Ups & Downs: AEW NJPW Forbidden Door 2024
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Our AEW NJPW Forbidden Door 2024 review as Simon Miller talks about Will Ospreay vs Swerve Strickland for the AEW World Championship, Jon Moxley vs Tetsuya Naito for the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship, The 6 man ladder match for the vacant TNT Championship, Mercedes Mone vs Stephanie Vaquer for the TBS championship and the NJPW Strong Women's Championship, Toni Storm vs Mina Shirakawa for the AEW Women's World Championship, Bryan Danielson vs Shingo Takagi and much more!
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“Mone went for the Bank Statement, but Vaquer had no interest” is such a cold line if you meant it
The matches during zero hour were good too
They were very good. I wish Simon had at least mentioned them. Mariah's victory was pretty important, considering he's predicting she will win the whole tournament.
THIS 💯 💯 💯
Five Zero Hour matches, and so many great ones in the PPV itself - definitely worth the money!
Personally some of the matches should have been on Dynamite
@@ianriggers other than the sabre and ladder matches, yes
The only ppv I buy are AEW.
Putting the belt on swerve was one of AEWs best decisions ever
Which isn't saying much!
Really want Hangman to take it from him because if Bryan wins the tournament, he's losing to Swerve at All In.
@@KK-qs2kq i think its still swerve vs ospreay at all in as putting the biggest title on him would be better
@@KK-qs2kq no more hangman in main event , he not top tier main eventer. He entertaining but not as main event.
Swerve is one the best in the whole business and he beat one the BEST ever in the business. Was great !!!!
@@ronald-xs7sp Look how bitter and jealous you are. Sad!
If the blue thunder bomb isn't going to ever pin anyone at least do it the way Takeshita did it!
They may not win with it, but they can try to kill you with it. 😂
How could u forget to mention the swerve stop on the announcement table that was a brutal spot
If a match deserves a golden up, it deserves it! If a card is so good that it has multiple, so be it. It just means that PPV is a must-see.
Shout-out to Mark Briscoe for turning himself into Laddercopter.
I was there and I thought the way that the New York crowd turned on Mercedes so fast because we remembered that she's from Boston and we hate Boston was the funniest thing ever
some other people saying because the fans don't like her.. smh they have no idea the hate of NYC and BOS lol
@@rezsurfer2808 Then why is Money getting poor reactions outside of New York? HINT: Because she has been CRAP in AEW so far!
@@Deadguy2322forrealjust in AEW?
She's hasn't been good since her NXT Days lmao
When Swerve Strickland kicked out of Stormbreaker...mannnnn 😮😮😮 one of the MOST protected finishing moves in all of pro wrestling btw...MANNNNN LFG 🔥🔥🔥🤯🤯🤯 what a brilliant match and a great PPV. Thank you, TK, for bringing Mexico into Forbidden Door as well 👏 👏 👏 big kudos!!!!
Almost every finisher is protected until a wrestler gets to AEW. Then their finisher will get kicked out of in every PPV match they compete in. 😂
@@PontiacBandit902 this is just true of all wrestling promotions at the moment, even indie and japan and mexico. if people didnt cheer for it, it wouldnt be done. so obviously enough of the audience is fine with it
@PontiacBandit902 Provide some examples for the classroom because I literally don't think that you understand which finishers are protected in the way that I'm describing here, mate 🤔🤨
@@empower5228 You clearly didn't watch the show last night then. Every match had someone kick out of someone's finisher. Finishers should be kicked out of in rare circumstances. In AEW it happens so much that I honestly never believe a match is over when someone hits their finisher the first time. So maybe last night was rare for Osprey, but I guarantee it will become routine in his PPV matches from now on. What makes things exciting, usually, is the rarity in which something happens.
Why was TK being attacked by the Bucks & Perry exciting? Because TK hardly gets involved on screen.
@@michaelstevens230 He kicked out of two House Calls and THREE Swerve Stomps (including the one on the ANNOUNCE TABLE), so it's only fair, really...
What a great PPV! Swerve v Ospreay was a match of the year candidate. Mercedes v Vacquer was great too! DMD coming back too 🔥
Since when did 2+2=4??? I thought it equaled POTATO 🥔
It does when story elements don't make sense
you didnt listen very well
I was here for Toni/Mina and the main event. And boy, was I satisfied. Great show.
Swerve vs Osprey was 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 idc what anyone says, Swerve is the most entertaining world champion in all of wrestling rn
u know the ee fans will say it was basic.
@@rezsurfer2808Of course they will 🤦
Impressed that you called it the 'Fargo strut' instead of Flair. Most people don't know that decades ago, Ric Flair came to Nashville and saw the Jackie Fargo strut...and stole it.
Fargo also used to let someone pin him and tap his opponent on the back like the referee does at the 2 count and just crack up when the opponent started jumping around like he'd won. Jackie was one of a kind.
I attended last night. arena was mostly full except the top section and scattered seats here and there. it was a long night with non-stop matches from pre-show to 12:00 ending. everyone got a reaction but with such a long show the intensity was in short bursts. MJF was super over and it was a good match to open but without any reason to care, it was just there. acclaimed and okada/EVPs were over. Danielson has the best entrance music and everyone yessed. the spot on the floor where he 'injured' his neck was pretty brutal but he just miraculously healed. orange sabre was amazing, both are super athletic. it looked like sabre didn't know what hold to use so he used all of them at once. jericho's match could absolutely be cut. last time at worlds end right we sang judas and then he got crapped on. this time, while he got bood and just retire, he was mostly over (i have no idea how he does it) just by waiving hi! ladder shmoz was nuts, I AM THE TABLE! Mercedes was a very good match, maybe a bit too long given we all knew the outcome but i feel she needed that match to avoid being a 'wwe star paid alot and does nothing'. a lot of vocal ceo fans but the longer it went the more steph got over. steph is super good and i could see her as a champ in either aew or wwe. ceo/baker feud is gonna be insane. was excited for mox but it was meh because 1) it was in a dead zone after a long, heated womans match 2) we knew mox was losing 3) there wasn't much in-match story 4) no mox bleeding lol. Osprey is the best wrestler on the planet and he absolutely made swerve (who'se massively over) look legit as a champ. the match had an great pace, the initial big, fast spots got popped, there were lulls but at the end the roof came off for the false finishes. the story that osprey wouldn't shank nana and lost because of that/he was distracted by callos gives him a way out. aew absolutely has to keep osprey at the top but no one was more over than swerve.
Hechicero has so many submissions i never seen before is incredible!!.... and... ZSJ countering OC's Mousetrap with another submission lock which i have no idea what it was ..GOD those two matches were awesome!!
You're right about that OC/ZSJ finish! I thought it at the time live & Simon confirmed it, Sabre won with a submission on EVERY LIMB. That's crazy!
@@mazsax999 i never seen that kind of lock before lol absolutely mindblowing
@@ElMundoDeHadesOK Between that & Swerve's stomp onto Will on the announce table were my 2 biggest OMFG moments
@@mazsax999 those who know Will, know he's at the TOP of the wrestling chain with the likes of swerve, kenny omega, Okada... that's PERSONALLY the wrestling i enjoy the most but... WOW.. how technical OC can get AND ZSJ ..CHEF'S KISS
@@ElMundoDeHadesOK I tend to love athletic chain wrestling of many types. Tight, snug locks & holds, with flares of athletic moves & impact.
Danielson, Pac, Swerve, AJ, Andrade, Malekai, Balor currently. Obviously OGs like, Eddie, Malenko, Tazz, Mr. Perfect....
Zack vs Orange ruled and Britt is back. Hopefully, Mone vs Britt will be very personal and compelling feud. And the Main Event was just Banger as always and don't forget that Awesome Blue Thunderbomb by Takeshita.
THIS 💯💯💯
Britt vs Mone will be a pee-break feud. Definitely not worth watching. Mone has been an absolute bust in AEW and looked like she had no business being in the same ring with Vaquer, especially after multiple legitimately great women's matches earlier in the night.
@Deadguy2322forreal Stephanie Vaquer is on another level, mate, and she is well-versed in a style of lucha libre that Mercedes Moné has only just recently delved into. Plus, you can tell that Mercedes hasn't fully adjusted to life after her latest injuries, so instead of simply staying away, she chose to get in the ring and put eyes on Stephanie in America using her own star power. Not only was that very generous of her, but it's almost certainly going to lead to TK signing Stephanie to a cross-promotional contract, which he likes to do with all of his international talents (ie. Rush, Riho, Jamie Hayter, Kyle Fletcher, etc.) Does this make Mercedes look good? Not at all lol but she's doing something that she said that she would do (yet couldn't while she was in WWE). Next up, she will be going to war with one of the most captivating storytellers in AEW via Britt Baker, who's every bit her equal with less time in the business. Please try not to shit on just because YOU think it's not going to be worthwhile. These are the kinds of feuds and matches that will make AEW big money 💰 and let's be real here...they absolutely need it right now 💯
A+ tier PPV. The only bad match is Naito vs. Moxley
And it wasnt bad.. just not as good as the others
@@andrewclayterman6230 Not even that, it was just slower and more deliberate than most expected from those two.
Agree, although Naito-Moxley was lackluster, it would’ve been perfectly fine on other shows. The bar for AEW ppvs is exceptionally high.
I knew Swerve is a great wrestler but I didn't believe he could keep up with Osprey so effortlessly and smoothly.
u should watch his Lucha matches then... He is top tier wrestling. He was held back and watered down in other places.
@@rezsurfer2808 agreed.
If that is the case, you didn't know ANYTHING about Swerve. Now you know.
This show was the sh*t. AEW PPVs rarely miss.
This show got me all warm and fuzzy on my tum tum
Stop 😂
AEW is incredible , And gets better every show , Thanks Tony .
If someone from wwe watched that, they’ll offer vaquer you’d hope. Aew better get ahead of that and offer her. She would be one of the top 3 workers on the female side in aew immediately. Her vs Toni storm would be a clinic. The mystique as well, if she doesn’t speak just crushes people. All of it gold. She would be over in aew immediately. She is what the aew fans want. Her Lucha skills are incredible and she’s tough. Sign her aew! Don’t let her pop up in nxt!
and shes very attractive and a great member to the aew butt hall of fame!
I liked her a lot and hope she is on AEW again. Glad to see Britt Baker back as well. Hopefully this means Jaime Hayter is back soon as she is easily a superstar. Not to mention Camille is signed with AEW as well. Getting there folks.
Vaquer would be utterly wasted in WWE, the land of models who can't work a match to save their lives and the Samoan Grimace.
@@Deadguy2322forreal she’s going
I feel like the pre-show should have been part of this. Penta, Fenix and Mistico was wild
*Mistico
Thanks for the review Simon ❤️
"Frog of the splashes" actually made me cry 😂😂😂
Chanting ‘Celtics Suck!’ in New York is not ‘niche’. The NBA Finals were less than two weeks ago. It’s an American thing that makes sense to an American audience. Not ‘niche’, just not for you
We got a Simon Miller Hawk TUAH before GTA VI
Simon, when are you going to join the Learning Tree? Being Mr. Positive, you'd do well being a branch and they need help, especially with Murder Grandpa calling Jericho out
Swerve getting that win is simply SPECTACULAR!!!!!
As someone who doesn’t follow New Japan, but knows who the people are (thanks AEW), I gotta say I just adore Okada 😂😂😂
I wish the entrance in aew pay-per-views were different from the main shows as well as effects
They are for the bigger PPVs, but with how jammed the lineup for FD was, they didn't really have time for big production entrances.
I have to be a negative Nancy here and disagree with Simon. I do think Naito vs Mox was bad. Like, it won't take anything from their legendary careers but everyone has bad days at the office. Nothing wrong with admiting that.
This is probably an unpopular opinion but I don't think Mercedes has lived up to the hype. A bunch of mediocre promos and, what, 4 or 5 matches and she already has 2 belts? Feels too much like they've just been given to her and not enough like she's actually earned them. Honestly, I feel like she took them both from more deserving champions. The Title for Title match was incredible but at the end I felt like Stephanie had put on a much better show and the wrong woman had the belts.
Mercedes was supposed to elevate the AEW Women's division but I'd argue that Toni, Mariah, Willow, Deonna and Thunder Rosa have all done more to elevate the division than Mercedes has so far.
I completely agree they are pushing her to the moon I hope they let britt take the title off her I doubt it though
Agree that it hasn’t quite lived up to the hype and that vecura was the better wrestler, but Moné’s matches have been excellent. We want her to be 10/10 and she’s 9/10. So our disappointment has clouded over the fact that 9/10 is still really damn good😁
I was there live and the crowd completely turned on her. Everything she did they booed and kept yelling about how bad she was. I’m not sure how it came over the broadcast the whole time but it was pretty intense. And it wasn’t like heel booing. It was we want you to go away booing.
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but nothing she's done post NXT has really clicked for me. I mean she's not bad either on the mic or in the ring but... I just don't really feel it.
@@stitesshe’s trash
People keep dissing orange cassidy cus of his gimmick but he is great and i enjoy every match he is in dude is awesome.and he can go!!
i never seen why also, but his talent is great. The gimmick is still Eh.
I'm sad that I missed this show as Danielson vs Takagi sounds like one of the most brutal non-deathmatch matches anyone could book.
Simon give yourself a Golden Up and keep smashing it.
I swear Simon, you crack me the F@#$ UP!!!! LOVE ur sense of humor!!!! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣
ZSJ & OC: What's the finish
TK: A pretzel
whatever the heck that was, i had never ever seen it before and it was ABSOLUTELY FKN MINDBENDING
I'm happy Toni Storm retained the AEW Women's Championship, but I'm sad that neither her or Mina Shirakawa took full custody of Mariah May.
Maybe they'll keep going and get to a Mariah May on a pole match.
@@PhotonBeast On a forklift, dude, on a forklift.
@@jkausti6737 Ah, yes, my bad!
IMHO Shingo should have won, but that's probably just me. They did make good decicion with Mina, Tony and Mariah though, as they didn't go for the predictable "someone betrays someone" story. And when did Zack get some meat on those bones? I mean I haven't really seen him in two years or so, but he's really got some filling compared to the skinny boy he was before.
Zack's style is akin to boxing sparring training or martial arts demonstrations/exhibitions; he uses willing co-operative participants to demonstrate what could be used as real competitive submission holds...
You’ve seen JEFF today , he can KILL US ALL 😂🤣
Swerve showed me alot. He would have been wasted in WWE.
Jim Jones 😂😂😂😂😂
OC vs ZSJ was so good. While OC is my favourite AEW star, I also agree that NJPW need to get some wins from these events or every match becomes a foregone conclusion.
I was waiting for this man's review
I was at the event. Atmosphere was fucking amazing!
It was a restaurant quality PPV.
Other than the main event, my favorite match is probably ZSJ vs Orange. I get that some people may not like Orange or his gimmick, but it was awesome to see him go toe to toe with Zack and keep up
and the ending was that OC made one mistake and zack got him
10/10 ppv
So all the AEW haters all kept saying "Swerve is keeping the belt warm for Ospreay" know what are they gonna say.. Forbidden Door IMO is just another chapter in AEW being the "PPV Kings of Wrestling"
Frog of the Splashes? Splash of the Frogs, Simon. Splash of the Frogs 😂❤
Spashfrog!
As a guy who’s never seen a Stephanie Vaquer match before, I’m completely won over. She absolutely CARRIED that match - I knew Mone was gonna win but I was still audibly angry when she did LOL
The original wwe hardboyz music is a public domain song
Naito did WHAT to Jon Moxley? 21:59
Oh you asked what we thought. I’d say 8/10 typical aew super quality ppv and not really finishing any main storylines with the involvement of njpw and CMLL. That being said, much like other FD ppvs, fans saw some insane quality in the other two promotions and will yearn to have their performers similar to jay white/will/deonna/okada. We want Vaquer and I would be shocked if aew doesn’t eventually get her. It does beckon though why these two promotions want to do these seeing as aew will take their top talent eventually like they did to njpw and tna. Amazing show, cmll has some quality that the American fanbase loves. Similar to when Ecw/wcw showcased Mexico and Japan’s best. Love that aew does this and you can tell it’s for the fans who just love wrestling in any variety. Big up to the show. Sign Vaquer lol don’t let her even fly back 😂
Saying typical makes it sound like you wasn't liking it... There PPV shows are the best.
@@rezsurfer2808 haha greatness from aew is typical ✊🏼
@@tonyosorio4253 lol I was more teasing but i hear you and knew what you had meant. lol but yeah it was Typical great show.
great review for a great show
Boy, Simon has gotten massive. Looking real jacked baby.
Dude was always massive
Simon has always been a big swole bald idiot and we ❤ him.
@@mistamaog He IS a wrestler, remember; that's why he can never bring himself to criticise them to the rest of the "wrestling internet's" standards. He knows how hard what they do truly is...
Mark perry 😂😂😂
I was gonna say it!
My girlfriend isn't a massive wrestling fan, but she knows that I love Will Osprey, so when I told her he was challenging for the world championship she asked to watch the match with me.
Even her, who only knows the basics of wrestling from what I've told her, saw the match and very much enjoyed it.
Simon said hawk tuhing 😂😂
You used the "Rom-Com" analogy for OC/ZSJ, and not Toni/Mariah/Mina?
Naito repeatedly whacking Jon with the padding from Barry Jr. was an indication of where his head is nowadays, especially on US PPVs; like he's adopted Yano and Takahashi's gimmicks...
Knowing how many wrestlers do actually watch/listen to Whatculture wrestling, I’m not surprised the bitch counter went up massively 😂😂😂
I think the PPV was pretty good. Not the best but no where near the worst FD.
Extremely rare Simon Miller L saying that Moxley vs Naito was a disappointment. That shit was an utter slobberknocker. Not the craziest match on the card by any stretch, but god it was just a satisfying watch imo. There's something to be said for Mox being built up so strong that losing a regular match clean feels a little out of place, I guess? But also, Naito IS a multi-time world champ for a reason. He's one of those dudes that CAN go toe-to-toe with Mox and have a clean, normal win feel legitimate.
Naw he was right .. there was something missing
I would normally agree on the ol' Bitch Counter, but Max was clearly going at Okada's recent adoption of the word.
Honestly, he's usually more creative with his crudeness....but I think he's just DONE with the Elite lol
Forbidden Door has never been my favorite PPV but I thought all the matches were at least fun. I really like that there was more then one 10 minute woman's "lets get this over with quick so we can focus back on them men bathroom break" match. All the the womens matches were really good especially the continued story of Toni Storm and Mariah May which is about to enter its "everything is inexplicably going wrong for Toni Storm" chapter.
I know it's not as popular specifically in Britain, but a celtics based chant directed at a bostonian less than a month after they win the nba championship isn't a particularly niche reference. 11.2 million people watched the nba finals globally. The number for forbidden door was reported at 429 thousand.
I watched over a couple of nights as I couldn’t watch live but had seen the knob jockeys online saying the crowd was dead. What were they watching? There were a lot of big pops and huge reaction for the return of DMD. Another fantastic show, up there with Revolution as the best so far this year.
It needs to be said that Orange Cassidy should be in the mentions for best wrestler. He can have great matches with everyone, keeps up and matches up with the names for "best wrestler" eveytime and does all the styles all while keeping the lazy gimmick going. He won't get the credit but he should
Shinsuke Nakamura to aew is inevitable and will become their biggest star from New Japan to come over from WWE ever laugh at me you won't somebody will agree with me secretly in their hearts
Man all we need is Darby & Omega back & AEW will be back! AEW have a little momentum please keep doing what your doing TK! It’s cool to hate on AEW these days but that’s ok cuz when there back on top it’s going to feel so good!
Pastiche Niche “pronounced original 🇫🇷 standard 🏴 weird 🇺🇸💀
Simon, an NBA-related chant is anything but niche in New York. It is like a soccer-related chant breaking out at a UK show.
Nah this is the best Jericho gimmick in a few years. I thought he had something with Kenny for a second, but he's really been struggling for traction. Keith getting injured is going to suck.
Aew fight forever will probably be scrapped certain things work in that game in certain things didn't but it is a good star for a development of a new game just don't tell the fans it will cause peer pressure always a fan fingers crossed for the second resurgent of aew games
SIMON IS THE BEST, SIMON NUMBER ONE 👏👏
MISTERAH CAM-ER-A MAN.. ZOOOOOMM!!!
My fellow bald brother prediction is after Mariah May wins Jamie Hayter returns to a ginormous pop to reclaim her belt hopefully by revolution next March to give it time to tell a great story
"He just does not only weird things with his own body but weird things to other people's bodies."
PAUSE!
Simon in my personal opinion there should be room for two in rare cases but it should only be rare cases where it's deserving of two golden UPS
That whole ppv was incredible
It was way too long and the crowd were weary for some matches. The Mox match, I didnt enjoy and the rest was on fire. OC match was a highlight
September 2023 for Britt, Simon. Not "over a year"; she was at All In London last August, remember?
Really hope they let Baker win the belt... and soon!!
Why is TK allergic to giving Takeshita gold? i don't get it, he is one of your best wrestlers by faar...
That was the most devastating Least Devastating Move in Sports Entertainment I've ever seen, and it STILL didn't win!
Great video Brother 👍. Best regards from the Dominican Republic 🇩🇴.
AEW PPVs are always worth the money. Always top tier shows!
Greatest ppv ever comments incoming. Prepare yourselves. It happens everytime aew has a mid ppv.
Dude, you ok? Havent watched your vids for a while and now youre looking a bit 'soft'
He said b*tch seven times because that's the only english word Okada knows
Really you didn’t think you’d see bill vs shibata they’re both been in aew over a year now
JVC era Arsenal is the best era of the Gunners 🤙
since Barry died maybe his son took over, Barry Barricade Junior, he was a barricade on the indy scene and got the call up
unfortunately The Acclaimed resorted to lip syncing
Mone doesn't deserve being in the samering as Stephanie.
16:40 did anyone else catch that botch by Simon 😂😂