Travis Rose Well if you pour your soul into something that resonates with millions of people, than of course you want to get what you earned. Just cause you have no talents that anyone gives a shit about doesn’t mean you have to be bitter 🤷🏻♂️
Because most rock stars that Joe interviews are well into their age where actual record sales made them rich, and even now they're still collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from streams. It's the newer indie bands that are getting screwed over the most
7:06 as a north dakotan, this is false, we have a town tower for connection. schedule an appointment and you can climb to the top and have connection for a couple minutes to download things and watch things, I'm about 100 feet in the air right now watching this video and I'm offended
@@justinprovonche8031 I gave someone my snowmobile to have his share of internet for a couple months, going to sell off the internet time for a new sled
@Fishheadmandible They probably would if it's a 360 deal. Which is what a lot of them do now. Basically, we'll help you a little bit, but we'll take basically everything, see your payment is popularity and fame. This is legitimately how they see it. Exposure is your payment.
@@gallectee6032 There’s no touring though. So artists have to be almost 100% reliant on merchandise sales right now. Why be a musician when you could just start a T-shirt company and not have to give a major label 65c on the dollar?
@@HeardItOnTheX Because who's gonna buy your shirt unless you're a musician? That's why record labels can keep screwing people because they know they can (in most cases) gate keep people from the masses & in-turn money.
What nobody ever talks about is how much of the streaming revenue is the LABEL keeping. You don't hear small indie artists complaining about how much streaming doesn't pay.
morpheus kazaa and limewire are the only three i used in that order hahaha gawd that shit was awesome. everyone never mentions morpheus cuz it’s so unknown. it’s cool to see someone cool who knows about that one
Copyright is completely broken and getting worse and more corrupt as time goes on. It needs to be addressed but the the giant media companies who really benefit from how they've engineered it are going to put up a terrible shit-fit over attempts to reform it.
@IAF MB how are they abusing the copyright system to screw the artist over? What artists? What was in the contract the artist signed? Are you guessing?
I think he just meant from a financial perspective. Pay a small monthly/yearly fee for almost ALL music ever made or pay that same monthly fee amount for a single album at a time. I still buy CDs of bands that I really love and want to support. Having the physical media is really nice sometimes. The best part of owning physical media is that a company can't remove the cd from your possession the way they sometimes remove songs/albums from streaming sites.
Yeah fuck that, i love cds. And besides, my car only plays cds so unless i want to listen to the radio (and 80 percent of the time i dont) i listen to my cds.
The Mayor that’s really not saying much though, who the hell is buying CDs? Boomers that still have a 12 disc changer in the trunk of the 1995 Mercedes SL500? lol
@@noahziegler3478 People who like the artists they listen, audiophiles who care about music quality, basically just people who give a shit about music.
@@navmanshack1579 It's not about convenience. It's about discovering artists who he then might see in concert, buy merch, buy their record on vinyl. In the pre Spotify world, he wouldn't have purchased these artists CDs because he wouldn't know they existed.
Spotify is has its flaws but it has made music more accessible to consumers for cheap (at least where I'm from). We haven't illegally downloaded our music since.
I agree, I used to feel guilty when I was younger for all the music I used to steal lol, I knew it was wrong but after I had a big CD collection stolen I justified it to myself. I use spotify more than any other service at this point despite its flaws, and I've found a lot of smaller artists because of it.
@@Rick.Gonzalez The record companies fuck over the artists. Didn't Everlast say he made bank on Spotify since he owned his masters? The alternative is pulling everything from streaming services but that will just lead people back to illegaly downloading music instead. The best option would be for the artists to stand up against the record companies rather than the streaming services and ask them "Where the hell is my money".
I love the art as well, but there are enough things I do to fk up the planet, so I've given up buying hard copies of digital media. If they switch to all bioplastics and renewable paper sources I'm more than happy to go back. Everyone has choices to make, but why not make the easy changes where you can?
@@Prototyp3m1nd i read an enviromental study earlier this year that estimated that CDs and streaming services have the same enviromental impact. Spotify and other services have such a high and constant power usage and ofc they have to build and maintain giant server farms that are not good for the enviroment.
Even though I don't buy CD's anymore, I agree. There was something special about buying the physical copy, taking it home, put it in the player and sit down to look at the artwork and notes and read the lyrics as the song was playing. It was much more personal and I like that it required an effort on the part of the listener.
When you've grown up making tape recordings of songs you've heard on the radio, and copying tapes, making your own mix tapes, etc... once MP3's came along it just felt like the same thing only easier.
I'd argue that it's both. Sure Spotify is convenient, but the fact is is it screws over musicians, particularly less famous ones. Record labels have been screwing musicians over since time immemorial so that's no surprise.
You only have to listen to a song for 30 seconds for the artists to get paid on Spotify. That's why rappers nowadays only make 2 minute songs as oppose to rappers in the 90's having 3 verses.
Nah, they don’t think about government solving or creating problem. They think about sitting in a car and lip sync to some shitty mumble rap while making a snap video. And it’s all shallow shit.
I stream The Black Keys every. single. day. Thank you for Spotify for the FACT I listen to these guys. I would PAY The Black Keys right now!! But how? I buy their Tickets when they play in Cleveland. 330
@@md-nv4rg The record label they're with would probably still get most of the proceeds if you buy the physical record. Seeing them live is the way to go. You support them and get get a good time out of it!
They weren't talking about going 'pop.' They were talking about music they had already produced being shopped to top 40 radio, not any sort of altering of their sound, or the kind of music they'd play. I think Joe's right on this one but I understand the paranoia of the guys. But as long as they stay true to the kind of music they want to make, they'll be fine in the eyes of people who really love their music.
I'm 25 and i have 1400 songs on my phone. 95% of it is from CD's. The case, the artwork, the booklet, the look of the CD. Some artist put a lot of work into this piece AND I own it forever. Internet fall. I still have my music.
Mikhael Ethier yup brother I am with you on that. My phone is full too but I don’t get the artwork and e-book anymore. I am 50 and after finally getting all my music on CD (it was all cassette when was in college) I just can’t see buying the digital copy. I just rip in to my phone from iTunes. Also iTunes has a killer streaming service that is a flat $10 / month and I can download all the stuff I want.
Raytheon Orion I wish I could say I have my collection on vinyl but I only buy the album that really blow my mind. At 50 I have so many CDs and records (although mostly CDs). My sons are just getting to that age that they are starting to appreciate music so that is really my ultimate job to steer and educate and get to relive some of my youth chaperoning them at concerts.
Theres definitely a benefit to having physical copies of things. Like cd's, books and photos. Its really a shame photos have went away. No one is ever gonna keep their phone -photo collections 30-40 years from now. And even so, its just different. Scrolling thru 1,000 photos on a phone one at a time isnt the same as having a photo album full of real pictures u can look at and have forever
mIRC channels for l33t individuals. SoulSeek. So many peer-to-peer platforms came after napster. I don't do that anymore. Once you understand what it means to work for something and get screwed afterwards, you tend to have respect for the artist and you pay for their services. However, streaming services do keep many potential pirates at bay.
I got to disagree with him on being an idiot to buy a physical CD. A physical copy is tangible. I can sell it or let a friend borrow it and I actually OWN it. You do not actually OWN the digital copies you buy through iTunes or Google. Not too long ago people were finding movies they bought on iTunes were deleted from their library when Apple stopped hosting the movies on their platform.
Buying the cd/vinyl/cassette of you favourite music is the best carbon capture technology we have. Streaming and downloading are unsustainable.theconversation.com/music-streaming-has-a-far-worse-carbon-footprint-than-the-heyday-of-records-and-cds-new-findings-114944
Edwin Ortiz but it’s not the same sound quality unless HD and there is very few (in the scheme of things) HD digital files. The average CD sound quality is superior to the average download
@@husq2100 not true i can write hd quality cd. Drm is one reason streaming services want to have ownership not you. The i tunes thing is very real early warning sign of things coming. All digital media means you own nothing unless its a pirate copy.
@@ledzeppelinfan1001 Even up to the 1990's and 2000's. Metallica put on a free show in the parking lot of the Spectrum (aka the Wells Fargo Center, aka the Wachovia Center, aka the CoreStates Center etc etc) in Philly back in '97. U2 did one back in 1998 in Belfast, NI. Pearl Jam's "Drop In The Park" concert from Seattle in '92 was free (I think several more have been played since then). Michael Jackson held one in Brunei on the 1996 HIStory Tour (known as the "Royal Concert"). Van Halen in Dallas, TX, along with the "Monsters Of Rock" festival in Moscow featuring AC/DC, Pantera, Metallica, Motley Crue, The Black Crowes, both in 1991. Etc. etc. Then of course you had Live 8 in 2005; the Rolling Stones played Rio in 2006; I know Aerosmith did one a few years ago in Boston, but before I go any further, I'm sure you've all noticed a pattern here: these bands/artists that have been listed are all basically small multi-million dollar corporations/empires. I guess the point is that if you can play a free show, it means you can afford to. Especially after having one, if not several, RIAA certified records under your belt.
@Masster Gunnz Bro no one thinks Joe Rogan is regular joe, he is a normal dude thats smart and built his buisness to what it is right now. He was sick of youtube as we all are and getting demonitized and this way he will probably get more freedom and a 100 mil dollars and someone will finally put some fear into YT and their shit.
Faisal Khan no we dont. Im just happy the dude got his money. He deserves it, he changed the game, he seems like a good dude and im glad its him and not someone else. Someone would get the money one way or another.
We need to keep buying physical media copies like cds and blu-ray. When you buy a song or record online, that purchase can dissappear. It's not permanent. If you love it, get the disc
@@liltree8382 you are missing his point. He didnt express what he meant very well, but when you buy physical copies, your support for the artist's you enjoy a little bit more
Streaming and iTunes and such may be bad for popular music, but they’re amazing for classical music, because there isn’t this whole industry around it with executives and account managers and promoters. The original gramophone hurt classical music and helped popular music, because up to that point, all music was experienced live. Now it’s ironic that new music technologies may be reversing this trend of the last 100-150 years.
Did everyone forget about Bandcamp ? It's one of the fairest platforms out there and it's artist driven. Buy digital or vinyl/CD/Tape. Get digital access on all purchases added to your account. Profit split DIRECTLY to the artists / labels and you aren't trapped in the bullshit streaming platforms net that sends all it's money to shareholders while labels and publishers make sure Big Name artists get paid fuck tons while small artists, like the guy said, get stiffed with a few hundred $ a year for thousands of plays which SHOULD be thousands of PURCHASES. Music industry hasn't changed that much outside of digital streaming... Major labels still fuck everyone over until you make it BIG and control every other traditional delivery services like cable music channels and radio and award shows where exposure is needed to expand your fanbase. Plus now record labels want / take a cut of your touring merch and ticket sales. Major labels haven't broken a new style of music or the artists that make it since the late 80's.
thought I was the only person who uses bandcamp, but be quiet don't tell anyone else about it currently the only platform besides soundcloud that youtube and facebook algorithm doesn't pick up copyright. Basically if everyone starts using bandcamp the copyright would ruin that too eventually. As a dancer it's our job to dance to copyrighted music and we can't even upload videos with music in the background because of copyright bs so finding music that isn't copyrighted or findind other ways around copyright is the only option we have. Copyright will put dancers out of business soon even though it should be fair use under creative commons law that allows a dancer to use the music for fair use.
There is a huge difference between vinyl not being pressed up because of the small profit margins involved in selling fucking vinyl and burning CDs. I've not seen a CD being played in any of my friends car much less my own for years. There is market for CDs but it's small. It's dying out just like cassettes.
As someone who’s in a few bands and that also makes my own music it’s just something you’ve got to accept. Piracy/Streaming definitely hit the music industry hard when it started but at this point any artistic endeavour is tricky to make much money from due to the internet. (Obvs the internet helps small fry’s promote cheaply/independently) From a couple of thousand streams you make nothing worthy of mention. However, as other people have said. If you want to support the artist, going to a gig and buying some merch is the only way anyone (that isn’t huge) is making real money. Another point: Aside from t-shirts etc. people still like something physical to hold. So although big artists and labels aren’t making much off CD’s anymore, my experience has been that CD’s/Vinyl are a valid way to make money (within the context of merch at a gig).
Hit the gym, load up on 15+ years of testosterone injections, kill every other major organ in your body for a false sense of feeling youthful. Die in 10 years.....profit?
@@lucrative6477 well, is that what working out seems like to you? Have you ever tried it? You really sound like an entitled little piece of shit trying to use projection as a device to justify your own mediocrity. Cheers mate!
I want artists to have food and shelter for their family. That's why I never go angry if my favorite indie bands publish something just to have decent living.
@BeGood 2Me plus music has been part of the human culture for thousands of years. It has only become a strictly monetized business in the last hundred years. Maybe it shouldn't be.
Music industry deserved what they got! How can you justify a $30 music CD when I can buy a movie for $20 that cost 100 million to make. You ripped us off for years and that’s what you earned... just like block buster!
Everyone feels this way. People just get mad when bands change their music in an obvious way to achieve more mainstream success in order to achieve those financial goals.
@@DuskDismantled1 Only problem with artists who "make it", is that for a lot of them, it makes them lose their drive. Often an artist needs the struggle, something that will push them to be creative and create their art. The part that makes you go "I'll show them", but that's also what makes for a good comeback :)
CD's are still the highest quality music you can buy actually in 2021. When you stream/download music from online it is compressed into lower quality mp4 format. With studio surround sound speakers you can really tell the difference with certain genres of music.
@@teehee186 oh yeah. I'm a DJ-a straight up CD or WAV file or something hits a big PA system or a good set of monitors a lot better than even a 320kbps mp3 file. Not a huge difference, but on big ass speakers cranked up to maximum volume you definitely notice.
if you want to support those bands, then go to their shows, buy their merch. There are only a few things that the labels didn't get their paws in (and it changes every year).
He's right, streaming hurt iTunes sales so they created Apple Music to keep up. Netflix and Hulu hurt iTunes video purchases so they just created TV Plus, just what happens with tech advancements.
Love joe, but he doesn’t seem to understand the whole sell out phenomenon with “alternative” types of music. As an indie band you might maintain a loyal fan base that sticks with you regardless of pop trends, but if you go mainstream you may have great success for a while until that fad / pop genre ends, meanwhile your loyal fan base has abandoned you for being a “sell out” and the mainstream fans have moved on to the next big thing.
That’s evidently what’s happening to hip hop Rn and that’s so sad to see it’s such an amazing n unique genre that I hope sum sort of movement comes and pushes it farther than what it is now It’s too much pop rap artist coming out and jus really making it seem like the new unauthentic pop in a way
I think they’re a bit in denial though. Like the black keys blew up and received pretty widespread play. Gold on true ceiling, tighten up etc. are well known songs even to pop listeners. I’m sure their concerts draw pretty mixed crowd with people who are just there cause they recognize the name and a couple of songs and then genuine fans. I guess it obviously hasn’t ruined it for them but they’re not hidden whatsoever
Maximum Effort ramones wrote some of the poppiest punk that’s ever been written, and covered the poppiest songs ever written, and then went onto SELLOUT every show they played. but the leather jackets and long hair were pretty edgy for the time so it was all good.
There was a dude on that flip or flop show who also had a lump on his neck spotted on TV by a nurse and it turned out to be cancer, get checked Joe! www.today.com/news/how-hgtv-star-tarek-el-moussas-cancer-spotted-fan-changed-t58226
Call me stuck in the 90's but I still love CDs. Also been a Black Keys fan since seeing them live in 2008 at Minnesota State Fair. They opened for The Black Crowes. Never heard of them before that.
For the last 5 years I've been working on developing an solution for independent artists via a platform I'm building called Musicpher. After all this time I can def tell you that unfortunately successful musicians are the least able to understand the actual economics and advantages of the streaming model, because they have been kept in the dark by all the middle man (or women) that exists between them and their royalties. I know for a fact now, and based on actual data collected all this time from Independent unknown local artists that the streaming model could be super profitable when killing the sharks in the middle. And I'm assuming that the DSPs (Spotify and the rest) have no choice but to keep the silence or lose the major artists controlled by the labels.
Purple Hearts don’t listen to that buzzkill he will most likely settle and is already in 100k+ debt. Why not try to be even more successful than them? You can do anything fam as long as u got a working brain. Keep ya head up king
When the technology is there people are going to use it. Music is no longer confined to a physical format. That's why I gave up my music career. I would not handle getting screwed like the musicians today are getting screwed.
6:50 Unless you like the physicality of CD's. I think there's something more satisfying about having something tangible. It helps you appreciate your collection and the work that went into the music and artwork, etc. But this is coming from a guy that doesn't listen to a ton of bands. I suppose if your goal is to constantly look for new things to listen to CD's could be overwhelming.
"some artists say: once you reach a crowd of 500 people, there will be assholes in the crowd! I know that's bullshit, because I played for 20 people and there already were like 10 assholes!"
Wow this guy figured out how it works the hard way, much love to him for explaining the traps in this business. I'd like to know if this same thing is going on with the spinnup company distributing your music to streaming sites.
I played drums in a swamp metal band, we uploaded our stuff on Spotify. We didn't get tons of streams but, never saw a royalty check. I had friends that bought our CD. We didn't go far with lots of streams like I said but to me, the whole process gets confusing when it comes to publishing. So much paperwork to be an independant band. I wish we'd known who to contact for a tour, we were definitively ready. I was finding that there was no readily available blueprint to get ourselves out there. The more you know...
Faceless ya its usually if im in a random record store and i see a used CD of an album i like for cheap, ill buy it cause i like to have that fold out artwork. i just think its neat.
CD's are still a great medium, especially if we are talking about small labels and independent artists. 44k16bit file is quite good, and pretty much the closest to what the artist and mix/mastering engineers intended to be heard. Also the artwork and packaging is a great size. Vinyl is cool if the music was tracked to tape. Most music since the 90s was not.
If I remember correctly a modern high res digital recording(in the studio) converted into vinyl is more accurate compared to pre 90s vinyls. But honestly that doesn't even matter. Vinyl for fans in my opinion is superior simply because the packages hold more bang for buck in terms of cover images and other art.
I'd like to thank Kazaa Lite, DC++ and especially Soulseek for allowing me to grow up discovering music without limits (other than sound quality, of course). Piracy is the only reason why I know about so many artists and buy lots of CDs/LPs now, as an adult, when I actually have money to do so.
Remember that indie Radiohead release? Straight to the website, straight to the consumer. I feel like young artists aren't aware of how powerful they are. That dude who made The Room movie got on one of the most important billboards and people think they cant get that on their own. Even if you don't have thousands to spend on stuff that big you can still cater to that small town fan base. There are thousands of people who prefer to only support artists that are really about it and are out there hustling. There's so many little tricks artists are overlooking.
I totally get Patrick’s point about CDs and where the money is at in the industry, but I still think there will always be a market for physical media like CDs and vinyl. I grew up with vinyl, and then like most folks my age moved on to cassettes, CDs, iPod/MP3 and eventually steaming services. For me, there is just something with physical media that a stream or digital file can never fully replace. I guess the primary reason is that I want to own the music that means a lot to me. I take great pleasure in curating my music collection (mostly vinyl with some CDs), much like some folks collect books, comic books and art. I know I can technically “own” digital music that lives in cloud storage or on streaming services, but it just doesn’t feel the same to me. I love discovering albums that have a deep impact on me, and deciding which ones to purchase, take care of and store properly makes me feel more connected to each album. If someone comes to my house, they might look through my collection to see what kind of music I’m into, and I get a kick out of that. No one gives a crap about my online playlists, and pressing play on my phone doesn’t provide the tactile feel of taking a record carefully out of the sleeve, cueing it up and then sitting back and listening to at least one side of the album. I get how that’s not important to a lot of people. Not everyone is into curating collections or taking care of records. The other aspect that I think is missing from the streaming services and digital files is the creativity involved with the packaging for physical media. I have some beautiful gatefold albums that I treat like works of art. Being able to look at the front and back of the outer sleeve, the design of the inserts or inner sleeves in some cases, and even the label on the records themselves...are all part of the creative vision that band and record label worked on. Yes those same images can be included with a purely digital distribution, but it’s just not the same for me. I want art that physically exists in front of me, and isn’t just 0s and 1s. I still subscribe to multiple streaming services, and I stream music all the time for the sake of convenience or when searching for new music that might find its way into my physical collection, but I will never truly abandon physical media and move 100% over to streaming and digital files. By the way, I still buy DVDs of my favorite movies, too. Haha! Not trying to start a holy war here, as audio format comments typically do. I’m simply sharing my perspective. Cheers, music fans!
These guys are on point! Napster decimated the industry....Apple resurrected it with iTunes and paid downloads where independent artists could keep 70 percent of their own releases....streaming took everything a monumental step back.
If only there was an automated way for Spotify computers and servers to track "This guy who pays 15 bucks a month listened to these specific artists this month, break up what is left of his payment after our cut, and distribute it to the artists he listened to based on how many plays of each artist he listened to, down to the minimum royalty disbursement of what they are currently getting anyway." It would solve this problem completely. Artists would at least be somewhat getting what is due to them. Hell, if Spotify said "We have a Supporter Membership Tier, where every play yields 2 or 3 cents to the artist, but it will cost you 20 or 25 bucks a month." I would GLADLY pay for that. Include little bonuses to those who pay for the elevated memberships like limited time early listening for yet-to-be-released material, a higher audio quality, a feature that lets you save EQ presets in the streaming app, etc. There are countless ways streaming services can enrich the benefits to the artists, yet they dont fucking do it.
Thats pretty much how youtube premium works. They track your views, split it into minutes viewed and divides your premium dollars to those channels you viewed, based upon minutes viewed per month. Wish this was how the streaming services worked... The problem is that streaming services pay the record companies and they (as has always been the case) shaft the artist. Fuck the record companies!
@@wiseodd thats why you dont work with a record company! Its way way harder and takes longer and requires way more work...but life is better when you own everything.
I've always been someone who wants physical media and I've been downloading MP3's since they first existed in the 90's. I started with cassette tapes, moved onto CD's and recently I've moved over to vinyl. Vinyl lasts longer, for the most part they appreciate in value, and more and more people are starting to collect them, plus I can continue to support the bands I like.
I buy vinyl again for this reason. And most vinyls come with a "free" digital download of the album. So, you still support the artists and get a bad ass vinyl. Nothing will EVER replace the sound of vinyl. I run a headshop and we were playing these fellas before they were ever on a radio or tv. Joe, their sound has definitely changed. But, it is fine to evolve and not have the same exact sound every time. Hell, that's why I hate Coldplay. BUT, these bands need to remember there was a reason their original fans fell in love w their music to begin with. He's right, there is a fine line and being in a Walgreen's radio station when I just seen them on tour in a small venue for this many years in a row, it does something to real fans. At least he's honest.
Should listen to The Arcs, another project Dan did when they took a break for black keys. also no need to place expectations on the creators just enjoy their work for what it is. but these guys have been in the game for a while now so
Nielsen Soundscan used to have a policy when counting sales. Independent stores would register as triple sold vs. every record sold in a chain store. Streaming services need to do this for independent artist royalty rates if anything that is not Top 40 is expected to survive and thrive.
My sister and brother-in-law lived a block over from him back in mid 2000s when they were coming up. they were living in Highland Square in Akron. Cool dude.
As a teenager, file sharing was our way of kinda handing out friends a mix tape that we recorded from the radio, but on our computers. That's. How I was looking at it around y2k
Been a Black Keys fan since 2010.. glad to hear it that Rogan just found out about them. Fantastic music and love the way they engineer that raw authentic sound 🍻🎸
Well actually, Jimm iovine of Interscope records as well as Dr Dre were very freaked out immediately from Napster, and shortly after that iTunes was born from Apple. And that was the first huge place to legally buy music.
I'm one of those weird (usually Gen Xers) who buys my MP3s. I don't like having to be "always connected" to listen to music. So I buy the MP3s (from Amazon or Bandcamp) and copy them from my PC to my MP3 player. That way if my connection craps out or the service yanks the song I can still jam out.
@@MetriKKarMa Yeah, but I don't want Silicon Valley knowing every time I take a shit. I leave my phone at home and check my messages when I get back. Just like with old landline phones up through 2003.
Great conversation and super interesting. Thing that trips me out Joe and crew, all the bottled water. You have a seriously rad studio, water delivery is cheap why not have glasses and mugs with yer logo on em or Onnit or show sponsors. I'm sure it means something to you? Keep up the good fuckin work, daily listener and watcher.
Napster approached the labels with the idea to sell tunes but they were turned down. There's a great doc by Alex Winters on the subject. Can't remember the name of it though.
The streaming revolution must have really helped the software industry - we used to pirate all our computer programs along with the music. Now we pay for our programs, but get our music basically free...
This aged well
IKR 🤣🤣😂🤣😂😂😂😂🤣😂😂
Really well
Why? What happened
@@drowningin joe signed a huge deal with Spotify
Joe has said worse things about spotify back then with other guests haha
Really appreciate Dan's perspective and input on this one.
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Joe has had other rock stars on his podcast and they never explained how Spotify pays the artist as well as this guy did.
Well he's wrong about tidal. They pay the most in royalties.
Unfortunately musicians don't have a lobby.
wah wah wah i wrote a song i need millions. stfu
Travis Rose Well if you pour your soul into something that resonates with millions of people, than of course you want to get what you earned. Just cause you have no talents that anyone gives a shit about doesn’t mean you have to be bitter 🤷🏻♂️
Because most rock stars that Joe interviews are well into their age where actual record sales made them rich, and even now they're still collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from streams. It's the newer indie bands that are getting screwed over the most
Patrick has one of those faces where you can really tell what his mother looks like
Holy crap....this comment is hilariously astute.
Ha ha fucking hell
This might be the funniest YT comment I have ever read
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That's a banger of a joke
7:06 as a north dakotan, this is false, we have a town tower for connection. schedule an appointment and you can climb to the top and have connection for a couple minutes to download things and watch things, I'm about 100 feet in the air right now watching this video and I'm offended
As a fellow North Dakotan I can confirm this is true
Shoutout to Minot. Too bad they just got rid of their movie stores lol
I'm from williston I had to barter a gallon of crude oil for this podcast lol
@@justinprovonche8031 I gave someone my snowmobile to have his share of internet for a couple months, going to sell off the internet time for a new sled
That stretch between Harvey and Velva is actually rough for the internet and phone service.
So it started out free for all, and the artists get nothing.
Now, it costs money for all, and the artists get nothing.
@Fishheadmandible They probably would if it's a 360 deal. Which is what a lot of them do now. Basically, we'll help you a little bit, but we'll take basically everything, see your payment is popularity and fame. This is legitimately how they see it. Exposure is your payment.
@@gallectee6032 There’s no touring though.
So artists have to be almost 100% reliant on merchandise sales right now.
Why be a musician when you could just start a T-shirt company and not have to give a major label 65c on the dollar?
@@HeardItOnTheX Because who's gonna buy your shirt unless you're a musician? That's why record labels can keep screwing people because they know they can (in most cases) gate keep people from the masses & in-turn money.
What nobody ever talks about is how much of the streaming revenue is the LABEL keeping. You don't hear small indie artists complaining about how much streaming doesn't pay.
UA-cam is pissed. They recommended this to me after Joe Rogan said he will go to Spotify 🤣😂
Same
Behold the mighty algorithm!
Remember how taking Napster away didn't matter at all. Who’s in their 30's and remember Kazaa, Limewire and Morpheus hahaha
morpheus kazaa and limewire are the only three i used in that order hahaha gawd that shit was awesome. everyone never mentions morpheus cuz it’s so unknown. it’s cool to see someone cool who knows about that one
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I did not have sexual relations
@@priceless3020 oh nostalgia.
Limewire was horrendous for trojans.
I started my CD collection in 2007, I'm still collecting CDs to this day. I've got a kick-ass hifi system and I can sit and listen to albums for hours
Record companies are the problem. They abuse the copyright system screwing artists over. Musicians need to be paid for their hard work.
Fuck this World Series Shit - Said No Cubs Fan Ever 🤦♂️
Copyright is completely broken and getting worse and more corrupt as time goes on. It needs to be addressed but the the giant media companies who really benefit from how they've engineered it are going to put up a terrible shit-fit over attempts to reform it.
spotify pays artists who have no connection to record companies just as shitty as they do ones on deals. your comment is some fake woke shit
@@Dereliction2 How do you think copyright is completely broken, specifically in reference to music?
@IAF MB how are they abusing the copyright system to screw the artist over? What artists? What was in the contract the artist signed? Are you guessing?
Pat: "You have to be an idiot to buy cds"
Me: Staring at my cd collection
I think he just meant from a financial perspective. Pay a small monthly/yearly fee for almost ALL music ever made or pay that same monthly fee amount for a single album at a time.
I still buy CDs of bands that I really love and want to support. Having the physical media is really nice sometimes. The best part of owning physical media is that a company can't remove the cd from your possession the way they sometimes remove songs/albums from streaming sites.
Yeah fuck that, i love cds. And besides, my car only plays cds so unless i want to listen to the radio (and 80 percent of the time i dont) i listen to my cds.
Pretty sure that translates into a weird compliment. Your an idiot in the best way possible.
@@gejugfeguug5623 same here.
@@gejugfeguug5623 Amen - me too!
Vinyl outsold cd’s last year for the first time in over 30 years
The Mayor that’s really not saying much though, who the hell is buying CDs? Boomers that still have a 12 disc changer in the trunk of the 1995 Mercedes SL500? lol
Bro only 6 CDs sold worldwide last year
@@noahziegler3478 People who like the artists they listen, audiophiles who care about music quality, basically just people who give a shit about music.
@@KabzieMusic well this is just false
@@noahziegler3478 if you want to legit own your music and have everything lossless, cds are still a decent option.
say what you want about spotify, but I wouldn't have discovered like 75% of the artists i listen to if it wasn't for browsing through their catalog.
ekimusman2 that’s good and all, but the issue at hand stretches beyond your convenience
im gonna take my horse to the old time road
@@navmanshack1579 It's not about convenience. It's about discovering artists who he then might see in concert, buy merch, buy their record on vinyl. In the pre Spotify world, he wouldn't have purchased these artists CDs because he wouldn't know they existed.
@Jamie Fordham Deezer, UA-cam, Apple Music...
Same here
Dan Auberach look like he just lost 2 Pints of blood
My man hasn’t slept for at least 10 years
age getting him but he always looked sleep deprived and stuff.
@@Avisae He's literally smoking a joint.
Come on man these are passionate musos
That's not nice , he's playing great music and living his life large so I respect that
Spotify is has its flaws but it has made music more accessible to consumers for cheap (at least where I'm from). We haven't illegally downloaded our music since.
I agree, I used to feel guilty when I was younger for all the music I used to steal lol, I knew it was wrong but after I had a big CD collection stolen I justified it to myself. I use spotify more than any other service at this point despite its flaws, and I've found a lot of smaller artists because of it.
Spotify needs to have a button to tip an artist for a song.
@@str8todamoney brilliant idea
honestly, spotify fucks over the artist in favor of the consumer
@@Rick.Gonzalez The record companies fuck over the artists. Didn't Everlast say he made bank on Spotify since he owned his masters? The alternative is pulling everything from streaming services but that will just lead people back to illegaly downloading music instead. The best option would be for the artists to stand up against the record companies rather than the streaming services and ask them "Where the hell is my money".
I love CDs. I like to read liner notes. I've always loved the album artwork. I appreciate ownership of a tangible item.
I love the art as well, but there are enough things I do to fk up the planet, so I've given up buying hard copies of digital media. If they switch to all bioplastics and renewable paper sources I'm more than happy to go back. Everyone has choices to make, but why not make the easy changes where you can?
The audio quality is better too. Plus, you can re-sell a cd. You can't do that with a digital download.
@@Prototyp3m1nd i read an enviromental study earlier this year that estimated that CDs and streaming services have the same enviromental impact. Spotify and other services have such a high and constant power usage and ofc they have to build and maintain giant server farms that are not good for the enviroment.
Even though I don't buy CD's anymore, I agree. There was something special about buying the physical copy, taking it home, put it in the player and sit down to look at the artwork and notes and read the lyrics as the song was playing. It was much more personal and I like that it required an effort on the part of the listener.
Me too. I'd much rather have a physical copy of an album than some digital download.
When you've grown up making tape recordings of songs you've heard on the radio, and copying tapes, making your own mix tapes, etc... once MP3's came along it just felt like the same thing only easier.
CDs are dying yet they are priced the same. Ridiculous.
what really? some cds these days are like £5 on amazon for me which i think is very cheap
The one ripping you off is the record label, not Spotify.
Federico Scala that’s what it sounded like to me.
I'd argue that it's both. Sure Spotify is convenient, but the fact is is it screws over musicians, particularly less famous ones. Record labels have been screwing musicians over since time immemorial so that's no surprise.
streaming services in fact kill record sales, especially for the musician. it's common sense.... doesn't take a genius to see it.
Spotify has some of the lowest payouts lol I’m an artist and I have about 700,000 streams just on Spotify and I’ve only received around $1,300
@@getasimbe they're just a streaming service, they're not the ones signing artists, go somewhere else if you want lol
Patrick Carney has a great radio voice, he could absolutely have a second career as broadcast presenter whenever the Black Keys breaks up.
Spaztar
Terrestrial radio is done. Patrick is too smart to get into radio.
@@radiowithoutastation9579 And smart enough to get into podcasting
He has a monthly ~1hr music show on Sirius called Sirius Boredom and he plays some pretty cool music on it
Agreed, I could listen to him talk for hours
I wish all musicians were this interesting to listen to.
Billy Corgans interview was damn good as well. Really noticing the guys with a few years behind em are the ones filled with wisdom and balance.
You only have to listen to a song for 30 seconds for the artists to get paid on Spotify. That's why rappers nowadays only make 2 minute songs as oppose to rappers in the 90's having 3 verses.
You're a moron
People that think current rap in 2019 is good are the same people that think the government solves problems instead of creates them.
@@SA-5247 bro shut up with that crap lol
S A not everything is good just like not everyone was good in the 90’s there are plenty of good artist you just have to look past the mainstream ones.
Nah, they don’t think about government solving or creating problem. They think about sitting in a car and lip sync to some shitty mumble rap while making a snap video. And it’s all shallow shit.
I stream The Black Keys every. single. day. Thank you for Spotify for the FACT I listen to these guys. I would PAY The Black Keys right now!! But how? I buy their Tickets when they play in Cleveland. 330
Kevin?
idk buy their records
@@md-nv4rg The record label they're with would probably still get most of the proceeds if you buy the physical record. Seeing them live is the way to go. You support them and get get a good time out of it!
Caleb MacEachern yup
Shows pay bands the best.
McLovin really let himself go, but good points McLovin I hear you.
Joe is wrong, people would be pissed if Black Keys went pop. Music is a fickle sport.
@L F no, they are "rock".
ledzeppelinfan1001 the fuck they are...
@@taylorgang2237 hence the quotes lol
They weren't talking about going 'pop.' They were talking about music they had already produced being shopped to top 40 radio, not any sort of altering of their sound, or the kind of music they'd play. I think Joe's right on this one but I understand the paranoia of the guys. But as long as they stay true to the kind of music they want to make, they'll be fine in the eyes of people who really love their music.
@Jakub Nowak you clearly don't understand that "pop" doesn't just mean popular, it has a musical implication too, DUDE.
There is something about that physical copy and artwork... oh damn I’m showing my age.
I agree. Still though, Id never buy a CD. Vinyl though, perhaps.
I'm 25 and i have 1400 songs on my phone. 95% of it is from CD's. The case, the artwork, the booklet, the look of the CD. Some artist put a lot of work into this piece AND I own it forever. Internet fall. I still have my music.
Mikhael Ethier yup brother I am with you on that. My phone is full too but I don’t get the artwork and e-book anymore. I am 50 and after finally getting all my music on CD (it was all cassette when was in college) I just can’t see buying the digital copy. I just rip in to my phone from iTunes. Also iTunes has a killer streaming service that is a flat $10 / month and I can download all the stuff I want.
Raytheon Orion I wish I could say I have my collection on vinyl but I only buy the album that really blow my mind. At 50 I have so many CDs and records (although mostly CDs). My sons are just getting to that age that they are starting to appreciate music so that is really my ultimate job to steer and educate and get to relive some of my youth chaperoning them at concerts.
Theres definitely a benefit to having physical copies of things. Like cd's, books and photos. Its really a shame photos have went away. No one is ever gonna keep their phone -photo collections 30-40 years from now. And even so, its just different. Scrolling thru 1,000 photos on a phone one at a time isnt the same as having a photo album full of real pictures u can look at and have forever
Who remembers Kazaa or Limewire?
Haha Kazaa! Forgot about that one
My old pc remembers, RIP
Bearshare
mIRC channels for l33t individuals. SoulSeek. So many peer-to-peer platforms came after napster. I don't do that anymore. Once you understand what it means to work for something and get screwed afterwards, you tend to have respect for the artist and you pay for their services. However, streaming services do keep many potential pirates at bay.
yo who remembers morpheus? that shit came out before kazaa. it even had its own chat room feature
I got to disagree with him on being an idiot to buy a physical CD. A physical copy is tangible. I can sell it or let a friend borrow it and I actually OWN it. You do not actually OWN the digital copies you buy through iTunes or Google. Not too long ago people were finding movies they bought on iTunes were deleted from their library when Apple stopped hosting the movies on their platform.
You can literally throw a digital copy on a cd
Buying the cd/vinyl/cassette of you favourite music is the best carbon capture technology we have. Streaming and downloading are unsustainable.theconversation.com/music-streaming-has-a-far-worse-carbon-footprint-than-the-heyday-of-records-and-cds-new-findings-114944
Edwin Ortiz but it’s not the same sound quality unless HD and there is very few (in the scheme of things) HD digital files. The average CD sound quality is superior to the average download
husq2100 that is not true
@@husq2100 not true i can write hd quality cd. Drm is one reason streaming services want to have ownership not you. The i tunes thing is very real early warning sign of things coming. All digital media means you own nothing unless its a pirate copy.
A lot of producers give their music for free, because they make money from shows and merch.
It used to be that if you made enough money off your music you could do free shows and give away merch.
@@HighguyMcfly When was this?
@@Patrik1st 60s to about 80s?
@@ledzeppelinfan1001 Even up to the 1990's and 2000's. Metallica put on a free show in the parking lot of the Spectrum (aka the Wells Fargo Center, aka the Wachovia Center, aka the CoreStates Center etc etc) in Philly back in '97. U2 did one back in 1998 in Belfast, NI. Pearl Jam's "Drop In The Park" concert from Seattle in '92 was free (I think several more have been played since then). Michael Jackson held one in Brunei on the 1996 HIStory Tour (known as the "Royal Concert"). Van Halen in Dallas, TX, along with the "Monsters Of Rock" festival in Moscow featuring AC/DC, Pantera, Metallica, Motley Crue, The Black Crowes, both in 1991. Etc. etc.
Then of course you had Live 8 in 2005; the Rolling Stones played Rio in 2006; I know Aerosmith did one a few years ago in Boston, but before I go any further, I'm sure you've all noticed a pattern here: these bands/artists that have been listed are all basically small multi-million dollar corporations/empires. I guess the point is that if you can play a free show, it means you can afford to. Especially after having one, if not several, RIAA certified records under your belt.
Oof can’t imagine how COVID-19 affected this.
who is here after he announced that spotify deals lmao
Same.
@Masster Gunnz Bro no one thinks Joe Rogan is regular joe, he is a normal dude thats smart and built his buisness to what it is right now. He was sick of youtube as we all are and getting demonitized and this way he will probably get more freedom and a 100 mil dollars and someone will finally put some fear into YT and their shit.
Faisal Khan no we dont. Im just happy the dude got his money. He deserves it, he changed the game, he seems like a good dude and im glad its him and not someone else. Someone would get the money one way or another.
@Faisal Khan what?? He’s never competed in MMA. WTF!
We need to keep buying physical media copies like cds and blu-ray. When you buy a song or record online, that purchase can dissappear. It's not permanent. If you love it, get the disc
mordy2v Hell No what is this the 1970s i rather just search it up
nah, fuck that
@@liltree8382 you are missing his point. He didnt express what he meant very well, but when you buy physical copies, your support for the artist's you enjoy a little bit more
mordy2v That’s why I love records! It sounds better & you learn about the band from the rest of their record!
Boomer
Joe Rogan and The Black keys!?!?!😮
Never thought I'd see the day
He's getting a lot of really cool guests. Worth following!
I think they’ve been on previously ... years ago.
He's been a fan of the black keys for years.
Used to pump them up all the time back in the day
He had dan as a guest years back and in the seventh minute he says he just found out about them ?
Streaming and iTunes and such may be bad for popular music, but they’re amazing for classical music, because there isn’t this whole industry around it with executives and account managers and promoters.
The original gramophone hurt classical music and helped popular music, because up to that point, all music was experienced live.
Now it’s ironic that new music technologies may be reversing this trend of the last 100-150 years.
Super interesting talk. Would love to hear more from these legends. Always good insight into the shady parts of the music biz.
I had Napster on dial up. Free music until I received the phone bill
Did everyone forget about Bandcamp ?
It's one of the fairest platforms out there and it's artist driven.
Buy digital or vinyl/CD/Tape. Get digital access on all purchases added to your account.
Profit split DIRECTLY to the artists / labels and you aren't trapped in the bullshit streaming platforms net that sends all it's money to shareholders while labels and publishers make sure Big Name artists get paid fuck tons while small artists, like the guy said, get stiffed with a few hundred $ a year for thousands of plays which SHOULD be thousands of PURCHASES.
Music industry hasn't changed that much outside of digital streaming...
Major labels still fuck everyone over until you make it BIG and control every other traditional delivery services like cable music channels and radio and award shows where exposure is needed to expand your fanbase.
Plus now record labels want / take a cut of your touring merch and ticket sales.
Major labels haven't broken a new style of music or the artists that make it since the late 80's.
thought I was the only person who uses bandcamp, but be quiet don't tell anyone else about it currently the only platform besides soundcloud that youtube and facebook algorithm doesn't pick up copyright. Basically if everyone starts using bandcamp the copyright would ruin that too eventually. As a dancer it's our job to dance to copyrighted music and we can't even upload videos with music in the background because of copyright bs so finding music that isn't copyrighted or findind other ways around copyright is the only option we have. Copyright will put dancers out of business soon even though it should be fair use under creative commons law that allows a dancer to use the music for fair use.
@TheRealMrMcCoy shhh it's a secret
@@GrowingDownUnder Interesting perspective. Honestly in this debate I hadn't even thought about dancers and how it affects them.
best platform for artist and everyone
@@GrowingDownUnder they need a better app and search feature
We don’t need cds in North Dakota 😂 we acquired internet many moons ago!
I would rather have vinyl than poor quality cd/streams
The Natives had 140mbs uploads and downloads for generations, then the Whiteman came, invented Comcast
Darrian Stone i said the same thing😂
There is a huge difference between vinyl not being pressed up because of the small profit margins involved in selling fucking vinyl and burning CDs.
I've not seen a CD being played in any of my friends car much less my own for years.
There is market for CDs but it's small. It's dying out just like cassettes.
As someone who’s in a few bands and that also makes my own music it’s just something you’ve got to accept. Piracy/Streaming definitely hit the music industry hard when it started but at this point any artistic endeavour is tricky to make much money from due to the internet. (Obvs the internet helps small fry’s promote cheaply/independently) From a couple of thousand streams you make nothing worthy of mention. However, as other people have said. If you want to support the artist, going to a gig and buying some merch is the only way anyone (that isn’t huge) is making real money.
Another point: Aside from t-shirts etc. people still like something physical to hold. So although big artists and labels aren’t making much off CD’s anymore, my experience has been that CD’s/Vinyl are a valid way to make money (within the context of merch at a gig).
Makes my wonder why some bands don't just open up a merchandise store and sell stuff full-time.
This dude is 39 and looks 52...joe is 52 and looks 39. Hit the gym people
Joe looks his age
Gyms dont fix genetics
Hit the gym, load up on 15+ years of testosterone injections, kill every other major organ in your body for a false sense of feeling youthful. Die in 10 years.....profit?
@@lucrative6477 Or...just exercise?
@@lucrative6477 well, is that what working out seems like to you? Have you ever tried it? You really sound like an entitled little piece of shit trying to use projection as a device to justify your own mediocrity. Cheers mate!
So if I actually want to support artists, buy merch? Lol.
Buy merch and go to concerts. That's where they see the most $.
Merch, Patreon, Limited Vinyl, Kickstarters, Direct downloads instead of iTunes
@@Unders patreon lol
Yes buy all the merch
These guys are rich. Go watch them live.
I want artists to have food and shelter for their family. That's why I never go angry if my favorite indie bands publish something just to have decent living.
@BeGood 2Me plus music has been part of the human culture for thousands of years. It has only become a strictly monetized business in the last hundred years. Maybe it shouldn't be.
Music industry deserved what they got! How can you justify a $30 music CD when I can buy a movie for $20 that cost 100 million to make. You ripped us off for years and that’s what you earned... just like block buster!
BeGood 2Me
There’s no reason for ANYONE to be a millionaire anymore.
@BeGood 2Me nobody should be a millionaire, it means you/someone has paid to much for the product or service they sell
I miss my CD collection...I drank the Kool-Aid and only realized years later I should kept it all.
I buy albums all the time, sometimes digitally but mostly on cd (which I then rip and upload to google music for listening on the go).
I like when musicians that I like make it big. I want them to achieve their financial goals.
Everyone feels this way. People just get mad when bands change their music in an obvious way to achieve more mainstream success in order to achieve those financial goals.
@@DuskDismantled1 Only problem with artists who "make it", is that for a lot of them, it makes them lose their drive. Often an artist needs the struggle, something that will push them to be creative and create their art. The part that makes you go "I'll show them", but that's also what makes for a good comeback :)
Lime wire and kazaa killed two desktop computers from all the porn I used to download. 😂😂
Morpheus and BearShare
Moral of the story "don't download porn" 🤔
Big bear welding LLC only cuck retards download porn
That's because Limewire was the equivalent to giving your computer AIDS
Ew. Dummy
I buy CDs because, 1. The sound quality and 2. I can keep a hard copy of the album.
I drive an 05 Camry. I need my Cd, thx. Lol
2002 kia here, still can play tapes lol
Get an aftermarket radio lol. I'm rocking one in my '99 Saturn
If it has a cigarette lighter, you can get a Bluetooth adapter and stream music via the fm radio transmitter
Ryan M I’m old school Can’t give up on 💿
chris tupper wack
JRE riding side-saddle with Spotify now. End of an era.
"You have to be an idiot to buy a CD"
Or, you know, you could be a fan who wants to support the bands you like.
I'm happy to be an idiot who still buys cds/vinyl.
CD's are still the highest quality music you can buy actually in 2021.
When you stream/download music from online it is compressed into lower quality mp4 format.
With studio surround sound speakers you can really tell the difference with certain genres of music.
@@teehee186 oh yeah. I'm a DJ-a straight up CD or WAV file or something hits a big PA system or a good set of monitors a lot better than even a 320kbps mp3 file. Not a huge difference, but on big ass speakers cranked up to maximum volume you definitely notice.
@@trevor_mounts_music exactly ! That's what I'm saying.
if you want to support those bands, then go to their shows, buy their merch. There are only a few things that the labels didn't get their paws in (and it changes every year).
Napster was killed by Steve Jobs' iTunes. iTunes was killed by streaming services.
How did streaming kill iTunes when Apple Music and iTunes existed at the same time for years
Apple Music is better than Spotify
He's right, streaming hurt iTunes sales so they created Apple Music to keep up. Netflix and Hulu hurt iTunes video purchases so they just created TV Plus, just what happens with tech advancements.
Video was killed by the radio star. Sad day.
I like buying the Cds for the artwork tbh lol
Love joe, but he doesn’t seem to understand the whole sell out phenomenon with “alternative” types of music. As an indie band you might maintain a loyal fan base that sticks with you regardless of pop trends, but if you go mainstream you may have great success for a while until that fad / pop genre ends, meanwhile your loyal fan base has abandoned you for being a “sell out” and the mainstream fans have moved on to the next big thing.
joes kind of a goddamned meat head with no real sense of up or down but he loves him some good jivetalk ya dig
That’s evidently what’s happening to hip hop Rn and that’s so sad to see it’s such an amazing n unique genre that I hope sum sort of movement comes and pushes it farther than what it is now
It’s too much pop rap artist coming out and jus really making it seem like the new unauthentic pop in a way
I think they’re a bit in denial though. Like the black keys blew up and received pretty widespread play. Gold on true ceiling, tighten up etc. are well known songs even to pop listeners. I’m sure their concerts draw pretty mixed crowd with people who are just there cause they recognize the name and a couple of songs and then genuine fans. I guess it obviously hasn’t ruined it for them but they’re not hidden whatsoever
Maximum Effort ramones wrote some of the poppiest punk that’s ever been written, and covered the poppiest songs ever written, and then went onto SELLOUT every show they played. but the leather jackets and long hair were pretty edgy for the time so it was all good.
Problem with indie rock is its mostly listened to by hipsters who only listens to music because you haven't heard of them
Hey joe. Would u plz check out ur lower neck. It looks swollen. Not seen that before.
Just caring and ya bro✌🙏
There was a dude on that flip or flop show who also had a lump on his neck spotted on TV by a nurse and it turned out to be cancer, get checked Joe!
www.today.com/news/how-hgtv-star-tarek-el-moussas-cancer-spotted-fan-changed-t58226
I can’t stop looking at it
Lol omg
Doubt he reads these but hope Jamie does and brings it up to him
He's just a thick necked corn fed S.O.B lol.
Call me stuck in the 90's but I still love CDs. Also been a Black Keys fan since seeing them live in 2008 at Minnesota State Fair. They opened for The Black Crowes. Never heard of them before that.
who is here after spotify deal
HAHAHHAHA NAILED IT!!! ME TOO!!!
Get these guys on once a year Joe. This was the best episode in years.
Maybe years was an exaggeration, but they were highly engaging.
"the same dudes that were at our first shows with their arms crossed." aaahhhhahahahahaha
For the last 5 years I've been working on developing an solution for independent artists via a platform I'm building called Musicpher. After all this time I can def tell you that unfortunately successful musicians are the least able to understand the actual economics and advantages of the streaming model, because they have been kept in the dark by all the middle man (or women) that exists between them and their royalties. I know for a fact now, and based on actual data collected all this time from Independent unknown local artists that the streaming model could be super profitable when killing the sharks in the middle. And I'm assuming that the DSPs (Spotify and the rest) have no choice but to keep the silence or lose the major artists controlled by the labels.
This guy actually really inspired me. I hope I can reach the success of The Black Keys.
Purple Hearts don’t listen to that buzzkill he will most likely settle and is already in 100k+ debt. Why not try to be even more successful than them? You can do anything fam as long as u got a working brain. Keep ya head up king
I did not have sexual relations with that woman - Bill Clinton ft. Limewire
“I did however log on to WWW. .....” ahhhh the disappointment when your download ended up being this
My favorite song from The Black Keys is “Psychotic Girl”
Everlasting light or set you free, are mine
Heavy Soul
When the technology is there people are going to use it. Music is no longer confined to a physical format. That's why I gave up my music career. I would not handle getting screwed like the musicians today are getting screwed.
These guys have a great perspective on this. Makes me really solidify them as my favorite band
If I'm not mistaken, "Tighten Up" was on top 40 radio.
6:50 Unless you like the physicality of CD's. I think there's something more satisfying about having something tangible. It helps you appreciate your collection and the work that went into the music and artwork, etc. But this is coming from a guy that doesn't listen to a ton of bands. I suppose if your goal is to constantly look for new things to listen to CD's could be overwhelming.
75% of people dont do that bro:(
I'm just trying to defend the minority LOL
4:20 “They don’t have a Macarena-type-shit coming their way” 😂
"The same dudes that were at our first show with there arms crossed"
"some artists say: once you reach a crowd of 500 people, there will be assholes in the crowd!
I know that's bullshit, because I played for 20 people and there already were like 10 assholes!"
Wow this guy figured out how it works the hard way, much love to him for explaining the traps in this business. I'd like to know if this same thing is going on with the spinnup company distributing your music to streaming sites.
I played drums in a swamp metal band, we uploaded our stuff on Spotify. We didn't get tons of streams but, never saw a royalty check. I had friends that bought our CD. We didn't go far with lots of streams like I said but to me, the whole process gets confusing when it comes to publishing. So much paperwork to be an independant band. I wish we'd known who to contact for a tour, we were definitively ready. I was finding that there was no readily available blueprint to get ourselves out there. The more you know...
About hearing your song in Walgreens. I was shocked the day I heard Five Finger Death Punch in a grocery store. It was awesome just to hear it.
I still like buying cds. I like the artwork.
Faceless ya its usually if im in a random record store and i see a used CD of an album i like for cheap, ill buy it cause i like to have that fold out artwork. i just think its neat.
🎶 Heeeyy Joe watchu doing with that mic in your hands 🎶 🎸🎙️
CD's are still a great medium, especially if we are talking about small labels and independent artists.
44k16bit file is quite good, and pretty much the closest to what the artist and mix/mastering engineers intended to be heard.
Also the artwork and packaging is a great size. Vinyl is cool if the music was tracked to tape. Most music since the 90s was not.
If I remember correctly a modern high res digital recording(in the studio) converted into vinyl is more accurate compared to pre 90s vinyls. But honestly that doesn't even matter. Vinyl for fans in my opinion is superior simply because the packages hold more bang for buck in terms of cover images and other art.
I still buy cd's regularly thank you very much. High quality audio is popular and cd provides that!
This is why I try to see the artist’s I care about live and buy their Merch.
I'd like to thank Kazaa Lite, DC++ and especially Soulseek for allowing me to grow up discovering music without limits (other than sound quality, of course). Piracy is the only reason why I know about so many artists and buy lots of CDs/LPs now, as an adult, when I actually have money to do so.
I recently heard Lonely Boy while in line at Rite Aid
waiting for your long ass receipt lol
@@slipnorris5882 lmfao
Joe Rogan needs to have Joe Budden on so we can talk about the value of a stream
joe rogan and joe budden in the same podcast....too much testosterone in one room! they wont be able to handle it!
💯
Never understand why big bands use record labels nowdays
Go Direct, and release it on streaming services
Remember that indie Radiohead release? Straight to the website, straight to the consumer. I feel like young artists aren't aware of how powerful they are. That dude who made The Room movie got on one of the most important billboards and people think they cant get that on their own. Even if you don't have thousands to spend on stuff that big you can still cater to that small town fan base. There are thousands of people who prefer to only support artists that are really about it and are out there hustling. There's so many little tricks artists are overlooking.
I totally get Patrick’s point about CDs and where the money is at in the industry, but I still think there will always be a market for physical media like CDs and vinyl. I grew up with vinyl, and then like most folks my age moved on to cassettes, CDs, iPod/MP3 and eventually steaming services. For me, there is just something with physical media that a stream or digital file can never fully replace. I guess the primary reason is that I want to own the music that means a lot to me. I take great pleasure in curating my music collection (mostly vinyl with some CDs), much like some folks collect books, comic books and art. I know I can technically “own” digital music that lives in cloud storage or on streaming services, but it just doesn’t feel the same to me. I love discovering albums that have a deep impact on me, and deciding which ones to purchase, take care of and store properly makes me feel more connected to each album. If someone comes to my house, they might look through my collection to see what kind of music I’m into, and I get a kick out of that. No one gives a crap about my online playlists, and pressing play on my phone doesn’t provide the tactile feel of taking a record carefully out of the sleeve, cueing it up and then sitting back and listening to at least one side of the album. I get how that’s not important to a lot of people. Not everyone is into curating collections or taking care of records.
The other aspect that I think is missing from the streaming services and digital files is the creativity involved with the packaging for physical media. I have some beautiful gatefold albums that I treat like works of art. Being able to look at the front and back of the outer sleeve, the design of the inserts or inner sleeves in some cases, and even the label on the records themselves...are all part of the creative vision that band and record label worked on. Yes those same images can be included with a purely digital distribution, but it’s just not the same for me. I want art that physically exists in front of me, and isn’t just 0s and 1s. I still subscribe to multiple streaming services, and I stream music all the time for the sake of convenience or when searching for new music that might find its way into my physical collection, but I will never truly abandon physical media and move 100% over to streaming and digital files. By the way, I still buy DVDs of my favorite movies, too. Haha! Not trying to start a holy war here, as audio format comments typically do. I’m simply sharing my perspective. Cheers, music fans!
Man flight of the concords are dope
These guys are on point! Napster decimated the industry....Apple resurrected it with iTunes and paid downloads where independent artists could keep 70 percent of their own releases....streaming took everything a monumental step back.
If only there was an automated way for Spotify computers and servers to track "This guy who pays 15 bucks a month listened to these specific artists this month, break up what is left of his payment after our cut, and distribute it to the artists he listened to based on how many plays of each artist he listened to, down to the minimum royalty disbursement of what they are currently getting anyway." It would solve this problem completely. Artists would at least be somewhat getting what is due to them.
Hell, if Spotify said "We have a Supporter Membership Tier, where every play yields 2 or 3 cents to the artist, but it will cost you 20 or 25 bucks a month." I would GLADLY pay for that. Include little bonuses to those who pay for the elevated memberships like limited time early listening for yet-to-be-released material, a higher audio quality, a feature that lets you save EQ presets in the streaming app, etc.
There are countless ways streaming services can enrich the benefits to the artists, yet they dont fucking do it.
Thats pretty much how youtube premium works. They track your views, split it into minutes viewed and divides your premium dollars to those channels you viewed, based upon minutes viewed per month.
Wish this was how the streaming services worked...
The problem is that streaming services pay the record companies and they (as has always been the case) shaft the artist.
Fuck the record companies!
@@wiseodd thats why you dont work with a record company! Its way way harder and takes longer and requires way more work...but life is better when you own everything.
Hey! Ralph Carrera! I remember him, he was tiger mask. I used to play his shows. Forgot about that guy.
CD's are MUCH BETTER QUALITY than what you get on Spotify. That's real. Until they use a lossless format like FLAC it will never replace a CD.
I think ive seen this before. Did this happen already? Dejavu
Red Panda steven Tyler talked about It
Eternal reoccurrnce. Look up Loop Theory. I thought I'd seen this before, and I have, just not in this life time.
Bro I was thinking the exact same thing...
Michael M 😳
@@87matheo i remember that now thanks
This be hitting different today
This do be hittin differnt tho doesn't it. It's lit right? sorry just flexin my honey mustard makin skillz
Joe Rogan signed with Spotify today
I've always been someone who wants physical media and I've been downloading MP3's since they first existed in the 90's. I started with cassette tapes, moved onto CD's and recently I've moved over to vinyl. Vinyl lasts longer, for the most part they appreciate in value, and more and more people are starting to collect them, plus I can continue to support the bands I like.
Never heard of this guy, but he looks like Mclovin in his 40's
TIL McLovin is a young Bernie Sanders
the first three or four black keys albums are SOLID solid no frills blues rock albums, they dont remake the wheel. but they are great listens.
They make dope shit
lol
I bet you've head their music before. You should check em out.
I buy vinyl again for this reason. And most vinyls come with a "free" digital download of the album. So, you still support the artists and get a bad ass vinyl. Nothing will EVER replace the sound of vinyl.
I run a headshop and we were playing these fellas before they were ever on a radio or tv. Joe, their sound has definitely changed. But, it is fine to evolve and not have the same exact sound every time. Hell, that's why I hate Coldplay. BUT, these bands need to remember there was a reason their original fans fell in love w their music to begin with. He's right, there is a fine line and being in a Walgreen's radio station when I just seen them on tour in a small venue for this many years in a row, it does something to real fans. At least he's honest.
>Happy sigh<
Someone who really gets it !!!!!
Can i give you a hug ?
:D
I didn’t expect the “gold on the ceiling” guy to look like a mid-forties suburban dad named Melvin
Jocelyn Hill 😂😂😂 Gold on the ceiling is my “I’m bout to do some awesome shit today!” Theme song
Should listen to The Arcs, another project Dan did when they took a break for black keys. also no need to place expectations on the creators just enjoy their work for what it is. but these guys have been in the game for a while now so
Nielsen Soundscan used to have a policy when counting sales. Independent stores would register as triple sold vs. every record sold in a chain store. Streaming services need to do this for independent artist royalty rates if anything that is not Top 40 is expected to survive and thrive.
My sister and brother-in-law lived a block over from him back in mid 2000s when they were coming up. they were living in Highland Square in Akron. Cool dude.
As a teenager, file sharing was our way of kinda handing out friends a mix tape that we recorded from the radio, but on our computers. That's. How I was looking at it around y2k
Been a Black Keys fan since 2010.. glad to hear it that Rogan just found out about them. Fantastic music and love the way they engineer that raw authentic sound 🍻🎸
Well actually, Jimm iovine of Interscope records as well as Dr Dre were very freaked out immediately from Napster, and shortly after that iTunes was born from Apple. And that was the first huge place to legally buy music.
yes, music has always been illegal to buy until Apple made it legal...lulz
I'm one of those weird (usually Gen Xers) who buys my MP3s. I don't like having to be "always connected" to listen to music. So I buy the MP3s (from Amazon or Bandcamp) and copy them from my PC to my MP3 player. That way if my connection craps out or the service yanks the song I can still jam out.
@@NathanJennings1222 You do realise you can store music on your phone.
@@MetriKKarMa Yeah, but I don't want Silicon Valley knowing every time I take a shit. I leave my phone at home and check my messages when I get back. Just like with old landline phones up through 2003.
Great conversation and super interesting. Thing that trips me out Joe and crew, all the bottled water. You have a seriously rad studio, water delivery is cheap why not have glasses and mugs with yer logo on em or Onnit or show sponsors. I'm sure it means something to you? Keep up the good fuckin work, daily listener and watcher.
Napster approached the labels with the idea to sell tunes but they were turned down. There's a great doc by Alex Winters on the subject. Can't remember the name of it though.
The streaming revolution must have really helped the software industry - we used to pirate all our computer programs along with the music. Now we pay for our programs, but get our music basically free...