True… but when I’m out photographing I don’t want my food delivery driver calling my camera asking “where the hell are you I’m here to deliver your food!” The Canon can’t be called. Check mate. 😏
Phone photos look great as long when viewed on a phone. As soon as I view them on a laptop, I immediately notice the oversharpened, yet detail-lacking look.
I was in a situation recently where I took out my DSLM and wanted to shoot photos of a family gathering when a woman asked me whether I had my phone with me: "You can just take pictures with your phone". She meant it seriously, I was in shock 😂 Great video Roman, great points! Thank you for your work
A good balanced approach. I don’t feel the same sense of achievement with a good image taken on my iPhone as I do with my mirrorless camera. Thank you.
Great stuff Roman, as you say its horses for courses but it is amusing when folks say with great confidence that the phones are as good now. The other thing is when we as photographers get accused of cheating because we post process and when you ask them how their phone does it they just look blank, priceless.
haha do you remember a while ago there was some smartphone company that got caught using photos from an actual camera in the promo material of their fancy smartphone... can't remember who but it made me chuckle
These are the same folks who ask friends to shoot their weddings on iPhones and then complain that the video footage doesn’t look like video from a professional camera and professional photographer.
@@snapsbyfox I think it was Huawei. Can you believe it? And there's a lot we don't know as laypeople what exactly goes into computational photography. Just saying.
@@gumbo3063 Huawei also had a "moon mode" which took great and clear photos of the moon... by overlaying an actual photo of the moon on top the moon in your photo.
I enjoy photography very much, but not at all enjoying it on phones. But I do enjoy shooting handheld video on the phone. It's a great substitute with superior IBIS and low weight. The only time I favour iPhone for photography is during family photo opportunities with terrible lighting conditions. Poorly lit room, family lined up with a big window in their back... say no more, says the the fake magic HDR AI engine.
I agree here as well. I just thoroughly enjoy using my camera and don’t really enjoy using the phone. I hadn’t considered before that it was probably ergonomics as you point out, great point! But it’s always good to have the phone as a backup at any given moment, it’s always with me no matter what haha
I think it's more realistic to compare smartphones with small point & shoot cameras. Probably before 2013-ish, lots of tourists/travellers carry point and shoot cameras for documenting their trips. These days? That's a very rare sight. Smartphones serve their purpose: pocketable, takes great pictures (at least for social media purpose), can do image editing on it, not that expensive, multiple cameras with different focal-length lenses, etc. Sure, photography enthusiasts who demand more high quality images still stick with their cameras.
As a landscape photographer, I sometimes take landscape photos with my phone if I happen across a wonderful scene with the perfect weather and don't have my full frame DSLR with me, but as you mentioned, there is a loss of quality. I've mentioned this before and had phone fans jump on me claiming that phones are just as good. They are if that is what you're happy with, but if you're planning to print big and want the best quality you can get, you're just not going to get it with a tiny sensor and lens. That said, I have seen some absolutely wonderful photographers that prefer using their phones.
I just watched a video last night of an iPhone 14 Pro in ProRaw at 48 megapixel setting going toe to toe with an R5 and L glass for landscapes. They looked identical at 200%...
I really just do not like the photography experience using a phone. I like the tactile feeling of a camera, I like the dials and manual experience of a camera, especially my old film cameras, manually setting ISO, Aperture, shutter speed, focus, just feels so nice and immersive.
It’s always funny how some videos assume you only have one or the other. In my most recent travel I found taking about 50/50 between my phone and professional full frame camera. Realistically these days everyone starts with taking photos on their phone and, as you mentioned, upgrade to a more advanced dedicated camera. I also had a similar experience to yours in UAE and ended up taking way more photos with my phone while there. Thank you for your videos..!
Great video. As a gallery/museum nerd though - whilst some special exhibitions don't allow photography at all - phones included, and you're never allowed to use a tripod or flash, in all the museums and galleries I've been to round the world I've never had my camera refused access...
Mk 1 human eyeball is still the most important bit of kit. Everything else is just a tool to realise your vision. I just got back to the UK from West Africa where the issue of taking photos of people is nuanced and incredibly variable. I shot a lot on the phone in the street and had the latest Instax printer with me. Found I was "giving photos" as well as "taking photos". It was a great ice-breaker. Osmo Pocket also small and very discreet.
I liked your professional photographer comment re places in London. In 2008 I was in Las Vegas at a new shopping area that reminded me of a small town. I thought it was neat and started taking pictures with my Rebel XT only to have a security guard stop and say: You can't take pictures here." "WHAT?????" "Yes, no professional photography." 🙄
I end up with a lot of useless photos on my phone that I never delete or go thru. They're snapshots and while it's an easy way to document things it just feels bland. With the camera, and the process involved I'm better at telling a particular story I wish to portray.
I would also say that when it comes to price/performance then buying a second hand 5D mark II with an f4 zoom or 50mm prime (5dII+zoom about 700 €, 5dII+prime about 350€) then camera just wins. Because you can get semi-good photos with high end phones only really, which is always about 800 €+ ... At least in my country. I always had budget phones, and their cameras are just really not good, and when nighttime comes, its like using a toaster for photography.
When I first started out with photography in the 1970s, I did a lot of City stuff, no one ever bothered me, ever. Today it's different, why? I've tried using my Canon dslr in a newly opened Shopping Mall, I had hassle ever corner I turned, why? Yet I saw people with their phones shooting away no hassle. Yes I use both a phone and a 'professional' looking 'real camera'. What are people (so called security staff) so worried about, when they spot someone using a real camera, saying you can't use 'that' in here, or I need permission. What is the difference? You tell me, 'cause I just don't get it. It's a thing that needs serious debate. Great video, many thanks.
The difference is that it's much harder to stop a phone. Security would have to ask you to open your cellphone's photo app to prove you were taking pictures if they ever caught you, and it's usually not worth the hassle.
The other thing these video's don't seem to mention is, the real camera is taking a single frame, while the phone is using computational photography to combine roughly 9 images together to even come close to the real camera. I've compared my phone to me camera a few times and the camera just does everything better for me, especially image quality/ergonomics.
Funny, when it's raining I use my phone since it's waterproof. *Main* point in the debate: are you okay with a fixed aperture and fixed 24mm (equivalent) lens? If so, then the iPhone is fine. (The other lenses have inadequate sensor sizes.)
Mr. Fox covers a range of contemporary technical issues important to all photographers with common sense and clarity, and -unlike many UA-cam photography bloggers- virtually no pseudo-philosophical bloviating and other random musing. Moreover, the video enhances his explanations without showboating. In all these matters he's one of the internet's best.
I agree, I watched a video about this yesterday and I was thinking to myself the Iphone looked over sharpened and over processed. the expensive mirrorless camera looked a lot better. Yes I know you can make some smart phone pictures look very nice. I just do not think the best phone camera can compete with a good camera and lens combo. I've gotten great pictures from my pixel 6 pro , I have even gotten compliments on the pictures.
My number one reason against the street phonography movement, is that I prefer to use something built for purpose. Just because something can do it, doesn't mean it's right for the job. I hate how long it takes to open up the camera, and adjust settings on my phone. One of the benefits of Fujifilm is being able to set everything even when the camera is off. This is why I bring my X70 and leave my phone at home most days.
@@sevdarasdaras I can choose aperture, if I want more blur or more things in focus. Speed, if I want to sacrifice light to freeze motion or gain light for a scene that isn't fast moving. ISO, I can sacrifice clarity to gain better vision in the dark or utilise the available light in a way to optimise image clarity to take photos in the dark that aren't mushy or fuzzy. I can chose if I want auto focus to activate for the scene or if I want it to switch into manual focus mode where I have it set to a certain distance. An example being: I see a scene of where I want to get everything from 3m to the horizon in focus - My dog playing on a hike. I know by the lighting conditions that I can wheel the dial on my lens to 5.6, flip the focus switch to M turn the camera on, point and click. Got it. Dog playing, frozen action, nice mountain background. That's all, and I can do that all with both hands simultaneously BEFORE the camera is on or up to photograph the scene. Two dials, two fingers, point and snap. No relying on auto focus speeds. I just let the camera handle the shutter speed and ISO to balance the light for my desired focus distance and the exposure setting I always have preset. I can get the shot off in a second or less, usually in less time than it takes to even get a good grip on my phone. With phones I'm swiping up to open the camera, holding to lock focus at my desired distance while hoping that it got what I meant, and then swiping down on a sun icon a few times to get the exposure right, or wheeling drag dials around one menu at a time. By that time I've already lifted the phone up for the photo for so long I've either missed the shot or ruined it by unsubtly pointing a phone at it because now my dog came over to see what I'm playing with. Another example: my kid is taki g their first steps towards me in a dimly lit room. I know I can't rely on auto exposure to give me a fast enough shutter speed to not have blurry motion, and I want the focus to readjust as they come towards me. I flip the focus switch to C and the Shutter dial to 1/500, and the mode dial to burst mode before it's even on or up to my eye. The camera adjusts everything, I just hold the shutter and take a bunch of perfectly in-focus images of my kid walking towards me. Muscle memory for physical controls allows me to get to the best settings faster. Tapping or swiping through menus will never be as quick as just flipping a tangible switch.
Very true, it's the use cases. iPhone beats the point and shoots a lot, and that smart HDR is great in certain situations. The camera produces ultimately the best images, if you know how to use it, just HDR is still a bit hard on a bright day outdoors.
Cameras usually give you better image quality and easier to edit files, while phone cameras are just convenient and phone images start to fall apart the more you edit and in low light phone images get much noisier. Computational images helps in a phone image but still looks like a phone digital often over sharpened image. In good light only, phone images looks acceptable for many uses such as vacation shots and social media.
Roman, I use my phone to replace wide angle lens and keep a prime on the camera for walk about and another for portraits . The kit lens is all well and good , but after a while the slow aperture can hold you back , as can the limitations of the kit lens . Most photographers know after a while what their subject requirements are and those in the know realise they do not need pro gear at inflated prices to get great shots . I edit everything on my phone in Snapseed , regardless of whether the image was taken on the camera or the photo. Of course there are better options out there , but for the majority of my needs , which includes photo books , my audience is more than contented and since I no longer work professionally , I need only satisfy my urges . The hardest lesson to learn is how to let go of an image you are not going to use or need. The last point is subjective and to be honest , there have been a few times I wish I retained some images to play around with at a latter date . I have also lost countless images from older cameras that technically were perfect , but the computer died and the hard drive was lost . It was for this reason I began producing photo books . I found the video reinforced many of my own prefaces drawn from trial and error over the years . I am convinced that there will be many who watch this will have been grateful to you for making this video . Finally , a photographer is somebody who takes pictures by painting with light . It has nothing to do with gear and being somebody paid to produce photos delineates a person more capable than an amateur photographer ; although the expectation would be that the pro was trained to deliver the goods the clients want . Thanks again Roman .
i dont agree. When you are going to buy a property, you compare apartment in a city to a house in a rural area. They are comoletely different, but have same price. So you compare them, to chose which fits better for you. Same with any other thing
Could not agreed more!!!My feed gets over flooded every time new phone comes out especially iPhone then following reviews of professional vs phone is like comparing apples vs peanuts lol!!!Nice to see that you this brought this up!!!Good stuff!!Keep it up the good work!!Mate
You're saying phone photos can be highly the tailored and tweaked to your tastes and they can be made more quickly, more efficiently, and at a cheaper cost?
A lot of these phone camera reviews aren't that honest and clear enough for non tech people, they are good now but still phone quality, you can shoot log but it is in ProRes file which is impractically huge yet the quality is not consistent in all lighting, you can get a dedicated camera which can get lower file size yet still in log and get actual decent consistent cinematic quality and actually learn further in photo and videography, the phone cameras are for people's convenient and unwillingness to further their knowledge and just want to stay and overpaid in the hyped zone and don't leave the garden to explore the bigger worlds. All these capabilities in it are just to show and support developments of its future potentials than an actual current full replacement of dedicated tools, you can use it to do what it's marketed and thrilled and get new one each year for slightly improvement but in same time you are aging and missed out to use actual readily available dedicated camera to record your life in good scalable quality. Just get the base iPhone and use for as long as you could for phone stuffs and get a dedicated camera to widen your view in shootings plus you able to grow emotional attachment and appreciation to your devices that way too.
Perhaps get an iPhone 14 Pro before commenting on it? The 48 Mp ProRaw is not comparable to any previous iPhone, it looks like photos, where all previous looks like a painting when zooming in. I prefer the iPhone over my Panasonic S5 24 Mp full frame in many situations.
The real 'argument' is use cases and personal interests. I will take a camera with me when I think I might use it, I much prefer a camera over a phone. However, there are many use cases where a phone makes more sense than any camera even for me. For most people, their use cases start and end with a phone being the device of choice.
I couldn't help thinking while watching your video: Michael Kenna is my favorite photographer and he gets asked all the time why he still shoots film and does his own processing in a dark room etc ... very similar arguments you are pointing out here Roman id suggest. Great video. Thnx AGAIN!
Very nicely summed up that. Phones just make sure you as a photographer never miss a shot, if its the only camera you have. As for people that dont know about buttons, dials, f stop and ISO, but still likes photography, phones are great. Especially the new iphone 17,5! Always enjoy watching your content, and you need to clean your sensor :)
people still say m43 should just abandon regular digital photogrpahy and embrace AI and computational photography... computational photography is still mostly janky - pixel shift aside. give me glass, physics and repeatable and easy to use controls
It is not merely about quality. For me, a DSLM is much more usable than a smartphone. In addition, when it comes to flashes and strobes, you are out of luck regarding smartphones. The most important benefit of a DSLM ist the viewfinder. All images that I have been taking with a viewfinder are noticeably better than those with a display. I know that this is highly subjective as there are many (professional) photographers who are relying on the display of their DSLM (only).
Totally agree with you. Very interesting talking head setup, with back/side window light and no additional face lighting... it must be filmed on H2S 😁 great dynamic range and AF. Cheers bro
Good luck getting a decent pic of your kid's soccer game with an iPhone. Maybe with an iPhone 15 pro and a camera app that lets you set the shutter speed - why doesn't Apple let you? Maybe Apple hasn't thought about how many parents want to take pics of their kids' sports. At least they should provide the old easy modes that point-and-shoot cameras had: sports, snow, etc.
Ergonomics: add a Bluetooth shutter release hand grip to your smartphone for photography. This one accessory will give your phone the feeling of a dedicated camera.
If you belong to the selfie gang, then a smart phone is good enough and you know nothing about photography anyway. I've looked a some of them stupid reviews, they just take photo's in ideal conditions, where most people couldn't tell the difference between one or the other. It's a different situation when you want to take REAL photo's.
Once again, Roman, you've said the common-sense thing. Different tools for different jobs. I once tried trying to reproduce a shot I took with my phone, using the DSLR. I couldn't do it in that case because the iPhone can use oddball settings that don't exist on the DSLR (ISO 34??), and it got the sky blue where it was white in my DSLR shot. I think the phone is better shooting through glass too. But sometimes you just need all the control you get with a real camera. Even with camera apps that allow control of settings, they can't beat the interface on a camera, nor the speed with which you can change multiple settings using your own presets. The viewfinder alone is a reason to keep the camera, IMHO.
Ever heard that saying about the poor craftsman who blames his tools? Don't be that guy. There are plenty of ways a properly exposed blue sky could have been achieved without Iso 34. Can I help teach you?
@@danielfortune4283 There's no need to be snooty. The point of my experiment, which you missed, was to see if the DSLR could exactly reproduce the settings on the cell phone; the answer to that was no. That doesn't mean that I have no idea how to set my camera to get a blue sky, if that's the important thing. But sometimes the phone simply is the right tool for the job.
@@LadyTracyOfTheDisk My apologies. I thought I was being funny but only ended up being rude. Thanks for clarifying your point. Yes, phones certainly come in handy and make it easy to take a solid photo. Happy shooting and have a great year, Tracy.
Not that i'd ever spend a grand on a phone, but I wonder if top notch phone B&W raw conversions close the gap a little vs DSLR B&W images. Maybe if they progress further in future Leica might think about releasing a limited edition monochrome smartphone 😬
lol followed the click bait thumbnail! well done on the joke 🤣 seriously i agree with your points and add the studio and peripheral gear like speedlites and flash triggers etc. thanks and see you in Tel Aviv???
Farkn LEGEND!!! We need more youtubers like you calling out the BS for the MINDLESS MASSES who devour this crap then regurgitate it every chance the get. Good on ya mate!!! Well done!!
Same is happening with the Hasselblad X2D as well. People are actually comparing the X2D to consumer grade cameras like the R3, R5, Z9, a1 and so on... It's a joke. These people are a joke! As for the ''iPhone 14 vs. XYZ camera,'' I've even saw a video where a women, a photographer, compares it to the Sonys a7IV and says - and I quote; ''The image quality is not that different.'' I don't know if they are actually, legally blind or just like to spread misinformation for profit, whatever the case is, these people are clowns - even ''famous'' UA-camrs/Photographers like Peter McKinnon, Jared Polin and others, made such videos - and yes I think they are clowns too, just for doing something so idiotic. Same applies to everyone making ''Hasselblad X2D vs. XYZ'' videos.
A)You can not learn photography without a real camera. Only through using a camera you come to understand and appreciate the process of writing with light. B)Cameras are designed only for photo and video making. Smartphones are designed for many things as well as photo/video work.
Totally true. Hate when photography channels like Artofphotography guy or Peter Mcwhatever and many others are spamming with those stupid mobile videos(talking loads of rubbish) every time something comes out. Bloody sell-outs. I never watch those, insta dislike from me. Their is nothing cool about them mobiles and these not inspiring for proper photos at all. Its just a phone. But nvm at least you are better then them.
tbh I got nothing agains any of them. They provide entertainment and many including myself will give them a watch while we wait for the train or something. Thanks for watching and the comment!!
lmao a while ago I said that on my IG stories and legit had a few people DM me saying I don't know what i'm talking about it's actually a Sony A7r haha
When Bobby Fisher and Boris Spatsky played chess the world took notice when a computer took on the world champion with AI only the techs cared. A phone is a tool. A camera makes art ……etc
So true, mobiles v cameras comparisons are pointless, i would even go as far as to say the same about camera v camera as its all depends on the individual needs. Personally I love and use both as a hobby photographer as I only have myself to satisfy. We are so lucky to live with the tech available to us. For me comparisons are entertaining but taken with a pinch of salt. Thanks for the video, enjoyed it. Love the room especially the slatted bowed ceiling and the window.
Sat at a cafe table, in front of me are an iphone and a dslr, or mirrorless. A noteworthy event takes place in front of me. Which one can you pick up and take a shot with the fastest ? In my experience it's never the mobile phone
On Android you just double click the power button to get to the camera and then volume up or down to snap a photo. On my Fujifilm I would need to make sure all the knobs were correct, turn it on, snap a photo, chimp, change aperture..
@@joseph5426 @joseph5426 what default focal length comes uo with Andriud ? Wilk it be cirrect ? With Ricoh GR, I power it uo as I'm aiming and its ready to shoot.
@@chrisbarron5861 my pixel has 11mm, 25mm, 50mm and 111mm full frame equivalent focal lengths. You just pick one at the bottom of the screen. It opens to the 25. It's also got 4k video with slow motion. The raws in snapseed handle your average temperature, saturation, contrast edits well. These camera phones are already passing the quality of rx100 and your canon g series 1" sensors and can rival m43 at this point. They're getting better every year. The best camera phones are NOT sold in the US however. The Xaoimi x Leica 14 Ultra produces beautiful images with selective aperture. You can utilize the OnePlus x Haselblad cameras in the US however. It's an exciting time for phone cameras.
You obviously havent shot with the 48 megapixel iPhone 14 Pro. There are videos here of it in ProRaw going toe to toe with an R5 and looking identical at 200%
Bro, you are 100% right and my stomach is paining laughing and laughing here 🤣🤣 . Too good acting skills ❤👌🤣🤣 My favourite part of this video is when you looking at professional camera and a iphone 🤣🤣 ha ha ha 🤣🤣
Last time I checked the Canon D500 Mark 4 can't order a burrito and have it arrive at your house, hence iPhone 15 Pro Plus Maximus is better.
LMAO i'm done 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂 a very convincing argument
True… but when I’m out photographing I don’t want my food delivery driver calling my camera asking “where the hell are you I’m here to deliver your food!”
The Canon can’t be called. Check mate. 😏
🤣🤣
But iPhone 15 pro plus can’t make you a coffee - that’s a paid upgrade
Phone photos look great as long when viewed on a phone.
As soon as I view them on a laptop, I immediately notice the oversharpened, yet detail-lacking look.
I was in a situation recently where I took out my DSLM and wanted to shoot photos of a family gathering when a woman asked me whether I had my phone with me: "You can just take pictures with your phone". She meant it seriously, I was in shock 😂 Great video Roman, great points! Thank you for your work
What a burn, lol.
@@BrianMosleyUK lol yes my heart ached
And the moral of that story is what?
@@danielfortune4283 don't shoot your family
A good balanced approach. I don’t feel the same sense of achievement with a good image taken on my iPhone as I do with my mirrorless camera. Thank you.
Great stuff Roman, as you say its horses for courses but it is amusing when folks say with great confidence that the phones are as good now. The other thing is when we as photographers get accused of cheating because we post process and when you ask them how their phone does it they just look blank, priceless.
haha do you remember a while ago there was some smartphone company that got caught using photos from an actual camera in the promo material of their fancy smartphone... can't remember who but it made me chuckle
These are the same folks who ask friends to shoot their weddings on iPhones and then complain that the video footage doesn’t look like video from a professional camera and professional photographer.
@@snapsbyfox I think it was Huawei. Can you believe it? And there's a lot we don't know as laypeople what exactly goes into computational photography. Just saying.
@@gumbo3063 Huawei also had a "moon mode" which took great and clear photos of the moon... by overlaying an actual photo of the moon on top the moon in your photo.
@@veeaa Mother of God.
I enjoy photography very much, but not at all enjoying it on phones. But I do enjoy shooting handheld video on the phone. It's a great substitute with superior IBIS and low weight. The only time I favour iPhone for photography is during family photo opportunities with terrible lighting conditions. Poorly lit room, family lined up with a big window in their back... say no more, says the the fake magic HDR AI engine.
Yeah same, I prioritise ergonomics and the feel of the camera above all. You gotta enjoy it to keep at it
I agree here as well. I just thoroughly enjoy using my camera and don’t really enjoy using the phone. I hadn’t considered before that it was probably ergonomics as you point out, great point! But it’s always good to have the phone as a backup at any given moment, it’s always with me no matter what haha
I think it's more realistic to compare smartphones with small point & shoot cameras. Probably before 2013-ish, lots of tourists/travellers carry point and shoot cameras for documenting their trips. These days? That's a very rare sight. Smartphones serve their purpose: pocketable, takes great pictures (at least for social media purpose), can do image editing on it, not that expensive, multiple cameras with different focal-length lenses, etc.
Sure, photography enthusiasts who demand more high quality images still stick with their cameras.
Well put! Those thumbnails are ridiculous. As always love the content and honesty.
As a landscape photographer, I sometimes take landscape photos with my phone if I happen across a wonderful scene with the perfect weather and don't have my full frame DSLR with me, but as you mentioned, there is a loss of quality. I've mentioned this before and had phone fans jump on me claiming that phones are just as good. They are if that is what you're happy with, but if you're planning to print big and want the best quality you can get, you're just not going to get it with a tiny sensor and lens. That said, I have seen some absolutely wonderful photographers that prefer using their phones.
Watch Fro knows photo , he puts up the Nikon Z9 ,& Sony A1 against the Iphone 14 Pro Max, you may be surprised.
I just watched a video last night of an iPhone 14 Pro in ProRaw at 48 megapixel setting going toe to toe with an R5 and L glass for landscapes. They looked identical at 200%...
Professional photographers?
I really just do not like the photography experience using a phone. I like the tactile feeling of a camera, I like the dials and manual experience of a camera, especially my old film cameras, manually setting ISO, Aperture, shutter speed, focus, just feels so nice and immersive.
It’s always funny how some videos assume you only have one or the other. In my most recent travel I found taking about 50/50 between my phone and professional full frame camera.
Realistically these days everyone starts with taking photos on their phone and, as you mentioned, upgrade to a more advanced dedicated camera.
I also had a similar experience to yours in UAE and ended up taking way more photos with my phone while there.
Thank you for your videos..!
One of the most clever and interesting photography-youtubers. Stuff on your chanel never dissapoint. Lots of good perspectives. Keep it up. Always
Great video. As a gallery/museum nerd though - whilst some special exhibitions don't allow photography at all - phones included, and you're never allowed to use a tripod or flash, in all the museums and galleries I've been to round the world I've never had my camera refused access...
Every time people see photos of my dslr on my phone, they always say why are you photos so good.
I plan to keep it that way
haha
Mk 1 human eyeball is still the most important bit of kit. Everything else is just a tool to realise your vision. I just got back to the UK from West Africa where the issue of taking photos of people is nuanced and incredibly variable. I shot a lot on the phone in the street and had the latest Instax printer with me. Found I was "giving photos" as well as "taking photos". It was a great ice-breaker. Osmo Pocket also small and very discreet.
I liked your professional photographer comment re places in London. In 2008 I was in Las Vegas at a new shopping area that reminded me of a small town. I thought it was neat and started taking pictures with my Rebel XT only to have a security guard stop and say: You can't take pictures here."
"WHAT?????"
"Yes, no professional photography." 🙄
I end up with a lot of useless photos on my phone that I never delete or go thru. They're snapshots and while it's an easy way to document things it just feels bland.
With the camera, and the process involved I'm better at telling a particular story I wish to portray.
Thumbnail face is gold 😂
I would also say that when it comes to price/performance then buying a second hand 5D mark II with an f4 zoom or 50mm prime (5dII+zoom about 700 €, 5dII+prime about 350€) then camera just wins. Because you can get semi-good photos with high end phones only really, which is always about 800 €+ ... At least in my country. I always had budget phones, and their cameras are just really not good, and when nighttime comes, its like using a toaster for photography.
When I first started out with photography in the 1970s, I did a lot of City stuff, no one ever bothered me, ever. Today it's different, why? I've tried using my Canon dslr in a newly opened Shopping Mall, I had hassle ever corner I turned, why? Yet I saw people with their phones shooting away no hassle. Yes I use both a phone and a 'professional' looking 'real camera'. What are people (so called security staff) so worried about, when they spot someone using a real camera, saying you can't use 'that' in here, or I need permission. What is the difference? You tell me, 'cause I just don't get it. It's a thing that needs serious debate. Great video, many thanks.
The difference is that it's much harder to stop a phone. Security would have to ask you to open your cellphone's photo app to prove you were taking pictures if they ever caught you, and it's usually not worth the hassle.
The other thing these video's don't seem to mention is, the real camera is taking a single frame, while the phone is using computational photography to combine roughly 9 images together to even come close to the real camera. I've compared my phone to me camera a few times and the camera just does everything better for me, especially image quality/ergonomics.
Funny, when it's raining I use my phone since it's waterproof.
*Main* point in the debate: are you okay with a fixed aperture and fixed 24mm (equivalent) lens? If so, then the iPhone is fine. (The other lenses have inadequate sensor sizes.)
Mr. Fox covers a range of contemporary technical issues important to all photographers with common sense and clarity, and -unlike many UA-cam photography bloggers- virtually no pseudo-philosophical bloviating and other random musing. Moreover, the video enhances his explanations without showboating. In all these matters he's one of the internet's best.
I agree, I watched a video about this yesterday and I was thinking to myself the Iphone looked over sharpened and over processed. the expensive mirrorless camera looked a lot better. Yes I know you can make some smart phone pictures look very nice. I just do not think the best phone camera can compete with a good camera and lens combo. I've gotten great pictures from my pixel 6 pro , I have even gotten compliments on the pictures.
My number one reason against the street phonography movement, is that I prefer to use something built for purpose. Just because something can do it, doesn't mean it's right for the job. I hate how long it takes to open up the camera, and adjust settings on my phone. One of the benefits of Fujifilm is being able to set everything even when the camera is off.
This is why I bring my X70 and leave my phone at home most days.
What do you mean by "open up the camera"?
And what do you mean by “set everything with the camera off”? Autofocus?
@@sevdarasdaras I can choose aperture, if I want more blur or more things in focus. Speed, if I want to sacrifice light to freeze motion or gain light for a scene that isn't fast moving. ISO, I can sacrifice clarity to gain better vision in the dark or utilise the available light in a way to optimise image clarity to take photos in the dark that aren't mushy or fuzzy.
I can chose if I want auto focus to activate for the scene or if I want it to switch into manual focus mode where I have it set to a certain distance.
An example being: I see a scene of where I want to get everything from 3m to the horizon in focus - My dog playing on a hike. I know by the lighting conditions that I can wheel the dial on my lens to 5.6, flip the focus switch to M turn the camera on, point and click. Got it. Dog playing, frozen action, nice mountain background. That's all, and I can do that all with both hands simultaneously BEFORE the camera is on or up to photograph the scene. Two dials, two fingers, point and snap. No relying on auto focus speeds. I just let the camera handle the shutter speed and ISO to balance the light for my desired focus distance and the exposure setting I always have preset. I can get the shot off in a second or less, usually in less time than it takes to even get a good grip on my phone.
With phones I'm swiping up to open the camera, holding to lock focus at my desired distance while hoping that it got what I meant, and then swiping down on a sun icon a few times to get the exposure right, or wheeling drag dials around one menu at a time. By that time I've already lifted the phone up for the photo for so long I've either missed the shot or ruined it by unsubtly pointing a phone at it because now my dog came over to see what I'm playing with.
Another example: my kid is taki g their first steps towards me in a dimly lit room. I know I can't rely on auto exposure to give me a fast enough shutter speed to not have blurry motion, and I want the focus to readjust as they come towards me. I flip the focus switch to C and the Shutter dial to 1/500, and the mode dial to burst mode before it's even on or up to my eye. The camera adjusts everything, I just hold the shutter and take a bunch of perfectly in-focus images of my kid walking towards me.
Muscle memory for physical controls allows me to get to the best settings faster. Tapping or swiping through menus will never be as quick as just flipping a tangible switch.
This is brilliant and love you for doing this.
Very true, it's the use cases. iPhone beats the point and shoots a lot, and that smart HDR is great in certain situations. The camera produces ultimately the best images, if you know how to use it, just HDR is still a bit hard on a bright day outdoors.
Cameras usually give you better image quality and easier to edit files, while phone cameras are just convenient and phone images start to fall apart the more you edit and in low light phone images get much noisier. Computational images helps in a phone image but still looks like a phone digital often over sharpened image. In good light only, phone images looks acceptable for many uses such as vacation shots and social media.
Best commentary I’ve heard on the “phone as camera” noise.
Roman, I use my phone to replace wide angle lens and keep a prime on the camera for walk about and another for portraits . The kit lens is all well and good , but after a while the slow aperture can hold you back , as can the limitations of the kit lens .
Most photographers know after a while what their subject requirements are and those in the know realise they do not need pro gear at inflated prices to get great shots .
I edit everything on my phone in Snapseed , regardless of whether the image was taken on the camera or the photo. Of course there are better options out there , but for the majority of my needs , which includes photo books , my audience is more than contented and since I no longer work professionally , I need only satisfy my urges .
The hardest lesson to learn is how to let go of an image you are not going to use or need. The last point is subjective and to be honest , there have been a few times I wish I retained some images to play around with at a latter date .
I have also lost countless images from older cameras that technically were perfect , but the computer died and the hard drive was lost . It was for this reason I began producing photo books .
I found the video reinforced many of my own prefaces drawn from trial and error over the years . I am convinced that there will be many who watch this will have been grateful to you for making this video .
Finally , a photographer is somebody who takes pictures by painting with light . It has nothing to do with gear and being somebody paid to produce photos delineates a person more capable than an amateur photographer ; although the expectation would be that the pro was trained to deliver the goods the clients want .
Thanks again Roman .
i dont agree. When you are going to buy a property, you compare apartment in a city to a house in a rural area. They are comoletely different, but have same price. So you compare them, to chose which fits better for you. Same with any other thing
Could not agreed more!!!My feed gets over flooded every time new phone comes out especially iPhone then following reviews of professional vs phone is like comparing apples vs peanuts lol!!!Nice to see that you this brought this up!!!Good stuff!!Keep it up the good work!!Mate
haha cheers! I have nothing against them at all tbh, just thought I would add my own spin on it
@@snapsbyfox Love it!!Mate!!Good stuff
It's like comparing instant noodle to ramen served in a Michelin restaurant.
You're saying phone photos can be highly the tailored and tweaked to your tastes and they can be made more quickly, more efficiently, and at a cheaper cost?
Great video, the thumbnail was flawless XD
Best video I've seen on the subject thus far.
A lot of these phone camera reviews aren't that honest and clear enough for non tech people, they are good now but still phone quality, you can shoot log but it is in ProRes file which is impractically huge yet the quality is not consistent in all lighting, you can get a dedicated camera which can get lower file size yet still in log and get actual decent consistent cinematic quality and actually learn further in photo and videography, the phone cameras are for people's convenient and unwillingness to further their knowledge and just want to stay and overpaid in the hyped zone and don't leave the garden to explore the bigger worlds. All these capabilities in it are just to show and support developments of its future potentials than an actual current full replacement of dedicated tools, you can use it to do what it's marketed and thrilled and get new one each year for slightly improvement but in same time you are aging and missed out to use actual readily available dedicated camera to record your life in good scalable quality. Just get the base iPhone and use for as long as you could for phone stuffs and get a dedicated camera to widen your view in shootings plus you able to grow emotional attachment and appreciation to your devices that way too.
Have both, and use both, it's all about the situation you're in and what you have on you at the time.
That intro was brilliant ! Can’t wait to see the IPhone 16 S Ultra X Pro Max Ultra 😆😆
Perhaps get an iPhone 14 Pro before commenting on it? The 48 Mp ProRaw is not comparable to any previous iPhone, it looks like photos, where all previous looks like a painting when zooming in. I prefer the iPhone over my Panasonic S5 24 Mp full frame in many situations.
The real 'argument' is use cases and personal interests. I will take a camera with me when I think I might use it, I much prefer a camera over a phone. However, there are many use cases where a phone makes more sense than any camera even for me. For most people, their use cases start and end with a phone being the device of choice.
I couldn't help thinking while watching your video: Michael Kenna is my favorite photographer and he gets asked all the time why he still shoots film and does his own processing in a dark room etc ... very similar arguments you are pointing out here Roman id suggest. Great video. Thnx AGAIN!
I hope Apple or pixel make their own actual camera with all of the processing it’ll be such an impressive camera
Would you say the same now with the 15pro? Plasticy look etc? Would u choose a phone now over a compact?
best video I’ve seen lately
The best video on this topic so far! 👏
Very nicely summed up that. Phones just make sure you as a photographer never miss a shot, if its the only camera you have. As for people that dont know about buttons, dials, f stop and ISO, but still likes photography, phones are great. Especially the new iphone 17,5! Always enjoy watching your content, and you need to clean your sensor :)
haha yeah I think it was in the desert where it got caked. all clean now!
Epic thumbnail photo 😂 thanks for the video mate 🙏🏼 take care and be safe ✌🏻🙏🏼
Cheers and you too!
The vast majority of people don't want to learn about photography they just want to point and shoot ...
nice one, going to go out today with just phone into town to try it out compared to the big gun, hate phone use normally
I want things to be simple… so throw away my camera? 😂 loving the video yet again
Also if the iPhone is even comparable to DSLRs, then surely we can stop talking about full frame vs cropped sensor.
people still say m43 should just abandon regular digital photogrpahy and embrace AI and computational photography... computational photography is still mostly janky - pixel shift aside. give me glass, physics and repeatable and easy to use controls
Great video. Learnt a lot. Thank you
The thumbnail had me chuckling on the train.
That thumbnail. Brilliant.
Hell yeah. I completely agree. And then those annoying thumbnails.
Cheers!
FYI, your X-T4 has an HDR mode also for sooc HDR shots :)
It is not merely about quality. For me, a DSLM is much more usable than a smartphone. In addition, when it comes to flashes and strobes, you are out of luck regarding smartphones. The most important benefit of a DSLM ist the viewfinder. All images that I have been taking with a viewfinder are noticeably better than those with a display. I know that this is highly subjective as there are many (professional) photographers who are relying on the display of their DSLM (only).
watching this after the iphone 15 announcements.
I’m still thinking if I should go for an iPhone 14 or a canon m50 mark 2 to start shooting videos…
Totally agree with you. Very interesting talking head setup, with back/side window light and no additional face lighting... it must be filmed on H2S 😁 great dynamic range and AF. Cheers bro
nah its actually the XT4... the XH2s has way better DR and AF
@@snapsbyfox so it is performing pretty good in this challenging setup situation. I just bought second hand X-T3 and will be testing it 🙂
THANK YOU
You nailed it. Every Year I got sick of those creator videos. Great video!
Good luck getting a decent pic of your kid's soccer game with an iPhone. Maybe with an iPhone 15 pro and a camera app that lets you set the shutter speed - why doesn't Apple let you? Maybe Apple hasn't thought about how many parents want to take pics of their kids' sports. At least they should provide the old easy modes that point-and-shoot cameras had: sports, snow, etc.
Ergonomics: add a Bluetooth shutter release hand grip to your smartphone for photography. This one accessory will give your phone the feeling of a dedicated camera.
Nice one Roman, I reckon you got that bang on.
Thanks as always for your comments mate!
If you belong to the selfie gang, then a smart phone is good enough and you know nothing about photography anyway. I've looked a some of them stupid reviews, they just take photo's in ideal conditions, where most people couldn't tell the difference between one or the other. It's a different situation when you want to take REAL photo's.
Once again, Roman, you've said the common-sense thing. Different tools for different jobs. I once tried trying to reproduce a shot I took with my phone, using the DSLR. I couldn't do it in that case because the iPhone can use oddball settings that don't exist on the DSLR (ISO 34??), and it got the sky blue where it was white in my DSLR shot. I think the phone is better shooting through glass too. But sometimes you just need all the control you get with a real camera. Even with camera apps that allow control of settings, they can't beat the interface on a camera, nor the speed with which you can change multiple settings using your own presets. The viewfinder alone is a reason to keep the camera, IMHO.
Ever heard that saying about the poor craftsman who blames his tools? Don't be that guy. There are plenty of ways a properly exposed blue sky could have been achieved without Iso 34. Can I help teach you?
@@danielfortune4283 There's no need to be snooty. The point of my experiment, which you missed, was to see if the DSLR could exactly reproduce the settings on the cell phone; the answer to that was no. That doesn't mean that I have no idea how to set my camera to get a blue sky, if that's the important thing. But sometimes the phone simply is the right tool for the job.
@@LadyTracyOfTheDisk My apologies. I thought I was being funny but only ended up being rude. Thanks for clarifying your point. Yes, phones certainly come in handy and make it easy to take a solid photo. Happy shooting and have a great year, Tracy.
@@danielfortune4283 Apology accepted.
Great video as always.
My Fujifilm X-T100 has a HDR mode available in-camera. Don't many cameras have this? It's not exclusive to phones.
Hilarious intro 😂
Ljubljana - Slovenia in your footage. My town… ❤
Not that i'd ever spend a grand on a phone, but I wonder if top notch phone B&W raw conversions close the gap a little vs DSLR B&W images. Maybe if they progress further in future Leica might think about releasing a limited edition monochrome smartphone 😬
lol followed the click bait thumbnail! well done on the joke 🤣 seriously i agree with your points and add the studio and peripheral gear like speedlites and flash triggers etc. thanks and see you in Tel Aviv???
Farkn LEGEND!!! We need more youtubers like you calling out the BS for the MINDLESS MASSES who devour this crap then regurgitate it every chance the get. Good on ya mate!!! Well done!!
Thanks for keeping it real 👍
I always imagine those videos being accompanied by the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme song
hahah now I can't get snoop Dogg out of by head who sampled that tune
Hi Roman, Thought’s on the GFX 50r/s just seen Jonás rask in Iceland with the 23mm fantastic.Medium format yes. Stay safe lov your blogs
Did you know that the Olympus em1 series and above will process HDR shots in camera?
So does the X-T4!
I watched this video just because the thumb nail was so good
Same is happening with the Hasselblad X2D as well. People are actually comparing the X2D to consumer grade cameras like the R3, R5, Z9, a1 and so on... It's a joke. These people are a joke! As for the ''iPhone 14 vs. XYZ camera,'' I've even saw a video where a women, a photographer, compares it to the Sonys a7IV and says - and I quote; ''The image quality is not that different.'' I don't know if they are actually, legally blind or just like to spread misinformation for profit, whatever the case is, these people are clowns - even ''famous'' UA-camrs/Photographers like Peter McKinnon, Jared Polin and others, made such videos - and yes I think they are clowns too, just for doing something so idiotic. Same applies to everyone making ''Hasselblad X2D vs. XYZ'' videos.
A)You can not learn photography without a real camera. Only through using a camera you come to understand and appreciate the process of writing with light.
B)Cameras are designed only for photo and video making. Smartphones are designed for many things as well as photo/video work.
Nailed it. This gets my sub
Sick space
1000$ phone> 1000$ camera
2500+ $ camera> best phones
Totally true. Hate when photography channels like Artofphotography guy or Peter Mcwhatever and many others are spamming with those stupid mobile videos(talking loads of rubbish) every time something comes out. Bloody sell-outs.
I never watch those, insta dislike from me. Their is nothing cool about them mobiles and these not inspiring for proper photos at all. Its just a phone. But nvm at least you are better then them.
tbh I got nothing agains any of them. They provide entertainment and many including myself will give them a watch while we wait for the train or something. Thanks for watching and the comment!!
how many takes did you have to do to get just the right goofy expression you were going for? LOL
I look like that all the time so thankfully just one
Am I the only who likes Roman's videos before watching?
Very good video, I just learned that “Cannnonn” is using Sony’s model numbers🤣🤣🤣
lmao a while ago I said that on my IG stories and legit had a few people DM me saying I don't know what i'm talking about it's actually a Sony A7r haha
@@snapsbyfox Really LOL
What was that iPhone lead you used to transfer photos? It was in the simplicity vs process part
Apple SD card reader
What?? - Did you allege that Santa is not real? Au contraire
I hope no one's kids were watching this.. otherwise ive ruined their festive period for this year
this video makes me want to shy away from using my iPhone as a camera even though it perfectly fits my use case compared to a DSLR lol
You get a like for the thumbnail off the rip!!
When Bobby Fisher and Boris Spatsky played chess the world took notice when a computer took on the world champion with AI only the techs cared. A phone is a tool. A camera makes art ……etc
So true, mobiles v cameras comparisons are pointless, i would even go as far as to say the same about camera v camera as its all depends on the individual needs. Personally I love and use both as a hobby photographer as I only have myself to satisfy. We are so lucky to live with the tech available to us. For me comparisons are entertaining but taken with a pinch of salt. Thanks for the video, enjoyed it. Love the room especially the slatted bowed ceiling and the window.
Sat at a cafe table, in front of me are an iphone and a dslr, or mirrorless. A noteworthy event takes place in front of me. Which one can you pick up and take a shot with the fastest ? In my experience it's never the mobile phone
On Android you just double click the power button to get to the camera and then volume up or down to snap a photo. On my Fujifilm I would need to make sure all the knobs were correct, turn it on, snap a photo, chimp, change aperture..
@@joseph5426 @joseph5426 what default focal length comes uo with Andriud ? Wilk it be cirrect ?
With Ricoh GR, I power it uo as I'm aiming and its ready to shoot.
@@chrisbarron5861 my pixel has 11mm, 25mm, 50mm and 111mm full frame equivalent focal lengths. You just pick one at the bottom of the screen. It opens to the 25. It's also got 4k video with slow motion. The raws in snapseed handle your average temperature, saturation, contrast edits well. These camera phones are already passing the quality of rx100 and your canon g series 1" sensors and can rival m43 at this point. They're getting better every year. The best camera phones are NOT sold in the US however. The Xaoimi x Leica 14 Ultra produces beautiful images with selective aperture. You can utilize the OnePlus x Haselblad cameras in the US however. It's an exciting time for phone cameras.
Respect, so true
You obviously havent shot with the 48 megapixel iPhone 14 Pro. There are videos here of it in ProRaw going toe to toe with an R5 and looking identical at 200%
Bro, you are 100% right and my stomach is paining laughing and laughing here 🤣🤣 .
Too good acting skills ❤👌🤣🤣
My favourite part of this video is when you looking at professional camera and a iphone 🤣🤣
ha ha ha 🤣🤣
hahaha took me a few attempts as I kept cracking up
@@snapsbyfox ha ha 🤣
Doesn't the X-T4 have in body HDR capability?
Yes! I was thinking the same thing
Bridge cameras are better than phone camera's, its a camera not a phone with a camera 💯
So true ✨👌🏼