Norway had everything going great until we jumped on the net zero bandwagon. Our politicians collectively went insane starting to electrify everything for no gaing at all. Electricity used be cheap and plentyful giving us a competitive edge running iron and aluminum smelters, manufacturing fertilizer and more. Today electricity are way to expensive to the point many industries have no choise but to leave Norway. Our currency have lost much of its value. We are not doing great anymore. Greetings from Norway.
@ Exactly right about the cables out of Norway. I live in Northen part of Norway, prices are still fairly cheap. But when Statnett finishes their planned connection between north and south, we will get EU electricity prices here as well.
in BBC news yesterday the BBC could not stop singing norways praises for being the first fully electric or something. and how great it all is....... I hate that this propaganda bb c is tax payer funded for dark forces...
These two have really good chemistry! Alex is extremely sharp & brilliant, as is Jordan. Their train of thinking is upper echelon. You can see how happy Jordan is talking to Alex in this episode.
@@buch434 Yup!👍 I live in Richland, WA. I already have 4 nuclear power plants near my home. I also served on a nuclear aircraft carrier in the US Navy sleeping about 30m from 2 nuclear reactors for 4 years. People have a completely infantile and irrational fear of nuclear power. Educate yourself. Trust the Science!
@@buch434 even if someone didn't want one near their home, that doesn't mean it is bad. I don't want to live next to a noisy industry, but that doesn't mean I don't want industry to exist in non-residential areas.
@@Khneefer Producing massive base load over a period of 40-50 years, nuclear power is the most cost effecient form of power production. Educate yourself. Trust the Science! The startup cost peak you are referring to is caused by excessive regulatory load to begin a new plant. That cost is entirely political, not engineering.
Kudos. I wish these interviews were mandatory viewing at high schools, universities, and teachers' training colleges. ( Perhaps 'mandatory' is the wrong word here. 😉)
Trump must keep up the pressure on Canada esp with tariffs so that the Libs can't pull a Biden/Kamala and pretend that now things will be great under them. Canadians need a strong reason to vote the liberals out.
Really looking forward to this, hope they address the not green aspect of batteries, solar panels and windmills and the huge cost it has on every level.
Dearest Dr. Peterson I am SO EXCITED that you got to visit Mar-A-Lago over the weekend! I can’t wait to hear all about it! I so badly want for you and Tammy to have a good relationship with the Trumps. And I’m thrilled that Danielle Smith went as well, speaking of energy. I spent my kid-free weekend with your Gospels seminar and your book, dearest Dr. Peterson, and I was so struck by the parallels between your work and Spencer Klavan’s, which I am currently reading. (I always have to have at least five books going at the same time). Too many thoughts to set down here but suffice it to say I listened and read with a very full heart. And today seeing your latest with Steven Bartlett my heart overflowed. Thank you for sharing yours. Here’s a fierce hug And Ruth Anne’s love ❤
@@danmar007I know the bots are numerous, but this is definitely a real person. She writes these delightful and expressive messages in the comments for most, if not all, of Dr. Peterson's videos. I'm very familiar with them, and always look forward to reading them.
It's wonderful to hear sensible views on climate change. Unfortunately, people like Greta Thunberg and other so called "experts" on climate change, have made many people believe that the world is coming to an end in the next few years, which is simply not true.
@@michaelkoester2333Yes, you're right. I remember a guy from when I was a kid, who used to carry one of those signs that said: "The End Of The World Is Nigh" - but it never happened 😅
Alex Epstein is great. If you haven’t read his book, “Fossil Future,” you should. It will radically change the way you think about fossil fuels. The dude is brilliant. Glad to see him back on JP.
Sounds like a smart move from Fink. Be the activist in creating an energy crisis, then position himself as being a big part of the answer to bringing back base load. Having it each way.
I have just finished the Daily Wire short section and enjoyed it. Alex- Mazel tov on the birth of your child! Boys are the BEST. I have two and I enjoy them so much it hurts. They are so beautiful and precious sometimes I can’t bear it. I found the advice on public speaking very helpful. To my dismay, I find that I may be expected to speak publicly if I intend to be an author. I am at present “faint but pursuing” this endeavor. So Alex’s advice was helpful. Funny thought, but I believe that the photo in the thumbnail is one that was taken during Dr. Peterson’s conversation in Oxford with Sir Roger Scruton, on transcendence. I connected it in my thoughts with the day he accepted the Sir Roger Scruton award and how ill and frail he was that day, and how rosy-cheeked and bright-eyed and strong and hearty he is today, and I thank God. I don’t take for granted for one moment that Dr. Peterson is still with us.
1:16:01 This section is so important. The government (and many individuals) make the assertion that lives were saved due to the government's response to c0v*d. But in extending the lives of the elderly by a few months, they destroyed the value of those few months for both the elderly who lived longer, and those who experienced no extension of life.
I love how does a climate change note under the video 🤣. You both really changed my views on the environmen, and your AI system is amazing Alex! Amazing work from both of you and a big fan!
Nope should make them legal non citizen status not allowed 2 vote for 1 generation would be the smarter way that way they couldn't negatively influence our governance
Hi Jordan! As a fellow Albertan (Calgary) I left Canada years ago about the beginning of the Trudeau regime. Haven't looked back and dodged alot of torture and grief and my fellow Canadian and family have experienced both mentally and economically. As an expat it give you that outside perspective that like a frog in the water boiling cant see. I hopped out. So if you read this. Thoughts on Canada being a 51st state of USA.. It took some deep thought on this one both our culture and current times and I think it would be a good thing. Why? There is fear in all politician left and right for their positions and power. This will benefit the working class and there will be less control. Why this is a good idea. So I would say to any politician especially future politician Pierre put your money where your mouth is and lets do a national referendum on this issue. So many benefits with how the world is china, Russia, economies linked. Referendum
The same problem is going on in the Netherlands. We have an insanely expensive and irrational energy transition program that doesn't work and by their own calculations doesn't reduce global warming one bit. And they don't even try to make an argument along the lines of "if we do it, other countries will follow". I think they understand that's not true. If they truly cared, instead of trying to appear to care, we would have spent all that money on technological research in the hope that a cheap sustainable widely applicable energy source is developed, the Netherlands have some good technological universities.
The foundational goal should always be "Triple A" energy; Affordable, Available, and Abundant. Anything which contravenes just one of those standards should be resisted.
The earth increased its temperature and later CO2 went up. Therefore CO2 cannot be the driver of increase in temperatures. Also earth has never had unvarying temperatures in its entire geologic history.
@Scarlet-Bonez Where is a chart that shows the amount of forest covering the Earth during the last thousand years? I dont know if there is more or less now.
That was an argument I first saw by the geologist Bob Carter. He was wrong then and you're wrong now. The "lag" you're referring to doesn't mean what you think it means. In fact the ones who came up with the AGW hypothesis used the feedback of the warming oceans releasing C02 as an example of a "runaway effect" and the mechanism for making the effect of the milankovich cycles more extensive than can be calculated without the addition of the C02 driven greenhouse effect. If you've spent anytime studying the claims of the scientists involved you should pick up on the importance of that to say exactly the opposite of what you're trying to say. Even Lindzen would call you out on your claim. I think it's more than fair to critique the hypothesis based on the complexity of the system and that C02 has been much higher in the past to redirect the fearmongering. Arguing badly without an understanding of the claims only makes those doing it look like fools to the ones who think they're saving us from something. You may not care about that but you'll never be taken seriously by anyone with an understanding of the science. BTW I hate to use "the science" in that context because there is science and there is rhetoric on both sides. People on both sides get thise two mixed up all the time.
Liz Schwartz: AlexAI is fantastic! And thanks for making it free so people like me can access it. I'm one of those types who always has too many questions and likes to repeat them to multiple sources.
I've listened to both sides and come to this conclusion there are a small percentage I will say 5% that think we need to burn more fossil fuels we need to do away with all renewable energy then there is the 5% on the green side that think we need to stop using fossil fuels immediately. That leaves us with a 90% , devide that in half, 45% tilt for fossil fuels while the other 45% tilt toward renewables . We are being told that those in the middle are not in a competmize and aline with the extremeest . If I said Jordan Peterson wants to scrap all renewable energy wants to dig up all the fossil fuel possible and burn it right now, put as much CO2 in the air as it is plant food I'd be painting a wrong picture just like a picture of that the other half wants to ban fossil fuel all together. We are in a compromise right now between the two which is probably the best thing. Funny but that's the conclusion but the people talking about the other people talking oh really saying nothing. And the people out there drilling Wells and the people out there building electric cars and renewable energy are doing something in both sides are getting tired of hearing these people talk about the extremes and not what they're doing.
Thanks for this follow up interview. Alex Epstein is at the top of this field, and with his team of experts, advisors and compatriots, I expect wonderful freedom legislation within the new Trump administration.
From Spain, after the terrible experience with the recent flooding, I confirm that the consequences of a possible climate change are here. I can confirm that, and I can confirm that public policies DID NOT HELP AT ALL. Either if climate change is real and dangerous or not, please do not trust public policies. Be prepared yourselves!
Not quite true. The historical record shows plenty of flood periods in Spain over time, so unrelated to “climate change.” There are other factors at play, such as new reservoirs and flood-control mechanisms, increased urbanization, deforestation, and other changes to surface cover. “Five flood-rich periods were identified (shaded blue in Fig. 10): 1540-1560, 1610-1654, 1720-1745, 1860-1891 and 1970-1990. The flood periods I, II and IV show flood events in all basins.” Source: Historical floods in the southeastern Iberian Peninsula since the 16th century: Trends and regional analysis of extreme flood events. C. Sánchez-García and L. Schulte.
It is not policy failure, nuclear energy is made more and more expensive to develop because otherwise it would force the electricity to become cheaper. These policies are working as designed.
The world just cares about money and power never about the well being of the human society. We need more love and teamwork throughout the world and can solve all issues.
They said if the ruling principle is an ill-considered opposition to climate change, suppression of innovation and population control present themselves as strategies. We're not exactly entitled to clarity like this. I'm grateful for it.
Stats on the impact of human, on the scale of the age of the planet... debatable. Agree that it is an important things to keep doing better things. For sure we focus way to much on it.
All human behaviour is emergent, things will be sustained as long as they can be sustained, and then they won't, and then we let the chips fall where they may.
Ive never heard such a man talk big words and his word salad is just impeccable. Its like he's has autism or something. Hes smart! I love listening to him
And you think that the fires around LA are an isolated event ? Just remember all the forests burning in the north of Canada, early in the season last year. Jasper destroyed...
Unlike M. Peterson@@johnnyp5788, I don't have a degree in psychology that allows me to be an expert on everything. But I'll return the question, explain to me until now why California stopped only this year to manage well its environment, if such a thing makes sense considering the mountains, the kind of vegetation that grows there and how big the territory is? How it prevented the rain to fall since last spring? Did the assurance companie who stopped assuring the houses in the era claimed that the actions of the State was involved in their decision or it was climate change that influenced their decision (it is a true question)? You saw the segment on Rogan when the guest says it is only a matter of time that LA burns like this (but before the fires started) because of its geography? And why Canada burned like never before last year, so early in the year? I owe a great debt to M. Peterson, but I miss the time when he wasn't an expert on everything.
1:00:22 Did he really just suggest replacing people with chatgpt after all that talk about being on the human side of things? If you can't see through these gremlins, you need to check yourself.
I agree with the pro-human energy/climate position; however, the second law of thermodynamics definitively demonstrates that energy can never solve every problem it creates. If that were true you would have a perpetual motion machine in the form of a global society. Everything moves towards entropy. Granted, technically the Earth is not a closed system; however, fossil fuels are a closed solution. They can help, but there will always be some new problem created by terrestrial sources of energy that will need to be solved.
True but you have to assess the timescale you're talking about here. Sure, hydrocarbons are not a permanent solution. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be the primary solution until more solutions can come online.
I completely agree. I’m only refuting the statement that terrestrial forms of energy regardless of how advanced and efficient they might become will be able to ameliorate all the problems they create. They will of course create fewer problems as we get better at harnessing them, but it’ll never be zero sum. It can’t be, the laws of physics do not allow it. Perhaps at some point in the future we will harness our energy needs off world. It still won’t be zero sum but at least whatever potential environmental problems we create will not have terrestrial effects.
Unless I misunderstand Dr Peterson is massively overstating the electricity prices in Norway. The highest spot price per kWh this year has been 2.81NOK which is 0.25USD which is 4000x lower than what he states (1000USD). It is true electricity prices has risen significantly in Norway, but why give such a ridiculous number.
Indeed. He must have mixed up the numbers. Anyone with even a remote sense of electricity costs and consumption would never make such a claim. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
That's crazy about Apple. We've all known them to give every single thing an Apple name. Bluetooth file sharing: Airdrop. Earbuds: Airpods. There are so many things like this. It would make sense they continue with the newspeak to circumvent other things outside of consumer products. Fascinating loophole really.
I constantly hear the complaint that there's no point in trying to reduce pollution because China, India, and other countries are building coal powered plants like mad. But I don't hear is the linkage of the United States contribution To that manufacturing through their unquenchable consumerism
If the US could develop cheap, clean power, it would help increase our ability to manufacture goods domestically, which in turn would help to reduce the demand for foreign goods.
The entire world consumes goods and services. China and Asia built their economies on cheap labour, taking manufacturing from Western countries with much higher labour costs. But they also have much lower environmental standards, and rarely report their emissions honestly. That’s the real argument against further damaging our economy by trying to reduce our 1.5% of global emissions while China, India and Asia are doing the opposite.
I read a report ,I believe it was in 2019 , on my weather company page. U S corn crop produces more Oxygen in it's growing season than the Amazon rain forest does all year. NOAA put it out.
I didn't say hydro had no environmental affects, simply that it is renewable. The podcast talked about wind and solar as if they were the only form of renewable. I'm simply pointing out that hydro is a renewable. I also didn't say that it could be employed everywhere. Incidentally, solar and wind also don't work everywhere all the time.
The most insane aspect of this is that for the human being to thrive on earth, a lower CO2 level in our atmosphere is WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY MORE DANGEROUS than a higher CO2 level is relative to what it is now, as well as historically. We are already on the periphery of what would be considered low, and well-below what is optimal for vegetation. So the entire enterprise of “needing to limit CO2” is based on ignoring objective reality and attempting to convince people to believe that which is simply not true through the use of the tactic “The bigger the lie, the easier it is to convince people it’s true”
The dragon eating it's tail...I tried explaining that, remembering what Dr. Jordan B. Peterson says about that, and all I could recall was the story eating itself due to chaos and the inability for the story to maintain its form. The place where something breaks down, and then and there - that is what becomes consumed. The story has to be solid or the dragon of chaos will eat it whole. I think that may be right.
We need more fossil fuels and more climate change. Both are massive net positives for the world. Climate change isn't just normal but good, far more people die from cold than heat, even in places like India. Warming isn't uniform, but concentrated in the coldest areas and coldest times. CO2 has a diminishing greenhouse effect, i.e. every molecule of CO2 we emit has less environmental impact than the last. More CO2 means fewer cold deaths, more crop growth, more farmable land, and more fossil fuel use means fewer climate deaths, more climate control, more productivity, more industry, more innovation. We are nowhere near 'running out' of fossil fuels, and the next step up is nuclear, which is even more abundant. Highly, highly recommend Epstein's book "Fossil Future" for a detailed breakdown of the above and more!
How about utilizing fusion power, traditional nuclear power, and oil and gas energy sources. Instead of standard AI models that consume a lot of electricity shifting to Organoid computers?
Mother nature will need to sacrifice itself for humanity to build a smarter version of our combined language which then will save the mother nature first and the creators. Cheers to everyone who brought the technology to where we are today. Where will we all be in 10 years or less. Prometheus? Finally freed. We will replace the role with languages built by sand. Thus, mother nature saving itself with the help of languages. A precious jewel which we created… Language. Freedom of language is ever more important than before.
24:59 >IF monopolies weren’t okay for oil companies >THEN they’re not okay for windmill or solar panel subsidies. >DISABLE Monopolies. :\ FREE MARKET 🆓🗽💸 In Teddy/Trump Speak: Trust Busting Era Baby; Drill Baby Drill‼️
Solar heating through well placed windows. Limit solar heating in the summer with shudders. Free energy at a low cost. Of course the sun doesn't shine all the time. Maybe that could be handled by a heat pump. Or high efficiency natural gas heating in colder climates.
@garywagner2466 Centries. Before furnaces people put lots of windows 🪟 on the side facing the sun and planted deciduous trees on that side. Sunny side, east and west. This provided shade in the summer 🌞 while leaves fell off in the winter allowing the sun to warm the house.
Jordan Peterson's silence in one interview few weeks ago, was out of respect, but I read pondering of implications in his face, of some stories he has given legitimacy to in abstract, that when taken literally to extremes as legitimate will lead to destruction; witnessing his own being appalled by what he was hearing.
For 73 years I wondered why do people, almost instinctively, say "what?" when asked a question, but then answer it correctly without having to hear it fully repeated? So it's not the wording. I'm curious if the same cycle applies to comments. Obviously you have more clues in my comment, than I have in your "what?". That's also unfair to ask me to rewrite my comment again as a reply. Don't you agree?
@@rezadaneshi It is the wording, and you clearly were aware of it and seemingly using it as bait. It's kind of foolish, if you ask me. A point should be made on its merits, not by confusing the reader enough that they have to ask for clarification.
I apologies for the confusion but clearly, there was only one time in the history that JP was ever speechless in the last million years momentarily and It reminded me of, people talked without talking and people hearing it without listening before the Sounds of Silence that followed in the song. Maybe I think and talk that way when a dry brush in a conversation is a fire hazard. Or maybe there is a scaffolding I can't step off as the bait is the illusion of free speech. But I'm certainly glad to be the first lunatic you run into today.
46:08 “unleash American energy,” strange that China is unleashing its energy, it is building out such a system, stepping away from petroleum, going electric.
where is the electricity coming from? It has to be generated, you can't just dig electricity out of the ground. Coal, gas, solar, nuclear, all use fuel and make electricity. It is extremely difficult and expensive to store electricity, so we use it as we make it.
42:11 “nuclear power plants can’t explode,” like Chernobyl or Fukushima didn’t explode. I’m pro-nuclear but framing your narrative in a falsehood doesn’t help. The plants I mentioned did blow up, they had uncontained melt downs and spewed out fission products into the environment.
Neither of those were explosions of the core. The first was a design that no sane builder would use, the second was due to an earthquake damaging the backup power system.
How much of the over regulation of the nuclear industry was due to the Karen Silkwood case & the illicit trade of Kerr-McGee weapons grade plutonium to Israel?
Out there idea (at least in this culture) what if we need more CO2 in the atmosphere not less. More CO2 for more plants and and the greening of the Earth. Like the satellite data showed over the past 35 years.
Oh man… :DD maybe you should not guess these things, but maybe talk to someone who studied these spheres for their whole life and take a book and study yourself, check ir in labaratory and let us know. Epstein studied computer science, arts, so he may be good at that but really not in nature sciences. Higher tempretures causes longer droughts, kills ocean life… oh man
Hello everyone. Maybe I'm stupid, but listen to me for a moment. For life to exist on Earth, certain environmental conditions had to be met: -There had to be enough of the right molecules, in a "very specific" form, for them to combine. -there had to be the right temperature as a catalyst for certain chemical reactions to take place at all Most life on Earth is of hydrocarbon origin. To be created, it must have the appropriate building blocks: carbon, but not in its pure form because no form of life absorbs pure carbon. carbon dioxide is the best for the reaction because it contains very reactive oxygen, which leaves carbon after the reaction, which is easy for other atoms, such as hydrogen, to absorb. Now let's think about what we eat, it's mainly hydrocarbons. Where do plants get hydrogen and carbon? I think from air and water (H2O and CO2, it's funny that the molecules that create life are so similar) because not from the soil, which is made mainly of silicon. In order for humanity to survive, it must increase the production of hydrocarbons. By depleting the atmosphere of carbon dioxide, we cut ourselves off from the building material for the plants we eat. We know that we cannot saturate the atmosphere with too much carbon dioxide, but we cannot reduce it to zero, that is paranoia. Share your thoughts.
Build nuclear, make electricity cheap and the rest will take care of itself. Anyone would rather electric heat then fossil fuels. The cost of electric heat items are cheap. The maintenance of an electric furnace or boiler is is almost zero for 25 years plus. Its efficiency is 100 percent. Why wouldn't people want electric. Electricity just needs to be cheap for people to transition.
Of course it's nuclear it's been decided. Of the 60 plants in the US 58 are operating along with 98 reactors & 2 plants are approved to be built. It's the only possible means to support the forecasted electric demands.
Norway had everything going great until we jumped on the net zero bandwagon. Our politicians collectively went insane starting to electrify everything for no gaing at all. Electricity used be cheap and plentyful giving us a competitive edge running iron and aluminum smelters, manufacturing fertilizer and more. Today electricity are way to expensive to the point many industries have no choise but to leave Norway. Our currency have lost much of its value. We are not doing great anymore. Greetings from Norway.
You connected DE/NL/DK/UK to your grid and got their spot-prises in NO1/2/5.
You had a good run for a while there Norway
Greetings!
@ Exactly right about the cables out of Norway. I live in Northen part of Norway, prices are still fairly cheap. But when Statnett finishes their planned connection between north and south, we will get EU electricity prices here as well.
in BBC news yesterday the BBC could not stop singing norways praises for being the first fully electric or something. and how great it all is....... I hate that this propaganda bb c is tax payer funded for dark forces...
Jordan seems like he's in such a good mood. I've never seen him so smiley!
He hasn’t stopped smiling once since he moved to the United States, the dear man.
@@AFringedGentianToEnnienmust be something in their water
These two have really good chemistry! Alex is extremely sharp & brilliant, as is Jordan. Their train of thinking is upper echelon. You can see how happy Jordan is talking to Alex in this episode.
Nuclear Power. Steady base load. Clean. Cost efficient. Safe.
Cool so you fine with one near your home....
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@@buch434 Yup!👍 I live in Richland, WA. I already have 4 nuclear power plants near my home. I also served on a nuclear aircraft carrier in the US Navy sleeping about 30m from 2 nuclear reactors for 4 years. People have a completely infantile and irrational fear of nuclear power. Educate yourself. Trust the Science!
@@buch434 even if someone didn't want one near their home, that doesn't mean it is bad. I don't want to live next to a noisy industry, but that doesn't mean I don't want industry to exist in non-residential areas.
"Cost efficient." - greatest propaganda piece of nuclear industry. 150 USD/MWh, when for gas power plants it is 40-70 USD/MWh.
@@Khneefer Producing massive base load over a period of 40-50 years, nuclear power is the most cost effecient form of power production. Educate yourself. Trust the Science!
The startup cost peak you are referring to is caused by excessive regulatory load to begin a new plant. That cost is entirely political, not engineering.
Kudos. I wish these interviews were mandatory viewing at high schools, universities, and teachers' training colleges. ( Perhaps 'mandatory' is the wrong word here. 😉)
Peterson is going through his "re-education" eventually.. that should be fun
We want kida to stay in school not skip it lil man
How about necessary watching to learn a new view. Unfortunately the brainwashed won't allow it
Trump must keep up the pressure on Canada esp with tariffs so that the Libs can't pull a Biden/Kamala and pretend that now things will be great under them. Canadians need a strong reason to vote the liberals out.
The reasons have been there since 1980.
Second! The world needs Jordan!!
We have him , thanks to him😅
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Really looking forward to this, hope they address the not green aspect of batteries, solar panels and windmills and the huge cost it has on every level.
Dearest Dr. Peterson I am SO EXCITED that you got to visit Mar-A-Lago over the weekend! I can’t wait to hear all about it! I so badly want for you and Tammy to have a good relationship with the Trumps. And I’m thrilled that Danielle Smith went as well, speaking of energy.
I spent my kid-free weekend with your Gospels seminar and your book, dearest Dr. Peterson, and I was so struck by the parallels between your work and Spencer Klavan’s, which I am currently reading. (I always have to have at least five books going at the same time). Too many thoughts to set down here but suffice it to say I listened and read with a very full heart. And today seeing your latest with Steven Bartlett my heart overflowed. Thank you for sharing yours.
Here’s a fierce hug
And Ruth Anne’s love ❤
Bot troll.
@@danmar007 Wtf Dan? She's no bot..someone here might be bought tho🤭
@@danmar007thank you for identifying yourself.
As for me, Dr. Peterson, to whom this comment was addressed, knows me by name.
@@danmar007I know the bots are numerous, but this is definitely a real person. She writes these delightful and expressive messages in the comments for most, if not all, of Dr. Peterson's videos. I'm very familiar with them, and always look forward to reading them.
Thanks!
It's wonderful to hear sensible views on climate change. Unfortunately, people like Greta Thunberg and other so called "experts" on climate change, have made many people believe that the world is coming to an end in the next few years, which is simply not true.
They've been saying that since it was known as the coming IceAge that never happened...
@@michaelkoester2333Yes, you're right. I remember a guy from when I was a kid, who used to carry one of those signs that said: "The End Of The World Is Nigh" - but it never happened 😅
At the end of the day every single human being dies! So what exactly are these crazy environmentalists saving?
Alex Epstein is great. If you haven’t read his book, “Fossil Future,” you should. It will radically change the way you think about fossil fuels. The dude is brilliant. Glad to see him back on JP.
Sounds like a smart move from Fink. Be the activist in creating an energy crisis, then position himself as being a big part of the answer to bringing back base load. Having it each way.
@Jordan Peterson MAKE SURE that Alex Epistine meets Pierre Poilievre.
One of the better Objectivists, nice to see him back on.
I have just finished the Daily Wire short section and enjoyed it. Alex- Mazel tov on the birth of your child! Boys are the BEST. I have two and I enjoy them so much it hurts. They are so beautiful and precious sometimes I can’t bear it.
I found the advice on public speaking very helpful. To my dismay, I find that I may be expected to speak publicly if I intend to be an author. I am at present “faint but pursuing” this endeavor. So Alex’s advice was helpful.
Funny thought, but I believe that the photo in the thumbnail is one that was taken during Dr. Peterson’s conversation in Oxford with Sir Roger Scruton, on transcendence. I connected it in my thoughts with the day he accepted the Sir Roger Scruton award and how ill and frail he was that day, and how rosy-cheeked and bright-eyed and strong and hearty he is today, and I thank God. I don’t take for granted for one moment that Dr. Peterson is still with us.
Loved Fossil Future !
Alberta and Saskatchewan as the 51st and 52nd state are the solution for American energy issues.
Why would they want the IRS to follow them around the planet?
@@-whackd Perfect reply!
1:16:01
This section is so important.
The government (and many individuals) make the assertion that lives were saved due to the government's response to c0v*d. But in extending the lives of the elderly by a few months, they destroyed the value of those few months for both the elderly who lived longer, and those who experienced no extension of life.
I liked violin music that plays before the main talk starts.
Excellent talk. Thanks guys
LETS GOOO ALEX ROCKS
Damm this guys good😊
I love how does a climate change note under the video 🤣. You both really changed my views on the environmen, and your AI system is amazing Alex! Amazing work from both of you and a big fan!
I'm all for making Canada a state... Only because Jordan Peterson could become president!!!
That would be awesome
@@ibmgrunt I wouldn't let it if they can vote.
As if he'd ever want the job😂
Don't do that to the poor man. 😂
Nope should make them legal non citizen status not allowed 2 vote for 1 generation would be the smarter way that way they couldn't negatively influence our governance
I haven’t listened yet but I already agree. 🎉
Hi Jordan! As a fellow Albertan (Calgary) I left Canada years ago about the beginning of the Trudeau regime. Haven't looked back and dodged alot of torture and grief and my fellow Canadian and family have experienced both mentally and economically. As an expat it give you that outside perspective that like a frog in the water boiling cant see. I hopped out. So if you read this. Thoughts on Canada being a 51st state of USA.. It took some deep thought on this one both our culture and current times and I think it would be a good thing. Why? There is fear in all politician left and right for their positions and power. This will benefit the working class and there will be less control. Why this is a good idea. So I would say to any politician especially future politician Pierre put your money where your mouth is and lets do a national referendum on this issue. So many benefits with how the world is china, Russia, economies linked. Referendum
Fossil Future.Great book. So many thanks, reading at the present time. A great philosopher.
Thank you for this conversation.
The same problem is going on in the Netherlands. We have an insanely expensive and irrational energy transition program that doesn't work and by their own calculations doesn't reduce global warming one bit. And they don't even try to make an argument along the lines of "if we do it, other countries will follow". I think they understand that's not true. If they truly cared, instead of trying to appear to care, we would have spent all that money on technological research in the hope that a cheap sustainable widely applicable energy source is developed, the Netherlands have some good technological universities.
The foundational goal should always be "Triple A" energy; Affordable, Available, and Abundant. Anything which contravenes just one of those standards should be resisted.
Good stuff. Encouraging to know there's sane people working on this stuff
Very interesting. Thank you.
The earth increased its temperature and later CO2 went up. Therefore CO2 cannot be the driver of increase in temperatures. Also earth has never had unvarying temperatures in its entire geologic history.
Since so many forests have decreased, wouldn't it make sense to plant more?
@ there are far more trees today than a century ago.
@ no! There are more trees in North America than at the time when the native Americans ruled
@Scarlet-Bonez
Where is a chart that shows the amount of forest covering the Earth during the last thousand years?
I dont know if there is more or less now.
That was an argument I first saw by the geologist Bob Carter. He was wrong then and you're wrong now.
The "lag" you're referring to doesn't mean what you think it means. In fact the ones who came up with the AGW hypothesis used the feedback of the warming oceans releasing C02 as an example of a "runaway effect" and the mechanism for making the effect of the milankovich cycles more extensive than can be calculated without the addition of the C02 driven greenhouse effect.
If you've spent anytime studying the claims of the scientists involved you should pick up on the importance of that to say exactly the opposite of what you're trying to say.
Even Lindzen would call you out on your claim.
I think it's more than fair to critique the hypothesis based on the complexity of the system and that C02 has been much higher in the past to redirect the fearmongering.
Arguing badly without an understanding of the claims only makes those doing it look like fools to the ones who think they're saving us from something.
You may not care about that but you'll never be taken seriously by anyone with an understanding of the science.
BTW I hate to use "the science" in that context because there is science and there is rhetoric on both sides. People on both sides get thise two mixed up all the time.
Liz Schwartz: AlexAI is fantastic! And thanks for making it free so people like me can access it. I'm one of those types who always has too many questions and likes to repeat them to multiple sources.
Tar and feathering used to be a thing for politicians that helped themselves. Make Tar and Feathering Great Again!
make the individual great again.
Great episode!
I've listened to both sides and come to this conclusion there are a small percentage I will say 5% that think we need to burn more fossil fuels we need to do away with all renewable energy then there is the 5% on the green side that think we need to stop using fossil fuels immediately. That leaves us with a 90% , devide that in half, 45% tilt for fossil fuels while the other 45% tilt toward renewables . We are being told that those in the middle are not in a competmize and aline with the extremeest . If I said Jordan Peterson wants to scrap all renewable energy wants to dig up all the fossil fuel possible and burn it right now, put as much CO2 in the air as it is plant food I'd be painting a wrong picture just like a picture of that the other half wants to ban fossil fuel all together. We are in a compromise right now between the two which is probably the best thing. Funny but that's the conclusion but the people talking about the other people talking oh really saying nothing. And the people out there drilling Wells and the people out there building electric cars and renewable energy are doing something in both sides are getting tired of hearing these people talk about the extremes and not what they're doing.
Please tell me Alex is working on a lecture series for Peterson Academy!
What a great title to a video
Thanks for this follow up interview. Alex Epstein is at the top of this field, and with his team of experts, advisors and compatriots, I expect wonderful freedom legislation within the new Trump administration.
Trump is a Pragmatist who changes w/political trends. He has no absolute values.
You should talk to John Anderson of Australia to follow these ideas
Dr. Peterson hasn’t talked to John in too long but they do talk regularly, thank goodness, and we are richer for it.
From Spain, after the terrible experience with the recent flooding, I confirm that the consequences of a possible climate change are here. I can confirm that, and I can confirm that public policies DID NOT HELP AT ALL. Either if climate change is real and dangerous or not, please do not trust public policies. Be prepared yourselves!
yes! the public policy makers are the real crisis.
Not quite true. The historical record shows plenty of flood periods in Spain over time, so unrelated to “climate change.” There are other factors at play, such as new reservoirs and flood-control mechanisms, increased urbanization, deforestation, and other changes to surface cover. “Five flood-rich periods were identified (shaded blue in Fig. 10): 1540-1560, 1610-1654, 1720-1745, 1860-1891 and 1970-1990. The flood periods I, II and IV show flood events in all basins.” Source: Historical floods in the southeastern Iberian Peninsula since the 16th century: Trends and regional analysis of extreme flood events. C. Sánchez-García and L. Schulte.
It is not policy failure, nuclear energy is made more and more expensive to develop because otherwise it would force the electricity to become cheaper. These policies are working as designed.
The world just cares about money and power never about the well being of the human society. We need more love and teamwork throughout the world and can solve all issues.
not 'the world', the world is mother earth, it's those that managed to be 'in charge' and pull horrible strings, right...
People are listening to Alex. He is having an unseen impact on the world.
The two greatest gifts the Creator has given mankind are our Savior Jesus Christ, and fossil fuels.
They said if the ruling principle is an ill-considered opposition to climate change, suppression of innovation and population control present themselves as strategies. We're not exactly entitled to clarity like this. I'm grateful for it.
The banner is the simple-minded response to climate change. The video is the intelligent response.
Jordan Peterson, here are some good people to interview. Esther perel and Gabor Mate
Stats on the impact of human, on the scale of the age of the planet... debatable. Agree that it is an important things to keep doing better things. For sure we focus way to much on it.
Alex really loves ChatGPT 😂
All human behaviour is emergent, things will be sustained as long as they can be sustained, and then they won't, and then we let the chips fall where they may.
Srsly, what is going on with those chairs? How can that be comfortable?
Ive never heard such a man talk big words and his word salad is just impeccable. Its like he's has autism or something. Hes smart! I love listening to him
And you think that the fires around LA are an isolated event ? Just remember all the forests burning in the north of Canada, early in the season last year. Jasper destroyed...
The insanity of some of these arguments in this podcast and the agreement amongst the comments is equally terrifying and disappointing.
Please explain how California is climate change and not poor environmental management.
Unlike M. Peterson@@johnnyp5788, I don't have a degree in psychology that allows me to be an expert on everything. But I'll return the question, explain to me until now why California stopped only this year to manage well its environment, if such a thing makes sense considering the mountains, the kind of vegetation that grows there and how big the territory is? How it prevented the rain to fall since last spring? Did the assurance companie who stopped assuring the houses in the era claimed that the actions of the State was involved in their decision or it was climate change that influenced their decision (it is a true question)? You saw the segment on Rogan when the guest says it is only a matter of time that LA burns like this (but before the fires started) because of its geography? And why Canada burned like never before last year, so early in the year?
I owe a great debt to M. Peterson, but I miss the time when he wasn't an expert on everything.
@@johnnyp5788 Some people claim DEW... I'm not saying that. I would say deliberate negligence....
Jump to 1:33:21 and you'll hear their discussion on wildfires.
Sir some other channels are using AI to copy your voice and spreading some concepts which you never say.. Pl be careful
GPU Accelerators eat up most of the power in large server based computational facilities.
Bingo.
I heard something about data centers will take more power than charging EVs
No,but alot. 5-10% depending woh to count.
1:00:22 Did he really just suggest replacing people with chatgpt after all that talk about being on the human side of things? If you can't see through these gremlins, you need to check yourself.
UA-cam/Alphabet needs to chill on fact-checking. No one needs to see a U.N. approved message on climate change.
I agree with the pro-human energy/climate position; however, the second law of thermodynamics definitively demonstrates that energy can never solve every problem it creates. If that were true you would have a perpetual motion machine in the form of a global society. Everything moves towards entropy. Granted, technically the Earth is not a closed system; however, fossil fuels are a closed solution. They can help, but there will always be some new problem created by terrestrial sources of energy that will need to be solved.
True but you have to assess the timescale you're talking about here. Sure, hydrocarbons are not a permanent solution. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be the primary solution until more solutions can come online.
I completely agree. I’m only refuting the statement that terrestrial forms of energy regardless of how advanced and efficient they might become will be able to ameliorate all the problems they create. They will of course create fewer problems as we get better at harnessing them, but it’ll never be zero sum. It can’t be, the laws of physics do not allow it. Perhaps at some point in the future we will harness our energy needs off world. It still won’t be zero sum but at least whatever potential environmental problems we create will not have terrestrial effects.
Unless I misunderstand Dr Peterson is massively overstating the electricity prices in Norway. The highest spot price per kWh this year has been 2.81NOK which is 0.25USD which is 4000x lower than what he states (1000USD). It is true electricity prices has risen significantly in Norway, but why give such a ridiculous number.
Indeed. He must have mixed up the numbers. Anyone with even a remote sense of electricity costs and consumption would never make such a claim. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
40:06 there is a disconnect in his logic. Did you catch it?
That's crazy about Apple. We've all known them to give every single thing an Apple name. Bluetooth file sharing: Airdrop. Earbuds: Airpods. There are so many things like this. It would make sense they continue with the newspeak to circumvent other things outside of consumer products. Fascinating loophole really.
Go green 💚
Windmills and Tidal power go to Zero by times - what then ? Nuclear power is 24/7 and clean.
I constantly hear the complaint that there's no point in trying to reduce pollution because China, India, and other countries are building coal powered plants like mad. But I don't hear is the linkage of the United States contribution
To that manufacturing through their unquenchable consumerism
Compare the CO2 of the United States and China.
There's almost no reason to even consider the United States as an issue when you compare it
If the US could develop cheap, clean power, it would help increase our ability to manufacture goods domestically, which in turn would help to reduce the demand for foreign goods.
@@kadams4458 We could do that. We've made political decisions not to develop it....
The entire world consumes goods and services. China and Asia built their economies on cheap labour, taking manufacturing from Western countries with much higher labour costs. But they also have much lower environmental standards, and rarely report their emissions honestly. That’s the real argument against further damaging our economy by trying to reduce our 1.5% of global emissions while China, India and Asia are doing the opposite.
Someone get this guy workin in South Africa
I read a report ,I believe it was in 2019 , on my weather company page. U S corn crop produces more Oxygen in it's growing season than the Amazon rain forest does all year. NOAA put it out.
You seem to forget that hydro electric power is renewable. Here in Manitoba we're pretty close to all renewable because we have plenty of hydro power.
Yet gruesome newscum took down four hydro power dams....
You seem to forget that not all jurisdictions have hydroelectric potential. It is a myth that hydro has no adverse environmental effects.
You seem to forget that not all jurisdictions have hydroelectric potential. It is a myth that hydro has no adverse environmental effects.
I didn't say hydro had no environmental affects, simply that it is renewable. The podcast talked about wind and solar as if they were the only form of renewable. I'm simply pointing out that hydro is a renewable. I also didn't say that it could be employed everywhere. Incidentally, solar and wind also don't work everywhere all the time.
The most insane aspect of this is that for the human being to thrive on earth, a lower CO2 level in our atmosphere is WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY MORE DANGEROUS than a higher CO2 level is relative to what it is now, as well as historically.
We are already on the periphery of what would be considered low, and well-below what is optimal for vegetation.
So the entire enterprise of “needing to limit CO2” is based on ignoring objective reality and attempting to convince people to believe that which is simply not true through the use of the tactic “The bigger the lie, the easier it is to convince people it’s true”
The dragon eating it's tail...I tried explaining that, remembering what Dr. Jordan B. Peterson says about that, and all I could recall was the story eating itself due to chaos and the inability for the story to maintain its form. The place where something breaks down, and then and there - that is what becomes consumed. The story has to be solid or the dragon of chaos will eat it whole. I think that may be right.
We need more fossil fuels and more climate change. Both are massive net positives for the world. Climate change isn't just normal but good, far more people die from cold than heat, even in places like India. Warming isn't uniform, but concentrated in the coldest areas and coldest times. CO2 has a diminishing greenhouse effect, i.e. every molecule of CO2 we emit has less environmental impact than the last.
More CO2 means fewer cold deaths, more crop growth, more farmable land, and more fossil fuel use means fewer climate deaths, more climate control, more productivity, more industry, more innovation. We are nowhere near 'running out' of fossil fuels, and the next step up is nuclear, which is even more abundant.
Highly, highly recommend Epstein's book "Fossil Future" for a detailed breakdown of the above and more!
CO2 has nothing to do with global warming. Half of Canada's power goes to computers.
We are not running out of fossil fuel … drill baby drill!
What are the plans to stop almost every capital city going under water?
Not having Alex represented as a part of "The Trump X-Men Team" is an oversight.
How about utilizing fusion power, traditional nuclear power, and oil and gas energy sources. Instead of standard AI models that consume a lot of electricity shifting to Organoid computers?
fusion isn't functional yet.
OMG I have found the skinny version of the Romanian actor Pavel Bartos.
Mother nature will need to sacrifice itself for humanity to build a smarter version of our combined language which then will save the mother nature first and the creators. Cheers to everyone who brought the technology to where we are today. Where will we all be in 10 years or less. Prometheus? Finally freed. We will replace the role with languages built by sand. Thus, mother nature saving itself with the help of languages. A precious jewel which we created… Language. Freedom of language is ever more important than before.
Humans flourish together with the planet.
It's still all about greed. Energy, food, water, anything another person needs can be exploited.
24:59 >IF monopolies weren’t okay for oil companies >THEN they’re not okay for windmill or solar panel subsidies. >DISABLE Monopolies.
:\ FREE MARKET
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In Teddy/Trump Speak: Trust Busting Era Baby; Drill Baby Drill‼️
Cooling & ventilation probably use more energy than computers that collect & store AI data.
Solar heating through well placed windows. Limit solar heating in the summer with shudders. Free energy at a low cost. Of course the sun doesn't shine all the time. Maybe that could be handled by a heat pump. Or high efficiency natural gas heating in colder climates.
Shutters. Passive solar has been around for decades.
@garywagner2466 Centries. Before furnaces people put lots of windows 🪟 on the side facing the sun and planted deciduous trees on that side. Sunny side, east and west. This provided shade in the summer 🌞 while leaves fell off in the winter allowing the sun to warm the house.
Jordan Peterson is so Dad am listening Son I wrote/ read the papers were on it!
When I read Peterson and Epstein, I was like: what the hell??? 😂😂
😂😂😂
Don’t understand them?
Here is a patient who has no friends, spends too much time on the internet and is looking for his father
God Bless
Jordan Peterson's silence in one interview few weeks ago, was out of respect, but I read pondering of implications in his face, of some stories he has given legitimacy to in abstract, that when taken literally to extremes as legitimate will lead to destruction; witnessing his own being appalled by what he was hearing.
What?
For 73 years I wondered why do people, almost instinctively, say "what?" when asked a question, but then answer it correctly without having to hear it fully repeated? So it's not the wording. I'm curious if the same cycle applies to comments. Obviously you have more clues in my comment, than I have in your "what?". That's also unfair to ask me to rewrite my comment again as a reply. Don't you agree?
@rezadaneshi you're trying to sound enigmatic and interesting, but you just sound dumb. Try explaining your comment like a normal person
@@rezadaneshi It is the wording, and you clearly were aware of it and seemingly using it as bait.
It's kind of foolish, if you ask me. A point should be made on its merits, not by confusing the reader enough that they have to ask for clarification.
I apologies for the confusion but clearly, there was only one time in the history that JP was ever speechless in the last million years momentarily and It reminded me of, people talked without talking and people hearing it without listening before the Sounds of Silence that followed in the song. Maybe I think and talk that way when a dry brush in a conversation is a fire hazard. Or maybe there is a scaffolding I can't step off as the bait is the illusion of free speech. But I'm certainly glad to be the first lunatic you run into today.
46:08 “unleash American energy,” strange that China is unleashing its energy, it is building out such a system, stepping away from petroleum, going electric.
Electric powered by coal and nuclear....
China is a really bad example of "What to do" for America.
China has very few oil reserves but lots of coal, so do you really think the environment is the driver?
Going electric by building a new coal plant every two weeks. Missed the point, didn’t you?
where is the electricity coming from? It has to be generated, you can't just dig electricity out of the ground. Coal, gas, solar, nuclear, all use fuel and make electricity. It is extremely difficult and expensive to store electricity, so we use it as we make it.
42:11 “nuclear power plants can’t explode,” like Chernobyl or Fukushima didn’t explode. I’m pro-nuclear but framing your narrative in a falsehood doesn’t help. The plants I mentioned did blow up, they had uncontained melt downs and spewed out fission products into the environment.
Neither of those were explosions of the core. The first was a design that no sane builder would use, the second was due to an earthquake damaging the backup power system.
@@annemouse6788 And Fukushima was contained. Although it's not a bad reason to move away from pressurized water reactors.
Well constructed and operated nuclear power plants don’t explode. Chernobyl was neither. Fukushima was affected by an earthquake.
@@annemouse6788 Youre spoiling his anti-humanism.
@annemouse6788 Those disasters happened because of human negligence. Why should we be sure humans won't screw it up again in new plants?
I hope Chris Wright is taking notes......
47:30 Epstein's 5 key objectives
Assigning a dollar value to life sounds devilish to me
Liar! Epstein values life. Leftists are nihilists/
How much of the over regulation of the nuclear industry was due to the Karen Silkwood case & the illicit trade of Kerr-McGee weapons grade plutonium to Israel?
Out there idea (at least in this culture) what if we need more CO2 in the atmosphere not less. More CO2 for more plants and and the greening of the Earth. Like the satellite data showed over the past 35 years.
Oh man… :DD maybe you should not guess these things, but maybe talk to someone who studied these spheres for their whole life and take a book and study yourself, check ir in labaratory and let us know. Epstein studied computer science, arts, so he may be good at that but really not in nature sciences. Higher tempretures causes longer droughts, kills ocean life… oh man
Hello everyone.
Maybe I'm stupid, but listen to me for a moment.
For life to exist on Earth, certain environmental conditions had to be met:
-There had to be enough of the right molecules, in a "very specific" form, for them to combine.
-there had to be the right temperature as a catalyst for certain chemical reactions to take place at all
Most life on Earth is of hydrocarbon origin.
To be created, it must have the appropriate building blocks:
carbon, but not in its pure form because no form of life absorbs pure carbon. carbon dioxide is the best for the reaction because it contains very reactive oxygen, which leaves carbon after the reaction, which is easy for other atoms, such as hydrogen, to absorb.
Now let's think about what we eat, it's mainly hydrocarbons.
Where do plants get hydrogen and carbon?
I think from air and water (H2O and CO2, it's funny that the molecules that create life are so similar) because not from the soil, which is made mainly of silicon.
In order for humanity to survive, it must increase the production of hydrocarbons.
By depleting the atmosphere of carbon dioxide, we cut ourselves off from the building material for the plants we eat.
We know that we cannot saturate the atmosphere with too much carbon dioxide, but we cannot reduce it to zero, that is paranoia.
Share your thoughts.
Fossil fuels are a need of mans life. Nothing else is important
Alex ,remember there are billions spent on working on problems if you solve the problem we will be out of a job😢.
Build nuclear, make electricity cheap and the rest will take care of itself. Anyone would rather electric heat then fossil fuels. The cost of electric heat items are cheap. The maintenance of an electric furnace or boiler is is almost zero for 25 years plus. Its efficiency is 100 percent. Why wouldn't people want electric. Electricity just needs to be cheap for people to transition.
HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH WES HUFF. PLEASE!
Of course it's nuclear it's been decided. Of the 60 plants in the US 58 are operating along with 98 reactors & 2 plants are approved to be built. It's the only possible means to support the forecasted electric demands.
Dr Peterson - please do a programme on the UK rape gangs scandal
Mikhaila’s doing one next week.
@@AFringedGentianToEnnien many thanks
he interviewed Tommy Robinson twice, look it up.