Which Space Marine Battleforce Boxes are BEST and WORST - Votes, Points and Model Cost!

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    0:00 Intro
    0:33 Ranking the Marine Battleforces
    1:56 Raven Guard Ravenstrike Battle Force
    3:48 Imperial Fists Bastion Strike Force
    4:56 White Scars Storm of Chogoris
    7:10 Salamanders Warforged Strike Force
    9:06 Ultramarines Scions of Macragge
    10:46 Iron Hands March of Iron Strike Force
    12:33 Overall Rankings
    13:33 Outro
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  • @auspextactics
    @auspextactics  Рік тому +38

    Pricing for these now appears to be confirmed at £130 / €170 / $210 by the way!

    • @AnimeSquirrel
      @AnimeSquirrel Рік тому

      The US continues to get ripped off. That's such a huge markup after converting the UK price to US.

    • @CalAndAly
      @CalAndAly Рік тому +1

      Its just the seafood stew scene from the big short with Anthony Bourdain dumping all the sprues that don’t sell into a pot and reselling it. It was a scene to illustrate the housing market collapse crisis of 2008 when bad mortgages were repackaged together and labeled good lmao. Great vid though man!

  • @kennethmacgregor-Gregorach
    @kennethmacgregor-Gregorach Рік тому +355

    One thing to remember about the Fists box is that the box itself placed on its edge doubles as a giant wall for them to hide behind.

    • @crudgamers2672
      @crudgamers2672 Рік тому +14

      /Iron warriors have entered the chat/

    • @jeffthompson4837
      @jeffthompson4837 Рік тому +10

      I don't think a comment has gotten me this good in a minute lmfao

    • @raistlarn
      @raistlarn Рік тому +7

      Fortify, fortify, fortify

    • @djangofett4879
      @djangofett4879 Рік тому +2

      Tyranids are good climbers

    • @PrimarchPerturabo1
      @PrimarchPerturabo1 Рік тому

      AND LIKE THE YELLOW COWARDS' OTHER DETESTABLE WORKS OF PATHOS, IT WILL BE SREDDED LIKE PAPER BEFORE OUR SUPERIOR FIREPOWER

  • @mycatistypingthis5450
    @mycatistypingthis5450 Рік тому +19

    I like how they addressed the complete absence of xeno battleforce boxes this christmas by making more space marine stuff.

  • @Balyrion
    @Balyrion Рік тому +55

    I do think the white scars box would be a great start to a Ravenwing force of someone were so inclined.

  • @Ceiling_Gato
    @Ceiling_Gato Рік тому +83

    My local hobby store sold out the Raven Guard box immediately, they still had Custodes boxes a week later for some reason. But apparently everyone wanted the RG one, they even had people asking if they will have more 😂

    • @tennesseedogpack
      @tennesseedogpack Рік тому +3

      That box was weak sauce

    • @kennethmacgregor-Gregorach
      @kennethmacgregor-Gregorach Рік тому +20

      So, there's a lot of masochists in your area then.

    • @ordinaryraccoon
      @ordinaryraccoon Рік тому +1

      Same here but in my area they buy RG box and paint them to be Ultramarine 😂

    • @timunderbakke8756
      @timunderbakke8756 Рік тому

      My area still has the RG box but sold the IF one right away. Go figure.

    • @jorjijoster3834
      @jorjijoster3834 Рік тому +1

      It feels like it depends on the shop. My shop still has its IF and RG boxes, all its custodes, but the Knights and Mechanicus and sisters were all instantly gone

  • @esotabletop
    @esotabletop Рік тому +36

    I do love that they went back to the artwork box sets.

  • @GrimlockXB
    @GrimlockXB Рік тому +9

    I bought 2x Imperial Fists boxes and 2x Dark Angels Combat Patrols to start my Imperial Fists army for the new year. Will be 100% Gravis (enabled by the new force org options) + 3 Redemptors.

  • @el6922
    @el6922 Рік тому +11

    Ultramarines box is the best. You get do many good miniatures for it. Intercesors, blasters, bladeguard, calgar with his Marines and a librarian... So many good units.

  • @Smilomaniac
    @Smilomaniac Рік тому +7

    If it weren't for the Reivers (yet again, again, again) the raven guard box would be fine. Okay the librarian is dumb, but at least he's not a single model you can get normally, so he's sellable.
    The double invictus is great. Even if you have one already, doing a triple list with them would be very fun, definitely a big puzzle for opponents to solve. The fix would be infiltrators or better yet a 10 man infiltrator/incursor box.
    For me the worst one is Salamanders (you already have intercessors and you'll very rarely need more than 15) and then the white scars due to the bikes that are also commonly available from box sets. For me it's 2x3 from indomitus (trading the necrons away).

  • @reavern
    @reavern Рік тому +3

    All of these Battle Force boxes would be great for NEW players who want to start an army at a discount… but spending $200+ all at once can be daunting for new players. Whereas veteran players are more accustomed to spending that kind of money on WH40K, but the BF boxes are less likely to offer units we don’t already own, which hinders their appeal.
    For example, the 2 Invictor War Suits in the Ravenstrike box would’ve appealed to me 3 years ago when I was expanding my Ultramarines army, but now I already own 2 Invictors.
    Another problem with these new Battle Force boxes are the lack of variety. The Imperial Fists BF box seems incredibly lazy with 3 units of Heavy Intercessors. It should’ve included units more thematic with Imperial Fists, like the Hammerfall Bunker or Servo-turret.
    I agree that the 20 Intercessors in Salamanders BF box doesn’t make sense. It should have a unit of Hellblasters and Inceptors instead.
    The Scions of Macragge BF box would’ve been PERFECT for me 2 years ago, but now I already everything in this box. I would’ve been great to get Calgar and Tigurius and the multi-part Bladeguards. Although I don’t understand why Hellblasters are in this Ultramarines box instead of Salamanders.
    The Iron Hands BF box is probably the best value for new players for ANY Space Marines army because 2 Redemptor Dreadnoughts are amazing, and a Techmarine and Intercessors are always useful. This is another BF box I would’ve bought to fill out my Ultramarines army 2 years ago, but I already did that using Combat Patrol boxes.
    If I was starting a Space Marines army today, or recommending to a friend how to build a 2000 pt army as quickly as possible, I would buy the Ultramarines, Iron Hands, and Salamanders BF boxes.

  • @sub39h
    @sub39h Рік тому +8

    I’m tempted by the Iron Fists box. Aside from the units in it, the upgrade sprue with all its bionics actually makes it useful for personalisation in other chapters, unlike the other upgrade sprues which have limited generic value

  • @monkeyhammer
    @monkeyhammer Рік тому +41

    With all the intercessors these seem like better choices for new players, but then coming out after Christmas seems like a bit of a misstep. I wonder if they were originally meant to be tied into a cancelled or delayed release or something.

    • @gregsmw
      @gregsmw Рік тому +6

      it could also be they released the two "bad" ones at christmas to get people to buy them, then released the better ones later, so that people will feel they need to get their legions better box in addition to the "bad" box they already baught

    • @richarddixon1450
      @richarddixon1450 Рік тому +4

      It certainly looks like they had something planned for these. But I imagine issues behind the scenes just lead to them being released now.

    • @helmut5061
      @helmut5061 Рік тому +3

      Every chapter that didn't got a combat patrol box now got a battleforce. I think it's simply an, every chapter have a box of the old stuff before we release the new shiny things, kind of release.

    • @RSBurgener
      @RSBurgener Рік тому +1

      It's a great choice for people who don't know anything about the rules

    • @skylergalle3732
      @skylergalle3732 Рік тому

      No one needs 20 intercessors not even new players

  • @dreadpiratedan
    @dreadpiratedan Рік тому +2

    hoping to grab an iron hands box - everything in there is useful for me as an actual iron hands player - but really liking the look of the ravenguard one too. all my phobos troops (infiltrators and incursors) have been converted to use the reaver pistol-foregrip bolters, so another 10 that i can convert into 5 infiltrators and 5 incursors is great. the warsuits fit my iron hands walker force pretty well, and i'll convert shrike into a firstborn smashcaptain

  • @decultureexodus8924
    @decultureexodus8924 Рік тому +27

    Chances are the blood angels box hasn't appeared due to new upcoming sculpts?

    • @killmiky
      @killmiky Рік тому +10

      I'm hoping it's melee primaris with jetpacks

    • @leiziru9642
      @leiziru9642 Рік тому +8

      Wasn't 10th edition 'Indomitus' rumoured to have Blood Angels Vs Tyranids?

    • @Bravadous
      @Bravadous Рік тому +4

      @@leiziru9642 yeah

    • @vorsadelta7752
      @vorsadelta7752 Рік тому +5

      I believe this is just for the marine chapters who are without an updated supplement for 9th edition no?

    • @owenhouck5281
      @owenhouck5281 Рік тому +5

      My guess is that we’re not gonna get any more of these battleforces since they got one for each of the codex compliant founding legions.

  • @PelinalDidNothingWrong
    @PelinalDidNothingWrong Рік тому +3

    I'm gonna be picking up the Iron Hands boxset for sure and use it a starting point for an Iron Hands Army

  • @ger5956
    @ger5956 Рік тому +3

    If I didn’t already have about 8,500pts of Ultramarines I’d absolutely be buying the Ultras box.
    Currently debating if I get the IF box to expand the Ultras army as I love gravis armor, but I dunno, I actually have pretty much those exact models already sitting on my desk waiting to be painted. 🤔

  • @SgtDax
    @SgtDax Рік тому +7

    I really hope hellblasters get a buff in the next chapter approved. I have somehow ended up with 20+ of them, so if they could drop by a few points, I'd be very happy.

  • @seanmoran6589
    @seanmoran6589 Рік тому +1

    I play Blood Angels but have always wanted to run Ultramarines to have a shooting Space Marine force to play as well and I love Marneus and the Victrix Guard. This box has me very tempted to start a second Space Marine Chapter....

  • @smatting2627
    @smatting2627 Рік тому +3

    Question for you: if GW gave you one of each box set to build a tournament army, what chapter would build and which models would you take from each box?

  • @richard_n
    @richard_n Рік тому +6

    I'm really hoping that RG and IF get some love in the new SM changes

  • @Tanuvein
    @Tanuvein Рік тому +1

    I think I'm going to wait to see if these get a price drop. My store still has some Raven Guard and Mechanicum boxes, both of which I'd like if they were considerably cheaper. All the other boxes seemed to have sold out on the first day, and the only left over Sister's box got picked up just before I decided to get it.

  • @MrFiremagnet
    @MrFiremagnet Рік тому +1

    For me, the best are imperial fists and raven guard, but for all the wrong reasons.
    Which are the fact that I don't have basically anything from either of boxes due to that units being mostly useless, well expect for snipers and regular intercessors. I basically have everything from ultramarines, salamanders, white scars, might be a thinking of iron hands for dreadnoughts.

  • @clintwestwood5763
    @clintwestwood5763 Рік тому +4

    Salamander's is best for anyone not wanting to collect Salamanders

    • @smallbarns
      @smallbarns Рік тому

      It’s also the absolute for anyone already collecting marines

  • @poursperfectpints
    @poursperfectpints Рік тому

    I'll be picking up the Ultramarines. I've been playing them since '97, but I'm only just recently getting around to upgrading them to Primaris. As such I don't have either of the updated special characters. Between my six Marine armies, I'll find uses for all of those models.

  • @tomo_schmidt
    @tomo_schmidt Рік тому +2

    Marneus Calgar actually is the reason for me not to get the Ultramarines box because I have an Imperium magazine subscription and will get him this way. However, he will only be released this way in April in my country, so I might try to get rid of him on Ebay as soon as the box drops. 🤔

  • @SGWeber
    @SGWeber Рік тому +2

    I’m looking forward to the Dark Angels offering, but that Ultramarines box has me very tempted

  • @unintentionally_edgy5867
    @unintentionally_edgy5867 Рік тому

    I’m too busy building another army, but I really, really want to get the white scars one because I love the chapter and fast melee

  • @JQuackymax
    @JQuackymax Рік тому

    I'm starting an Iron hands list and im hyped for the Boxset, though i hope i can get one before it sells out.

  • @FosterWalsh
    @FosterWalsh Рік тому

    i had planned to buy 2x dark angels combat patrols but didnt like the double up of the chaplain and interceptors, the iron hands box including the same amount of marines, two redemptors, and two different great characters is really helpful for me since im running lost of dreads

  • @stillunsure7630
    @stillunsure7630 Рік тому +1

    If I was starting from scratch 1 of each of these boxes would definitely be of interest to bulk out a new force for Primaris.

  • @GarrettPDGA
    @GarrettPDGA Рік тому +2

    Good morning Auspex!

  • @gregorydillon9167
    @gregorydillon9167 Рік тому +2

    As a Sally player with only one primaris unit, I have mixed feelings. Those upgrade sprues definitely add value to me, but it's just hard to get excited for 20 intercessors even if they would be useful

  • @Chubbutjubs
    @Chubbutjubs Рік тому +1

    Salamanders for utility; Ultras for faction-specific characters; White Scars for rule of cool; Redemptors will surely lose out relative to other marine units in upcoming points changes. Ravens bring discounted las fusil eliminators!! Heavy Intercessors are still holding their value on 2nd hand market for now, despite a whopping 3 units discounted with Fists.
    Exciting time to be a Marines player

    • @BloodyArchangelus
      @BloodyArchangelus Рік тому

      They can not nerf Redemptors. Without it marines would be total useless or just horde army.

  • @w00dm31st3r
    @w00dm31st3r Рік тому +1

    I was hoping to get the Imperial Fists to paint em as Dark Angels, but had to settle with Ravenguard for the same purpose.

  • @Sabamonster
    @Sabamonster Рік тому

    Just bought Scions of Mcragge to use as a basis for my custom chapter. Pretty stoked honestly.

  • @jackofn0trades29
    @jackofn0trades29 Рік тому

    I would’ve like to see the iron hands box have a little more focus on some infantry, maybe a 5 man hell blaster squad or some heavy Eradicators like they have on the box art.

  • @DodgethisCZ
    @DodgethisCZ Рік тому +1

    I want thank you for all your profi info. Thanks to you I start with warhammer :)

  • @KokNoker
    @KokNoker Рік тому

    I like to pretend that with all the bikes and ATVs outpacing him, Khan is just sprinting everywhere yelling "Vroom! Vroom!"

  • @darthvaderbutwayshittier7054
    @darthvaderbutwayshittier7054 Рік тому +4

    You forgot Primaris Outriders aren't compatible with the White Scars upgrade sprue because they're ETB

  • @Julian-cn1ey
    @Julian-cn1ey Рік тому +1

    Two boxes of intercessors in the lead up to Arks of Omen feels like a total trap, that kills the value of the Salamanders box, IMO.
    Maybe I'm the odd one out, but the White Scars box seems by far the best to me, because it doesn't have any troops in it.

  • @jamesnash534
    @jamesnash534 Рік тому

    Great breakdown! Thanks as always!

  • @m33ddyhv
    @m33ddyhv Рік тому +1

    i would get salamanders but have just started custodes so will wait until vulkan returns since hes my favourite character

  • @dessertb4dinner347
    @dessertb4dinner347 Рік тому

    Looking to start my own chapter..but can’t decide on who to branch from please any suggestions

  • @Steve_Keen
    @Steve_Keen Рік тому

    For me, from the perspective of if I were starting that Chapter, I'd rank the boxes as Ultramarines > Iron Hands > Raven Guard > Imperial Fists > Salamanders > White Scars. People keep saying the Raven Guard one was a weird mix of units, but they're all Vanguard units, and the Eliminator squad in there is the multi-part one compared to the monopose ones in the Space Marines Combat Patrol. I think pairing it with that Combat Patrol is a pretty good way to start a Raven Guard army. The IF box is just more interesting than the Salamanders box, and that personally hurts to say because Salamanders is one of the Chapters I personally considering building. 20 Intercessors is just overkill and makes almost any other discount box feel worse because you already have 20 of them. 15 Heavy Intercessors is a lot of them, but getting them at a discount is great because they're so expensive, but you have the Aggressors as well. The White Scars box I just don't like. The Khan and the Chaplain on bike are cool, but you're better off getting the Outriders somewhere else, and the ATV is one of the stupidest looking units in the Primaris range.
    I picked up the Raven Guard one before these were announced, got 30% off in a Boxing Day sale here in Canada. I wanted everything in the box except the Librarian, who I'll try to sell, and I'm still deciding if I want to try and sell the 2nd Invictor. I have no intention of playing as Raven Guard, but painting of Kayvan Shrike should be a fun project.

  • @bruceu1419
    @bruceu1419 Рік тому

    The RG box doesn't actually have the upgrade sprues, probably since they don't really work for the models in the box. There are transfer sheets though.

  • @Blondguyification
    @Blondguyification Рік тому

    I agree the iron hands is best deal but the white scars is my favorite as the theme fits.

  • @AuDHDeepDive
    @AuDHDeepDive Рік тому +2

    Salamanders Players are almost unamimous that this is a pants showing and we don't need 20 Intercessors we need:
    1 - multiple Eradicators / Aggressors like the White Scars had multiple Outriders
    2 - Primaris Tu'shan or Vulkan He'stat, cheaper Invictors with the Core keyword fielded in units of 1-3 (I know if wishes were Ponies)
    3 - How come the Black Templars have Pyreblasters and we don't (Waaaa!)
    4 - Would it kill GW to make Flamers better how come the Sisters have decent flamers and we dont? (etc etc etc)

    • @jormazmanyan9663
      @jormazmanyan9663 Рік тому +1

      Same situation with white scar bikes and reaven wing bikers. I call that GW-"Logick"

    • @richarddixon1450
      @richarddixon1450 Рік тому +1

      Yes, but what about people who are interested in starting a salamanders force? Seems pretty solid to me.

    • @AuDHDeepDive
      @AuDHDeepDive Рік тому +1

      @@richarddixon1450 Too many Intercessors. Incursors better compliment nature of Salamanders tactics makes them slow as their best units are Gravis.
      1x Primaris Vulkan (will settle for Adrax)
      2x Incursors
      1x Aggressors
      2x Eradicators
      1x Redemptor Dreadnought
      That would be a great starter box set DESIGNED for Salamanders

  • @zarakisan123
    @zarakisan123 Рік тому

    I'm entering the WH 40k univers with the Salamanders box (Seem good to start and a good legion)

  • @ca11rl77
    @ca11rl77 Рік тому +1

    Put a deposit on the iron hands one. Brings my Redemptor dreadnought count to 4

  • @cameronyager9221
    @cameronyager9221 Рік тому

    I got one of the ravenguard boxes for $150 on ebay. My army project this year is an all phobos army so it works out well for me. But I can see why people don't want the box

  • @Kottery
    @Kottery Рік тому

    On one hand I'd like the Ultramarines box because my Primaris force is Ultramarines, but it's 4th Company Ultramarines so Calgar wouldn't see much use as I already have Uriel Ventris to lead them. The Bladeguard, Victrix Honor Guard, Tigurius, and UM upgrade sprue would be nice, but I don't really need that many more Intercessors and I'm not sure I'd really want Hellblasters either even if my only Hellblasters are the five that came with Dark Imperium.
    On the other hand the Imperial Fist box would be all new things for me as I have zero Heavy Intercessors or Aggressors, but then Tor Garradon and the IF sprue would be absolutely useless to me.
    So I'll take the third option of simply continuing to build my Firstborne army of "Not Luna Wolves" using a mixture of old Space Marine kits and the new HH stuff.

  • @starperro4441
    @starperro4441 Рік тому

    GW should've included Roubute in the UM box as they did with the DG and TS's boxsets

  • @magisterapophis8714
    @magisterapophis8714 Рік тому

    Starting my Iron Hands army with that box. First Loyalist force I'll have played.

  • @tomo_schmidt
    @tomo_schmidt Рік тому

    To the best of my knowledge, the Ultramarines box does not come with the upgrade sprue and only the regular space marines transfers (which are, of course, Ultramarines, too).

  • @gearman237
    @gearman237 Рік тому

    I looked at the article, but I didn't see a release date?

  • @leiziru9642
    @leiziru9642 Рік тому

    Looking forward to pick some cheaper Redemptors and Hellblasters off ebay

  • @Sigismundssword
    @Sigismundssword Рік тому

    Honestly, outside of calgar and tigerius or whatever his name is, the ultramarine box is great for space wolves or black templars

  • @luminaricsteel7303
    @luminaricsteel7303 Рік тому +1

    GW really seems to think Standard Intercessors are way more durable than they actually are lol

  • @DouglasParkinson
    @DouglasParkinson Рік тому

    The Ultramarines' box would be great if if it didn't have both Marneus and Tigirius; but it is their box so I can't say I'm surprised, even though they severely bloat the price of the contents.
    Replace Tigirius with another squad and it could have been in the running for the top spot.
    I won't be getting it though, since I'm already getting Marneus in the Imperium magazines and the Iron Hands would suit me better. Besides, I can make use of most of the upgrade sprue in kitbashes for Iron Warriors.

  • @WindlordRyu
    @WindlordRyu Рік тому

    While the Iron Hands box is cool, it's a fairly similar deal to the Dark Angels Combat Patrol which I've already bought. The only one I've picked up out of these are the Imperial Fists for some Chonky Marines.

  • @Eclypsia13
    @Eclypsia13 Рік тому +1

    From experience, the white scar upgrade sprue is pointless on outriders due to how their sprues are made up. requires a lot of conversion to make them fit.

  • @gggiiillllllyyy
    @gggiiillllllyyy Рік тому

    Been wantting to start a white scars army for the longest time however the price of the upgrade sprews put me off

  • @CanadianHunter69
    @CanadianHunter69 Рік тому

    I'm picking the firstborn Mk7 one with the 10 man tac squad, 5 man assault, 5 man dev, the captain and a rhino...God I miss the old days lol

  • @Golden_Wolf_Gaming
    @Golden_Wolf_Gaming Рік тому

    Wonder if they are gonna do a box for the chapters they missed. The space wolves and the blood and dark angels

    • @ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle
      @ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle Рік тому

      Those chapters already have a combat patrol, most of the boxes were for chapters (like white scars) that didn't have a faction-specific box

  • @wildicedemon9926
    @wildicedemon9926 Рік тому

    I've just recently started playing Warhammer 40k and played a crusade of nothing but Salamanders on Tabletop and to know that Salamanders are getting a box? I'm very happy.

  • @northster1294
    @northster1294 Рік тому

    How does the white scars one make sense? With the new army construction, can’t you only have 3 fast attacks?

    • @ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle
      @ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle Рік тому

      The new (rumored) detachment rules now essentially allow you to take anything you want

  • @markbentley3146
    @markbentley3146 Рік тому

    The RG box doesn't have the upgrade sprue, just the transfers.

  • @lardus8614
    @lardus8614 Рік тому

    If I were ever to get into Space Marines, it would be Salamanders or preferably the White Scars. If not for the character on foot I would consider buying the box, perhaps even two. For now, I will rather save that money for the World Eaters!

  • @LynxLord1991
    @LynxLord1991 Рік тому

    Cant wait to see what the will do with non codex Marines

  • @michielroskam3877
    @michielroskam3877 Рік тому

    @auspex tactics, you said hellblasters are weaker in the meta, i think they are great for 15 shots at ap-3 s7 for only 165 points.........

  • @MarvelRivlasGameplay
    @MarvelRivlasGameplay Рік тому

    I want the salamamders now!

  • @MrSteelface96
    @MrSteelface96 Рік тому +1

    I mean the moment you have either of the named ultramarines you kind of ''fucked out'' of getting the ultramarines box, imo. good starting box for ultramarines tho i guess. ironhands is probably what i'll get for my ultramarine army. easily get the named ironhand dude to fly as a another techmarine.

  • @micahsmith2066
    @micahsmith2066 Рік тому

    It's weird for me. The salamanders one seems the most objectively flat, but I've just started collecting space marines, Salamanders is my chosen chapter, and I haven't got many standard intercessors yet. So yeah, I may pick up the Salamander box even though I think it's the least interesting one.

  • @JK-zx3go
    @JK-zx3go Рік тому

    I've heard that the Ultramarines box doesn't have the upgrade sprues has anyone actual looked in one?

  • @C454D
    @C454D Рік тому

    So since we are ranking these, let me add one more ranking scale for it by combining the 3 ratings into an overall rating. The ratings each got is based on a scoring system of their place in each category (the score being 7 - their placement).
    So. here are the overall results.
    In Tied First place; Iron Hands and Ultramarines
    In Tied Third Place; Salamanders and Raven Guard
    In Fifth place; White Scars
    In Sixth; Imperial Fists
    Some personal Thoughts:
    The Raven Guard box really isn't that bad all things considered. While the units may be considered more niche, Invictors are more hampered by their comical design than anything else imo.
    The White Scars just really highlight how dense, thick and outright stupid the rules and model making team are about White Scars and not putting Korsarro on a bike. Shrike got a special exemption to get a jump pack, Khan could of got one for a bike. Heck, make his kit the Primaris Captain on bike kit with option for the Khan, instant slam dunk kit that sells out like hot cakes. The models however are solid barring Khan.
    Salamanders just feels...odd...like they wanted a flame theme then realised they didn't have enough. I think this box would of been a real hit if it were 10 heavy intercessors instead of 20 normal ones.
    Imperial Fist box is good. Just hurt by the fact that no-one plays Imperial Fists. What they going to do? Come out from cover and get me? Come on, get out from behind your walls! (This is a taunt, meant to infuriate an opponent and cause them to abandon reason).
    Ultramarines I feel is decent but I mean...why? Its not bad if you need or want the characters but really does hurt the overall sale power of it.
    Iron Hands are the Cooler Raven Guard box. Instead of Invictors, Redemptors. Instead of Reavers, Intercessors. Would even argue as you did mention from others, it works really well as an add on to anything else instead which I feel enhances its value.
    For all of them though: the conversion parts for each unique chapter just sucks. While some are wanted, the only one people wanted was the salamanders for the Thunder hammer (which may help their boxes sale value) but if the box had those bits in there as an extra instead of taking the place of unit (which I feel they do), these would of sold much better.
    Raven guard get a squad of Infiltrators/Incursors
    Salamanders get a second squad of eradicators
    Imperial Fists get a Hammerfall Bunker...haha I kid...you guys get a firestrike servo turret.
    White Scars a Storm Speeder
    Ultramarines some Inceptors
    Iron Hands get...hmmm...screw it make it the best box: A third Redemptor!

  • @laserbrain7774
    @laserbrain7774 3 місяці тому

    Shouldn’t at least half of the intercessors in the salamanders box be infernus?

  • @Ghislain82
    @Ghislain82 Рік тому

    I still want Primaris Thunderwolf Cavalry😍

  • @Dryzark
    @Dryzark Рік тому +3

    I disagree with you, Auspex - I think the Salamanders battleforce is fire. 🔥
    White Scars one is probably leaving the warehouses the fastest.

    • @jimmynicol7942
      @jimmynicol7942 Рік тому

      How come? I'm new to the hobby, and I don't hear many good things about Intercessors.

    • @Dryzark
      @Dryzark Рік тому +2

      @@jimmynicol7942 Oh, I’m just being punny - Salamanders tend to focus on flame-based weapons, while White Scars are noted for their speed.

    • @Bravadous
      @Bravadous Рік тому

      Yeah lmao 20 intercessors is a bit overkill😂

    • @jimmynicol7942
      @jimmynicol7942 Рік тому

      @@Dryzark Ah lol, yeah, that went over my head

  • @evader110
    @evader110 Рік тому

    Salamanders box not having an apothecary is kinda wild to me. It's perfect in flavor and gameplay.

  • @jono_cc2258
    @jono_cc2258 Рік тому

    The fact that anyone ranked the White Scars below the Imperial Fists just shows there’s some sort of recency bias. The Fists one is great for starting a Gravis focused force and makes sense.

  • @kaptinbadrukk2668
    @kaptinbadrukk2668 Рік тому

    spend the summer and autumn building a space mongolian, bike heavy, fluff friendly force.
    now this happens
    FML

  • @Trazynn
    @Trazynn Рік тому

    Is Korsarro supposed to run after the bikes on foot?

    • @FlyingNinjaish
      @FlyingNinjaish Рік тому

      Nah, he's got armor heelies and has one of the boys tow him into battle.

  • @01oo011
    @01oo011 Рік тому

    If I had to chose I'd go for the Fists, gravis is aight.
    The White Scars one is a meme

  • @NikolayMIA
    @NikolayMIA Рік тому

    I don’t know why nobody talks about it, but there is no dark angels, space wolfes, blood angels and deathwatch big boxes
    Really makes you think about future boxes

  • @graefx
    @graefx Рік тому

    As much as I like seeing Iron Hands getting some love oof I hope this means I don't have to work too hard to grab the box. IH is my favorite chapter and I just like the box art 😅

  • @AlunDowdeswell
    @AlunDowdeswell Рік тому

    I'm legit just kicking off a salamanders force and was so excited to see a box for it......I don't want 20 intercessors, that's the only thing I've bought.....and I would never want 20 anyway!

  • @Berry-gs4xr
    @Berry-gs4xr Рік тому

    Actually I like the white scar one, but not for White scars. I always wanted a list like this for Death watch. Since the dex came out. (but I don't play marines, so I passed.)
    Patrol det.
    HQ;
    Chaplain on bike
    Troop:
    2x Killteam Fortis (5 Intercessors 5 Outrider)
    1 Kill Team Indomitor (5 Heavy intercessors and any heavy dudes to spice this up)
    Elite: 2 x Primaris Apothecary (until the on bike version comes out)
    Fast: 2 Invader ATV with multi melta
    leaves around 550 pts free to add anything of choice in a 2k list.
    So jeah for this style of list this box looks awesome. (I know, its not meta, but actually funny)
    Maybe anyone feels inspired by this

    • @ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle
      @ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle Рік тому

      The best way to play 40k is ignoring the meta, your dw list looks pretty fun to play

    • @berry8932
      @berry8932 Рік тому

      @@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle jeah, I know. It would be fun.
      But playing it I know, I would always be ask, why I play primaris, when they get none of the dw boni, like special ammunition.
      When I first came around with this list in mind (~2years ago) all my friends already called it "cheesy" and as said actually I play diffrent armies (mainfaction admech, so actually I would have a reason to swap xD)
      But jeah, I guess I'll stay with what I got. It's something like principels^^
      But hey, if ppl think this is a bad box, I would say no, it is not. Just don't play it as a diffrent faction.

  • @TheIndigoEclipse
    @TheIndigoEclipse Рік тому +1

    White scars really needs character on bike. So weird their only primaris character is on foot.

  • @leostarrs-cunningham8576
    @leostarrs-cunningham8576 Рік тому

    I think the White Scars box is an excellent own goal for showing how dumb not putting Khan on a bike was. Best thing about it.

  • @wholesomecomment45
    @wholesomecomment45 Рік тому

    Would be nice to see the DeathWatch get some love

  • @Hurricanelive
    @Hurricanelive Рік тому

    I have so many firstborne and like 60 bikes that the only box I'd get if I really felt like it would probably be Ultramarines just for more Primaris because F the Primaris.

  • @osogitzgraymane72
    @osogitzgraymane72 Рік тому

    One thing that can't be overstated is that these boxes shouldn't be looked at in a vacuum. Example; Look at mixing and matching them. Combine the iron hands one with any of the other boxes and the army is very solid.

    • @brianhall4182
      @brianhall4182 Рік тому

      The problem is the unique chapter characters. You'd have to kitbash or convert a number of the models.

    • @osogitzgraymane72
      @osogitzgraymane72 Рік тому

      @@brianhall4182 converting is a big part of the hobby. Personally, my favorite part

  • @Shabboi
    @Shabboi Рік тому

    The salamanders box should've swapped 10 intercessors for 3 more aggressors. That would've been a fluffier salamanders box + still a good box to beef up other chapters.

  • @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022
    @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 Рік тому

    They all look good

  • @robertsurtees2667
    @robertsurtees2667 Рік тому

    Iron hands is similar to getting 2x the dark angels combat patrol

  • @eicha41624
    @eicha41624 Рік тому

    If you buy the Ultramarines box and the Iron Hands one, you've basically got an extremely solid army

  • @witherbendisch2704
    @witherbendisch2704 Рік тому

    Im waiting for the black templar box

    • @timunderbakke8756
      @timunderbakke8756 Рік тому

      Not going to happen. These were tied to chapters without a 9th supplement

  • @wonderfred
    @wonderfred Рік тому +1

    Shocked Sallies were so high in popular vote. As a Salamanders player I was very disappointed in the box. 20 intercessors is awful and has basically no synergy with our rules/ secondaries

  • @32Loveless50
    @32Loveless50 Рік тому

    well all of these boxes are for those who want to start playing that chapter, so not for those who already play it.
    had i had these boxes ½ year ago as i started getting my Iron Hands army i would have 100% gotten that box.
    BUT now as i got both HQ, 20 Intercessors, and one of the Dreadnaughts i will skip the box.
    and for any other player that already play Marines getting 10-20 intercessors is a bit of a turn of.

  • @emeraldhog9797
    @emeraldhog9797 Рік тому

    Is it wrong to have bought the salamanders box solely for displaying behind my army?