I think that if you personally create a 'rep' of something, like with your own hands, and then you're honest about recreating it, it can be a great starting point to help further your understanding of fashion and what it takes to create it. There's this vintage Vivienne Westwood sweatshirt that Ive wanted for years now, but it's rare to find second hand, so It's likely that I'll just recreate it with my own sweatshirt, But I wouldn't buy a 'rep' of it, because why would I, if I can just make it
@@JohnDoe-vc5qb inspiration implies that it is not a duplicate, rather a related piece that can stand on its own artistic merit. When designers at fashion houses draw from historical collections and archives, they are inspired, but the garment in the end still has the designer's own touch, their own spin or interpretation of the original. On the other hand is the JW Anderson sweater that Harry Styles wore and started a TikTok trend of people recreating it at home, that would be a copy and not an inspiration per say. You could find an analogy in music. If you cover an artists song, no matter how good the cover is, it will never be the original. It may display skill, but skill is not originality or art, and what is of value here is the art, because it is arguably rarer than skill.
Also reps are made by child labour or very bad working conditions and sold by people who sell children, drugs and other illegal stuff. Also why do you HAVE to have something? Everyone who can even think about fashion have everything they need… be less hedonistic and less selfish its just clothes you can read about them instead
I think grandma Viv would love that you’re making your own 🦾 Nothing wrong with home projects. Every designer in the news now has done that, it’s part of developing your taste and creativity 💫💫
As someone trying to learn how to design myself when I find a designer item that I love and can’t afford(most of the time) I try and figure out what elements I liked and how I can explore those elements in the stuff I make for myself. I also end up with more information about my own taste.
Uniform in school is a great equalizer. As a poor kid who ended up in expensive school I appreciated that we all wore the same things and dreaded dress casual days! 😅
I hated uniforms, it stripped me of how expressive i could be with how i dressed and they cost more expensive than the clothes i was buying, i also had to get new uniforms every year cause they would get too small, idk i didnt enjoy it
@@rskl8083 That's why you buy a bigger uniform so you grow into it. And it works out to be cheaper. One blazer £32, two pair of school trousers (cheap ones from M&S), some button shirts (£10 for 2). You are wearing it from September to end of July about 190 days of the year. Compared to all the other stuff in your wardrobe. I basically lived in my school uniform and had one pair of home clothes. And so you don't have to make outfits each day and get bullied for your ugly clothes in school And it's in fact the opposite. All wearing the same thing means your true personality shines and how much of an individual you are. Wearing clothes doesn't make you unique or expressive. Your personality does.
@@hazelcrisp maybe i didnt want to look like an idiot wearing a shirt that would have been way too big for me? But anyways i found ways around it, some people ended up tie-dyeing their uniforms or wearing them differently then intended. And what if someone likes fashion as an art form… that would be part of their personality, its self expression. Uniforms are for workers, so it fits that schools that are making you into a mindless worker would want you to look like one
@rskl8083 school isn't for fashion, it's a hobby. Save it for outside the class please. Doesn't belong in a place where your focus is learning. It isn't about what you want. It's silly and not about just you. And as a community, there was a mutual understanding about having a bigger uniform, it's part of school culture. If millions of kids can wear the same thing, so can you. You're not special. Who needs special needs to wear a "special" outfit. Unless you are special needs or religious covering. Can you not handle wearing a shirt and snart blazer for 7 hours? Or are you incompetent?
I, as an American, along with 15 other American students, went on a study abroad trip to Antwerp for a month (back when I had no interest or knowledge of fashion). It was by far the most uncomfortable and "out-of-place" experience I've ever had in terms of how I looked and dressed. Everyone... and I mean EVERYONE... looked so incredible while me and my fellow Americans were rawdogging it with Wrangler jeans and a basic tee. All in all though... really really enjoyed living there for a short time!
When it comes to the price of clothing, a lot of people don't realize what goes into making an item. My local fabric store had a 50% off sale today, to make a pair of trousers using the sale prices, just the materials ends up being about $30 depending on the fabric and the style. To buy a pattern, a lot of them are around $20 now (I personally get the $1 ones from thrift stores and modify them as needed, or draft my own), and then typically it takes me, (I've been sewing clothing for myself for about 10 years, I'd say intermediate level) about 4-5 hours to cut the pieces, sew everything, make sure it fits, and do the proper hems and serged seams. That makes it about excluding the cost of machines which end up being at least $500 plus about $60 every year or two for maintenance and repairs. And people complain that the mall has the same item for $80 (the same as me making the same thing for US minimum wage per hour) which also includes the cost of getting the item labelled and shipped, put on the shelf, and in a store that has to keep lights on and employees happy? I haven't bought fast fashion since graduating high school except for a couple items from Costco that are good basics that I wear a lot over many years and wouldn't be able to make at my current skill level and access to materials (I love proprietary and designer fabrics, but they're purposely not accessible to the public, unless it's through Fabcycle in Vancouver, where Canadian brands can have their remainder fabrics sold.).
I wish someone would have told me when I was kid that I could be a designer and the drawing skills would come, to just focus on the sewing. That was my biggest discouragement. I pursued styling instead because of that. Im 30 now, and pursing actual fashion design!
We would not have Rick Owens without reps. That’s literally how he got into fashion. And yeah, fashion in Belgium is super weird overall. It’s like a super underground cultural thing that only people in-the-know know about.
Aight, but that doesn't mean Bliss should encourage people to buy them. Its a false equivalency, the ends of Rick Owens and his career/clothes do not justify the means of reps and the exploitation of workers they entail.
I like all the points u mentioned about reps especially how it’s perfectly okay to not have something at that given time or just in general. I’ve come across videos of people with their rep hauls and it’s just ridiculous. Slowly build your wardrobe that aligns with your budget and lifestyle then save up for those high ticket items. Nice video again Bliss.
1:45 is how I feel about the margiela flower print cardigan. It’s just not responsible to buy it right now , so I’m waiting til I have enough money to blow on it. It makes it worth so much more imo
When I saw the thumbnail on my home feed, I totally thought it was a random video and I was like "hell nah I'm not clicking on a vid talking about buying reps". Only realized it was a Bliss vid when I saw it in my subs feed
So I would also say some times you do not know that it is a replica. I remember 6 years ago I was obsessed with a blue blouse from H&M and I bought it because also material wise it was really good. Two week later I saw a picture of almost the same blouse from Chanel and I figured out that Chanel did it first. So I would say that some times (like me this time) or most times people are not into high fashion just because they first cannot afford it anyway and secondly they do not spent too Mitch time (like me) to check out every single run way show the know that what they see in stores or online is a replica. 😅
If you live in a city, look around for not only charity/ thrift stores, but actual vintage clothing stores. They tend to be pretty pricey, but in my time I’ve found some really cool ones that aren’t just a complete rip off, and Another tip for these stores is anything that isn’t a recognisable brand tends to get underpriced in comparison to Levi’s, champion, etc. so keep an eye out and dip deep!
Now there are massive online thrift stores that have offerings from cities + multiple countries. There are also several sites where people sell items directly. The majority of thrift & consignment stores in my town rarely carry anything made by a designer. I’ve lucked out on 2 pieces of clothing. A nearby town within my county has several gated communities full of multi millionaires 4th or 5th part time homes. You can find more designer labels in the consignment stores there but it’s mainly clothing geared toward 60+ year olds.
Since we are speaking of school...I wish I had taken home economics a bit more seriously (and learned to sew). Try finding designer and/or ethically made plus size clothing...it is hard!! I manage but my options are limited. Thank god I have amazing shoes and scarves :) Honestly, if I woke up tomorrow and able to fit into designer ready to wear, I would have to get 2nd and 3rd job. I would be overcome with excitement.
You answered the question on "what is an actual fashion designer?" perfectly. Designers who have classical training make less mistakes and cost their companies less money and wasted time in all the stages that lead up to sampling.
Those aren’t reps, those would be considered grey market. I went to university with a girl whose father owned a factory that made Zimmerman pieces. I was able to get several Zimmerman dresses at a fraction of the cost, they just didn’t have the zim label inside because he shouldn’t have allowed me to buy from him directly
In 1974 my brother’s girlfriend got me a Gucci knockoff handbag for Christmas. I had no idea what the hell this green and red stripe was for….thought it was hideous and never used it for anything more than storing art supplies. Still think it’s hideous. When COACH began the C motif on fabric items…shoes, handbags, etc…I wrote them off forever. Have probably 20 vintage ones that get more stunning every year. When a new pair of Timberlands allowed my feet to get wet….DONE. I have a pair I bought thirty years ago that are still water tight….they are smooth on the sole but still quite wearable.
Personally I don’t like reps for 2 reasons. If I spend some money on a real garment I treat it VERY different than something that costs just a couple of dollars. I also think that with reps you really have no chance of there being some oversight. Anybody who has ever had fake shoes knows what I’m talking about when I say „they smell“. That’s not something you want near your skin.
On the school uniform thing (for reference, me and Bliss are about the same age): at the high school I went to, Black students were regularly harassed for wearing certain primary colors, but white kids got to wear the Confederate flag with no issue. And no, this was not the Deep South.
For chross zip leather jacket chek second hand Schott perfecto second hand. They actually had they're fingers in what we see as leather jacket today. Im shure you could find one thet fits you and it is in price range
100% on everything doesn't have to be for you all the time, there are plenty of clothes out there, find something else that works for you and your budget, its like getting over an unreciprocated crush
peoples are sleeping on Montreal the amount of young designers that are starting and honing in on there skills is crazy everyone should be keeping an eye out for this city you'd be surprised.
I’m gonna be quite honest insofar as I have no idea what reps are. Every time I really think I’m IN the scene, I realize how much more out of the loop I am
i purchase a mix of both retail and replicas, my retail pieces are all rather intricate, extremely high quality items that i can easily justify the price i paid for them; however i think we can all agree that there are some brands in the fashion world that are just simply not worth the price point; and its not like i am just trying to be extremely frugal or anything like that at all, id say im rather well off and have built a wardrobe of extremely nice retail items! but for me personally, id rather spend a huge chunk of change on something that i feel is actually worth it, theres tons of brands that i think are super cool, however if i can get the exact same item for a much cheaper price... it is insanely hard for me to turn that down; but in the same realm, i can totally understand the anti-replica take, to each their own. i have not been purchasing replicas for long; the idea has always been a complete turn off for me due to the preconceived notions i had carried due to me only ever hearing about replicas always being really far off from the actual piece, however it wasn't until i bought an item off of grailed in mid 2021 which turned out to be a replica; i never knew replica's could be /that/ accurate, it was shocking really, people often throw around the phrase "1:1" with replicas but there are typically slight fabric/stitching differences etc; but the scariest part is after doing some research, it is fairly simple to weed out all the garbage..
Personally, I think that is a great starting point to not only understanding fashion, but also getting into the mind of a designer. I think it’s better and more creative than buying reps so long as your honest about it. As an artist (painter, graphics) though, I prefer the route of being inspired by a piece rather than straight up copying, but I don’t see anything wrong with mimicking a designers piece. Sometimes it’s just not feasible to buy a certain item. So long as your not trying to be deceptive. A lot of designers started by making their own versions of pieces they couldn’t buy or afford. But that’s just my whole opinion 🤷🏾♂️
I think it’s super cool.they did it before ready to wear where you went to a dressmaker with a magazine…they took your measurements…well you probably know this 😅
Now where´s the line for liking a hyped piece, like the rick owens shoestring pant being okay to want, and liking a piece that gets faked like the balenciaga track 1 sneaker is a fashion sin? Kind of on the fence about that statement, but i get your point :)
You not lying about the targeting especially with the hats they told me I had a gang hat cause I had a blue dodgers hat but the white kid could wear his monster SnapBack no problem
The more intricate a garment is, the less likely "good reps" will be made. Sure, it looks like a flawless imitation, but herringbone twill becomes plain twill and Kiko Kostadinov pants' funky fiber blend becomes 100% cotton real fast. Its like horseshoe theory for Johnathans enthusiasts However, unlike Bliss, I refuse to take the L, and instead I'm learning fashion design
With Wendy went though the Met Gala and deep dished the intricacies of the designs. Some were shameless and could easily be DIY but others were just au couture at its finest.
Reps and og products makes no difference considering that “luxury” pieces are made by underpaid Chinese Senegalese and also Italians on poor job conditions, so if you are buying original items you are still contributing to the exploitation of thousands of people just for the benefit of the companies and here Italy is something that is well known
I'd love to hear how buying directly from high fashion designers (not thrifting as you reccomend) is better ethically or socially than buying fast fashion!
Most designers are making their stock in those same factories with those same labour laws. Perhaps not eco conscious labels but even there it’s a bit ropey.
Tbh I wear mostly retail and I have like three rep items. The reps were bought by accident and tbh I still wear them lol it’s my fault for not properly legit checking but I own up to it when people ask if I wear reps or not.
Part of what got me into sewing was worshiping at the feet of the people who work in the Chanel and Dior ateliers. Which means I'm going to be making my own reps of their classic clothing myself for myself. Which means my personal project for this year is teaching myself tailoring so I can strike a pose in a 'Chanel' 50's suit. Which also means that I bought 'original' Chanel buttons off of ebay; about which I'm still slightly conflicted about because they're probably from the knock-off factory just down the road from the officially designated factory... - Cathy (&, accidently, Steve), Ottawa/Bytown/Pimisi
The fact CCP, Deepti, and JAS don't have any images of themselves online is iconic. I think all three of them are notable enough that they must use one of those internet services to remove images of themselves when they get posted. MAYBE Jordan Arthur Smith is so new that the images just simply don't exist, though. I don't know anything this is all conjecture.
I personally wouldn’t wear reps, I don’t see the point. I have spoken to lots of people about this and a lot of them say it’s not a fake flex they just don’t want to spend the money, but there’s no many nice pieces out there for affordable prices why buy something that is poorly made. I also think that when you finally save up for a piece you’ve been wanting for a long time you appreciate the garment so much more.
Its just material items its not that serious, theres no logical sense in “SAVING UP” just to buy a piece of expensive clothing that you’ll only wear a few times … its financially irresponsible
Labor abuse? Dear sir, just cuz something is designer don't mean it didn't come from a factory where workers aren't being underpaid and/or abused. Your either being intellectually dishonest or just super naive.
So true. There’s even clothes made “In Italy” where the company brings in foreign workers and threatens them with green cards. And if they get caught the workers are deported and the company doesn’t even get fined because they were “unaware.” Also fast fashion designers are more likely to make more money that high end ones. Unless you’re the head designer.
Bliss does seem to be into smaller brands that probably have more control over manufacturing. Several luxury brands do have the same problems, though. It’s unfortunately inevitable. Most factories are far away from the store fronts and practices in the factories vary. I’ve never worked in a luxury clothing store but I do wondered about the experience. Most department stores where I live are lower end. We do have a few boutiques with higher quality clothes that you will pay a pretty penny for (nothing that will completely break the bank). I prefer to do most of my shopping there if possible and I have worked in some boutique stores. My last retail job was in a low end, somewhat fast fashion department store, and it didn’t last long. The first time I unpacked a shipping crate hundreds of roaches poured out of it. I then had to sort the clothes and discard several items that had the neck and arms sewn completely together. I walked out of there as fast as my legs could take me. I did not have that experience unboxing in boutiques.
Simulacra has been appointed high sign value and the culture of constant consumption without consideration of how this rep garment has come to exist results in mass consumption of rep goods… I think.
Can confirm dress codes are rooted in misogynistic AND anti-Black. I got so much flack & shame for all the clothes I wanted to wear because they looked halfway decent on me since puberty hit me like a freight train going 300mph, AND all the hairstyles (usually braids) that I wanted to wear since they’re so low maintenance and I was super active in middle & high school were either explicitly banned or strongly implied as a no-go. So. Stupid. And made life unnecessarily hard on so many levels😤 Ironically, the Christian school that I went to for elementary and half of middle school was the most lax with dress code despite the uniforms we had to wear.
I think saying Reps are made in cheap factory’s and are made by childs, is just dump. The same could be said for designer fashion… bbbbut it says made in france. Oh so the zippers are also from france? How do you know those weren’t made by childs?? We all know price doesn’t say anything about quality.
i'm gonna keep buying my high-end reps 💁🏻♀and if you're not buying the blurred out logo photos on aliexpress and dhgate, then there is certainly reps of "cool" stuff lmao
Theres probably some exceptions but for replicas to exist there has to be a market. Theres no need for replicas if people dont want or know the original hence his point of buying the cool stuff instead. Everything you deem cool there is probably mainstream or known enough for it to have a market.
yes! buying fakes is bad! i read that is coz it takes the jobs away from the original designers and their companies. granted, if they are expensive, like u, i am also ok with living without. but if a design is really cool and i want it bad enough, i have resorted to hacktivising, like vivienne westwood said is ok to do, and encouraged. so, punk all the way, baby! even mcqueen is ok with people home-copying his work. or paying someone to do it for u, but on a special order basis, not factory mode. but yeah, some people in some places feel like they have no other options so they work in sweatshops coz of the destabilized statuses of their countries/cities, so it's really sad. so i guess for those that have the means, don't buy fakes 🙏🏻
Im currently solo traveling in Antwerp as I watch this video. I think the city is my favorite in Europe. Beyond the fashion scene. It is hyper diverse, amazing food, incredibly hip, bursting with creative energy, amazing public transit, walkable, welcoming people, cheaper than Paris/Amsterdam, great clubs, excellent theater / cultural events. AND the only gallery in the world where you can see Martin Margiela's art!!!! Zeno X Gallery. Also there is like 30 museums, many good ones. PLUS it is architecturally unique. Flemish architecture is for the most part only found in Antwerp and two other cities in the north of Belgium.
Bad take imo, The factories these shoes are coming out of are the same ones these brands created for there products. If anything the industry of replica shoes is building a market where the exploited have a chance to profit off the conglomerates. If the shoes weren’t crazily over priced in the first place due to oversaturated markets caused by people like you inflating clothing prices by giving this whole idea of “my fans are too cool to wear anything that isn’t personally sewn by John Galliano” maybe we wouldn’t have this issue in the first place.
In the thumbnail for this video, I show a rep that’s pretty clearly not made in the same factory as the original. I imagine you’re talking about sneakers? Could you give a fact-checked news source that talks about the sneakers being made in the same factories? I’ve heard a lot of people talk about this on Reddit but never from an actual news source. Even if they are made in the same factories, workers staying overnight to make more shoes doesn’t sound like a very “liberating the oppressed” type plan. Sounds more like a factory owner making more money.
@@BlissFoster You can check websites like HighSociety “According to the New York Times, there are Chinese-owned factories in the Italian garment capital of Tuscany where “Chinese laborers work round the clock in some 3,200 businesses making low-end clothes”. If there are replica factories are in Italy made specifically for perfect replicas that don’t even have to say made in china I can’t image what is actually happening there.
@@BlissFoster It also apply a for clothing. I own some rep clothing ranging from terrible copy’s to perfect 1 of 1s and I can guarantee most of the “reps” being sold aren’t even technically reps they are either stolen from the real factory’s or didn’t pass the company’s quality check so they are sold to rep providers.
Hi! I studied at a Catholic school and we had to wear a uniform. As I felt trapped in these clothes, I tried to do everything to “escape” the norms and found subtle ways to vary in a limited but effective way and get out of the box because of it. In the end it helped me to improvise, make the most of all situations and make the best use of my imagination, using it in a practical way.
Groupe Artémis owns Kering Company. Kering owns Gucci, Saint Laurent, Bottega Veneta, Balenciaga, Alexander McQueen, Brioni, Boucheron, Pomellato, DoDo, Qeelin, as well as Kering Eyewear. Volcom used to be owned by them too. Under capitalism a majority of these clothes are made in the same factory ? Buy reps, make ur own, customise everything.
'there's a time and place for everything' - such time is when I find a nice simply made cotton graphic t-shirt or sweatshirt and the designer wants $1000; I'm paying the rep-man $40 and I'm going about my day after, sorry.
@@ayao I do. I buy vintage, I buy authentic new and I buy reps. All have their specific benefits for me. I think the high fashion community is cool but the collective group-think on what is considered gauche or not is kinda risible to me, so I do as I please normally.
@@pureounce.9184 I get that, still think its reasonable how the people that are passionate about fashion are going to act this way torwards people that buy reps. Who else is going to? Doesnt even matter if that hypothetical graphic shirt is worth 1000 usd or not, ripping off someone elses design just because the process of creating this piece isnt worth x amount is bullshit imo.
I love the talk about schoool uniforms! being a gay kid in a catholic school yall know how it all went hahaha so now as an adult I will not be silenced haha good talk, Bliss! you’re the fashion friend/ mentor / teacher / idol we need in these times!
@@user-rr5lj8nu3n I put that in quotes for a reason. Try to figure it out and then think about where those "legitimate" brands get their clothes made. Focus on the point if you can.
@@nn99nn99 Whats with this non-answer? What I was getting at is that your weird term of "real brand" is incredibly wonky and has absolutely no weight behind it if you dont define it. Are 30$ Nike shirts "real" brand clothes for you? Or only 220$ Rick Owens ones? At what point do you even believe whatever information is on the garment? Because there is info on that for well made clothing. This "all clothes are made the same way" is absolute horseshit. I guarantee you runway pieces arent put together by 3rd world 14 year olds.
Buying reps is: 1. A horrible financial investment, there is basically 0 resell value with reps unless you try to pass them off as legitimate. Buying the real deal for a good price is a great investment, intelligently doing so almost always results in the ability to get all of your money back or even profit if you are wanting to move on from the piece. So even coming from a financial perspective, reps don't make sense. 2. Contributing to the huge problem of inauthentic pieces being passed off as authentic. I buy and sell clothes for a living, just the mere existence of reps puts the second hand market back so much via the ubiquity of inauthentic items trying to be sold as authentic. Reps are doing real material harm to people including myself, I've been ripped off thousands of dollars due to being given inauthentic garments that were passed off as real. If you're going to buy a rep, just never ever try to sell it off as authentic, don't bring the rest of us down with you.
Buying expensive clothes IS NOT AN INVESTMENT you are lying to yourself , authentic or rep… its an expensive hobby at best but to say its an investment is asinine
Nope! The whole thing about Carol is all the details: weird fabrics, wild construction, even the flaws. There’s cheapo stuff that looks avant garde I guess but it’s not an alternative. I saw this owning no Carol myself, can’t afford it. And for me, that’s ok 😌
Bill I want to be constructive but also honest, this one is a huge miss (but please read I want to engage in a helpful way). Reps aren't just a part of the culture and you can't gatekeep them outside of the culture. Also someone who wishes to be very informed as you should know about the western corporations agenda to misinform the west with high purchasing power to empty their pockets for morally correct clothes. I am not a follower of Žižeks ideas but he points out expertly how the media will tells you you must consume a certain way so you will always living paycheck to paycheck and not be to own property. It's his whole "put on the truth glasses" (his "They Live" scenario) idea. In fact Chinese and Vietnamese workers who work for their non-foreign knockoff companies are guaranteed much more labour rights with better working conditions and pay (proportional to the price for things in their country) than western "ethical" workers. Also what's often overlooked is that the workers don't work full-time and often own cheap government sold farmland they also profit off. Meanwhile western corporations use south Asian workforce from Bangladesh and India with no labour laws who often actually die from their poor work environment. Even though they might use Asian workers they will still tell you Chinese or Vietnamese workers do a worse job and have spread the "made in China" myth of low quality. Also they aren't stealing from designers. In the international world you will have to agree to international competition. You can invent the toaster but someone can still find a way to sell the same quality for cheaper. The only solution for designer brands is to lower their insane prices, keep inventing and rolling out new ideas. Work harder. This would only be positive for the progress of art and fashion. With the abundance it would create you would no longer have trends of high end fashion, everyone could find what's right for them. It would also ensure nobody gets economically f@cked over to express themselves the way they want. Maybe even help to experiment with new materials that the cheaper brands couldn't afford to use because currently there's no noticable difference in quality. I know it might be hard to change perspective but this is just factual. I know you've been made to think a way but remember which country you live in, America. Its a country of good people but those good people have been brainwashed into consenting to war after war so just think about if your media wouldn't lie to you to sell you a product they make you believe is more ethical when it's opposite. Also I know you love these brands but you have to agree all of the people deserve to express themselves and when the price is too high it isn't just "not the right time for you to buy them". Personally I believe reps can make a positive change. Anyway I put alot of effort into writing this so I hope you read it all and you may ask any question to me. To end it on a positive note; your Dalí joke was really funny.
Its like you just found out about zizek and chomsky and wanted to extrapolate absolutely anything you could onto what bliss said in an effort to convince yourself and others that you know what you're talking about. You're like those jordan peterson stans but for the other side. Being dogmatically anti-west doesn't make you sound as smart as you think it does
@@Lauriieton I never wanted to push anything onto what Bliss said. What of what I said is not extremely relevant to the question of reps? Also why do you try to force on me the image of thinking I'm more than I am when you're the one going "actually it's this way" like you know what I meant when you clearly didn't bother to understand.Not very respectful
So in your mind.....a designer that puts his energy, money and time into his work has no right to decide what he charges for his work and even owes it to the world to be affordable because it definitely is one of the necessities of life to dress in full rick even if you are poor. Plus he cant do anything against randos that 1:1 copy his shit and call it a day? I agree with some things you said but this just seems completely ridiculous to me
Also I love you to death Bliss, so I am not trying to call you out, but I think you may be a little off base claiming JAS does almost everything himself? If you go to his website > archive > collection > scroll down > click credits, you can see he does collaborate with others. For example, Laurel (@mothscradle), who you follow has co-founder of JAS in her bio, and images of her sewing what appears to be a JAS garment.
Great point, I should have been more clear. I meant “the clothes are made in house in an atelier either by the designer or directly supervised by the designer”. Jordan has some incredible artisans working with him. Thanks for the correction, I love being corrected 💫💫
The best part about getting an item that is legit is to me not only the clothing I wanted but never forget it’s practically a family. in my mind you are telling me you can go and spend money you got from anyone or u worked your ass off in your 14$hr job just to spend ur biweekly check on a replica of that item… no it’s not the price it’s not the designer to me it’s about people sharing one thing to another you see how well the person before you took care of that item no matter if it’s a 100$ number nine tee you will keep it in Prestige condition because it was earned and worn before you and with reps they get made in a factory and you will never feel the true value to that item unless it’s legit and that’s the truth.
I think that if you personally create a 'rep' of something, like with your own hands, and then you're honest about recreating it, it can be a great starting point to help further your understanding of fashion and what it takes to create it.
There's this vintage Vivienne Westwood sweatshirt that Ive wanted for years now, but it's rare to find second hand, so It's likely that I'll just recreate it with my own sweatshirt,
But I wouldn't buy a 'rep' of it, because why would I, if I can just make it
But at what point does it become your own instead of a rep? 🤔 if you made it, the inspiration comes second does it not?
@@JohnDoe-vc5qb inspiration implies that it is not a duplicate, rather a related piece that can stand on its own artistic merit. When designers at fashion houses draw from historical collections and archives, they are inspired, but the garment in the end still has the designer's own touch, their own spin or interpretation of the original. On the other hand is the JW Anderson sweater that Harry Styles wore and started a TikTok trend of people recreating it at home, that would be a copy and not an inspiration per say. You could find an analogy in music. If you cover an artists song, no matter how good the cover is, it will never be the original. It may display skill, but skill is not originality or art, and what is of value here is the art, because it is arguably rarer than skill.
I actually do this! I remade the Margiela kiss shirt and made my own iteration of the CDG poem shirts. It’s so much fun! It also teaches me how to sew
Also reps are made by child labour or very bad working conditions and sold by people who sell children, drugs and other illegal stuff. Also why do you HAVE to have something? Everyone who can even think about fashion have everything they need… be less hedonistic and less selfish its just clothes you can read about them instead
I think grandma Viv would love that you’re making your own 🦾
Nothing wrong with home projects. Every designer in the news now has done that, it’s part of developing your taste and creativity 💫💫
As someone trying to learn how to design myself when I find a designer item that I love and can’t afford(most of the time) I try and figure out what elements I liked and how I can explore those elements in the stuff I make for myself. I also end up with more information about my own taste.
Uniform in school is a great equalizer. As a poor kid who ended up in expensive school I appreciated that we all wore the same things and dreaded dress casual days! 😅
I hated uniforms, it stripped me of how expressive i could be with how i dressed and they cost more expensive than the clothes i was buying, i also had to get new uniforms every year cause they would get too small, idk i didnt enjoy it
I wish we had uniforms. In Switzerland it‘s nearly non existent. You were bullied by the richer kids, if you could not dress in fashion
@@rskl8083 That's why you buy a bigger uniform so you grow into it. And it works out to be cheaper. One blazer £32, two pair of school trousers (cheap ones from M&S), some button shirts (£10 for 2). You are wearing it from September to end of July about 190 days of the year. Compared to all the other stuff in your wardrobe. I basically lived in my school uniform and had one pair of home clothes. And so you don't have to make outfits each day and get bullied for your ugly clothes in school
And it's in fact the opposite. All wearing the same thing means your true personality shines and how much of an individual you are. Wearing clothes doesn't make you unique or expressive. Your personality does.
@@hazelcrisp maybe i didnt want to look like an idiot wearing a shirt that would have been way too big for me? But anyways i found ways around it, some people ended up tie-dyeing their uniforms or wearing them differently then intended. And what if someone likes fashion as an art form… that would be part of their personality, its self expression. Uniforms are for workers, so it fits that schools that are making you into a mindless worker would want you to look like one
@rskl8083 school isn't for fashion, it's a hobby. Save it for outside the class please. Doesn't belong in a place where your focus is learning. It isn't about what you want. It's silly and not about just you. And as a community, there was a mutual understanding about having a bigger uniform, it's part of school culture. If millions of kids can wear the same thing, so can you. You're not special. Who needs special needs to wear a "special" outfit. Unless you are special needs or religious covering. Can you not handle wearing a shirt and snart blazer for 7 hours? Or are you incompetent?
I love the notion of separating appreciation from materialism. As well as personal appreciation versus external validation.
I, as an American, along with 15 other American students, went on a study abroad trip to Antwerp for a month (back when I had no interest or knowledge of fashion). It was by far the most uncomfortable and "out-of-place" experience I've ever had in terms of how I looked and dressed. Everyone... and I mean EVERYONE... looked so incredible while me and my fellow Americans were rawdogging it with Wrangler jeans and a basic tee.
All in all though... really really enjoyed living there for a short time!
When it comes to the price of clothing, a lot of people don't realize what goes into making an item. My local fabric store had a 50% off sale today, to make a pair of trousers using the sale prices, just the materials ends up being about $30 depending on the fabric and the style. To buy a pattern, a lot of them are around $20 now (I personally get the $1 ones from thrift stores and modify them as needed, or draft my own), and then typically it takes me, (I've been sewing clothing for myself for about 10 years, I'd say intermediate level) about 4-5 hours to cut the pieces, sew everything, make sure it fits, and do the proper hems and serged seams. That makes it about excluding the cost of machines which end up being at least $500 plus about $60 every year or two for maintenance and repairs. And people complain that the mall has the same item for $80 (the same as me making the same thing for US minimum wage per hour) which also includes the cost of getting the item labelled and shipped, put on the shelf, and in a store that has to keep lights on and employees happy? I haven't bought fast fashion since graduating high school except for a couple items from Costco that are good basics that I wear a lot over many years and wouldn't be able to make at my current skill level and access to materials (I love proprietary and designer fabrics, but they're purposely not accessible to the public, unless it's through Fabcycle in Vancouver, where Canadian brands can have their remainder fabrics sold.).
I wish someone would have told me when I was kid that I could be a designer and the drawing skills would come, to just focus on the sewing. That was my biggest discouragement. I pursued styling instead because of that. Im 30 now, and pursing actual fashion design!
I also found what I wanted to do when I was 30! Go crush it, Erica 🦾
We would not have Rick Owens without reps. That’s literally how he got into fashion. And yeah, fashion in Belgium is super weird overall. It’s like a super underground cultural thing that only people in-the-know know about.
Aight, but that doesn't mean Bliss should encourage people to buy them. Its a false equivalency, the ends of Rick Owens and his career/clothes do not justify the means of reps and the exploitation of workers they entail.
How is that true? About the reps building up Rick owens
@@hentai7444 that’s how he learned pattern making. It was an integral part of his journey.
I don't see how you could attribute the rise of rick owens to reps.
@@PrincipalSkinner3190 he didn't attribute his rise to reps tho.
I like all the points u mentioned about reps especially how it’s perfectly okay to not have something at that given time or just in general. I’ve come across videos of people with their rep hauls and it’s just ridiculous. Slowly build your wardrobe that aligns with your budget and lifestyle then save up for those high ticket items. Nice video again Bliss.
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3:22 We actually all just dress like this here in England. Even us [former] public school kids.
The dress code violations against men being racy actually didn’t dawn on me until you said that. Psa… I didn’t go to a school that required uniforms.
Racy and racial are not the same but that's a funny word thing
4:42 let me add on braids bc my old racist school said my hair was distracting the students
Can we do more of these Q&As? I loved this
We do one about once a month! There’s 5 or 6 of these on the channel now 💫💫
1:45 is how I feel about the margiela flower print cardigan. It’s just not responsible to buy it right now , so I’m waiting til I have enough money to blow on it. It makes it worth so much more imo
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I agree with the human cost of reps but…. You would be surprised at the pieces in the rep market outside of the opium hype kid clothes.
When I saw the thumbnail on my home feed, I totally thought it was a random video and I was like "hell nah I'm not clicking on a vid talking about buying reps". Only realized it was a Bliss vid when I saw it in my subs feed
I agree with you all the way .. 7:44 really on this time stamp… 8:40 I agree as well & I am a double major getting a degree in fashion merchandising
So I would also say some times you do not know that it is a replica. I remember 6 years ago I was obsessed with a blue blouse from H&M and I bought it because also material wise it was really good. Two week later I saw a picture of almost the same blouse from Chanel and I figured out that Chanel did it first.
So I would say that some times (like me this time) or most times people are not into high fashion just because they first cannot afford it anyway and secondly they do not spent too Mitch time (like me) to check out every single run way show the know that what they see in stores or online is a replica. 😅
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literally watched this with prada rep sunglasses from early 00's that i payed 1$ on garage sale lmaoo
If you live in a city, look around for not only charity/ thrift stores, but actual vintage clothing stores. They tend to be pretty pricey, but in my time I’ve found some really cool ones that aren’t just a complete rip off, and Another tip for these stores is anything that isn’t a recognisable brand tends to get underpriced in comparison to Levi’s, champion, etc. so keep an eye out and dip deep!
Now there are massive online thrift stores that have offerings from cities + multiple countries.
There are also several sites where people sell items directly.
The majority of thrift & consignment stores in my town rarely carry anything made by a designer. I’ve lucked out on 2 pieces of clothing.
A nearby town within my county has several gated communities full of multi millionaires 4th or 5th part time homes. You can find more designer labels in the consignment stores there but it’s mainly clothing geared toward 60+ year olds.
Since we are speaking of school...I wish I had taken home economics a bit more seriously (and learned to sew). Try finding designer and/or ethically made plus size clothing...it is hard!! I manage but my options are limited. Thank god I have amazing shoes and scarves :) Honestly, if I woke up tomorrow and able to fit into designer ready to wear, I would have to get 2nd and 3rd job. I would be overcome with excitement.
You answered the question on "what is an actual fashion designer?" perfectly. Designers who have classical training make less mistakes and cost their companies less money and wasted time in all the stages that lead up to sampling.
what about reps that are made in the same manufacturer facility as the real thing?
for reference I don't buy nor approve that stuff but I always question myself about the ethics of doing that
Curious about this too!
Those aren’t reps, those would be considered grey market. I went to university with a girl whose father owned a factory that made Zimmerman pieces. I was able to get several Zimmerman dresses at a fraction of the cost, they just didn’t have the zim label inside because he shouldn’t have allowed me to buy from him directly
In 1974 my brother’s girlfriend got me a Gucci knockoff handbag for Christmas. I had no idea what the hell this green and red stripe was for….thought it was hideous and never used it for anything more than storing art supplies. Still think it’s hideous. When COACH began the C motif on fabric items…shoes, handbags, etc…I wrote them off forever. Have probably 20 vintage ones that get more stunning every year. When a new pair of Timberlands allowed my feet to get wet….DONE. I have a pair I bought thirty years ago that are still water tight….they are smooth on the sole but still quite wearable.
I really want those Rick Owens lace 😢😢😢😢
Personally I don’t like reps for 2 reasons. If I spend some money on a real garment I treat it VERY different than something that costs just a couple of dollars. I also think that with reps you really have no chance of there being some oversight. Anybody who has ever had fake shoes knows what I’m talking about when I say „they smell“. That’s not something you want near your skin.
We love bliss because he talks fashion and put that shit on
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On the school uniform thing (for reference, me and Bliss are about the same age): at the high school I went to, Black students were regularly harassed for wearing certain primary colors, but white kids got to wear the Confederate flag with no issue. And no, this was not the Deep South.
For chross zip leather jacket chek second hand Schott perfecto second hand. They actually had they're fingers in what we see as leather jacket today. Im shure you could find one thet fits you and it is in price range
100% on everything doesn't have to be for you all the time, there are plenty of clothes out there, find something else that works for you and your budget, its like getting over an unreciprocated crush
I love the crush analogy lol! So spot on!
No you can have whatever you want everything has to be for me
peoples are sleeping on Montreal the amount of young designers that are starting and honing in on there skills is crazy everyone should be keeping an eye out for this city you'd be surprised.
I’m gonna be quite honest insofar as I have no idea what reps are. Every time I really think I’m IN the scene, I realize how much more out of the loop I am
No need to look it up 😌
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I’ve never bought a replica/knock off. I don’t have the money to buy the originals 99% of the time but I do shop second hand.
i purchase a mix of both retail and replicas, my retail pieces are all rather intricate, extremely high quality items that i can easily justify the price i paid for them; however i think we can all agree that there are some brands in the fashion world that are just simply not worth the price point; and its not like i am just trying to be extremely frugal or anything like that at all, id say im rather well off and have built a wardrobe of extremely nice retail items! but for me personally, id rather spend a huge chunk of change on something that i feel is actually worth it, theres tons of brands that i think are super cool, however if i can get the exact same item for a much cheaper price... it is insanely hard for me to turn that down; but in the same realm, i can totally understand the anti-replica take, to each their own. i have not been purchasing replicas for long; the idea has always been a complete turn off for me due to the preconceived notions i had carried due to me only ever hearing about replicas always being really far off from the actual piece, however it wasn't until i bought an item off of grailed in mid 2021 which turned out to be a replica; i never knew replica's could be /that/ accurate, it was shocking really, people often throw around the phrase "1:1" with replicas but there are typically slight fabric/stitching differences etc; but the scariest part is after doing some research, it is fairly simple to weed out all the garbage..
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Great episode, Bliss. Fusion sneakers for the win, a work of art the you see them up close.
what do yall think about making your own reps at home? as in coping a garment i cant afford or has been discontinued
Personally, I think that is a great starting point to not only understanding fashion, but also getting into the mind of a designer. I think it’s better and more creative than buying reps so long as your honest about it.
As an artist (painter, graphics) though, I prefer the route of being inspired by a piece rather than straight up copying, but I don’t see anything wrong with mimicking a designers piece. Sometimes it’s just not feasible to buy a certain item. So long as your not trying to be deceptive. A lot of designers started by making their own versions of pieces they couldn’t buy or afford. But that’s just my whole opinion 🤷🏾♂️
I think it’s super cool.they did it before ready to wear where you went to a dressmaker with a magazine…they took your measurements…well you probably know this 😅
Love it 💫💫
Now where´s the line for liking a hyped piece, like the rick owens shoestring pant being okay to want, and liking a piece that gets faked like the balenciaga track 1 sneaker is a fashion sin?
Kind of on the fence about that statement, but i get your point :)
Agree, he's being a bit too hipsterish with this comment
You not lying about the targeting especially with the hats they told me I had a gang hat cause I had a blue dodgers hat but the white kid could wear his monster SnapBack no problem
The more intricate a garment is, the less likely "good reps" will be made. Sure, it looks like a flawless imitation, but herringbone twill becomes plain twill and Kiko Kostadinov pants' funky fiber blend becomes 100% cotton real fast.
Its like horseshoe theory for Johnathans enthusiasts
However, unlike Bliss, I refuse to take the L, and instead I'm learning fashion design
Do not go gently into that good L
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With Wendy went though the Met Gala and deep dished the intricacies of the designs. Some were shameless and could easily be DIY but others were just au couture at its finest.
Reps and og products makes no difference considering that “luxury” pieces are made by underpaid Chinese Senegalese and also Italians on poor job conditions, so if you are buying original items you are still contributing to the exploitation of thousands of people just for the benefit of the companies and here Italy is something that is well known
Wonder why artisanal designers wouldn't be big on showing their faces.
I'd love to hear how buying directly from high fashion designers (not thrifting as you reccomend) is better ethically or socially than buying fast fashion!
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Most designers are making their stock in those same factories with those same labour laws. Perhaps not eco conscious labels but even there it’s a bit ropey.
"I dont want the recognizable stuff"
Tbh I wear mostly retail and I have like three rep items. The reps were bought by accident and tbh I still wear them lol it’s my fault for not properly legit checking but I own up to it when people ask if I wear reps or not.
Part of what got me into sewing was worshiping at the feet of the people who work in the Chanel and Dior ateliers. Which means I'm going to be making my own reps of their classic clothing myself for myself. Which means my personal project for this year is teaching myself tailoring so I can strike a pose in a 'Chanel' 50's suit. Which also means that I bought 'original' Chanel buttons off of ebay; about which I'm still slightly conflicted about because they're probably from the knock-off factory just down the road from the officially designated factory...
- Cathy (&, accidently, Steve), Ottawa/Bytown/Pimisi
where do you buy second hand designer?
Who else misses Bliss old intro music.
Another great informative video.
I only buy rep clothes that I cannot possibly get where I live (whether it’s limited, older, or just straight up not possible to get)
@@PlayingWasted usually limited vetements stuff
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The fact CCP, Deepti, and JAS don't have any images of themselves online is iconic. I think all three of them are notable enough that they must use one of those internet services to remove images of themselves when they get posted. MAYBE Jordan Arthur Smith is so new that the images just simply don't exist, though. I don't know anything this is all conjecture.
Carol has one, I just didn’t want to use it bc
1. it’s mega old and low quality
2. It’s funnier for the meme 😅
I personally wouldn’t wear reps, I don’t see the point. I have spoken to lots of people about this and a lot of them say it’s not a fake flex they just don’t want to spend the money, but there’s no many nice pieces out there for affordable prices why buy something that is poorly made. I also think that when you finally save up for a piece you’ve been wanting for a long time you appreciate the garment so much more.
Its just material items its not that serious, theres no logical sense in “SAVING UP” just to buy a piece of expensive clothing that you’ll only wear a few times … its financially irresponsible
any advice to where i can shop second hand designer brands online?
Yeah, there a bunch of different options. I frequently use TheRealReal, Grailed, Depop, Mercari, even eBay.
@@ryansteeves5823 awesome thanks!!
Labor abuse? Dear sir, just cuz something is designer don't mean it didn't come from a factory where workers aren't being underpaid and/or abused. Your either being intellectually dishonest or just super naive.
So true. There’s even clothes made “In Italy” where the company brings in foreign workers and threatens them with green cards. And if they get caught the workers are deported and the company doesn’t even get fined because they were “unaware.”
Also fast fashion designers are more likely to make more money that high end ones. Unless you’re the head designer.
Bliss does seem to be into smaller brands that probably have more control over manufacturing.
Several luxury brands do have the same problems, though. It’s unfortunately inevitable. Most factories are far away from the store fronts and practices in the factories vary.
I’ve never worked in a luxury clothing store but I do wondered about the experience. Most department stores where I live are lower end. We do have a few boutiques with higher quality clothes that you will pay a pretty penny for (nothing that will completely break the bank). I prefer to do most of my shopping there if possible and I have worked in some boutique stores.
My last retail job was in a low end, somewhat fast fashion department store, and it didn’t last long. The first time I unpacked a shipping crate hundreds of roaches poured out of it. I then had to sort the clothes and discard several items that had the neck and arms sewn completely together.
I walked out of there as fast as my legs could take me.
I did not have that experience unboxing in boutiques.
You (and no one else tbh) guessed the new LV men creative director 🤭
No I didn’t 🤔 all my guesses were wrong haha
The thumbnail mentally prepared me for war
How to authenticate Yohji Yamamoto video asap, plox. Jk, but please. I only know how to LC Rick, and I'm crying
this channel is one of my favorite channels of all time, love learning fashion from a genuine fashion lover
Wow, thank you! Encouragement means a lot to me 😌
Simulacra has been appointed high sign value and the culture of constant consumption without consideration of how this rep garment has come to exist results in mass consumption of rep goods… I think.
Mm shoe > geo is wildddd to me
I buy tons of popular shit I just like your videos and style I don't be giving AF about the greater culture but I get it cuzz I'm a hip-hop fan
What’s SiLlY is you trying to act like these major corporations don’t do the same exact thing
Can confirm dress codes are rooted in misogynistic AND anti-Black. I got so much flack & shame for all the clothes I wanted to wear because they looked halfway decent on me since puberty hit me like a freight train going 300mph, AND all the hairstyles (usually braids) that I wanted to wear since they’re so low maintenance and I was super active in middle & high school were either explicitly banned or strongly implied as a no-go. So. Stupid. And made life unnecessarily hard on so many levels😤 Ironically, the Christian school that I went to for elementary and half of middle school was the most lax with dress code despite the uniforms we had to wear.
maybe dress codes in america
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hypebeasts buy vetements fashion chads buy doublet
sometime reps has better quality than orginal..
I think saying Reps are made in cheap factory’s and are made by childs, is just dump. The same could be said for designer fashion… bbbbut it says made in france. Oh so the zippers are also from france? How do you know those weren’t made by childs?? We all know price doesn’t say anything about quality.
wondering which phone and computer you use
those lithium mines sure arent moraly sound
i'm gonna keep buying my high-end reps 💁🏻♀and if you're not buying the blurred out logo photos on aliexpress and dhgate, then there is certainly reps of "cool" stuff lmao
Theres probably some exceptions but for replicas to exist there has to be a market. Theres no need for replicas if people dont want or know the original hence his point of buying the cool stuff instead. Everything you deem cool there is probably mainstream or known enough for it to have a market.
yes! buying fakes is bad! i read that is coz it takes the jobs away from the original designers and their companies. granted, if they are expensive, like u, i am also ok with living without. but if a design is really cool and i want it bad enough, i have resorted to hacktivising, like vivienne westwood said is ok to do, and encouraged. so, punk all the way, baby! even mcqueen is ok with people home-copying his work. or paying someone to do it for u, but on a special order basis, not factory mode. but yeah, some people in some places feel like they have no other options so they work in sweatshops coz of the destabilized statuses of their countries/cities, so it's really sad. so i guess for those that have the means, don't buy fakes 🙏🏻
To be clear, I wasn’t discouraging anyone from making anything themselves, that’s awesome 💫💫
Wait..'reps'??? Not 'rips'??? (As in rip-offs) Lol didn't know this was a term
Reps for replicas.
I don’t like reps, but I love making bootlegs for my ShoresWorld brand which ig is the same thing but my logo transformed as Homage
lol at the blink 182 joke
Im currently solo traveling in Antwerp as I watch this video. I think the city is my favorite in Europe. Beyond the fashion scene. It is hyper diverse, amazing food, incredibly hip, bursting with creative energy, amazing public transit, walkable, welcoming people, cheaper than Paris/Amsterdam, great clubs, excellent theater / cultural events. AND the only gallery in the world where you can see Martin Margiela's art!!!! Zeno X Gallery. Also there is like 30 museums, many good ones. PLUS it is architecturally unique. Flemish architecture is for the most part only found in Antwerp and two other cities in the north of Belgium.
You think Rick makes the Tommy joggers ever again?
exactly, would never buy reps coz i like being unique...alien superstar
Bad take imo, The factories these shoes are coming out of are the same ones these brands created for there products. If anything the industry of replica shoes is building a market where the exploited have a chance to profit off the conglomerates. If the shoes weren’t crazily over priced in the first place due to oversaturated markets caused by people like you inflating clothing prices by giving this whole idea of “my fans are too cool to wear anything that isn’t personally sewn by John Galliano” maybe we wouldn’t have this issue in the first place.
In the thumbnail for this video, I show a rep that’s pretty clearly not made in the same factory as the original. I imagine you’re talking about sneakers? Could you give a fact-checked news source that talks about the sneakers being made in the same factories? I’ve heard a lot of people talk about this on Reddit but never from an actual news source.
Even if they are made in the same factories, workers staying overnight to make more shoes doesn’t sound like a very “liberating the oppressed” type plan. Sounds more like a factory owner making more money.
@@BlissFoster You can check websites like HighSociety “According to the New York Times, there are Chinese-owned factories in the Italian garment capital of Tuscany where “Chinese laborers work round the clock in some 3,200 businesses making low-end clothes”. If there are replica factories are in Italy made specifically for perfect replicas that don’t even have to say made in china I can’t image what is actually happening there.
@@BlissFoster It also apply a for clothing. I own some rep clothing ranging from terrible copy’s to perfect 1 of 1s and I can guarantee most of the “reps” being sold aren’t even technically reps they are either stolen from the real factory’s or didn’t pass the company’s quality check so they are sold to rep providers.
gonna keep buying rep jordans cause I hate resellers and I love hurting huge greedy corporations like nike 👍
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Hi! I studied at a Catholic school and we had to wear a uniform. As I felt trapped in these clothes, I tried to do everything to “escape” the norms and found subtle ways to vary in a limited but effective way and get out of the box because of it. In the end it helped me to improvise, make the most of all situations and make the best use of my imagination, using it in a practical way.
i have long ass arms too
Groupe Artémis owns Kering Company. Kering owns Gucci, Saint Laurent, Bottega Veneta, Balenciaga, Alexander McQueen, Brioni, Boucheron, Pomellato, DoDo, Qeelin, as well as Kering Eyewear. Volcom used to be owned by them too.
Under capitalism a majority of these clothes are made in the same factory ?
Buy reps, make ur own, customise everything.
Would you say you're interested in "fashion", or high fashion? It doesn't seem to me you're talking much about most people's everyday wear.
We mostly cover storytelling in designer fashion 💫💫
your hulk hogan impressions sound eerily close to anthony fantano's.. it's a little concerning
'there's a time and place for everything' - such time is when I find a nice simply made cotton graphic t-shirt or sweatshirt and the designer wants $1000; I'm paying the rep-man $40 and I'm going about my day after, sorry.
Why not just buy a secondhand designer or vintage shirt?
@@ayao because his style isn't rooted in anything beyond what he saw on the instagram explore page
@@ayao I do. I buy vintage, I buy authentic new and I buy reps. All have their specific benefits for me.
I think the high fashion community is cool but the collective group-think on what is considered gauche or not is kinda risible to me, so I do as I please normally.
@@pureounce.9184 I get that, still think its reasonable how the people that are passionate about fashion are going to act this way torwards people that buy reps. Who else is going to? Doesnt even matter if that hypothetical graphic shirt is worth 1000 usd or not, ripping off someone elses design just because the process of creating this piece isnt worth x amount is bullshit imo.
@@user-rr5lj8nu3n bro who gives a shit, those designers dont care about your well being or your financial status they want to rob you 😂😂😂
I love the talk about schoool uniforms! being a gay kid in a catholic school yall know how it all went hahaha
so now as an adult I will not be silenced haha good talk, Bliss! you’re the fashion friend/ mentor / teacher / idol we need in these times!
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Most likely because we are broke and we do not have enough money to buy the real thing
33 dayum thought you were like 24 tbh
"Real" brand clothing is made in those same factories using the exact same labour. This is what he doesn't want to admit.
What are "real" brands to you?
@@user-rr5lj8nu3n I put that in quotes for a reason. Try to figure it out and then think about where those "legitimate" brands get their clothes made. Focus on the point if you can.
@@nn99nn99 Whats with this non-answer? What I was getting at is that your weird term of "real brand" is incredibly wonky and has absolutely no weight behind it if you dont define it. Are 30$ Nike shirts "real" brand clothes for you? Or only 220$ Rick Owens ones? At what point do you even believe whatever information is on the garment? Because there is info on that for well made clothing. This "all clothes are made the same way" is absolute horseshit. I guarantee you runway pieces arent put together by 3rd world 14 year olds.
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Buying reps is:
1. A horrible financial investment, there is basically 0 resell value with reps unless you try to pass them off as legitimate. Buying the real deal for a good price is a great investment, intelligently doing so almost always results in the ability to get all of your money back or even profit if you are wanting to move on from the piece. So even coming from a financial perspective, reps don't make sense.
2. Contributing to the huge problem of inauthentic pieces being passed off as authentic. I buy and sell clothes for a living, just the mere existence of reps puts the second hand market back so much via the ubiquity of inauthentic items trying to be sold as authentic. Reps are doing real material harm to people including myself, I've been ripped off thousands of dollars due to being given inauthentic garments that were passed off as real. If you're going to buy a rep, just never ever try to sell it off as authentic, don't bring the rest of us down with you.
Buying expensive clothes IS NOT AN INVESTMENT you are lying to yourself , authentic or rep… its an expensive hobby at best but to say its an investment is asinine
any alternative stuff to CCP type shit??
Nope! The whole thing about Carol is all the details: weird fabrics, wild construction, even the flaws. There’s cheapo stuff that looks avant garde I guess but it’s not an alternative. I saw this owning no Carol myself, can’t afford it. And for me, that’s ok 😌
@@BlissFoster yeah.. that's why I asked but u right at all. CCP need some collabs lol
Lol. You’re a rep!
Bill I want to be constructive but also honest, this one is a huge miss (but please read I want to engage in a helpful way).
Reps aren't just a part of the culture and you can't gatekeep them outside of the culture.
Also someone who wishes to be very informed as you should know about the western corporations agenda to misinform the west with high purchasing power to empty their pockets for morally correct clothes. I am not a follower of Žižeks ideas but he points out expertly how the media will tells you you must consume a certain way so you will always living paycheck to paycheck and not be to own property. It's his whole "put on the truth glasses" (his "They Live" scenario) idea.
In fact Chinese and Vietnamese workers who work for their non-foreign knockoff companies are guaranteed much more labour rights with better working conditions and pay (proportional to the price for things in their country) than western "ethical" workers. Also what's often overlooked is that the workers don't work full-time and often own cheap government sold farmland they also profit off.
Meanwhile western corporations use south Asian workforce from Bangladesh and India with no labour laws who often actually die from their poor work environment. Even though they might use Asian workers they will still tell you Chinese or Vietnamese workers do a worse job and have spread the "made in China" myth of low quality.
Also they aren't stealing from designers. In the international world you will have to agree to international competition. You can invent the toaster but someone can still find a way to sell the same quality for cheaper. The only solution for designer brands is to lower their insane prices, keep inventing and rolling out new ideas. Work harder. This would only be positive for the progress of art and fashion. With the abundance it would create you would no longer have trends of high end fashion, everyone could find what's right for them. It would also ensure nobody gets economically f@cked over to express themselves the way they want. Maybe even help to experiment with new materials that the cheaper brands couldn't afford to use because currently there's no noticable difference in quality.
I know it might be hard to change perspective but this is just factual. I know you've been made to think a way but remember which country you live in, America. Its a country of good people but those good people have been brainwashed into consenting to war after war so just think about if your media wouldn't lie to you to sell you a product they make you believe is more ethical when it's opposite. Also I know you love these brands but you have to agree all of the people deserve to express themselves and when the price is too high it isn't just "not the right time for you to buy them". Personally I believe reps can make a positive change.
Anyway I put alot of effort into writing this so I hope you read it all and you may ask any question to me.
To end it on a positive note; your Dalí joke was really funny.
Its like you just found out about zizek and chomsky and wanted to extrapolate absolutely anything you could onto what bliss said in an effort to convince yourself and others that you know what you're talking about. You're like those jordan peterson stans but for the other side. Being dogmatically anti-west doesn't make you sound as smart as you think it does
@@Lauriieton I never wanted to push anything onto what Bliss said. What of what I said is not extremely relevant to the question of reps? Also why do you try to force on me the image of thinking I'm more than I am when you're the one going "actually it's this way" like you know what I meant when you clearly didn't bother to understand.Not very respectful
So in your mind.....a designer that puts his energy, money and time into his work has no right to decide what he charges for his work and even owes it to the world to be affordable because it definitely is one of the necessities of life to dress in full rick even if you are poor. Plus he cant do anything against randos that 1:1 copy his shit and call it a day? I agree with some things you said but this just seems completely ridiculous to me
Also I love you to death Bliss, so I am not trying to call you out, but I think you may be a little off base claiming JAS does almost everything himself? If you go to his website > archive > collection > scroll down > click credits, you can see he does collaborate with others. For example, Laurel (@mothscradle), who you follow has co-founder of JAS in her bio, and images of her sewing what appears to be a JAS garment.
Great point, I should have been more clear. I meant “the clothes are made in house in an atelier either by the designer or directly supervised by the designer”. Jordan has some incredible artisans working with him. Thanks for the correction, I love being corrected 💫💫
@@BlissFoster ily!
The best part about getting an item that is legit is to me not only the clothing I wanted but never forget it’s practically a family. in my mind you are telling me you can go and spend money you got from anyone or u worked your ass off in your 14$hr job just to spend ur biweekly check on a replica of that item… no it’s not the price it’s not the designer to me it’s about people sharing one thing to another you see how well the person before you took care of that item no matter if it’s a 100$ number nine tee you will keep it in Prestige condition because it was earned and worn before you and with reps they get made in a factory and you will never feel the true value to that item unless it’s legit and that’s the truth.
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