The John Williams song for Superman is like James Bonds theme. If I don't hear those horns blare by the time the credits roll something has gone wrong.
@@Launchpad05 I remember on a DVD extra for that show, they talked about the theme, compared it to the John Williams version, and somebody said the key to a great Superman theme is you have to be able to sing "Superman" along to it. And goddammit, they were right. If you know the tunes, observe: Williams: bom bomba bom bom, Su-per-man, bom BOMBA BOM BOM, SU-PERMAAAAAAN! TAS: Supermaaaaaan, Supermaaaaaaan, dun, dundunduh, he is Superman
In this day and age, I think a we need a classic Superman movie again. We need an aspirational hero. "You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders." Jor'el
Yeh how else will people have someone to tear down having already made so many into fools because of a stupid ideology where they believe they are owed control of franchises because those franchises didn't always bend over backwards to appeal to them in the past
@@breadordecide Yeah because deconstructions and changing the formula is working so much better. That's why we haven't a good live action Superman movie since 1981.
@@Dwavenhobble Considering that most of those whiny self entitled "fans" of Superman are usually Snyderbros who cares what they think or say. They will tear it down no matter what Gunn does. There hasn't been a good live action Superman movie since the 80s. Maybe it's time to go back to classic Superman storytelling.
Okay, the motion poster's got some haunting... melo...dy... "They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. It is for this reason above all, their capacity for good, that I have sent them you... my only son." GUNN. THIS IS WHY I LOVE YOU.
Keep your expectations measured. Remember everyone got all hyped and hopeful from that first teaser trailer for Man of Steel, where they show Clark leaping into the sky for his first flight, with that really uplifting and dramatic music. And we all know how that turned out.
There's a reason Williams' scores are so beloved. He makes themes that "feel" right. Right for the genre, right for the story, right for the character, whatever. He's really, really good at it. I don't know if this is the right crowd for this reference, but does anyone else go to symphony concerts where they play movie scores? Williams' scores put you INSTANTLY in the headspace of "this movie, that character, this scene". It's a gift, AND the voice of experience.
Re: The Synderverse Cult and their reaction to the new Star War Films. It's important to recognize that the subversion in the two franchises did extremely different things: In Star Wars, the subversion put women and people of colour at the forefront and the anti-franchise legacy message in the mouth of a villain showcasing toxic masculinity. Whereas in the Synderverse, they turned the heroes into pillars of the values of toxic masculinity. That's what the cult actually cares about: toxic masculinity. It's why I would argue that Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice didn't work: the fundamental ideas driving superheroes in general and especially Superman and Batman are in direct conflict with the values of toxic masculinity.
I always took Superman as a rejection of absolute power corrupts absolutely. That's what makes him interesting. He's the most powerful man in the world and at heart he's just a kid from Kansas trying to do the right thing. There's something they say about Batman in that if you can't see Batman helping a child, you haven't written Batman. Well I think the Superman version is, if you're Superman would have second thoughts about getting a cat out of tree for a little girl, then you haven't written Superman.
THIS...that part is what Gunn needs to nail here with Superman. He just also has to do it in such a way that it connects with a larger, jaded 21st Century audience. No pressure!
@@johnathonhaney8291 I don't think the audience is jaded per say, but you can't just have a superhero media just be superhero media it's gotta do something or say something interesting. Like I don't think the boys is popular just cause they have blood and sex(though I'm sure it contributes.) I feel like it's popular cause of the political intrigue in the show. Like it's popular cause the characters can't always punch their way out of a situation. They make alliances, they trick each other, one side gets the upper hand and then the other does and so on. I do think some of it is what crazy things are going to happen now, but some of it is "who's gonna win." I don't think audiences are jaded, but I do think you gotta be more interesting than " do weird superhero things"
@@darkmyro For sure, but in a way that aligns with Superman at his best. After so many alt-versions of the character, I'd really like to see something close to the version I love.
I want you to make an epic long video called "Why I love Superman, and why he means so much to me." I want you to get the Superman you've been dreaming of, but me since my entire 41 year old life, I never got Superman, or thought he was cool or interesting. Sell me on Superman Bobby boy!
If that fanfare comes up at the right moment in the movie I will ugly cry. The same way I ugly cry every time Aragorn tells the Hobbits they kneel to no one.
For me it works like the Bond theme. When you hear it during the Cold Open and Superman isn't in any danger, he's just being peak Superman... And then it goes away until late in Act 3, when the big bad has almost won and Superman has no choicr left but to throw his first *serious* punch of the whole movie.
The same way I ugly cry at the viking-funeral-sinking of an inanimate cartoon boat damaged beyond repair, every time, still, lo these seventeen years later.
@@jamesfirecat6652 -- Today I finally realized that everything Superman does is the equivalent of helping his neighbours carry the garbage downstairs after work. Like, the world may not know Clark Kent is Superman, but they *must* know he has a day job and that Superman is his spare-time hobby.
When the Snyder Superman movies came out I had a really bad feeling. A good friend went to see them. I asked what he thought: Don't go see them. You'll hate them. It's SuperRand. Broke my damn heart. As a kid, Supes was my guy. So yeah. I want to see Supes for real. The real deal.
Are all the Snyder bros "aging?" 😐 ... I'm glad I'm smart enough to realize that NOT ALL aging nerds are Snyder bros. (Me and Bob included. It's really obvious when you think about it. 😅) But I did scare my 40yo azz right out my seat for a second. Felt the cold shiver of death and cultural irrelevance on my back. Cringe in my soul. Alright. I'm back. Carry on. 😌☕
@@ShovelChef They’re either aging man children who think MauLer and Critical Drinker are good sources of media criticism or are angry young people who claim things they don’t like are “woke”
@@ShovelChef Yeah, it's obvious most of the Snyder cult are in my age bracket (I've quite a few years on you and Mr Chipman), the same crowd I used to see hype Image Comics back in the day and who never stopped thinking adulthood and maturity looked like a teenage power fantasy. Middle age bites for folks like that.
They released a teaser 5 hours ago and yeah it has the same music. They didn’t reveal much tomorrows full trailer will show more. Also just searched “James Gunn Superman Woke” and yeah people are already pissed off about it.
I think we're at the point where complaining about using John Williams' classic in a Superman movie that seems to be evoking the sort of personality and ethos of a classic Superman is akin to complaining about hearing Monty Norman in James Bond films.
Or the Star Wars theme in a Stat Wars movie or the Avengers theme in an Avengers movie or the Indiana Jones theme in an Indiana Jone movie. Keeping a singular theme unites the fandom and creates an emotional level of brand awareness that can only be achieved through music.
Based on how I got misty eyed hearing the theme on the motion poster and then this morning seeing the teaser for the teaser (which is still a funny thing to say), goosebumps and heart in my throat too. Glad to see Bob having the same feelings as me because this character really means a lot to me ever since I was a kid. Please James Gunn, stick this landing!
The advertising algorithm is on point for this video! I got the full Superman trailer halfway through, and an ad for "Goodnights" at the end! 😂 My guess is it picked up on Bob saying "filled thier diapers" 😂😂😂
2025 is shaping up already to be one of the worst years imaginable. Maybe it's ridiculous and stupid that the thought of genuine Superman movie that is not embarrassed about its protagonist is such a ray of hope for me - but it is. We need this. I'm trying to not get my hopes up too much. But damn, those notes from the theme...you're not the only one Bob.
I didn't hate man of steel, mostly because I really liked Henry Cavil as superman, but I'm really hoping this new one is as earnest and "boy scout" as possible. I'm tired of super hero stuff either needing to be a "deconstruction" , satire, pessimistic, etc. Superman should represent hope and goodness which is something I def. would like to feel. Also gotta say it's gratifying to see you get emotional Bob, you're a real dude on youtube which is a rarity so keep knocking it out of the park.
Yeah, absolutely nothing wrong with the classic take of the most classic model superhero out there. It just needs to connect with our world to be a success, which is the big question that has yet to be answered.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I think the Superman and Lois show did a pretty decent take of classic superman disposition but put in modern scenarios that challenged him. It was really well done and I could see a younger version of that working well in this but time will tell I suppose.
@@Alakaizer Oh yeah, I forget about that one. It was also great, Hughie did a good turn as supes voice and was a pretty cool story I just didn't like how they changed the metas origins. Still also a good example of superman done right.
I hope this isn't another instance like Man of Steel, where the trailer and promotional material seemed promising but the movie itself ended up massively disappointing. It probably won't be, James Gunn feels like a better fit for this material than Zack Snyder and has a better track record when it comes to this stuff, but still, tempered expectations.
11:08 It’s also sampled in “Quest for Camelot” (one of my favorite 90s Non-Disney animated movies) when the cowardice character learns to fly and has their Heroic moment. 👌🏻 Great vid Bob! True Superman fans are excited for James Gunn Superman 🙌🏻
Feels less seasonal and more existential at this point. Our Mr Chipman is really looking at his life choices and wondering what he can do now. I hope for the best on that front for him.
I came to see this video this after seeing the trailer. And that trailer... it brought me to tears. Stupid, I know, but I hope it is as good as it makes me feel. fingers crossed for Gunn's DC with you, Bob.
While I am anything but your level of hyped, I can also say that if it moved you, it wasn't stupid. And I truly hope for your sake that the film is everything you want it to be.
While I was a tiny bit disappointed that Bob didn't go into more speculation as to what the film is about like he teased at the end of Part I, (I think he is more than likely saving that for when the trailer drops tomorrow so he can make a Part III to this Big Picture subseries), I have to agree. Chills and goosebumps after hearing that new remix and/or arrangement of the John Williams Superman theme (whichever it is, does it really matter, it's beautiful and emotionally affecting either way?!) I think that James Gunn is POTENTIALLY going to succeed where both Bryan Singer and Zack Snyder failed, and make a new Superman movie that is in the same league, if not, BETTER, than the 1978 Richard Donner classic. I remember when I saw the trailers for Man of Steel a decade ago, and I tried to convice myself that Man of Steel was a great Superman movie for the three years between its release and the release of Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, which made the scales of just how bad and flawed Man of Steel was in retrospect fall from my eyes. Given how amazing the Man of Steel trailers were (I still think the Man of Steel trailers still hold up as objectively great film marketing material, even if the film didn't deliver on what those trailers were advertising), maybe James Gunn's Superman will not just give me the best Superman film since Richard Donner's 1978 classic, but also the Superman film that the Man of Steel trailers were advertising?! If James Gunn's Superman delivers on BOTH OF THOSE ASPECTS, I am saying something very bold: James Gunn's Superman may actually achieve what The Dark Knight, The Avengers, Black Panther, and Joker failed to do and be the first comic book film to be both nominated for and win the Best Picture Oscar, as well as HOPEFULLY AGAINST ALL HOPE, a Best Director Oscar nomination and/or win for James Gunn, with Gunn successfully becoming the Peter Jackson of comic book superhero films. (YES, I KNOW I SOUND LIKE I'M GETTING WAY AHEAD OF MYSELF THERE AND GETTING CARRIED AWAY, BUT LET ME DREAM, DAMN IT!)
I'm not entirely sold on this. The John Williams theme is great, but using it tells me that James Gunn is relying heavily on nostalgia, and that didn't even work for Superman Returns. I'm highly skeptical- but very optimistic.
Oh I got one for any Superman show or movie to use. If you ever have bizarro just take that theme and do it backwards. So instead of duh-duh-duh-duuuuh duh, it’s duh duuuuh-duh-duh-duh. Just thinking about it sounds weird and off enough to be perfect for Bizarro.
DC films was dying under the Snyder vision for the ip, I think the little success they had early on was due to the popularity of comicbook movies in general at the time due to the mcu. That popularity has now faded, and no matter how good this Superman film turns out to be, it may not be enough to get people out to see this ip again in numbers that WB needs to continue on. That said, I'm a marvel guy, but Superman is my favorite dc character by far and hope Gunn has recaptured the character in the way Reeves represented him as being larger than life. Day 1.
You're pretty much echoing my fears here. This film needs to be extraordinary enough to hook into the cultural zeitgeist for it to succeed like it needs to. Otherwise, it's twilight's last gleaming.
There has never been a bad casting choice for Superman. Cavill's Superman is only bad because of the take on the character and how he was used in the DCEU. Henry Cavill as a pure, one-to-one interpretation in a straight, authentic Superman movie would have been 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
This was my first exposure to the motion poster and when my recognition kicked in, I actually gasped a little. Grew up watching the Christopher Reeve movies on VHS and even thought Superman has never been my favorite, but that depiction has always been the gold standard of what a "Super Hero" should be. I have faith in James Gunn, he hasn't steered me wrong yet.
Superman was the first movie that my Dad took me to as a child. This hits right in the heart for me. If they play this in the movie I will be sobbing. Heck I was tearing up reading the comments in this video when someone was quoting Jor El from the movies.
I like the bit about things that are synonymous with Superman that didn’t originate with the comics, in particular listing Kryptonite among those things. To think, one of the major pillars of Superman’s mythos, something that people use to describe a character’s one weakness in media, actually came from “The Adventures of Superman” radio serial in 1943. Heck, even Superman’s ability to fly came from the Fleischer cartoons; originally Superman just jumped long distances, but they didn’t want to have to animate Superman landing repeatedly. It’s all fascinating stuff, and it’s why I’m fascinated with long-running serialized media, and how they add stuff, change, and evolve over time.
Really happy that Bob and others who hold Superman in a special place in their hearts seem to be getting an on-screen version of the character that feels like it might be made with some compassion and care.
In regards to the theme and nostalgia and all that: the main reason I like Superman Returns is because I can't stop misremembering the plane scene. In my mind, in the moment before he lays down the plane, there's a beat of dead silence followed by a single horn playing the opening line of the theme just before the crowd loses its mind cheering, and I can't even picture this imaginary version of the movie without needing to wipe my eyes.
I think that one of the flaws of so many of the DC films has been the deeply cynical worldview. These have been rough times, for me and many others. I want some optimism.
My reaction: Wow, that is a _pretty_ poster with some _sweet_ music! 😊 Side note, I continue to be astonished by the sheer number of things UA-cam taught me exist. I'd honestly never seen a motion poster before in my life.
holy shit, i was sitting here wondering "why the hell is Bob being so nice to Singer? that dude's a piece of shit" until he mentioned Justice League and i remembered that the Snyderverse was a thing that existed that i had somehow finally successfully memory-holed 😆
The world is on fire. The economy, politics, culture, everything. It's all a mess. I feel like a classic Superman story about good people doing good things for good reasons is exactly what we need right now. I mean, I don't even LIKE Superman. I think he's kindof boring as a hero and I'm not particularly interested in the kinds of stories he's good at telling. But if we can just have ONE good Superman movie, an honest "defender of the weak and downtrodden" flick that just knocks it out of the park with a solid 9/10 well.... idk maybe things might be okay someday.
He's only boring when badly written, which is frequently, focus too much on the "Super" and not enough on the "man". Great anthologies like Superman Red & Blue and wonderful stories like All-Star Superman correct that imbalance, lean into the weird but also remember the human heart.
Superman is the standard for the super hero, and the secret of his character has always been country boy that wants to help people that just happens to be the most powerful alien on Earth. Man of Steel and everything that followed were obsessed with reimagining, subverting, and everything but telling that basic and essential story for Superman. His default and reason for being. Will James Gunn make the perfect Superman movie, where we get a chance to have an aspirational character that speaks to the better aspects of our nature? No idea, but this is literally just a teaser. Making a massive hullabaloo over it other than commenting on what you see is more than a little pointless, good or ill. If people are too worked up over the previous vision of DCU to give this a chance, they will never accept anything that comes along anyway.
The latter is anything but the core audience Gunn is aiming for...and rightly so. But to get everyone else onboard will require skill I have yet to see proof he can pull off.
100% with you bob. If gunn can emulate even just a fraction of the moment where reeves takes off first flight, or saving lois in the helicoptor, i will be a puddle
Zack Snyder is one of my favorite filmmakers, and I even liked what he did with Superman and the rest of the DCEU. But maybe its a combination of that and almost a decade of having more Snyder, Injustices and Homelanders than actual Superman, that seeing what Gunn is doing with Superman makes me not only excited, but feel hopeful and warm about a movie, which made me stop and realize that this is the first movie to come out in my lifetime (I'm 25) about Superman that actually makes me feel that.
If this movie actually does "save the day," then one of the benefits will be that we no longer need to spend any more time worrying what Snyder's fans think of it. We can ALL move on.
The cult won't give up, not all of them. They'll keep review bombing and hating and harassing because there's a network of grifters who make a living off of it. They'll lose numbers over the years but I'm afraid those mentally challenged individuals will never fully relent.
Between this and the last episode, I can kinda see where Bob is headed with his thesis and while the obvious social and economic comparison is 1978, I’m going to go with 2002.
@@EtruskenRaider I always call that one "the summer of good movies". Not just Spiderman but also Minority Report, Road To Perdition, the Matrix sequels, Scooby Doo. Still got fond memories of it.
I'm hesitant to put everything on one creator for something like this, but James Gunn has shown that he understands the assignment thus far, so I'm willing to trust that this will be a return to form for Superman.
The CW superman series set a great precedent on how a GOOD modern day superman story can look like. Even if Gunns superman movie bombs (which i doubt) we at least have some good superman to fall back on
Let's just freeze Bob in this moment in time, where he has this level of hope. I'm not saying this movie will be bad or anything. Just that the reality of an entire movie will have a hard time measuring up to pure emotion. I really hope it does though.
Oh the moment "wait are they doing" clicked I got a little misty-eyed. Then I paused, looked it up for myself and got a little more. However you feel about Man of Steel as a standalone piece, it failed at what it was supposed to do for the studio.
I'm very optimistic about this. James Gunn has not had a miss in the superhero genre that I can remember. We'll get something ranging from a good movie to a masterpiece, and that's exactly what DC needs after the disaster that was everything after man of steel. Also, yeah, an honest to god good Superman movie will do big numbers, no matter what the Snyder fans say. It will hit like a truck for old fans like Bob and me and a whole lot of others, but casual fans? families looking for a good time with the kids? It will make a lot of money with that audience too
I legit had tears when I heard the music. I started my (very infant) channel with no intention of doing any kind of reaction videos, but I have to do a trailer reaction. This movie... gives hope.
When I saw BvS, the big feeling I remember was...boredom. So much had been ripped off from better source material and the new stuff was just dull. Mr Chipman's teardown helped explain my reaction.
Hi Bob! Long-time fan, infrequent commenter. Just wanna say I’m really excited to see your reaction to this trailer. I dislike BVS so strongly that watching your content around the time of it’s release was a kind of catharsis, with RTB:BVS being in my frequent rotation because of how throughly it dismantles and analyses its failure. It determines cause of death and performs the autopsy. But now it’s time for Superman to live again, to truly live. And it will be equally cathartic to get your take on that.
I'm not sure I've seen a James Gunn piece where the music - particularly the needle drops - weren't just *chef's kiss* perfect. If a riff on the John Williams theme gets used in the film, it is going to be at the perfect moment and there will be many many 45+ year olds with tears pouring from their eyes unashamedly ... and I'll be one of them.
Honestly I never fully got why films stayed away from using familiar themes and such, with old characters like these new elements get attached all the time it can't all be from issue 1 of the comic. Batman TAS used the Danny Elfman theme despite not being in the same universe and it further solidified it, I don't see why Micheal Giacchino had to dance around.
I think they do it for the same reasons they always change fundamental things in adaptations, Hollywood people are insecure and need to put their fingerprints on something or they're subconsciously admitting that someone else, possibly in a different medium, is better at storytelling than them.
I noticed the Zimmerman stuff more than the Williams score. Regardless? That music is beautiful and so PERFECT for a Superman movie, especially the one Gunn seems planning to make: it conveys wonder and awe and . . . Gentleness.
Consider how badly Superman was mishandled on the silver screen last decade. Add in the current state of this country and world. All that in mind, the hype is more understandable to me, if highly misplaced.
@johnathonhaney8291 I suppose? But Americans do truly rely too heavily on using their media consumption and nostalgia related to it to "fix them" as opposed to doing anything to materially help the world around them. Building a good community would do far more than waiting for a movie to hit the right spots
I would not classify myself as a Superman fan. I have seen none of the Christopher Reeves movies, nor the new tv series. But I would say that theough the DC animated universe from the 90s and 00s, I have an appreciation for what Superman is supposed to be. Which is why I didn't care for the Injustice or the Snyder versions. All that being said, that music cue brought tears to my eyes and actually gave me hope. Trust in James Gunn.
Funny I was just reading this: "The film’s score, composed by John Murphy, will include nods to John Williams’ classic Superman theme while creating something new. “It’s not a soundtrack, so it’s not about the songs,” Gunn noted. “It’s much, much more of a score film.” Source: TheWrap
A lot of people are saying there are references to the Hans Zimmer score, but I think they're misinterpreting it, because the first few seconds are actually the Kansas leitmotif from John Williams' original score in 1978. Check out the track "Leaving Home" from the original score, it's very strong in that.
personally not a fan of the red briefs, but I do agree that the lower body does need something to break up the blue and the briefs are the only thing that's been tried that actually looks decent.
The John Williams song for Superman is like James Bonds theme. If I don't hear those horns blare by the time the credits roll something has gone wrong.
100%!
Shriley Walker's theme for 'The Animated Series' is also A good 'Superman' theme.
@@Launchpad05 I remember on a DVD extra for that show, they talked about the theme, compared it to the John Williams version, and somebody said the key to a great Superman theme is you have to be able to sing "Superman" along to it. And goddammit, they were right. If you know the tunes, observe:
Williams: bom bomba bom bom, Su-per-man, bom BOMBA BOM BOM, SU-PERMAAAAAAN!
TAS: Supermaaaaaan, Supermaaaaaaan, dun, dundunduh, he is Superman
Fleischer Cartoons: Su-per Maaan! Su-per Maaan! Su-perman, Su-perman, Su-perman! SU-PER MAN!
Su-per Maaan! Su-per Ma-Haaan! Su-perman, Su-perman, Su-permaaan... Su-perman, Su-perman, Su-perMAAAN!
@@ChissHansen Filmation Superman: It's Suuuuperman, Man Of Steel, Suuupermaaaaan.
In this day and age, I think a we need a classic Superman movie again. We need an aspirational hero. "You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders." Jor'el
Yeh how else will people have someone to tear down having already made so many into fools because of a stupid ideology where they believe they are owed control of franchises because those franchises didn't always bend over backwards to appeal to them in the past
Pretty sure that's why Irredeemable ended the way it did.
Watch superman returns. This is not a good idea.
@@breadordecide Yeah because deconstructions and changing the formula is working so much better. That's why we haven't a good live action Superman movie since 1981.
@@Dwavenhobble Considering that most of those whiny self entitled "fans" of Superman are usually Snyderbros who cares what they think or say. They will tear it down no matter what Gunn does. There hasn't been a good live action Superman movie since the 80s. Maybe it's time to go back to classic Superman storytelling.
Not even finished watching this and already I want to watch Bob’s Really That Good episode about Superman: The Movie again…
Okay, the motion poster's got some haunting... melo...dy...
"They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. It is for this reason above all, their capacity for good, that I have sent them you... my only son."
GUNN. THIS IS WHY I LOVE YOU.
A superman trailer displaying the thing superman instills...Hope
Zach Snyder has stated he's an Ayn Rand loving objectivist. That philosophy renders one incapable of understanding The concept of Superman.
Holy cautious optimism! 😮
Once my brain figured out what the music was... my eyes became flooded.....
Holy shit.
I'm not even a DC guy, but... holy shit.
"Chills. Literal chills."
Yeah. I did the EXACT SAME THING.
Keep your expectations measured. Remember everyone got all hyped and hopeful from that first teaser trailer for Man of Steel, where they show Clark leaping into the sky for his first flight, with that really uplifting and dramatic music. And we all know how that turned out.
There's a reason Williams' scores are so beloved. He makes themes that "feel" right. Right for the genre, right for the story, right for the character, whatever. He's really, really good at it.
I don't know if this is the right crowd for this reference, but does anyone else go to symphony concerts where they play movie scores? Williams' scores put you INSTANTLY in the headspace of "this movie, that character, this scene". It's a gift, AND the voice of experience.
Re: The Synderverse Cult and their reaction to the new Star War Films.
It's important to recognize that the subversion in the two franchises did extremely different things: In Star Wars, the subversion put women and people of colour at the forefront and the anti-franchise legacy message in the mouth of a villain showcasing toxic masculinity. Whereas in the Synderverse, they turned the heroes into pillars of the values of toxic masculinity. That's what the cult actually cares about: toxic masculinity. It's why I would argue that Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice didn't work: the fundamental ideas driving superheroes in general and especially Superman and Batman are in direct conflict with the values of toxic masculinity.
This is an excellent argument. 🤓
I always took Superman as a rejection of absolute power corrupts absolutely. That's what makes him interesting. He's the most powerful man in the world and at heart he's just a kid from Kansas trying to do the right thing. There's something they say about Batman in that if you can't see Batman helping a child, you haven't written Batman. Well I think the Superman version is, if you're Superman would have second thoughts about getting a cat out of tree for a little girl, then you haven't written Superman.
THIS...that part is what Gunn needs to nail here with Superman. He just also has to do it in such a way that it connects with a larger, jaded 21st Century audience. No pressure!
@@johnathonhaney8291 I don't think the audience is jaded per say, but you can't just have a superhero media just be superhero media it's gotta do something or say something interesting. Like I don't think the boys is popular just cause they have blood and sex(though I'm sure it contributes.) I feel like it's popular cause of the political intrigue in the show. Like it's popular cause the characters can't always punch their way out of a situation. They make alliances, they trick each other, one side gets the upper hand and then the other does and so on. I do think some of it is what crazy things are going to happen now, but some of it is "who's gonna win." I don't think audiences are jaded, but I do think you gotta be more interesting than " do weird superhero things"
@@darkmyro For sure, but in a way that aligns with Superman at his best. After so many alt-versions of the character, I'd really like to see something close to the version I love.
Superman's whole character says power doesn't corrupt it reveals and imagine if a good man had this power.
I want you to make an epic long video called "Why I love Superman, and why he means so much to me." I want you to get the Superman you've been dreaming of, but me since my entire 41 year old life, I never got Superman, or thought he was cool or interesting. Sell me on Superman Bobby boy!
If that fanfare comes up at the right moment in the movie I will ugly cry. The same way I ugly cry every time Aragorn tells the Hobbits they kneel to no one.
For me it works like the Bond theme. When you hear it during the Cold Open and Superman isn't in any danger, he's just being peak Superman...
And then it goes away until late in Act 3, when the big bad has almost won and Superman has no choicr left but to throw his first *serious* punch of the whole movie.
The same way I ugly cry at the viking-funeral-sinking of an inanimate cartoon boat damaged beyond repair, every time, still, lo these seventeen years later.
@@GrizabeeblesSuperman needing to explain to some villain that he feels like he lives in a world made of cardboard…
@@jamesfirecat6652 -- Today I finally realized that everything Superman does is the equivalent of helping his neighbours carry the garbage downstairs after work.
Like, the world may not know Clark Kent is Superman, but they *must* know he has a day job and that Superman is his spare-time hobby.
That part of ROTK remains one of my favourite moments in all of cinema. I ugly cry every time 😂
That music just got my heart racing. So excited. Love you, Bob! Never change.
I hope this superman move is a warm hug.
Lines like "Kingdom Comey version" are why I love you work.
I think the new version of John Williams' Superman Theme is not a re-mix but a whole new re-arrangement
That's accurate enough. I bet you're a musician.
Yeah. People casually use "remix" and "new arrangement" interchangeably. Most people don't know what arranging actually entails
When the Snyder Superman movies came out I had a really bad feeling. A good friend went to see them. I asked what he thought: Don't go see them. You'll hate them. It's SuperRand.
Broke my damn heart. As a kid, Supes was my guy.
So yeah. I want to see Supes for real. The real deal.
Snyderbros are already hating on this hardcore
Snyderbros: Ugh it’s not juvenile and edgy it’s not TAKING ME SERIOUSLY
ITS NOT A PHASE MOMMM
Those useless aging nerds who can't admit they were beaten despite all the cheats they pulled? Never worth listening to.
Are all the Snyder bros "aging?" 😐
... I'm glad I'm smart enough to realize that NOT ALL aging nerds are Snyder bros. (Me and Bob included. It's really obvious when you think about it. 😅) But I did scare my 40yo azz right out my seat for a second. Felt the cold shiver of death and cultural irrelevance on my back. Cringe in my soul.
Alright. I'm back. Carry on. 😌☕
@@ShovelChef They’re either aging man children who think MauLer and Critical Drinker are good sources of media criticism or are angry young people who claim things they don’t like are “woke”
@@ShovelChef Yeah, it's obvious most of the Snyder cult are in my age bracket (I've quite a few years on you and Mr Chipman), the same crowd I used to see hype Image Comics back in the day and who never stopped thinking adulthood and maturity looked like a teenage power fantasy.
Middle age bites for folks like that.
They released a teaser 5 hours ago and yeah it has the same music.
They didn’t reveal much tomorrows full trailer will show more.
Also just searched “James Gunn Superman Woke” and yeah people are already pissed off about it.
Those people are never worth listening to. And their reflexive naysaying is no guarantee of actual quality.
Superman without that theme is like Jaws without the Dun Dun.
I think we're at the point where complaining about using John Williams' classic in a Superman movie that seems to be evoking the sort of personality and ethos of a classic Superman is akin to complaining about hearing Monty Norman in James Bond films.
Indeed. They play that same song in every single movie. “What’s the deal with that?”
It's helpful as a shorthand. It's just what follows needs to also deliver.
Or the Star Wars theme in a Stat Wars movie or the Avengers theme in an Avengers movie or the Indiana Jones theme in an Indiana Jone movie.
Keeping a singular theme unites the fandom and creates an emotional level of brand awareness that can only be achieved through music.
I'm with you Bob, the big blue boyscout may finally get his due
Gunn is going to hit this out of the park. The Snyder Bros can officially shut up and sit down.
awww I'm not crying, you're crying . . .
Who is cutting some onions?
Based on how I got misty eyed hearing the theme on the motion poster and then this morning seeing the teaser for the teaser (which is still a funny thing to say), goosebumps and heart in my throat too. Glad to see Bob having the same feelings as me because this character really means a lot to me ever since I was a kid. Please James Gunn, stick this landing!
I haven't paid much attention to anything DC movies for a while but my ears are officially pricked the hell up...
The advertising algorithm is on point for this video! I got the full Superman trailer halfway through, and an ad for "Goodnights" at the end! 😂
My guess is it picked up on Bob saying "filled thier diapers" 😂😂😂
John Williams' theme is the ONLY Superman Theme as far as I am concerned
The animated series theme is amazing too.
2025 is shaping up already to be one of the worst years imaginable. Maybe it's ridiculous and stupid that the thought of genuine Superman movie that is not embarrassed about its protagonist is such a ray of hope for me - but it is. We need this. I'm trying to not get my hopes up too much. But damn, those notes from the theme...you're not the only one Bob.
I wish I could feel the same. But I need to see it before I can believe it.
I didn't hate man of steel, mostly because I really liked Henry Cavil as superman, but I'm really hoping this new one is as earnest and "boy scout" as possible. I'm tired of super hero stuff either needing to be a "deconstruction" , satire, pessimistic, etc. Superman should represent hope and goodness which is something I def. would like to feel. Also gotta say it's gratifying to see you get emotional Bob, you're a real dude on youtube which is a rarity so keep knocking it out of the park.
Yeah, absolutely nothing wrong with the classic take of the most classic model superhero out there. It just needs to connect with our world to be a success, which is the big question that has yet to be answered.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I think the Superman and Lois show did a pretty decent take of classic superman disposition but put in modern scenarios that challenged him. It was really well done and I could see a younger version of that working well in this but time will tell I suppose.
Check out My Adventures with Superman. It's pretty great.
@@Alakaizer Oh yeah, I forget about that one. It was also great, Hughie did a good turn as supes voice and was a pretty cool story I just didn't like how they changed the metas origins. Still also a good example of superman done right.
When that poster's music played, all the hairs on my head stood straight the hell up!! 🤩🤩
I hope this isn't another instance like Man of Steel, where the trailer and promotional material seemed promising but the movie itself ended up massively disappointing. It probably won't be, James Gunn feels like a better fit for this material than Zack Snyder and has a better track record when it comes to this stuff, but still, tempered expectations.
"this particular filmmaker can... do something...very special"
You can just say it. Heroic.
I recommend playing the Superman theme over the ending of The Iron Giant. You know, if you’re trying to wreck yourself
11:08
It’s also sampled in “Quest for Camelot” (one of my favorite 90s Non-Disney animated movies) when the cowardice character learns to fly and has their Heroic moment. 👌🏻
Great vid Bob! True Superman fans are excited for James Gunn Superman 🙌🏻
Self care is important, clean yourself up Bob to combat that seasonal depression.
Feels less seasonal and more existential at this point. Our Mr Chipman is really looking at his life choices and wondering what he can do now. I hope for the best on that front for him.
@ He’s got a great mind, and very creative with an encyclopedic knowledge of film and video games. He could be anything he wanted.
I came to see this video this after seeing the trailer. And that trailer... it brought me to tears. Stupid, I know, but I hope it is as good as it makes me feel. fingers crossed for Gunn's DC with you, Bob.
While I am anything but your level of hyped, I can also say that if it moved you, it wasn't stupid. And I truly hope for your sake that the film is everything you want it to be.
The DCEU was so bad, it nearly killed WB 😂😂😂
Gunn is the hero we need right now
While I was a tiny bit disappointed that Bob didn't go into more speculation as to what the film is about like he teased at the end of Part I, (I think he is more than likely saving that for when the trailer drops tomorrow so he can make a Part III to this Big Picture subseries), I have to agree. Chills and goosebumps after hearing that new remix and/or arrangement of the John Williams Superman theme (whichever it is, does it really matter, it's beautiful and emotionally affecting either way?!) I think that James Gunn is POTENTIALLY going to succeed where both Bryan Singer and Zack Snyder failed, and make a new Superman movie that is in the same league, if not, BETTER, than the 1978 Richard Donner classic.
I remember when I saw the trailers for Man of Steel a decade ago, and I tried to convice myself that Man of Steel was a great Superman movie for the three years between its release and the release of Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, which made the scales of just how bad and flawed Man of Steel was in retrospect fall from my eyes. Given how amazing the Man of Steel trailers were (I still think the Man of Steel trailers still hold up as objectively great film marketing material, even if the film didn't deliver on what those trailers were advertising), maybe James Gunn's Superman will not just give me the best Superman film since Richard Donner's 1978 classic, but also the Superman film that the Man of Steel trailers were advertising?!
If James Gunn's Superman delivers on BOTH OF THOSE ASPECTS, I am saying something very bold: James Gunn's Superman may actually achieve what The Dark Knight, The Avengers, Black Panther, and Joker failed to do and be the first comic book film to be both nominated for and win the Best Picture Oscar, as well as HOPEFULLY AGAINST ALL HOPE, a Best Director Oscar nomination and/or win for James Gunn, with Gunn successfully becoming the Peter Jackson of comic book superhero films. (YES, I KNOW I SOUND LIKE I'M GETTING WAY AHEAD OF MYSELF THERE AND GETTING CARRIED AWAY, BUT LET ME DREAM, DAMN IT!)
I'm not entirely sold on this. The John Williams theme is great, but using it tells me that James Gunn is relying heavily on nostalgia, and that didn't even work for Superman Returns.
I'm highly skeptical- but very optimistic.
Having seen the trailer...I'm optimistic that it will be decent to good. I am far less optimistic on living up to the hype Mr Chipman is buying into.
Oh I got one for any Superman show or movie to use. If you ever have bizarro just take that theme and do it backwards. So instead of duh-duh-duh-duuuuh duh, it’s duh duuuuh-duh-duh-duh. Just thinking about it sounds weird and off enough to be perfect for Bizarro.
DC films was dying under the Snyder vision for the ip, I think the little success they had early on was due to the popularity of comicbook movies in general at the time due to the mcu. That popularity has now faded, and no matter how good this Superman film turns out to be, it may not be enough to get people out to see this ip again in numbers that WB needs to continue on. That said, I'm a marvel guy, but Superman is my favorite dc character by far and hope Gunn has recaptured the character in the way Reeves represented him as being larger than life. Day 1.
You're pretty much echoing my fears here. This film needs to be extraordinary enough to hook into the cultural zeitgeist for it to succeed like it needs to. Otherwise, it's twilight's last gleaming.
There has never been a bad casting choice for Superman. Cavill's Superman is only bad because of the take on the character and how he was used in the DCEU. Henry Cavill as a pure, one-to-one interpretation in a straight, authentic Superman movie would have been 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
"Maybes are only for the loser." --Matt Wagner
New day, new film, new Superman...may it be all that we hope it is.
This was my first exposure to the motion poster and when my recognition kicked in, I actually gasped a little. Grew up watching the Christopher Reeve movies on VHS and even thought Superman has never been my favorite, but that depiction has always been the gold standard of what a "Super Hero" should be. I have faith in James Gunn, he hasn't steered me wrong yet.
I am so excited for the teaser trailer tomorrow.
Superman was the first movie that my Dad took me to as a child. This hits right in the heart for me. If they play this in the movie I will be sobbing. Heck I was tearing up reading the comments in this video when someone was quoting Jor El from the movies.
I like the bit about things that are synonymous with Superman that didn’t originate with the comics, in particular listing Kryptonite among those things. To think, one of the major pillars of Superman’s mythos, something that people use to describe a character’s one weakness in media, actually came from “The Adventures of Superman” radio serial in 1943. Heck, even Superman’s ability to fly came from the Fleischer cartoons; originally Superman just jumped long distances, but they didn’t want to have to animate Superman landing repeatedly. It’s all fascinating stuff, and it’s why I’m fascinated with long-running serialized media, and how they add stuff, change, and evolve over time.
The fact that Bob made a video of this, is awesome
Really happy that Bob and others who hold Superman in a special place in their hearts seem to be getting an on-screen version of the character that feels like it might be made with some compassion and care.
In regards to the theme and nostalgia and all that: the main reason I like Superman Returns is because I can't stop misremembering the plane scene. In my mind, in the moment before he lays down the plane, there's a beat of dead silence followed by a single horn playing the opening line of the theme just before the crowd loses its mind cheering, and I can't even picture this imaginary version of the movie without needing to wipe my eyes.
Good call waiting on the trailer! I'm really looking forward to it
I think that one of the flaws of so many of the DC films has been the deeply cynical worldview. These have been rough times, for me and many others. I want some optimism.
Oh, hell yeah. Cynicism is soul-killing and in superhero movies, it's poison.
I have noticed more and more positive comments the more we see of this new Superman movie
Reminder: people thought the same of Man Of Steel before the actual movie dropped. Pay attention to the trailer tomorrow before assuming anything.
James Gunn has saved troubled productions so often, I want the Superman theme to start playing whenever HE enters a room!
9:16 It literally screams 🎵Su-per-man🎵
Good god. It's been a long time since Superman truly embodied hope instead of angst. The motion poster is 🔥
My reaction: Wow, that is a _pretty_ poster with some _sweet_ music! 😊
Side note, I continue to be astonished by the sheer number of things UA-cam taught me exist. I'd honestly never seen a motion poster before in my life.
Good on you for getting this out now, hope the algorithm rewards you
holy shit, i was sitting here wondering "why the hell is Bob being so nice to Singer? that dude's a piece of shit" until he mentioned Justice League and i remembered that the Snyderverse was a thing that existed that i had somehow finally successfully memory-holed 😆
The world is on fire. The economy, politics, culture, everything. It's all a mess. I feel like a classic Superman story about good people doing good things for good reasons is exactly what we need right now. I mean, I don't even LIKE Superman. I think he's kindof boring as a hero and I'm not particularly interested in the kinds of stories he's good at telling. But if we can just have ONE good Superman movie, an honest "defender of the weak and downtrodden" flick that just knocks it out of the park with a solid 9/10 well.... idk maybe things might be okay someday.
He's only boring when badly written, which is frequently, focus too much on the "Super" and not enough on the "man". Great anthologies like Superman Red & Blue and wonderful stories like All-Star Superman correct that imbalance, lean into the weird but also remember the human heart.
Superman is the standard for the super hero, and the secret of his character has always been country boy that wants to help people that just happens to be the most powerful alien on Earth.
Man of Steel and everything that followed were obsessed with reimagining, subverting, and everything but telling that basic and essential story for Superman. His default and reason for being.
Will James Gunn make the perfect Superman movie, where we get a chance to have an aspirational character that speaks to the better aspects of our nature? No idea, but this is literally just a teaser. Making a massive hullabaloo over it other than commenting on what you see is more than a little pointless, good or ill. If people are too worked up over the previous vision of DCU to give this a chance, they will never accept anything that comes along anyway.
The latter is anything but the core audience Gunn is aiming for...and rightly so. But to get everyone else onboard will require skill I have yet to see proof he can pull off.
Love Bob’s takes!
Can report that the new trailer looks great and I'm pumped for your take!
100% with you bob. If gunn can emulate even just a fraction of the moment where reeves takes off first flight, or saving lois in the helicoptor, i will be a puddle
Zack Snyder is one of my favorite filmmakers, and I even liked what he did with Superman and the rest of the DCEU. But maybe its a combination of that and almost a decade of having more Snyder, Injustices and Homelanders than actual Superman, that seeing what Gunn is doing with Superman makes me not only excited, but feel hopeful and warm about a movie, which made me stop and realize that this is the first movie to come out in my lifetime (I'm 25) about Superman that actually makes me feel that.
It's both heart-breaking and heart-warming to see Bob hopeful.
If this movie actually does "save the day," then one of the benefits will be that we no longer need to spend any more time worrying what Snyder's fans think of it. We can ALL move on.
In a way, we already have. The cult has proven toothless and powerless as a prime mover.
The cult won't give up, not all of them. They'll keep review bombing and hating and harassing because there's a network of grifters who make a living off of it. They'll lose numbers over the years but I'm afraid those mentally challenged individuals will never fully relent.
James Gunn gives a shit about the properties he's be entrusted to shepherd.
He truly does. Now it's just a question of his love being matched by his skill.
That is and always will be THE superman music.
Between this and the last episode, I can kinda see where Bob is headed with his thesis and while the obvious social and economic comparison is 1978, I’m going to go with 2002.
More sensible, your comparison. By amazing coincidence, 2002 also happens to have been the year the first Spiderman movie came out.
@ almost as though that’s exactly what I was implying. 😉
@@EtruskenRaider I always call that one "the summer of good movies". Not just Spiderman but also Minority Report, Road To Perdition, the Matrix sequels, Scooby Doo. Still got fond memories of it.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Attack of the Clones came out that summer too.
@@EtruskenRaider Damn, you're right! Was a really good year for film.
After seeing the teaser trailer.... I think Bob's gonna like this one.
Great video Bob. Agree 100%. Looking forward to the next one on the trailer itself.
I'm hesitant to put everything on one creator for something like this, but James Gunn has shown that he understands the assignment thus far, so I'm willing to trust that this will be a return to form for Superman.
The CW superman series set a great precedent on how a GOOD modern day superman story can look like.
Even if Gunns superman movie bombs (which i doubt) we at least have some good superman to fall back on
There's also tons of great modern Superman stories in the comics and in animation.
@@BaithNa I'd personally recommend the comic anthology Superman Red & Blue, which absolutely gets Big Blue in a way I want Gunn to put up onscreen.
Let's just freeze Bob in this moment in time, where he has this level of hope. I'm not saying this movie will be bad or anything. Just that the reality of an entire movie will have a hard time measuring up to pure emotion. I really hope it does though.
I can get behind that. Still, the words of Grant Morrison seem apropos here:
"The vital component of beauty is its mortality."
Oh the moment "wait are they doing" clicked I got a little misty-eyed. Then I paused, looked it up for myself and got a little more.
However you feel about Man of Steel as a standalone piece, it failed at what it was supposed to do for the studio.
I'm very optimistic about this. James Gunn has not had a miss in the superhero genre that I can remember. We'll get something ranging from a good movie to a masterpiece, and that's exactly what DC needs after the disaster that was everything after man of steel. Also, yeah, an honest to god good Superman movie will do big numbers, no matter what the Snyder fans say. It will hit like a truck for old fans like Bob and me and a whole lot of others, but casual fans? families looking for a good time with the kids? It will make a lot of money with that audience too
🤞That Superman is put in the right direction; James Gunn's got this hopefully!
WE ARE SO BACK
I legit had tears when I heard the music.
I started my (very infant) channel with no intention of doing any kind of reaction videos, but I have to do a trailer reaction. This movie... gives hope.
I remember partially liking Batman v Superman until your Really That Bad three parter. I know better now. Thank you, Bob.
When I saw BvS, the big feeling I remember was...boredom. So much had been ripped off from better source material and the new stuff was just dull. Mr Chipman's teardown helped explain my reaction.
Hi Bob! Long-time fan, infrequent commenter. Just wanna say I’m really excited to see your reaction to this trailer. I dislike BVS so strongly that watching your content around the time of it’s release was a kind of catharsis, with RTB:BVS being in my frequent rotation because of how throughly it dismantles and analyses its failure. It determines cause of death and performs the autopsy.
But now it’s time for Superman to live again, to truly live. And it will be equally cathartic to get your take on that.
Today I learned that there's such a thing as a "motion poster", though I'm still not entirely sure where such a thing would be installed.
I'm not sure I've seen a James Gunn piece where the music - particularly the needle drops - weren't just *chef's kiss* perfect. If a riff on the John Williams theme gets used in the film, it is going to be at the perfect moment and there will be many many 45+ year olds with tears pouring from their eyes unashamedly ... and I'll be one of them.
Won't lie, I teared up hearing the John Williams theme.
Honestly I never fully got why films stayed away from using familiar themes and such, with old characters like these new elements get attached all the time it can't all be from issue 1 of the comic. Batman TAS used the Danny Elfman theme despite not being in the same universe and it further solidified it, I don't see why Micheal Giacchino had to dance around.
There was no reason we had to wait for King Of The Monsters to hear the Godzilla theme in an American film
I think they do it for the same reasons they always change fundamental things in adaptations, Hollywood people are insecure and need to put their fingerprints on something or they're subconsciously admitting that someone else, possibly in a different medium, is better at storytelling than them.
@@BaithNa On the other hand Walt Disney put Tchaikovsky's Sleeping Beauty ballet music for one of the songs.
I just want a happy hopeful superman saving people because hes a good guy that really shouldnt be that difficult
You would think.
I love that James Gunn basically went “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” in regards to the music.
Why do I get the feeling that this movie will have a very Smallville-esque ‘only play the Williams theme at the end’ moment?
I noticed the Zimmerman stuff more than the Williams score.
Regardless? That music is beautiful and so PERFECT for a Superman movie, especially the one Gunn seems planning to make: it conveys wonder and awe and . . . Gentleness.
Bob genuinely loves superman 💞
I'm going to give myself a ticket for this as my birthday present because it's releasing on my gd birthday.
Why are people losing it over that? It's fine and a nice callback but that's it. Nostalgia is weird.
Consider how badly Superman was mishandled on the silver screen last decade. Add in the current state of this country and world. All that in mind, the hype is more understandable to me, if highly misplaced.
@johnathonhaney8291 I suppose? But Americans do truly rely too heavily on using their media consumption and nostalgia related to it to "fix them" as opposed to doing anything to materially help the world around them. Building a good community would do far more than waiting for a movie to hit the right spots
It's the culture war😂
I would not classify myself as a Superman fan. I have seen none of the Christopher Reeves movies, nor the new tv series. But I would say that theough the DC animated universe from the 90s and 00s, I have an appreciation for what Superman is supposed to be. Which is why I didn't care for the Injustice or the Snyder versions.
All that being said, that music cue brought tears to my eyes and actually gave me hope. Trust in James Gunn.
Funny I was just reading this:
"The film’s score, composed by John Murphy, will include nods to John Williams’ classic Superman theme while creating something new. “It’s not a soundtrack, so it’s not about the songs,” Gunn noted. “It’s much, much more of a score film.”
Source: TheWrap
A lot of people are saying there are references to the Hans Zimmer score, but I think they're misinterpreting it, because the first few seconds are actually the Kansas leitmotif from John Williams' original score in 1978.
Check out the track "Leaving Home" from the original score, it's very strong in that.
personally not a fan of the red briefs, but I do agree that the lower body does need something to break up the blue and the briefs are the only thing that's been tried that actually looks decent.
I didn't even know "motion posters" were a thing.
I thought they were called GIFs, but I guess I was wrong. Lol
@@utility63 Well, GIFs don't have sound.