Is it worth Fixing? Tough Tractor Repairs
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- Опубліковано 17 кві 2021
- Tough repair job today..is it worth fixing? Come along today as we work on the sickle bar mower. I broke it last fall and haven't had time to fix it until now. It's a complex repair, but educational for all! Hope ya'll enjoy! Maschio Sickle Bar Mower: www.agfolks.com/store?q=Fiore (Coupon STONEYRIDGE5)
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Anybody know why he's got a lot of broom straw Growing??? ......... I do
Put some lime down
We have no top soil....and everybody and their mother says "lime...lime...lime...lime" but if ya think about it...and this is from the mouths of other's who engage in regenerative agriculture....running livestock and building soil is what corrects the PH permanently...not putting a dusting of lime...it's a band aid and we're looking for a complete overhaul of the land...keep watching as the broom straw disappears without throwing money on the ground. Cow manure, grazing and urine my brotha! Stick with us....we can't "fix" it in one season...it's gonna take a few years and less $$$$
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer I appreciate you answering.................. but I am in the Hay business.... which requires immediate response to Fertilization.......In order to get the required nutrients in the harvested product..... I have to throw it on the ground...... People even cow and goat people ain't gonna buy Hay with broom straw in it..........If I was as big on You Tube as some folks I could use that to pay my fertilizer and chemical bill......................
It doesn't matter which concept you use soil ph is primary. With out the calcium very little of the other nutrients are going to be beneficial to plants.
Limestone is a natural mineral not chemically produced.
Your hay should pay you and your chemical bill if you're in the hay business right? Fertilizer is a short term pill for a long term problem, robbing the land without putting nutrient back. We spread 3 tons to the acre for 3 years and it made no difference. I now use Solucal and target specific areas of low Ph. if I need it. As for the "big on UA-cam" well....I'll tell you, this is the hardest and most fun way to earn a living that I've ever experienced. You think farming and managing land is tough...add another 50 hours a week and the creativity that it takes to make these vids. It's most certainly not gonna land in your lap, time time and more time. Time is our most valuable commodity, and social media takes up a ton of my time, hence responding to your comment on my Sunday afternoon instead of riding a boat out on the lake or a Harley up in the hills. I'm not selling ya anything, I'm showing ya how I do it. Sit back and enjoy...your spiteful conclusion to your comment is unnecessary
If like most sickle bar mowers the bar is released from pitman pin and slide out the other way (opposite side of mower)...I assume the moving rock guards bar does too...no other disassembly needed. Also mowing rough or rock train, there should be adjustments to roll the bar so the guards lay uphill from direction of travel, to keep the teeth out of the dirt
I am pretty sure you are right, i just bought one and i think it says in the manual you can pull both out from underneath the mower. Also if you break any gear on a rotary mower you have way more work and expenses to replace that gear than if something breaks on the this style....
I grew up on a cattle farm, just retired from a milk dairy after 40 years. We had an International sickle. When we finished with it for the day, Dad would put used motor oil on the blade before we put it in the shed.
When we took any bolts off for a repair, we would always take the bolts in to our shop and clean the treads on a wire wheel on the grinder, it made them go together like new.
Thanks, Emile from CT.
Yep. A wire wheel will work wonders.
I remember helping my dad work on his mower over 45 years ago. Had to work on it about every time he used it.
This one is a little bit different than the old school sickle bar mowers...a little more complex and cuts faster
I am leery of those things. Way back around 1980 while helping change out teeth, and reinstalling, the bar slipped. I had my hand in a bad place. Could've lost a finger but it hung up. Be safe out there!
Josh, I worked for a company years ago where we assembled sickle bar mower assemblies for several oem brands. I've always liked how they cut, but they can be high maintenance, as you have demonstrated. Keeping them lubed is very important.
Josh I am from Missouri. The tall brown grass you have growing in your pasture we call sage grass. My father would have lime put on the fields and it would get rid of it as well as blackberry briars. Makes better pastures and helps the grass that is growing in the pasture. I like your videos and the way you are not afraid to try things to get things done. Keep up the good work.
Heck of a good job on that repair. If you've ever been to an old farmer estate sale you saw and wondered why he had so many parts for countless machines. Like me,when something broke you buy what you need plus a spare: if it broke once it will probably break again and you rarely have days to waste waiting on the part....
Great Video!!!
Born in 1959, I was around 9 or 10 when my Father had me up on the International, Farmall Tractor and Cickle Bar to cut the Hay for the farm. We would put the Hay in loose.
She made a great cut and the field looked nice when the job was complete. However, more than once, we would run into a Hidden Hornets Nest!!! I would raise the Bar and slap her in high gear!!! Lol
As I'm watching your video, and your patience for changing camera angles to give us a better look, and your patience for explaining the little details, like leaving the guards loose until the last one is in. I can't help but think how the heck do 28 people not like the video? Lol, you can't please everyone that's for sure but come on, just your dedication to providing a nice product is enough to earn a like I think. Not to mention, the video is a great guide to anyone tackling this job. Good job as usual Josh.
I learnt a lot watching this Josh. I have a 7' sickle bar thats exactly operates the same way. Mine is a J.D. aftermarket Frontier brand that i got with my tractor in 2018. Your right, they're awesome mowers. The rock guards move in opposite scissor actions as the knives. My mower is in its third summer of use, and "knock on wood" its never been any problems so far. Good video my friend.
The welder that you are, you can weld the two parts back tighter and have and extra bar measure out every thing.
back together.
Nothin like working with your hands to repair your own equipment and turning your land into something special.. As always another awesome video from the Stoney Ridge Farmer.. Woooo 👍
I worked for a small farmer corn/beans 600 acres or so ! While I was in high school in IN , he just had older equipment ! We replaced the cutter bar on the bean head , it was very much like your job here ! I had to replace the I think he called it beater bars on the drum in the combine, very hot nasty job but I goter done !
Yes good job, and using blue treadlock is best for trouble free operation.
I would keep the old bar, and weld it up, then you have a spear.
Excellent mower.
You definitely are smart for laying those parts out in order of removal. The wear patterns of the metal to metal contact would make putting those parts back in order pretty crucial I bet.
I'm not a farmer or a mechanic, but truly enjoy this content & your channel in general. Keep it up Big Dawg.
Bud, i'm 7:30 minutes in and this is a monster of a job, for something that doesn't look like it would be.
What upppppp Josh.We have to try to fix much as we can in the farm if not will be broke.Thank you for sharing
Yep...and if ya aint breaking stuff....you're not working! Right?
My buddy has one from back in the 30s I think possibly 40s and it is far more simpler than the one you have but overall it is still the same principle he still uses it to do his 10 acres
i'm glad you showed this, and it's a good use for an old tractor .
Good luck fixing your sickle bar
I think you need to add a pin punch set to your tool box, Josh. Even a cheapy set from Horrible Fright should be adequate.
Hello Josh, I remember watching my dad, when I was a young boy, sharpen the teeth on his sickle bar mower. If you lay that bar down flat, you can take the drive end apart first and remove the bar without taking it all apart. At least , that's the way I remember him doing it.
Around here it's called brome grass. The ol timers used it make brooms. Just like johnson grass. If cut early enough the cows will eat it in hay form. It's actually native to america. Fescue and kentucky blue grass was brought to america.
Broom sage or broom straw is a little different from actual "Broom Grass" ....both are native species, however Broom grass is nutrient dense..where this stuff is more like cardboard. Now..you are right, if grazed or clipped green it makes good hay, not high quality hay, but good goat and cow hay. Our plan this year is to never let it get to this stage of growth by intensive grazing. Thanks for the great coment!
I have done my share of repairing farm equipment and I have to say the sickle mower is the most challenging. There are so many moving parts and they all have to go on in order. You did a great job. Whoo☺
I would have cleaned those bolts up with a wire wheel. Tap and die set would also help to run the threads, if any damaged, or rusty.
16:59 Be thankful that you weren't also replacing the triangular cutting teeth as well. Grinding off and re-riveting each tooth is a lot of "fun".
Good morning from south-central Kansas I enjoy your repair work, I’m learning a lot enjoying the content and watching your farm grow, have a great week and be safe!
Save your used oil to lubricate things like that so that they won’t rust.
I got both of my sickle bar mowers apart. Massey 31 and 41 dynabalance. Gonna have to turn 2 into 1 kinda deal
Great video. I enjoy the working on stuff videos
If you weld the broken piece back together, you will have a spare in case it happens again 😊.
I thought about that...however...I could just purchase another bar...I have a spare cutter bar
Interesting video Stoneyman sure do enjoy these videos like this
Just replaced the same bar on my frontier sb1107 yesterday. Great video
Hey Josh 🇺🇲 I have had to repair one of those a few times it's work but they cut so good when there working I really enjoyed this video Josh 🇺🇲 WOOOOOO 🇺🇲
I really enjoy the SRF shop maintenance videos. Always learn a lot everytime! Just picked me up a new Rx7320 Kioti (73 HP)! Woooooooooooooooooooooooo
WT Farm girl asked us to give you a big thank you for helping her get the TYM tractor. So THANK YOU STONEY RIDGE!!!
You don’t have to pull the guards. Just loosen them a little, to make sliding the guard bar and cutting bar out and in easier.
Great job sickle bar mower man, and great video showing telling. Thanks for showing now I can fix a sickle bar mower ,I think I can yes see ya next time see ya bye.
That bottom assembly is called a wobble box.
Josh, if you take the dirty bolts to the bench grinder on a wire wheel, they clean up fantastic, TJ
No need to remove the green loctite. ;)
You should weld the old back together and keep it as a spare
A friend of mine uses a sickle mower to cut hay with. Seems to work extremely well and they don't lose as much of the alfalfa leaves like they would with a swather. I can't remember what tractor they use, its an old John Deere 3 wheel tractor, probably 50 years old or older. Their hay baler is so old it has its own engine, pull it behind the tractor but no PTO, it has I think an 8HP Wisconsin engine on it. You can add a PTO to it as it looks like there's bolts on the flywheel where you could bolt on a PTO, but for some reason they run it with its own engine, I'd think the tractor would be able to run the baler but maybe not enough PTO horsepower I'm guessing as to why they don't run it with the PTO.
Yes, its worth fixen. A new one cost lots. Great clip. I remember my dad using them on his farm. Those things can be dangerous...
Another case of US and UK speaking the same language - but differently - what you call a "Spring Pin" we call a "Roll Pin" in the UK. I do admire your tenacity though 😹
Oh man... I was just thinking about having to check mine too before hsy season 😩
It's funny that if you had to break something, that it was the deepest buried part on the machine. 3 + hours for a simple remove and replace. The life of a rancher.
They sold a nice D17 Allis Chalmers with a side sickle bar setup yesterday....really cool rig! Likin' your 240 more and more 👍
From all of your tractors this is my favourite
Had one to the pitmanrod was the biggest problem I had with it. Better to break it than other parts
I'm sorry for the lime comment. Our family farm was hay for so long that it.got were it would not even grow sage grass and it took forever to get it back were it would grow anything at all . A lot of time and money 💰 to.get back up to were it's at now good luck to you on your projects to come
Ah...no biggie man..I pinned it because it gives others a chance to talk about it. I know it's a Ph issue for sure...but I'm trying something a bit different from conventional farming practice...we shall see how it pays off lol
Josh , Can you weld broken bar to use in an emergency ?
Yes you can
Wonder why they couldn't make a two piece design with a sheer bolt?
I'm not so sure you'd wanna get on and off the tractor to fix a sheer bolt every 10 mins ....this thing is tough as nails...but when ya hit a rock as ur turning around...it has to give somewhere...this was my fault...I just didn't see the rock
We used to have sickle mower my neighbor using to cut all of his hay to cut hay he have about 70 bales
New sub here, might be binge watching today !
Welcome aboard!
Hi.... Thank you 🎥👍👍👍
On mine we just take it loose there at the bearing and pull it out that way. But mines different and only the cutter move on it.
Hey Josh, good job on the sickle bar mower. I'd do what a few have already suggested instead of running the dirty bolts in/out of their threaded holes.
Soak in kerosene, or in Gunk parts cleaner can with internal parts holder - available in most auto parts stores. Good for small carb parts too, etc.
Then wire wheel the threads till clean and brush into the threaded holes the same mixture. Or, if really gunked up, use tap to chase the threads until clean. Then copper anti-seize on bolt threads and blue locktite on any nuts that might vibrate loose.
Your super clean might work on the sliding parts, shims, etc. before dismantling, or after to clean the remaining stationary pieces.
Would you mind linking to your black roll around stool - Craftsman? and the Titan roll around work-tray?
Thanks,
Have a good mow with the sickle bar once completed...
Carter
Nothing beats Never-Seize.
Talk about opening up Pandora's box!
easy just to get a stick welder and weld it up then reinforce the well
LOL Everything is easy when you're watching it bhhahaha
I have used a sickle bar before and I have broken circle bars before but I always had a mechanic to fix them worked for a DPW
Another great video and as farmers do they never throw stuff away that can be fixed they allways fix them and eat the last of what life things would have .I worked on a big farm when I was a lil spit .and things we did didn't make sense at first but did as it went on but till next vid godbless and stay safe
Bud, you ever think about getting a magnetic tray? Makes a world of difference especially with that many small parts
I don’t know that mower, but I think some of that could have been done by pulling the bar out the other direction. Looks odd with both guards and cutters moving, but I bet it cuts well. Question, why didn’t you sharpen the blade sections when you had it that far apart?
Ha Josh and Stone Ridge crew. Nice to see the another interesting video
Great video, loved it. You might want to try out some PB Blaster on those rusty bolts and nuts. It's a great product which I've used for years and have had great results. It will dissolve rust and works as a great parts cleaner as well. Take care and God Bless.
You need a wire wheel On a grinder. It makes it easier
Great video - the music on the parts where you're talking is a bit loud though! Problem is I now want a sickle-bar mower... 'Liked' as usual
A wire wheel on a bench grinder cleans hardware nicely.
Was hear.
Woooo
Be safe
Good stuff buddy
My family in Ohio have several farms, all of them have old broken sickle bar mower lying around somewhere.
You need to look at chasing tap and dies on Amazon much better than hammering bolts thru the threads
All that work and no sharpening the blades? Do they require sharpening for a cleaner cut? I'm new to sickle bar mowers and this video was most informative. Thanks!
Great video Josh
Great video
Great job,done right
A good job well done! Nice job braugh.
Best David
Love to see close detail shot of why you love your cycle bar mower show us how it trims , {Okay now look here see how nicely this cuts} show us how that hummer cuts, if you would.
for example that "cow gone" doggone invasive broom straw. Can you beat reseed cycle of broom straw? just for fun: find remote corner-ish side of farm and get a gallon of vinegar and test try putting vinegar on broom straw root base and see if it kills root ball of the straw where it comes out. Also wondering if seed is traveling in with bales of hay that you're rolling out on land much like we get weeds in compost soil that we amend our gardens with and end up getting invasive weeds like horse tail and butter cup.
Soil needs more lime. Good video.
I've got one on my sears suburban 12 with a broken cutter bar. I've welded it up before but it just didn't last and now from sitting the tarctor won't start (no spark).
lol.. looked like you were throwing gang signs while you were showing how a sickle bar works
Anyway to take it out left side just curious and have and extra cycle bar on hand .just a thought.
Are you able to weld the broken piece?
Are you sure a rock did that? Your issue looks nearly identical to mine . . . But I know my field is rock free, and mine breaks after just 5 acres of cutting 🙁. But I guess you'll find out if it's cutting everything for several acres and no breaking 😉. Kuddos to you for taking it all apart! I just bought a new bar!
yeppers...the combination of a rock, a hard right turn and the mower skipping across the ground....raise this mower when ya turn! It won't break lol
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer well good to know it won't happen again 😊👌
Ford 501 excellent mower less problems and easier to work on
Thats ROCKingham county for you.
i was surprised you didnt sharpen.it while apart
I use to run ih B23 knife mower if you keep the knife tight on the finger / guards it cut like a sowing machine
I have a Tonutii Sickle Bar mower which Im pretty sure is the same as the Gaspardo. I need some odds and ends parts for it. Where do you get your parts from? Thanks for any help you can provide. I enjoyed your videos on the sickle bar mower!
Those impact drivers sure are handy for theses type jobs! Do you mind sharing with me the brand tire you have on that Massey? I have a 245 orchard model that’s going to need tires soon and I like the looks of those you have.
We use Continental Ag tires...they are awesome!
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer thank you!
Where did you get parts for your mower? I have the same mower bought at an auction , have never needed any major parts but just in case .
weld the old plate back together
I had 3h and 1h of service on my, when i had one.
my grandpa had one on the farm.
Should have I C Weld stop over. He could have weld it in place.
I believe you did a lot of unnecessary work. The old sickle bar mowers you would put the bar all the way down and pull the cutter bar out in one piece.. the reason why u see the old ones on hedge rows is because they had to be bolted on the tractor.. 3 point hitch changed all that. Plus the invention of the haybine.. Its all a learning process.. love the channel Josh.
hmmm....well, I had to fix it brotha...and the only way to get it out was to remove all of those parts. So, work about 4 hours and get'r fixed...or park it and let it rust up like all them sickle bar mowers ya see at farm auctions. A $100 part on a $1500 mower....it was fun! Wooooo!
With the bolt on guards everything has to come apart
I would have ground it out with a die grinder and hot glued it with the mig in place . . . If you can slip a piece of aluminum behind the broken parts or put grease begind them it could keep you from welding too many pieces together.
best mower you can get
America is a tough repair job. Is it worth it?
Depends on if you wanna work or just let the government take care of ya right?
Okay, Stoney Ridge Farmer - I'm curious how many times you've had to repair these sickle bars, either the blade bar or the guard bar. I have a Frontier SB3108 which is made by Maschio Gaspardo and is essentially identical. I've had to repair my bars four times now and it is getting ridiculous. One blade bar in 2022, one blade bar in 2023, and two guard bars now in 2023. It's getting to be that I can do a pit stop change on these things. Between the repair time and the cost of parts I'm beginning to think these machines aren't so great. So if you've got secrets on keeping these from breaking, or if you have changed your mind and gotten something different, fill me in.