Jim Ross shoots on why Evolution broke up
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Because it did its job ....it got over both Orton and Batista
Omg 😱 facts
It even gave ric flair some confidence, I’d say it was a success regardless how you cut it
@@SantosBASED it was an obvious play on the 4 Horsemen but it had a goal moreso than The Foue Horsemen . The horsemans goal was to get their opponents over by Evolutions was to get the two junior partners over while traini g them with two of the best . I had lost interest in wrestling back then and I saw Evolution as one of the things they were doing right .
it was alll about hhh and that ego ughhh boring raw 2002-2005 batista was more over tho
@@vampirascoffin870 He used his position as top heel to develop two of the most promising young talents . If you recall it was Orton who made out big time at the expense of HHH .I am not a HHH fan but he did not need Evolution for himself .
I wonder if wrestling will ever be good again... it’s almost unwatchable. It’s more enjoyable to listen about the past than to watch the present.
I've given up.
Mark and Spencer both agreed with you
@@ash80510 same I listen to podcasts to stay relevant. I can't invest 10 hours of my time to watch wrestling especially from the UK
Sometimes things have to come to an end. In wrestling it died when the ego of the business exceeded its’s talent. Pushing wrestlers who were 1 and done, instead of grooming coming up stars because of backstage babies hurt a lot. Mr. Kennedy, Kane, MVP, are just a few who got small pushes then fizzled because they never saw real light. Also, story lines are sooo boring, guys like John cent who are predictable and lazy in his presentation drove hardcore fans away. The whole I am getting beat up, oh no I am hogan know happened so often, you knew when he was going to win. Example Kane if he does his fire act before the match he lost most of the time, if he didn’t he won most of the time
Its unwatchable without a crowd.
Honestly evolution gave Orton and Batista time to be major players. Triple H did an amazing job
But the rEigN oF tErRoR
Wait....is this comment irony or sarcasm? If so, I love ironic humour like this hahaha. Kudos
Hunter buried careers
Yea people hate on triple h to much he was a five time world
Champ before he married Stephanie he would’ve been successful either way
@@Chloethepomsky Triple Goof was a nobody mid carder. He was terra ryzin in Dubya See Dubya lmao. He never drew a dime. Without Chyna, Shawn Michaels, and the Mac Mahon family, Triple Nose would’ve been riding the TNA mid card by 2004 & gone from rasslin shortly after. The guy never drew a penny, ever
I guess I am in the minority here. I liked Evolution. They did what you expected a faction to do in the story: band together and get championships for the members. I remember them controlling the world, intercontinental, and tag team titles at the same time.
Nah everyone respects them and say they are one of the greatest factions of all time if not the greatest!
Not The Hurt Business is doing the same.
@@cerebralassassin2185 haha I love ironic/sarcastic jokes like this 😂
You’re in the vast minority. No even knows what evolution is, ppl stopped watching WWF in 2003. Evolution was an embarrassment.
@@joemayo4078 whoa how?
JR is a fucking treasure. One of the most down to earth humans ever!
Jim Ross is a legend.
Honest humble and awesome
Ross is a dirt bag, you mark
Idk about down to Earth but he sure has some great stories and insight!
does jim ross still call beniot his proudest hirings.
It was great! When Batista put Triple H through that table and challenged HHH for the world title, it was awesome! I remember cheering and praising him as lil kid for doing that to HHH🔥🔥👑
A wrestling moment i will never forget lol, watched it live on the couch with my dad.
That was a legit massive powebomb the mic flew out the table 😂
Truly an iconic moment.
@@andyblake9673 I Watched it live in my bedroom back in 2005. I was a lil boy watching WWE! Everyone was so happy with Batista ending HHHs reign of terror
I always was a triple h guy , i remember watching it whit my cousins and they all loved batista
“We weren’t giving the fans what they wanted to see and that’s why we weren’t selling” - JR on his #1 reason revenue went down. Bless this man!
They did the right stuff in the right order with Orton & Batista, they just did it too fast with Orton.
Facts to soon
Yep, I remember he beats Benoit out of nowhere and he becomes superman vs the whole Evolution ffs. Fans liked sneaky heel Orton, when he became a lame-ass bland boyscott super-Cena type fans got turned off and they moved on to Batista.
I think they did it wrong with Orton. He’s not a babyface. I think they should’ve kept Orton heel and have him branch out with his own faction. Continue his legend killer gimmick, maybe going against HHH/Benoit for the heavyweight
@@artgroupie He's not a leader though.
Too fast? Orton had big wins under his belt, was ic champ for almost a year. It was time to leave Evolution.
That burger looks good
Looks like a steak burger to me🍔🍔🍔
Burger 🍔 King
Rumor has it that burger was part of Good Ol' JR behind that was ground up and made into a hamburger patty.
Wrestlers under 6 feet who got over and we're amazing. Daniel Bryan, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero & Rey Mysterio
Jim Londos was likely the biggest draw ever in wrestling and probably 5’10” on a good day.
Don’t forget about Y2J
Tajiri was also over
@@FritaLay 🤣🤣🤣
Dude how could you forget Jericho?
I started watching wrestling around that time Smackdown’s feud between Cena and JBL, and Raw’s Evolution split. What a TIME.
Lmfao you’re in the massive minority. No one watched rasslin after 2003
It's not a coincidence Cena and Batista got crazy over while Benoit and Eddie didn't: most of the international TV deals were down from 2003 to 2005. That's why you stopped watching around Rocky's heyday and got plugged in again around WMXXI.
Wrestling literal end was 2002 for me end of attitude was the end of wresy
@@joemayo4078 people were watching after 2003 ,so plz stop giving ur stupid comments
Benoit was champion. Triple H and Shawn Michaels were still main eventing. See Bad Blood 2004.
That was the better story.
There are times when I feel Vince's ego is so out of control that he tries to force the fans to pay for what HE wants to put on, not what they like. It really took WCW level pressure to change his mind, and as soon as it was over he fell back on bad habits.
100%!!! If it wasn't for WCW Nitro and the NWO angle, Vince wouldn't have changed his programming. It took him losing money to change his mind. With WCW gone in 2001, he did go back to booking what he felt like booking since he no longer had competition. I guess he felt fans would pay to see WWE no matter what since WCW and ECW were gone. He was wrong. Fans turned to UFC and later, TNA, ROH, shoot interviews and UA-cam to get their wrestling fix.
Cant satisfy these couch quarterbacks
Lol JR low key always calling Conrad fat
Lol
haha yeah man hopefully it inspires him to drop 100 lbs
Conrad knows hes fat so isnt offended and JR included himself In the having a wide fat ass joke
He is fat
I’ve never heard someone sound as fat as Conrad.
A 15yo me watched Summerslam 2004 live in the UK. I remember benoit getting booed in his home turf. One my best storylines. Back when a brand split had designated referees and wouldn't promote each shows ppvs. Memories
Austin & Rock leaving so close to one another really hurt. Raw at the time sucked with HHH at the top with the Reign of Terror but blaming the boss & his son in-law while working for WWE is a horrible career move.
@HidanVenom i agree about 2009 when it started becoming unwatchable. That's when too many rematches started happening, the gimmick pay per views, and by 2011 the heavyweight title started feeling like just a better version of the intercontinental title.
@Ze TheGame I think u might be forgetting about the burials of: RVD, Kane, Booker T, Goldberg, and Steiner all by HHH/Evolutiom
@@christopherballero866 rvd could have been a great main event face, but got absolutely buried.
@@christopherballero866 RVD is considered a legend and won titles still so he wasnt buried, Kane was always a legend and wasnt buried, goldberg beat triple h 3x so he wasnt buried, Booker should've won at wrestlemania but he wasnt buried per say cause he won a world totle still. Steiner had trouble wrestling in general at the time so he wasnt given much plus his backstage attitude was bad. Just because you want someone to win doesn't mean it's always a burial.
It was mainly because raw didnt have any eatablished big names at the time. Triple H and HBK were really the only selling names they had overall. Most of the established names were on smackdown
Batista wouldn't have ever been a main event talent if it wasn't for his time in Evolution. Triple H made Batista.
Triple H from 2004 on has made many guys. I never got that whole Reign of Terror thing. Sure, he buried Booker T at WrestleMania but most of those other guys he worked with weren't ready and if Vince doesn't wanna push you, you ain't getting pushed. Triple H really got Orton and especially Batista over. The build-up to WM21 to this day is perfect storytelling right down to Hunter adopting a more beefy kind of look to resemble an older, prideful lion resting on his laurels about to be taken by the hungry young lion, which would be Batista. It worked so well, they even tried to use him to get Cena over in 2006 and Roman Reigns over in 2016.
@@VickStarkiller cap. So he didn’t bury booker t, rvd, Goldberg, Steiner all in one year. The man still kept the belt while injured. The only good storyline he did where he put someone over was with Batista.
@@AD-ur1fk Triple H literally didn’t do the job for those three that you mentioned yet he put over many other stars, Batista, Orton, Cena, Benoit, Jeff Hardy, Shelton Benjamin, Undertaker three times atWM, Sheamus, The Shield, Daniel Bryan, most losses at WM, Brock Lesnar,
@@AD-ur1fk Only real burial was Booker T. Goldberg sucked and Scott...well he should have had at least one time with the title. Rvd got his shot and blew it. Like the comment above mine said all those guys where younger and newish talent going into the new era.
@@AD-ur1fk He's lost to all the people you mentioned. Just not on the particular show YOU wanted him to.
Business was down in 2004 a year later cena and Batista would be elevated edge would become mr mitb orton would turn heel again and feud with taker and raw would move back to USA big difference a year makes
2005 up to about 2009 was definitely a secondary boom of the quality of WWE. Not as edgy as the attitude era but still good shit.
@@2584024 smack down from 02-04 was classic
@Greekpimpster08 Austin’s heel turn caused a big down turn in ratings I remember hell i turned it off too for years
@@2584024 yeah 2010 was the beginning of the end for greatness in WWE. The business and its creativity and spirit died in the 2010’s decade...
@Greekpimpster08 Ratings were falling in the fall of 2000. That narrative is proven to be false.
I feel like taking the title off both Eddie and Benoit in 2004 was such a kneejerk reaction, they basically became scapegoats for systemic issues in the company itself.
I mean, the company had effectively lost most of it's main eventers in a reletively short period of time. Rock and Austin were out, Brock bailed, someone they had just dumped like 2 years into smashing over as "The Next Big Thing" quite literally. Even the WCW main eventers like Goldberg were gone. So all the fairweather fans were gone with them.
And you mean to tell me 2 guys who had been previously treated like midcarders and they put absolutely zero effort into establishing as main event guys couldn't somehow draw like The Rock or Austin after what? 4 fucking months as champion? With basically no build up? Ridiculous.
It doesn't help that neither of them, but especially Eddie, had absolutely no undercard. Besides Eddie Guerrero, John Cena, JBL, and The Undertaker, can you remember literally anyone from the undercard of Smackdown from the year 2004 who was still around just 2 years later? Probably not. Raw was a little better, but still not great, you can't build your entire show around a 45 minute long Triple H promo and a Eugene segment every week and expect a champion who isn't Triple H to get over in those conditions. It's almost like the show was designed that way.
Orton was supposed to be the "Next Big Thing", but how long was his title reign? A month? Before the title was back in Triple H's hands? There was nothing wrong with Benoit as champion, it was just an excuse to get the world title back on Triple H, just indirectly.
Benoit in WWE was a great in ring worker. His promos were terrible.
@@davidepling724 It's true, but that is such a minor issue.
Brock Lesnar can't cut a promo. Bret Hart was just an OK promo, not great, not bad. Lets be real, Shawn Michaels is an average promo on his best day. All of them were multi time world champions.
But it doesn't matter how good or bad your promos are if you have no credible opponents, and never get to feud with anybody but the former champion, and never even get to be put in a position to really shine as a champion.
Pretty much nailed it. Uhhh was and is an egotistical asshat. Couldn't stand not to be the guy with the chip.
All their main eventers were gone or retired by 2004. Such a shame.
@@piccolo5346 It's not like they couldn't have had more main eventers. There were main eventers before The Rock and Steve Austin.
It's just they put absolutely no thought or effort into building up or supporting Eddie or Benoit as champions. They had basically been riding on the high of the Attitude era for so long that they put no thought into the next generation of stars.
I remember when Orton got cheered in Canada at Benoit home town against him
I was watching RAW during that time and it was awful. The first 30 minutes of each show was Evolution coming out to the ring to cut boring long promos. Apparently millions of wrestling fans got tired of HHH's ego and decided to watch something else.
That was the problem. The faction wasnt the problem it was HHH and his giant monologues. He can put any crowd to sleep with that shit.
He genuinely had some of the worst promos and matches I've ever seen in the wwe in that 02-05 period
Was confirmed he was on roids which showed. Cause his matches sucked horribly he could barely and couldn't carry a match for anyone
2005 was one of the best years
Cause it crowned and made new great top stars like Cena, Batista, Edge and Orton and tons of fans came back in 2005-2008
It was almost a second boom of wrestling
@@lokaloka1405 I'm not sure why but in Latinamerican (and probably many other places in the world outside US) the WWE shows were cut in 2002 and reinstated in 2005. We practically never lived the Lesnar, Angle, Benoit, Eddie and JBL years.
We were plugged out when Rocky was champ and suddenly we get back into the reigns of Cena/Batista in 2005. I think those 2005 made guys became so huge due to the reinstated international TV deals, Mysterio got crazy over too remember. He was seen as a solid midcarder yet once they started showing the TV shows again in Latinamerica we saw Mysterio and he got huge too, that is not a coincidence.
I don't think Cena, Batista and company made 2005 a huge year, it was the other way around. 2005 with its reinstated international deals made them huge.
The Rock and Steve Austin leaving was a huge decline for the industry. While younger stars were developed years later (Cena, Orton, Styles, Batista, CM Punk, etc) the damage was already done. Many Attitude/WCW fans switched to MMA or videogames
The Evolution storyline was coming of age, at first we thought it was for Orton when he became the youngest world champ but Batista was the star. Evolution had the perfect conclusion
I remember when Benoit won the title and the next Raw was all about...Triple H. Still.
It never felt like Benoit was the man. Even though at the time he was my favorite wrestler the belt just didn't seem right on him. He just didn't seem like the man
Like his song said, its all about the game. Lol
Yep, for almost half a year it was all about Benoit beating Hunter yet he was always fucking around the ME like a fucking thermite. They did that stupid angle with Eugene where Benoit looked like a punk too. Benoit's world championship run was ruined by shitty script. Even his wins against Kane were watered-down with small package finishes. That's definitely not the way to put over a supposed "main event guy".
And when he suddenly lost against Orton, who was over but barely, and he got a non-PPV rematch, lost and moved on, it was clear management never gave him a chance to establish himself as a main eventer. He held the title for almost half a year and forgot about it almost instantly, yet the guy he was buttkicking every week kept pining for the title. He was treated just as a transition champ, despite him main eventing probably the most important WrestleMania and being the one guy who got over Hunter (futily since Hunter never went away).
@@irishpanic Because Benoit couldn't cut a promo. When Triple H has more charisma than you do, that's a problem as Triple H's promo's during this time were cringe. I was happy when Benoit won the title but what else after that? In other words, ok, you're champ, now what? Benoit didn't draw me in with his promos because he had no mic skills - or are we going to blame Triple H for Benoit's lack of mic skills as well? Kurt was also a wrestling machine but damn, he was entertaining with skits. Benoit wasn't. I wanted to see Kurt in skits. I did not want to see Benoit in skits because he sucked at them which me not want to watch Benoit as champion on TV.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 Bret won most of his matches with small packages and roll ups and as champion and as the top guy - a lot of times it was Bret's idea to do it that way. Bret made guys by not beating them with his finish. It made him look like a fighting champion and the other guys look like potential stars - which is what Benoit did with Orton.
I remember Evolution quite fondly as the last okay era in WWE. I didn’t realise it at the time, but looking back there were still remnants of the Attitude era occasionally showing through in the programming. But it gradually became the total *shit* that it is today not long after.
WWE died in 2008 imo
The plan was always for Orton and Batista to fly the nest, it's just that Randy's departure was a little too hurried.
Wrong. He had picked up big wins by himself and held onto the ic title for 210 days. They picked the right time.
@@specialagentorange4329It was completely the wrong time. Orton had only just gotten into the main event as a heel, and suddenly he was cast as the top face on the same night that he was insulting the fans and cheating to retain his title. That was never going to work.
They should have followed the same formula they did with Rock and the Nation in 1998, by having Orton kick Triple H out of Evolution and lead the group himself. From there, you have Orton as the dominant champion, but slowly building to Batista getting sick of doing his dirty work for him. Essentially, the same build, but with Orton as the top guy instead of Triple H. Then you have Orton defend the title against Batista at WrestleMania 21.
Of course, that would take the spotlight off Triple H, which is precisely why they didn’t do it.
Evolution is a mystery
Full of change that no one sees.
I love how JR indirectly put AEW on blast for their tag team match spam.
“4 men in the ring at the same time, how does that happen”
"The ratings were down ..."
Guess I wasn't the only one who got tired of seeing HHH constantly going over and stopped watching the product. Haven't watched a single episode of any WWF/E programming in well over a decade.
You missed him going over STING at Mania in Sting's first ever WWE match.
Who else could carry that roster? Especially on RAW. Heels carry the show, not babyfaces.
Chris Benoit was world champion and in the main event scene at that time. Triple h was feuding with Eugene. Can’t blame HHH all the time, as much as you want to.
@@Underthehood1 true, but even when Chris Benoit was champion he was hardly in main events on Raw it was mostly The Triple H show
You ain't missing a damn thing. They have a modern day Triple H in Seth Rollins who's much more indecent, on top of that.
That Batista face turn when he won the 05 rumble and gave the thumbs down to triple h to me was one of the last good face turns in wwe
The WWE & Vince always prioritized the talent created by them.
Always? Hulk Hogan wasn't. Macho wasn't. Shawn Michaels wasn't. There are other examples.
Randy Orton was RED HOT at that time. He wasn't just getting cheered over Edge, but also Benoit who had been established as the top guy, and was even getting support when around Shawn Michaels who was THE babyface at the time. Not turning Orton would've been a mistake, and while I wish his reign could've been longer, the situation kinda reminds of of when Kerry Von Erich won the NWA WH Title. He wasn't ready emotionally, and while Orton ultimately worked out better as a heel (something I think everyone knew at the time), I think everyone also had their eyes on Triple H/Batista at WrestleMania 21 and him officially being crowned THE GUY, which he was until his injuries caught up with him later that year. After that it was Cena all day, every day, even when he wasn't on Smackdown or ECW.
Benoit wasn't cast wrong in 2004. He had a great five month reign as world champion, main eventing both WrestleMania and Summerslam in the same year (something not too many guys have done). He beat virtually every guy on Raw, multiple times in some cases, but main event guys generally have to deliver main event level promos in order to sell PPVs. Benoit did a fine job at that in my opinion, but the fact is that fans weren't buying him as THE GUY or THE BABYFACE. He was getting booed against Randy Orton who was being set up as an SOB almost to the caliber of Triple H, and yet he was getting more cheers than Benoit. WWE made the right move in my opinion, especially when at Taboo Tuesday he'd get last place and barely a fourth of the vote to challenge Triple H for the title as compared to Michaels and Edge, who was also getting booed.
They even had Cena on Smackdown fall of 2005 even after he was drafted on Raw that summer. Ugh.
Evolution was a great stable, Wish we had more years or even Evolution vs DX
I always hoped for combined team, D-Evolution X.
Benoit’s promos were decent, not great but certainly not disqualifying. And he could’ve had many more great matches at the top of the card.
And nobody would watch that's the problem and nah benoit was horrid on the mic especially when he tried to be funny
i have evolutions damn theme song stuck in my head. it wont go away lol.
Evolution is a mystery
Full of change that no one sees.
Clock makes a fool of history.
Yesterday's so long ago, don't agree with what I know .
Tomorrow's got no place to be.
I see the line in the sand
Time to find out who I am
Looking back to see where I stand.
EVOLUTION EVOLUTION
@@brett8554 AHHHHHH my brain!!!!!!
I always thought they took the belts off Chris and Eddie too soon. And the Eddie/JBL feud ended way too soon as well.
I remember being young and being sick of jbl as champ. He was champ for time
Eddie supposedly chose to give it up, the stress and pressure qas too much
JR keeps it easy realer than Bruce.. he reminds me of an old country uncle
evolution and triple holding the belt on and on and on killed wrestling at the time. Everyone knew the knew outcome, which ever one was fighting they would come out and get them the win. Same old story so why bother watching
Evolution wasn't the problem in of itself, Triple H's dominance was.
Millions still watched
@@Sh0tgunJust1ce it wasnt even just the domiance. Smackdown had most the big talent on it at the time so triple h had barely any credible threats.
@@cerebralassassin2185Exactly. While Angle, Benoit, Lesnar and Eddie were killing it on SmackDown, Triple H was wrestling the older WCW guys on RAW like Steiner, Goldberg and Nash. The matches sucked and the feuds were boring.
@11:25 Completely disagree with the idea of dress code violations at house shows or any weekly taping where you’re just there to wrestle.
Wearing sports attire at a sports venue is sufficient unless you’re making a formal appearance on TV or a HoF type show.
I hate when they feel the need to break up factions every single time. Drives me nuts.
All time best faction right here. Only faction I can remember where all became/where top stars consistently! I dont see any problems with the faction at all!
😆😆🤣😂😅 I really love this ironic/sarcastic humour, very funny!
Facts!
I like Evolution.. but all factions have a shelf life. It still was a watered down version of the Four Horsemen and the four member DX.. but it got them where you expect.
The WWE hurts its own product most of the time.
Why did we never see Stone Cokd Steve Austin vs Cm Punk ?
Or a retirement match between Kurt Angle and John Cena !?!?
Give the fans what they want ❗
Maybe because Austin didn’t want to do it? He’s stated numerous times over the years now he’s happy being retired. Fans are so blinded by entitlement.
And they finally did it when they gave AJ Styles the World Championship. At 5' 11" and just over 210 pounds he was the guy that I feel brought that smaller wrestler to the top of the big stage.
Huh? Smaller guys were doing well way before Styles came along.
Chris Jericho? Benoit? Eddie?
@@on10_Juce I can see where you're going but if you look back at interviews it was very argumentative to put the titles on those guys and Vince was just not happy about it. I don't know those guys one titles and I know they were definitely championship material but it was still frowned on at the time for Vince it was like an experiment it wasn't until 20 years later that he finally realized the big guy doesn't have to be the world champion
Damn didn’t know it was JR’s idea to bring the radicalz In that was genius malenko and perry Saturn were ok but they struck gold with Eddie & Benoit great move by JR and as a wrestling fan I’m thankful
Malenko & Saturn were way better than Benoit & Guerrero. Also, they didn’t strike gold haha. Benoit & Guerrero never drew a single dime
@@joemayo4078 they probably were better in wcw yes but wwf Guerrero and Benoit took off fuck you yalking get out of here with that hating shit !
Saturn with moppe was hiliarous
I was always iffy with malencko
I could listen to JR all day.
"Thimble balls"
That's great!😂
Yeah, Evolution’s turn on Orton could’ve been due to crowd reactions, MNF, Benoit’s lack of charisma, etc... Or... it could’ve been that Vince has fucked up literally EVERY angle that’s been handed to him since the turn of century, due to a lack of patience and a long term plan, his ego, and a lack of real understanding of what got that company so much success before WCW went out of business. Considering the volume of evidence that we have now, I’m gonna go with the latter.
I agree w/ you expect for beniot.
I was a huge beniot fan, but i think his lack of chasima hurt him bad. I thought he was a better heel. I would have gone w/ angle as my top face. just to try it out
Evolution is probably my favorite faction of all time. Kayfabe they were pretty much perfect and could beat anyone. What that meant for the sheets, I didn’t know, still really don’t know, but when they broke up is when I stopped watching until CM Punk became champ.
OK. You may want to watch the 4 Horsemen and nwo.
Love how Jim breaks it down to a science. ❤️
Conrad needs to lower his microphone volume, by a LOT. good lord
Who else was salivating listening to this?
What about HBKs height?
Him and Rollins around the same height. 6'1, 6'2ish with boots
@@burnsdagreat I don't think HBK has ever been 6'1 I've always thought he was around 5'11 on a good day
@@mitchelltrotter8406 yea probably in bare feet he's a solid 5'10, 5'11. The boots elevated him
@@burnsdagreat I would imagine he's lost height with his back problems
@@mitchelltrotter8406 I’m 6’1 and I’ve met Shawn at a signing and stood next to him for a picture, he’s def 5’11 or just 6’0 because he was shorter than me. Not knocking him, because in my opinion he’s still greatest of all time.
Anybody hungry looking at the background?
I will agree with J.R. Bad Blood 04 the booking for Beniot was bad. There was more emphasis put the Triple H Shawn Michaels hell in the cell vs Beniot and Kane which was for the title.
Jr remember Brett Hart? Not a big guy. What about Shawn Michaels ?
Yeah exactly lmao.
They made Brett and Shawn top guys because of the steroid trial. They tried to push Lex Luger and Diesel to the moon but the fans rejected it.
Fans weren't "tired" of Evolution
was a Great stable....They broke them up too fast....
Love JRs perspective
I definitely agree it was not Benoits fault whatsoever, he was great
Hopefully they give Adam cole a push on top
I started watching wrestling full time 2 weeks before Kane took his mask off the first time ! I personally think the ruthless aggression era was fantastic!
It was an amazing time but wouldn't have been anything without Hardcore Holly
No one watched that. Everyone tuned out in 2003
I started watching the week kane unmasked. I was hooked from the moment til around 2016
@@joemayo4078 2001 was the start so I believe most watched that
That sucks tho damn you didn’t get to enjoy any of Lane before the reveal but glad you came aboard lol
I loved Benoit and Eddie as champion. Sucks to think their run was capped because of height. They had the talent to be show stoppers just as much as Shawn Michaels.
Nah, triple h needed evolution just as much as Orton and batista needed him. Think about all the low points in HHH's career like 2007 solo vs when he's flourishing. His highpoints have always been in a faction. DX (orginal), Hhh and Chyna, DX 2000, McMahon helmsely faction, Hhh and flair pairing, Evolution, DX reunion/tagteam 2005, The authority. His whole carried has been carried by mixing with others.
They needed another year, Lesnar would of stayed things would of been way different!
Hands down the greatest faction of all time. And there’s no one who can argue, it did it’s job. It had the past, the current and the future and the two young guys they hand picked became mega stars. It did what it was made for and was the main story line on WWE tv for 2 years.
Over 97'-98' DX ??
DX were more over and did wonders for HHH, but what did it do for kid, Gunn and Road Dogg. They never became stars. Orton and Batista main evented multiple wrestle manias and orton is still a top guy to this day
@@catchemcarlisle5655 you right u right
@@catchemcarlisle5655 agreed !! & DX is my era. But evolution made it wonders for everyone in the group
Seth is not a big guy, he is just tall, but he is so lean and lacks bulk
I wish Evolution did last longer they did a lot and not enough at the same time
I think they went as far as they should in my opinion. Stables usually last around two years (their run was 03-05) Any longer and it would have gotten stale. The goal was to push Orton and Batista to main event status and once that was accomplished, they EVOLVED to main event stars. I think they should have reunited at some point a little longer than they did tho.
RVD was not a giant and was a champ and now a well deserved Hall of Famer!
I really enjoy these podcasts , very cool stories,
Evolution formed perfectly and broke up perfectly!
The same video was posted months ago
If size was a issue Test should've been a few times WWF/E champion
Too bland
@@joemayo4078 his moves set was great he just wasn't mic skill worthy
HHH buried him early when he inserted himself into the Test and Stephanie marriage storyline.
@@megavolt67 so true. They buried both chyna and tear. So sad.
Why does Conrad sound so much like he would be Jr's son
What episode is this from? Want to listen to the whole episode.
Poor mans 4 horsemen
Seth Rollins DID get his little title run as heavyweight and US champion, however I don’t see him getting another push as WWE Champion ANYTIME soon if ever again….
Makes one wonder they unmasked Kane .
I missed most of that because of The shovel h reign of terror I couldn’t get through raw so I only watched smackdown
Fun Fact: Batista is older than HHH
That is a fun fact.
yes but batista and orton are true heels. spin them out as heels
JR is 100% correct the booking was to blame
After Benoit, I did not watch wrestling much.
I have to agree with JR's assessment.
The Kane vs Benoit angle was terrible. Kane went a tare for a year after unmasking and was just stopped by the Undertaker at WM20. It made Kane look bad too and they did not work well together for whatever reason.
Orton won, short lived, back to Triple H and here we go again as Triple H as champion. WM21 fans were beyond sick of Triple H and Batista winning was not so much having Batista over it was everyone was so sick of Triple H. WM20 when Triple H would cover or look like he just might win the boo's were deafening.
I think JR is correct pointing out bad booking. From just after WM18-WM 23 was bad overall with some good things scattered in between.
"Evolution is a mystery
Full of change that no one sees"
"Clock makes a fool of history
Yesterday's too long ago"
"Dont agree with what I know
Tomorrow is the place to be"
I feel like this bit was more about Benoit than Evolution
Evolution was created for one specific goal, to let Triple H achieve something that Terra Rizzan was never going to do, Join the four Horseman.
That dress code was bullshit. For one, undertaker never had to do it so if you’re not gonna do it for everyone, you shouldn’t be doing it for anyone. Not to mention they were still labeled as “independent contractors“ but WWE got to control who they worked for, who they spoke to, and how they dressed? That’s bullshit.
this man JR is so fucking smart
Orton is not exactly the face of the company like Cena, Hogan, or Stone Cold, he is the FOUNDATION that have been keeping WWE alive all this years, if you look back, Taker vs Orton, Cena vs Orton, HHH vs Orton, it may have look like Orton was getting the push but it was actually ORTON carrying the company on his back with those rivalries.
This video is not titled right that should be retitled why they took the belt off Chris Benoit
Evolution was pushed hard. They were a great stable.
Chris Benoit always gave his all in the ring. I was shocked in the summer of '07, when he killed his family and himself. Just why . . ?
Brain damage
Thank you JR that's the whole point of a fucking faction so that's why they broke up because the faction done its job which was it got two people over so idk why people bitching about it
JR saying this but yet they wanted Roman in a promo position Undertaker isnt even a good talker yet he's one of their best so makes no sense what he's saying.
Is Ric being in the 4 Horsemen the one exception to the rules that JR mentioned about Factions? He didn't need to be with them. He was bigger than the Horsemen, he was a singles star, he was a tag star, three man tag star. The only guy that was spit out of the Horsemen was Lex. Ole didn't need to be spit out. Neither did Barry. Was that another exception?
Sid and Sting were also Horsemen.
and in early 2021 they would absolutely kill for the "low" ratings they are talking about here. Wrestling overall has the lowest ratings ever in history.
Who cares? I couldn't stand Evolution and the power hungry Triple H.
Sounds like they were doing their job then. You’re supposed to hate heels.
More like "I want to change the channel, watch something else etc" type of heel. I couldn't stand them either and stopped watching wrestling around that time
@@backpackmack3013 not just becaue he was a heel.. because he and HBK were known to politic their way to the top and STAY at the top. They damn near tried to haze the Rock the so bad, he almost quit the industry.
@@backpackmack3013 You're supposed to hate them in a work sense, not a shoot sense. Vince for example was a heel you loved to hate. He was heelish in an entertaining way. HHH was a heel that many didn't like because they felt like the didn't deserve to be hogging the spotlight the way he did. He also only had a serviceable move set in the ring and his mic work was often dull and plodding. This is why he wasn't as successful without Rock and Austin to work off of. Fortunately for him, he has still often had Stephanie (a much better heel than him on the mic) in story to help out.
Evolution was an amazing group, problemnwas they stuck together for too long, and dominated raw for too long
The Greatest example of Evolution was EVOLUTION pun intended 🤐🤫
Fun fact: Batista is the same age as HHH
WWF had some champions who were not giants and barely cracked 6’;
Randy Savage
Ric Flair
Bret Hart
Steve Austin
Shawn Michaels
Anyone else got hungry watching this video?