@lauroandrea3241 Biblical eschatology is within the Bible and it remains the same. People come up with their own theories, mostly because they want those who they hate to be portrayed as villains and enemies of God.
He was known as the father of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. They called themselves Bible students and Dr. Ruthaford took over for Taz as president of the organization. (The watchtower Bible and tract society)
Thank you for these lectures
Your Sunday school message at the end was profound and reminded me of Matt 23:3
Thank you!
When he discusses Joseph Smith, he mentions Oliver Rigdon as a scribe during the translation of the Book of Mormon. I believe he meant Oliver Cowdery. Sidney Rigdon came a little later
Thanks for the correction!
Thank you for the information. I appreciate your even handed approach to things you probably disagree with. It’s nice to hear the general facts without the constant judgement.
The rapture is a textually established doctrine; inscripturated by the Apostle Paul. Do you want the smear Paul and the Bible also?
The Pre Trib LIE was never ever Taught by Paul!
Paul Taught the same Doctrine as Jesus and that is Post Tribulation!
@@RaptureofSaints Paul and John taught the doctrine. Take you reformed, allegorical glasses off.
@@bibleblessingsministries2964 Paul and John ONLY Taught the Doctrine that Jesus Taught! Never did John and Paul Teach against the Doctrine that Jesus Taught! Paul said to the Church that Jesus is NOT COMING to GATHER the Church to Himself (UNTIL) The APOSTASY and the REVEALING of the Man of Sin takes place FIRST whom Jesus destroys when the Church is Raptured to Meet Jesus!
Jesus and John and Gabriel Taught this same Truth!
No Man of God in Scripture Taught the Pre Trib LIE!
Throw away your Books of men and instead Trust what Jesus says!
@@RaptureofSaints you sound angry. The rapture and earthly reign of Christ are Bible. You've been tricked by allegorization. Once you see that it becomes clear. Don't allegorize
@@bibleblessingsministries2964 I can assure you that I am in no way angry! I will however speak openly against the False Pre Trib Rapture Doctrine that is from Satan himself!
It is NOT I that is speaking allegorically!
I am REPEATING what Paul the Apostle and Jesus our Lord said as Written!
The Harpazo / Rapture that Paul taught was NOT pre Trib in any way!
Paul declared in 1 Thessalonians 4 that the COMING of Jesus Christ and the RESURRECTION will take place BEFORE we will ever TOGETHER Be Raptured from the earth into the Clouds so as to Meet Jesus!
Paul spoke of that SAME COMING of Jesus and the SAME Gathering Together of the Church to Meet Jesus in 2 Thessalonians 2!
Paul made it 100% Clear to the Church that Jesus is NOT COMING to GATHER the CHURCH to Himself UNTIL the APOSTASY and the REVEALING of the Man of Sin takes place FIRST whom Jesus destroys at his COMING when we are Raptured to Meet Jesus!
This is Exactly what Jesus Taught the Church and is exactly what Gabriel Prophesied in Daniel!
Jesus TOLD us all what we MUST SEE before we are to KNOW when That Day and Hour of His COMING will be NEAR and WHEN we ar to Begin LOOKING UP!
It sure aint Pre Trib Filth!
Jesus TOLD us all to NOT follow after and to NOT believe anyone that Prophesys Christs COMING before the Tribulation and during the Tribulation as they are Seducers and Deceivers and False Prophets!
The Pre Trib Doctrine of Satan is NOT Taught by any Man of God in Scripture!
There is NO Verse in Scripture that supports or SAYS such a LIE!
That Simple!
I will NOT be deceived by the Pre Trib rapture LIE of Satan!
A lie can travel half way around the world while truth in putting on it's shoes. Charles Spurgeon. Likewise blinkers diminish the light.
Spurgeon and his siding with Darwin
I find the balance within evangelical churches, particularly, baptist churches. Not Presbyterians steeped in tradition.😅
I had never heard of Darby before stumbling on it on you tube. I as a Bible Believing Christian saved by the Grace and Mercy of GOD Ephesian 2:8-9 through the shed blood of Jesus Christ study the scriptures as stated by Paul in 2 Timothy 2:15 have come to the conclusion that the Word of GOD does acknowledge a dispensation of time and references Jews and Gentiles (others) whom he is speaking to.
Acts 10:34
King James Version
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons. There is neither jew nor Greek, completely fake theology!
My mother is always still here and she believes in the secret rapture and seven year tribulation. But if it was made up, it isn’t going to happen.
I am tickled that those whose eschatology was phoned in by the late great john calvin ( who, btwy, codified a supreme soteriology), are, now firmly ensconced in their 500 year old throne, those who ridicule something they perceive as arising in recent history. There is a recent offering by excellent scholars who submit convincingly that the dispy tradition adorns the faith at every point back to the the early church, and, indeed, the bible. Enjoy your lofty, if temporary, perch, beloved.
As far as Joseph Smith goes, the church he started broke up rather spectacularly after he was out of the picture. The offshoots have differing views about what really happened. As I've tried to research this subject, I've found a patchwork story that is more convoluted the more I look into it. I'm of the opinion that Joseph Smith didn't do or say even half of the things written about him and that the LDS church history was rewritten to match the worldview of people like Brigham Young, John Bennett, and Elisa Snow. I'm certainly no apologist for the mormons, but I just want people to keep in mind that their history is very complicated and there are many more people to learn about than just Joseph.
I do agree that the mormon church survived in Utah because of Brigham Young's organizational skills, but only despite his harshness and debauchery. If the church had prophets, then Brigham was not one of them.
The dispensation of grace revealed to Paul began with Jesus atoning death. death, burial and resurrection.
kind Sir it must be UA-cam. For I just commented again. And It showed, until a few moments, and it was gone. Sad, but OH so true. Oh Well. Take care kind Sir.
Joseph Smith....."Lucy Harris smart smart smart!!! Martin Harris dumb.... " Oh how the South Park episode just keeps creeping in lol lol
To suggest that an ecstatic utterance at an Irving event planted the idea of a Rapture in Darby's head and formed the basis of his eschatology is patently false. Oft repeated by those who prefer CliffNote shortcuts to genuine historical and biblical research. Go to the primary sources and read!
I know very little about Darby but anyone who thought the Jews could return to their ancestral land in the early 1800s when there was maybe 20000 Jews in the land has much more credibility with me than the creator of this video.
BTW Isaac Newton also believed the Jews would return to their ancestral land.
So very blessed I am to listen to you. I confess I listen to the same segment like 6 times. Kinda let it sink in.
Thank you!
Don’t put any date on Christ’s return. The Bible says not to do that and anyone that does “”date set”” is just plain wrong….but we can know the approximate time of when Christ will return WHEN WE SEE SOME MAJOR SIGNS spoken of in the Bible. Where in the Bible ? Study the Bible for yourself and find out for yourself and teach yourself. Ask God for understanding as you “study” the Bible for yourself and STOP AUTOMATICALLY believing preachers and teachers who “MIGHT BE WRONG”. Let the teachers and preachers guide you in the right direction in Bible study but BE A BEREAN as in Acts 17:11. We are in the end times , but not in the last 7 years yet. So when is Christ going to return ? 10 years ? 20 years ? 30 ? 40 ? ????? Do your OWN Bible study ….you’re smart enough to to figure it out by yourself more or less. Read Revelation , Matthew , Mark , Luke , Second Thessalonians chapter 2 , Ezekiel , Daniel. Preachers and teachers can be wrong and have been wrong OFTEN. Do your own Bible study !!!!! BE A BEREAN AS IN ACTS 17:11…..and don’t let anyone convince you you can’t. Bible school helps but is not needed. Anyone can study the Bible by themselves. Satan’s lie is ➡️ “the Bible is too hard to understand”…..the truth is “the Bible is easy to understand for the most part”.
What is disappointing, there are many pastors with advanced degree's that hold these truths. You probably will not read it in a statement of faith or know they are preaching a dispensation theology. This is popular with non-denominational and Baptist church leaders.
1x(7/22/22)…1….5:00…..No scripture or no mention of Darby in the 1st 12 minutes
JN Darby started the exclusive brethren and started dispensationalism.
Mr. Gore: Darby did not invent dispensationalism. Attempting to refute a pure Biblical doctrine by pointing to the past failures of men is absurd. What does the Bible say when the correct Biblical methods of interpretation are applied? That's what you should be teaching.
Paul makes at least four references to dispensations (divine administrations of time governed by a revelation from God) in his letters:
1 Corinthians 9:17
Ephesians 1:10
Ephesians 3:2
Colossians 1:25
In the Bible, a dispensation is the divine administration of a period of time, or a divinely appointed age. These ages are ordained by God to order the affairs of the world. Because they are found in the Bible I refer to them as Biblical dispensations.
There are eight distinct Biblical ages, time frames, or dispensations. Each of these Biblical dispensation have a beginning and an end.
1. Innocence (Genesis 1:1-3:7),
2. Conscience (Genesis 3:8-8:22),
3. Human government (Genesis 9:1-11:32),
4. Promise (Genesis 12:1-Exodus 19:25),
5. Law (Exodus 20:1-Acts 2:4),
6. Grace (Acts 2:4-Revelation 20:3), and
7. Tribulation (Daniel 9:24-27; Revelation 11:2-7; Revelation 13:5-6; Matthew 24:15)
8. Millennial Kingdom (Revelation 20:4-6).
These Biblical dispensations are spans of time in which God relates to man in various ways and proves specific instructions to people living in those ages. Are you building an Ark? Why not? The Bible says to build and Ark? You are not building an Ark because that instruction was for another time and for someone else.
The above list of dispensations results from the literal, grammatical, historical method of interpreting the Bible (the Biblical Method). With this method, meaning is extracted from scripture while seeking to understand the context. Symbols, times. places, and figures of speech are all interpreted plainly while respecting the immediate and remote contexts, which results in the clear Biblical distinction between: the elect of Israel (a.k.a. the Bride of Christ) and; another group of elect in God's divine plan known as the Body of Christ.
Incidentally it was this Biblical Method of interpreting the scriptures always leads people to reject the man made Trinity doctrine that is only found taught and explained in man made creeds.
Language was given by God so He could communicate with mankind. He communicates with mankind today through His written word. The written word is God's universal revelation and it requires universal methods for interpreting it.
We know that every prophecy about Jesus in the Old Testament was fulfilled literally. Jesus' birth, ministry, death, and resurrection were all fulfilled literally, just as the Old Testament predicted. There are no non-literal fulfillment of prophecies in the New Testament, which is why the literal method is Biblical.
The prophets, Jesus, the Apostles, and Paul taught the historical Biblical accounts had literally taken place.
Without objective Biblical methods of interpretation, the meaning ceases to be objective and becomes subjective. The subjective method is never universally accepted and it leads to error, divisions, and confusion because each person decides what the Bible means to them instead of learning the meaning the author intended for us to receive and believe.
The Bible teaches us that it was written for two distinct peoples of God: Israel (The Bride of Christ) and the Church (The Body of Christ). The NT church is the Body of Christ. The elect of Israel is the Bride of Christ. Christ does not marry his body in heaven, he marries his Bride. For far too long people have confused the Body of Christ with the Bride of Christ in Revelation.
The Bible teaches the Church has NOT replaced Israel in God’s plan, and the Old Testament promises to Israel have not been transferred to the Church. The promises God made to Israel for land, many descendants, and blessings are still to be fulfilled in the 1000-year period spoken of in Revelation chapter 20.
Where is the physical political Kingdom promised to Israel? You cannot answer that question correctly without rightly dividing the scriptures and that requires an understanding of the Biblical dispensations.
Biblical Dispensationalists believe God is focusing His attention on the church during this age of grace which began when the Jews rejected their promised kingdom before 70 A.D.. As a result of their hardening and rejecting their Kingdom, God turned to Paul and gave him a Gospel containing a promise to believers (mostly Gentiles) of citizenship in the eternal spiritual Kingdom of God in Heaven. Paul refers to this Gospel as "my Gospel" and Paul warns us not to accept any other Gospel even if it's preached by an angel (Galatians chapter 1). When Paul received his Gospel revelation, the prophetic time clock stopped for Israel. This Age of Grace is a non-prophesied Age. Some people refer to this Age of Grace as a "parenthesis" or a "time out" from God's prophetic dealings with Israel.
At a future appointed time, God will once again focus His attention on Israel and the Gospel of the coming Kingdom will be preached once again for seven years, and then the Kingdom will be established.
Summary
Biblical Dispensationalism is a method of interpreting the Bible that rises from the scriptures through employing the literal, grammatical, and historical (Biblical Method) of interpreting the Bible. Biblical dispensationalism is not an extra Biblical theology that is blindly imposed on the scriptures the way the doctrine of the Trinity is blindly imposed.
The scriptures are not properly understood and cannot be rightly divided without an understanding of the Biblical Dispensations.
Biblical Dispensationalism recognizes the Bible is divided into different dispensations, a.k.a. ages, and results in a clear distinction between Israel and the Church.
Biblical Dispensationalism results in a premillennial interpretation of Christ’s second coming and a pretribulation interpretation of the mystery revealed only to Paul known as the rapture.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)
10. Watch the UA-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
TY for all this info. Much of it I was familiar with, but I took notes on others. But it sounds like you don't believe in the Trinity. Am I mistaken?
Your taking strong men of God and clumping them in with heretics just to disprove your thoughts on dispensational issues.
You have explained something to me: why do they always call the pre-trib rapture a "secret rapture"? After all, two men working in a field, two women grinding corn: one is taken and the other remains. How could such an event remain secret for long? The only thing "secret" about it, is that no one but the Father knows when it will be, like the second coming that comes afterm. You answered this question: it is called a secet rapture in order to equivocate it with the imaginary, invisible, _secret_ rapture that had already occured, of Charles Taze Russell, upon which he based Jehovah''s Witnesses.
But pre-trib rapture has nothing to do with Russell's invention. It simply believes that the Rapture of 1 Thessalonians 4 happens before the time of great tribulation Jesus spoke of, the one that is unlike any time was before, or ever will be again.
And instead of attributing Darby's offense at the politicization of Christianity to Irish rebellion against the British, why not because of "my kingdom is not of this world", which Jesus told Pilate?
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@@GitFiddler I believe that the Bible teaches a pre-tribulation Rapture. The trumpets are one of the things that cause doubt, but hey are not the same series of trumpets. If prettib is incorrect, I have nothing to lose, because millions have looked for the Rapture in their own time, and died in faith. We ALWAYS have to be ready for accept that we may die for the testimony of the Lord. Jesus said that "in this world", we "SHALL have tribulation", but "be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world". The ones dying in faith includes the believers in Jesus who are killed in Matthew 24:9, a good 11 verses before verse 21, where Jesus described the time of "great tribulation", unlike any time ever was or ever will be, again. That corresponds to the time Jesus told us to pray that we be _"counted worthy"_ not to go through. I am comforted, when fellow believers quote, or I read 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, just as verse 18 says. We are "not appointed unto wrath": there's that. The Great Tribulation (Matthew's 24:21) includes the wrath of God, and we are not appointed unto wrath. Elements like the ruthless persecution of believers (ones who believe after the Rapture) are a continuation of the devil pouring out his wrath, since he knows his time is short..The believers being killed in Matthew 24:9, before 24:21, are experiencing the wrath of Satan. That has to include the ones dying in places like Nigeria or North Korea, now, because why would Jesus not mean them? There's little doubt that we will have to go through things like that in the western, "developed" world. So pretrib Rapture doesn't teach that we're without tribulation, only that we don't go through that extreme time, including God's wrath, in 24:21.
I believe that the early Christians believed in the 1 Thessalonians 4 Rapture as the "blessed hope", as we do. That was before the takeover by Rome, when the practice of allegorizing virtually everything that was formerly interpreted literally took over. There are allegorical stories and figures in the Bible, but there is also that which is literal. Then, when the Reformation came along, and even more importantly, the availability of translated, printed, affordable Bibles, it meant that people could read the Bible on their own, and allegorical interpretation began to wane, to be toppled by Bible believers, and many suppressed doctrines began their journey back to being noticed, then widely believed. Post-trib was replaced for many by pre-trib, and the amillenialism of the Catholic church was replaced by belief in a literal millennial reign of Jesus on earth.
For his work in recovering the doctrine of the Rapture, Darby has been lied about without conscience. Look up the article from the pretrib organization in England, available for free download at Berean Call. For instance, Darby is always said to have gotten pretrib Rapture from a girl prophetess in Scotland, but he did not believe her "prophecy" was from God when he heard her. And she did not teach pretrib Rapture in her prophecy, but a post trib one, after the Tribulation puts us through a trial that determines whether we make it to heaven or not! She said the Tribulation was "sent to try the saints". She didn't teach pretrib Rapture at all, but that didn't mean that the hatchet job filmmakers of "Good Fight ministries" didn't accuse Darby of getting what she didn't even teach, from her, as usual, which is peculiarly cynically lying for people supposedly dedicated to revealing the truth. So I continue to believe in pretrib Rapture, until I am clearly shown otherwise.
I wish Joseph Smith had never been born. When Israel became a nation in 1948, that solidified John Darby's ideas and actually proves them to me.
Blues Man 63 - Mr. Joseph Smith probably wishes he had never been born now as well, as he will be in a lost eternity. As regards Mr. J. N. Darby, I believe he was one of the greatest expounders of Holy Scripture this world has seen since the days of the apostles. The exclusive brethren have disintegrated into a cult but the truth which God revealed to that beloved brother in Christ is something which God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ should be continually praised and worshiped for.
The establishing of the state of Israel in 1948 was a man-made event. It IS NOT the fulfilling of OT prophecy. Any notion of rebuilding a Jewish temple is contrary to the truth taught in the book of Hebrews. JESUS IS THE MEDIATOR OF THE COVENANT BETWEEN GOD AND HUMANITY. THE MOSAIC COVENANT HAS BEEN REPLACED BY THE COVENANT ESTABLISHED BY CHRIST.
Galatians 6: 15-16...the "church of Christ" is the true Israel of God! The Isrsel of 1948 is only Israel of the "flesh", which is a FALSE ISRAEL!
@@aquillafleetwood8180 No. The promises of God towards Israel are without ''repentance''. Just as sure as you are reading this comment, God will 'take up' and restore Israel to their land during the millennial reign.
@@smeatonlighthouse4384
Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.
1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.
DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?
For your info the Anglican church in Ireland is always called the church Ireland. I have been in Ireland 3 times and I saw it with my own eyes
I was an unofficial member of the Plymouth Brethren in that I owned a 1987 Plymouth Voyager I finally had to scrap in 2020 after driving it for 33 years. Since the Chrysler Corporation withdrew the brand from the marketplace in 2001, my membership had been idling on borrowed time for the past 19 years. However, it was a great vehicle that served my family well and there were tears in my eyes when the tow truck picked it up and drove it away earlier this month.
I believe there are a couple of inaccuracies in this lecture.1. The version of the MacDonald prophecy I read did not refer to the type of 'rapture' Darby taught.
2. The organization started by Irving and/or his successors died out when their last church officials died, since they didn't think they could appoint successors to their 'apostles.' There are some splinter groups on the European mainland over splits that occurred when they appointed other 'apostles'. I have read of at least two denominations that survive, one in Germany, and one in Scandinavia.
+SaudaraLink Thanks for the feedback!
Thanks for posting these videos. They are very interesting.
1. Darby and Irving attended the same conference and influenced their views no matter what Macdonald said. Future conferences in Albury sponsored by Henry Drummond(Bank owner and investor for nobility) rounded out Irving's thoughts and through Henry's patronage and together with J. B. Cardale(Henry's lawyer) and half of Irving's congregation started the CAC. Drumond and Cardale were also the first Apostles called to the new order but it wasn't their intention to start a church...they merely wanted to perfect or improve Christianity.
2. Several splinters occurred first in 1863 by the Hamburg congregation that eventually went on to become the presently named New Apostolic Church(10 million members worldwide) and dozens of other splits that occurred in the 20 century with many still existing today.
@@tilbrons Can you provide a lot more information regarding the people involved in Darby etc and the Dispensation issue!
The early church fathers believed in "dispensations". Darby may have been the one to promote the teaching, but all through church history, especially the early church fathers, the church believed in "dispensations". Some believed in 4 others 5, but this is not a NEW belief "system" or a new way of studying the scriptures.
Thank you. Please provide specific citations.
I believe he's talking about the convenants God makes with Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, and lastly Christ establishing the Apostolic Church. It mirrors the human microcosms of family, tribe, race, nation, and finally all humanity.
dispensation means to give something, not a period of time.
Moses was given or dispensed Law
Christ gave us or dispensed GRACE.
It appears that three people replied to your comment, but the replies won't be displayed to let me read them. But belief in dispensationalism and the rapture before Darby is what I'm looking for. I wish you could direct me in my search.
@@ChaplainBobWalkerBTh to dispense to certain people.
Dispensationalism is just taking unfullfilled prophecy literally which leads to an outward distinction of the Jews.
Well, there is more to it than that. But what you said about "taking unfulfilled prophecy as literal" is correct, and it does lead to a distinction between the natural branches and the spiritual branches that are grafted in. The promised physical political kingdom on earth is to the natural descendants of Israel, not the Church.
These anti-dispensationalists cannot explain why there is no physical political kingdom on earth right now. The only explanation that harmonizes with the Bible is the prophetic time clock stopped for Israel in 70 A.D. and this present Age of Grace is a period of time that was not foretold in the OT or the Gospels. When the fulness of the Gentiles comes, then the rapture takes place. Then the prophetic timeclock starts again and God deals with Israel for seven years. Then Jesus returns and establishes the promised kingdom on earth.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)
10. Watch the UA-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
This was incredibly helpful for a Revelation interpretation paper I had to write for college; thanks!
Joseph Smith died in a shootout at Carthage Jail in Carthage, Illinois. After his death, his widow Emma remained in Nauvoo, Illinois, remarried, and joined the Reorganized LDS church movement.🙂
Is he Pat Sajak's Uncle? Man they look alike!
Romans 11
Romans 11
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompense unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
Charles Taze Russell's monthly newsletter was called Zion's Watch Tower.
Kattackal Tomsan Thanks for the clarification!
The person God use him as revival .sometime they didn't know everything ?
Imperial Rome's attitude toward religion was Plato's "noble lie". The emperors certainly didn't believe in the reality of Rome's gods, or any other, but they believed it is necessary to get the whole populace of ruled countries on the same page, so they could be easily ruled. People are somewhat shaped by the times they live in. When Rome, interested in power, not salvation, looked at the world they ruled, it must have seemed to them that all the people who were moving to these un-Roman, new religions were more alike than they were different. Some of them surely decided that the new religions were brothers under the skin, more alike than different, but we know that faith in Jesus has nothing to do with the mystery religions or with gnosticism, that these beliefs have no fellowship with Christ. Likewise, people like Darby and Scofield had _nothing_ to do with Miller, Ellen White, Charles Taze Russell, or Joseph Smith, etc, except in the eyes of those who stand to lose when people lose interest in the external, ritualized power structure the objectors are most comfortable with.
The Holy Spirit is in favor of orderliness (and self-control), but not just any kind of order or control. Jesus expressed hatred of Nicolaitanism, twice, in Revelation 2 & 3. A hierarchical system brings a kind of order, but that fact didn't keep Jesus (and by implication, the Holy Spirit) from being disgusted by it, and that would be for a reason, maybe for many reasons. But apparently the kind of order Nicolaitan hierarchy produced was not good; it was not anything Jesus wanted for His church.
Any kind of time of true "awakening" to Christ, is by definition, going to be in the lives of people whom the status quo churches, prior to that, failed to reveal Christ to them. All the benefit to existing churches of an awakening owes to that sad fact, but even more so to the fact that the Holy Spirit is getting the truth to them, now, something which the status quo religious bureaucracies never did. That the newly awakened believers were too interested in an experience of God, in the eyes of the church politicians, would not be considered a problem by Jesus, who promised the believing babies that God could be experientially known, the way the sheep of the good Shepherd know His comforting voice. This true light from God had nothing to do with the darkness of counterfeitors like White, Russell or Smith, other than the alikeness borne by people from the same place and time.
I love your lectures Bruce, just wish protestants would drop all the additional baggage they have added to Christianity over the past two hundred years.
Focusing on the Bible as well as history, they might not have so many divisions today.
Those who support Israel in all it's crimes will have to answer for supporting the enemies of Christ.
“Listen to the institutions”
Yeah that’s a No from me Dawg.
I wonder how the anti-Christ will come about 🙃
No such person. "The Beast" was Nero. The Man of Iniquity was Antiochus Epiphanies. Both are now in the past. "The Anti Christ" doesn't exist in the Bible.
Joseph Smith and Elena white, both masons.
Hey Bruce, this lecture is fascinating. I did not even know some of the other religious cults came out of this regarding the backgrounds of how they came into the equation itself. Never heard some of those names either. Wow.
Another nice lecture itself. Good work Bruce.
Daveyo747 Thanks!
***** Your most welcome, and I hope you continue to do more to educate us as we do need to know these things.
***** Thank you for the excellent lecture on John Darby. Take a look at the UA-cam video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology" when you get a chance.
I see a Darby bible version on my phone, isn't that something. What I find interesting is that when you address the different tribulation topics, all of a sudden Christian's loose their identity in Christ at least for a moment and here come the fear fangs and then the topic becomes all about whose the true Christian and mud slinging if not both sides ,definitely one side. It's rare to be able to talk about it with a Christian without them falling into the flesh and then therefore becoming extremely defensive.
For me it's not like conflict isn't to be expected, that's human nature after all
Now is any event of a dispute that which we call the flesh? Maybe, but I'd say that's probably not the meaning of the flesh according to epistles
What I'm getting at is sometimes the sense of concern may be to expose weaknesses in some party, or maybe for another revelation, no complete awareness is ours after all as we're waiting for everything to be revealed
And even there are many instructions throughout the bible warranting elders and brothers/sisters to express concern about practices and beliefs (I'm not saying that anybody knows/does the orthodoxy and orthopraxy that God would have us know/do)
However when concern is there I don't think the concern has a clear direction always, maybe one or more needs to feel into with prayer and deliberation
Nor do I think a person can certainly feel sure of where the problem lies anyway even after prayer and deliberation
Like indeed we're to seek and find the kingdom, but that doesn't mean the answers we seek always expose themselves here while in time/bodies blighted with sin nature
As for where the concern is coming from, it can be in the person they were initially concerned by, it can be in themselves after considerations (usually hard for most to accept this) , it can be in both parties, or a problem in the locality or a greater problem in the world, something of spiritual realms, etc.
What really caused the concern? And what teachings (if any) are there to address that concern? These are questions and considerations an individual can keep in mind to have a healthier and spiritually fruitful relationship with concern, one that should be considered before opening their mouths and being conceited in such means
Especially before thinking they have some agenda to rebuke somebody accompanied with the long list of refutations to recite as so many do
I call it philosophical conservatism, that is it's better to assume there's always flaws in every thing you experience and think therefore you won't glorify anything unworthy of glory, and whatever you do right it's only a measure compared to God's immeasurability so let God qualify one's actions not man
Man's best assumption is that he's wicked and only God can make good happen, it's sourced from Him not ourselves, I'm just a conduit worthy of no credit, and I've been relieved of any debt and so I freely serve and give to emulate my savior whom I will freely follow and cannot know hereafter any separation from Him
I remember a long time ago before understanding these precepts how I failed to have even as much integration of these in my walk
In my life my mother has become something of a new age proponent, years ago it was especially difficult to see her take such an identity/worldview on..
I was initially very concerned and thought I had every kind of advantage with our lord Jesus to make her know her folly
Well it turns out that with even as much as I indeed have fairly-well figured out, and as many fruits of the Spirit I portray, it had no clear regards in her because none of these really can make any change in her
I remembered that only Christ can reach her on His timing
I also remembered that our nature is flawed even after knowing our savior, let seasons be seasons
I've come to believe that individuals are progressively sanctified throughout one's repentance, study and practice, but as much as we're directed towards perfection I don't believe anybody's ever been so anointed (other than Jesus) that they've perfected anything let alone moral living
I believe it's the false sense that one has perfected anything in this world that leads one into the flesh and thus satanic lifestyles proliferate
It doesn't matter whether it's doctrines, practices or statuses, these thoughts that make them put themselves on high is the biggest problem
I guess I am holding to the perspective that it's Progress-Over-Perfection in all matters and of all manners while in this world
While eschatologically speaking, it's when we know the fullness of Christ's Zoē (the life of the Spirit) can be where the justification, complete sanctification and glorification can take place
I guess what I'm speaking to is the two vessels, one vessel is where inspiration comes from Satan's taproot and even believers pull crap from there and what is being stored up will be repeated before God, this is like how Paul said he still fails daily
The other vessel is when we're inSpired by the True and Holy God! And this stores up spiritual profit that multiplies Christ's blessings by many folds
We want to at the furthest mitigate the former vessel and maximize our lives towards Christ's vessel, but it's clear to me that being too certain about anything is the slippery slope that makes conflict tend towards violations
So therefore we strive! And we recognize our failures, and we never attribute more to our successes than who we know can do all things infinite
I hope these words make up for something useful, I'm only trying to help others recognize the pitfalls before falling in where I and many others have collapsed into far too many times
For anybody can be too certain of their interpretations and the teachings that twist the intended meaning of scriptures, for we've all mistakenly held to such things
- Your Quality Apologist
(Ephesians 2:8-10)🤓
Strawman argument. Tying Darby to Irving and Finney is dishonest. Darby was 10 times the scholar and man of God as this peewee. Very dishonest.
I was miraculously saved in 1980 having been until that time a vocal agnostic bordering on atheism. When i was first introduced to dispensationalism in 2002 I felt like someone had just turned on the light and 22 years of confusion began to clear up. Among countless other things i could see how James, (Jas 2:24) can blatantly contradict Paul's Gospel without being accursed. Gal 1:8-9. I also now know why I can ignore the misguided people who tell me that I should be observing the sabbath or speaking in tongues!
If, as you say, 2 Tim 2:15 (KJV) does NOT mean "take a dispensational approach to the Bible", can you please tell me what it DOES mean?
The word 'ortho-tomeo' means to cut straight, and from that to proceed by straight paths, hence to teach the truth correctly and directly (Thayer's Greek Lexicon, and any other commonly accepted lexical source ). The word has nothing to do with dividing one thing from another, in the sense that dispensationalism takes it. Thanks for the question.
@GoreBruce Thank-you for your reply.
As well as being a dispensationalist I am also one of those who believe that the KJV is God's PERFECT word to us in English and see no benefit in referring to the original languages. That only confuses the issue.
We all know what the English word "divide" means, and that is the word that the Holy Spirit chose to use in this instance.
I see no reason to seek a meaning other than the plain English meaning of 'rightly dividing" and I found the Bible impossible to understand without taking a dispensational approach. I'm sure there would be many others who have had the same experience.
Ty x Every blessing in Christ x
119 Ministries has an excellent study on this subject as well.
The Greek word from this term “rapture” is derived appears in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, translated “caught up.” The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or take away. Elsewhere it is used to describe how the Spirit caught up Philip near Gaza and brought him to Caesarea (Acts 8:39) and to describe Paul’s experience of being caught up into the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2-4). Thus there can be no doubt that the word is used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 to indicate the actual removal of people from earth to heaven.
Definition: Harpazo
v.
1. to seize, carry off by force
2. to seize on, claim for one’s self eagerly
3. to snatch out or away
~ from Thayer’s (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
In the Greek New Testament, the word harpazo is found a total of 17 times in 13 different verses. Each time harpazo is used this verb refers to a quick or sudden often violently physical “snatching away” or “catching away” of a person, a thing, or an idea. More important is the fact that in 5 of these 17 times harpazo is used in the New Testament harpazo ALWAYS refers to the literal physical (bodily) removal of a faithfully righteous human being from one place to another, or from one sphere of existence to another. The 5 times harpazo is used involving faithfully righteous people are when:
1. Philip is harpazo’d from the presence of the Ethiopian eunuch to a different location miles away (see Acts 8:39, KJV)
2. Paul is harpazo’d from the Earth to the Third Heaven (see 2 Corinthians 12:2, KJV)
3. Paul is harpazo’d from the Earth to the Third Heaven; second reference (see 2 Corinthians 12:4, KJV)
4. Bride of Christ is harpazo’d from the Earth to the clouds to meet Her Groom (Christ Jesus) in the air (see 1 Thessalonians 4:17, KJV); the understanding here is that the Bride will be taken to Heaven to be with Her Groom
5. Christ Jesus is harpazo’d from Bethany near the Mount of Olives to His Throne in Heaven (see Revelation 12:5; cf. Luke 24:50-51; Acts 1:9; KJV)
Each one of the above five supernaturally powerful acts of the Holy Spirit by which literal bodily removals of humans either from one place to another on Earth or from off of this Earth to Heaven proves that the Rapture is a biblically sound doctrine. In fact, the English words Rapture and Raptured actually are derived from the Latin verb rapio (catch up or take away), and rapio is used in the Latin Vulgate Bible (also referred to as The Vulgate).
The point here is that many of America’s English words, like Rapture and Raptured, and etc., are derived from words found in the Latin Vulgate Bible-the most commonly used translation of the Holy Bible. St Jerome’s late 4th-century A.D. revised Latin translation of the old Latin Biblical Texts became The Vulgate, and The Vulgate was used over 1,000 years before the Protestant Reformation started! In essence, no other Holy Bible translation has been used longer than the Latin Vulgate Bible, and that includes the highly promoted Authorized King James Version (KJV)!
The Harpazo / Rapture is very Real and very True its just that the Pre Trib Rapture is a Fat Lie that goes against all that Jesus and Paul Taught the Church!
No Man of God in Scripture Taught that Fat Pre Trib LIE!
@@RaptureofSaints Ok so you're saying a Blood bought Church is going to go through God's Wrath when he became flesh to shed his blood for those that would be bought by his blood so that they would not experience Eternal Wrath in hell . Makes a lot a sense ... So the "yo-yo" rapture must be the real deal when Christ comes at the end of the Tribulation to catch us up in the clouds just to land back on the ground soon after . Yeah ok.... It's called Jacobs trouble for a reason . Jacobs secondary name is Israel , you can translate it to 'Israels trouble. God's plan for The Church is different from the Jews and gentiles . God is a divider not a uniter . Read you're Bible and divide the word correctly comparing scripture with scripture and you will get correct doctrine . The Bible is it's best interpreter and does not need help from anyone to interpret . I'm sorry you are hopeless when it comes to this subject I pray that God would show you that this post trib doctrine is indeed false . Not your fault entirely but whoever are your mentors, and spiritual leaders need to reconsider how they study the Bible . God bless, shalom .
@@giannidesir3643 Have you ever Studied the Greek Word that Paul used in 1 Thessalonians 5:9?
If you have you would KNOW that Paul did NOT say the Greek Word THUMOS NOR Thlipsis but he actually chose to use the Greek Word "ORGE" a Specific Greek Word that Jesus also chose to use in extremely Specific places in Revelation! Jesus DECLARED in Revelation that the "ORGE" does NOT ever begin UNTIL sometime (AFTER) the Events are Seen in the Sun and moon and Stars which we all KNOW are only ever seen After the Tribulation has ended!
Jesus made it Clear that the Day of "ORGE" does NOT begin UNTIL all of the Armies are Gathered at Armageddon!
Jesus made it 100% Clear that He is PRESENT so as to Trample the Wine Press of His "ORGE"
The TRUTH is that No believer of any Kind is appointed to "ORGE" because we will all Partake in the FIRST RESURRECTION and we will be Raptured to Meet Him on that day when Satan is Bound and Jesus destroys that Man of Sin and Begins to Trample the Wine Press of His "ORGE" against ALL that are Gathered against Jesus!
None of them will be able to stand on that day BUT we will be WITH Jesus in IMMORTAL Bodies!
Thats the TRUTH about the "ORGE"
The Pre Tribbers are the Ones saying that Tribulation saints ARE appointed to Wrath, thats a LIE!
No BELIEVER is appointed to "ORGE" as we will all Partake in the FIRST RESURRECTION before the "ORGE" begins!
The 7 Bowls of THUMOS are NOT the "ORGE"!
It is YOU that is WRONG not Jesus and Paul!
GO and STUDY Scripture before you Promote a Pre Trib LIE!
@@giannidesir3643 GO and DO a Study for Two Weeks on the Greek Word "ORGE" and then when you know what you are talking about then we can Discuss the Pre Trib LIE that goes against ALL that Jesus and Gabriel and Paul Prophesied!
@@RaptureofSaints those three Greek words are all nouns and other than being masculine and feminine they mean the same thing. You know what The Kingdom Gospel is?
“The kingdom of God is within you” Luke 17:21. So, how many times will we listen to con artists and purveyors of fear before we begin to look for love within?
This one is from KJV+
Luk 17:21 NeitherG3761 shall they say,G2046 LoG2400 here!G5602 or,G2228 loG2400 there!G1563 for,G1063 behold,G2400 theG3588 kingdomG932 of GodG2316 isG2076 withinG1787 you.G5216
G1787
ἐντός
entos
en-tos'
From G1722; inside (adverb or noun): - within.
This is from the ISV
Luk 17:21 People won't be saying, 'Look! Here it is!' or 'There it is!' because now the kingdom of God is among you."
Curtis Hazen is right in his understanding of this verse. Since the Holy Spirit could only abide within one person at a time until the feast of first fruits.
(2Ki 2:9) And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.
(2Ki 2:10) And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so.
Francis Bacon once said, “Read not to believe and take for granted, nor to contradict and confute, but to weigh and consider.”
"For what human affairs can seem important to a man who keeps all eternity before his eyes and knows the vastness of the universe?" - World Map, 1595
@@darmok-hm6jx you are just a liar.. the Koine word "ἐντός" very specifically means within as in "καρδία μου τετάρακται ἐντός μου" in Psalm 108:22 whichg means my heart is wounded WITHIN me or "my belly within me" in Isaiah 16:11 or "my heart within me" in Psalm 38:4. or "you blind pharisees first clean the INSIDE of the cup..." Matt 23:26
@@inTruthbyGrace Are you calling me a liar, while agreeing with Strong's [inside (adverb or noun): - within.]? I think you may have misread what I wrote.
When an honest person discovers he is mistaken, he either ceases to be mistaken or cease being honest. -anom
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Sometimes academically very smart people often aren’t well blessed with common sense and are prone to severe tunnel vision. - Michael Schlueter
He was speaking to the wicked pharisees. Was the kingdom of God within them?
You are aware that Wendell was a minister of the Advent Christian Church? He was not part of the Sabbatarian movement that would become the Seventh-day Adventist Church, organized by May of 1863. FYI, Russell was 17 or 18 when he met Wendell. He had a clothing store at the age of 15 that was run with his father.
+Karl Wagner Thanks very much for the clarification!
The Apostle Paul warns us if any Angel preaches any other Doctrine to you then what I have preached let him be accursed. Joseph Smith got his Doctrine from an angel that turned against God that directly contradicts the gospel given to Paul. This has nothing to do with dispensations yes there are dispensations in your Bible we live in the dispensation of the grace of God today we don't live in the dispensation of the law that was done away in Jesus Christ.
Dispensationalism is a false doctrine .
Galatians 2:21, KJV: "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
The very statement that before Christ people were saved by the law makes the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ a terrible mistake , why did he had to die if people could be saved by the law ?? Also the Bible clearly says that Jesus is the lamb SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD , I dont know how exactly how old the world is but I know for sure that is not 2000'ish years old.
Romans 4:6
“Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,”
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
@@johnssmith4005 I do not frustrate the grace of God you have no idea what you're talkin about. You're taking that verse out of its context. Dispensational theology was not invented by Schofield or Darby. There's a book called dispensationalism before Darby. In that book it goes point-by-point explaining that dispensational theology was used way before Scofield in Darby. Schofield in Darby new about dispensational study and used it in their work. And then you have shysters like this guy who are going to go out there and lie through their teeth and tell people false information. Dispensational theology is biblical. You don't understand what you're talkin about salvation was by the law. For Israel. But no-one could fulfill the law the only one that could was Jesus Christ verily salvation would have been by the law but no man could fulfill the law that's why Christ came to die on the cross because no man could fulfill it. Because of Salvation came by the law then there would have been no reason for Christ to die for the sins of the world. Man could not fulfill the law. The context of this you completely ignore. Israel had to believe on the name of Jesus according to their Covenant that they made with God. And according to the grounds of that Covenant they had to keep the faith or else they could lose their salvation. But the body of Christ is sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. It is made right through the faith of Jesus Christ through his righteousness and not our own. You don't understand what you're talkin about. Please look up the book I mentioned and do your research before making such Brash claims
@@inthedark334 Im not even going to waste my time with Dispensationalist CULT MEMBERS
@@johnssmith4005 I'm going to read the verse and its context so you can't take it out of its context. We're not going to start in Romans 5 or in a starting Romans 3. For what saith the scripture Abraham believed God and it was accounted unto him for righteousness now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of Grace but of debt but to him that worketh not but believe it on him that justifies the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousness. Even asked David also described it the blessing of the man unto whom God imputed righteousness without works saying blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven and whose sins are covered. The context of this listen to me okay in the Old Testament when a Jew would not do a God wanted because they're in a covenant relationship with God all of his righteousness would be thrown away. He did not have eternal security in the Old Testament. What you're doing is you're picking and choosing these versus outside of the context there in in order to try to prove an argument that is not true.
Timeless relevancy...
Thank you very much sir.
A very insightful lecture
Cyprian also taught pre-trib rapture
Cyprian (200 AD - 258 AD) - Cyprian was Bishop of the church in Carthage. During his short stint as leader of the church, he guided the flock through intense persecution at the hands of the Roman Empire. In 258 AD after spending seven months of confinement to his home by order of Roman authorities, he was beheaded for his faith. Several of his works still exist today.
In Treatises of Cyprian he wrote in describing the end times Great Tribulation:
“We who see that terrible things have begun, and know that still more terrible things are imminent, may regard it as the greatest advantage to depart from it as quickly as possible. Do you not give God thanks, do you not congratulate yourself, that by an early departure you are taken away, and delivered from the shipwrecks and disasters that are imminent? Let us greet the day which assigns each of us to his own home, which snatches us hence, and sets us free from the snares of the world and restores us to paradise and the kingdom.”
Again we see use of language commonly found in reference to the Rapture as Cyprian describes the judgments of the end times as “imminent.” And he makes his belief on the timing of the Rapture when he wrote that Christians will have an “early departure” and be “delivered” from the devastating global judgments that come during the Day of The Lord.
In line with the Apostle Paul who wrote that “God has not appointed us to wrath, but salvation..” Cyprian expressed joy and encourages the believing reader to rejoice that the Church will be “taken away” before the disastrous Great Tribulation. Just as The Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 24 used the same language of one “taken away” and the other “left.” Additionally Cyprian references the mansions which The Lord Jesus Christ promises to come back and take His believers to in John 14.
“Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.” - John 14:1-3.
As Beginning and End detailed in our article “The Red Moon Rapture - The Biblical Timing of The Rapture”, in both the Matthew 24 passages (“one taken, the other left”) and in John 14 (“..receive you unto myself..”) the Greek work paralambanō is used for taken and receive. The meaning of that word is “join to one’s self” indicating that Jesus is coming to fully unify with His church - which takes place at the Rapture. Clearly Cyprian believed and taught that the Rapture takes place before the Great Tribulation.
The rapture and the Second Coming are the same event.
@@samuelwilliams1559 Of course they aren't. The rapture is for the church and the 'heavenly' saints are caught up to meet the Lord in the air. The second coming is to the earth and is for the remnant of Israel who have believed in Jesus as their coming deliverer. The rapture is for the 'saints only' to see and know. The second coming will be seen by everyone. At the rapture those taken are saved and those left behind are for judgement. At the second coming those taken are lost and those who remain are the 'saved'. At the rapture the Lord comes himself for the dead in Christ and the living saints who are changed into bodies of glory like unto the Lord's body of glory. At the second coming those same, now glorified saints, come with Christ as His armies. At the rapture it is the Lord alone, at the second coming the angels are involved.
Basically, there is no comparison between the two events, they are totally different and separate.
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 Incorrect. There are only two groups in the world. The Saved and the lost. The truth in Matthew 24 every eye shall see him.
Jesus comes himself to get the church. You post what you believe. But no Bible verse backs you up.
1Th 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Mat 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Jesus is our LORD.. He appears and everyone sees him. Read the whole chapter.
Read about the wheat and the tares. Dispensationalism is new. The Secret pre tribulation rapture is news. I cannot find it in my Bible.
Smeaton Lighthouse ...lol
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 Christ has one body, and one bride and it is Israel. The Gentile and Jewish in Him, who are of the Faith, are Jews by Faith, sons of Abraham by faith and Israel by faith.
Not all of Israel is of Israel.
the begiing of wisdom is fear of the lord
3 of the greatest heresies being taught in Evangelical Churches today:
Dispensationalism, Zionism, and Futurism.
Sean Moore The Trinity is the greatest and most powerful heresy ever imposed upon the truth.
The Bible clearly states that 1) the Father is God, 2) Jesus is God, and 3) the Holy Spirit is God. The word "Trinity" is just an explanation of what we find in scripture. I would recommend praying and considering the following:
1) John 20:28 - Thomas calls Jesus "God" and isn't rebuked, John 1:1 - states that the Word (Jesus) IS God, and Isaiah 43:10 - there is only one God. There are countless other scriptures, but there's no other way it can make sense.
2) 1 Corinthians 2:10-12 - If the Son of God is equally eternal with the Father, as John 1:1-3 makes clear that he is, then so is the Holy Spirit equally eternal with them both, because, according to Romans 8:9-11, the Spirit of Christ is one and the same with the Spirit of God.
3) Matthew 28:19 - notice the singular use of the word "name" instead of using "names".
Why should anyone believe what the Bible says?
I believe it because it is the living word of our Creator. What causes you not to believe it?
Replacement Theology - that the Church is the "New Israel" is the biggest error
This is Great information
Are Bruce's eyes closed all the time?
I just wanted to find a little perspective on Jonathan Edwards’ view of revelation.... hours later I’m still watching your videos. This is so interesting! I grew up in a Christian home, went to a bible college and don’t think I have ever heard the church history layed out in this perspective. Thank you for posting this ❤️😁
yes I am a dispensationalist, the great heresy is replacement theology
You're right as you are calling what the Bible shows, something it doesn't _CALL_ it.
There is no salvation outside of Christ. (John 14:6)
Christ is the same, today, yesterday and tomorrow. (heb)
Therefore, there is _ONE_ covenant, and as Paul explains in Romans, Galatians, Ephesians and Colossians, the Gentiles who were, OUTSIDE of God's promise, are now part of Israel, (Romans 9:6) and only those of _FAITH_ (Gal 3:6) are sons of Abraham. The natural Jew, who has not been born again, are sons of Esau and without a covenant promise to God.
That's not my words, it's what Paul clearly says.
@@Hebrew42Day the purpose of the tribulation is the salvation of the Jewish Nation, God is going to take the Church out and go back to dealing with Israel, one third will be saved
@@nebraskasandhills4635 Well said. You will find that there is none so blind as those who do not want to see. The gentleman you were talking to is such a person.
Replacement theology is a heresy and consists of believing the antichrists are God's chosen people. well chosen for what exactly.
1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
ALL Jews, that is why they are jews, deny that Jesus is the Christ and that makes them antichrist
A remnant of some shall come to the Lord at one point.
Rev 11:13 - And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell,
and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Jesus in Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Galations 3:29 - And if ye be Christ's, then ARE YE Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Those in Christ ARE the seed [children] of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Israel.
Gentile does not mean non-jew either it just means nation
God forbid you believe "white Christians" are the chosen people = racist or white supremacist
Believing the antichrists who claim to be jews are the chosen people is replacement theology and is a lie from hell
What sources do we have to verify this story about how the rapture doctrine came to be (the account of the lay girls trance and Edward Irving latching on the the idea of a pre trib rapture)? I've heard this account is up for debate.
The allegation has certainly been debated hotly, especially by apologists for dispensationalism. A good place to start in looking for the sources in support of the claim can be found at the following site.
web.archive.org/web/20110927074110/www.thewordsofeternallife.com/scholars.html
@@GoreBruce thank you so much for your response! I will definitely check it out.
@@GoreBruce I notice some parallels between Trumpism, as it's presenting itself among evangelical Americans and this sort of attachment to this dispensational theology. It's very interesting.
Wow, thank you for the research.
You're welcome. Thanks for your interest!
Darby would have many seances to invoke spirits in the castle he lived in
Do you have a source for that?
@@GoreBruce I stand corrected, it was his family that was deep in the occult, and did seances.
Final Day, by Richard D Wiles
Pages 52-54, but Darby had close relationships to freemasonry and his closest friends and disciple was a spy for the Crown, Robert Anderson, a high ranking freemason.freemasonry.
@@GoreBruce and Scofield was a con artist out of prison for forgery, he would pretend he was a wealthy cotton plantation owner.
He saw flashing dollar signs in Darby's theology and inserted them as notes in a bible, thus tricking evangelicals into believing it was the inspired word of God.
Now seminary students everywhere quote the heresies of a con artist.
While researching biblical support for the pre-tribulation rapture, it dawned on me that the root nature of the doctrine is concerned only with self-preservation. It demonstrates a complete lack of interest or care in the fate of those "Left Behind". Therefore on that basis alone, it could not be of God, as His great plan would never involve or promote selfishness.
Quite an insight! Thanks.
The Rapture of the Church starts the period of Jacob's Trouble and end's the church age or the Age of Grace. Nothing else makes any sense, so take your opinion and stick it where the sun don't shine.
I believe in the pre-tribulation rapture and I'm quite concerned with those who will be left behind. Because some people abuse a truth or use it selfishly doesn't make it any less true. It appears that you're judging a doctrine with an ad hominem approach, which isn't a good approach. There are valid arguments to be raised concerning the pre-trib rapture, but yours doesn't strike me as one of them.
Exactly - It's totally a contrast from what the Gospel, and Apostles epistles warn us of.
Where from scripture can you back up that there are two second comings? Revelations states the Saints will meet Him in the sky. You believe that will happen twice? Or that Christ will return _before_ the tribulations? before the man of sin is revealed?
I think there is some more, much earlier that was going on to influence false pre-millenial teaching. Let us not forget this important bit written in 1530 that deals specifically with that and Christ's return. Here is a bit from the conservative reformation that Luther started. This was written for Rome to consider to show that these churches that Luther had influenced and others were not teaching falsely, but submitted basically, "here is what we believe, here is what we reject. What say you?" Here, from the Augsburg Confession submitted to Rome rejecting false doctrines. Note especially number 3 and consider the current state of affairs in the modern Evangelicalism and its undying support to those wanting to rebuild a third temple in Israel. It's all tied together. Here is your red pill :
Article XVII: Of Christ's Return to Judgment.
1] Also they (our churches) teach that at the Consummation of the World Christ will appear for judgment, and 2] will raise up all the dead; He will give to the godly and elect eternal life and everlasting joys, 3] but ungodly men and the devils He will condemn to be tormented without end.
2] They (our churches) condemn the Anabaptists, who think that there will be an end to the punishments of condemned men and devils.
3] They (our churches) condemn also others who are now spreading certain Jewish opinions, that before the resurrection of the dead the godly shall take possession of the kingdom of the world, the ungodly being everywhere suppressed. (remember this was 1530 kids!)
I would be curious where you got the info that Joseph Smith declared himself been a king. That is something I have never heard before despite many contacts I have since years with Mormons
The best biographical treatment of Joseph Smith remains "No Man Knows My History" (Fawn M. Brodie).
www.amazon.com/No-Man-Knows-My-History/dp/0679730540/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473472294&sr=8-1&keywords=no+man+knows+my+history
Great book, I am an ex Mormn read it several times!
This is untrue. This concept of the Rapture came from scripture and not from this young girl in a vision.
The error of this video is founded on false concepts. I cannot help but think that this is a deliberate attempt to blacken the teachings of scripture.
The blackening of the scripture was by John Nelson Darby.
Darby started his dispensation theory while reading and studying the Bible when home from his accident in 1827. The McDonald story took place over three years later and historical evidence verifies her vision was anything but historicist post anti -Christ rapture that had been around. There is also no evidence from Darby or his associates being able influenced by this. One of his associates that later opposed Darby still asserted that Darby established his dispensation theory in 1827.
2nd Grade Awakening 😅😅
Believe me, I'd be very happy to see a 2nd Grade Awakening!
The speaker is skipping some history about how Darby came about the Pre-trib Rapture view. Darby was attending Edward Irving's church prior to 1830 where Edward Irving was preaching a pre-trib rapture theory. So most likely that is where Darby got the idea, and there was a magazine printed in 1830 authored by Darby with that pre-trib rapture idea in it. Prior to the Irving church influence, Darby held to a post-tribulational view. (see Dave McPherson's documented research)
Scofield abandoned his wife and he remarried within a year of his wife divorcing him. If, as an aspect of his conversion and necessary repentance, he attempted to reconcile and love his wife as he was commanded to do, I might have some more respect for him in spite of his dispensationalism.
I love these techings
This is why I reject what man learned professors of religion and other one sided ministers said on church history and biblical teachings because they lack full information on religious history and church history and the bible itself. They are their preconceived ideas and dispensationalism is sound doctrine because it deals with the time period of God's dealing with man and to say dispensationalism is false doctrine basically is said that God doesn't deal with men and saying God is a liar. People even in the church are attacking the bible like never before. Jesus warned his disciples to beware of False prophets and teachers. Everybody had a time in movements that in their ministry that they were not perfect in the study of the bible but the Holy Spirit uses them anyway. These man are self deceived and misleading many. Exercise discernment and pray and study the bible we have false teachers among us. Beware.
Acts 2:38 covenant start there get buried in baptism with (him) Romans 6:4. For all who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ Galatians 3:27.Also see Acts 2:38,8:16,20:48,19:5,22:16 all water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus without Exception not one triune baptism ever occurs in the Jewish oracles of God
But I heard presbetarians follow child baptism. If so how will you justify in the light of New Testament teachings.
I myself am pre-millenial (i.e. I believe Jesus Christ comes back right BEFORE the 1000 year reign (I'm assuming post-millenial assumes that He comes AFTER the 1000 year Golden age or whatever on earth.) And I'm guessing amillenial assumes that there is no millenium at all or that it's only symbolic. I'm also post-tribulational (I believe that there is a sort of Rapture, but it's only people being called up to meet Christ as He comes back to Earth). My view is that He doesn't take the children under the age of accountability nor does He slay them with the wicked, thus allowing the millenium to be populated. The rest of the Bible other than the verses in 1 Thessalonians seemed to back a post-tribulation Rapture/coming of Christ, which contradicted the teaching of two resurrectoins and comings of Christ I'd been taught all of my life and I was forced to abandon them for post-tribulationism (which wasn't pleasant and still is hard, especially knowing that it's possible, with the false Israel and the rise of Noahide, that the actual near 7 year Tribulation (I say near 7 years as I'm getting 1280 days of the witnesses and 1280 days of the church protected from the Beast, so that's about 6 years and 11 months. Also not sure if the 3 or so days of the witnesses lying dead factors into the second set of 1280 days or is in addition to that. But I do know that the theology of the so-called seven year treaty with Israel in Daniel is not only false but blasphemous, as the "he" that confirms the covenant is actually the Lord Jesus Christ and that Daniels' 70 week propehcy went from the end of the exile to the stoning of Stephen and the dispersion of the church from Jerusalem. At week 69.5, halfway through the last 7 years of the 490 years (the first set of 3.5 years in the last 7 years corresponds to the 3.5 year public ministry of Jesus and He was killed, but not for His own sins but for us, as the verse says, and with His death, of course the sacfices would stop, as they would no longer be needed. The sacrices were a temporary measure to attone for sin, looking forward to Him, when He paid it all. And of course the city and the Temple fell, just like Daniel said and He himself affirmed it.)