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Komoot phone app for bike navigation
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- Опубліковано 3 вер 2022
- Bike navigation with the Komoot phone app.
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You don’t need 4G or any form of internet connection to use Komoot when out on a ride.. So long as you’ve downloaded the region onto the device you are using and have location services turned ON. Its GPS which does the tracking/locations and not tinternet connection..
I’ve finally committed to Komoot following your videos. Great content, thanks you very much and happy to subscribe!
I (still) don't have a Garmin or Wahoo or something alike, and I only carry my phone with the komoot-app. I do make sure my phone has the route and has the area unlocked. I always return home after a ride. All of this has worked perfectly for me for rides surely till 80km (this method should still work easily till 100km). Yes the battery drains with the screen always on (even with some savings on), up to say 35%. I do know the area, the villages and several roads from memory, so I have a vague idea where I should be (on well-known terrain). But yes, no backup plan. Sometimes on the komoot map it only shows the road, no side street, where I know from memory there should be one. Maybe a no-signal thing, unsure. In any case, I'm super happy planning the route on my big PC screen and then take the phone and just ride it.
Komoot pre-planned routes are great.
I love the community aspect with planned routes by other people. I found some really cool paths thanks to it.
Hi, use and like Komoot. I use an old phone with a smaller display which I can sync with my current phone to obtain the route. I can use this to navigate in a cheap phone holder and add photos as I go along. If I want to make an alteration to the route, I can get my main phone out and consult any app, Google maps, Komoot, mapme, Osm etc use that to guide while still traking on the small phone. That way I end up with an uninterrupted record of the day with photos!
Will point this out for folks, as it caught me out when I first started using Komoot.................. Sending a route to my Wahoo.
To move a route from Komoot to a head unit: You need to have bought the upgrade from Komoot to store routes/maps offline. The world package lets you ride anywhere, unless you just ride close to home this is the one you need IMO.
HTH someone as it took me a while to work out what was going on and why I could not transfer routes.
Hmm I don have a Wahoo so didn’t know this. With a Garmin I can open the route in the Komoot App that sits on the Garmin platform (it’s a free IQ app) and then just copy it into Garmin’s Courses - that’s regardless of whether I have the premium account or not. I don’t use the IQ app on the Garmin to navigate, merely as a transfer. I hadn’t realised Wahoo was so different.
RWGPS is best but I always send my collections once completed to Kamoot for
Others to use .
Great advice!
I love Komoot and it's easy way of planning a trip. I have the app on my phone but as it's an iPhone it often runs low on battery and I have no confidence in being able to use it on a longer trip. After getting lost recently on a cycle route where the signs just ran out when my phone battery was nearly dead, I decided to get a Garmin Edge 530 and have spent time linking it to Komoot. I think both will be the solution as you suggest Simon (and I love my Quadlock mount).
Hence why I always keep a fully charged powerbank in my frame bag
I have used a few different cycling apps over the years. Google Maps, Samsung Health & MapMyRide to name a few. Also use the Quadlock system for my phone mount. But I never really had to worry about lack of power for my phone as I used the same QuadLock system to mount a Solar Battery Bank either to my seat post or to my dandle bars with a cable ziptied to my frame running along side my gear & break cables. I could then remove the battery and attach it and my phone to the QuadLock belt and arm strap mounts.
Excellent video, well produced . I have been playing around a little with Komoot having always used ride with GPS. doing more solo hiking now I think Komoot is an interesting tool and wanted to see some more of the features, so thanks. ride with GPS I find brilliant for suckle route planning
You've nailed it there Gary - using multiple apps is the way to go. On foot, I also like Gaia- the mapping contours are really clear.
I create route on my phone using Kamoot. I save route as GPX and then open it using Garmin Connect as phone gives option for this. I save route in connect and then export it to Garmin device. I then use Garmin head unit for navigation but can use Kamoot on the phone if I need to change anything or need a back up. Obviously you can create on PC using Komoot then open Komoot on your phone then carry on with above process.
Cheers
I've recently just started leaving the Garmin at home and just use Komoot on the phone while I ride. As you say, linking Komoot to the Garmin is tedious and kind of redundant, and the graphics on my phone are far better than what I have on the head unit. It's just one less thing I need to take with me and worry about charging. I've ridden all over my home in Washington State in the US as well as in British Columbia, and so far I've not faced a situation where I couldn't navigate at all because of a poor mobile connection. For reasons I do not quite understand, Komoot seems to work OK if there is any kind of signal; even when I couldn't even make a call on Vancouver Island, Komoot was still able to tell me where I was. If I were a marketing executive at Garmin, I'd be kind of worried.
Slightly off-topic observation: I've noticed that Komoot's route suggestions are not always optimal and sometimes downright misleading or even dangerous, for example claiming that a busy stretch of two-lane highway with no shoulder is actually part of a bike trail network. Have you ever noticed this?
Strava suggested routes have gotten really good... They work well on the phone app... Subscriber only feature I think. I find them a quicker solution for a ride in a new area rather than planning in more detail on a computer.
Hi Mike - it’s good the choice is either Road or Off Road. If you want to pick a quieter touring route there’s not an option I could see.
@@alwaysanotheradventure That's true but the routes tend to be quieter... I assume there generated from the heat maps so popular routes. I like the option to choose hilly or flat. Would still use Koomot for something a bit more adventurous that I wanted to plan out but for a quick suggested route I find Strava easier.
I was on that lovely road by Loch Linnhe on September 6th having just done the final part of the West Highland Way from Kinlochleven on the gravel bike. A problem I have with Kamoot is it sometimes tells me I've finished a route I planned when I know I haven't. This happened to me the previous day whilst riding the loop round Loch Leven, as I knew the area I ignored it and it eventually found the route again.
How odd. Never happened to me - I wonder what’s going on?
@@alwaysanotheradventure seems to happen on circular rides and not linear rides
There's no substitition for using OS maps to plan detailed trips . Os shows all the legal bridleways and non legal footpaths for a bike , as well as forestry tracks .
Recently downloaded NDW cycling route using komoot .
Its a lot of road , have noticed checking the route with an OS map there is a ton of improvements to be made on the route using legal more pleasant bridle routes . There's also forestry tracks on OS as well .
So as a guide I now have komoot on a wahoo bolt . And on my phone I use Outdoor Active (viewranger ) for OS maps , as well as komoot on phones as back up.
I used to take two mobile phones but decided a gps device is better than using your main mobile phone all the time. I bought a second hand mobile phone to use on previous trips which worked well as that phones expendable and used a different sim card company on it for extra mobile redundancy 👍🙂
While I understand the footpath/bridleway distinction, OS is clear there’s no legal status inferred by their maps - ie just because a track is on there as a road does not mean you can use it.
Komoot and all the others are based on
OpenStreetMap which anyone can and should edit if they find errors or new tracks. Ideally they’re used together and compared.
OS maps are very limited in their representation of commonly used tracks in many areas. (ex OS Surveyor here..) In Scotland OS mapping doesn't represent rights of way, as the ROW law is very different. The very poor "Path" symbolisation can indicate just about anything from an ATV track to nothing at all on the ground, and is rarely updated in this Large Scale data. Komoot (and other routing software of any value - uses data from OpenStreetMaps - maintained by the user community and updated regularly). OS maps a great as an overview, but routing - especially offroad/ multisurface is so much better done on Komoot. We have used across Europe to great success too for Gravel/Touring routes.
Ride with GPS for me and synch routes to my Wahoo. The komoot route planner is appalling, however in its favour it does have user POIs (highlights as kommoot call them) and I sometimes look at those when plotting my route on RWGPS
Do you realise Komoot, Ride with GPS and Strava all use exactly the same source data? And if it’s wrong, YOU can change it. It’s all OpenStreetMap, a mapping Wikipedia. I think we all have an obligation to improve it. Explained in this video.
Get better cycle mapping with Open Street Map
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@@alwaysanotheradventure I do indeed, I regularly contribute to open source map. Its not the map source I have issue with its how kommot's route planner works
@@cleggycyclist Yep, I completely agree. I've experimented by plotting my own route and then letting Komoot do it. The results are often hilarious!
@@jonathangreen7111 I know right, it really is shocking how bad it is and yet if you believe the hype on the socials you would think it is the best thing since sliced bread. I will continue to add highlights to komoot maps but definitely not for plotting routes
Ride with GPS for me too. I feel cheated by a Komoot offer that they made look like a deal for their (pricey) premium service but which turned out to be me paying for their world mapping. You could say it was my fault, small print etc. but I felt conned. RwGPS just works - intuitive, nice interface, easy transfer to my Bolt and all that on the free version!
I see someone who likes biking in the rain as I myself do as well.
I had to use my phone today, when I got lost, after taking detours, because of road closures due to a road race, and all the reroutes garmin gave all ended at road closures, but just used garmin maps, because only had about 8 miles before I got to areas I knew. Might give Komoot a try next time,
Actually that’s when I’d probably pull up a good map on the phone or pull out a paper map to work out a route myself rather than leave it to a head unit.
A recent Radio 4 programme was suggesting that there is evidence that human ability to navigate is diminishing due to use of electronic devices. A paper map is more tuned in to our mental picture of the world. It's also a lot cheaper and doesn't run out of battery. No worries about running out of power on multi- day trips.
I’d agree with most of this. As someone who loved mountain marathons and orienteering, paper maps beat many a book.
Hi. Do you use bone conduction headphones? They are great for cycling. You can hear you navigation, calls, music and to be able to hear the surrounding sound as well, so you are safe. They stop the wind going to the ears because of their position and they are waterproof. I will be grateful to hear your opinion. Thanks
Nope never tried them. Always thought they might tangle with my glasses.
To bad my old edge-200 can't do that' I have to manually upload the files to it by hooking it up to my computer.. Ah well, eventually I'll get a new one.
HI Simon - my navigation in the UK is sorted, but looking further afield (Europe etc) I'll need to look at different software. I know you are a big fan of Komoot. HAve you spent any tiime trying "Ride With GPS" - I'd be interested to hear your thoughts ... my initial thoughts is that RWGPS is a bit more "substantial" regards its mapping styles, routing options etc - but I could be wrong ;-)) Steve
Hi Steve, Both use the same source data, so the difference lies in how they interpret and present it. RWGPS shows on-road and off-road, plus it won't route you along something it has been 'told' is not cycleable - but by what type of bike?
That's why I like Komoot - you can specify the type of bike and get a different route. But I totally understand if people prefer the simplicity of RWGPS.
They both appear to make mistakes because their source data is equally flawed.
Then you get to the bells and whistles - from the look of the maps to the way it works out timings. Again that's down to personal preference. I have Premium Komoot, but when I cycled the TNR I took a month's access to Premium RWGPS so I could use both.
Hi Simon,
All in my iPhone with a battery pack as backup works fine for me.
AND
I would like to see the route instructions pop up on my Lock Screen so I know when to continue or unlock the phone for a look at the route.
Can you help me (with an instruction video)?
Thanks for the tip and you're right - turn by turn on the lockscreen would be handy. I'm pretty sure it doesn't do that, so my work-around is to have the volume up and audio on. That way you're told about turns rather than having to look (unless you want to). It also uses less battery.
@@alwaysanotheradventure hi Simon,
It does work!
In the Komoot trip Controls we can choose Notifications, Notifications.
And if we allow Notifications in the phone, then we receive the notifications on the Lock Screen, efficient in energy.
Can you show us this to us in a video?
Will navigation by voice work on JBL GO 3?
Can play music at the same time?
No idea
@@alwaysanotheradventure yes it does
You mentioned head unit quite a lot. Never heard of one. What is it?
You might have given me an idea for a video. It’s the ride computer many people have on their handlebars and usually refer to by brand name ie Garmin or Wahoo.
Don't ALYWAYS have phone signal , paper map as backup.
Agreed William. I barely have one at home in the highlands. There’s a video in the safety playlist about paper maps and how you can effectively get them free
You don't need a phone signal. Navigation is via GPS. I use an old phone without a sim.
It’s ok on phone ….but so many places when you do need it, no signal or slow connection . I need a head unit really
I do not have a GPS computer but ride locally and know the roads. I use my current phone to record on Strava. I have considered using my last phone to navigate or have an offline route to check options at times. The cost of an advanced GPS computer seems too high for the amount I need it. Does this make any sense or should I just join the 21st century and get the best GPS computer I can afford?
If you don’t need to record your rides, and you only ride local roads, sounds like you’re sorted David.
@@alwaysanotheradventure Thank you for the reply. When I venture to new territory perhaps having proper navigation will be considered.
I have returned to group riding after 20 years away. For health reasons I am able to ride about 3 hours so this limits how far out I get. I lead a weekly ride from my LBS about 2 hours/50kms. I keep a paper map with roads marked to use or avoid.
I make a route into the wind in my head before and sometimes change along the way. We start at 6pm so it is getting dark now and may have to shorten the rides and use lights.
Keep up the good work.
Greetings from the other London, in Ontario, Canada
I only got a head unit because I had a new bike and having the phone bolted to the handlebars looked a bit silly. I still only pull the same data, but the head unit is a lot more solid and stable and its fully waterproof, however the battery doesn’t last as long as the phone battery. So in hindsight the head unit probably was an unwarranted expense, but don’t tell my wife I said that.
Not keen on using a phone as a navigation device. Let’s keep the phone for phone calls and route planning. I do use a reserve battery but when cycling the phone is on airplane mode for the most part. Obviously if you have a new phone or new battery built in it will last longer but GPS takes battery up a fair bit.
Before I got the head unit I used to use an old Motorola G8 and I’d get a full days riding out of it and then some.. Went into developer mode and changed the screen to B&W and it would last for a couple of days.. Lucky if I get 6hrs out of my Garmin Edge Explorer.
Love Komoot! But do folk use the Premium version of it and, if so, why?
Access to deeper layers of mapping more quickly and, err - weather?😁
Oh yes - almost forgot. The Collections are really useful to group your rides. I’ve found it invaluable out here in the alps right now.
"Komoot 5 Tips" video seems to have been made private! Please check..
It’s going live next weekend
@@alwaysanotheradventure Cool! Thanks!
will this work with a E-BIKE
There are ebike settings in the app.
@@alwaysanotheradventure ty
Excellent information as always. Thanks Simon👍
I really don't like the routes komoot plots/chooses. I much prefer to make my own decisions, using OS mapping in the UK. Dynamic Watch is brilliant: OS mapping all the way down to 1:25k, easy editing, a clear filing system, wireless transfer to Garmin Edge....all for about $29 (about £25) for life!
Aren't OS maps £25 per year?
You can't actually navigate with this app unless you pay for it, no free functionality with komoot.
Really? I used it for ages at the free level - albeit I did buy the world maps for £20