Ep.11: Lüling's examples destroy a preserved Qur'an!
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Dr Günter Lüling's 1970's Doctoral Thesis on finding Christian hymns incorporated throughout the Qur'an has been a breakthrough research, Yet, it cost him his career as he was forced out of academia by Dr Spitaler, and into obscurity, until we got it translated into English, so that the whole world could see and read it for themselves.
According to Fred Donner, Lüling's basic argument in his thesis is that, "the Qur’ān text, as we have it today, represents a reworking by Muḥammad of earlier Christian texts that had served as liturgy in a hitherto unknown pre-Islamic Christian community in Mecca...Hellenistic Christianity, including the Christian community of Mecca, saw Jesus as divine; but Muḥammad, in Lüling’s view, clung to the older Arabian “religion of Abraham” and its concepts."
Lüling' believed, according to Donner that, "Muḥammad, in his clash with the Meccan Christians, took strophic hymns that had been used in the Christian liturgy and emended them, changing individual words and phrases in order to bring their theology in line with his own views, particularly the idea of Jesus not as God, but as a divine messenger (rasūl) in accord with the notion of his status as an angel. Lüling attempted to recover the earlier Christian teachings of these buried Christian hymns by making relatively minor adjustments to the received Qurʾan text-in effect, reversing the very emendations to these texts that, in Lüling’s view, Muḥammad himself had made." (Fred M. Donner, Al-ʿUṣūr al-Wusṭā 25, pgs.231-232, 2017)
Lüling noted 4 different periods of Qur'anic evolution:
1) 'Erstwhile Christian Tests': Because they were historically the oldest, these texts derived from pre-Islamic Christian strophic hymnody hidden in the ground layer [rasm without diacritical points and without strokes to indicate the vowels) covered up by a new opinionated Islamic reinterpretation pressed on the ambiguous rasm/ground layer.
2) 'Second Sense Qur'anic Texts': These layers of texts were a wilful new Islamic interpretation pressed on the ground layer of the erstwhile Christian strophic texts. They constitute the historically oldest one third of the transmitted Qur'anic text.
3) 'Single Sense Qur'anic Texts': These were pure Islamic texts, in that the the ground layer (rasm) had been written directly and solely for the expression of the revelations to the Prophet Muhammad.
4) 'Post-Muhammadan Qur'an Editors': These were reinterpretations of the earlier texts, in such a way that the originally intended ideas of Muhammad got totally lost, leaving a "horrible, almost incomprehensibly distorted text as a result" (Lüling, pg. 11)
According to Donner, "Lüling’s hypotheses represented a bold challenge to the traditional view of the Qur’ān and its environment held not only by Muslims, but also by Western scholars at the time, for which reason it was received with great hostility by most of the academic establishment in Germany."
What's more, Lüling’s intellectual prowess was beyond the grasp of most German scholars at that time. As Donner continues, "Lüling’s impressive erudition in Old Testament and New Testament theology, Islamic studies, and Arabic studies, combined with his keen intellect, meant that his hypotheses were often intriguing but difficult to evaluate confidently, as few people have similarly wide-ranging training in all these areas; reading his work, one often feels that one is “over one’s head” in unfamiliar technical material."
"The revolutionary nature of Lüling’s hypotheses on the Qur’ān and Islam’s origins", as Donner continues, "led fairly quickly to his being forced out of the German academic establishment, even though his dissertation had originally been supported enthusiastically by his Doktorvater and was accepted by his department with the mark of eximium opus, “extraordinary work.” Lüling’s ideas were just too threatening to certain established scholars whose work would have been overturned by it."
"His effort to submit a Habilitationsschrift or “second dissertation,” necessary to qualify for a permanent teaching position in Germany, was thwarted; a number of senior Orientalists, led apparently by the influential Prof. Anton Spitaler of Munich, blocked his efforts to find a position, and organized a virtual conspiracy of silence against him so that his work was hardly reviewed in Germany-and, since it was written in German, few foreign scholars were able readily to follow Lüling’s complex argumentation or bothered to do so." (Fred M. Donner, Al-ʿUṣūr al-Wusṭā 25, pg.232, 2017)
That was until we took his English translation and had it reworked into a more readable translation, which was initially published by the Motilal Banarsidass Publishing House in Delhi in 2003, and now, due to its popularity, newly republished in 2022, allowing many 100s to now read and enjoy his conclusions.
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How many Muslims are unwilling to pay the cost of leaving Islam even when the proof of its lies are clearly shown? The truth of Jesus Christ is expensive, and if we are not willing to pay the price, then we don't deserve him.
How many Muslims are unwilling u say.have u considered that that Abraham is a Muslim,so have you any idea how he would become an X Muslim.
NB .to jay its not Ur fault to try and show that mo does not exist ie it's not Mo's Qur'an.
i feel that mo collected and completed the Qur'an,yet some chapters I feel are from before Muhammads time,in Arabeya language ie chapter Maryam is her book and she spoke that language.
Islamic traditions has that Moses had chapter 2 verse 255 and I take that to be actual Arabeya recitation given to Moses and I take that as a fact.
i know muhammad is real,and i attach the Qur'an to him,in that, all of it came out of his mouth.
so u will not,make mo and his quran fall easily😉.
and blow Ur nose on the following.Esaya was crucified as how I understand,so suck on that ie a sweet Blackpool sweet dummy for Urself Dr Christ Jay. 👍
Sorry to burst your bubble bro. Muhammad is a myth created by the Abbasids. The Muhammad described in the Sira of Mecca didn’t exist! The Ummayads themselves didn’t become Muslim till the 690’s. Before that they were some kind of Abrahamist judeo Christians. Maybe Hanafis! Arian heretics Or Judo Christians.
are you aware of their cost for leaving Islam?
Immediate threats, both here and eternity, ostracism from family, children taken away, divorce, attacks on family and finally death.
@Forgiving Rohan show me where Muslims follow Jesus Christ Jesus Christ says the works i do you shall also do in greater than that in His name that is the Quran Jesus but not the Jesus Christ the living Son of God the Quran is man made show me Muhammad have the sign of the prophet is Muhammad a title or a man name and show me so called Muhammad real name Quran is a book that borrow christian and Jewish and other sources to make a religious book I won't even debate a book that can't prove and backup itself and all it's words the Quran need people to fight for it but the God of the Bible proved itself with signs and wonders i pray for lots of Muslims in Jesus Christ name for many things that they ask me to pray for Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forevermore God bless
Jesus says, "I am the resurrection and the life.
He who believes in me will live, even though he dies."
(John 11:25). He makes the offer of eternal life conditional on
faith in his own person. This would be blasphemous for anybody
other than God. This is an incredible claim. Does he give any
evidence for his authority to make such claims? The record
gives many details of what happened at this particular day, but
at the end we read, When he had said thisJesus called in a
loud voice, Lazarus, come out The dead mean came out, his
hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around
his face. Jesus said to them, Take off the grave clothes and
let him go. (John 11:43-44).
When you read the Gospels carefully you will find that
consistently
* Jesus talks like he is God,
* Jesus acts like he is God,
* Jesus gives evidence for claiming this authority rightfully
by performing miraculous signs.
After 3 years with his disciples we read how one of them
asks Jesus and wants to be "shown the Father (God)".
Jesus answered, "Don't you know me, Philip, even after
I have been among you such a long time?
Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. ...
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the
Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the
miracles themselves." (John 14:10-11)
I think every mosque in the world should have this Book, so the Imam can explain the origin of the verses of the Quran to his followers in his lectures.
Hahhahaha, like Muslims will accept and give sermons from a book full of false information from a liar like jay? oh please
A child can refute that book.
We need a whole new translation of the Quran into English with all this new material in it. It would also be good to have a text in the original languages including the Aramaic with what the original would have looked like. It would be useful to show it to Muslims and tell them that this is the original Quran that has not been altered. They have a thing about how the Quran was never altered.
@@alonzoharris9049 Alonzo Harris worships Muhammed (PBRB).
@@alonzoharris9049 I told you the Quran is just a Christian Jew folkstale
Just answer me who write the sleepers in the Quran
I’m living in a Muslim majority country. Since young we were told Islam is in Classical Arabic, therefore ordinary Muslims cannot understand it. Then we discovered lots of OT and NT names are in the Quran.
I concluded years ago, if there were IP rights then, Quran would not existed. 😂😂😂
The greatest opportunity to evangelise the Muslim is now, the grand harvest before the coming of our Lord Jesus.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Dude Arabic didn’t exist till the 5 th century. Everyone spoke Aramaic almost up till the 7 th century
@@preapple
What is Your evidence that Arabic did not exist until the 5 century? I hope that you did not listen to the graphic designer Thomas Alexander nonsense and have another argument. Thomas he graphic designer argument is that there was no written Arabic before the 5 century there for Arabic did not exist before the 5 century. But he forgot that native American in America left here for thousand years and had their own language yet they never developed written system, so by that logic no native Indian language exist correct? The oldest written Hebrew is the dead sea scroll around 2000 years ago,so by this logic Moses did not exist correct because he could not have written the Torah
Do you know how to recognise classical
Arabic,,?
Why don't you listen to Quran recitation
from China and Russia and the USA and
South Africa and see if it is different. See everything for yourself
Nobody taking Hellfire for you.
@@saadthal4393 . The latest discovery is Quran original language is Aramaic, language of Jesus. Oh boy. Arabic spoken in the 6th century????
@@preapple dude there basically the same language.🤣😅
Purchased the book. Can't wait to get it and read it
Me, too! Took a look at a few pages...good content!
Me too. Just to support this kind of scholarship
me also
Youll enjoy it. Really exposed the quran as a fabricated book.
Hello fellow readers. I got through the preface.
Some of the most intense sentence analysis of my life.
The 'Introduction' is where I am at.
Am brushing up on my reading & writing of Arabic.
JAY :
I want to suggest that the DASHES that we SEE at the 09:03 mark,
should be HYPHENS and read as such:
"...consonant-dots and vowel-strokes...".
- the translators wrote POINTS;
however, DOTS is the preferable term.
I have seen some refer to 'vowel-strokes' as 'dashes'
and sometimes as 'accents';
however, STROKES is the preferable term;
reasons: vowel 'accents' change vowel pronunciation
vowel 'strokes' ARE vowels.
What is so scary for Muslims is that this proves beyond all reasonable doubt that the Qur'an, even if they are pre-disposed to favour its theological arguments, is not the result of any direct revelation. Whatever taste of the divine comes through is because the Christian hymns give off that flavour even after so much layering and distortion: such is the power and beauty of the biblical words and ideas they draw from.
The more people accessing this information online or in books like Lüling’s or on #Origins will reveal the truth behind Islam. The tide is turning…
Lüling’s book is now “between my hands”…
@@tjbergren I was skimming through the book last night. What is a little frustrating is that it is so hard to extract key information, such as, what is the name of the hymn on which the surah is based. Maybe it is in there but it is lost in the details. I think there is definitely a role for someone to make a streamlined version of his book that is reader friendly, like what Odon Lafontaine did with Gallez's book. I think it would be great to find the names of those hymns as these hymns can be listened to online, sung in Aramaic.
What is a Christian?
You can’t even define what a Christian is.
@@alonzoharris9049 I know what a waste of space is.
@@IslamicOrigins
I know your games.
You call Unitarians and other groups heretics. You call them non Christian.
When you try to attack Islam. They suddenly become Christian in pre Islamic times.
I’ve never seen such a dishonest group. You are part of a group that considers lying and deception to be virtues.
I pray the Triune God continues to bless and protect you, your family, and your ministry. Everyone who takes the time to understand the information and the implications can start to speak with Muslims with confidence.
Good!! It’s a great book, very interesting. Good job Dr. Jay!
They trying to corrupt Islam with his lips
But never
That book people will read a make research with Islamic scholars
Later on many people will accept Islam
ⓂFACT: QUR'AN, THE ONE TRUE WORD OF ALLAH (THE CREATOR) ALONE, LORD OF THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE, AND WITH WHICH IS REVEALED IN ARABIC
🔲Allah (The Al-Mighty) Says:
◾"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Al-Hijr 15:9]
◾"[This is] the revelation of the Book about which there is no doubt from the Lord of the worlds."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah As-Sajdah 32:2]
◾"Indeed, it is a noble Qur'an. In a Register well-protected; None touch it except the purified. [It is] a revelation from the Lord of the worlds."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Al-Waqi'ah 56:77-80]
◾"But this is an honored Qur'an [Inscribed] in a Preserved Slate."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Al-Buruj 85:21-22]
◾"And if you are in doubt about what (the Qur’an) We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqarah 2:23]
◾"...We have sent down to you the Book (Qur’an) as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah An-Nahl 16:89]
◾"Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah An-nisa 4:82]
◾"[All] praise is [due] to Allah, who has sent down upon His Servant the Book and has not made therein any deviance."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Al-kahf 18:1]
ⓂFACT: THE QUR'AN IS REVEALED IN ARABIC
🔲Allah (The Al-Mighty) further Says:
◾"Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an that you might understand."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Yusuf 12:2]
◾"A Book whose verses have been detailed, an Arabic Qur'an for a people who know,"
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Fussilat 41:3]
◾"And thus We have revealed to you an Arabic Qur'an that you may warn the Mother of Cities [Mecca] and those around it and warn of the Day of Assembly, about which there is no doubt. A party will be in Paradise and a party in the Blaze."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Ash-Shura 42:7]
◾"And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur'an, they would have said, "Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?" Say, "It is, for those who believe, a guidance and cure." And those who do not believe - in their ears is deafness, and it is upon them blindness. Those are being called from a distant place."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Fussilat 41:44]
◾"And indeed, the Qur'an is the revelation of the Lord of the worlds. The Trustworthy Spirit has brought it down upon your heart, [O Muhammad] - that you may be of the warners - In a clear Arabic language. And indeed, it is [mentioned] in the scriptures of former peoples. And has it not been a sign to them that it is recognized by the scholars of the Children of Israel?"
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Ash-Shu'ara 26:192-197]
◾"And thus We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an and have diversified therein the warnings that perhaps they will avoid [sin] or it would cause them remembrance."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Tah 20:113]
Allah (The All-knowing) knows best!
This is what desperation looks like.
Jay, you should write a book bundling all the info you gathered for this research. I would buy it.
It would be a bundle of the worst deception
@@knightkiller329362 Nothing could be worse than the Qur'an, Q!
@@knightkiller329362 Let us be honest here, dear fellow-human, and let *truth* speak to your heart: It can hardly be ''worse'' than the bundle of Islamic text that tries to imprison your heart by teaching you such nonsense like *a baby looks like either its mum or dad depending on which one discharged first* (grade Sahih al-Bukhari 3329) leaving you to defend such foolishness as coming from an god, when deep down you know this is garbage spewed out from human ignorance; this is worse than deception, this is an insult to, and unworthy of, *human intellect* in the 21st century. Be not bitter in defending lies and deception, but become awake and free through truth and stop wasting the most important part of your life in obedience to liars.
@@knightkiller329362 Please Explain why .. When all his done ✅ is produce facts .. Facts that you can’t argue with so it hurts you.. Poor thing 🥺
how to make a quran: get a christian hymn. insert some lines about raping women.
get a christian hymn. insert some lines about killing people and stealing their stuff.
get a christian hymn. insert some lines about god wanting you to take over the world, and tell people they will get virgins.
How to make Allah's kithab (Qur'an)
*Ingredients:*
1. Allah stolen from Qureshis - 5 kg
2. Verses-fed Aisha's goat's mutton - 2kg
3. Sabean / Mandean book Ginza Rabba - 1 kg
4. Manichean/Nestorian/Mervian cult's Aramaic lectionary or Keriana (translated by Waraqah bin Nawfel / Zayd bin Thabit) - 2 handfuls
5. Christian & Jewish Apocryphas & Fairy Tales (translated by Waraqah bin Nawfel / Zayd bin Thabit) - 2 handfuls
6. Teachings stolen from Zoroastrians (includes Arda Viraf's night journey on Barag to heaven to meet his god, jinns & houries) - 1 cup
7. Jewish superstitions (5 - this must be crushed and made into puree)
8. Muhammed's hallucinations, epileptic attacks and shaytan's interventions - 5 table spoons
9. Muhammed's sexual perversion - 1 cup
10. Hatred against other religions - 4 handful thinly sliced into 4 parts.
11. Muhammad's self interest - 2 teaspoon
12. Epic of Gilgamesh - 1 teaspoon
13. Alexander Romance (about Zulqernain, Gog and Magog) - 1 teaspoon
14. Shehimo prayer stolen from Syrian Orthodox Christians - 1/2 teaspoon
15. Al Feter stolen from Harranian Sabeans - 1 teaspoon
16. Hindu Manusmrithi (purity by sand), to taste - as needed
17. Poems of Imrul Qais, to taste - as needed
18. Luqman stolen from Suwaid bin Samith Ansari after killing him (by Muhammed) - 1 teaspoon
19. Teachings stolen from Yazidis about Adam, to taste - as needed
20. Galen's fake science - 1 handful
*Preparation:* Chop Allah stolen from Qureshis and verses-fed mutton from Aisha's goat into medium size pieces. Slice Sabean Ginza Rabba into small pieces. Pour the Manichean / Nestorian cult literature Keriana and Christian /Jewish Apocrypha and Fairy Tales into it and saute. Then pour the Teachings from Zoroastrianism into it and bring to boil. Keep this aside. In another pan, fry the Talmud and Mohammad's hallucinations as well as the rest of the ingredients, except Al Feter and Shehimo prayer. Take the Syrian Orthodox Christian Shehimo prayer and make it into the *first 6 lines* of the 'Al Fatiha' and add. Now knead the above into dough and flatten it into a book form. Add Al Feter copied from the Sabeans and rename it as 'Ramdan'. Take 2270 copies of different wordings and burn all but 1. Then cut it into several pieces and place in front of a table fan. Now switch the fan at full power, ensuring all pieces are well scattered. Now turn off the fan and scoop up all the bits and bind it onto a book. Start at 96th Chapter and end at 5th Chapter, verse 3. Make 9 copies and later 71 more of different wordings.
For those of you who like dips, use never-pregnant Aisha's breast milk, whipped cream 😋, cucumber 🥒 and 7 Ajwa dates from "🌴 grown on the hillside".
The suggested drink with this dish is warm camel-urine beer: Al Lah take-beer.🍺🍻. An alternative is Muhammed's favourite alcohol Nabidh.
There you go -- now you have the most amazing spicy Qur'an for the whole mankind.
Note: For those who like a smoke after dinner, they can roll up and use the white powder (the one Aisha scrapes off Mohammad's pyjamas) as special cigar🚬.
Psst!,,,,Muhammed was made fun of by the people around him by calling him a EAR (= WITH NO BRAINS / STUPID)🤣, because he copied whatever he heard into his Quran - Quran 9.61. Also during his time, people considered Quran as copied from ancient tales - Quran 23.83.
The scribe Abdullah ibn Abu Sarh remarked "Allah, the Best of the Creators" after Muhammed explained the verse about human birth in Quran 23.14. Muhammed asked Abdullah to add it to the verse since he found it good. Abdullah left Islam saying he can also become a prophet like Muhammed if this was how Muhammed created Quran - Sirah Al Halabiyah, Vol 3, Page 90.
Fatwa #161555
*Without lies, Islam dies*
*THAQIYYA BIN ISLAM*
I think allah is stolen from the Nabateans. Qureshis or Khoreshi are later Abbasid myth making.
Well-formulated New Hopes!
ⓂFACT: QUR'AN, THE ONE TRUE WORD OF ALLAH (THE CREATOR) ALONE, LORD OF THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE, AND WITH WHICH IS REVEALED IN ARABIC
🔲Allah (The Al-Mighty) Says:
◾"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Al-Hijr 15:9]
◾"[This is] the revelation of the Book about which there is no doubt from the Lord of the worlds."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah As-Sajdah 32:2]
◾"Indeed, it is a noble Qur'an. In a Register well-protected; None touch it except the purified. [It is] a revelation from the Lord of the worlds."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Al-Waqi'ah 56:77-80]
◾"But this is an honored Qur'an [Inscribed] in a Preserved Slate."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Al-Buruj 85:21-22]
◾"And if you are in doubt about what (the Qur’an) We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqarah 2:23]
◾"...We have sent down to you the Book (Qur’an) as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah An-Nahl 16:89]
◾"Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah An-nisa 4:82]
◾"[All] praise is [due] to Allah, who has sent down upon His Servant the Book and has not made therein any deviance."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Al-kahf 18:1]
ⓂFACT: THE QUR'AN IS REVEALED IN ARABIC
🔲Allah (The Al-Mighty) further Says:
◾"Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an that you might understand."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Yusuf 12:2]
◾"A Book whose verses have been detailed, an Arabic Qur'an for a people who know,"
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Fussilat 41:3]
◾"And thus We have revealed to you an Arabic Qur'an that you may warn the Mother of Cities [Mecca] and those around it and warn of the Day of Assembly, about which there is no doubt. A party will be in Paradise and a party in the Blaze."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Ash-Shura 42:7]
◾"And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur'an, they would have said, "Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?" Say, "It is, for those who believe, a guidance and cure." And those who do not believe - in their ears is deafness, and it is upon them blindness. Those are being called from a distant place."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Fussilat 41:44]
◾"And indeed, the Qur'an is the revelation of the Lord of the worlds. The Trustworthy Spirit has brought it down upon your heart, [O Muhammad] - that you may be of the warners - In a clear Arabic language. And indeed, it is [mentioned] in the scriptures of former peoples. And has it not been a sign to them that it is recognized by the scholars of the Children of Israel?"
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Ash-Shu'ara 26:192-197]
◾"And thus We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an and have diversified therein the warnings that perhaps they will avoid [sin] or it would cause them remembrance."
[Noble Qur'an, Surah Tah 20:113]
Allah (The All-knowing) knows best!
@@StanGraham1 thanks bro. Let the whole world know the truth!!
I am going to be buying this book! Thank you, Jay! ❤
The ancient Ethiopian text still exist.
These presentations will become a measurement standards soon. God is Truth.
This channel is giving us truth about Quran.
Ha, learn English dude. Jay doesn't know anything about the Quran
@@knightkiller329362 If you're going to criticise someone else's English, first please learn to punctuate sentences properly!
Clearly, your absolute statement that Jay doesn't know _anything_ about the Qur'an is demonstrably wrong.
@@knightkiller329362 Abdul..
Who wrote the Quran,??
Many thanks for this fresh series of videos (the theme music of which has always has me imagining Al Fadi salsa dancing). Interesting to see in the video description that, according to Fred Donner, Dr Lüling believed that “Muḥammad, in his clash with the Meccan Christians, took strophic hymns that had been used in the Christian liturgy and emended them, changing individual words and phrases in order to bring their theology in line with his own views, particularly the idea of Jesus not as God, but as a divine messenger (rasūl) in accord with the notion of his status as an angel.” This appears in line with the Mishnaic theological view of the messianic angel, as described by Joe of Red Judaism (now Bei Abedan). I may be mistaken but think that one would need to understand the _panentheistic_ approach to theology (as distinct from classical theism) and the paramount position of this angel (the lesser YHVH) in Jewish Qabalah’s schema of manifest existence, to appreciate both the meaning of the position/role of this “angel” (its ‘sameness’ and/or differences in terms of doctrine or doctrinal understanding) and also to not conflate the true meaning with that of angels of the various orders.
My Ist Edition arrived today!
It’s a used copy with a bowed cover…but I’ll use it more. 😁
I asked Alonzo Harris, AaronH, generaljg.......
Me: "who wrote the quran"?
Alonzo Harris/AaronH and generaljg: "Robert Spencer".
😂😅🤣👈🏼
😂😂😂😂😂🤣😃😄😅
The Quran is recitation.🥴👍🏼
You don’t even know the difference between Quran and Mushaf.🥴🤣
@@alonzoharris9049 of course even The first racitations were so perfect because
They forgot entire surahs
And a tame sheep ate some verses!!!
@@conociendoelislam85
We have an amazing methodology.
The same Hadith of the sheep is narrated by four other people with stronger chains. They don’t have a sheep eating.
That’s why we know this Hadith is weak.
That’s the beauty of Islam. Every report is judges in it’s authenticity unlike your bible. You accept the bible blindly.
You can’t even tell me what your methodology is for the sayings of Jesus.
How do you know Jesus said something?
I'm waiting for the argument that these Christian texts were given by Allah to Muslim reverts.
10 days back i purchased this book...
@Pfanderfilms I'm reading a Dutch book now: "The controversial sources of the Islam" by Eildert Mulder and Thomas Milo.
They write about Lülling, Luxenburg, Crone, Nöldeke, Vollers.
I don't know if it is translated into other languages, but you should read it.
@Joseph No it's in Dutch. Can't find it in English. And 438 pages takes a looooong time to translate.
@Joseph Haha. It covers a lot of topics Jay is talking about in his channel. I'll keep a copy for you untill you finish studying Dutch :-)
@@hebrews1112 is it in spanish too?
@@conociendoelislam85 I wish. It's really interesting stuf
Please, could you share with us the ISBN of your book? Thank you!
I have been critical of you at times, Dr. Jay Smith, but this is an excellent exploration of Günter Lüling's brilliant book! I'm glad that like many others, having bought the book, it has been granted a new edition. I just hope that the quality of the binding has been improved along with the cover: I had to glue the pages back onto the spine, because they became detached during my reading of it.
It's made in india!
@@mujtabashah3667 Yes lol. I know. I'm very happy to help support Indian publishing. I just hope that the quality improves, especially because it is an expensive book.
@@gavinjames1145
Can you give an example of an ‘Aramaic’ word from the book?
@@alonzoharris9049 I have beside me Arthur Jeffrey's book, _The Foreign Vocabulary of the Qur'an_ , from which I could pull dozens of examples of Aramaic words on the Qur'an. But, oh! There's one example right there! Qur'an is an Aramaic word!!!
@@gavinjames1145
Just give me one example. Use one example of Arthur Jeffrey’s.
Quran is not an Aramaic word. It’s an Arabic word. The root ق ر ء exists in the Arabic language. It’s well attested in Pre Islamic Arabic inscriptions.
The word Iqra is also in the Quran.
Make sure you know what you are talking about.
How/where to purchase the 2022 reprint? It's not listed on the publisher's website..?
Hi Jay. Thank you for such highly relevant videos on Quranic studies
How can expect truth from a man like Jay?
@@knightkiller329362 Even a broken clock is correct two times each day!
@@gavinjames1145 What?! So you accept that Jay is a pathological liar 98% of the time but you still believe him? Great logic there
@@knightkiller329362 I have indeed accused Dr. Jay Smith of lying. But it is not logical, or even reasonable, to assume that everything Jay says is untrue. That's just stupid to suggest such a thing!
If Jay Smith says something which is verifiably true, then I am happy to accept that truth.
Have you ever lied, Q?
@@gavinjames1145
Let’s be real. Jay Smith is a notorious liar. Propaganda is his goal.
He even admits it. His whole goal is ‘to destroy Islam’.
He even admitted on video to pretend to be a Muslim in Senegal to try to convert Muslims to Christianity.
He is a typical Evangelical. This whole movement thrives on deception and manipulation.
They do the same thing to Jews. They pretend to be Jews to convert Jews to Christianity.
It’s the only religion that uses these kind of deception tactics. They even have special training courses for this deception.
Thank you Dr. Jay Smith for every little biblical information you provide for all Christians. God Bless.
Excellent stuff Dr J Smith👍
Sadly many moderately devout Muslims will never evaluation any text, nor listen to textual criticisms which their Iman does not endorse
Proud of these German scholars, that our first Christian fathers did 1000 of years ago, giving Christians the enormous flexibility and the adaptability of our, sometimes so demeaned Religion. But then our Christian Religion is for the humans and not the humans for Religion.. .. ..
If a personality called Muhammad actually existed and seeked asylum from the Abyssinian kingdom, then it’s right to say he got their text while he was there. Or from his Ethiopian slaves.
Good point! Some Muslims got protection or were protected by the Abyssinians but the Lying Muslims would never admit that their Superman got asylum!
The problem with your argument is that those Ethiopian slaves were not Christians, but polytheists. Ethiopia occupied Yemen in 516Ad and Ethiopia was Christians and they tried to spread Christianity in Yemen. But by 575 AD a Yemeni kind defeated and drove the Ethiopians out of Yemen and there were some Ethiopians who fall as prisoners and later were solid as slaves all over the Arabian peninsula. Those Ethiopians slaves sure were Christians or had at least some form of christian belief,but since they were scattered all over the the Arabia peninsula and then their children and their children children by the time of Prophet Muhammad started preaching those Ethiopians slaves most likely forgot all about Christianity and became like their Arab masters just polytheists. It is almost impossible to believe that those slaves which by the time of prophet Muhammad were the third or the fourth generation know anything about Christianity even remotely.
@@mahmoodali1533
Says who you ??? Or who ha? you think this really happened do you ?
@@mahmoodali1533
Can you tell me how waricka became jebril in your so called holey book as it's baffling me ie this means from inception your whole thing is 1 massive joke ? Literally ? Speak up man let's go
@@mahmoodali1533
Speak up man don't swear cos yt block them ha? or you running ha? why would you write so many untruths ha? and an essay of it at that ha? don't you realise there's no stopping this frieght train it has no brakes and guess what's in front of it's path ??? I'll give you 1 guess 🤤🤤🤤
Great Series Dr Jay. Love how you and others are exposing Islam. But seriously you need a Bigger Bookcase..😉
Fake christians like jay have one only one purpose in life; to sway people from the truth i.e. Islam
All my students know that the books which are standing sideways (i.e. vertical), which is normal, I'm not using at the moment, whereas the ones laying down (i.e. horizontal) are the ones I'm researching and employing in my videos. Those you can see the titles better, so that others can then order them.
@@pfanderfilms fair play.. And thank you for doing a great job 👏.. It’s much appreciated, I’ve learned so much from you..
I just bought my copy… Im so glad you recommended it. Im excited to get it.
Jay, If this book was so good, i think they must issue it on bahasa indonesia , since the population is 270+35 millions (indonesia+malaysia).
We need translators that are good, honest and courageous.
Ya, amat setuju
Oy, there's no dearth of toilet paper in Indonesia.
This book is one hell of a dense read, but it's worth it for sure. I can't wait to tackle Luxenburg as well!
Thank you Sir @Dr Jay! I have the 2nd Edition! It’s Great!🙏🌹🙏
Ordered the book. Thanks Jay.
First category 400 - 550 and second category 550-690. Third category 690-750. Fourth category 750-850
Love the spicy intro music!
Don't think I've ever heard you explain what type of text chapter two to five or six is about. The teacher/student lecturing text.
Great video and Information. Thank you for all of your work. Sir, where are these books available? Currently, Amazon does not list these titles.
Could you translate some main work in Spanish about the Arabian so called conquest of Spain. Tomas Alexander would know the best to translate. I think is very important to debunk this conquest narrative and spread it to the English speaking world.
@ Dr Jay Smith . Can you please do a lecture of the 20 corrections of the qu’ran by Daniel Brubaker. I’ve brought the book would be nice to understand it much better? thank you .
Lüling was a Christian monotheist.
For him, the Trinity and divinity of Jesus were unbiblical.
He initially studied Protestant theology. After graduating, he refused to take an oath to the triune God and therefore did not receive his doctorate.
I just checked it out on amazon, and I see the new copy. It's 45 euros brother Jay. ❤
According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really an ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. He has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh).
By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. -04-27-23
Thanks and God bless you Dr Jay for the key tipsto Gunter Luling's book ..The equation is simple as you have always said The man ( 7th century) the Book ( Redaction from the 10th century to the 7th century that overlaid the Aramaic texts) and finally the place( Mecca) ...so Man, Book, and Place in perfect harmony like the ivory and ebony keys on my piano keyboard, but now with the brilliant Gunter, Christoph, and Sawma the keys are not in harmony any more...
JAY :
I want to suggest that the DASHES that we SEE at the 09:03 mark,
should be HYPHENS and read as such:
"...consonant-dots and vowel-strokes...".
- the translators wrote POINTS;
however, DOTS is the preferable term.
I have seen some refer
to 'vowel-strokes' as 'dashes'
and sometimes as 'accents';
_ however, might STROKES be
the preferable term?
reasons:
_ vowel 'accents' change
vowel pronunciation
_ vowel 'strokes' ARE vowels.
p.s. c.f. Lüling, INTRO p.13, lines 30-31.
Alonzo believes she’s Wonder Woman
According to a recent video from CIRA, Muslims worship two gods, Allah & Mohammad. So Alonzo Harris may not like it but he worships two gods.
Are the Birmingham folios part of the original Quran with antecedents in syro-aramaic and Ethiopic literature?
Jay, how about getting the lexical text be sung? 😀
Is there any way transcripts can be provided for these discussions?
Great job Dr Jay.
Muslims……..come out and face the challenge, it’s your chance lol.
God bless Dr Jay
There is no challenge. A child can refute this apologist book.
Where can I buy the book from a reliable source and through a secure transaction? I am having trouble finding it
At Amazon Germany.
Great job like always! Dr, Smith…. Now have you explored the possibility of the Kufans Arabs could possibly be Jews? How about the Abbasids? Because it seems to me that while the Jews were in Babylonia Persia they wrote the Talmud, could be possible that another faction were writing a competing ideology? The Babylonian Talmud was supposedly written on the 5th Century so perhaps another faction tried to come up with a different version of an Arab Talmud anywhere from the 6th to the 9th Century? Or anti Trinitarian Christian Arab Jews?
Why don’t you call trinitarians ‘anti uniterians’?
Why are all your theories centred around the trinity?🥴🤣
@@alonzoharris9049
Because apparently you are an ignorant fool! Don’t you know history!? The Byzantine, New Roman Emperor Constantine, subpoenaed all clerics, Christian scholars, clerics, monks etc to the Council of Nicaea where DEMOCRATICALLY he demanded a vote to STANDARDIZE Christianity so the Empire would adopt the MAJORITY Consensus. Over 300 vs less than a dozens voted for the Trinity. After that the SOUR LOSERS kept preaching their own beliefs which then, became ILEGAL. He was trying and got a COHESIVE Christian movement! The ones who practiced any other believe were render heretics and the Nestorians and other Anti Trinitarian who were the MINORITY got exiled to Persia and to Babylonia which was a de facto colony of Persia. Remember, Persia took the rebellious Jews and anti Trinitarian Christians IN.
The real Prophet who’s name was not Muhammad was a Interim Governor of Kufa and he was originally an Arab Jew working for the Sassanid or Persian empire! That Jew attacked Jerusalem to restore the Jewish temple using Arab fighters. In Jerusalem he met Lord Gabriel, a Christian monk who converted that WANNABE the Messiah to Christianity! Of course, the Abbasids, when they made up Islam and the word Muslims, they needed a Superman to compete with the Christians and the Jews, so they Man Made a Superhero called Muhammad based on Legends of about 4 Muslims caliphs in one!
How can we get it in different languages(your discovery)
Thank you...RESPECT FOR the TRUTH
Let us bless the Lord, thanks be to God, Jesus's prophecies have come true in the case of the Qur'an. WHAT IS COVERED UP WILL BE UNCOVERED, WHAT IS SAID OR DONE IN SECRECY WILL BE Proclaimed on the roof tops.
Jesus you Almighty GOD, all things shall pass away but you words shall not pass away. Only God can say that.
You know what my friends there is God and satan or truth and lies. To human logic,what comes from God is truth and what from Satan is lies How can the Bible and the Qur'an to be claimed from God or truth when their teachings contradicts the other? Which of the two comes from God? Which one of the two is truth? One has to be the liar and the other has to be the truth. Have your say.
To me, the words of Jesus serves it all, as it is written in JOHN18 verse 37b.FOR THIS PURPOSE I WAS BORN AND FOR THIS PURPOSE I HAVE COME INTO THE WORLD - TO BEAR WITNESS TO THE TRUTH.
GOD'S people beware, the Qur'an is the liar coz it comes from a false god Allah.
Even a trillion men joined together and plan against Allah,the creator of all universes,all creatures,they are no match to his power. They are planning, Allah is also planning, and Allah is the best planner 🙂
If your god is planning it means having to work out a way.
Oh dear!
The darkness of Fake religion of anti-trinity has now brought into the Light by the Devine Trinity 👋👋👋👍
Haha, that SIN sifter in the backbround.
Dear Dr Jay Smith. Did you ever heard the german Ü sound ?
My apologies for mispronouncing Luling's name. Dr Kerr and Thomas Alexander, both German speakers, both pronounced it as I have, so I assumed I was correct. Tell me how I should pronounce it.
Pahayag o Apocalipsis 20:4. Revelation 20:12. Isaiah 34:16-17. Hebrew 4:12. Job 40:18-19.
Brothers, How can I get luling's pdf book ?
You have forgot one important thing to discuss with the people who are hafez( who learnt Quran by heart) , if you talk to 100s of hafezs your eyes will be opened how it was actually preserved.
Proverbs 9:13-18. TURN AWAY FROM FOLLY. PROVERBS 5:21-23. Isaiah 2:22. Job 40:7-9. Hebrew 4:12.
Amazing how many people are interested in the sources of Islam.
Lüling's story is a shame for my country.
I bought the book!
Gunther Luling is enjoying a high place in heaven. Jesus promised that if we suffer persecution for His name's sake, we will be richly rewarded.
Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for my name's sake. Rejoice and be exceeding glad for GREAT is your reward in heaven.
The good work that he has done will spring to his benefit eternally. Like the apostle Paul, his work will pay dividends COMPOUNDED over millennia.
May he RIP. Günter Lüling deserves a memorial and a school named after him!
@Forgiving Rohan - Yes, if Jesus was lying.
Why would The Qur'an need a reformation? It's complete as It is.. 🙄🤷
There was no example in this video, you should explain one of the examples or change the title.
Wow that is nice my mom will be happy to
Read that book I am
Gonna order them today
Can you write a summary comment as a comment under the videos? Non-English speakers can translate and read
Where can I buy it?
Exact reference to the original coptic and Ethiopian christian text and the corresponding Quranic verses would be fascinating.
That will help us to articulate and argue well with the misguided.
It's all sourced in their books. I don't have the space to do that here.
Why don't you make an interview with Stephen J shoemaker, ??
He has written very controversial book recently named "Creating Quran ".
What is the translation called?
dr jay smith is a wealth of knowledge
Thank you..
Link to purchase it
Then who is the one in Medinah people vist every year????
I am REALLY looking forward to hearing some of the original hymns and homilies from which the Quran was derived. The Coptic (Egyptian) church teaches that Jesus was not divine (and so, an easy blending with Islam). Other than that, they seem to track with what the Catholic religion teaches - papacy, transubstantiation, the special priesthood, confession, infant baptism, (all the other sacraments). It teaches a works based plan of salvation (vis-a-vis James, the brother of Jesus). They practice saint worship (especially Mary).
So it will be very interesting to hear the original hymns to an ALMOST Christian god (almost but not).
You are wrong about the Coptic church not regarding Christ as divine -they do -but they believe he only had one nature which is termed monophysitism which is in contrast to the decree of council of Calchedon that taught he has two -that is why this denomination alongside the Ethiopians and Armenians etc are termed Non-Calchedonian churches!
@@kaloarepo288 - There's PLENTY wrong with that denomination. It's Catholicism without all the gold or whatever. It's the same Roman paganism, tho - IN THE NAME OF JESUS! As if that will sanctify it.
@@GizmoFromPizmo Stop besmirching a group of people who have clung so fervently to their faith despite 1500 years of repression and persecution -you should be ashamed of yourself with your bible babble and narrow views.I supposed you are from one of those made in America cults that have no record of apostolic succession or anything like that and can do nothing but be uncharitable to others!
What source does Dr Jay thinks this verse from the Quran came from?
Surah Bayyinah
" The People of the Book were not divided until the clear evidence came to them.....,"
Clear evidence meaning the Quran.
In the tenth century the entire Christian
world were united under a single leader or Pope. The entire non-muslim world was Catholic. The non - Catholic Christians live under Muslim rule .They
were Ethiopian Orthodox Church who
sheltered the prophet Muhammad peace be unto him from the Pagan, the Syrian coptic,Moroni. There were no adventist,
Evangelical. Pentecostal ,Baptist.
In the eleventh century the Catholic Church proposed two things
1. They wanted to make Jesus peace be unto him equal to the Father and both above the Holy spirit. The Father was always above Jesus and the Holy spirit in the Trinity. After all He SENDS both of them so they are His servants .Eastern nations did not agree. The Catholic Church split into Eastern Orthodox and Western Church.
2. They wanted to change what was in the Gospel accounts
" Hail Mary full of grace...." was changed to " Hail Mary mother of God...."
The Eastern Church split from the Western Church and NEVER came back
despite the strenuous efforts of Pope John Paul.
The war between Russia and Ukraine has its roots in this split. See Putin' s
last speech.
The Jews split into Orthodox Jews and
Reformed Jews .These are two different countries within Israel. The Orthodox Jews says that the Zionist state is blasphemous because only the Messiah
can found the state of ISRAEL.
How did the Prophet Muhammad peace be unto him know all this?
Which ancient Aramaic manuscript?
Under Supervision of Caliph Uthman bin Affan
As Islam began to spread throughout the Arabian peninsula, more and more people entered the fold of Islam from as far away as Persia and Byzantine. Many of these new Muslims were not native Arabic speakers, or they spoke a slightly different Arabic pronunciation from the tribes in Makkah and Madinah. People began to dispute about which pronunciations were most correct. Caliph Uthman bin Affan took charge of ensuring that the recitation of the Quran is a standard pronunciation.
The first step was to borrow the original, compiled copy of the Quran from Hafsah. A committee of early Muslim scribes was tasked with making transcripts of the original copy and ensuring the sequence of the chapters (surahs). When these perfect copies had been completed, Uthman bin Affan ordered all remaining transcripts to be destroyed, so that all copies of the Quran were uniform in script.
All Qurans available in the world today are exactly identical to the Uthmani version, which was completed less than twenty years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (saw).
Later, some minor improvements were made in the Arabic script (adding dots and diacritical marks), to make it easier for non-Arabs to read. However, the text of the Quran has remained the same.
No "sane person" joins Islam. The people who joined Islam were forced to under pain of death.
Allah appears to be a plagiarist..
It seems the evidence is building up to confirm an original Aramaic source for at least a third of the Qur'an, if I understand all this up until now. I can see how the change of diacritical marks on a tri-lateral Arabic root can change the meaning drastically but I would really liketo see this demonstrated in one particular case. I accepted the idea that a Muslim martyr was guaranteed 72 virgins in paradise but then we are told that this particular word really refers to grapes when the diacritical marks are changed. Given the other background evidence the grape interpretation would appear to make sense but such a tremendous change in meaning puts a lot of weight on only one word. I would like to see a demonstration to show exactly what rearrangement of dots and vowels actually changes the meaning of one single word from houris (= 72 virgins) to grapes. Or have I got it all wrong? Thank you.
It's all there in both Luxenberg's and Sawma's books, with the actual texts for you to see and compare. Just buy the books, as I can't reproduce it adequately here on UA-cam.
You can change the diacritical marks in the OT. They were added in the 10th century. That’s 300 years after the Quran.
You can do these magic tricks with any text.
The Quran is written in Arabic and not in Aramaic.
@@alonzoharris9049 You missed the whole point of this video. About a third of the Quran was originally Aramaic. It was then translated into Arabic with varying degrees of success. Sometimes the Arabic does not make sense until you retranslate it back into Aramaic to find out what it originally meant. You have to do that because a third of it was clearly originally Aramaic. We know it was originally Aramaic because it makes sense when we translate it back to Aramaic. About a quaret of the Quran does not make sense in Arabic. This is well known. Look at other videos on this subject by Jay.
@@bobgriffin316
I didn’t miss the point. It’s all nonsense.
All words in the Quran are Arabic. There is no Aramaic word in the Quran.
It’s just a wild theory with no evidence.
I can make this claim about any book for text. It doesn’t make it true.
The Quran has always been understood.
The Quran is a guidance for people. It teaches the oneness of god. It’s more clear in the oneness of god than the bible or any other book.
You don’t get a trinity or Jesus is god with your wild theory.
That’s your theological motivations to come up with these absurd theories.
‘It must have been Christian. It must have been from Christianity. Because Christianity is true.’
@@bobgriffin316
GIVE US SOME EXAMPLES
1) About a third of the Quran was originally Aramaic
2) About a quaret of the Quran does not make sense in Arabic.
We're not like Christianity. Reformed and adjusted so many times.
RULE NUMBER ONE: There is absolutely no text , nor book , nor manuscripts (at all)...that remained in man's hands for a long period , and has not been modificated or corrupted (for personal , political or cultish... purposes).
Prof Gabriel Sauma is an amazing researcher , but Christoph Luxemberg is a whole eminence in semitic languages..
Perhaps Mr لaч Smith could impress someone , speeching with a bookshelf behind him...(it's a beautiful bookshelf by the way) but I have to say it , it an emקty video , zeяø information...
!! the aramaic in the Quran...the Syriac in the Quran..!! ; So what..!! the arabic is nothing but the ultimate aramaic's evolution , the arabic , is the aramaic , the hebrew (ancient) is aramaic. It's true that some words or pronounciacion differs from one languages to another , what make the stυקid mυs.lim bearded preachers occasionally come with an exorbitant and distorted explanation to some verses (example , the white grapes transformed to a beautiful wide pearled eyes women)
Must be known as well that the writing (alphabet) is not the synonym of "language" , the alphabet is a set , a collection of symbols to identify "that" sound from "this" sound..
The first arabic inscriptions was found in carved stones South Damascus called "Umm al لimmal inscription" dated to 25o † (anyone can check it by himself)..but not as they pretend that arabic scriptures are a pro Islamic language..
Channel recommendation: Islam - what they don't tell you.
Otra vez me lo perdí
Lebanon...maronite....we know this from eternity... we r the syriac
Luling - Unfounded baseless Bogus claim.
Publishing Misleading propaganda book doesn't. mean or prove anything.
ISRAEL AND THE PAGAN NATIONS
Paul(Rom. 9 to 11)
The Qur'an in the Qur'an(Reminder) refers to the Law of Moses. If anyone couldn't figure out that the title Qur'an on the cover of the book is a fraudulent one, then it is safe to argue that, that person doesn't understand the polemical exchanges between the pagans and the believers not even the content of the Bible for that matter.
"We have given you the 7 oft-repeated verses and the glorious Qur'an..."
Translation:
We have given you the Fatiha and the Law of Moses as the basis for your legislations in rejection of the Roman Law, the papal sacraments, and Trinity.
Here is another one:
"What! If this Qur'an is from God you believe not but a Rabbi among the Children of Israel attests to its similitude and believe while you proudly reject it..."
Does this look like some words from God? What was the Rabbi doing in Mekka messing with Allah's revelation? LOL...
Or was he just comparing two translations of the same Torah, one in Hebrew and the other in Arabic?
The dude was a Prince-Legislator, a Founding Father, and a statesman.
"And the stone rejected and exiled by the Mekkan builders had become the cornerstone; it's our Lord doing.!!"
FALSE REPELLENT
Jesus is Muhammad(the Praised-One), fools. A point was made but you guys missed it altogether due your poor reading skills.
But the adults and the Sufis in the room know that Muhammad is not a given or personal name but a substitute title, a euphemism for Christ/Messiah. Since Jesus is said to be that Christ, then Jesus is Muhammad.
We make the difference between Islam and the Arab-Qureishites propaganda contained in the Hadiths, and the "Sira Rassul Allah," etc...
That marketing gimmick was meant to capitalize on the pilgrimage to Mekka and not as historical facts. Kaabahism therefore is not Islam!
For the "stone that the Mekkan builders rejected and exiled had become the cornerstone..." and it is our Lord doing.
We also know that when someone promulgates a Constitution like the Constitution of Medina, receives embassies, passes legislations, proclaims a tax Codes, raises armies, signs treaties, etc... with some neighborhood nations, etc..., that person is in a role of a Founding Father like George Washington, Emperor Constantine, Cyrus the Great, Caesar Augustus or Alexander the Great, etc... We don't take the word "Prophet" in the literal sense.
So, If you have ever wondered why a substitute title was needed for Jesus and a name shifting for the Arabian Founding Father, here you have it:
"Your people don't want to hear about Jesus. And when His name is mentioned, lo! your people burst into clamor thereby..."
That is why an OPTICAL ILLUSION was created:
We(the Children of Israel) send you, O Abu Quasim, among your own people so that they may believe in our God and His Messiah/Muhammad/Christ/Al-Massih, help Him, praise Him(Muhammad=the Praised-One), sing for Him evening and morning...."
"Remember when Jesus asked, "who will assist me in the way of God? The disciples replied: 'we shall be the helpers of God. Bear witness we are Muslims.'"
By the way, According to Acts 11:26 is a Christian he who believes Jesus to be the Messiah, that is to say Christ, foretold by Moses in the Torah but rejected by Israel.
"I will send the Christ/Messiah, a Prophet/Messenger like you Moses, Him, they must listen...." Deut.18:15-19; Acts 3:22-25; Acts 7 ; John 4:24-26, etc...
The word CHRISTIAN was coined in Antioch of Syria and not in Athens, Rome, or Boston.
In that sense, Muslims are Christians because for Islam Jesus is the Christ announced in the Law and the Prophets, born of the Virgin Mary. You may as well check the Transfiguration in Matthew 17:1-13 where Jesus "oversees" a meeting between Moses the Lawgiver and someone who would ratify the same Law for the Arabs(the descendants of Ishmael). In Genesis, Abraham was promised many Princes for Ishmael.
So the Muslims are Christians certainly not of Paul's Tradition, yet still Christians but the Americans are not...
Every American should know, then, that If Jesus is Lord, it stands to reason that Nature's god is NOT.
Yet, Nature's god in the Jefferson Bible and in the so-called 'Declaration Of Independence" claims just that...
And this is the official position of the American government because Thomas Jefferson was the 3rd President of the United States and is the one who penned the so-called "declaration of independence" which became the Law of the land in the Constitution.
Nature's god in the Jefferson Bible inspired the "Bill Of rights" and specially the First Amendment which states that every religion under nature is as valid as the next; this is why polytheism and Idol worship enjoy special protection under Natural Law which pushed out Canonical Law or Sharia Law.
Nature's god states that Jesus did not resurrect because there is no such thing as resurrection of the dead; men die and worms take care of their bodies and that, most surely, wild dogs took care of Jesus' body.
Nature's god claims that there is no supernatural, no miracles, no virginal birth, no revealed Law since Laws are a construct of societies and each society makes its own laws in accordance with its need.
That the Ten Commandments were not revealed and are no better than the Law of Hammurabi.
For Thomas Jefferson, the Apostle of Nature's god, Nature's god instituted government on earth to distribute rights without responsibility: right to liberty from morality, right to pursue happiness, happiness for all(We wonder how government will enforce happiness which is not a tangible good), and right to life...
Paul, Jesus-Christ's Apostle to the "Pax Romana," on other hand instructed us that Government was instituted on earth by God to keep order, render Justice for the equality of the Children of God in view of the Last Judgment.
Nature's god insists that Life stops here and that there is NO immortality: "Let's eat and drink for tomorrow we die, and nothing awaits us after death. Don't be missing out..."
Jesus said man was born corrupted and can purify himself with the means God put at his disposal.
Nature's god however holds that man was born perfect but got corrupted by government.
We wonder If all the jails built across their lands are only for members of government.
Nature's god is truly Satan who set out to contradict the True God on every single line!
So If you are an American you should worry about the subversive nature of the American founding documents, America's Nature's god, and the fate of your impious founding fathers who worked hard to mislead mankind away from the Gospel.
Enough of that circular reasoning.
Please worry not about Islam; it has been around for more than 1000 years. I am just wondering If America would be around that long...!!! Worry about the disastrous fate of America, that house built in the sand...!!!
Unless, The grace of God Almighty s
I think sometimes we wrongly give credence to the quran by comparing it with the Bible. All this scholarly work by Jay shows that the quran is a sham that is meant to misdirect people away from Jesus Christ. Thanks Jay, we really appreciate these programs, they really help us when we engage with Muslims.
For over 1400 years since there have been a lot of people like both of you who desperately been trying to find faults with the Quran but to no avail.
The Quran is a miracle. It is Allah SWT's words verbatim.
Revealed to Prophet Muhamad SAW in Arabic through Gabriel AS. Today it has been memorised by over 200m Muslims worldwide.
Both of you might be intelligent. But Allah SWT has already sealed your mind, heart, eyes and ears to find the ultimate Truth. You shall remain in darkness and in astray.
🙂👍
some Scholars 70 % of the Koran from the Bible
wow 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Saint Ephrim Koran Christian poems
Ephrim, Mevlana and Augustine were Manicheans to name a few.
The list of examples???
There is no example with Aramaic texts in this book!
Only talk about Arabic text! … Early Christian Arabic text! … No Aramaic!
You never read the book! ... Go page 52, the first example, tell me in which line I can find Aramaic text!
long detailed videos like this are good.. but if as your title says , it destroyed a quran then do a 2min-(5min max!) video summarising it! Maybe try writing out the transcript so you can make it a short video without waffling!)
The outline of my videos are always in the description box above. You can either watch the video (which you don't have time to do), or simply read the description of its content in the description box. It's that simple...
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You are twisting the facts.
Where are the original scriptures of the gospels ?
There are so many cracks and holes in the Christian bible.
Even you have changed
many phrases in the old testament to suit the Christian beliefs.
Don't ask me to elaborate. Why don't you ask the Jewish scholars and they will tell you of the many differences between the translations
if the old testament and their Hebrew ones.
Changes of words change the meanings to the extent that it directly corrupts the original meanings.
In Qur'an the dialects did not change the meanings because it is the same language and I am sure that you know that but won't admit it because it will not serve your worldly interests.
How many books are in the Catholic bible and how many are in the Protestant bible ?
Are you Catholics or Protestants or Orthodox or Presibetarian or Jehovas witnesses or Mormons or Egyptian Coptic or maybe the Unitarian church in the U.S. ?
I can expose you at any time just as your teacher Zakaria Botros and his friend Hamami have been several times and the games and acts that they perform. Can you believe it that ex-Coptic priests have exposed them and also the enmity between the Coptic church and the Protestant church in Egypt.
Do you remember the conflict between the Catholics and Anglicans in North Ireland ?
Do you know anything of the Renaissance and the conflicts between the Catholic church and the Protestant church.
Do you remember the deeds of forgiveness that the Vatican used to issue for money in the dark ages. Do you know of the Catholic clergy in several countries in the East and West who committed child abuse and the Popes had to apologize to the victims and their relatives.
Jamal Baraja.
All your jive still do not make moHARAMed a prophet. 💩
Or make islam a true religion. 🤣
Pietermartizburg KZN South Africa 🌍 🐮
Islam doesn't need reformations. Christianity need one because you can't even solve the mystery of 1+1+1=1 🤣