Miki Miki Sony is dead in terms of mobile inventions. the new Zx etc are just nothing. that's one reason why they separated PlayStation into another company
@@dushyanthkandiah3943 but without Samsung, google won't be popular and successful with android software. Ios is already big with mac pc. Same goes with Microsoft Windows which is basically the most affordable and commonly used software in computers and laptops. It's also said in the video that without Samsung, no one knows or uses android as a software so far.
Freedom 424 nope, Google's cardboard came out first, and that was a cheap alternative to the actual vr headsets by oculus, once Samsung's gear VR cane out, Google then developed daydream for a better form factor, and ergonomic style, but also with a higher price. they still sell cardboard for those who cannot afford the more expensive version
Kiyan Kayser sadly that's all that Apple does lately. Lean back and chill. They literally haven't done anything amazing that has sent me running to an Apple store in awhile. Their computers are hilariously over priced and removing a headphone jack is considered "brave". Apple is nothing but a shell of what it used to be.
Competition is good, but when 3 different major phone manufacturers are competing (Apple, Samsung, Google) it makes each companies services less useful because less people use them.
Healthy competition yes.....this kind of competition where fragmentation is at the order of the day.....not so much. In my case i would say i am a "die hard fanboy" of the midle brands that offers most liberty and quality/price like one plus and xiaomi. You can pretty much set them to your convenience....either u want custom ROMs or oficial, either you want google services or not.....and when you buy one of their devices....you don´t have a hole in your pocket. If those brands will get more expensive and become like the high end brands, im pretty sure there will be new ones.
They both want to become apple. Apple is not their enemy, since they have their own loyal customer base and ecosystem, google can not shut down google apps on ios, because they can't fight apple. Meanwhile android world is on fire, samsung and google are fighting over controll, thats why samsung provided apple with oled screen, but not google.
Another reason: China. Over a billion people that don't use (or can't use) Google Play Services. That's also got to be a big reason why Samsung doesn't/can't rely on Google.
Ah, I remember reading up until last year that Play Services were coming 'soon' to China, tentatively slated for December 2016. I did a bit of light searching but couldn't find any other articles talking about it. My understanding was that most Android phones (if not all) bought in China are Google-free i.e. use AOSP-derived ROMs.
When UA-cam actually recommends me some good content it makes me happy lol 🙂 very interesting topic I would of never really knew about! Got a new sub here.
@"I watch memes" Competition != War @sofiane sebbouh It is also not competition, because they both actively want to destroy each other. not compete, competition would be a case like microsoft vs apple, where apple is sitting duck right now playing with its food by taking away head phone jack and usb ports while microsoft is catching up on all fronts.
Eh. People get the Pixel for not having bloatware, unlike Samsung... People never bought Google Play versions either (other OEM phones with stock Android).
Marvincent Acuña The big change is in the marketing, where the nexus was marketed as an enthusiast phone, where the pixel is marketed as a much more standard flagship.
Love your take on things and the way you record your videos. But the biggest reason I LOVE and keep coming back to your channel, is because of the points you bring up. I do not see any other channels doing this. So, thank you :)
In some ways I understand Samsung's choices. Google is famously bad at releasing all their services outside the US and a few other countries. Here in Sweden Google didn't even release the Pixel because the assistant doesn't work here. I'm pretty sure Bixby will work in Sweden and most other countries too. If Samsung wouldn't have developed their own voice assistant, the S8 would basically lack some functions that their main competitor Apple has in their products in most countries, without the possibility to do anything about it. Other products from Google that still aren't available here: UA-cam Red, Android Auto, Google Home, Google Family sharing, Android Pay, Google Wallet Products from Google that took ages to come here: Google Apps, being able to pay for Android apps Products from Samsung that aren't available here: None that I can think of right now Products from Samsung that took a while to come here: Samsung Pay
So basically they have recognized that Apple's approach on its businesses is correct and now they also want to control hardware and software? Seems legit
Santnaman Singh Matharu well yeah. Apple is worlds most valuable brand and they make shit-tons of money more than the others. So who wouldnt want that. Clearly owning a ”monopoly” is the best business plan in the economical sense.
But wouldn't an open interconnected space be better? If Samsung and Google agreed to share resources and merge, they would completely blow everyone out the water. It would probably break a ton of anti-trust law, at least in the US, but we would have some pretty dope tech.
Do you have a business degree by chance? Or any degree? You are incredibly insightful and well-versed on business practices and on taking educated guesses on different topics.
I always love hearing people say "you don't need to go to college, its a waste of money". Your videos are a great example of how applicable the knowledge is. A few years of analyzing other businesses like this and you may be ready to take on a legitimate position in one of these companies for your insight.
TechAltar = reasons to get an MBA, eh? :) I've debated with myself if I wanted, needed, or could tolerate that path. I'm still not sure if it's right for me, but your analyses are solid, and that's an attribute I admire.
People who say college is a waste obviously do not understand college. College is also about networking and building you up. If you go school and head right out, you wasted your college experience because anyone can learn anything online these days, you can't learn the hundreds of thousands of experiences colleges has to offer to go along with it.
So appreciate your video, it is very informative. In my opinion, the approach from software to hardware get more chance to win, since software is more irreplaceable than hardware. Also, Samsung not only need to fight with software from Google, but also encounter competition with apple in high end market and mid-to-low end market with Chinese smartphone maker. Finally, the economical and political conditions in Korea is highly unstable right now, Samsung has more potential risks inside.
Jin Zhang //No. Actually China has more risks inside cause of trade war with USA i think china will no last longer....Samsung is main supplier of important parts to Apple and even for cheap low end Chinese companies too. Competition with Chinese companies? Hahaha...you made me laugh! Did you know that Google is paying 4 billion dollars a year to Samsung for setup their search engine in the galaxy phones? Get a life!
HOWEVER, samsung is just much, MUCH bigger as a company. this sort of thing was the stuff sony was trying to do with a wammy of playstation-phones-tv intergration that failed cause of internal issues. if samsung avoids the pitfalls already made by sony...
That vertical integration viewpoint was interesting, I never thought about it like that, and I also never thought about how that's exactly what apple has done and why both parties want this so bad.
@@anoddtod5711 yeah but does google have an ai city, do they have tanks, are they the biggest smartphone seller in the world? Did they built the Burj Khalifa and another tower in Singapore (i think)
I'm really enjoying your videos because you actually look at how the tech industry results in the tech products we get. Way too many alleged experts just regurgitate press releases and have no foresight or understanding.
I agree with you. The only reason, the parent reason, that windows mobile is not so popular, is because there are not that many big name products on there. So people won't build apps, and less people will buy. So if Samsung moves, windows will experience a boom, and thousands of people will build apps, and android, will be 2nd place.
Chris Nuñez but let's not forget the biggest appeal of android is the freedom it offers the user and the developer. If only Samsung moved to Microsoft then Microsoft will receive a big boost but not enough to overtake Android since android is on so many other big phones like Huawei, LG and Xiaomi which some of Samsungs biggest competitors. Unless those companies make a switch to Microsoft, Android will still dominate the market.
This EXPLANATION is Sooooo good! Hey Tech Altar, the way you explain in the video is very good. Everything becomes clear at one go. All the Modules cooperating with your voice fits so nicely. I always wondered why Google would want Samsung's dominance to come down. I have had this doubt ever since I learnt and heard about Google Pixel. But now, a LOT of things become clear. Now I understand why Samsung has been making every single app that Google has for us already.
Nice video but I'm surprised that you said Samsung would prefer a smaller business than be more closely aligned with Google. Samsung is in fact bigger than Google and Microsoft.....combined! And as a total corporate entity are far larger than Apple. I believe Samsungs long term plan will be to ditch Google entirely and with about 25% of the total mobile market and over 35% of the Android market including tablets, this is something Google are extremely afraid of, hence Pixel (which hasn't been a success) hence Daydream following Gear VR, but now with Gear VR having a substantial ecosystem and hundreds of excellent apps, Daydream has a lot of catching up to do. I think Samsung are on the right path for themselves, they are the strongest corporate body in the technology business, both profits and sales are growing rapidly and this year for the first time, Samsung individual shares are more valuable than Apple. If I was Google I'd be shaking in my boots as one day there will be a total move away from Android with its severe and worsening fragmentation problem. There are so many advantages for Samsung to break the bond with Android, when it's ready to do so, which will happen.
Brian M yep, you are right my friend. Samsung has been using android since the first of its kind, and honestly has grown up since then, and they may even build their own software better than android. I could be totally wrong, but it sounds like that's what is going to happen.
Now google is fixing its fragmentation problem by implementing project treble which makes you install aosp with almost no problem to any treble supported device and also with their seemless update feature, manufacturers can update their own custom android even without updating its vendor(manufacturers of the phone's parts) specific drivers so they dont need to wait for the vendor to update update their drivers. Now most security updates takes like only 3wks late when its first released by google(well in the case of huawei)....
I think that if Samsung does actually come up with their own OS, Google will most probably not support it (no UA-cam app, no Drive app, etc…) just like what they did with Microsoft phones which will be a big problem for Samsung since most people these days depend on Google services. On the other hand, Samsung could overcome this problem with their current partners (Facebook for a video service & Microsoft for cloud & office services) which may or may not work.
So Samsung wants to be Apple but just on more electronics. Since they want to push Tizen, I doubt they would share it with others like google does with android and wants to it only on their devices like iOS or macOS for Apple. The only difference is Samsung has more devices of a lot of categories. While google just doesn't want to be left in the dust if Samsung leaves them
Anonymous One There's LG. LG made the ultra fine 5k display for Apple. Phil Shiller also said they will release a Cinema Display by the end of this year which probably be 5k and LG would probably provide them. Samsung definitely has the best mobile display's. And as we know Apple bought over 70 million of them for next gen iPhones. I am not saying Apple can get the best without Samsung but. What I AM saying is they have choices unlike Samsung who gets profit if Apple buys their product and doesn't if Apple doesn't buy their products.
I really enjoy watching your Story behind series. You never fail to give great insights, and I have no doubt that you do your research before posting. High Five!
retrogamer33 When a company is trying to dominate an industry, everyone in that industry is a competitor, and thus are at war with all that pose a threat to them.
i get how both google and samsung seek to achieve software and hardware domination.. so why would samsung make chromebooks and tablets based on android instead of windows based tablets(considering android on tablets is relatively weak) and why do companies like LG and HTC skin their software so heavily Please reply. BIG FAN of your work..
To me this just seems bad for the consumer. I like Android and the services offered by google but I cant get the Pixel, because its not available in my country. At the same time i like the Samsung Galaxy line but the UI is horrible and I don't want Bixby shoved in my face. Meanwhile all the other manufacturers don't know whose boat to jump on so every phone seems to have different partners, features, etc. The only one who is stable is Apple and please don't make me go to Apple. Please.
Nah. Not really. Android is simple choice 100% of a time. Just go with pixel or HTC. They are top notch devices in some areas (software integration, audio) even better than samsung and equal/close to equal in other. And in my opinion its no war. It would be enough from google to stop updating android to new samsung devices and it would die out (or change OS and die immediatelly)
The Pixel is great and all but I dislike software buttons, they take up screen real-estate plus they are much more annoying to use than hardware ones (In my humble opinion). And i'm sorry but since the M7 HTC is a joke, I had the ONE M7 for 3 years and i loved it but after than HTC just went downhill. I would much rather look at the new G6 or a OnePlus 3T. I doubt that Samsung would die out if Google were to stop offering updates. The majority of the market does not care for stock Android, or for Android at all. I'm willing to bet that most people won't care what OS they are running as long as they have their apps and some gimmicks that Samsung offers with each version of their Android skin. Now if Google were to drop Google Apps entirely from Samsung phones, that would be very interesting to see. Anyway, it's just a pointless greedy fight where everyone just wants to prove that they have the bigger stick. Samsung's going to start making toilet paper very soon. Just stick to what you're good at and calm the f**k down.
I find it odd how suddenly my S5 likes to chew up my battery for almost no reason when my Galaxy Tab 3 can last for days on idle, and even multiple hours when active. Doze makes no sense on Marshmallow.
I dropped my S6edge plus several (concrete, road, stairs) and the glass is still intact. This I consider a hit :) That does not mean there isn't room for improvement ;) I'm not sure the next should be S8 ...
Great to see there is one platform who has already hardware/software/services in one (Apple). Knowing the market strategy of Google and Samsung, I am really hoping for Samsung strategy to delibereren services and operating systems which are guarentee privacy. So Samsung I will be cheering for you.... even consider to adopt your solution over Apple 😉
competition between the bigger brands is better for consumers. If the companies joined together, everything would stagnate as there wouldn't be much incentive from competition to further any technologies. but it would be nicer if they at least had cross compatibility >_
Samsung Please start supporting Google more!! Google is way better for everyone in general because Googles services är avalible for everyone in Every platform
Apple made google the giant it is today and they backstabbed them by copying Apple IP to create the knockoffs known as android. This made Apple cut ties and kick them off the board. Now Google PAYS Apple billions a year to allow them on iOS. LOL!
your joking is too far from the rest of the world. have you seen good pixel 2 and 2 xl quality built by HTC & LG and how those got critize by jerry rig everything? you should watch it
CraftMineThenBuild pixel phones are not ugly they are rather good, and the software is miles better than Samsung's. I have both I use the pixel as my daily, the software is just like butter and the camera is the best in a smartphone.
Owning the best smartphone OS won't make a difference because they didn't make it. They just own it. The only thing that makes android stand while google owning it is the fact that its open source
Thanks for this video, it really makes it so easy to appreciate the differences in these two companies and how or why they work together. Good job at making it easy to understand! The video stands for its simplicity. Please keep making more!
Yeah funny thing is Apple buys all its chips from Samsung. Literally it's devices hearts come from Samsung. This is one of many reasons Samsung took over as number one. That's not opinion that now are more profitable and their market share is larger. They are worth more. They sell better in stock market as well. Apple has been going down and down.
well... not really. apple makes its own chips, they are MASTERS at actual chip design for mobile hardware. the raw "specs" are inferior but the hardware is intergrated so well with the actual chips that they preform as well if not better than at least, samsung's flagship bespite being 50% weaker in raw specs. apple uses other hardware from samsung however.
Hey man been watching your story behind series; all these videos are top notch and are well researched. I wonder if Samsung is truly trying to leave android, or just making sure that it has a way out.
Vishal Rathour They will actually Nokia will make Android phones with the help of Google, Google just will help license or have things to deal with the PlayStation but Nokia will own the Android market.
Totally agree and i can predict what's going to happen next from your theory. If Samsung want more independence from Google, not just the Samsung App Store, they need to do the way Amazon Fire OS did, fork the AOSP android current version and make it independent from the original source, example, Fire OS was running Ice Cream Sandwich fork for year when google was now using Kitkat and licensing ICS hardware was not possible anymore from google, Fire OS was still manually updating their fork with their own update and patch no more android based while still running a similar ecosystem, like Manjaro forking Arch Linux, making some stuff break if trying to use the other source but can still sideload the same app. So next step would be an independent Touchwiz not using AOSP update anymore for new OS version.
Im a Samsung phone owner, but after watching this video, it had me wondering; What good is Awesome hardware if the software isnt awesome; I'd take Google assistent over Samsung assistent any day. On the otherhand, we tried to get the first pixal when it came out, but it was impossiable to get a hold of, we gave up after 1 year of trying to get one.
J.Cliff Toomey Samsung's internet is better than Google Chome on Android, I personally don't use Google Play Music instead i just use the normal music player There are some key areas where Samsung has better software than Google. Also Google's messaging apps are a complete mess, so I just default messaging app.
SlenderMarc Yes it does have a function. To reduce the size bezels. and let's be honest here even a average consumer will be attracted to a prettier device.
Both Samsung and Google want what Apple has. Complete vertical integration, from phone to computer to watch to services. Apple is the North Korea of tech companies, they are extremely authoritarian but strangely completely self reliant.
Just like I thought, it was clear there was war when Samsung wanted more of the pie by including Samsung pay icon just close to the home button. I keep opening it anytime I want to type my pin.
As always great video, so glad that I subscribed to you that one time in hope of more interesting content. It's one of my favorite tech series right now. Very informative and it always seems like you prepared yourself a lot in order to make it. Hope you'll keep up with that attitude and one time maybe you'll be able to make it your daily work if you wish so. :D
tbh this is a bit of that game theory. They both would get better profits if they helped each other out, but one could get massive profits if only one of them went up against their competitors. And honestly this is good. It means better products all around as they compete for the top. And this might be how they actually surpass the competitors that outclass them, by seeing who can get there first.
You missed something important, Samsung has been collaborating with oculus in 2013, even before Facebook's acquisition, and Google haven't got into the vr field until 2014
medieval combat
Yes, they actually run around with swords and stab each other, I think :P
Another great video!
TechAltar do a same kind with Apple
Google needs Sony
Miki Miki Sony is dead in terms of mobile inventions. the new Zx etc are just nothing. that's one reason why they separated PlayStation into another company
Title: Why do Samsung and Google keep fighting?
Me: they were fighting?
Me too
Me: Wait, Motorola was bought by Google?!
Yes, me too
My initial response
It's an open secret.
Sounds likes a relationship where no matter how much they fight they still have each others back in the end
Their real enemy is Apple.
T K 😂
Google doesn't need samsung
@@dushyanthkandiah3943 but without Samsung, google won't be popular and successful with android software. Ios is already big with mac pc. Same goes with Microsoft Windows which is basically the most affordable and commonly used software in computers and laptops. It's also said in the video that without Samsung, no one knows or uses android as a software so far.
Dushyanth Kandiah yes they do only Samsung is keeping android ahead of Apple no one wants Chinese phones
The Phone War: Coming to OverSimplified eventually
you forgot samsung pay and android pay
one is useless the other is awesome.
can you tell which is which?
Samsung pay is shit
Charlie smasung pay is amazing and works everywhere I go
Ludo Labonne samsung pay came first same with the smart watch, tv, and vr headset
Freedom 424 nope, Google's cardboard came out first, and that was a cheap alternative to the actual vr headsets by oculus, once Samsung's gear VR cane out, Google then developed daydream for a better form factor, and ergonomic style, but also with a higher price. they still sell cardboard for those who cannot afford the more expensive version
Great everyone is fighting to become the exact thing that we hate Apple for...
Because that's how they make money
Unfortunately that's inevitable when the end goal is to make money. Nothing is more profitable then vertical integration.
While Samsung and Google are fighting, Apple is leaning back and enjoys the war ;D
Kiyan Kayser sadly that's all that Apple does lately. Lean back and chill. They literally haven't done anything amazing that has sent me running to an Apple store in awhile. Their computers are hilariously over priced and removing a headphone jack is considered "brave". Apple is nothing but a shell of what it used to be.
Walrus glasses I don't hate Apple for that, so don't include me in your stupid reasoning
I thought i was on drugs when Facebook, Microsoft, LG, HTC were getting smaller!!! 7:10
LOL ! hahaha
Didn't notice that lol, I think I'm on drugs. Literally nothing else to look at. 🤔😅😂
I was tired in bed looking at the vid with only one eye and I thought I was going nuts LMAO
Competition is good for US. But fan boys just want their company to rule.
Competition is good, but when 3 different major phone manufacturers are competing (Apple, Samsung, Google) it makes each companies services less useful because less people use them.
aelham exactly, look what happened to iPhones because they just recently got competition
True. I want Microsoft to rule, but I am happy sitting in my corner with my Microsoft hardware and software. The little 2% that could
@FALprofessional Microsoft is BIG everywhere, except phones... Sadly :/
Healthy competition yes.....this kind of competition where fragmentation is at the order of the day.....not so much.
In my case i would say i am a "die hard fanboy" of the midle brands that offers most liberty and quality/price like one plus and xiaomi. You can pretty much set them to your convenience....either u want custom ROMs or oficial, either you want google services or not.....and when you buy one of their devices....you don´t have a hole in your pocket. If those brands will get more expensive and become like the high end brands, im pretty sure there will be new ones.
Samsung makes military hardware, so they have an edge if it means war lol
they have an "edge". that's punny
lmao that's one way to look at it
Not anymore, Samsung sold their military/defense business (Samsung Techwin) to fellow South Korean conglomerate Hanwha back in 2015
haha awesome bro Samsung will ruin them lets bring the war ships .
TJ Suydam release the Note 7's 😂😂😂
*They are both against apple?* So they are friends :)
no they want to become apple
That's basically ,,The enemy of my enemy is my friend''
They both want to become apple. Apple is not their enemy, since they have their own loyal customer base and ecosystem, google can not shut down google apps on ios, because they can't fight apple. Meanwhile android world is on fire, samsung and google are fighting over controll, thats why samsung provided apple with oled screen, but not google.
@@satinkuti5875 this is so true
😮
Nah android manufactures still have rivalrys against each other
Another reason: China. Over a billion people that don't use (or can't use) Google Play Services. That's also got to be a big reason why Samsung doesn't/can't rely on Google.
why can't Chinese use Google play services?
geronimo Google is banned in China..
geronimo Censoring by the Chinese government
Ah, I remember reading up until last year that Play Services were coming 'soon' to China, tentatively slated for December 2016. I did a bit of light searching but couldn't find any other articles talking about it.
My understanding was that most Android phones (if not all) bought in China are Google-free i.e. use AOSP-derived ROMs.
Nouman Khan great point there
Like Frank Underwood says "Shake with your right hand but hold a rock with your left."...
Good one!
When UA-cam actually recommends me some good content it makes me happy lol 🙂 very interesting topic I would of never really knew about! Got a new sub here.
Good for you
Its called competition, not WAR !!!
similar thing
It's more of a cold war
Bashir Kashalo its not
north korea is not far from south korea. Samsungs home.
@"I watch memes"
Competition != War
@sofiane sebbouh
It is also not competition, because they both actively want to destroy each other. not compete, competition would be a case like microsoft vs apple, where apple is sitting duck right now playing with its food by taking away head phone jack and usb ports while microsoft is catching up on all fronts.
Google + Samsung phone = APPLE LOGO WILL HAVE ANOTHER BITE
Auriv has no last name, old nexus? Didn't bite at all.
Marvincent Acuña a new phone with new technology
Eh. People get the Pixel for not having bloatware, unlike Samsung... People never bought Google Play versions either (other OEM phones with stock Android).
Marvincent Acuña The big change is in the marketing, where the nexus was marketed as an enthusiast phone, where the pixel is marketed as a much more standard flagship.
Pixel software optimized in todays Samsung hardware will be PUURFECCT.
Love your take on things and the way you record your videos. But the biggest reason I LOVE and keep coming back to your channel, is because of the points you bring up. I do not see any other channels doing this.
So, thank you :)
This is great. We need more competition. Google is like a monopoly today
But I really want S8 to work with Daydream, and instead I just get just half the fun with Gear VR.
FAQUERETERMAX It will come with Daydream support this summer.
In some ways I understand Samsung's choices. Google is famously bad at releasing all their services outside the US and a few other countries. Here in Sweden Google didn't even release the Pixel because the assistant doesn't work here. I'm pretty sure Bixby will work in Sweden and most other countries too.
If Samsung wouldn't have developed their own voice assistant, the S8 would basically lack some functions that their main competitor Apple has in their products in most countries, without the possibility to do anything about it.
Other products from Google that still aren't available here: UA-cam Red, Android Auto, Google Home, Google Family sharing, Android Pay, Google Wallet
Products from Google that took ages to come here: Google Apps, being able to pay for Android apps
Products from Samsung that aren't available here: None that I can think of right now
Products from Samsung that took a while to come here: Samsung Pay
user10476 also Google opinion rewards, Google books...(atleast in Croatia)
Both is actually available here.
Lucky me
You got it.
Google and Samsung rely on each other, not as much as other companies, but pretty close relationship.
Any tips on how you made this video?
The animations part.
I use Adobe Premiere Pro and Photoshop. I just put a white background and then throw icons on them :D
throw icons ?
Harshit S the animations are from commercial ads
So basically they have recognized that Apple's approach on its businesses is correct and now they also want to control hardware and software? Seems legit
Santnaman Singh Matharu well yeah. Apple is worlds most valuable brand and they make shit-tons of money more than the others. So who wouldnt want that. Clearly owning a ”monopoly” is the best business plan in the economical sense.
But wouldn't an open interconnected space be better? If Samsung and Google agreed to share resources and merge, they would completely blow everyone out the water. It would probably break a ton of anti-trust law, at least in the US, but we would have some pretty dope tech.
You explain tech like a BOSS! good work and keep it up.
Do you have a business degree by chance? Or any degree? You are incredibly insightful and well-versed on business practices and on taking educated guesses on different topics.
Yeah, I studied business. Thanks!
I always love hearing people say "you don't need to go to college, its a waste of money".
Your videos are a great example of how applicable the knowledge is.
A few years of analyzing other businesses like this and you may be ready to take on a legitimate position in one of these companies for your insight.
TechAltar = reasons to get an MBA, eh? :) I've debated with myself if I wanted, needed, or could tolerate that path. I'm still not sure if it's right for me, but your analyses are solid, and that's an attribute I admire.
I'm going to study business too!
People who say college is a waste obviously do not understand college. College is also about networking and building you up. If you go school and head right out, you wasted your college experience because anyone can learn anything online these days, you can't learn the hundreds of thousands of experiences colleges has to offer to go along with it.
So appreciate your video, it is very informative. In my opinion, the approach from software to hardware get more chance to win, since software is more irreplaceable than hardware. Also, Samsung not only need to fight with software from Google, but also encounter competition with apple in high end market and mid-to-low end market with Chinese smartphone maker. Finally, the economical and political conditions in Korea is highly unstable right now, Samsung has more potential risks inside.
Jin Zhang //No. Actually China has more risks inside cause of trade war with USA i think china will no last longer....Samsung is main supplier of important parts to Apple and even for cheap low end Chinese companies too. Competition with Chinese companies? Hahaha...you made me laugh! Did you know that Google is paying 4 billion dollars a year to Samsung for setup their search engine in the galaxy phones? Get a life!
HOWEVER, samsung is just much, MUCH bigger as a company. this sort of thing was the stuff sony was trying to do with a wammy of playstation-phones-tv intergration that failed cause of internal issues. if samsung avoids the pitfalls already made by sony...
That vertical integration viewpoint was interesting, I never thought about it like that, and I also never thought about how that's exactly what apple has done and why both parties want this so bad.
Samsung pay vs Android pay is worth mentioning too !
We need an update on this topic
They are team up now, they have add google newsfeed.
DYK?
that samsung has
a military department
yeah Samsung has galaxy note 7.
@@anoddtod5711 yeah but does google have an ai city, do they have tanks, are they the biggest smartphone seller in the world? Did they built the Burj Khalifa and another tower in Singapore (i think)
@@sagittariusa1304 Malaysia not Singapore ( twin towers )
@@anoddtod5711 is Google the biggest ship makers in the world no
This is my Altar.
perhaps that's why no recent Nexus device was built by Samsung.
I'm really enjoying your videos because you actually look at how the tech industry results in the tech products we get. Way too many alleged experts just regurgitate press releases and have no foresight or understanding.
Samsung, I dare you to stop using Android, You know you will fuck up
sergio ulloa yea cos they are gonna listen
sergio ulloa they aren't stupid. of course they won't....
I agree with you. The only reason, the parent reason, that windows mobile is not so popular, is because there are not that many big name products on there. So people won't build apps, and less people will buy. So if Samsung moves, windows will experience a boom, and thousands of people will build apps, and android, will be 2nd place.
Chris Nuñez but let's not forget the biggest appeal of android is the freedom it offers the user and the developer. If only Samsung moved to Microsoft then Microsoft will receive a big boost but not enough to overtake Android since android is on so many other big phones like Huawei, LG and Xiaomi which some of Samsungs biggest competitors. Unless those companies make a switch to Microsoft, Android will still dominate the market.
As long as ppl want Samsung to keep using Android, Samsung will use Android. Also why would Samsung listen to a nobody like you anyway?
That's why Microsoft is still giving away Windows 10.
This EXPLANATION is Sooooo good! Hey Tech Altar, the way you explain in the video is very good. Everything becomes clear at one go. All the Modules cooperating with your voice fits so nicely. I always wondered why Google would want Samsung's dominance to come down. I have had this doubt ever since I learnt and heard about Google Pixel. But now, a LOT of things become clear. Now I understand why Samsung has been making every single app that Google has for us already.
Nice video but I'm surprised that you said Samsung would prefer a smaller business than be more closely aligned with Google. Samsung is in fact bigger than Google and Microsoft.....combined! And as a total corporate entity are far larger than Apple. I believe Samsungs long term plan will be to ditch Google entirely and with about 25% of the total mobile market and over 35% of the Android market including tablets, this is something Google are extremely afraid of, hence Pixel (which hasn't been a success) hence Daydream following Gear VR, but now with Gear VR having a substantial ecosystem and hundreds of excellent apps, Daydream has a lot of catching up to do. I think Samsung are on the right path for themselves, they are the strongest corporate body in the technology business, both profits and sales are growing rapidly and this year for the first time, Samsung individual shares are more valuable than Apple. If I was Google I'd be shaking in my boots as one day there will be a total move away from Android with its severe and worsening fragmentation problem. There are so many advantages for Samsung to break the bond with Android, when it's ready to do so, which will happen.
Brian M yep, you are right my friend. Samsung has been using android since the first of its kind, and honestly has grown up since then, and they may even build their own software better than android. I could be totally wrong, but it sounds like that's what is going to happen.
Now google is fixing its fragmentation problem by implementing project treble which makes you install aosp with almost no problem to any treble supported device and also with their seemless update feature, manufacturers can update their own custom android even without updating its vendor(manufacturers of the phone's parts) specific drivers so they dont need to wait for the vendor to update update their drivers. Now most security updates takes like only 3wks late when its first released by google(well in the case of huawei)....
Ya right samsung is way bigger it hes even a military side
I think that if Samsung does actually come up with their own OS, Google will most probably not support it (no UA-cam app, no Drive app, etc…) just like what they did with Microsoft phones which will be a big problem for Samsung since most people these days depend on Google services. On the other hand, Samsung could overcome this problem with their current partners (Facebook for a video service & Microsoft for cloud & office services) which may or may not work.
@@LastStopGaming probably s ui is gonna be made into an os xD
So Samsung wants to be Apple but just on more electronics. Since they want to push Tizen, I doubt they would share it with others like google does with android and wants to it only on their devices like iOS or macOS for Apple. The only difference is Samsung has more devices of a lot of categories. While google just doesn't want to be left in the dust if Samsung leaves them
Tizen is already shared with anyone: www.tizen.org/
Samsung already manufactures a lot of Apples hardware. They don't want to become Apple, they fundamentally OWN Apples ass XD
user10476 I just wish developers would get on board with Tizen
Anonymous One There's LG. LG made the ultra fine 5k display for Apple. Phil Shiller also said they will release a Cinema Display by the end of this year which probably be 5k and LG would probably provide them.
Samsung definitely has the best mobile display's. And as we know Apple bought over 70 million of them for next gen iPhones. I am not saying Apple can get the best without Samsung but. What I AM saying is they have choices unlike Samsung who gets profit if Apple buys their product and doesn't if Apple doesn't buy their products.
Anonymous One Well, lets just hope Apple continues to do so. Because Samsung has the best so both Samsung and consumers win when Apple buys Samsung.
I really enjoy watching your Story behind series. You never fail to give great insights, and I have no doubt that you do your research before posting. High Five!
I thought it was Apple and Samsung that are at war
retrogamer33 same
retrogamer33 When a company is trying to dominate an industry, everyone in that industry is a competitor, and thus are at war with all that pose a threat to them.
Did anyone noticed at 7:15 lg logo it is becoming smaller and smaller!
Asmit Bhantana Lol thought i was the only one 😂😂
Rewatching this now, and with Samsung stepping down of Bixby, I think that Google has the upper hand.
i get how both google and samsung seek to achieve software and hardware domination..
so why would samsung make chromebooks and tablets based on android instead of windows based tablets(considering android on tablets is relatively weak) and why do companies like LG and HTC skin their software so heavily
Please reply. BIG FAN of your work..
Yash Soni samsung made a windows tablet
They do make windows tablets. But they still make the Android ones because they're much cheaper.
Samsung needs to make their own software for their phones
@AlbertNeedSkills were
They're like siblings. They support eachother, yet despise eachother.
To me this just seems bad for the consumer. I like Android and the services offered by google but I cant get the Pixel, because its not available in my country. At the same time i like the Samsung Galaxy line but the UI is horrible and I don't want Bixby shoved in my face. Meanwhile all the other manufacturers don't know whose boat to jump on so every phone seems to have different partners, features, etc. The only one who is stable is Apple and please don't make me go to Apple. Please.
I agree!
Nah. Not really. Android is simple choice 100% of a time. Just go with pixel or HTC. They are top notch devices in some areas (software integration, audio) even better than samsung and equal/close to equal in other. And in my opinion its no war. It would be enough from google to stop updating android to new samsung devices and it would die out (or change OS and die immediatelly)
Sounds like you live in my country!
The Pixel is great and all but I dislike software buttons, they take up screen real-estate plus they are much more annoying to use than hardware ones (In my humble opinion). And i'm sorry but since the M7 HTC is a joke, I had the ONE M7 for 3 years and i loved it but after than HTC just went downhill. I would much rather look at the new G6 or a OnePlus 3T.
I doubt that Samsung would die out if Google were to stop offering updates. The majority of the market does not care for stock Android, or for Android at all. I'm willing to bet that most people won't care what OS they are running as long as they have their apps and some gimmicks that Samsung offers with each version of their Android skin. Now if Google were to drop Google Apps entirely from Samsung phones, that would be very interesting to see.
Anyway, it's just a pointless greedy fight where everyone just wants to prove that they have the bigger stick. Samsung's going to start making toilet paper very soon. Just stick to what you're good at and calm the f**k down.
DreaMworX The HTC 10 is a solid phone.
5:19 *and the google home thingy*
I love your videos!
A tech youtuber, who talk about the business side of the industry!
You have almost mastered that!
Well, then I'm not buying an S8 within the next five years...
? Why is S6 flop?
he's just being a stock-bitch. s6 is a great phone.
I find it odd how suddenly my S5 likes to chew up my battery for almost no reason when my Galaxy Tab 3 can last for days on idle, and even multiple hours when active.
Doze makes no sense on Marshmallow.
The next best thing would be the Galaxy S7 or S7 Active, but my god I cannot stand having a non-removable battery.
I dropped my S6edge plus several (concrete, road, stairs) and the glass is still intact. This I consider a hit :)
That does not mean there isn't room for improvement ;)
I'm not sure the next should be S8 ...
Great to see there is one platform who has already hardware/software/services in one (Apple). Knowing the market strategy of Google and Samsung, I am really hoping for Samsung strategy to delibereren services and operating systems which are guarentee privacy. So Samsung I will be cheering for you.... even consider to adopt your solution over Apple 😉
They are like brothers
They fight but still get along in times
I think Google and Samsung should cooperate to become the cream on the top of the cake (beat other companies mainly apple
Haneef Ali That won't happen.
Strikeandfall true it seems highly unlikely
competition between the bigger brands is better for consumers. If the companies joined together, everything would stagnate as there wouldn't be much incentive from competition to further any technologies. but it would be nicer if they at least had cross compatibility >_
Apple is a thing of the past dude...
At least that's what we'll say in 10 years
Haneef Ali They already did lol
S8 looks pretty good can’t disagree how sleek it looks compared to the pixel
Wow. The story behind is one of the best series on youtube. Keep up the good work.
LOL buahuahauha I love these fights because as a developer's more JOBS AND MONEY FOR ME!!!!!
Samsung Please start supporting Google more!!
Google is way better for everyone in general because Googles services är avalible for everyone in Every platform
No
This was very well explained Martin. Well done on the video
A Google phone compared to a Samsung phone makes it look like a joke because it is. Samsung and apple are the real competitors.
Didn't aged well
Microsoft is becoming the new tech darling while Google is becoming the old Microsoft.
NazmusLabs i disagree on that
NazmusLabs so Microsoft edge is becoming better than google chrome
Lukas Kessler same
No, not at all haha.
Apple made google the giant it is today and they backstabbed them by copying Apple IP to create the knockoffs known as android.
This made Apple cut ties and kick them off the board. Now Google PAYS Apple billions a year to allow them on iOS. LOL!
Samsung should branch into making Explosives for the military, I'm sure they'd blow the competition away.
Great video pal
Really looking forward for more stuff from you
did any one remember that samsung is going to launch its flexible phone at the end of this year??
saurav pandey shit I I am never going to buy s8 I am going to wait for that
Hardware and camera of HTc and LG r best of all
h
himanshu sankhala joke
For camera I have to disappoint you because they use SONY sensors.
your joking is too far from the rest of the world. have you seen good pixel 2 and 2 xl quality built by HTC & LG and how those got critize by jerry rig everything? you should watch it
Their fans take those fights more seriously than apple and samsung themselves
google is installed in samsung
ahaha funny i got samsung phone and google assistant
those video series are great. something much different from the usual tech channels on yt. keep it up 👍
Google is ALWAYS better.
There is a whole mountain called Google.
There is a whole mountain range called SAMSUNG..
Look further .Go deep.
Gpixel was a bigger disappointment than iphone xs max
Sean Lecca Google is evil
I love Samsung and have the galaxy note 8 but Google is the underdog here and i want Google to beat the shit out of Samsung
Rigo Jr I don't think that will happen my friend. Samsung is way ahead of ugly Google pixel phones.
CraftMineThenBuild pixel phones are not ugly they are rather good, and the software is miles better than Samsung's. I have both I use the pixel as my daily, the software is just like butter and the camera is the best in a smartphone.
Lol, pixels are so dang ugly
The content was superb! It's different than the other tech videos and a good deviation from the general reviews. Waiting for more similar videos!
Anyone from 2019?😉
Dude shut up
2021 anyone
Well, Google assistant doesn't work in China so
I've noticed some small scales companies try to merge but when monopoly laws get in the way, but they only do the stuff put up a front
so I guess to fit your example they're not quite ready to see the castle of Apple
UpToDate Fans :D
bring back firefox os
majim and ubuntu touch !!!
Cuzeg Spiked it did, just not long enough..
Pretty nice explaining man. Awesome vid. Keep it up
I have a Xiaomi it came with
Google assistant and chrome and Google search
But also the Microsoft apps
Lmao I deleted em
EDIT: it looks like apple 😂
Why
@@fishburger5368 lol ask Xiaomi
Owning the best smartphone OS won't make a difference because they didn't make it. They just own it.
The only thing that makes android stand while google owning it is the fact that its open source
Thanks for this video, it really makes it so easy to appreciate the differences in these two companies and how or why they work together. Good job at making it easy to understand! The video stands for its simplicity. Please keep making more!
I noticed this on my android phones and have switched to an iPhone. I enjoy having an iPhone as Apple developes everything in house.
...and you're a prisoner in that house.
Kalan Dominick lol the reason why you got your isheep because you dont know how to use Android
Yeah funny thing is Apple buys all its chips from Samsung. Literally it's devices hearts come from Samsung. This is one of many reasons Samsung took over as number one. That's not opinion that now are more profitable and their market share is larger. They are worth more. They sell better in stock market as well. Apple has been going down and down.
well... not really. apple makes its own chips, they are MASTERS at actual chip design for mobile hardware. the raw "specs" are inferior but the hardware is intergrated so well with the actual chips that they preform as well if not better than at least, samsung's flagship bespite being 50% weaker in raw specs.
apple uses other hardware from samsung however.
Samshit users get offended like little kids. user here but I love google and most of its products. True 👑 of Android.
PEOPLE isn't samsung android and google android, so have peace with each other.
Hey man been watching your story behind series; all these videos are top notch and are well researched. I wonder if Samsung is truly trying to leave android, or just making sure that it has a way out.
Google is better than Samsung. Samsung is just a Hardware company. Google does both just like Apple.
So Google should buy Nokia to build dominance...
Vishal Rathour They will actually Nokia will make Android phones with the help of Google, Google just will help license or have things to deal with the PlayStation but Nokia will own the Android market.
Isn't it HMD Global not Nokia anymore?
They don't dominate anymore
Totally agree and i can predict what's going to happen next from your theory. If Samsung want more independence from Google, not just the Samsung App Store, they need to do the way Amazon Fire OS did, fork the AOSP android current version and make it independent from the original source, example, Fire OS was running Ice Cream Sandwich fork for year when google was now using Kitkat and licensing ICS hardware was not possible anymore from google, Fire OS was still manually updating their fork with their own update and patch no more android based while still running a similar ecosystem, like Manjaro forking Arch Linux, making some stuff break if trying to use the other source but can still sideload the same app. So next step would be an independent Touchwiz not using AOSP update anymore for new OS version.
Im a Samsung phone owner, but after watching this video, it had me wondering; What good is Awesome hardware if the software isnt awesome; I'd take Google assistent over Samsung assistent any day. On the otherhand, we tried to get the first pixal when it came out, but it was impossiable to get a hold of, we gave up after 1 year of trying to get one.
J.Cliff Toomey Samsung's internet is better than Google Chome on Android, I personally don't use Google Play Music instead i just use the normal music player
There are some key areas where Samsung has better software than Google. Also Google's messaging apps are a complete mess, so I just default messaging app.
Samsung has Google assistant xD all you need to do is hold the home button.
Nothing beats iMessage
@@rager5600 Why are you here? 😆
Samsung wins, invents curved smartphones and now bendy smartphones.
Ok fine, they mass produced curved phones
Curved screens on the Samsung phones is simply a useless gimmick, bending phones is a whole different story.
Which has no functionality at all, it's just for the looks
SlenderMarc Yes it does have a function. To reduce the size bezels. and let's be honest here even a average consumer will be attracted to a prettier device.
Fuck bendy smartphones! Go huawei
Great video, your analysis is right on point!
Yeah, u missed Apple
Syed Mushaheed no one cares about apple
Syed Mushaheed go away rotten apple
Syed Mushaheed apple is dead bro
Not fanboying but it is really not dead.
Both Samsung and Google want what Apple has. Complete vertical integration, from phone to computer to watch to services. Apple is the North Korea of tech companies, they are extremely authoritarian but strangely completely self reliant.
Samsung is best! Most innovative company.. companies like apple just copies
Lakshya Saini yep. Exactly.
Lakshya Saini i agree and they used Samsung screen for the iPhone x
Well their QLED TVs ain't top notch, LG is catching up on it's game, anyway Samsung is not on the mirror cameras game.
said the person using Google's UA-cam
You do realize Apple bought the OLD screens from Samsung, and not copy it? How ignorant can people be?
I love your videos!! Recently saw you on Android authority! Loved it
1st!
Rushabh Chheda I knew it
Apple > Samsung or Google IMO
Apple < Samsung or Google IMO 😉
VarietyGaming Truer words could have never been said
KollinZTV 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you had me laughting no people like more android
It's like Batman & Joker, with Google being the Batman & Samsung being the Joker. If there's no Joker, there's nothing for the Batman to fight.
Just like I thought, it was clear there was war when Samsung wanted more of the pie by including Samsung pay icon just close to the home button. I keep opening it anytime I want to type my pin.
What r u doing here
godlike presentation. TechAltar, thank you
Informative and insightful video as always!! Keep up the good work man :)
As always great video, so glad that I subscribed to you that one time in hope of more interesting content. It's one of my favorite tech series right now. Very informative and it always seems like you prepared yourself a lot in order to make it. Hope you'll keep up with that attitude and one time maybe you'll be able to make it your daily work if you wish so. :D
Samsung isn't biting the hand that feeds it.
It ripped the entire arm of and is viciously gnawing at it while at the same time begging for more food
tbh this is a bit of that game theory. They both would get better profits if they helped each other out, but one could get massive profits if only one of them went up against their competitors. And honestly this is good. It means better products all around as they compete for the top. And this might be how they actually surpass the competitors that outclass them, by seeing who can get there first.
You missed something important, Samsung has been collaborating with oculus in 2013, even before Facebook's acquisition, and Google haven't got into the vr field until 2014