Making a custom cassette from an MTB XT 11-42 and Road Dura Ace 11-28 for 1x
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Experimenting with combining my XT 11-42 cassette with an old Dura Ace 11-28 cassette I had laying around. I wanted to see if I could get the 12T over to the CT cassette…. Did it work?
Cassette used in the Video:
Shimano XT CS-M8000 11-42T
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Shimano DA CS-9000 11-28T
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Cheaper alternative:
Shimano SLX M7000 11-42T
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Shimano 105 R5800 11-28T
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This inspired me to do some research. As of 2022 you can obtain a 12-40 by combining pieces from Ultegra 11 speed 12-25 and 11-32, with the last two pieces by 3 of a 11 speed XT cassette. You get 12 and 13 as the first two cogs of the 12-25. Then you take a 14, 16 and 18 from the 11-32, and then the blocks 21-24-27 and 31-35-40 from the XT. You get 12-13-14-16-18-21-24-27-31-35-40, which is a sort of "compact" cassette in 1x understanding of gear ranges. You can use it with a 48 in the front for a good mix of speed and climbing, or with a 44 if you ride long walls and coast the descents. It's similar to a 11-36, with a range wider of almost 1 tooth, so almost a 11-37 with decent spacing between gears.
The ut 12b，13b，14a，16b，18c，and then the blocks 21-24-27，Is the 18 to 21 shift smooth?
@@kkqogir5837 The cassette is smooth in terms of the chain shifting up and down. As all the 1x systems, there is always a bit of penalty with cadence, and perhaps the 18-21 is the worst part because it's right there at around 30kmh roughly with the 48 ring. I will soon switch to the 44, and perhaps the sweet spot speed will go more towards the 16, so it's a bit better.
@@gianmarcocostanzo1380 thanks
Yo pondría un cassette de 9v de11-38 con un 24-40 ó 22-38 en un biplato y me ahorraría tener varias coronas gigantes en el piñón.
18-21, yuck. No point in 12-13 small gap since 12 is a bombing downhill gear. The Shimano 11-40 cassette cogs are already as perfect as they can be for 11s. Tighter gaps in the middle, wider gaps near the ends.
Ty.been studying gear ratios and cassette numbering for 2 weeks now..this custom mixing is great to suite what kind of comfort we want to achieve. Very helpful review.
I went with Sunrace MX3 11-13-15-18-21-24-28-32-36-40 on my . 1x10 XC MTB last year - pleasantly surprised with the quality of it!
Well.. I did it. Took the Franken-cassette plunge. Combined my stock SRAM PG-1030 11-42 on my Ibis Hakka, with a SRAM PG-1070 11-28 road cassette. My goal was for smoother cadence at higher speeds. (I know, go back to a 2x) 😎 Here’s how I stacked them: 11,12,13,14,15,19 (from road cassette) then used the 25, 28, 32, 36, 42 from the OEM Hakka cassette. Needs just a slight more shifter input going from 15 to 19 and then from the 19 to the 25. I adjusted the B screw just a few turns but not sure I needed to. Will road test for better feel. Thxs for this idea!
If you're willing to use lower tier parts, the 105 and SLX cassettes only have the 3 largest cogs riveted together, other 8 are single.
I think shifting technology is the same, just heavier materials.
It could give you a bit more options
Christian Lafond yeah, that definitely sounds like a better option if you wanna really customize it further! Cheers! 👌
sram apex cassette are all single cogs
I have the 11-42T as well but saw someone had combined it with a 14-28T cassette to build a 14,15,16,17,19, 21.... 42T for their 2x system. Do you think giving up the 11 and 13T cogs with the 34/50T would be a big deal. At age 60 I’m rarely able to push the 50/11 gear but having some closer gears may be a good thing. OTOH, I was on a downhill segment the other day and I noticed I was in the 50/11 quite a bit. Hmm.
I've just made a hybrid/crossover of two 7-cog MTB cassettes: the HG200-7 (12-32) and the HG41-7 (11-28). The point was to get a greater range of ratioes - my franken-cassette now has 11 to 32 and I love it. I don't mind shifting 11-13-15- at the tough end of the range. Once I get to the point that a more thorough revamp is needed, I'll probably convert the bike to 8-speed - the axle is long enough.
Thanks for your vid, it was reassuring to know in advance that principally this is possible.
when things get steep , big differences in gears isnt a problem , my perfect 12 speed cassette would be 11 , 12 , 13 , 14 , 16 , 18 , 20 , 23 , 26 , 30 , 36 , 46 , once I'm on the 26 and it get steeper anything will do :-)
I used cogs from various 10 gears cassettes(sram, xt, and slx) to build my own 7 speed 11-40t cassette. Less gears, bigger gaps. Perfect for my ebike. What I am missing is a 10t cog though.. for speed :D
wow, you can do that? 7 speed 11-40? what's the tooth size contribution in order??
I have an 11-32 with a single 38t chainring. This is all the gears I need. Almost never use the 11t cog, so I'm thinking about getting an 11-30 cassette with a 34t chainring for smaller gaps.
I'm a fan of the old 12t cog in first position. I have a 12-32 sun race cassette. It sticks you with starting 12-13, there is no way to start 12-14, but ditching the 11 gives you a no jump 12-32 cassette. I'm pretty much the same as you, my dream would be 11-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32-36-42, which is the old 9 speed 11-32 cassette with the two extra on the back.
I would also really like to see a 10-11-12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-28 for the road come out someday. 50/10 beats 53/11.
Jonathan Zappala yeah agreed, when I was on 2x I used the 12-28 cassette, that was a good as it could be! Hmmm... 11-12-14-16-18... that’s in interesting option! As Bobbie E. Ray pointed out that link for spare cogs... there’s no limit to the possibilities 😄
I seems that the cogs are optimized for a specific cassette though... if I can live with the wonky shift delay I might give it a go.
Nice experiment though, I tried mixing road bike and MTB cassettes it made me big change its more comfortable in uphills and I gained speed plus comfortable
Thanks to your video keep it up 💪
for my use, my daily custom cassette for my touring triple ultegra is 11-12-13-15-17-21-24-26-32-37-46
how do you manage to run such a big cassette?
Shimano sells 14-28 Ultegra cassettes, for junior racing and 11s commuter bikes. It comes with the desired 18t cog. Or you could harvest it from the off-series 11-32 cassette, which was released to match the new U5000 groupset. Part number is Y1Y918300, sells separately for 5€.
Cheers!
I found the 18t at a local store here in Tokyo, can find pretty much anything here hehe
@@ridesofjapan Remember, don't take apart other's bikes unless solicited. ;-)
Haha, will restrain myself
@@ridesofjapan So I'll entrust you with the knowledge that the merlon are imperative for shifting and placement, the ramps are merely supporting. Compare their particular shape. Cheers!
14,15,16,17,18,19 on flats and slight grades, 19,21,23 grades and headwinds, 32,37,42 for the hills, all at 90-100rpm 🤌 14-19 are from an Ultegra 6800, 21&23 from Sora 9speed cassette and 32-42 big cluster from a Sram cassette. All powered by a 36t up front, later in the summer when the legs get back in shape a 38t or a 40t replaces the 36t
Is it also possible to draw any sprockets from 9v and 10v cassettes and fit them onto a 11v cassette? How did you manage in spacing them correctly? What spacers did you use, for example? Are 9v and 10v cassettes' sprockets as thick as in a 11v cassette?
@YunqueParaforjar a couple 9speed cogs wont hurt and I used all 11speed spacers
aesthetically it looks good. i don't SEE any void. looks cool
So glad I watched right to the end.... Power Lines! Drone!
Good to see that the olde assembling of freewheels is still a living art ;-) 👍👍
About the 18: how about using a Miche cog? They sell cogs which are compatible with the Shimano system separately.
Teun Luijbregts ohh! Did not know that!
Thanks for the tip, will check it out!
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Teun Luijbregts Was going to say the same thing about Miche being the other brand that produce a wider variety of cassette ratios for both Shimano/Sram/Campagnolo.
Rusevelt Roberts 👌👌👍👍
Low hanging fruit brilliant! Cheers!
@@ridesofjapan you have a 18t cog from ultegra cs-r8000 part number Y1Y918200
If I understand correctly, if you mix and match sprockets from different sets, there's a good chance the shift between them won't be hyperglide, which I suppose is fine if you're not racing. The shape of the teeth could be different even on two sprockets of the same size from the same series if they were meant to be used in different sets. For example in the 105 series, the 15T sprocket in the 11-28T set is different from the 15T in the 11-34T set. It probably matters very little for casual use.
Oliver Racz yep, spot on.
I tried to match up a 11-32 and an 11-42. The cogs were the same width but the shifting was trash. Its nice to see that you managed.
RG's Shed interesting! When you say trash are you talking about the same type of delay when shifting?
I’m not super bothered by it but it definitely not as crisp as the original cogs
Rides of Japan no no, i used more than one cog from a road cassette and it looks like the spacing was just wrong, i didnt look at it in too much detail tho. I might give it another try. However i know what you mean because i use an 11-32 road cassette with an xtr mech and the shifting isnt as fast as an xt cassette
I matched a 12-25 and 11-32 ultegra cassette and it works quite Wells, it’s always a good idea ‘’custom ‘’ cassettes.
What do you think of 1x drivetrain for road use ? I am thinking of replacing my ultegra compact by a sram 1x
Nice vidéo, thanks a lot
Camille C all depends on how picky you are with cadence and what terrain you’re riding. If it’s flat terrain 1x and something like 11-32, or 11-34 should work just fine. But once you get up to the bigger 11-42, or 10-42 for road you will have these bigger gaps... me personally is okay with that, but for racing and hard training it probably not ideal.
Thank you very much!
XT cassettes are great! Most optimal solution in terms of "quality per buck" (or yen:). I use XT CS-M770 11-36 10 speed cassette with GRX400 groupset, and its completely trouble-free, pretty light and shifts perfectly!
I love the presentation of your uploads. They are fun and I always learn something. I'm curious, do you have a video production background?
Steven Hart thanks mate! People learning something from my video is the best feedback I can receive 🙏
Never did any professional video production, always found it fun and interesting though. But always been on a hobby level.
Getting the upper jockey wheel closer to the cassette helps with faster shifts
Rad little experiment! Nice work.
Another excellent interesting video, working through your back catalogue.👍
Doesnt make sense to compare difference in teeth between successive cogs, best to compare % change between them. So in this case I would go for 11,12,13,14,15,17,20,24,29,35,42. As you see when you leave the corncob setup (after 15t) then you must increase by the difference of the previous gap by 1 tooth. So after 15 you go to 17. Then the new gap must be 2 (as 17-15=2) + 1 =3, so 20t. And so on
Yes I agree, you’re 100% correct 👌
if you really want to make it nice and smooth going % is the only way.
All of this was a compromise to get that 12t and the rest wasn’t really a priority. I wanted build this without buying too many new loose cogs, but that said, I’ve since swapped the 17 for a 18 and while it’s not optimal percentage wise, it’s a slight improvement in the gaps between 15 and 21 (or it’s maybe it’s just placebo 😆)
Tiene todo el sentido ya que la cadencia no debe ser pasada por alto, una RT mas progresiva siempre es mejor que una con grandes saltos, especialmente cuando se trata de momentos de fuerza donde un salto grande en la RT hace perder progresividad y produce vacíos donde se pierde potencia por saltos tan grandes, pero bueno, hay muchos hijos del marketing en los comentarios.
that 11-42 cassette looks so uniform unlike the crappy cylinder cassettes where every cog is the same
Very interesting. That dinner plate is so shiny I had to put my sunglasses on. When I got back into cycling after many years off, I sold my 27 year old Pinarello and noticed the gears I used to mash through, 52/42 x 11-17. 😳. How did my knees survived the mountains 🙄
Rixter 😎
I think we all were harder back in the day ;)
I can’t imagine how I manage to climb my first mountain in Japan on 39-27 🤯
Shimano has 18t cog, but its really rare. they come with the rare R8000 14-28 cassette ;)
Very interesting, I'm trying to get my road bike (11-28 with 34/50) fit for a bikepacking trip, I think I'll get mad if I keep trying to match all different components from mtb and road range. Nice jersey btw, where can I get one like it?
losFondos it’s an old voidcycling.com jersey, it not in the current lineup however.
You have some amazing riding locations where you are.
Per calcolare prima la cadenza a tot velocità e rapporto?
Think I'm going to try 50t. F-ing mountains always in my way.
I see you ride a 42 front ring. Do you find that enough in combo with an 11 cog for riding on the flats? Also, do you use a gs (medium cage) or a sgs (long cage) derailleur?
I was always wondering why you used the heavy Shimano cassettes. Sram's XG-1195 shifts perfectly nicely with GRX 810, so I guess it would do the same with any other Shimano groupset, while being around 200 grams lighter. But they are one single piece, so customization is not possible and the 12-10 jump is even larger than the 13-11 jump on the Shimano cassettes.
You answered your own question there :)
I will try and experiment it with my dura ace cassett and xt thanks bro.
for cyclocross i use a 1x11with a 42 in front and a 12-32 custom-cassette.. don't need the 11.. so now I have 12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21-25-28-32 (need a 11-30 cassette for the use of the 19-21)
I wonder how I can get a 12-32 with an 11 speed Ultegra 8000 cassette? I really don’t like having an 11 because I literally never use it, even on the downhills, but shimano doesn’t offer a 12-32 only an 11-32.
Any tips or helps would gladly be appreciated?
Check this out www.bike-components.de/en/Miche/Light-Primato-Shimano-11-speed-Cassette-p56168/
Rides of Japan wow! Thank you! Do they ship to the USA? And have you ordered from this website before?
I only just got the courage of my convictions to get a 11-34 in place of my 11-32. Probably hoping too much that the extra two teeth will help me haul my fat ass up the hills but as I’m a x2 roadie will check out the spread of all 22 ratios. It’d be hilarious if I turned up at s group ride with a 42 ...tempting 🤣. Another cool vid showing it possible to try different things out. Awesome scenery too. More please
nice, a joy only 2.30 in, see more afterride
Your videos are awesome, looking to achieve 10-36 cassette with xd driver, do you think it will be achievable? Thanks :)
Yakir Gabay all the XD driver cassettes are 1-piece construction so you won’t be able to modify the cassette... unless there a 10-36 cassette already made that I don’t know of.
Cheers mate!
@@ridesofjapan Thanks! Waiting for that 10t cog on road range cassettes to come out for my 38/10-32 dream setup
and fast-forward to 2021 we have XD cassette from SRAM that is 10-36. It's a new 12-speed AXS line.
1x12 everybody!!!
Tobias, going 10t you can shrink chainring to 38t or 40t and clime like a mad man.
Nice test! May i ask you: which chain lubricant do you use? Thanks a lot!
UweGranzow.films I use mic-off c3 dry lube for the most part. (Bought a 1 liter bottle a few years back... never runs out 😅)
@@ridesofjapan Thanks mate! (I prefer 5l canister😅 )
is there any advantages in speed if i use 11-28t cassette in my mtb specially if the cogs plate sequence is 11t-12t-13t-14t-15t.....Is it will be fit in,this kind of cassette 11-28t to my mtb hub...currently using 11-42t 10 speed?Thank you in advance
Speed is up to your legs. If you use the MTB for road, then it's fine to use a closer ratio cassette if you don't need the lower gears. For off-road, wider gaps between cogs are actually beneficial because of the irregularity of the terrain.
I was just playing with a few cassettes in my shop last night......
Do you think this mod will work with a SunRace CSMX8 11-42?. I saw that the sunrace has 3 clusters till 19, after that 17, 15, 13 and 11 are free, so just take out the 17 and make the 12 from shimano. I found that you can buy separate the shimano dura ace cogs from 11 till 15. Also the sunrace 11-42 has only 419g, its even lighter then shimano xtr 11-42.
As long as the cogs and spacers are the same thickness, in theory it should work, but I definitely expect the shifting quality to take a big hit.
@@ridesofjapan I was thinking the same think, as quality i don't think that the sunrace matches shimano xt. Was thinking for the weight. Thank you for the answer!
love the ending
Superb info. I learn so much from your clips and also steered me to get an Open U.P. ;-)
MontyWoo64 🙏
Happy to heat that! Hope you enjoy it as much as I do!
I love your videos dude. Interested to know what drone you use 👍
Matthew Decort cheer mate!
I use a DJI mavic air
I never really ever ever taught about 11-12 or -13. I mean can you really feel it when your on off-road track?
I use it for road riding as well.
Not really an issue off-road.
@@ridesofjapan Oh thats why, Thanks
Love this kinda stuff👍🏻👍🏻✌🏻
Love your videos! Also love the jersey you're wearing towards the end of the video. Any idea what brand it is??
Cheers mate!
It's a Void cycling jersey from a few seasons ago, so this particular design is not currently available unfortunately.
@@ridesofjapan Thanks for the info! Looks like they have some pretty sweet designs still. Any recommendation on sizing? I think we're about the same height (I'm around 185cm). I always struggle to decide between medium and large
Jackson Wearn while I'm around the same height I'm only around 64-65kg so I'm a small in most brands including Void (also like my jerseys tight)
One good thing for me is that Void seems to be slightly longer than other brands in small... Don't know if that translates to the larger sized though.
Somehow I did no noticed what is the front chainring. Can you tell me?
In this video, Wolftooth, more here: ua-cam.com/video/B0N07GfnNw4/v-deo.html
Hi, I run 3x10s on my MTB and I wanna replace my 11-36t with 11-42t but keep 3x10s. I have deore XT M781 RD and I am wondering will it work if I install roadlink?
Thanks...
elvedin hodzabegovic hi, either the roadlink or the goatlink supports 3x according to the wolftooth specifications unfortunately.
Wow! That view took my breathe away for a second. Could I hear semi in the background?
Brenton Collas you can probably hear hundred of them if you listen close enough... noisy bastards! 😅
Aha . Untuk senior mah . Terserah lah... wk wk wk . Okey jika adavyg mau xtr 12 sp atau Sram 12 sp . Mampir aja ke Majuroyal yah
Why gaps are not sale separately??
wow, that scenery is gorgeous where are you located
Japan 😜
I knew it was Japan but was wondering where in Japan, sure is a beautiful spot for riding !
What camera and mic do you during the ride?
Peter Chhu I actually used the drone as a selfie cam in his video 😅unfortunately I somehow manage to reset the setting so it only recorded in 1080p, thats why there’s no 4K for this video 😔
The mic is a tascam dr-10.
I did something similar with my road cassette. I wanted a higher ratio so i bought a Ultegra 6700 12-30 cassette. But this left me with the old dura ace cassette becoming redundant. So i combined the two...! There is a jump in the middle like RoJ describes, which is probably just an artefact of Shimanos cassette Design.. Anyway, Works perfectly and weight savings to Boot! Video on my "channel"...
Nice! I bought 12-30 yesterday and want to change 21T sprocket into 16T. Did you bought 12-23 to have 16T sprocket or something like CS-M771-10 works?
Interesting stuff. Any updates on the 18 tooth Cog?
P.S. love the Video Conten, just sad that I didn't ride when I lived and worked for Toyota in Japan years ago.
ghetto johnny thanks mate! You can always come back in holiday :)
(Not now though... 40degree heatwave going on 🤒)
No update fortunately. I got used to that 17 to 22 gap really quick, will pick one up eventually I reckon, but not in any hurry for now.
SRAM Eagle 10-50 has a 12 and 18.. :-)
stijndeklerk true! But they still don’t have road shifters for eagle yet right?
Also that 50t is a bit over kill even for me 😅
You could always run a 53 in the front hahaha, that'll make the 50 in the rear decent. Plus you wouldn't spin out on a descent until 75kmh+ (might be a bit too much haha)
Brad Comis haha! That’s true actually 😂
New (unannounced) 12speed xtr di2, maybe a 50t front and that 10-51 cassette... crazy! I like it!
i have 11,19,28,36 and i'm planing to get 44 and that's it. 5 step only
Very cool!!
Frankensette !!!
That was cool, thank you
Interesting video. I enjoyed the content and the music :)
Very informative, thanks man
Can I do this on a mechanical and dual chain ring setup?
Arif Fauzan I guess you could, but I don’t really see the point as you probably won’t run such a wide range cassette on a 2x crank... or do you?
Rides of Japan well, we can always try. And change back if we don't like it.
Look at RB cassettes, they've been getting bigger from time to time. Old bikes maxed out at 25. Now maxing out at 34 by default.
Only a matter of time until we get bigger and bigger I think.
So why not try now?
Arif Fauzan I like that way you think 👍
Never wrong to test it out for yourself
@@ridesofjapan got 46-34 11-42 on my gravel bike, I rarely use the 11 and 13...I was thinking to swap the 11 for 14 (from a 14-28) and 13 for 15 (and in order no to duplicate 15, 15 for 16). Do you believe it's doable?
The two smallest cogs are usually a bit special (used without spacers), so if you can find the correct type of cogs I don’t see why not.
Great video mannn!!
the shifting ramps are probably just not design for that big of a gap between 17 and 21t
11-42 cassette could be nice on a 50 or 52
Can't be done as the new Shimano 12sp uses Microspline!
Anyone else hit the subscribe button as soon as the Drink Challenge came up?
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Hi my friend, regards from Germany I have one Scott 930 that I want improve my original cassette xt CS-M8000 / 11-46 :11-13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32-37-46 teeth with the first Cog of the cassette
Cs-M9100
10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-33-39-45-51T, cause u live in plane city and I will win 4km if change the cog of 10 teeth instead my original Cog of 11teeh... Is that possible and what I need... In resume just i want change the first Cog of 11 teeh to 10 teeth.. Thks in advance for your time and response King regards javier
amircael69 sorry, that is not possible, the smallest cog on a 11speed Shimano HG freehub is 11t.
To get 10t cog on an 11speed system you need a sram xd freehub body and a sram cassette (or other 3rd party brand)
The Ultegra 11-32 and 14-28 cassettes have an 18 teeth sprocket. I'm pretty sure you can order a spare www.bike24.com/p2177354.html
Bobbie E. Ray holy crap that’s brilliant!!
I knew you guy would come through 😁
Cheers!
Thanks and pure coincidence really. I was just working on my 11-32 cassette while watching your video and literally had the 18 teeth sprocket in my hand :-) Love your videos btw. Make me miss Tokyo and green tea Kit Kats!
Bobbie E. Ray thanks mate! Happy to hear that!
Not that into green tea kit kats though ;)
おつかれさまです。いつも楽しませてもらっています。Gravel bike欲しいのですが、４台目のBikeのになり困っています。CanonのEVOあなたが前乗っていた黒いSuper6 Front 34T single化しました。XT系の40Tのスプロケ買ってみたのですが、roadbikeのSTIとXT系との整合性がないという記事を目にします。ROADBIKE用の34Tのスプロケを付けてもいんですが、 貴方はDuraaceのSTIを使って、XT系のReaderaillerを使っていますが、そのあたりの知識がありません。近い将来教えてください。私の次のBikeはaliiexpressのGravelのframeに油圧diskでGravelを１台組みます。それまでevoで遊んでいます。no responce please sir mr.Peace.
小堀幸夫 di2 じゃないとだめですね。
ですが、「wolftooth tanpan」を使えばいけると思います。
Mr. tanpanとXT ReaD 早速注文しました。ありがとう御座いました。Peace Sir.Mr !
ありがとう御座いました。tanpan でXT Dera シンクロしました。40TのスプロケFront 34TでDriveしています。XTDerae調整できなかったので、しりあいのCo2というショップに調整してもらいました。新型はネジの種類もわからなかった。ありがとうRidesofjapan,
ありがとうCO2様次は本物のGraver Bike作るぜ。Sir.Peace.
How many teeth are you running on the front?
42t
@@ridesofjapan Thanks.
Mrお疲れ様です。shimano RD-M800のスタビライザーの使用方法がよくわからない。外すときOFFにしろというのはわかるが何の為についているのか、アクションが大きい時offにして、roadはON状態にするのか。shimaoのマニュアルはよくわからない。B-screwの重要性は身にしみてよくわかったが。まったくLet It しょうがない。ですsir Mr.
基本は外すときだけoffにします。自分はそれ以外onにしておきます。