Beautiful work. Not overly done, but not underwhelming at the same time. Each car having a completely unique and accurate sound gives me a better reason of why I should drive every car in the game. I'm curious to see how the Sauber C9 and Formula GT will sound like.
Thanks, and it's true - until I started making this mod I don't think I'd ever touched the likes of the E46 CSL or the flat 6 Legacy in this game, even though I should've. Hopefully I'll find something good for the Sauber the Formula, but unfortunately those more distinct one-off cars are the hardest ones to get right.
this is amazing. the modding scenes for older GT games. has blown up. at first i've seen like texture replacements for the PS2 era ones. now it's adding cars, sounds, tracks and more from other games. it's beautiful. i love seeing it grow
That F1 sounds almost identical to what it sounds like irl. It's missing that proper rasping noise and the gurgling on let-off, but you can CLEARLY tell that it sounds alike.
Man I remember downloading your gta 5 mclaren f1 sound mod from a year ago,and was thinking "if only gt4 can have the same treatment" and here you are doing it for GT4. Amazing Work.
XJR-9 = Pagani V12 787B = already accurate, just needs a little refining GT-One = McLaren flat plane turbo V8 Sauber C9 = deep rumbling crossplane V8 Formula GT = V10 F1 (the car is based on a 2004 V10 F1)
This is amazing, despite being remastered the sounds still sound extremely Gran Turismo-like. I don't know how you did it, but you did an amazing job. I BEG of you to NEVER get rid of the signature Gran Turismo 4 transmission whine in any future releases, by the way!
Credit goes to the game devs who actually made these sounds, though. I didn't record any cars, I just figured out the best recordings from other games, made a tool to convert them to GT4, and slapped the two together.
@@TheAdmiester For it all coming from recordings and other games, its rather absurd how well it easily fits into the game. You'd be hard pressed to hear it sound out of place with the recordings that PD did themselves in terms of how the sounds are played.
I got the references in some of the track choices for some cars, like the SLR at Nürburgring (Mission 34), Camaro at Seattle (GT3 A-7 License), Subaru Imprezas at Tsukuba (Mission 30), etc.
GT2 sounds can be dropped directly into GT4 and will work just fine if you rename them to the correct car's sound ID. If you want to try out any GT2 sounds then you should be able to do so with tools that are already available.
Is there an emoji for pained laughter? 😅 M3 GTR would be nice to get accurate but it's probably gonna be the hardest car to get right - I think everyone will be secretly expecting the NFS MW sound, but I want to do the real thing, *but* I don't know of any sources of the real thing.
@@TheAdmiester there is alot of videos of that car u could use as samples, also i believe MW used real GTR sounds (not the V8 tvr, that was on the alpha)
Short answer: 100 or 110KB Long answer: We don't really know, because GT4 seems to actually do a bit of dynamic allocation for sounds on runtime (credit to Nenkai for digging into it a little). Sounds of up to 200KB (same size as GT6) don't crash the game, but if you're in a race with AI and multiple cars are using the bloated sound, you'll hear some start to play incorrect sounds like tires squealing and rumble strips as part of their engine. Because of all that, and the fact that no vanilla sound exceeds 100KB (IIRC), I'm treating GT4 the same as Submaniac treats GT2, and considering 100-110ish to be our limit.
@@TheAdmiester So the mix of sounds will be at play for this. Speaking of sounds, how are the NA cars bolted on turbos? I remembered when a guy on the server talked about those NA cars with turbo installed have no sounds. I sent a rar file to him and now I have no communication as I've locked my account behind with no backup code to help. It's just copy a file from the 'engine' folder and paste to the 'turbo' folder, a total of 6 files there, or is it? I forgot.
@@KikuraKun The file structure is basically that, yeah. Four levels (normal, sports, semi-race, race) of exhausts for both turbo and NA, from 0-3. If you want to make an NA sound work for a hacked turbo car then you need to copy the relevant files from normal0 to turbo0, normal1 to turbo1, etc. Engine is, as the name says, for the engine side, as opposed to the exhaust. Naturally I'll test my mod as best as I can to make sure I haven't accidentally missed an interchangable sound, like a new NA sound that I made breaking because a car that uses it has a turbo mod available.
@@TheAdmiester That was pretty basic, huh. I would've test this on my own if I could. That was supposed to be three months ago since I copied them, I think. I still have them, but I can't.
what is your source for sounds? some of these cars like impreza and rx8 sound like underground 2 i'd suggest enthusia and kaido racer 2 or txr3 (if you can find a way to extract sounds from either of these), asseto corsa and maybe forza?
GC8 Impreza is from the same car in GT Sport, GD Impreza and the RX-8 are from older Forzas. Enthusia can be extracted but I don't think it preserves the RPM labels for each sound loop so they would have to be guessed.
They'll be releasing as part of a general GT4 overhaul mod, it'll work on PCSX2 (where I currently play it) and I'm hoping it'll work on real PS2s too.
You just got a subscriber for this mod. I am really looking forward to it as I've began playing GT4 again. Are you still developing this? Any news or ETA for it?
@@TheAdmiester Hey, thanks for replying! The work you did there is amazing, good job! Hope you feel some interest in GT4 again and continue developing that mod.
@@user-bp5py6bh3g Racing transmissions are whiney, makes no sense to eliminate the sound, though I agree with them having a better sound and/or being quieter.
@@mclarenf1gtr99 Sequential dogbox transmission sounds like that, majority don't. It makes plenty of sense to disable it, especially for road cars with transmission upgrades in a 2005 game
@@user-bp5py6bh3g but if you're having a fully adjustable close ratio racing gearbox that shifts fast and costs thousands, it's likely a sequential dogbox you're converting to.
Any ETA man? It's been a year. What's already in the this mod, from what I've seen seems to be already amazing so I don't think people will mind getting an unfinished version?
I replaced GT4 engine sounds to GT3-GTC-GT4P engine sounds via GT3VOLEXTRACTOR and GT4FS through the sound folder and its subfolders; returning the sounds of the engine of the videogames GT3, GTC, GT4 Prologue to GT4 since the truth was they put horrible sounds in that game and recovering the sounds of those cars that were from GT3 to GT4P to GT4 and I feel happy for that modification
Awesome!! I saw this in gtplanet and i have a question I saw you talked about re creating from 0 the driving missions from 35 to 40 so I was going to ask: Do you know how to customize timers for 1 lap magic in cheat engine? I only was able to customize missions but with always the same countdown 🙈🙈
As an obsessive car noise fan, this is a blessing. My favourite game getting the best fix it ever needed. Now i'm interested as what you could source as a 20B. The only 20B sound that i know of in a racing game is a mod: ua-cam.com/video/2ndpvn1noy0/v-deo.html And the sound source is this: ua-cam.com/video/qSZ5BnF1CV8/v-deo.html Which would make me ask you, could you take someone's YT video of a 20B, and use that as a sample? I know, i know, i'ts compressed audio, and the microphone from a camera is a horrible way to capture clean audio. But you have to admit, the Assetto Corsa 20B sound mod i quite on point!
The only 3 rotor cars in GT are the RE Asparadrink RX-7 and one or two of the fictional cars IIRC. For those in GT6 I used a UA-cam vid but was never too happy with the outcome. Horizon 5 has a good 3 rotor sound on the drift RX-8 that might be usable if recorded, dunno.
Most likely just going to be the PGR 4 sound of the Zonda F. The variants of the Zonda in GT4 were the C12, C12S, and C12 7.3, before any of the more shouty screamy variants came along - from what I can find online, stock examples seem to have that smooth, throaty V12 note rather than anything too racecar like.
I've done about half (320 or so) which is around 100 unique sounds so far, obviously helped a lot by the fact that GT4 has a lot of cars that share engines in real life. The sounds are converted from other games so I don't have to go through the trouble of recording them myself, but the format for GT4 is awkward to work with so it still is a lot of work to do so many.
@@TheAdmiester Ahh cool! So just gran turismo games or also from other games? Like during the period of GT4, other games such as nfs most wanted also had great sounds. Is this mod gonna be standalone or will it also be combined with your other mods like the restored cars and others? Will it support the HD retexture mod also?
@@TheAdmiester ah. And how will it be applied to the real game? 8 mb memorycard would definitely wont cut it and many users dont have the first gen ps2 either so hdd reliability is also almost out the window. Or could it be loaded via usb-stick?
Basically most GT upgrades sounded bad in my opinion, so upgrades will sound the same as stock unless it's a particularly well known engine (e.g. RB26) where I can get good samples for different levels.
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Waiting patiently for this awesome work!
Hola
El evo suena identico, y el TVR amarillo igualito al M3 de Most Wanted! este tipo es un capo
Cómo logro eso?
Estoy impresionado.
Solo espero que con el tiempo Sony y polyphony digital no lo arruinen con sus demandas.
Hola
omg gustin
Beautiful work.
Not overly done, but not underwhelming at the same time.
Each car having a completely unique and accurate sound gives me a better reason of why I should drive every car in the game.
I'm curious to see how the Sauber C9 and Formula GT will sound like.
Thanks, and it's true - until I started making this mod I don't think I'd ever touched the likes of the E46 CSL or the flat 6 Legacy in this game, even though I should've.
Hopefully I'll find something good for the Sauber the Formula, but unfortunately those more distinct one-off cars are the hardest ones to get right.
@LIGHTNING 07 Not yet, it's not done.
@@TheAdmiester i've subscribed in your channel for the mod
Formula GT could be the sound of the Williams F1 of 2004, damn.
@@TheAdmiester hoping that all this is playable on the real hardware 🫠
and thank you for your talent and the time you invest in it!
this is amazing. the modding scenes for older GT games. has blown up. at first i've seen like texture replacements for the PS2 era ones. now it's adding cars, sounds, tracks and more from other games. it's beautiful. i love seeing it grow
The SLR was perfect!
I also love how the SLR, 300C, and RX8 Type E all have automatic transmissions like the real versions do
I really wish I could play GT4 again with this sound. Awesome content. This just hit me with 100 ton nostalgia.
I'd pay for this, honestly.
That F1 sounds almost identical to what it sounds like irl. It's missing that proper rasping noise and the gurgling on let-off, but you can CLEARLY tell that it sounds alike.
These sounds are just simply amazing, you did such a good job with these.
Kudos on making Gran Turismo 4 sound utterly incredible!
Man I remember downloading your gta 5 mclaren f1 sound mod from a year ago,and was thinking "if only gt4 can have the same treatment" and here you are doing it for GT4. Amazing Work.
Incredible, those custom samples really do make the difference in the world.
You and me both. How are you doing?
That's amazing. Hoping to see a complete version release of this wonderful mod in the future
This is exceptional work. I look forward to seeing this come to fruition.
I just want to hear what the xjr-9, 787B, gt-one, Sauber c9 and formula gt sound like.
XJR-9 = Pagani V12
787B = already accurate, just needs a little refining
GT-One = McLaren flat plane turbo V8
Sauber C9 = deep rumbling crossplane V8
Formula GT = V10 F1 (the car is based on a 2004 V10 F1)
@@valferdinandmonissabiano8641The Formula GT has a 3½L V12, not a V10.
Sounds amazing!
This is amazing, despite being remastered the sounds still sound extremely Gran Turismo-like. I don't know how you did it, but you did an amazing job.
I BEG of you to NEVER get rid of the signature Gran Turismo 4 transmission whine in any future releases, by the way!
Impressive work so far !
This needs more attention
Hermosos sonidos, me encantó el SLR
You remaking my childhood here man, and u trully are nailing it!
Love how the sounds are very vanilla like but yet...alot ALOT better
this is worthy of being official. great work
Absolutely beautiful sounds.
Absolutely astonishing results, keep it up!
this combined with the UI upscale and the upscaled textures can really help bring GT4 into the modern age. fantastic work, especially on those V8s :)
I cannot believe this. Every car sounds realistic and beautiful! Tell me you will do more! This is incredible!! How the hell did you do it?!
Pretty much every sound is spot on 🤤
ohhh I will start an entire new playthrough. Absolutely love this. Super excited!
Wow! Sounds crazy, the Griffith sound is awesome
This is really, *REALLY* good so far.
PD should've hired you, clearly. :')
Credit goes to the game devs who actually made these sounds, though. I didn't record any cars, I just figured out the best recordings from other games, made a tool to convert them to GT4, and slapped the two together.
@@TheAdmiester For it all coming from recordings and other games, its rather absurd how well it easily fits into the game. You'd be hard pressed to hear it sound out of place with the recordings that PD did themselves in terms of how the sounds are played.
@@TheAdmiester Would it be possible to provide this tool? Or are you going to do some mod by yourself? great work tho!
Simply beautiful.
i really hope we get access to that Mod soon. Better than all the Vacuum cleaners with the original Sounds.
How to play with custom sounds like these? The game itself is gorgeous, with this kind of sound is like the GOTY again!
Whenever it's finished/released I'll release a patch with instructions on how to apply it to a copy of your game ISO.
@@TheAdmiester great!
And The Admiester at it again with amazing sounds!! Amazing work bro! :D
This sounds awesome, cant wait
Impressive work!
they sound sooo good damn, waiting for this
Brooo this mod is insane work,perfect sounds Brazilian her❤
I got the references in some of the track choices for some cars, like the SLR at Nürburgring (Mission 34), Camaro at Seattle (GT3 A-7 License), Subaru Imprezas at Tsukuba (Mission 30), etc.
That M3 CSL sounds awesome!
i think the best part is also the attention to detail with auto transmissions and manual sound too
Omg that McLaren noise 🥵
Sounds like FM4'S and I love it!
Very nice work!
it's a lot of work I like
I hope a future release !
Make your time!
makes the game so much better
That SLR sounds BEEFY, I love it.
Awesome job!
The mclaren f1 sounds gorgeous, amazing work!!!!
Do you have any plans of adding some of this sounds to the spec ii mod of gt6?
Kind of, I've been going back and forth between both mods, and the best of both will ideally end up in both
The BMW M5 sounds so beautiful!
Very nice!
Wow the unequal and equal length headers on the subies 👏
The Mclaren F1 sound brought me back to when I played PGR3 as a kid.
gt4 custom sounds now being a thing makes me wonder what the gt2 demio aspec would sound like compared to gt4, how smooth would it be?
GT2 sounds can be dropped directly into GT4 and will work just fine if you rename them to the correct car's sound ID. If you want to try out any GT2 sounds then you should be able to do so with tools that are already available.
@@TheAdmiester i unfortunately cannot mod the game myself unless there's a simple way to be able to mod an actual ps2 using a chromebook
dude, that's awesome. I can't wait for the M3 GTR 01's custom engine sound
Is there an emoji for pained laughter? 😅
M3 GTR would be nice to get accurate but it's probably gonna be the hardest car to get right - I think everyone will be secretly expecting the NFS MW sound, but I want to do the real thing, *but* I don't know of any sources of the real thing.
@@TheAdmiester check the GTWIKI
@@carnell7785 I know which engine it has, it's just a case of finding an accurate sound for that engine
@@TheAdmiester try Tickford (AU) Falcon XR8 2000 race car, it uses very similar engine sound to the real m3 gtr lm
@@TheAdmiester there is alot of videos of that car u could use as samples, also i believe MW used real GTR sounds (not the V8 tvr, that was on the alpha)
The fact that the McLaren F1 GTR sounds almost exactly like its real counterpart is mind boggling 🤯
the combination of the slr and the nordschleife gives me flashbacks i wouldnt like to have 💀
Ending with the lovely S70/2 🥰🥰
sounds really great!
So how do we get these mods if we play on a ps2 console ?
SLR is absolute perfection
If GT4 came out like this in 2004 it would be the greatest PS2 title of all time. Without a doubt
Sounds better than fh5 and they already have premade assets in their old games
The RX-8 sounds so good. 😍😍
I love that race car sound
Get me another more Gran Turismo 4 Car Sounds Showcase 2
omg you fixed the slr 😩😩
That McLaren F1 sound!
How much is the size limit each file? The F1 sounds amazing to my ears and also SLR. Those sounds like high quality
Short answer: 100 or 110KB
Long answer: We don't really know, because GT4 seems to actually do a bit of dynamic allocation for sounds on runtime (credit to Nenkai for digging into it a little). Sounds of up to 200KB (same size as GT6) don't crash the game, but if you're in a race with AI and multiple cars are using the bloated sound, you'll hear some start to play incorrect sounds like tires squealing and rumble strips as part of their engine.
Because of all that, and the fact that no vanilla sound exceeds 100KB (IIRC), I'm treating GT4 the same as Submaniac treats GT2, and considering 100-110ish to be our limit.
@@TheAdmiester So the mix of sounds will be at play for this.
Speaking of sounds, how are the NA cars bolted on turbos? I remembered when a guy on the server talked about those NA cars with turbo installed have no sounds. I sent a rar file to him and now I have no communication as I've locked my account behind with no backup code to help.
It's just copy a file from the 'engine' folder and paste to the 'turbo' folder, a total of 6 files there, or is it? I forgot.
@@KikuraKun The file structure is basically that, yeah.
Four levels (normal, sports, semi-race, race) of exhausts for both turbo and NA, from 0-3. If you want to make an NA sound work for a hacked turbo car then you need to copy the relevant files from normal0 to turbo0, normal1 to turbo1, etc. Engine is, as the name says, for the engine side, as opposed to the exhaust.
Naturally I'll test my mod as best as I can to make sure I haven't accidentally missed an interchangable sound, like a new NA sound that I made breaking because a car that uses it has a turbo mod available.
@@TheAdmiester That was pretty basic, huh.
I would've test this on my own if I could. That was supposed to be three months ago since I copied them, I think. I still have them, but I can't.
what is your source for sounds? some of these cars like impreza and rx8 sound like underground 2
i'd suggest enthusia and kaido racer 2 or txr3 (if you can find a way to extract sounds from either of these), asseto corsa and maybe forza?
GC8 Impreza is from the same car in GT Sport, GD Impreza and the RX-8 are from older Forzas. Enthusia can be extracted but I don't think it preserves the RPM labels for each sound loop so they would have to be guessed.
@@TheAdmiester alright, what about grid? mainly 2 and autosport i think there is a tool that lets you extract sound files from their games afaik
So when are you planning to release the full version?
This. is. awesome. Nothing more to say
1:39 that transition tho
AND 1:50 TOO
These sounds are good.
Will they be available for public use? PCSX2?
They'll be releasing as part of a general GT4 overhaul mod, it'll work on PCSX2 (where I currently play it) and I'm hoping it'll work on real PS2s too.
@@TheAdmiester What else does the overhaul mod do besides these engine sounds?
@@TheAdmiester i use OPL in my PS2. If u can make this mod for PS2 OPL i will apprecciate
Very nice sounds, but I miss the old sounds of the Viper and Cerbera Speed 12 :c
You just got a subscriber for this mod. I am really looking forward to it as I've began playing GT4 again. Are you still developing this? Any news or ETA for it?
No ETA, I've taken more of an interest in GT6 again lately so that's the priority.
@@TheAdmiester Hey, thanks for replying! The work you did there is amazing, good job! Hope you feel some interest in GT4 again and continue developing that mod.
Fantastic cant wait
Now GT4 - BEST RACING GAME. Period.
Amazing! Is globally disabling the gear whine sound possible?
Definitely possible, but I was thinking of making it quieter or replacing with a slightly higher quality sound.
@@TheAdmiester Knowing it's possible is just awesome! One of the few negatives of GT4, would love to play with it completely gone.
@@user-bp5py6bh3g Racing transmissions are whiney, makes no sense to eliminate the sound, though I agree with them having a better sound and/or being quieter.
@@mclarenf1gtr99 Sequential dogbox transmission sounds like that, majority don't. It makes plenty of sense to disable it, especially for road cars with transmission upgrades in a 2005 game
@@user-bp5py6bh3g but if you're having a fully adjustable close ratio racing gearbox that shifts fast and costs thousands, it's likely a sequential dogbox you're converting to.
Will this ever be released?
Better than each jgtc racecar having the same sound
Holy shit whats next? Drift physics or something? This community is insane
Any ETA man? It's been a year. What's already in the this mod, from what I've seen seems to be already amazing so I don't think people will mind getting an unfinished version?
No ETA, it just gets worked on whenever I feel motivation
@@TheAdmiesterbro this already sounds great enough to me can we have like early access version or something
I replaced GT4 engine sounds to GT3-GTC-GT4P engine sounds via GT3VOLEXTRACTOR and GT4FS through the sound folder and its subfolders; returning the sounds of the engine of the videogames GT3, GTC, GT4 Prologue to GT4 since the truth was they put horrible sounds in that game and recovering the sounds of those cars that were from GT3 to GT4P to GT4 and I feel happy for that modification
Outstanding
👀
Awesome!! I saw this in gtplanet and i have a question
I saw you talked about re creating from 0 the driving missions from 35 to 40 so I was going to ask:
Do you know how to customize timers for 1 lap magic in cheat engine? I only was able to customize missions but with always the same countdown 🙈🙈
Nah, I've never tried them in Cheat Engine, only ever in the actual data.
@@TheAdmiester oh so you know how to change them without cheat engine :o
The Cusco Advan Impreza sounds a bit like the STI Group N from DiRT 2, nevertheless I like it.
Amazing
I would pay for this.
As an obsessive car noise fan, this is a blessing. My favourite game getting the best fix it ever needed.
Now i'm interested as what you could source as a 20B.
The only 20B sound that i know of in a racing game is a mod:
ua-cam.com/video/2ndpvn1noy0/v-deo.html
And the sound source is this:
ua-cam.com/video/qSZ5BnF1CV8/v-deo.html
Which would make me ask you, could you take someone's YT video of a 20B, and use that as a sample?
I know, i know, i'ts compressed audio, and the microphone from a camera is a horrible way to capture clean audio.
But you have to admit, the Assetto Corsa 20B sound mod i quite on point!
The only 3 rotor cars in GT are the RE Asparadrink RX-7 and one or two of the fictional cars IIRC. For those in GT6 I used a UA-cam vid but was never too happy with the outcome. Horizon 5 has a good 3 rotor sound on the drift RX-8 that might be usable if recorded, dunno.
You think you could be able to change the tyre sounds?
im curious on what the zonda would sound like if they didnt use the spyker engine sound
Most likely just going to be the PGR 4 sound of the Zonda F. The variants of the Zonda in GT4 were the C12, C12S, and C12 7.3, before any of the more shouty screamy variants came along - from what I can find online, stock examples seem to have that smooth, throaty V12 note rather than anything too racecar like.
PGR3 had a really good C12 Engine sound. 2 also
I can’t imagine how much time you put into this. Did you do all the cars? I’m a sound modder myself so this is crazy. The slr sounds spot freaking on
I've done about half (320 or so) which is around 100 unique sounds so far, obviously helped a lot by the fact that GT4 has a lot of cars that share engines in real life.
The sounds are converted from other games so I don't have to go through the trouble of recording them myself, but the format for GT4 is awkward to work with so it still is a lot of work to do so many.
@@TheAdmiester you probably already know but pgr4 has some amazing sounds for you to use
@@adamrobledo684 I think I've already used one or two from it, but yeah it's a good source
@@TheAdmiester you're doing god's work man keep up, i wish you good luck
320 different sounds?! Dude you're incredible! How much more left?!
Dodge viper insane sound
Would it be possible to put these sounds on my PS2? I know this is an emulator, but I wanna see if I can put the file on it
It works on PS2 yes
I really wish it was possible to mod Gran Turismo 4 and be able to play it on real hardware.
That F1 GTR tho wow! Are some of these sounds taken from other games?
They all are, the F1 GTR in particular is taken from GT Sport's 1995 F1 GTR.
@@TheAdmiester Ahh cool! So just gran turismo games or also from other games? Like during the period of GT4, other games such as nfs most wanted also had great sounds.
Is this mod gonna be standalone or will it also be combined with your other mods like the restored cars and others? Will it support the HD retexture mod also?
from what games do you rip the sound off to be put in this mod?
Did this ever get released?
Not yet, but at some point
@@TheAdmiester ok thank you
with how poly handled gt7, I'm hoping that this would finally perfect gt4 so I would be able to totally forget the existence of 7.
Now the question: can we update the gamefiles of a ps2 gt4 copy to get those sounds working?
I've only tested on emulator so far but that's the plan.
@@TheAdmiester not an emulated gt4 game, the original ps2 game was in mind with my comment
@@Kinsanth_ That's what I'm saying. It should work fine on a real PS2, but all I've tested is on PCSX2.
@@TheAdmiester ah. And how will it be applied to the real game? 8 mb memorycard would definitely wont cut it and many users dont have the first gen ps2 either so hdd reliability is also almost out the window. Or could it be loaded via usb-stick?
@@Kinsanth_ It'll be a modded disc image, so any console that can play ripped/dumped games will be able to play it.
I have a question. How are you going to handle exhaust upgrades?
Basically most GT upgrades sounded bad in my opinion, so upgrades will sound the same as stock unless it's a particularly well known engine (e.g. RB26) where I can get good samples for different levels.
Gotcha. Thanks for answering ^^