"Sometimes the best place to serve is where you don't feel gifted.. , just get in there and serve.. you learn who you are and who you aren't and you just learn to serve" joyfully!
Thank you guys! Bill & Kris you should definitely write a book together on the topic. It’s much needed. The best I’ve read so far is from Derek Prince but it would be amazing and such a blessing to have something for this season and time especially on how to work together. Blessings from Switzerland 🇨🇭
Thank you so much. As I was waking this morning, I clearly heard "Listen to Bill Johnson." I saw a document with 5 circles of different colors at the bottom. I also saw a group of five people seated in my home. It was awesome! I Googled "Bill Johnson five" and found this. Thank you God for thus divine appointment. The church is full of insecurity regarding opening up the five -fold. Praise God for you men who are leading us. God bless you!
Great word and teaching! Just joined a revival culture where it is strongly prophet-led, so I am seeking a healthy structure. Have also been part of Pastor or Teacher led churches and are disappointed in their limitations, usually having to do with their personalities. Kris, thanks so much. A word of advice for hosting a pod cast - let your guests talk more. .
My wife and I have come to really appreciate Bethel and Bill Johnson. We have been watching his preaching for almost 2 years via UA-cam. Thank you for making your services available for us to learn and prosper. Please attach microphones so the conversations could be better understood. I love the setting and the atmosphere, looking forward to the next program.
Thanks for your wisdom. I'm amazed at how God just gives me the education I need. And I'm not surprised it's you. I always saw you as an Apostle but never called you that because of not my experience with people not being comfortable with titles. So this was an ahha moment for me about you Apostle Bill. Blessings
Looking forward to the School of Apostles. Only one Ministry I know of doing this. All the focus is on Prophets which is confusing to Apostles. Right now everyone is called Pastors. Which is not true and adds to confusion established also my Babylonian Govt.
Last year my pastor kicked me and my family (parents, sisters, brother in law) out of our church. We are now planting a church and see how God is with us. We are not in a church union right now, but have friendship with many people in all sorts of denominations. I know I am called to ministry, but it is hard to evolve alone, being not part of a denomination, but at the same time, God sends people to confirm his calling when it is needed. 😅 Very interesting times...
I know im asking the wrong place but does someone know a tool to get back into an Instagram account?? I somehow lost my login password. I would appreciate any assistance you can give me!
This was a great format, and lots of excellent insight! Thanks so much for making and sharing it, Kris, and thanks for your wisdom, Bill! I have the video with Chris O waiting in my watch list, and I'm looking forward to the rest of this series, too.
Thank you kris....I've lways wanted to see what a conversation between you to would look like....totally amazing....if you dont see the heart of these two mighty men of good ....your not looking at them with a heavenly lens.....this is such a blessing ....
Amen! God is restoring the offices of Apostles and Prophets in the body of Christ! Thank you for standing courageously and boldly upon the word of God!
Not coming against anything but I’m in a season that God has opened my eyes to see things that I once believed but is not biblical. I’m studying the scriptures on everything, so could you give me the scriptures that says there’s 25 apostles & 1 women and other scriptures besides Eph 4 that support your discussion. Just 3 or 4 witness scripts
I felt like this was a very good introduction to the fivefold and it was awesome to hear from the different perspectives. I hope this is not where this stops because I don’t feel like it has uncapped the fullness of the five fold. I am hopeful that this is the catalyst to a full and rich training or revelation of the beauty of the five fold working in community and honor.
Wowww! It’s so refreshing to see two great leaders exchanging conversation 😊 I’ve learned so much from both of you! With the help of your teachings (and God’s revelation), I’ve learned that my heart burns for the function of a pastor (bec I feel a great burden when I see people, esp the youth of our small ministry, not living out the fullness of their identity and potential in God) and the function of an evangelist (I have a burden to let everyone in my life know the reality of God’s kingdom through Jesus). But I’m still figuring out if the function of an evangelist really is for me, because I don’t like to talk in stages (though I have no problem talking with people I don’t know) and I prefer to share Jesus one person at a time and then follow up on them if they need any help in coming closer to Him. But I believe I’ll find out in a few years 😊 Your ministry is such a blessing to the earth! God bless you both and the whole ministry team with a double portion of His blessings! If I could request: Can you talk more about the role of the five-fold ministry (through the Holy Spirit) in manifesting the fullness of God’s kingdom on earth 🌏 ? - love from the Philippines 🇵🇭 ❤️
I want to do things in the kingdom of God. I was a tarot reader, I was practicing witchcraft and Jesus saved me. I’ve been obedient thus far. I don’t care about a title I just want to serve! I don’t know what to do or where to start.
As a pastor, can I encourage you to grow in the Lord. Read the word and apply it into your life. Surround yourself with strong, mature Christians. Find a good church and begin small. Be happy to serve and your roots will go down deep. You will become mature and your gifts will be used to build up others. I pray that you will stand strong for the long term in Jesus. Be blessed and be a blessing!
Stephen Eaves I have been. I’ve been doing it since Jan of 2020. I’ve been fasting, reading the Bible (could always do it more!!) I found a church I absolutely love and I attend. I pray constantly sometimes in the spirit but even if I don’t pray for a long time I just talk to God throughout the day. Can’t wait to meet likeminded friends though!! I had to stop talking to my friends they are witches and warlocks.
Paul said Jesus appeared to him, so the same applies today. Christ Jesus has appeared in my waking dreams and there have been many other manifestations, day visions, people praying at that same time to the visions purpose. I would be of course the least of all of these. Good work you two! Oh, how hard would it be to stand with out toes.
Another good point to note about Paul is the way that the Holy Spirit specifically called out both him and Barnabus in a corporate meeting, for the purpose of apostolic and evangelistic work (I believe it is in Acts 13 or close to there). So he was called out by God not just personally but also corporately.
Wish I could hit the like button 200 times over!! Love love love love love love love these guys!! Did I say...I really love this Bethel family!! Thank You Jesus!!
It seems to me that there is a bunch of material for people being called to the prophetic, evangelistic, pastoral ministry. But I have trouble finding videos and courses on the apostolic ministry...
Q: With regard to function, aren't you guys talking about the difference between someone walking in a deaconate service role in the 5-fold Ministry and the episcopal rule based primarily on relationship with a local pastor/congregation?
Amen. Working in Weakness. Agree with Service. Kris, Apostles don’t want to be in a position of man pleasing. God will remove an Apostle if the people are controlling them.
I absolutely loved this talk... it was so full of wisdom. Thank you so much..... secondly would any of these teachings be available anywhere else? Written down so we can maybe teach on it at another time with our teams?
Another aspect... some just want to be trained up in who they are? People need to know who they are. Where do Apostles get trained? Where do Prophets get trained? Thankfully, we have online because the 1-fold ministry is not Biblical. Pastors can’t raise up Apostles and Prophets. They have influence but can’t really relate to them. So it’s been awkward all the way around. I pray for Divine Order and the Apostles and Prophets be spiritual moms abs fathers to next generation because they will want to pour themselves out to give what we had to learn without spiritual mothers and fathers
Apostle? He has seen Christ? Paul saw and heard Christ not only once. So the people who say that apostles are those whom have seen Christ may well be correct unless Mr Johnson is saying he has seen Christ. Does that mean all the people who claim to have gone to heaven and seen the Lord are apostles? Apostles transform a realm is that what he said? How is Redding these days has it been transformed since Bethel opened up shop? Churches full every sunday, bars closed, sickness banished, crime free, no divorces etc etc.
And there lies your deception. Bill stated that you must have the desire for this function. Nothing about God giving us those gifts. It’s nothing that can be bought and taught through a school of supernatural ministry. That’s trying to purchase the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Again they always talk about life today, and NOT what will soon take place for those who are true believers - THE RAPTURE - they also do not preach about the signs we as christians should look for, and they are actually taking place right now all over the world, and also the signs taking place in Israel. I am chocked that they keep on speaking about apostles and other stuff which the NAR movements prefers to teach about. They also never use words like SIN and salvation. They never preach about the time of tribulation, and the temple about to be build in Jerusalem. To me that is a sign that they to not afirm the Bible 100% but only pick and choose.
Well, it is rejected bc of people like you who do not know what they are talking about. No church congregation has to have a 5 fold ministry calling to it. The PAstor is over the church. Another thing that lets me know you don't know is 'no person has the gift of prophecy. It is as the Holy Spirit wills by the direction of the Lord. I hope you are not talking about grace gift of prophecy in Rom.12: bc that has nothing to do with prophecy or the prophetic ministry. But the gift itself belongs to the Prophets office. The office is anointed and the man or prophet is called to it. That just means the gifts of th Spirit that are associated with that office will operate for the person who claims to be called to the office. To be an Apostle you must have special faith and discerning of spirits I believe. But what is confusing people is those who are in the pulpit calling themselves all kinds of crap like Bishop. Ther is no ministry gift calling for a Bishop. They are even misinterpreting its use. The problem with everyone is that they do not know God. Just people say God this sand that does not mean a thing. People say that who do not understand that the day the Lord said you can say that is when the Patyr' says to you, this day have I begotten you.
Apostle Bill Johnson. Prophet Kris Valloton the Apsotles made no provision for continuation of apostles. Read the word, The apostles set up elders at churches. Your teaching on this is divergent
Cry out to God for where your heart burns
"Sometimes the best place to serve is where you don't feel gifted.. , just get in there and serve.. you learn who you are and who you aren't and you just learn to serve" joyfully!
Thank you guys! Bill & Kris you should definitely write a book together on the topic. It’s much needed. The best I’ve read so far is from Derek Prince but it would be amazing and such a blessing to have something for this season and time especially on how to work together. Blessings from Switzerland 🇨🇭
Where did Joseph fail to land up in prison ? And don’t know of one sin in his life?
Thank you so much. As I was waking this morning, I clearly heard "Listen to Bill Johnson." I saw a document with 5 circles of different colors at the bottom. I also saw a group of five people seated in my home. It was awesome! I Googled "Bill Johnson five" and found this. Thank you God for thus divine appointment. The church is full of insecurity regarding opening up the five -fold. Praise God for you men who are leading us. God bless you!
Great word and teaching! Just joined a revival culture where it is strongly prophet-led, so I am seeking a healthy structure. Have also been part of Pastor or Teacher led churches and are disappointed in their limitations, usually having to do with their personalities. Kris, thanks so much. A word of advice for hosting a pod cast - let your guests talk more.
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My wife and I have come to really appreciate Bethel and Bill Johnson. We have been watching his preaching for almost 2 years via UA-cam.
Thank you for making your services available for us to learn and prosper. Please attach microphones so the conversations could be better understood. I love the setting and the atmosphere, looking forward to the next program.
I just love the two of you together. Sweetest relationship. And oh how much you feed me. Thank you.
The path to promotion was the pit and the prison.. Great section on the danger of self promotion.
Well said Bill on One right Pastor than 5 commercial pastor.
John the Baptist. He didn't know his title but he knew his function. His assignment. "I am a voice.. "
Thank you for being part of the Lord's team for equipping His church. Awesome sessions.
I’ve been mediating on Ephesians 4 all week. This is confirmation.
Hallelujah! God is speaking - He is restoring the Five-fold ministry to the body of Christ!
Thanks for your wisdom. I'm amazed at how God just gives me the education I need. And I'm not surprised it's you. I always saw you as an Apostle but never called you that because of not my experience with people not being comfortable with titles. So this was an ahha moment for me about you Apostle Bill. Blessings
So good and helpful. Love the relationship and humility.
Looking forward to the School of Apostles. Only one Ministry I know of doing this. All the focus is on Prophets which is confusing to Apostles.
Right now everyone is called Pastors. Which is not true and adds to confusion established also my Babylonian Govt.
41 years!!!!! I LOVE YOUUUU. From Kwara State, Nigeria.
Last year my pastor kicked me and my family (parents, sisters, brother in law) out of our church. We are now planting a church and see how God is with us. We are not in a church union right now, but have friendship with many people in all sorts of denominations. I know I am called to ministry, but it is hard to evolve alone, being not part of a denomination, but at the same time, God sends people to confirm his calling when it is needed. 😅 Very interesting times...
Love these 2 men
So good! Thats awesome Kris. I'll be watching this a few times. There's a lot to unpack and process! Thank you!
I know im asking the wrong place but does someone know a tool to get back into an Instagram account??
I somehow lost my login password. I would appreciate any assistance you can give me!
@Fox Braydon Instablaster =)
This was a great format, and lots of excellent insight! Thanks so much for making and sharing it, Kris, and thanks for your wisdom, Bill! I have the video with Chris O waiting in my watch list, and I'm looking forward to the rest of this series, too.
Thank you kris....I've lways wanted to see what a conversation between you to would look like....totally amazing....if you dont see the heart of these two mighty men of good ....your not looking at them with a heavenly lens.....this is such a blessing ....
Amen! God is restoring the offices of Apostles and Prophets in the body of Christ! Thank you for standing courageously and boldly upon the word of God!
Not coming against anything but I’m in a season that God has opened my eyes to see things that I once believed but is not biblical. I’m studying the scriptures on everything, so could you give me the scriptures that says there’s 25 apostles & 1 women and other scriptures besides Eph 4 that support your discussion. Just 3 or 4 witness scripts
Very useful and full of wisdom! Thank you for sharing this with us.
We can hear you whispering!!! Behind the camera
Love both your sermons always... from Singapore
I felt like this was a very good introduction to the fivefold and it was awesome to hear from the different perspectives. I hope this is not where this stops because I don’t feel like it has uncapped the fullness of the five fold. I am hopeful that this is the catalyst to a full and rich training or revelation of the beauty of the five fold working in community and honor.
wow! you two are the evidence that apostles and prophets still exist! thank you for this!
Amen! God is restoring Apostles & Prophets in the body of Christ now! Hallelujah!
truly, they aren’t. bill & kris are evidence of the antichrist leading many into the great apostasy.
Wowww! It’s so refreshing to see two great leaders exchanging conversation 😊 I’ve learned so much from both of you!
With the help of your teachings (and God’s revelation), I’ve learned that my heart burns for the function of a pastor (bec I feel a great burden when I see people, esp the youth of our small ministry, not living out the fullness of their identity and potential in God) and the function of an evangelist (I have a burden to let everyone in my life know the reality of God’s kingdom through Jesus).
But I’m still figuring out if the function of an evangelist really is for me, because I don’t like to talk in stages (though I have no problem talking with people I don’t know) and I prefer to share Jesus one person at a time and then follow up on them if they need any help in coming closer to Him. But I believe I’ll find out in a few years 😊
Your ministry is such a blessing to the earth! God bless you both and the whole ministry team with a double portion of His blessings!
If I could request: Can you talk more about the role of the five-fold ministry (through the Holy Spirit) in manifesting the fullness of God’s kingdom on earth 🌏 ?
- love from the Philippines 🇵🇭 ❤️
Hi. I'm from Nigeria. Thank you soo much for posting this. It clarifies so much and it's soo helpful. Love you brother sir (lol)
I want to do things in the kingdom of God. I was a tarot reader, I was practicing witchcraft and Jesus saved me. I’ve been obedient thus far. I don’t care about a title I just want to serve! I don’t know what to do or where to start.
As a pastor, can I encourage you to grow in the Lord. Read the word and apply it into your life. Surround yourself with strong, mature Christians. Find a good church and begin small. Be happy to serve and your roots will go down deep. You will become mature and your gifts will be used to build up others. I pray that you will stand strong for the long term in Jesus. Be blessed and be a blessing!
Stephen Eaves I have been. I’ve been doing it since Jan of 2020. I’ve been fasting, reading the Bible (could always do it more!!) I found a church I absolutely love and I attend. I pray constantly sometimes in the spirit but even if I don’t pray for a long time I just talk to God throughout the day. Can’t wait to meet likeminded friends though!! I had to stop talking to my friends they are witches and warlocks.
Stephen Eaves and thank you so much for the advice 🥰🥰❤️❤️
Paul said Jesus appeared to him, so the same applies today. Christ Jesus has appeared in my waking dreams and there have been many other manifestations, day visions, people praying at that same time to the visions purpose. I would be of course the least of all of these. Good work you two! Oh, how hard would it be to stand with out toes.
Another good point to note about Paul is the way that the Holy Spirit specifically called out both him and Barnabus in a corporate meeting, for the purpose of apostolic and evangelistic work (I believe it is in Acts 13 or close to there). So he was called out by God not just personally but also corporately.
This is so wonderful! Thank you for posting this!
You guys are amazing!!!! Whoohoo!
Amazing series ! Thank you Kris !
This absolutely made my week...wow
So helpful!!!
Wish I could hit the like button 200 times over!! Love love love love love love love these guys!! Did I say...I really love this Bethel family!! Thank You Jesus!!
It seems to me that there is a bunch of material for people being called to the prophetic, evangelistic, pastoral ministry. But I have trouble finding videos and courses on the apostolic ministry...
Modern day apostles book from Che Ahn 👍🏽
Thank you for this amazing insight😊😊
Just learning this. Would you say that every person in a local church body functions in one of the five roles?
Q: With regard to function, aren't you guys talking about the difference between someone walking in a deaconate service role in the 5-fold Ministry and the episcopal rule based primarily on relationship with a local pastor/congregation?
Amen. Working in Weakness. Agree with Service. Kris, Apostles don’t want to be in a position of man pleasing. God will remove an Apostle if the people are controlling them.
I absolutely loved this talk... it was so full of wisdom. Thank you so much..... secondly would any of these teachings be available anywhere else? Written down so we can maybe teach on it at another time with our teams?
Hi Kris, can we air your programs here in Sri Lanka?
Another aspect... some just want to be trained up in who they are? People need to know who they are. Where do Apostles get trained?
Where do Prophets get trained? Thankfully, we have online because the 1-fold ministry is not Biblical. Pastors can’t raise up Apostles and Prophets. They have influence but can’t really relate to them. So it’s been awkward all the way around. I pray for Divine Order and the Apostles and Prophets be spiritual moms abs fathers to next generation because they will want to pour themselves out to give what we had to learn without spiritual mothers and fathers
Wowwww great blessing to hear this...
Why do people call bill pastor if he is an apostle?
I have called Apostles Abbas handyman,they do it all
Apostle? He has seen Christ? Paul saw and heard Christ not only once. So the people who say that apostles are those whom have seen Christ may well be correct unless Mr Johnson is saying he has seen Christ. Does that mean all the people who claim to have gone to heaven and seen the Lord are apostles? Apostles transform a realm is that what he said? How is Redding these days has it been transformed since Bethel opened up shop? Churches full every sunday, bars closed, sickness banished, crime free, no divorces etc etc.
Barnabas act 14:14 was named an apostle and never saw Christ.
Jony Cruz how do you know he never saw Christ? Can you show me a verse please?
And there lies your deception. Bill stated that you must have the desire for this function. Nothing about God giving us those gifts. It’s nothing that can be bought and taught through a school of supernatural ministry. That’s trying to purchase the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Wolfs dirty wolfs!!!!
Again they always talk about life today, and NOT what will soon take place for those who are true believers - THE RAPTURE - they also do not preach about the signs we as christians should look for, and they are actually taking place right now all over the world, and also the signs taking place in Israel. I am chocked that they keep on speaking about apostles and other stuff which the NAR movements prefers to teach about. They also never use words like SIN and salvation. They never preach about the time of tribulation, and the temple about to be build in Jerusalem. To me that is a sign that they to not afirm the Bible 100% but only pick and choose.
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My Apostles and Prophets are the biblical ones. Their words are my authority and wisdom. All others are self-diluded and frauds.
Pastor Bill, you have lost some weight.... hope you are alright.
Well, it is rejected bc of people like you who do not know what they are talking about. No church congregation has to have a 5 fold ministry calling to it. The PAstor is over the church. Another thing that lets me know you don't know is 'no person has the gift of prophecy. It is as the Holy Spirit wills by the direction of the Lord.
I hope you are not talking about grace gift of prophecy in Rom.12: bc that has nothing to do with prophecy or the prophetic ministry. But the gift itself belongs to the Prophets office. The office is anointed and the man or prophet is called to it. That just means the gifts of th Spirit that are associated with that office will operate for the person who claims to be called to the office. To be an Apostle you must have special faith and discerning of spirits I believe.
But what is confusing people is those who are in the pulpit calling themselves all kinds of crap like Bishop. Ther is no ministry gift calling for a Bishop. They are even misinterpreting its use. The problem with everyone is that they do not know God. Just people say God this sand that does not mean a thing. People say that who do not understand that the day the Lord said you can say that is when the Patyr' says to you, this day have I begotten you.
Having read your comment I am convinced that it is actually you who has no clue about those things :)
Apostle Bill Johnson. Prophet Kris Valloton the Apsotles made no provision for continuation of apostles. Read the word, The apostles set up elders at churches. Your teaching on this is divergent
This is NAR! False prophets!
5 FOLD LIES, FOR THOSE THAT WORSHIP MONEY.